Do not mate with the Miraluka Exile.
>>729697782i'm sorry but i must, clear your weekends in about 5 years so you can babysit
1. [ Invite Kreia to watch ]2. [ Strengthen your Force Bond with Kreia so she feels your every thrust into Visas ]3. [ Invite Kreia to participate ]4. [ Charge up her loading ramp ]
>>729697782>any decision you make is bad, because fuck you, this is mature writing and the force and star wars is gay>-Avellone
>>729697782the echani is fair game though, right?
>>729698270this
>>729698429I respect him for having the balls to write a character that constantly shits on the player
>>729698429>According to my preferences, I'D LOVE KATHLEEN TO REMAKE OLD STAR WARS GAMES LIKE THIS. FUCK PATRIARCHY.Simp pls go and stay go.
>>729697782jesus these graphics are shit
>>729698429Is Chris Avellone aware that it's possible to walk past beggars without giving them anything?
>>729698926>walk past beggars without giving them anythingApathy is death.
>>729699040>ignore beggar>he pulls a shiv and stabs you in the neck>literally fucking die>Influence gained: Kreia
>>729698843Anon, KotOR2 is The Last Jedi of Star Wars video games. wth are you talking about with this "simp" shit?You oughta love TLJ since it "subverts expectations" like your beloved KotOR2
>>729697782DO NOT MATE WITH THE MIRELURK!
>>729699040He's probably mentally ill or a drug fiend. By helping him survive another day, I'm almost certainly bringing a greater darkness upon another.
>>729699263>t. picrelatedKOTOR 2 actually did what TLJ was supposed to do.Unlike TLJ KOTOR 2 takes time to create a proper set-up for it's "subversion" (actually just a conversation about Jedi and the Force etc and etc) and it doesn't deliver messages via autistic tantrums.
>>729700661>KOTOR 2 actually did TLJ was supposed to dokek
is there any star wars game like SWKOTOR 2 but that doesn't suck ass?
>>729700823Yoda stories
>>729698270I'll accidentally play the holodisc of it when I try to show her my new lightsaber color
>>729698429That happens exactly once, and if you say>Hmm Kreia you make a good point you gain Kreia Points no matter what you do with the beggar
>>729698536YesShe's also Kreia's daughter
>>729697782>Lightsabers are so cool! >Ahhh fool that you are. A true jedi does not need a lightsaber, or a weapon at all. Indeed, your desire to wield such a weapon could be construed as insecurity in your masculinity Why did she say this about my laser swords
>>729698429Her actual philosophical point isn't objectionable, it's the way she jams it into a situation where you just give a beggar money. The principle isn't wrong, the disproportionate grandstanding about it is fucking crazy.
>>729701589Because Avellone's a cuck, and KotOR2 is the cuck's Star Wars video game choice
>>729697782Is there a way to actually make her happy? I remember trying to follow her philosophy many years ago but by the end of the game she was still bitching at me
>>729701682Calm your ass Dave.
>>729699263KOTOR 2 didn't raze and salt the earth for the whole fucking franchise, so it's not the TLJ of Star Wars vidya. That said, I understand the comparison you're trying to make, but KOTOR 2 does put in a lot more legwork even in its shitty, unfinished state. The mistake of TLJ (aside from just being a legitimately shitty movie entirely on its own merits) is trying to start a conversation about the Force in a mainline movie, knowing that it was going to go nowhere.
>>729698907It was 2004, man.
>>729701647She could've just said something like "do you really think you helped that beggar with your choice" and it would've been better. You know, have a calm discourse instead of an unhinged lecture.>Doing what you were doing was like pouring sand into his hand. Why would you do such a thing???
>>729701647sex.
>>729701778In the infamous Nar Shadaa beggar scenario you can in fact reason with her and get her approval regarding your actions, which she initially has criticism for until you explain yourself (intelligently). This results in favor lost -> favor gained. You can't prevent her from being the antagonist but that should be obvious.
>>729702060it's been years since I played it but I thought I'd get her to not chew me out during the jedi masters scene or att he end but from what I remember she was still disappointed that I hadn't followed her teachings. Not sure if I messed up somewhere or if it's impossible to please her. I didn't expect her not to be the final boss but I expected some different dialogue
>>729701647>>729701926>why is my Sith mentor so rude sometimes? :(Parents should go back to hitting their kids if it makes people as fragile as this
>>729697782I'll mate with Kreia instead
Kriea is one of the best written characters in gaming. Her and Sylvanas are completely accurate representations of women.
>>729702298Nah, you're just fucking stupid.You are clearly unable to understand the concept of proportionality enough to apply it.
>>729701778Generally, Kreia will be pleased whenever you go for a "I'll consider your words" sort of option, because all she really cares about is that you're not ignoring her. She also tends to like it when you're brazenly manipulative in furthering your goals.
>>729698012>his exile doesn't have a foursome every night with his sith apprentices
>>729697782Honestly one of the weaker parts of the story desu. Real cringe stuff.
>>729701926It's refreshing when people speak their mind, even if they way they do it comes across as a bit unhinged or dramatic.A point is still valid no matter how it's communicated and the decision to be offended is a personal one. Some of the best conversations I've had on /v/ was with spergs who insulted me in every post.
>>729702697But is the scene written that way?Are you talking in theory here, or are you talking about the actual scene? Talking ideas is fine, but when you start talking ideas to escape the topic of conversation, I can see why you might be defensive of the scene.
>>729702192She doesn't really chew you out during the Jedi tribunal unless you killed them because it robs her of some smug satisfaction she would've gotten from trotting you out in front of them to prove a point. Even though strictly following her advice up to that point would result in one or all of them being dead, thus forcing you to fight the other two at that point. She's always been a failure of a teacher after all. If the masters are all alive, then she just comes to the realization that everything that happened to you at Malachor happened because you were afraid. Less of a condemnation and more her realizing there isn't something more profound to it.As for the final confrontation at Malachor, she doesn't really browbeat you so much as deliver a stern lesson, because that was her end goal the entire time. Everything else was a spook just to get you there so she can do her final test and let you prove your mettle.
>>729702814The problem with the scene can be summarized with pic related. It flows very unnaturally.That's the reason some people start out jarred by the scene and only later warm up to it.
>>729702814Kreia isn't an always calm objective stoic character, so it makes sense that she's slightly frustrated and lecturing you.Pretty much all of her students have been failures and she herself admits that she lacks the ability to convince others (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zS11CMNOmUM&t=39)There's a lesson in Kreia herself as a character that ideas are useless by themselves and most people won't listen if you present them in an abrasive way. You're right in that she would get her point across far more effectively if she just said it nicely.
>>729699263>TLJ subverted anythingThey played it so safe that it was just a new hope in reverse. KotOR 2 and TLJ are nothing alike friend. Not sure where this comparisson even came from.
>>729703292More like ESB but they decided they put the battle of Hoth at the end of the movie instead of the start and also they jammed in the throne room scene from RotJ. Fucking mess of a movie.
>>729700823The original battlefront 2. It's exactly like kotor 2 minus the leveling, turn based combat, storyline, choices, characters, playstyle, genre, timeline, and moral ambiguity. Other than that, spot on though.
>>729703285I have the same comment. If so, the game should be written that way. If the writer told me that was their idea, I believe that 100%. Writing is more than just having an idea in your mind. You have to actually make the whole picture make sense. The scene is out of order. It might make sense as an individual contained unit, but it doesn't make sense as a part of the whole.
>>729701647Sometimes AI is alright. This is one of those times. More.
>>729703292>Not sure where this comparisson even came from.The elder mentor figure, chased and hated by their former apprentice(s), who questions the nature of the force and spits on the concept of the jedi and sith
>>729703285>Pretty much all of her students have been failures and she herself admits that she lacks the ability to convince othersMakes sense why she won't shut the fuck up about how cool Revan was if he was her only good student
>>729698907>>729701924I honestly think the cutscenes still hold up pretty well.
