Why are there no good space opera games?
Mass Effect 1, and (so I hear) KOTOR.
some space rpgs where you can fuck robots would be fun. we need another binary domain.
>>729697727Infinite space is exactly what you are looking for.
i think its time to rewatch BSG, its been like 15 years
>>729697727Pretentious. It insists upon itself.
>>729698197It's my favorite space whatever.I don't do star trek too well, and Star Wars is hit or miss, but BSG is great.
>>729697727this show really jumped the shark
>>729697727Because as soon as you mention a game idea for visiting different places in space you'll have a dozen retards going>yooo what if you had a space ship and you could go like trucking from place to place IN SPACEand then you make 50th shitty Freelancer clone nobody wants to actually play
>>729697727Mass effect, Xenosaga, rogue galaxy, outer worlds 2
>>729697727I'll have a "Halo: Combat Evolved" togo, please
>>729698910there are a lot of Freelancer clones?can you name any decent ones? I've missed Freenlancer
>its a Fat Lee episode
>>729698910BSG is all, "what if terrorism, but space." Imagine being lost in the middle of bumfucknowhere, and at any moment, your entire life could come crashing down due to mass panic, food shortages, or artificial scarcity.
>>729698194Based. I wish we got an update because the DS' graphics did not do the ships justice.>>729697727I'll shill Sunrider because it's free and fun
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space is fake and gay
>>729697727>good space opera gamesThat's literally what Mass Effect was before the original writer left after ME2Play ME1 and ME2, and pretend the rest of the franchise doesn't exist
how did boomerlenials stand this shit? its so boring, couldnt make it past the second season
>>729700221You have ADHD
>>729700221You have low T if you can't see the romance of exploring space.
>>729698197I have fond memories of watching BSG,Lost and 24 from back then. Great era of tv>>729698723Blake's 7 is fantastic if you can tolerate bad special effects.
>>729700542maybe>>729700583i love space and space games and media but star wars, star trek, bsg are all complete dogshit i dont know how they did it and how hard they tried to push this shit on new generations of kids. horrible
>>729698018subverse
>>729697727rai7
>>729697727its called starfield
>>729697727BEHOLD
>>729701269That one was lame and gay.>>729701315Great taste on the otherhand.
gimme some good space opera books
>>729701569>The Last Cope
>>729702036(WHOOSHING)
>>729698197I miss when shows were able to tell a story and end gracefully.
>>729702196So not BSG.
>>729702365>i didn't like the ending so it's bad
>>729697727>mfw I’ll never get a Star Trek-like ships/species with Elite Dangerous-like space travel game
>>729702656maybe star citizen will have an aliens update in 20 years
>>729700740true. lotgh mogs this unclsop.
Freelancer was good.
>>729697727Xenosaga
Hard scifi > space opera
>>729702656FTL is a very simplified version of Star Trek.
>>729697727Xenosaga.Wish more sci-fi JRPGs actually used Space as a significant part of the setting instead of just hopping from planet to planet.
>>729697727People are too obsessed with muh hard scifi these days where aliens and ftl are too "unrealistic" now which is why all we get is bland shite like Starfield, Expanse and Exodus.
>>729703078>Hard scifiwhat good hard scifi games and tv shows do we have?
>>729703078Hard scifi gets too mired in pseudo science babble instead of letting that stuff stay in fluff materials.
>>729701613yeah, truebecause fucking robots is gay and lame
>>729703270Expanse and For All Mankind for tv, Revelation Space series for books.
>>729703078Hard sci-fi has the problem of the fact that there's no room for humans in space.
>>72969772733 year old game, never been topped.
>>729703417>expanseby season two things might as well be considered magic
>>729703184>Expanse>Blandda bel-ahs won' stan fo' an in-salt loik dat
>>729702492NTA but the writers' strike really cucked shows like Heroes, Lost and BSG hard.
