>clearly repentant and regretful for what happened to nerevar>truly cares for the people of morrowind>willing to right the wrongs in the temple, stops oppressing dissident priests>helps the nerevarine destroy the heart, accepts the loss of his power for the good of morrowindwhy is vivec so hated? as far as gods go in TES, hes clearly benevolent towards mortals.why is vivec so hated?
>>729700280my bad for the double sentence, captcha was pissing me off
Yes but i need his 1000 souls for my kickass oblivion crisis daedra waraxe that deals 50 pts of poison in 5 seconds and blinds 100% in 3 second on hit
To all my N'wah's who hit in the back who wanna have sex with no strings attached make noise!
Kirkbride turned him into a mary sue, I hated him too before playing Morrowind
>>729700280>put the biggest fucking boulder ever on top of xis city instead of throw that shit away to outer mundus or something>"if y'all ever stop worshipping me this shit would fall lol">people worshiped xim instead of the three daedric princegee i wonder why xe is so hated in the game
>>729700280because during his entire 4 thousand years of life, he never once took initiative to do the right thing. he was always just on the sideline, watching, and doing the bare minimum. Vivec is still the same unconfident kid he always was; never putting in any real work, and just waiting for things to fall in his lap.
>>729700720>Fat Man Scoop references in the year of our lord 2025What a world... Time to look up that massive tune
>He may have propped up a false religion and slaughtered all the dissidents for centuries but he said he was sorry!*>*after he realized his power was waning and that there was no way to defeat the Sixth House without destroying the Heart
>>729700280>>clearly repentant and regretful for what happened to nerevarSad that Nerevar died in battle and couldn't defend him?
>>729700280You forgot the part where he holds his city (and vvardenfell as a whole) hostage with a floating meteor
>>729700280His character highlights what happens when a deeply flawed man achieves godhood. He was in over his head and he fucked up big time. Like, he well and truly fucked up, he fucked up harder than anyone has fucked up before.Also I thought it was perfect writing how at the end of Tribunal, Azura tells you that Vivec is still alive and you can do what you want with him. The questline is officially over at that point and the entire overarching plot of the game is over. The Tribunal is done for. Vivec is on his way out and if you think he still deserves to be mercy-killed after all that, then it's up to you. There's no glory or flashy new story content to be found in killing him. Just do whatever feels right to you.
>>729700280Vivec was a degen coomer locked away in his tower. He desperately used every moment he wasn't sucking and fucking to keep the Nerevarine prophecy from coming true. Then at literally the last possibly chance, on the veritable eve of Nerevar reborn coming to eviscerate him and surgically remove wraithguard from his emaciated yoga mom corpse, he said "oopsie". What a turbo cuck cop out. The equivalent of an ancient man baby playing "stop hitting yourself" for millenia, then shitting and pissing himself that his ass would get kicked the moment the tables turned. When I play I don't even lower myself by killing him. No punishment is possibly worse for a sex addicted narcissist than to fade into obscurity as the person you tried to keep down surpasses you in every metric. Pathetic.
>>729700280he's been a liar for too long that i cannot trust his word. and there is enough evidence to show he isn't as sincere as he presents himself.>>729700946this for example
>>729702359>stranger in an alien land>hated by everyone he meets>completely useless at everything at the beginning>only friends are a gay skooma addict and fargoth>unwittingly forced into prophecy >by the end, immortal and virtually unstoppable>kills 3 gods singlehandedly>decides to colonize akavir by himselfis there a bigger chad in gaming? everything the nerevarine achieves he had to work for through intense hardship
>>729702517Ahnassi is cannonically the Nerevarine's only friend. Nah, I'm just kitten! Pretty spot on analysis anon.
>>729702517don't forget he ends up uniting the great houses and tribes of the people that hated him.playing morrowind as a dunmer is so fucking kino bros, like all the people that hate you are actually YOUR people and you're their long-lost son returning home. fuck i wish i could play this game for the first time again
>>729702897playing as an argonian or khajit is more kino. in my headcanon azura got so pissed at the tribunal she sent a race the dunmer see as farm equipment to be their savior
>>729700280Letting Vvardenfell blow up does tend to harm your reputation
>>729702517>>729702897Maybe if you're a total fucking bitch.Imperial + The Lady, everyone kissed my ass from Seyda Neen to the Heart Chamber.If anything, my Nerevar is even more of a chad than (You). Swooces right in like he owns the place then swooces right out actually owning it. Vivec? Tribunal? Dagoth? Yeah, whatever bitch, I'm off to curbstomp some snakemen.
>>729700338nbd anon, it's actually a good rhetorical technique to repeat a question like that to hammer it homeAlso he's hated for what he fucking did to Nerevar HIS FRIEND it was disgusting. I don't care he regrets it, he belongs in a crystal powering an enchantment.