>>729698429>if you teach a man to fish, he'll eat for a lifetime by himself. If you give a man fish, he'll get complacent because he already has his needs sated and won't work to learn how to fish himself for the next time he is hungry >Don't help people unless you understand their situation enough to actually help properly and are willing to take responsibility for the outcome your interference causes whether good or bad>sating your own ego and virtue signalling is not a good enough justification for interfering with other people's livesIts a pretty reasonable ideology, just framed in an absurd fashion just like the Jedi and Sith always are. It's basically the idea that lying to your parents about not liking a food so they won't feel bad isn't a kindness to them but expanded om.
>>729697782I would like for Kreia to look over my thesis, and perhaps she could allow me to cite her works in it. Primary sources are always useful
>>729701647She has a penis, doesn’t she?
In this house, Kreia is a hero of the republic, end of story
>>729703235I feel like the biggest flaw with the scene is that she starts arguing with you by saying "what if bad thing happens?" and then the all-knowing omniscient camera conveniently shows bad thing happening to make her objectively correct in this situation.>>729703531Like I said, there are issues with the scene, but I don't think Kreia's dialogue herself is out of character. She pisses off pretty much everyone she encounters except for walking sponge Exile.
>>729703973>then the all-knowing omniscient camera conveniently shows bad thing happening to make her objectively correct in this situation.But that is realistic. If you give a beggar money in real life, he 100% will not spend it on improving his life. He'll just go buy booze or meth immediately, this isn't an extreme scenario where there's a starving orphan child stealing bread and Kreia is saying you'll ruin their life if you give them food.
>>729697782no problem
Kreia canonically polishes my knob every morning
>>729703973>she starts arguing with you by saying "what if bad thing happens?" and then the all-knowing omniscient camera conveniently shows bad thing happening to make her objectively correct in this situation.I mean, you're both Force wielders who can see visions of the future. She's probably been waiting for that exact moment to spring the lesson on you.
>>729701647Kreia sperging out over a minor act of charity is actually an extremely informative character moment. She's preachy and is trying to manipulate the Exile into excepting her as a quasi-mentor figure. Even rejecting her line of reasoning is fine for her as long as you're actively thinking about what she has to say.
>>729699263You are a homosexual midwit.
>>729703973Fair enough, I'll put it this way then. I understood your perspective before I even started this conversation. I've found myself agreeing with it. I absolutely think the lesson makes sense in a vacuum. I just realized later that it's not that simple after thinking about it. Whatever they were going for, simply fails. Somehow, many people come to the same conclusion. Ignoring that idea as "they just don't get it" is stupid. There's something about the scene that makes people not get it. The lesson itself is simple, too.I still have the same comment about it.
>>729700661
>>729699040
>>729704292>"I've thought about what you said Kreia and it's completely retarded.">+20 Influence gained
>>729704436Yes. Unironically
>>729704436She just likes to be included
>>729697782Listen, lady, I saved Visa's life, and that means I'm going to charge up her loading ramp
>>729704120>>729704209It's unrealistic that it happens literally within a minute while you're still talking to Kreia and one hallway down from you. Like, you could probably go run and help the beggar while he's being mugged or even afterwards instead of just standing there watching it being Force livestreamed.>I mean, you're both Force wielders who can see visions of the futureCan they? I thought that was just a thing Kreia could do on Malachor for "reasons" aka we ran out of money for a proper epilogue/ending slides.If Malachor can show her the future, how come she was literally in the same spot years ago waiting for Sion to do naughty things to her? Why aren't people coming to Malachor to exploit this power and investing in Bitcoin?
>>729697782>no option to shoot this hag out of the airlockshit game
>>729703954Kek, Tony as the exile, Kreia as his BPD mom. I'm sure there are other parallels too.
The beggar scene could've been fixed by giving the player throwaway dialogue choices. Taking agency away from the player misleads the player about the scene's intent. If you had no choice to begin with, why the fuck is this bitch giving me a lecture about choices?
>>729703954https://youtu.be/gaX71sADjdM?si=bavUiC80rLmuSU_V
>>729704684Sure, but I really don't think the scene is made worse for it and it wouldn't be better if they just had the scene randomly appear later on in the planet's story either. I don't even think the game particularly portrays Kreia as right honestly, just that she does have valid points.
>>729704984I kind of agree here. The problem is how contrived the setup is and how poorly the situation is set up despite being contrived as hell. There's many fixes you could do, like >>729704920or by, you know, not just giving a character philosophy dump. Or, even give the option to tell Kreia that>"It was just a simple choice, I didn't think about it that deeply">"who asked bitch?"
They'll call you a bitch, obtuse, annoying, they'll even daydream of killing youBut they'll never call you wrong
>>729705142I don't know. The way I viewed it was that the scene is for the player, not necessarily an in-universe thing where she's whipping out a Force PowerPoint Presentation. It might have been overkill, but you kind of have to do that if you want the average person to think about the hypothetical since the majority of players will just be drawn to being a nice person if the cost is small.
>>729704984You could argue that showing what happens to the beggar isn't needed at all. You're discussing what could happen and neither of you have to be proven right for the point to be made.It's also odd that neither the Exile or Kreia acknowledge what is happening to the beggar, like it's something you, the player, is privy to, but not them.>>729704920This is a problem throughout the game. If Mr Avellone wants a scene to go a certain way then he simply won't give you options that would contradict it, even if it would make sense to.
>>729705296> It might have been overkill, but you kind of have to do that You don't have to do a damn thing, and you can do anything with more tact. Intent doesn't justify results, just as results don't justify intent. It's pretty funny when the writer could take Kreia's lesson into their writing.
>>729705536It says a lot about video games that a character that lectures the player and deprives you of agency is considered good writing.
>>729705856I get it. KotOR 2 is a bit more easy to consume than Machiavelli. Kreia is just giving basic takes from the Prince.
>>729704353Did he had a stroke when S2 came out?
>>729703954>and the mandalorians, where are they now
>>729705486>>729705536You do have to acknowledge that being cruel can be the right course of action in more blatant ways, that much should be obvious with how much the western world just throws money into the void and all it achieves is making every situation that they pay for significantly worse over time. Then if you call that out, you're considered a heartless person because you actually want these communities to get genuine support that improves their conditions.Everybody knows that being kind and receiving kindness in return feels nice, but what isn't obvious is that being mean can be just as kind as being nice. Giving free money, housing, etc to the poor has always been worthless, you have to actually teach them how to improve their lives and give them the motivation to do it. If you're not willing to go that far, then the money you give them only serves to dig the whole that they're stuck in deeper
>>729706791My experience is that being harsh is a lot of times the right decision for helping someone, but the wrong decision for your own sake.People will internalize the lesson, come around to it, and then convince themselves it was their idea. Or they'll just reject it completely out of spite for you. And you're left without a friend and they'll tell everyone how mean you are.
>>729702814she's as far as you can get from a normal person, and you're complaining about her table manners? remember prior to you travelling together she's been a part of a sith club with a walking corpse and another guy that is basically a hole in the fabric of reality
>>729709493...but is the scene WRITTEN THAT WAY?Jesus fucking Christ. There's being kind of slow and then there's this.
>>729711097anon you're reaching to far up your ass for an argument here, what's your problem with it? you don't like the the whole "look what happens" sequence? yeah, it's not the best way to represent a lesson, probably not a good idea in retrospect, but there you goi doubt there's anything else to dig for in there
KOTOR 2 should've been a porn game
>>729711526...do not you see how fucking retarded that makes your take?If it's not the best representation, why are you reaching to defend it like it's perfect?I understand the intent. There can be 200 IQ intent behind the scene, but if it's bad it's bad.
>>729711723nta anon, i've never said the scene was goodyeah it's not a good scene, and to be fair other cutscenes later don't shove lessons as objective truth down your throat as much, so frankly i don't see the point of making it such a big deal
>>729711910Here's a life lesson for you. You're the one making it a big deal right now.>i've never said the scene was goodthis makes this statement >anon you're reaching to far up your ass for an argument hereretarded.
>>729707026>womenbecome sexier>menage 1000 years
>>729712045kek, aren't you a joy to talk to
>>729712204Then don't, and we understand each other perfectly. I'm so confused. Did it sound like I want to repeat myself?Do you like doing that?