>>729697727>We need to murder all humans before they destroy us>Erm, whoopsies... trying to kill all humans may have been a mistake after all
>>729703507basically an alpha version of mass effect 2
>>729703656Nah ME could've been a modern take on SC2 if it leaned into planet exploration more with the second game but instead it went hard on the narrative aspect instead, sigh what could've been, thats why ME1 is still my favorite of the series.
>>729703602i really don't think BSG got hit by the strike at all. maybe it floundered a little post-reveal of the cylons, but i think it had more to to with changing the focus of the narrative than bad writing. it stabilized once the transition from the opening arc to the closing arc was done.i think most of the hate comes from the final bit about earth which really just comes down to personal preference
>>729703752planet exploration in ME1 was kinda ass to be honest. shifting focus from auto-generated worlds to human-made content was the right call.
>>729703078>only humans because ayys are too far away and if they're included they're some octopus looking shit because humanoid ayys is too unrealistic >takes a bazillion years to get anywhere because no FTL so everything just takes place in one solar system>everyone lives on space habitats or under atmospheric domes because earth like planets are too rare, far away and technically wouldn't support human life anyway because they don't have the exact level of oxygen and gravity we need >no epic space battles because they're also unrealisticnah its shit
>>729703507>>729703656>>729703752>>729703992
>>729698197I want to watch it but the schizo guy with the red waifu filters me every time
>>729704072That's just hard sci-fi through the lens of a dying civilization so morally corrupt they're more concerned with the appearance of it than actually having any. There's simple solutions to all those problems but they'd rock the status quo so much one can't really envision them ever happening until after civilization recovers from total nuclear war and the gay retards are all gone.
>>729703078Hard scifi = pretending the space magic makes any sense.
>>729703078you can have both
>>729702196>BSG>ending gracefullyYou can just say ending.If the internet was as popular back then as it is today those writers would've got the same treatment as Game of Thrones.
>>729698194I was trying to remember the name of this game to disprove the OP, niceIt came apart a little at the end but otherwise it was phenomenal. I really don't know why the game needed to make the MC fuck his sister that badly
>the closest thing we have to old west in space is fucking starfieldgrim
>>729704669I always loved Larry Niven books because he always hit the perfect balance between hard and soft scifi.
>>729703078No and the vast majority of what people praise as hard sci fi doesn’t actually follow hard sci fi conventions. They both mog cyberpunk tho, the drooling retard of science fiction.
>>729704754Firefly fucking sucked.
>>729704795no u
>>729704754Firefly is barely even scifi they literally had people in covered wagons and using six shooters with laser pewpew noises to make it seem "futuristic" lmao.
>>729704790Thee Body Problem is hilariously goofy and the author obviously intended it that way, but redditors think its terrifying hard sci-fi cosmic horror.
>>729702196This show absolutely did not end gracefully. It was the proto-Game of Thrones.
>>729704675>>729704931go ahead and list your grievances then
>>729697727>dude everyones a robot>dude everybodys fucking everybody else>dude afghanistan lmaothis show fucking sucks dick idk why people praise it
>>729704703Why wouldn't you fuck your sister? I do agree that the extra dimensional shit could have been handled better though. Still, there were some nice scenes leading up to the end with various people you met along the way.
>>729704995It felt awesome at the time when I was like 16-18 but aggressively 2000s edgy as fuck so hasn't aged the best.
>>729702196The most graceful thing about BSG was when they suddenly needed to make the show longer, so they introduced a fucking retarded retcon (The real life constellations we know around IRL Earth actually point to a planet that isn't IRL Earth, so we still need to find IRL Earth!) and churned out an entire season worth of depressing misery porn.
>ENTER
>>729704926Retardation. The sophons alone are well outside hard sci fi limits. Let alone some of the weapons and shit introduced in the sequels. The trisolarian civilization and anatomy is also not grounded in science
>>729705250Ah yes, Lexx localized for americans.
