Crazy that Hollow Knight became the standardbearer for "Metroidvania" when pic related exists
What does B have besides cool aesthetics and music?
>>729716520Blasphemous just isn't as fun, simple as
>>729716757The bosses are "worse" (it's obviously designed to be oldschool) but I had more fun exploring it than HK, probably in no small part due to HK's map being dog shit.
>>729716520This shit is actual garbage. it's the slowest, most sluggish and clunky metroidvania you will ever play.and while hollow knight is shallow, antiquated and cheap looking.. at least its shitty flash stick drawings are consistently shitty.Blasphemous has several retarded incompetent "pixel artists" making messy unrefined shit, who don't know how to shade things, what direction their light is coming from, how many color bands to use and how to shape and structure them..and then they have some contractors who actually DO know how to make pixel art meaning the rest of the game (the 90% of it made by the shit talentless pixel artists) looks blatantly unfinished in contrast to the few good assets.
>>729716725Level and world design
>>729716520Hungry Knight/Hollow Knight was earlier
>>729716940kek
>>729716520>>729716520>Crazy that Hollow Knight became the standardbearer for "Metroidvania" when this mid game that would be way better as a standard platformer existsNot really seeing what's so crazy here.
>>729717074When I think of Metroidvanias I think of Ori: WoWWhen I thinking of slop I think of hollow knight and blasphemous.
They fired their best artist because he was fucking russianFuck these retards
>>729718635I don't think that's legal according to Spanish legislation.
>>729717172WotW is dogshit
>>729716520>Worse bosses>Worse gameplay>Worse quests>Worse atmosphere>5 hours longWhat a shocker
>>729717214kek
>>729716520blasph is like a S tier flash game but paying any money for it feels like too muchit's too bogged down and not as fun as the average metroidvania
>>729716904Hollow Knight's map is incredible.>oh noooo I have to actually explore and pay attention for a little bit! UI save me!
>>729716520Both are dogshit.I miss when Metroidvanias were about comfy exploration and leveling up with exp instead of pressing the dodge roll button correctly. Dark Souls is cool and all but does literally EVERY Metroidvania have to be a shitty 2D Dark Souls clone?
>>729717172Will of the Wisps shamelessly copies Hollow Knight bro, Blind Forest's combat was hot garbage and the world design was way more linear.
>not pedo-coded>no spike hallways>no pogo bullshit>no airdashingDOA, how is a speedtuber supposed to milk this?
>>729718945>Metroidvanias were about comfy exploration and leveling up with expSuper Metroid doesn't even have a experience points or a leveling system of any kindRPG mechanics in genders that have nothing to do with RPGs are a clutch for lazy designers and players alike
>>729716520Blasphemous is slow as fuck and it's exploration atrocious. Hell, Nine Sols is everything it tries to be, and even more "hardcore" if you ignore it's a bunch of furries.
>>729718945>I miss when Metroidvanias were about comfy exploration and leveling up with expthere's like a hundred metroidvanias that are like that>instead of pressing the dodge roll button correctlyso you preferred when the games were easy and you could just facetank?SotN hasn't gone anywhere bro you can replay it whenever
>>729718945>comfy explorationSo Hollow Knight?>levelling upShut the fuck up vaniacuck. The metroidbros are talking.
>>729718945>heh look at me I'm being an epic contrarian x)guaranteed replies
>>729718991>if you ignore it's a bunch of furriesthat's kind of a big ask
>>729716520It's honestly just too easy. You can defeat most bosses with just two-three casts of debla if you spec right. Some of NG+ bosses were challenging and very fun, but they all were from dlcs they came too late.
>>729718985That's because Metroid was the prototype for the genre and Castlevania was the culmination/perfection. >>729719000>there's like a hundred metroidvanias that are like thatName 5 released in the last decade. It's all rollslop.