>>729712664kek
love a kotor thread
>>729697782Who should've been the Sith Emperor in place of Vitiate?My idea was a survivor of the original purge of Korriban. The most respected, feared, and powerful Sith alive. The problem? He's lived for so long and become such an embodiment of the Force he is no longer completely conscious in the present moment, leaving the Dark Council to rule in his stead. When he reaches points of clarity, conflicts across Sith space cease and the Sith Empire immediately becomes a devastating force to be reckoned with.Like Nihilus but less a blackhole of the force and a being extremely close to being one with it without fully losing their physical form. A play on the Jedi philosophy ironically by one of their enemies.And to introduce some grayness, he'd lean into the whole genocide that happened on Korriban. It being the one thing he can still remember clearly after all the centuries. His people dying from being cut off from the force because the Jedi didn't understand them. The infighting that likely came after. That, after everything, only he remains and can remember what it was like to truly be Sith.Battle dialogue about how he can't ever forgive the Jedi for what they've done. How, if you convinced some Sith to betray him, his brethren could stoop so low. Confusion as to who some apprentices he can barely remember not being there to help him. Stuff like that.His dying words, from being killed or maybe even convinced to give up finally:"Forgive me... I could only save myself in the end.""...Korriban. Home. At last."
>>729712835>Who should've been the Sith Emperor in place of Vitiate?Marka Ragnos. These pussies need to fear a real and legendary Sith Lord
>>729712942but he's a deady
>>729712994Nah his spirit is alive and floating around Korriban. The story should've been him as the Emperor possessing bodies until he managed to get his own again. None of this Valkarion shit.
>>729713063it just seems kind of overdone since jedi academy tried it
>>729713097True but it would be better than what we got. The Emperor was so shit in SWTOR
>>729713190i'm not going to fight you there>oh, he's basically nihilus but weaker and without the lesson of needing something desperately to live>just kidding, he's actually an oc donutsteel who makes vaguely philosophical remarks about being a glorified force gohst>you thought you killed him but he lives x3
>>729701778Don't be a dogmatic Jedi/Sith. It really pisses her off if your reasoning for doing something is "That's what Jedi are supposed to do"
kek
>>729697782you're not my mum, mum!
>>729712664topkek
>>729698429>kreias entire point is simply that you think about what you are doing.>90% of anons unable to think
>>729713595being a dogmatic jedi is more retarded than sithsith at least is loyal to themselves
>>729713727>forced between 2 stupid options>"you should've thought about what to do harder">"here's my really ham-fisted lecture about unintended consequences"there's a genuine human void in someone who defends the scene,there's an intellectual void in someone who didn't get it,there's a void of healthy humility in people who look down on others discovering the principle in the scene
>>729714134whats your IQ bro
>>729713992Yes but they also tend to be self-destructive and too drunk on the force to actually achieve their goals.
>>729714151Were you insulted or annoyed by the take?
>>729714272im asking how you would feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning
>>729714307So you were insulted then?Brother, whatever implication you read, you're a top tier loser for getting insulted.
>>729714151Nah not doxxing myself
>>729697782
>>729714190may i introduce you to the gigachads>Darth Vowrawn >Darth Malgus>Darth Marr>Darth Jadus
>>729712664Real boomers know how shitty the average tenant is so when they get a good one where they can actually live out the fantasy of>sit on my butt>collect rentInstead of having to tard wrangle and constantly repair tenant inflicted damage or get the courts to do something, they're usually smart enough to mostly leave the rent where it is to not chase the golden goose away.
>>729714410You're forgetting Darth Imperius, because he is literally me
>>729714495>lightside SIunironically playing it wrong
>>729714410I only recognize Malgus, I couldn't stand playing swotor enough to know the other guys.
>>729714495A light side sith sounds pretty cool honestly.
>>729714615the light side sith in SWTOR are enjoyable because they're not jedi with red lightsabers. They are pro-Empire, pro efficiency and will remove obstacles in their way whilst thinking of the bigger picture. It's fun to play as a Sheev clone running around zapping everything, but playing a smart, calculated and savvy Sith is more fun
star wars lore is cringe slop
>>729714595they're all pretty based>Vowrawn Most skilled politician-focused sith you encounter. Prioritizes the overall performance of the Empire over petty infighting>MalgusDoes not give a single fuck about politics except for how it's making them lose. Wants to fuck the Republic up with his army boys.>MarrGenuinely cares about the well-being of the Empire. Willing to die to defend it over any kind of loyalty to himself or lust for power.>JadusFed up with politics like Malgus but has arranged a master espionage move against his own rivals to effectively take his place as the most powerful Sith in the entire Empire (He legitimately is one of the best written Star Wars characters ever and an example of how the Sith can be creepy psychos but also visionaries)
>>729714615>>729714724>not a grey sithNGMI
>>729714903They at least sound interesting but from what I understood of the Dark Side based on the Plageius and Bane novels. It seems like you will never gain true power in the Dark Side unless you are ambitious to the point of obsession, willing to do anything to concentrate power within yourself.These guys on the Warrioir or Inquisitor path?
>>729699263retard
>>729715083Malgus and Marr show up in every Imperial Class. Vowrawn is a SW character who actually helps you out in the last chapter of the class story. Jadus can completely change the overall story of the Imperial Agent
>>729714903Jadus should have had a bigger role in the expansions following the class stories.
>>729714190
>>729715258you can say that about every class story
>>729698429I prefer this over everything always working out for being a good boy and everyone loves you. One of the lamest things about bg3 is that being a good boy consistently rewards you and the only reason to be evil is to be sadistic. I actually really liked the karma system in fable 2 and 3. Where you actually get rewarded with being evil.
>>729715285I don't think that's really related to what he said, but let's talk about that.Honestly, in my view, a perfect dilemma is one where you feel the opportunity cost of both options more than the negative consequences.KotOR 2 does this kind of well. You get good boy consequences for doing to good boy things, but you have an opportunity cost for not doing the bad things.If you had dilemmas where you have a clear and present reward for evil actions and slower and subtler rewards for good actions, I'd personally like that the best.
>>729698429she is a sith. everybody seems to brush over that fact. she is a sith so she is evil.
>>729714903>>729715258Damn I need to do the Agent story as I have never seen Jadus in the game yet. All I have left is Trooper and Agent but I'm stopping the base class stories for a while now as I'm bored of the same planets so I'm just post story content on my main
>>729715261Only proves my point/ Count Dooku was a falled Jedi and while he did learn the power of the Dark Side he never indulged in it enough to even receive the yellow eyes of the Sith. Like Maul, they were never meant to be true Sith, just tools.
>>729715670She was a sith until she suffered........... indignities
>>729715670Darth Traya isn't her "true self" you midwit. It is a role she takes on at the end of all things and she does it for the same reason she does almost everything in that game. To teach the Exile a lesson.
>>729715695in the end she is a sith. in the beginning she was a sith. she took a short break or at least pretended to do so. everyone doubting the jedi in this game turns out a sith or corrupted. muh morally grey shit is reddit slop and avellone is making that very clear.
>>729715754doesn't matter what she wants to be she is corrupted and a sith. there is no grey area in star wars.
>>729715881>there is no grey area in star wars.Only a sith deals in absolutes.
>>729715261Dooku is what every "Grey Jedi" self insert OC would actually be. Noble to a point, reserved and seemingly in check with his emotions, able to shoot lightning without succumbing to the Dark Side but in the end he's still a Sith. His noble veneer hides his seething hatred for the Republic, a hatred that caused him to turn on and kill all of his former friends in the Order, as well as the ambition and gall to think he alone could change the Republic to what he envisioned it should be. Dooku's Jedi training and approach to the force hide his true nature well but he's a power hungry Sith all the same, he's just polite about it.
>>729715921That line is as retarded as medichlorians. We will just admit that the prequels were made by a demented boomer.
>>729715812Darth Traya isn't her you dimwit Atris is Darth TrayaKreia was playing a role to help you understand something.