>>729705250>pop culture reference doesn't even make sense in 2025>why don't these aliens understand me???i'm sure it was funny when it aired and you could only catch a random episode here or there
>>729704976>go ahead and list your grievancesIt's been over a decade since I last saw it, but I vividly remember the character assassination of Admiral Adama in the last season on top of absolutely bonkers plan of "technology bad!" risking the last of humanity by throwing all of their tech into the sun regressing to the stone age for the flimsiest reason, while also using the battlestar skeleton crewed on a suicide mission for a single fucking baby.This isn't even touching on the fact that they landed in sub-Saharan Africa of all the places to choose which was inhabited by spear chuckers who were coincidentally genetically compatible and the direct implication they were our ancestors that got bred out of existence.I remember really enjoying the show overall despite having some weak seasons, only to have one of the worst endings for a TV show I've witnessed up until GoT. Sadly it's been so long I don't remember every specific detail but that show is forever on my shitlist right there with nu-trek.
>>729705145I was around 18 or 19 when the final season was airing. Watching it (and LOST) with /tv/ was kickass.>>729705615Don't ever forget that Baltar got away with betraying humanity.
>>729705615>inhabited by spear chuckers>bred out of existenceinteresting choice of words anon
>>729697727>All White people and one token Asian girlWow, right away you just know that this is at least a 15+ year old show, because you will never find any piece of Western made media with a cast like that ever again.It is also unintentionally realistic, since Whites and Northeast Asians are really the only ones intelligent and competent enough to create space faring civilizations to begin with.
>>729705765Not my fault the literal ending scene is them staring over the horizon to a bunch of homo-erectus with their pointy sticks, man.>>729705735That too.Fuck BSG.
>>729705735GAIUS BALTAR?!
>>729705850You now manually remember Fat Lee.
>>729705823just sayingeven with an observation like >>729705810it's never enough
>>729705615It's almost as if you can put an 'o' in bred and say that they got bored out of existence. Really changes the tone just as much as Adama shitting himself due to old age.Really one of the many reasons why S5 is so unfathomably bad. Not as if contrarians would help change our minds. But at least we can all agree on one thing, it's this: BSG S5 is not Stargate S8 or Star Trek TNG S7.
what are the best sci fi series of the last 30 years?
>>729697727star control / ur-quan masters
>>729697727>>729697807I’m really hoping either the Owlcat Expanse game or Exodus, that one game being made by a bunch of ex-Mass Effect devs are able to fill the hole Mass Effect left behind.
>>729698197Make sure you watch the prequel series after.
>>729706002The Expanse had a book series to follow so it was executed really well. Hopefully they return after the time skip to finish it off well.
>>729706002>>729705250
>>729706209lol no
>>729706530care to extrapolate?all i get from your image is you're a triggered racist/sexist
>>729706530you would have zero problems with a character looking like that if this was from the 90s or 2000s
>>729706772there is no time in history in which I'd want to see that shit
>>729706751>racist/sexistyes I am but even without that her character goes from mildly annoying into unbearable in later seasons.
It could've been Starfield.
>>729706901okay so you got nothingnoted
>>729706002I really liked killjoy, but it's not really sci fi sci fi
>>729706751Those are complements here friend.
>>729700221Same. Babylon 5 and ds9 are much better.
>>729706209Expanse watch guide:>seasons 1-3>4 if you really wanna>6 if you've watched 4 and a summary of 5basically the first 3 are great, 4 is alright but unexciting, 6 is alright too, but season 5 is completely unwatchable dogshit
>>729707029this isn't a meme flag board
>>729705250peak sci-fi and I'm talking across all media
>>729703417>Expanse>but what if...nihilism in le space?
>>729707095it's space isekai with baseball references that was dated five years after it aired
>>729703417one day I wanna make a recut of for all mankind without all the really annoying partsit wouldn't be that much shorter which is really impressive for an apple show
>>729706751>noooo, please save my space terrorist son. He is a good boy, despite killing millions and completely ruining every chance at redemption he ever had at every chance.>muh racistI like the pajeet main character, too bad he was cancelled irl and replaced with another atrocious female.Maybe I am more of a sexist than a racist, huh. Never noticed that
>>729707076Doesn't change my statement buddy. We love racism here and we all agree that women aren't people.