>>729719073>Name 5 released in the last decadeName 5 Metroidvanias released ever that don't include a dodge mechanic. Like you said, normal Metroid doesn't count
>>729718958>Blind Forest's combat was hot garbageSo is Hollowknights.WotWs DMC inspired combat is far superior.
>>729716520what's crazy is people thinking this game is good when even the weebshit ender lilies games are better
This year I played many Metroidvanias, including Biogun, Grime, La-Mulana, Gato Roboto, Shantae and the Seven Sirens, Astalon Tears of the Earth, Islets, Crypt Custodian, Monster Sanctuary, and Pipistrello.I think my favorite was Pipistrello, but Astalon was very good.
>>729719054Well, it's furries killing furries in brutal and sadistic ways. Just imagine it's Crash bandicoot doing it or something
WHY was the sequel so forgettable? On paper it did everything better than the first game but it was just so... meh.
>>729716520Because Blasphemous is a terrible game, having a good art style can't carry it when everything else is dog shit.
>>729719471How's the sequel at least?I agree the first game is super whatever
>>729719442no sovlhaving 100%'d both, the 2nd game has very few memorable bosses, both in gameplay and design. "big guy with a spear" "lady with a rapier" "big nigga and little nigga" "guy with a sword". the only two actually cool bosses imo are svsona, and the 1000 faces thing.plus while the weapon switching adds to the exploration, it doesnt work well during bosses, because for two out of 3 weapons youre being penalized for switching (the charge for rapiers and sword goes back to 0). if i could continuously switch and build charges for them, it'd be a lot more fun than just keeping 1 weapon active at all times
This one seemed to filter a lot of people? Like they literally changed how the levels worked, not the bosses, because FUCKING CASUALS didnt like the difficulty.
>>729719442iirc I dropped it upon seeing that the first enemy was a reused asset from the first game. Could tell it would be shit just from that.
>>729719442Atmosphere lost
>>729716520Fine. Recommend me a good Metroidvania.
>>729720312ifi can recall, they reused about 3 enemies from the first one.on the other hand, going through the dilapidated mother of mothers was sorta fun, though, it was very obviously fanservice
>>729720423Batman: Arkham Asylum.
>>729716520I thought we were past the "hating popular thing" phase with blasphemous. Is it getting a third installment or something?
>>729720512I don't like capeshit premises
>>729720550They just announced a 3D fighting game.
>>729720423Islets
>>729716520I think the art style and slower pace probably filtered a lot of people. I remember liking Blasphemous a lot more myself. To the point I never even finished Hollow Knight. But clearly that's a minority opinion.
blasphemous 1 and 2 are amazing and I don't care what contrarian redditors say
>>729720672I know that's a joke but I'd be up for that. Just to see the kind of fucking mess that would end up.
>>729716520There hasn't been a good metroidvania since Symphony of the Night
>>729720761This, the complaints about Blasphemous 1 ITT make no fucking sense. Bunch of 4contrarian retards.
>>729720820Hollow Knight and >>729720512. Metroid Prime too.
>>729720423Bō: Path of the Teal Lotus
>>729720423Lords of Shadow 2After I got tired of replaying all the igavanias and Bloodstained, I went through basically all the famous stuff. Shantae comes a close second, if only because of its cutesy art style and music.It all comes full circle back to CV. LoS 2 and the BamHam games are the best this genre has to offer so far, throw in Lament of Innocence and Curse of Darkness too if you haven't played them already.If you want some 2D good ones that unfortunately don't last as much, there is the Strider reboot and DuckTales remastered. Maybe the Mummy Demastered too.
>>729720939>Batman>MetroidvaniaI dislike this meme
>>729716520Blasphemous is shit
>>729721023It can't be helped, it is what it is.Metroid Prime itself is more of a Doomvania than a Metroidvania like its 2D counterparts.
>>729721019Oh, almost forgot.Besides Bloodstained being Iga's own SOTN clone, the second closest clone if you want more of the same is Deedlit.https://youtu.be/oEIhm-X9JzU
>>729721363That actually does look interesting. Though do you need to have played or read anything in the Record of Lodoss War to get what's going on?