>>729715979Lucas has always been bad at writing dialogue. Harrison Ford has the most iconic lines because he had the guts to tell Lucas no human talks like the script and he just made his own lines.
>>729715979>Questioning the sacred prequels Oh boy I don't think the zoomers ITT are gonna like that very much
Everything after the Jedi council on Dantooine is just complete incoherent nonsense that is best ignored.
>>729716010They are both Darth Traya. It's a title
>>729703285she is proven wrong again and again. she was against you helping the tree huggers on the first planet and turns out you got a considerable upgrade. her agenda is to corrupt you since she is a sith and she would have killed you if it wasnt for the bond.
Whatever happened to Rikafag anyway
>>729697782I never cared about her philosophy when I was like 14 and playing the game, because she makes no sense, has no point, and nothing she says is deepBUT I cared very much about her telegraphing for hours that she will betrays you, and you can't just throws her out of an airlock>I'll betray you, Exile>ok>No, life is about betrayal. Soon you'll find my own betrayal.>no like ok>Force is the betrayal of your own emotion, your own life. Find meaning in betrayal. I'll betray you.>no but like I get it>Soon... Soon I'll betray you. You will never see it coming.>not sure about that
>>729716332>she makes no sense, has no point>nothing she says is deepI'd argue it's presented in a really shallow and pointless way
How can one character filter so many people? All Kiera does is trying to build mc, to let him grow his character and person by questioning your every decision. She has her own "unique" moral code (cuz she is "deep" character), so she sometimes won't agree no matter what you choose.
>>729716659What's more impressive is that KOTOR 2 is over 20 years old and generates near weekly discussions on /v/ about people being filtered by her
>>729716659i think you have to be a redditor to "get it"
>>729715258I read that they are bringing him back
>>729716659Who's Kiera?The problem with Kreia is that she isn't that well written as a character. It's an "wise" character written by an unwise person. It's kind of like a genius written by a retard.
>>729716852>Somehow Palpatine has returned>Somehow General Grievous has returned>Somehow Jar Jar Binks has returned>Somehow Anakin Skywalker (Hayden Christensen) has returned>Somehow Count Dooku has returned>Somehow Captain Phasma has returned>Somehow Pong Krell has returned
>>729716659It's not even unique even when you count her opinions on the force. It's just basic Nietzsche, she wants the Exile to able to actually think for himself instead of either following the Jedi Code or Sith ambition blindly.
this game has much better "dark vs light" choices. either is correct, instead of both being wrong.
>>729716852To be fair, of all characters, he's the one with good reasons for returninghttps://youtu.be/IOm_qpR4kuE&t=1498
>>729716971I like the idea of the closed fist but in the end there are maybe 3 scenarios where it's anything more than a greedy/edgy option.One was with that slave girl you "rescue" in Gao's pirate fortress and another with the questline around pic related.
>>729716659Most people on here have never read any literary fiction at all and understand things only on the very surface level They think they can "prove Kreia wrong", as if that has any meaning
>>729716971Not really, no. Jade Empire is Kotor 2.5, it's almost weird how it copies some of Kotor plot points (light/dark sides, fucking sith academy plot point, Darth Vader and the Emperor, etc)Except Jade Empire is far too short, with 2 "planets". Also in Jade Empire you can have your mind controlled party says they'll suck your cock after they fight the big bad. But in dark vs light choices, it's literally dark side vs light side.A decent game, but don't make kotor 2.5 anything it isn't.
>>729716971>>729717084yeahthe final choice jumping you to maximum closed fist was lame
>>729717153it also breaks the game, because i played a maximal open fist character at release, choose to enslave Darth Vader, and it broke the ending something fierceit was like "this monster, loved by all the people of the land, was a monstrous monster of all monster, when he gave little flowers to children. Everyone agreed he was the best emperor on the job, a true monster"which is hilarious, not sure if they fixed that, probably i hope
>>729716852I know everyone memes on the sequel trilogy bringing back Palpatine, but it was a goal of his to cheat death like this. Disney still deserves all the shit they get for how badly and utterly pointless it was.
>>729717104I think this works both ways. People start discussing the idea, when the ideas presented aren't the problem in the first place. It's how the ideas are presented that rubs people the wrong way. She is basically Chris Avellone's Mary Sue that pops out of the woodwork to give "wisdom" nobody asked for.That being said, she's kind of a cool unreliable narrator if you let her be one.
>>729701647This. She is not wrong and actually has a point, but it doesn't apply to every single aspect of life 24/7.>>729697782>>729701589Every time she says shit like that, keep in mind she was a librarian nerd girl and a jedi on top of that, so basically a turbo femcel.
>>729717459funny since it seems more like she's trying to set you up with her daughter
>>729717395EU had a palpatine clone plot. It was considered somewhat cliché and not the best of the EU, and was done early. In the 80s.Even then, even with the EU as its worst, even in bad books that many people just want to forget, it wasn't as bad as Disney Star Wars. EU clone palpatine had a backstory, a reason for existing, writing, new planets, technology to explain how it was done, etc. Story! Plot! The EU as its worst never thought "lmao just palp again i dunno maybe he somehow returned"
>>729717513Handmaiden?I thought Atris was her daughter.
>>729717557No they just all weirdly look like each other. Atris isn't related but she is going down the exact same path Kreia did
>>729717153Well it does make sense for a maximum selfish and edgy character to choose to become a god of sort even if it does fuck up the entire Empire.My issue is that even when you do choose the good ending that still means that the waters stop flowing which will in turn cause the Jade Empire to die and be reborn into something else.
>>729717557atris is your bpd ex who fell so off the deep end when you left her she went dark side
>>729717513Nothing says femcels can't get pregnant and have children They remain femcels
>>729717395It wouldn't have been a problem if they planned it and hinted throughout. It was an asspull emergency break glass situation because they had no idea what they were doing and Luke/Leia(Carrie) and Han were dead so they needed serious nostalgia bait.FUCK THE SEQUELS WITH SOMETHING HARD AND SANDPAPERY
>>729717557Handmaidan's mother is Arren Kae who people believe is Kreia
i never liked palpatine being some god tier dark side user in the eu that every past jedi soul had to cast into hell because he was so goddamn powerful when all he did was lightning fingiesit's almost as stupid as luke going super saiyan (this is literally a thing that happens)
>>729717632Oh right that fits
>>729717643I can imagine Harrison's eyes rolling into the back of his head when he got the call that they needed him to make another appearanceI never understood why he hated the character. On the flipside, Hamill loves Luke and would have gladly played in whatever slop Disney+ show they would have churned out but they killed the poor guy
>>729717708>lightning fingiesTo be fair they are MOST UNNATURAL
>>729717762Harrison hates everything he stars in
>>729716804Because it has genuinely good writing. It has an outsized cultural footprint. Compare to kotor 1, just being mediocre
>>729717708if you had only the original trilogy to go on, where would you put old palpy as a character? the EU just did that. satan likethe EU after the prequels is far more grounded about what palpy is, for once something good to say about Lucas
>>729717803kekthat doctorate shit is so autistic it loops back into being hilarious
>>729717814Except Indiana Jones
>>729717762To be fair to him he has played the actual characters that Han Solo is ripping off. I imagine after so many Indiana Jones movie he thinks of Lucas as the fat untalented retard that he is
All I know about kotor 2 is I wanted to fuck Visas.
>>729717831>if you had only the original trilogy to go on, where would you put old palpy as a character? the EU just did that. satan likehe always came off as a blowhard only memorable for being such a hilariously evil guyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxdW5cxSPoc
>>729717870He hates that too but never says itHe tried to be a serious actor in the 90s but he's not worth a shit as an actor so it didn't workHe's just a big old grumbleguts
>>729717912>To be fair to him he has played the actual characters that Han Solo is ripping offAre you denseAre you aware of when Raiders of the Lost Ark came out?Han Solo and Indy are both ripping off much older characters
>>729717913i wanted to fuck all the chicks but kreia
>>729717762Maybe Harrison Ford should try making the best of the script he's given, like Alec Guiness did, instead of pretending that he's above it all
>>729717762He only did it cause of Carrie and the big day pay check they probably threw at him
>>729717708>i never liked palpatine being some god tier dark side user in the eu that every past jedi soul had to cast into hell because he was so goddamn powerful when all he did was lightning fingiesPalpatine is an above average force user, but his specialty is being a schemer. He would have lost if he was unable to spread the Jedi forces thin. Also, he lost to Windu. Akakin is the only reason he wasn't killed.