>Dr Baltar, certain queries in your recent search history have been automatically flagged by our automatic security protocols: 1: "How do I delete security footage?" 2: "legal punishment for high treason" 3: "Can a Cylon get pregnant?" Care to explain yourself?
>>729702196Yeah, but at least we got one perfect ending.
>>729707118>nihilismSeriously? Tardlarpers are so sensetive now?
>>729703507weren't the original devs of this working on a spiritual successor or something? whatever happened with that?
>>729707293Pussy is pussy. So.... can they?
>>729707275>wethree_fingers.jpg
>>729707073I liked the Expanse until they opened the portals. I don't remember which season that was, but I really enjoyed the conflict they set up in the sol system and it was deflating to seemingly sidestep it.
>>729707303Babylon 5 was the only one I really watched when I was a kid.
>>729700221That's funny because the first two seasons were the only good part. It gets more and more retarded after that. You're just admitting that you never watched it in the first place.
>>729707339mass effect came and went
>>729707309le gray morality edginess got old back in 2017 anon. Sorry your show only got one season before that after going all in.
>>729706209but the book series was fucked because it was written as a trilogy then the publishers saw it was successful and ordered infinity sequels so they just had to spin their wheels instead of reaching the conclusion
>>729707258I liked Alex the most out of the cast. Fuck cancel culture, the one time I find a cool jeet they take him from me.What did they expect? That he wasn't going to be a sex pest? He's a jeet! And it's not like he went to jail or anything so it's all just accusations and vapor without substance, vibes-based career killing. God motherfucking damn.
>Machines that outgrow their creators>Literally immortal can do whatever the fuck they want>REVENGE!!!!What a fucking waste. I hope a few toasters went rogue and fucked off to another galaxy to leave those fags behind.
Battle Star Galactica sucked ass
>>729707463At least he got a good exit from the series which is going towards being a full shit.
>>729707432that's a pessimistic view of basically what >>729707386 critiqued the story fordamned if they do, damned if they don't for developing the storyimagine saying the same thing about the dune or ender books
>>729697727>Bioshock in space>jumping around different ships >fighting for resources>allying with varying factions>retarded twist in the final act>>729700221It's watchable when you can skip around and you'll have to skip around a lot. I skipped whole episodes where nothing really happens because the writers remembered they were suppose to bring up the scarce food and supplies.
>>729707495We created them in our image
listening to a guy on a mountain talk about BSG is way more fun than watching BSG
>>729707585The ender books went to shit biggly after the first one to be honest.
>>729707432Publishers should be culled. No further comments.
>>729707421>le gray moralityYeah no shit, and..?>edginess Tardlarpers are so sensetive now?
>>729702036If the ship is just "falling like a rock" then it wouldn't be glowing red hot like that. it's not falling anywhere near fast enough for that to happen. Shit show. 0/10
>>729707708the side story of the ecologist having his guts torn out and staked to the ground while still alive was neat
>>729707463how the fuck did one dudes scandal sink the whole thing anyways? they could have recasted, or have another character take his place. Or was that shit not actually doing too well and amazon was looking for an excuse to cancel?
>>729707708>aliens thought they were not killing actual people!what a shit story, kys
>>729707886So this is what the libtards meant by media literacy. I get it now.
>>729707851it was him that was cancelled, not the shpw. he was replaced by another character
>>729707495They did... in the end. The Final Five wanted the Cylons to branch out and find their own path, but the Twos endlessly seethed that they were made in humanity's image, as a tribute to God. They felt their form was confining, and as machines they could accomplish so much more if they weren't restrained to the bodies they currently have.So rather than modify their bodies or download their consciousnesses into more synthetic bodies the Twos rallied the rest of the humanoid Cylons to take revenge on the Final Five for their flawed creation. They created clone bodies for the Five with modified memories to make them believe they were human, killed them to download them into their new bodies, then sent them to live among the human colonies to experience the "weaknesses of humanity". Their intent was for the Five to die during the Fall of the Colonies, so that when they would resurrect again they would get on their hands and knees and beg the Twos for forgiveness, acknowledging them as right all along.But that's not what happened. The Five survived the Fall and continued to fight against the hostile Cylons despite their missing memories, and the sole member of the Five who regained them (Ellen) immediately resumed her previous stance of being penitent to God and to work in harmony with humanity, infuriating the Twos. In the end, the hostile faction was destroyed, the surviving humanoid Cylons populated New Earth with humanity, and gave the Centurions their freedom to explore the stars and find their own path. They may one day return to New Earth, but it won't be for a while yet.