>>729716520Played both, enjoyed both.Both are good and both are massively overrated.>>729718635Any source for that one? I like my hate to be backed up by evidence, its more real then.>>729718708>legality>as if that stopped anyone from anythinglel
>>729716520>Ugh, blasphemous is sooooo slow and clunkySame kind of slack jawed faggots that get filtered by old Mon Hun I bet. Absolutely spoiled rotten.
>>729721512Fortunately none, it's pretty much self-contained. It does have references to the source so if you watched the anime you'll get to OOOHH at stuff, but you aren't missing anything if you didn't and can always go back to watch it after you beat the game and retroactively realize what the references mean.
>>729720761>>729720906Yeah. Basically, no one can actually identify why Blasphemous did poorly compared to Hollow Knight beyond things that aren't actually meaningful, substantial, or useful, boiling down to>"w-well I PERSONALLY like Hollow Knight, therefore it's just like... BETTER, OK!? JEEZ!!!"Which ultimately indicates that it was just luck, and nothing to do with the actual qualities of either game, that saw one succeed and one fail.
>>729719442I had the same experience. Gameplay wise it was better, but it had none of sovl or atmosphere. The 1st game had a lot of bullshit, but going through it felt worth it for me, the 2nd game had far less bullshit, but made me question why do I even bother playing it.
>>729721535do you trust reddit?
>>729721682>being this obtuseIt had all to do with the graphics and themes.One is a bloody, gory, heavily Christian themed (catholic even?) game, literally called *blasphemous*.Other is cute cartoony bugs with "le dark and grim backstory".The game that scared fewer people away got more popular, who would've guessed?Blasphemous always was aimed at a niche, Hollow Knight is aimed at way more people.
>>729721939tl;dr - it had fuck all to do with the actual GAME and came down to shallow bullshit. The better game did not win - the game that was better at fooling normalfags into "feeling" certain abstract and unfounded emotions did.
>>729719442Oh, but the Eviterno fight was really fun once you learned it. Though I also forgot about it until now, so it goes to show that even the good elements were kind of forgettable.
>>729720423I'm looking at these but I'm also considering HAAK and Auridia. Thoughts?
>>729721981>tl;dr - it had fuck all to do with the actual GAME and came down to shallow bullshit.Would you play a hypothetical masterclass metroidvania if it was plastered with leftie propaganda a'la black lives matter, trans rights, etc? I wouldn't. Call that shallow if you want, but having preferences and standards is a thing.Similarly, many people just don't like extreme gore, and won't buy a game that features a lot of it. There's no reason to get angry. When you aim at a niche, you alienate everyone outside of that niche, t h a t ' s t h e p o i n t.
This is why the sequel is soulless and why the ruskie pixel artist got sacked.
>>729719305>weebshitgookshit
>>729716520Clearly you didn't play this game before they patched it after a year.This game was borderline unplayable and my god, the voice acting.It's launch most likely did a severe number on the game
>>729723189>my god, the voice acting.Oh now this is definitely a legit gripe. Original dub was god awful. However I complete forgive it because the subsequent Spanish dub was absolute kino.
>>729722673>"proud to have a trans inclusive feminist team">look it up>https://thegamekitchen.com/contact-us/>its trueWell, to the trash they go, not playing any of their games ever again.For comparison I looked up the Hollow Knight devs and didn't find anything like that on their page, but if anyone has any dirt, do share it.
>>729722673Same reason Kenshi 2 is never coming out btw.
>>729719001There is no way Hollow Knight is comfy when you die to 3 hits
>>729723961>lets make really nice levels and backgrounds that make you want to slow down and take it all in>and now lets fill those places with tons of aggressive enemies that kill you in 3 hits and can combo you into spikesFor every good thing Hollow Knights do, they just HAVE to shoot itself in the foot somewhere else.