>>729698429>NOOO I NEED TO BE ABLE TO PICK AN OPTION WERE EVRYTHING ALWAYS TURNS OUT RIGHT AND I GET 100% OF THE REWARD
>>729718038Alec also publicly hated Star Wars
>>729718009>>729717913Kotor 2 had bikini outfit after you plunge through the Hutt palaceWhich you could place on party members. Now, Kotor 1 never had bikinis, so it's an objectively worse game
>>729718047That's only because Palpy was super uber evil powerful and Windu had this super speshul gud version of Juyo that could turn evil uber dark side powers against an enemy>Sith Padmehonestly, boner inducing
Do you know which acclaimed actor didn’t hate Star Wars and was sad he was killed off? Based Tarkin of course. Christopher Lee took the role of Dooku to honour Peter Cushing who loved th film series
>>729718089Fine, but he didn't half ass it. He did the job
>>729718061>Skill checks in every Obsidian game
>>729718042kek, he's hard not to love
>>729718143He was so dismayed that he didn't get to keep appearing, he loved the role and everything about the movies.Great actor. Underrated, just as Alec Guinness is overrated
>>729718143People loved him a lot for his brief yet memorable performance. Tarkin became the big guy in the EU because of that alone. Can't blame him for wanting to give people what they want
>>729717848Those dumbass videos were my gateway into philosophy funnily enough
>>729718042Oh wow Harrison Ford being cantankerous in an interview! I never saw that coming! How new and interesting.
>>729718143I wonder what he would think of his force ghost version of Tarkin
>>729718196how?
>>729718223He'd think it's rather sporting, but would regret that a younger actor wasn't given a chance at the role
>>729718091And that's exactly what I did. I'm pretty sure I ran around with handmaiden and visas in skimpy clothes all game.
>>729718223sovlless
yjk Kreia is hiding a baddie bod under those robes
>>729718038>>729718089The more I hear this shit, the more I have disdain for actors that do it. I can understand being pissed at a bad movie you starred in, but the attitude of being below you is just pure snobbery. It also makes every appearance you do hollow. All those cheers people give you when you walk on a fandom stage. You don't care. They, like all the movies you've been in, are beneath you.
>>729718223>3D sculptfags adding a gorillion over-emphasized details that just make people ugly isn't exclusive to gamesGod I hope every CGI 'artist' gets replaced by AI.
>>729698429>any decision you make is badHave you still learned nothing? Just because one woman thinks your decision is bad doesn't mean your decision is actually bad. You are your own master.
>>729718112>>729718047Palpatine's specialty is the force. He's not a duelist and in a straight lightsaber fight he'd lose to Anakin, Dooku, probably Obi Wan. Windu actually beat Palpatine in the duel, it was the force struggle afterward that Sheev was faking. Yoda beat Palpatine in their duel so badly Palps just gave up on it and started throwing shit. That's not to say Palpatine isn't poweful. The core premise of the Baneite Sith is that each one is more powerful than the last and Palpatine and Vader are the apex of that. He's the one that finally tore down the millenia old Republic that Malgus, Revan, Malek, Exar Kun, Acina, Nihilus, whoever failed to do and he has knowledge and power to match. A single Sith was so strong in the force he could publicly walk up to the Jedi and tell them what to do and they'd listen, none the wiser. Duplicity and influence are tenets of the Sith too and in this Sheev is almighty On another note, I really want to see how Kreia and Palpatine would interact since she's ramble and he'd just go insane
>>729718143>>729718223>couldn't even get his eye color right
Slop image of young Kreia
>>729718431>MalgusNot his fault the Sith were retarded>RevanUnironically he already defeated the Republicand then he unironically defeated himself from defeating the Republic>Exar Kunhe lost to plot>Nihilusthis dude isn't even sithhe just wants to eat everything
>>729718354This is why I respect Ian. He was the only good thing about episode 9 because he is a proper actor and goes all in. He doesn’t care about the work, the reception or anything else. He loves the craft and the silliness that comes with it.
>>729718482truein spite of what i said about palpy, i love how ridiculously evil he is
>>729718476>>729718431>RevanHe would've won if he didn't do that rule of two shit, actually
>>729718523He’s one of the best villains in media because he doesn’t need a sob story about why he’s a villain. He’s a horrible cunt, he knows it and enjoys it. It works and it’s fun
>>729718589Oh yeahI forgot how Cringeo Ren completely rips off Revan's design. It is literally just a shittier colorless version of this outfit.
>>729718589>master and apprenticebut... which is the master, and which the apprentice?
>>729718589>>729718629I was going to call bullshit but it is the hooded mask but pajamas over armor
>>729718608the classic evil wizard in a dark tower
>>729718689the one who cut off the other's jaw for thinking he was hot shit
Talking to Kreia makes me so happy. I never do dark side ending because I hate when she's disappointed in me. I love when I tell her that I'll betray her and she pats me on the head.
>>729718845>Dark Side endingShe only is disappointed if you killed one of the masters, which leads to you killing the resthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01odmtXm-jM
i can't believe people stopped talking about how stupid the lightsaber crossguard looked
>>729718845Same, I enjoy pleasing her. I liked when she was proud of me in the end
>>729718993it was stupid, but on the level of the disney trilogy, it doesn't even rank top 100 stupid, i wish the lightsaber crossguard was the only stupid shit in this entire incontinence of a trilogy
>>729719091blessed be E;R for noticing just how fucking absurd and retarded the ST was going to be from TFA alone
>>729718993>i can't believe people stopped talking about how stupid the lightsaber crossguard lookedMost people don't suffer with extreme autism, compelling them to complain about trivial shit for decades on end.
>>729719175rude
>>729719175>Hey, did you hear about that McDonald's AI Christmas ad?>THE FUCKING CROSSGUARD IN THE NEW STAR WARS TRILOGY IS STUPID
>>729718993There are much worse. At least the cross guard is based on a working design
>>729719283what
>>729718589>Reverse gripLame
>>729719297...but i liked the blastsaber it was ezra's jurryrigged joband super heated plasma would make a great projectile
>>729719337he's stylingof course he's going to attack with a normal gripstarkiller and ahsoka are the cringelord reverse grip fags
>>729719234>rude/v/'s catalog page is proof of this.
I'm going to ask here because I lost it. Anyone have the gif where the crossguard lightsaber turns into a wide sword like Gut's dragonslayer?
>>729718845>>729719018Anons, tell me about you relationship with your mother.
>>729719417man, that would've actually been cool>>729719448don'tdon't make them relive the pain
>>729719297I hate you Dave Filoni
>>729707026>Or they'll just reject it completely out of spite for youI find so amusing when i give good advices in a mocking way and my friends just do the opposite and fall harder.Then realize i was right.Niggas really don't understand logic and reason.
>>729719298Just typing out the scenario. It's right. People need a little object permanence with opinions. Just because people stopped making a case, it doesn't mean they suddenly changed their opinion.
>>729718885Which you get by doing light side endings on all the planets. It's a shame the the dark side ending isn't that great because a lot of the dark side routes on other planets are super cool. >>729719018idk why anons hate her lol. Her perspective and dialogue is so interesting. Especially compared to carth and bastilla who just wanted you to be a good girl. Kriea's machiavelian existentialism is such a breath of fresh air, even for modern games. It makes me sad we never got Ulysses as a companion in new vegas. Him chewing you out and shitting on you would've been great. The other followers are cool but they're all so nice
Something seems to be bothering Carth. Maybe you should talk to him?
>>729717643Blame Rian Johnson for killing the bad guy in the second movie of a planned trilogy.
>>729719809>planned trilogyThere was no plan, only mystery boxes.
>>729719809If it was planned properly it wouldn't have made a difference if Snoke was killed. The fact he did it and did what he wanted shows that they had no plans.
>>729714410For me, it's Krayt. >rebuilds the Sith as they originally were>takes over the galaxy>has cool spiky armor>his One Sith aesthetic is used for the Sith in swtor>was taught by one of the original Dark Jedi making him even more legitimate than Bane or Andedu
>>729714392> Midichlorians, son!
>>729719527THEY FLY NOW?!?
>>729719885>gets bullied by more based SithDarth Kraytender more like
>dark council member>just wants to fuck>retires to a palace
>>729719741Rey is just badly written as a charactertv tropes removed all pages about mary sues from the official wiki because they were talking about rey and it wasn't politically correctchatgpt has been specifically trained to say rey isn't a bad character, just misunderstood, and to give numerous excuses as to why rey isn't a bad characterit's crazy how much disney spent to bend the entire web into not admitting rey is a bad character, money spent in damage control instead of writing a... good character
>>729719931Bane's philosophy failed though? Like, there's so much hodgepodge about how Palpatine is the culmination of his teachings and the dude just gets thrown off a cliff by his apprentice for a Jedi.
>>729719931>muh rule of two>one thousand years of this master plan>eventually it results in a galactic empire>lasts for like 16 years, the sith die again and the jedi are reborn better than everlol kwab
>>729719962>tv tropes removed all pages about mary sues from the official wiki because they were talking about rey and it wasn't politically correctyou've gotta be fucking kidding me
>>729719974>>729719993That was Palpatine's fault for thinking he was above the rule. Bane's philosophy lead to near total destruction of the Jedi and was more impactful than any other Sith
>>729719962>tv tropes removed all pages about mary sues from the official wiki because they were talking about rey and it wasn't politically correctNo fucking way. That's probably the most assblasted seethe I've ever heard.
>>729720063>Palpatine is responsible for the Sith's destruction but isn't responsible for the Jedi'sokay
>>729698429No any decision you make is bad because she is a Sith Lord and is trying to manipulate you into just doing her bidding all along and any expression of independent thought makes her seethe. NPC minds are so easily mystified by her psychobabble without realizing that she had no deeper philosophy or ethics. It was all a smokescreen to get you to help her to kill all her foes, Jedi, Sith and the Force itself. Kreia was just your bog standard Sith out for revenge, simple as. She would say and do anything to achieve it and so many people just lap up her verbal vomit and get confused by her betrayal.
>>729720105Yes. Palpatine didn't come up with the grand plan, he was the one that benefited the most from it and the one able to act it out. Through his hard work and his predecessors.
>>729720168>Palpatine didn't come up with the grand planit was literally hisplagueis himself is astounded that he comes up with it on the fly when he asks him how the jedi could be destroyed
>Sith believe this would fix the Sith OrderWere they right?
how do i get kotor 2 to work under win 11?
>>729720202yesthey were too focused on torture, murder, and domination and not enough on sex
>>729720010>>729720074It's accurate, but said inaccuratly. When Rey appeared, there were numerous discussion about her being a Mary Sue. Tv Tropes created a whole new concepts of pages (the "biased" flamewar pages) and reworked the entire website just to put all Mary Sues and Rey discussion pages inside it, close the lid, and forget it.As to why they did that, well, that's the question, isn't it?
>>729720136>cannot understand philosophy and meaning>that means there is no philosophy and meaning>i'm very smartlol. lmao.
>>729720168>>729720194Come to think of it, don't Plagueis and Sidious do the most out of any Sith to put themselves in a position to destroy the Jedi? Plagueis gets in good with the trade federation thanks to his connections and Sidious real politiks his way to the top
>>729720315There isn't a lot of depth to contrarianism for the sake of it, anon.>>729720307wow
>>729718223I miss when star wars had old british actors who actually fought in ww2
>>729719448Mean, psychotic, and manipulative. After she got divorced, she made me into her little husband and raped me. I still have nightmares about it. She told me that God sent me to take care of her. But one day she had a stroke, became paralyzed, and my father got sole custody. I eventually cut her off. It's very strange to have been exposed to this aspect of humanity.
i am madwe never got a heir to the empire trilogy moviewith mara jadeand the OT trio
>>729720168>>729720194Here, watch this. AI video of Plagueis schooling Palpatine. It's a banger.https://youtu.be/0nuUWBSGZjM
>>729720407>those janky as fuck movementsLmao
>>729720407herehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-nho7EdKRYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_FefufxZ0w>>729720426i mean, it's ai
i implore everyone germanto listen to the heir to the empire audio booksthey have the original OT voices, with music, sound effectsbasically a move as an audiobookpretty cool shit
>>729720403she's palpy's used goodsshe called luke her emperor in bedshe's thinking of palpy every time she fucks him
>>729720534but she did the needful she was on jabbas ship in ep 6
>>729719962I think Daisey Ridley is legitimately charming acting as the adventuring fish out of water and Rey would have been much worse without her. As it stands, Rey still sucks and the sequels should probably be struck from canon, which I think is going to happen quietly but eventually. Not that it'll matter at this point, Star Wars is dead
>>729718431>He's not a duelistNo in all canons, Sidious is actually dueling genius and a prodigy that has mastered all forms to the fullest extent. He simply despises dueling for Sith religious reasons. He only lost to Windu because Vaapad is simply a cheat code against Sith Sorcerers. He beat Yoda in a fair fight and nobody else except Anakin in the Chosen One state could have matched him.
>who are you?>Rey>Rey who?>REY PALPATINEReminder that all the Skywalkers are dead and Palpatine WON
>>729720063>>729720407The Rule of Two was the most extremist philosophy of the Sith, and understandable given the period it was implemented. It ended with the Jedi purged and galactic domination yes, but the whole thing lasted barely 2 decades. That is pretty weak in the end. It was too strict, too rigid, ironically losing it's human emotions like the prequel jedi, so it didn't account for something like Vader killing his master to save his son.
>>729720552so she fucked him too huh
>>729697782kreia is a retarded bitch
>>729720613you bet she tugged his slimey cock
>>729720636>t.
>>729720136As we see here >>729720315 that desperately wants to see meaning where there is none.
>puts in one of the best voice acting performances in video game history>never voice acts anything again, goes back to theatre What did Kreias VA mean by this?
>>729715285Yup. There's zero benefit to playing evil in BG3, and in fact, most games. BG2 likewise just punishes you with less content. KOTOR 2 actually makes the player character significantly stronger, compared to the light side version, not just due to systemic advantage of dark vs light, but through the Exile gaining maximum force points from killing the masters. Sadly the game is too easy for this to matter too much, but I appreciate the intention.
>>729720691Perfection can only be achieved once
>Jedi Consular to Sith Mauraderhttps://youtu.be/K2iC1aCPbKA&t=69
>>729720583Reminder that Palpatine and Anakin's grandkids made out
>>729715670Low IQ. One of the first things the game discusses is the ridiculous way of categorising the world. Kreia is a sith in so far as to use the sith. Whether the Exile is light side or dark side, Kreia helps them to destroy the sith. She strives to save the universe by manipulating events to destroy Nihilus, as well as crafting a perfect student in the Exile, who has free will, and is able to fight against the true sith.
>>729720691She's very selective and found Kreia to be an interesting character. The theatre is for real acting so that's quite a compliment to the character of Kreia.
>>729720717Very wise.
INDIGNITIES
>>729720837what is this an euphemism for?
if i was a SUPREME powerful uber gigachad sith, i would make jedi padawan qts lick my dick
>>729720691>Sara KestelmanShe was cute in an interesting way when young
>>729720862rapesion wipped out his weird cracked pale dick
>>729720862>attacked by two powerful force users>they would rather destroy you with their hands than their powersshe was treated like an animal, not worthy of wasting the force on
>>729720969Could Revan do anything against these three? I know he'd at least figure out Nihilus' schtick and just wait for him to die
>>729721006revan could easily take 3 sith cocks at once
>>729705935If you had to point one thing that Avellone is drawing from with Kreia, it's Nietzsche, especially Beyond Good and Evil. The writing tone is very similar and entertaining, coupled with the Kreia (and Nietzsche) lecturing about creating your own morality. In Star Wars, there's a binary, which Kreia wants the Exile to recognize (and use), but to also retain their agency (through being a wound in the force and thus having free will). It's why she spergs out when the player just chooses the dumbest alignment increase options.