>>729707851>>729707967i must have memory holed that because he was barely a character in the books and he died in the show well after his relevance to the ploti don't remember him being replaced
>>729697727https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIQifuOTTe8
>>729707823That scene specifically is one I remember. The three things I really remember about the books was naked petra(I think that was her name?), the final sequence of ender piloting the ship into the bug hivemind, and the dude getting his guts torn out and planted.
>>729698723i hate you so much but your right
>>729707978I had a vague memory of the Centurions leaving but I couldn't recall when it happened. Poor fucks had to put up with the other lunatics for too long.
>>729700221>Be zoomer>Put on some tv to scroll tiktok with and eat to>Pick a show where the action starts in episode one, still have no idea what's going on>Have no chat to talk to or ask if this is real>Hit the monitor to try fixing the missing like counter>Keep scrolling sped up ASMR videos while a space battle is happening >Pause to take a shit while scrolling>Finish, forget to flush>Back to room, forgot what they them was doing
>>729697727Sanderson still does not do any sci-fi book, sry
>>729708063Braper was the new pilot after him. But of course since she is a woman, she was the best at everything else as well.
>>729699814There's like Darkstar One and Underspace and that's about it as far as direct clones, and both of those are good games.
>>729708096The Centurions couldn't even speak, poor fucks got the worst of it out of anyone. Even classic Centurions in the original series could speak. They deserve their freedom.
>>729707708first 3 are fine, the chink girl in 3 deserved a better ending though4 was weird but I guess I liked it. Peter getting called a hwhyteboy by a nip who learned to love the bomb was a highlight.tried getting into the prequels but the first few pages were so ass I never even finished the main series because 5 apparently links to some secondary series which starts off in the prequels and I can't be fucking botheredosc just can't help himself and let his ideas be thought over by the reader, I like his stuff but it's too heavy handed
>>729708152oh, that's what you meanther story was way more relevant as a hardcore martian in a post-gate galaxyi sometimes forgot that people have to analyze a show through like five lenses of culture war bullshit
>>729708126Too real. My nephew wanted to watch a show with me and was on his phone for more than half of it. I've also learned that they watch videos sped up.
>>729707339it's going to be a sequel. they still have the rights to the game itself i think, they just had to change the name. SC2 is on steam as Free Stars: The Ur-Quan Masters https://store.steampowered.com/app/2853290/Free_Stars_Children_of_Infinity/
>>729708407Haven't read books but I hated what they did with Martians. They were advertised as a technologically advanced people that is focused to make things better for people on Mars to people betraying both Mars and Earth. And once other worlds are introduced, there were no long a point to their back story.
>>729709037I think you've missed the bigger picture.
>>729707585does anyone even read past dune 4? why?
>>729709367sunk cost fallacy
>>729709037The three factions at the start of the story were great and set up well enough to where you could milk the conflict for way more content. But kind of the point of it all was what do you do with a faction like the Martians when Mars is no longer the goal?
>>729704848>Firefly is barely even scifiYeah, apart from the eponymous spaceship that's central to the story, terraforming, spacesuits, holograms, automated advanced med-bay, massive space battle in Serenity, the Alliance uniforms mirroring Starship Troopers', gravity drives, etc. etc.