>>729702517>>729702897>>729702987I play as a nord only, and headcanon that I stop the plague before the filthy dunmer infect Skyrim, and in the end when my character is worshipped, I make the dunmer cede land to the nords of Skyrim, and have the dunmer be the nords puppets, also force Morrowind to take all the unwanted non-nord migrants from Skyrim.
>>729702987the nerevarine is a man of his own making. azura's prophecy could be total bullshit, and in that case you'd just be playing as a lizard guy who wants to humiliate the dunmer. too cynical and mean spirited for my tastes
>>729702897I have no idea what kind of skooma these other n'wahs are smoking, but you're right sera. Dunmer Nerevarine is the most poetic option.
>>729703358Azura's Prophecy is almost certainly total bullshit.She's a spiteful, manipulative bitch that is upset that an entire race stopped worshiping her. There is no "Nerevar reborn" it's a ruse she evidently kept using over and over until eventually someone competent came in and whipped the Tribunal into submission.
False prophets that fail don't mean that the actual nerevarine isn't real and that he won't succeed.There's a logical fallacy in there, that a prophecy is fake because sometimes people try to make it come true and fail before it really happens.
Yea yea, that's nice. Now shut up and kill Vivec.
>>729704165The prophecy is made up by the Daedric prince of vanity. If you take out the Tribunal guess who the Dunmer are going to start worshiping again.Put two and two together.
>>729700280As far as the AMSIVI goes he's not Almalexia levels of batshit insane and evil but he "cares" for the Dunmer in the same way a controlling spouse "cares" for their significant other. And I'm not sure he's repentant either. I mean, he established and maintained a secret police force to watch his citizens and kill anyone who claims to be the Nerevar. He only really relents once he realizes that Dagoth Ur is going to destroy the Tribunal anyway, and trying to work with you is his only real chance of survival. And his lordship over the Dunmer really does them no favors. Even beyond the whole secret police business, you realize he never actually stopped the meteor that's hurling at Vivec City right? It's still going full speed. He just "paused" it in time. That way if the Dunmer ever turned on him he could "unpause" it and annihilate a major settlement and a decent chunk of Vvardenfell. Vivec isn't some mad tyrant like Almalexia but he's not ruling the Dunmer out of the goodness of his heart. It's why he betrayed Nerevar to begin with, he couldn't imagine letting go of power, even if it was just because he died of old age.
>>729704409Another logical fallacy, that a prophecy must be fake because the one who makes the prophecy stands to benefit from the prophecy coming true.The veracity of a prophecy rests entirely on whether it comes true or not. Azura's Prophecy was true.
>>729700280>crntmwtdhpWhat did OP mean by this?
>>729703963at the end of the day, whether the prophecy is real or not is intentionally left ambiguous so whatever you believe is ultimately your opinioni will say, people do make the mistake of just accepting the prophecy at face value. i think those people should replay the game in a new light and try to poke holes in the prophecy themselves. it might make them appreciate the game more
>>729702897I play as a Nord because Azura thought it would be funny.
>>729704696It's a self fulfilling prophecy, the only reason it "comes true" is because you're given a checklist of shit to work through.Hell, you can sidestep all of that shit and have Yagrum fix Wraithguard for you after doming Vivec.
>>729703963If the prophecy isn't real, then why did it come true?
>>729702987I like Imperial for a similar reason. The Imperial/Dunmer enmity reminds me a lot of the Roman/Jewish enmity around the time of 0AD. The jews wanted a conquering messiah to save them from the humiliation of being occupied by people they saw as their lessers, but Jesus fought spiritual battles instead of physical ones. But in their pride, the Jews rejected him and followed a false messiah who ended up taking on the mantle of a conqueror. To quite disastrous results I should add. Despite initial success, the Emperor Titus would basically destroy the province of Judea and massacred it's inhabitants. They were then exiled throughout the Empire, resulting in Jewish diaspora and the loss of the original language of Hebrew and a definitive edition of the Torah.Similarly, the Dunmer faithful see the Nerevar as the deliverance of the Ashlander tribes and the destroyer of false Gods and Emperors. But it's clear that Ashlander cults and tribal traditions are a dead end. They barely survive as raiders, even centuries after the Dunmer became civilized. They make their living as raiders, and eventually the settled Dunmer will get fed up and destroy them, if not the Imperials. And the Tribunal are little better. As pretenders they can't even keep their province independent, and for all their godly power they can't even stop Dagoth Ur. An Imperial Nerevar is rejected by both the Ashlander cultists and the AMSIVI nationalists, but he overcomes those flawed beliefs and rallies the people against the true threat.
>>729700280>FOUL MURDER
>>729700280it was the boss room vibes
>>729705324But the whole uniting the tribes bullshit was redundant filler chore, just to make you walk around the map, and waste your time reading irrelevent things to the plot. The tribes, and the houses did fuckall, and one's character had to solo Dagoth Ur, and his minions.