>>729721048how do you know the revan i have in mind is female????
>>729720862She was made to do the washing up.
>>729697782Three options >Mate - Your reckless actions show a lack of self control, you must learn restraint and discipline if you are to succeed >Mate with protection - Your use of condoms show lack of commitment, you will never achieve anything with half measures>No mate - Your restraint shows cowardice, one must give in to one’s desires if they are ever be in touch with themselves What are you supposed to do here?
>>729721006Revan could do anything, unless the plot was against him
>>729720917Could have starred in Planet of the Apes without makeup.
>>729720862Darth Sion told her that she was a boring old biddy
>>729720969She was an animal. So they treated her like an animal. They hated her!
>>729721121don't remind me
>>729721091Do what you like and explain your decision to KreiaAll she wants is for you to show your work.
>>729716804A combination of good writing and being a very approachable game. The latter part is due to the game being really easy, and the control scheme being simple. Compare to NWN, which is not as approachable for the average Joe.
>>729715261reminds me of this
>>729720772Oh yeah I forgot about thatPretty funny because Anakin is Palpatine's son so that kiss is incest
If she hated the force so much, why didn't she use blood transfusions to filter out as many midichlorians, effectively cutting herself off from it's influence???
>>729721048>>729721083Realtalk, female Revan's model has a ridiculously plump ass you can see in certain armor sets
>>729719552I thought DS ending was pretty cool. You stay in Malachor with your waifu and wait for students, then send them to fight the true sith.
>>729721304They didn't have that sort of technology in those days, it was the Old Republic
>>729721229These two idiots should've been cousins and a spin on Jacen and Jaina Solo.>Jacen (Kylo), the son of Han and Leia. Falls to the dark side, tempted by a force ghost Palpatine, kills Mara and goes on the run>Jaina (Rey), daughter of Luke and Mara, force wiped for her own protection and hidden discovers this (TFA) and then reunites with Luke and kill or redeem her cousin.>They are a dyad - they defeat Palpatine>Kylo dies. Rey Skywalker then continues her father's legacy in creating the JediThere you go Kathleen Kennedy. I fixed your shitty film.
>>729721340i thought you went to unknown space to fight against the real sith with revan
>>729721369That's the light side ending. Dark side has you stay in Malachor. Light side destroys Malachor.
I can't believe they canceled his showIt would have been so kino
>>729721408I went dark side and I swear you leave Malachor for Visas and the rest to train acolytes while driving off with your best friend Atton
>>729721416They would've ruined it. And it's a fucking shame because Witwer loves Star Wars and the character.
>>729721304If you were the same blood type as anikan, and transfused all his blood, would you become the strongest force user? What about organ donations? Palpatine should have been a vampire stealing people midichlorians if George was going to introduce that concept.
>>729721475>gets his own show>gets his own darth talon waifuSam Witwer is the only winner of Disney Wars
>>729721048>>729721083>>729721319tread carefullyfor such a wonderful ass leads to the darkside
>>729697782Extremely out of character, stealing the white mask guy's student and knocking her up would be a power move to mess with his head. kreia would totally be up for it and she would later complain about your lousy thrusting
>>729721436Hmm. It's been a while since I've replayed KOTOR 2, and it's hard to know what mods have changed, but I found a dark side ending video, which shows this. You can see that Malachor stays whole and no ship leaves.https://youtu.be/D4sUn61VKXE?si=yHgqIdlhMtieqBOG&t=286
>>729721509The midichlorians are a consequence of force power, not its cause. It's just an easily testable measure of strength.
Here's your canon Kotor 2 characterShe fucked Revan btw
>>729721529is that actually coming out?
>>729721561and here's your canon Revan who fucked her
>>729721561I don't care about secondary slop miles down the track. Canon Exile is Space Jesus.
>>729721561god, that was stupid>>729721534maybe i'm misremembering events
>>729721571Yeah 2026
>>729721639>inb4 cancelled
>>729721613Oh shit it's Wyll
>>729721552Ah so there like Xenus thetan levels
>>729721654animation is the one thing they consistently pump out
>>729721687holy shitthey're still going to fuck it up though
>>729721067Sure, diverting into Nietzsche's other work, you can succinctly state that Kreia's stated motivation is trying to make you into the übermensch. Correct me if I'm mistaken, but I think Nietzsche had a slightly different view on charity? Of course so did Machiavelli. Kreia has her own take that's worse than either.
>>729721619I don't think you are necessarily misremembering. I know RCM (or some other mod) adds Visas talking to you at the end. Might be that the dialogue in that hints at Exile going after Revan, but frankly, if that is the case it is in contrast with the ending cinematic and the original intention of the Exile staying there.
>>729721662Except the force isn't pay-to-win
>>729721613Sorry bro but Revan looks like this in the canon
So when's the next star wars game?
>>729721794ah, keanu reeves with mask fuse marks
>>729721794The Norwood reaper spares none, not even galactic heros...
>>729721849his force powers were too weak
>>729721843x-com clone sometime in 2026
>>729721887literally no one asked for this as a game
>>729721753Yes, Kreia is trying to craft the Exile into a form of übermensch. The Exile already kind of is that, due to being the sole being in the universe to have free will (which is why Kreia choose them). I didn't mean that Kreia's specific takes were drawn necessarily from Nietzsche (or other people), but that the tone of her dialogue and monologues is very similar to Nietzsche, especially with the humour. I also disagree with the popular video by that anime guy, which tries to tie everything to Nietzsche, and in the way misunderstands much of KOTOR 2.
>>729698926Such deep and complex choices.
>>729699263low iq post
>>729721931I did and it's the first game since SWTOR that lets the main character be an alien
>>729721967>far rightDEM PRETZELS AIGHT
Revan loved snacks
>>729721887man that's lameyou would think that the biggest franchise in history could do a bit better
>>729722008Revan understood snacks*
>>729715754If the game didn't kill her off eventually she would have given a lesson in how to please a mature woman. Maybe she did out of camera
>>729721967>it's the first game since SWTOR that lets the main character be an alienHmmm... I think I will pick the White male jedi warrior
>>729722013at least it's a game we know will be released unlike some...jedi fallen order 3 should be revealed at some point too
>>729721887I totally forgot about this. It looked cool.
>>729722013They mastered lightsaber combat literal decades agoand the original battlefront 2 is amazing>>729722046Female Twi'leks, Sith Purebloods, Zeltrons, and Zabraks are kino
>>729721932Gotcha. I just remember Nietzsche being actually kind of hard to read, so I've avoided his works. Maybe I'll power through some of them one day.
>>729722098why are they so uglywhy do they have balls on their foreheadsultimate proof twi'lek women were made for human men
>>729722080>female jadentwiliek>male jadenkel dorIt's the only way to play
>>729722164>kel dorgross bug nutsack creatures
>>729718431>KreiaShe would find a perfect student in Palpatine to the point that there little she could actually teach him, besides some extinct force techniques.
>>729722134runda dee huh dunga, koon hoonka dee?
>>729722206kys. Best jedi is a kel dor CHAD
>>729722237there is no fighting in grabbing titties so mandos would be disinterested
Mission
>>729721529why?mauls story after ep1 was shitbut he got his arc up until his actual death in rebels
>>729721091>[x] mate with kreia
>>729722134
Heres COPING fate of the old republic is the open world with choices
>>729722275To explain his story between the end of TCW and when he shows up in Solo
>>729722236nah, she'd despise palpy for being an unrepentantly sithy sithand palpy would find her fucking hilarious for bothering with finding deeper meaning in doing things and take it as evidence she's a weakling fallen jedi and not a true sith
>>729722304he looks too weird
>>729722089Nietzsche is actually pretty funny, his work is not at all dry.
>>729722265I will bounce you on my lap teenage ancient Vette>>729722297stupid sexy jailbait
>>729718608>he doesn’t need a sob story about why he’s a villain
>>729722301>choicesyeah>open worldno
>>729722308Mandalorians were and always will be bitches of the Sith.
>>729722371based>>729722387they like it too
>thread devolved into SWTOR slop and nuwars gripe/defend cycle>400 repliesI miss the days when we could just have a slow 155 post max KotOr2 thread that stayed on topic. Well its porn dump time, someone post Visas.
>>729718431>Palpatine is taught by Kreia instead of Plagueis>doesn't become a Sith Lord because she makes everything boring and tedious
>>729722437>SWTOR slophuh
>>729698429Wrong.
i forgot sith magic was a thing
>>729722313Palpatine is the Sithiest of Sith to ever Sith precisely because he didn't just succumb to rage or powerlust. He had his ambitions and used every single tool available to him, above all manipulation and patience.At best Kreia would find it a shame that he wouldn't or couldn't kill the Force meaning the galaxy at large remains enslaved to its whims.
Double xp at swtor currently btw
>>729703604>The elder mentor figure, chased and hated by their former apprentice(s), who questions the nature of the force and spits on the concept of the jedi and siththat you then defeat in the end and create a new order of jedi, so it doesn't subvert anything.
>>729722532please
Just woke up. I dreamt of Malachor again
>>729722437Best girl
>>729722613where's the cum drenched version?
>>729722509Did you ever hear... >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05dT34hGRdg
>>729722594>Translator's note: Bao-dur died offscreen.
>we must bring balance to the force by eradicating our ideological opponents that the force keeps bringing back for some reason Uh the jedi do know what "balance" means right?
>>729722702>on Malachor
>>729722265ary
>>729722727They actually don't. In the RotS novel Mace, Yoda and Obi have discussions about the fact that they can't know exactly what the Force wants or what the prophecy means.
>>729722727Destruction of the Sith.
>>729722727I would say that wasn't Lucas' intentioned but he was going to make a ST where the Sith came back soooooo>>729722670Sith Alchemy would've done Plagueis some good
>>729722727Lucas said the dark side isn’t part of the balance.
>>729722613M O A R
>>729722829
>>729722770>also the jedi>we must treat our literal Messiah as walking garbage and scold him for missing his ENSLAVED MOTHER AND NOT DO ANYTHING TO AT LEAST FREE HER
>>729722779>>729722803lucas is a retard though
>>729722803But that's retarded too cause there has never been a single year of Galactic history were the dark side didn't exist. There were always either fallen Jedi or the Sith around.
>>729722905Sounds like Kreia was right and the force should be killed
>>729722875Sounds about right. I mean the last "Messiah" to walk this earth got his ass crucified.
>>729720307>Tv Tropes created a whole new concepts of pages (the "biased" flamewar pages) and reworked the entire website just to put all Mary Sues and Rey discussion pages inside it, close the lid, and forget it.they not only did that, but they only put Mary Sues into it and rey discussions for a whileeven now, most of the pages marked/quarantined flamewar are mary sues trope pages, which is hilarious
>>729722856yes...YES
>>729722961Yeah it's an inescapable conclusion to arrive at assuming you support the idea of free will.
If I was going to write SWTOR, I'd have the invasion happen sooner but heavily imply the Exile and Revan either turned on each other or battled the Sith and just made things worse for everyone by doing so.There would be remnants of the Exile. Miraluka with strange connections to the Force following their great grandmother's directions. Hunters in certain corners of the galaxy preying on Mandalorians and the like. A split in the Jedi between viewing the Dark Side as another tool to use against the dark itself.
>>729722876Auteur*>>729722905Low IQ.>>729723024Trve, except in-universe.
>we're going to fucking kill you if you express too much happiness, joy, pleasure or love because these kinds of emotions open you up to darker emotions, young child who we abducted from your family at a young age robbing you of a normal life - accept our dogma or die!>No we don't forsee that causing any issues as you grow up and become more inquisitive
>>729721887>Mandalorian and Umbran>working for RepublicIt's so tiresome
>>729723112>you play as the empire!>immediately defect to the rebellion
>>729723107That was the what Lucas was trying to explain, but in a ham fisted way. The Jedi became far too dogmatic that they were more fundamentalist in their views of their order. If you didn’t play by the rules, you were a danger. They lacked the emotional intelligence to realise a 10 year old boy who was a slave all his life may not be able to autistically shut himself off from his past because they said it would work. It’s also why Luke’s academy was so better. Jedi as warriors and champions for good, but not insane religious celibate monks. Fuck Disney for robbing us of peak Luke and his order
I used to love KOTOR back in the day, and a lot of Star Wars media for that matter, and I just can't give a fuck anymore. It's all so samey, people only care about how cool lightsabers are and force lightning is and now I see you niggas talking about shit like Luke going super saiyan and Anakin something something "Chosen One state" and I wanna vomit. I think the only Star Wars media I have any love left for is Jedi Academy, can't wait for them to eventually release a new one of those and Disney-fy it into pure unflitered slop too. I blame Star Wars entire downfall on the lightsaber being the coolest fucking sci-fi fantasy weapon ever made-- so much so that it overshadows many other "coolest fucking things ever" in Star Wars, like the x-wing for example, god damn coolest starfighter in all of science fiction, excepting maybe the Swordfish. Take me back to the days of games like Rogue Squadron and hell, even that fuckin Podracing game. I want to say "stop making everything about the fucking lightsabers" but I know in my heart that I, too, yearn for the lightsaber. Star Wars media feels wrong without them, but I'm also so fucking sick of them. Thank you for coming to my TED talk
>>729723328In the current year the only way to enjoy things is headcanon.
>>729723328where's kyle?>>729723340they turned a lightsaber through the gut into a minor inconvenience
why can't the sith ever just win?the dark side kotor ending was so cooland then kotor 2 just has revan fucking off
>>729723394Having sex with Tavion
>>729723328Wait a minute. Is that Kyle fucking Katarn I espy with my own eyes?
>>729723463his twi'lek wife won't like thator is she dead or something?
>>729723463Don't care about her, gimme Alora that teasing red skank.
The best Star Wars game made this decade
>>729723328>his jedi students took down Exar Kun and Marka fucking Ragnos permanentlyKNEEL
>>729723496Jan was never a Twilek you daft cunt.
>>729723394>where's kyle?Here's you dumb idiot
>>729723547>my force powers are greater than- ACK
>>729723603rude>>729723601i only ever played academyshe never showed up
>>729723603
>Juyo and Niman practitioners were universally the most powerful lightsaber duelists
>>729723641Outcast is worth a playthrough. But yeah, Jan is a feisty human woman, no idea where Twilek came from.
>>729723676Sigh..... would.
>>729723437They basically won and ruled for eons. More than once.Also won and destroyed the Republic in the films.
>>729723756jesus, anon
>>729703285That's seriously good writing and pretty enlightening that even Kreia herself doesn't consider herself leader worthy.
>>729723756>viewers like you also enjoyed: halbean
>>729723834not really
>game has Grey Jedi robes>there is no special dialogue for being neutral>no special Prestige Classes>you just get less content
>>729723914weaker toothe special crystal increases in power with your force alignment
>>729723880It’s mostly backstory & lore and they’re presented as the bad guys to be defeated, but it’s there
>>729723328>They lacked the emotional intelligenceI would say they lacked an essential understanding of humanity; this is, amusingly, what Qui-Gon rejected about the Order, but was too respected (and powerful, I think) to simply send him packing.The Jedi Order was no longer equipped to deal with a hard case like Anakin because they simply had not needed to in millennia.A lot of people did not get it then, do not get it now, and moreover, only understand the flanderization since then, like >>729723107.
>>729722265
>>729723914>>729723939it's to teach you to not be a fence sitter.
>>729723914Fence sitters garner no prestige, so it makes sense.Those who are prestigious are forced to pick a side even if they’re not extremists.
>>729723914Say one of these light side or dark side things or fuck off.
>>729723880>Episode 4 didn't start with the Sith having straight up won