>>729709037thats exactly what happens in the books.... so their whole thing is creating a new earth in mars, terraforming it. BUT with the opening of the portals and habital worlds at reach, their whole purpose for centuries is lost, the martian identity is lost, some factions want to still terraform mars, others see it as pointless now, thats how you get the laconia faction, theyre the ones who have given up on the old world and want to forge their own future in another ready made planet. The next seasons would have focused more on those martians now called "laconians"
Owlcat isn't making what I want so I'm not looking forward to The Expanse game. Exodus has a Concord/Mass Effect Andromeda vibe, so I'm not that impressed with it, probably won't play it. Intergalatic looks like trash, and I don't like anything Naughty Dog makes, so... not playing that. Disney killed my interest in Star Wars so I won't be playing the Kotor remake. I'm a bit miffed about there not being any good (new) space opera games, but I'm in no hurry to play one either, I can keep waiting for the right dev to come along.
I stopped watching the expense when the nigger got the mormon spaceship, that entire thing was pretty retarded
>>729709698isnt the ship called serenity
>>729709698yeah... uh... let me just save this picture right here...
>>729709836Yes. There is also a Firefly movie called Serenity.
>>729705250>we have farscape at home
>>729709947I tried so hard to get into it, but I couldn't do it.
>>729709989first season is alright but after that it turns into some shonen shitit is enjoyable trash, but still trash
>>729709947syfy is one of those channels they used to pump out boderline watchable shows
>>729705250I got pretty deep into this but then I got distracted (forgot why) and stopped watching a couple years back.I need to just restart I guess.
>>729703078>No ayyys >No psychic or other funny super power>No 5 billions year old super civilisation you only find ruin from >No abominable sentient monsters powerful enought to be called godI want a funny adventure, not "oh a rock, and next to it ? Oh a rock"This is why starfield failed
>>729706976You mean this?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killjoys
>>729710324Starfield literally has dragon shouts, super entities, and ancient civilizations. It failed because it was bad, not because it's hard scifi(it's not).
>>729697727Why are there no good space operas?
>>729706002DS9
>>729710341>>729710153yes, it's more cyberpunk in space than anything, corpos are the big bad controlling everything
>>729710394No intelligent aliens killed itDragon shout aren't funny super powerThe "ruins" were cut/paste shit
>>729710324It's still baffling that a company known for making games in wacky universes full of all kinds of strange creatures (Elder Scrolls and Fallout) decided it would be a great idea to make a boring pseudo-realistic "NASApunk" game with no aliens.If they had made first-person Mass Effect people would have loved it and forgiven its numerous flaws.
>>729710408Because an opera requires sound, reverberation through air. In (((space))) there is no air, no reverberation. (((Space))) is a lie.
>>729710460Like I said, because it was BAD. You could add in aliens too and it would still be ass.
>>729710408It's kind of hard to do.
>>729710468>>729710460there was a leak about a future DLC where there would be space khajiit and they were the ones behind the magic monoliths or whatever the fuck
>>729710523Space isn't actually a pure void. The lie is that it is. It's full of random ass particles of shit, just at ultra low density.
>>729710576Whatever you say, jew.
>>729706002Well, it's definitely not Stargate, no matter how much I like it.
>>729710613What....? How is anything I said even remotely jewish. There was no mention of killing whites, mass immigration, or ritual child sacrifice.
>>729710564There wasn't a leak.
>>729710696You implied that (((space))) even exists. That makes you a jew.
>>729711109But white people invented the concept of space? Not jews?
>>729702196I dunno about gracefully, but it did at least end.
>>729707748retard
>>729707339Development is super slow, they haven’t even finished the arcade combat portion yet, I’d be surprised if the full game releases in 2026, if at all.
>>729702196
>>729697807>Mass Effect 1OP said good.
>>729708137The Reckoners trilogy exists but it's capeshit and the ending sucks.
>>729711523Name one
>>729712062Breaking Bad... and uh...uhhuuhhhhhhhhhh
>>729711157Why would a "white" invent a new space for a kike to invade? ((((Space))) is a kike lie to trap you.
>>729698194>Infinite spaceCareful who you give flowers to.