>>729705253The validity of the prophecy puts the whole "the Nerevarine mantled Indoril Nerevar" line of thought into question. If the prophecy is false then Nerevar was never a part of anything meaning there is no line for the Nerevarine to follow to mantle him.If the player isn't literally Indoril Nerevar then the prophecy is a sham. The only proof that the Nerevarine is Nerevar is the ability to wear the Moon and Star, which is effectively an artifact of Azura, the same Daedric prince that came up with the prophecy then told you how to carry it out.
Go murder someone then tell the judge you're sowwy :(
>>729705860>the same Daedric prince that came up with the prophecy then told you how to carry it outHow much more real can a prophecy be if the literal Goddess of Fate and Prophecy decreed it to be so? There's an argument to be made that the player character is just coincidentally fulfilling aspects of the prophecy, especially early on when the Blades are trying to pull a Bene Gesserit deal, but that falls apart when Azura directly speaks to the player and calls him the Nerevar. And then tells you that you've fulfilled your destiny and are thus free from the chains of prophecy after defeating Dagoth Ur. Were we supposed to literally watch Indoril Nerevar's soul reincarnate into the PC's body? The game even tells you that you've broken the prophecy when you kill an essential NPC.
>>729700280He's an annoyinb cryptic pretentious retard who pretends to have achieved spiritual enlightenment and wrote a bunch of gay fanfiction about himself.
>>729700946>>729701931The meteor is not even floating. It's not frozen in space, it's frozen in TIME, so when he died, it didn't just fall, it sped back up to cosmic velocity and and struck vvardenfell like a nuke
>>729706473Why not just hollow it out lol.
>>729700280He lied about everything in his booksHe lied about his powersHe lied to his own peopleHe got turned into Sheogorath's whoreHe abandoned his people to die when his gaping asshole couldn't take any more SheodickHe is portrayed as the biggest little bitch and maiden in distress in TESO, but the second you help him recover, all his bravado comes back, he again becomes an asshole full of himself
>>729706203Because the Daedra are just so trustworthy, right?Again, Azura is the prince of VANITY. The entirety of the Dunmer worshiped her and now they don't and haven't for millennia, she's going to be sour about that and she clearly is. Yes, Azura is also the prince of prophecy, but that doesn't mean the prophecy has any sort of real weight, she could just pull it out of her ass.>The game even tells you that you've broken the prophecy when you kill an essential NPCYou can still finish the game. If the same conclusion can be reached following the prophecy or not then how true can the prophecy be? And don't hit me with "oh that's just a safeguard for players to be able to finish the game", the game literally tells you to reload a save file despite there being a real alternative. Bethesda takes their weird game-isms seriously, look at the Warp in the West.
>>729706473>>729706706Yeah if they could excavate a prison system inside of it then why not just tear the whole thing apart and scatter the smaller pieces across some remote area. What did the novel say about this?
>>729706706>>729706953The novel is not canon, Vivec died near the end of the third age. As to the question, "why not just deconstruct the meteor", it was considered holy, and trying to destroy it would be heresy against the tribunnal.
>>729706953>get stone super cheap for some reason>build my house out of it>one day>for no reason>totally randomly>the entire thing accelerates and sets off a essentially a nuclear bomb in my neighborhoodUhh hollowing it out isn't that great an idea unless you put it in the ocean, and even then...
>>729707141>build my house out of itI clearly never said that, you little fucker. Though they could have presented the stones as building materials and sold them to Nords instead.
>>729707262Nords are too smart for that. Their ancestral blood memories would tell them anything the dunmer sold them would be cursed. AND THEY'D BE RIGHT.I also never said you said that retard but what do you think people would do with a disassembled meteor? Obviously they'll use it for building material or as stones to throw at outlanders. Both result in problems down the line.
>>729707141>unless you put it in the ocean, and even then...Dreugh paratroopers#RememberRuddyMan
>>729707141Send the stone to some enemy race, pretending it's a tribute of building material. Or even better, make millions of necklaces out of it, and add some enchanted ornament to them, that would make those people want to wear the necklaces, in the future they all get decapitated...
I wonder what was Sheogorath's reaction when he saw his prank rock deliver the punchline after so long and why didn't Azura do anything to prevent her people from getting nuked after the defeat of the tribunal?
>>729707427lol that is exactly what I was thinking, too. Great way to start a massive land vs sea war with the dreugh.>>729707536Ok NOW we're talking.Imagine every imperial and subhuman race wearing the "we're the best" necklace "stolen" from the glorious Dunmer...Better than the disappearance of the dwemer.
>>729707420>what do you think people would do with a disassembled meteor? Obviously they'll use it for building materialWell if they knew beforehand that it was gonna go nuclear at any moment then somehow I don't think they'd do that.
>>729707701Big Dick Sheeve is more powerful than Azura
>>729708184Who would tell them? Vivek?HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA
