Is MP4 the worst mainline Nintendo game in like two decades? Literally no one likes it.
>>729721058Probably. It's pretty clear that even Nintendo had no faith in it themselves, note how muted the marketing was compared to Donkey Kong Bananza, Kirby Air Riders (a spinoff title that was a sequel to a game that performed poorly on Gamecube, I might add), and Pokemon Legends Z-A. I don't think I've ever seen Nintendo throw what should be a marquee title under the bus like that. I have to assume someone at Kyoto knew it was unsalvageable.
at least people continued discussing other m. but mp4 is mid and everyone has stopped caring.
>>729721058>Literally no one likes it.Think whatever you want.
Wii Music came out in 2008. You now remember Wii Music. You now remember Nintendo's E3 2008. I now realize that starting tomorrow, people born in 2008 can post on 4chan.
>>729721058No, god no OP.Super > AM2R = Fusion > Prime 2 > Prime 4 = Prime 1 > Metroid 1 > Prime Hunters > Dread > Prime 3 > Samus Returns > Prime Pinball = Zero Mission > Federation Force > Metroid 2 = Other M
It's a great game. It's just that it's cool to hate nintendo this year so all the eceleb shitters are leaning into it
>>729721058>Is MP4 the worst mainline Nintendo game in like two decades?Wii Music exists, so no.
>DURR WII MUSICNot a good game to use here, because that game WAS "like" two decades ago.
>>729721058Prime isn't mainline
>>729728783Is that really the copout we're going with to absolve it of its critical and potential sales shortcomings?
bomp
>>729722648>note how muted the marketing was compared to Donkey Kong BananzaBut Bananza's marketing was already low-key.
It's not as bad as Final Fantasy 16
>>729733431doubt thatalso final fantasy gets a new game every few years so who cares
>>729721058I know people who bought the Switch 1 just because of the MP4 teaser and it was teased at the end of MP3 which was 18 years ago, so it burns a lot more than your average mediocre nintendo release
>>729728556Amiibo Festival was 10 years ago then, you pedantic fuck. Or Mario Party 10, or Starfox Zero. WiiU's, post-2014 output is gonna hold that crown for another decade easy.
>>729729203he dgaf dude he just wants to shitpost
>two decadesX/Y did more damage to Pokemon than Prime 4 did to Metroid. Metroid always recovers.
>>729721058Ordinarily I would say it is hyperbole but Nintendo absolutely sent this one out to die.
>>729725493>Prime 4 = Prime 1fals-->Metroid 1 > DreadOh you're just retarded.
>>729721058No, Metroid Prime isn't even the mainline series it's a sub series.Also Star Fox Zero exists.
>>729736281Metroid on NES is a goat.
>>729736203X/Y was the last Pokemon gen I liked. I dropped Moon in a matter of hours and everything since has looked even worse. I don't even care anymore at this point.
>>729721058You fucking retard, of course youtubers will say it's shit to get views. Being negative and having a negative title/thumbnail will ALWAYS get you more views then if you say the game is mediocre. Especially nowadays you dumb fucking troglodytes will watch any negative review like it's "what the people think" when it's just what the most vocal people want to say publicly to try and get a stupid ass sponsorship in their next dumbass fucktard video. All these dumb fucks will just sheep to whatever the most popular opinion is to jump on the bandwagon and get all the retards in the comment to agree with them for more engagement.
>>729721058>Hey you guys NEW game is the WORST game EVORZ! Getting tiresome
>>729736413I think Zero is better :)
>>729736594Gotta farm that engagement.
>>729721058I think Kirby Star Allies is worse. Launch version. I hear people say a bunch of the addon content made it better but it was so fucking boring I couldn't be bothered to return to it
>>729723105No one talks about Other M anymore either. >>729728556Lets not act insulting about this.>>729729203>>729735897OP asked for mainline specifically and referred to Prime 4 as such, that Anon is pointing out the OP is objectively incorrect about Prime being a mainline series.Also critically Prime 4 has been considered above average, below great, and no, video essays only count as audience reviews, not critical.As for sales it's too early to tell.As someone who never played Prime 4, have no plans to and don't even want a Switch 2 i expect the game to sell enough to warrant more Metroid games in the future yet low enough for Nintendo to rethink the franchise. (Assuming they're not doing that since before the game's release due to the recent interview stating how bad the development for the game was.) >>729733513Well the point and question from the OP isn't that a franchise gets new games it's asking if there has ever been a Nintendo game in a mainline series that is worse than Prime 4.I don't know why that guy answered with Final Fantasy 16 though considering that's not Nintendo.>>729736261This. I wonder if they did it because they really have little interest in Metroid or because they couldn't wait to be able to ignore Prime 4 in favor of a new Metroid game.
>mfw Myles proved to be exactly what everybody was worried about within the first 20 seconds of meeting him I fucking hate whedonization so much
>>729736281Lets be nice now..>>729736579While i agree with the overall message here i will say that your post is overly toxic and really feels like you're new here and trying too hard to fit in.Also it's hard to actually read what exactly is the point of your message when it's covers in so many curse words and insults. I eventually understood what you were trying to say but it had to really decipher what it was under all of that toxicity.>sponsorshipI don't understand why companies sponsor channels that are so negative and only exist to spread more positivity. It's not like fans of those channels would ever be interested in those products so all they're doing is enabling more negativity.They should sponsor channels that are more positive with fanbases more willing to try out their products.
>>729737371Oh fuck off retard, nobody cares.
>>729722648It's uncanny how Sakamoto made every mistake this game did but chose not to step in at any point and keep this game from getting nuked
I want a Metroid game where Samus is actually a bounty hunter, hunting bounties for money and is an anti hero. I want Boba Fett but woman, not JSDF recruit with a chigyu sidekick
>>729736281I could see liking NEStroid over dread. It actually has proper exploration without railroading you 24/7 and no shitty stealth segments Prime 1 equal to prime 4 is beyond (heh) retarded, though
I'm still pissed that instead of refining and improving the Screw Attack, they just put in a fucking motorcycle
>>729736825I think Metroid Zero Mission SUCKS
>>729738049They didn't do that they where handed the breath of the wild engine and reused the bike.
>>729738284And they still decided to leave out the Screw Attack
>>729737531Like i said, be polite. You might not care now but you will sooner or later.By the way, what is that clover on your post for? What does it mean?I'll just hover my mouse cursor over it and see if it will let me know what it me->pass user since 2013Geez oh man Anon, how much money have you spent on this site?I hope you can actually afford it and if you can then that explains why you're not nice, money has courrpted you.I honestly legit feel sorry for you, you poor soul, rest your spirit and find peace in this world.I recommend taking a break from the internet, using that money to donate to a good cause and spend time with your family.
>>729737898I just can't get over Metroid's massive map with repeating corridors. I beat Ridley and turned off the game because it's basically over at that point and I was too exhausted to go back up and through Tourian. >>729738463>newfag triptard doesn't know how passes work>is also poorSAD
>love Metroid Prime trilogy>man I wish they would make another one of those>Prime 4 gets announced fuck yeah>excitedly wait another 5 years>it finally releases>it's shitI should've really learned this lesson by now
>>729738610>exhausted>from a game that's 30 minutes long
Can we just be done with the fucking Galactic Federation. Every time, and I mean EVERY TIME they're involved Metroid takes a nosedive.>Map design in Fusion>The entirety of Other M>Fed fights in Prime 3>the fucking EMMIs>The obnoxious NPCs in Prime 4>FEDERATION. FORCE.Might as well move to the Kriken Empire. Can't be any worse, and I say this knowing they're soulless bugs.
>>729739707>FEDERATION. FORCE.what about it?
>>729739842Hm? Did I not get the memo? Has enough time passed that people look at FF with nostalgia?
>>729738610I've been here for almost a decade now.In fact with how hard you're trying to fit in with all of this toxic behavior i gotta say it seems like you're more new than what you claim me to be.
>>729739983it's kino now
>>729739983Not enough people bought the game for that to happen, people simply don't care anymore.
>>729739707Raven Beak is awesome.
>>729739707Are chozo really that huge?
>>729736384Krystal Ball
>>729721058It’s a 10/10. Normalfags not liking it is a very good sign. You should know this by now, retard.
>>729740910NTA but I never played it. The sheer disappointment of waiting some 6 or 7 years hoping that Metroid wasn't dead after Other M only to be hit with this was enough to eject it from my memory on reveal. I'm sure it's fine to someone with no expectations but experiencing the years long drought leading up to its release made it instantly feel like some kind of farce.
>>729741282I hope they make a mainline entry where you play as a trooper leading a squad, still getting a few ability upgrades.
>>729738049They could've used the Speed Booster. They considered using the Speed Booster. They did not use the Speed Booster. Other M had the Speed Booster. It was one of the few things Other M did right. Why did Prime 4 not use the fucking Speed Booster.
>>729741504>mfw you're absolutely right>mfw it would've negated so much travel through the desert
>>729741751>Samus sees the dumb motorcycle>Laughs then proceeds to shinespark the entire distance
>>729721058It's the worst one since Other M, which was the worst one since Prime 3. 3D Metroid hasn't been good in over 20 years. Nintendo fundamentally doesn't understand or care about what makes Metroid great and makes cringey Star Wars/Halo garbage instead of atmospheric isolationist sci fi. They show no signs of changing, so it's best to move on from Metroid.
>>729722648I never saw any marketing for any of those games you just mentioned, but I did see a billboard for Metroid Prime 4 posted once.
>>729741945
>>729741504motorcycles are cooler, lol
>>729742381>motorcycles are cooler than shinesparking
>>729721058>Prime 4 is BAD!>why?>because....uhhh.....because these grifting youtubers who make money off clickbait said it was, okay!
>>729736579You'd have a point if you didn't immediately contradict yourself in other threads. You accuse people of being dumb sheep who only follow e-celebs, but if someone disagrees with e-celebs, you accuse them of being a contrarian.Make up your damn mind. If blindly worshipping e-celebs is bad, then I should be allowed to hold contrarian positions against them, without you throwing a bitch fit.
Finally beat it last night. The game is a series of peaks and valleys, when it's good it feels like I'm playing the original Prime again but when it's bad it's pretty bad. Four post rant of an autist incoming.The five main areas are all great. Beautifully crafted, immersive and atmospheric, and while people are right to call out the linearity of most of them the rooms are spacious enough to explore and it's rewarding looking around for items and scans, and while linear on your first time through there are short cut options that open up in all of them you can find that make it easier to go through them. The item variety is more less same as it ever was, just with lazy 'Psychic' put on front of them but they do add a few new tricks with them and the few new features like Control Beam are nice. Combat is very fun, the game can do less with horde encounters (survive until arbitrary time limit) and a wider cast of enemies outside of Grievers/Psybots but movement/dodging feels good, the weapon variety is there, and bosses are a highlight. The desert is a waste in every respect. It serves only to pad out the amount of time it takes you to get from any of the actual fun areas to another one since there is no other means to get to them, there is very little to do in the desert outside of collecting green energy crystals and doing shrines/fed bases which only open up after collecting certain items, and while you're trying to explore you're constantly being harassed by the wheel things and the drones. It is clearly endemic of the same open world virus that's infected almost every other IP, but you know what? I might be one of the few guys who actually likes the bike itself, the cycle is cool and fun to drive. It just sucks that it's only use is in this useless desert and waste time going between areas, and due to the Shot upgrades and backtracking for other items you'll need to cross it a lot.
>>729743589I was thankfully not having to do a lot of Green Energy hunting by the end game as my OCD compelled me to pick up every cluster I could see between spots but that just added to the padding and I still have no idea why they would think being forced to look for green turds in a desert for either an hour at once or 10 minutes between locations was a good idea. Much less locking collectibles behind 200%.I hate the Feds most of all. I know with other design issues it seems weird to harp in on these guys but I can only notice how my enjoyment of the game took a nose dive during segments I'm forced to interact with any of these faggots. There is not a single one of them of any value, at BEST they are just tolerable like VUE. Tokabe and Duke are the corniest, most cliched archetypes I've ever seen, Tokabe will spill his fucking life story to you like anyone asked when you go looking for upgrades in the desert and Duke is every gruff, father-figure sergeant character in fiction, complete with massive red flags about how he can't wait to see his wife and kid again. I'm surprised they didn't say he was two days away from retirement. Myles and Nora are easily the worst for all the reasons everyone knows about, purely generic, annoying, creepy, over-reacting, out of place 'adorkable' goobers with typical modern cape dialogue who the writers are so fucking sure you'll be endeared to by the end they'll force you to listen to Myles whistle in on the radio every five minutes and have to backtrack to him FOUR TIMES for necessary upgrades. I at least found Armstrong slightly more tolerable given her escort mission is shorter and to both their credit they tone down their dialogue a lot after the intro quests but they still drag the game down a lot.
I enjoyed prime 4.
>>729743675They are just awkward, unnecessary, distracting additions to the game. Every conversation is strictly between them because the game is terrified to have Samus react or speak to any of them, which I can understand why they went that route to avoid Another M but it gets to a point where they're conversing so much it just doesn't make sense to not have Samus refuse to say anything, and when they talk so much it honestly feels like the story is trying to make it all about THEM and Samus is just kind of there as a side piece in her own fucking game. There was exactly one part involving them I actually liked with Nora after she thought Duke dies in the Mines, mostly because it shut her up but also because I thought it might lead to some character growth, but no every death in the mine was a fakeout and it's back to business as usual. I noticed my enjoyment of each area is dependent on how frequently these people radio in to break up the silence with unnecessary, obvious observations - Tokabe is thankfully mostly quiet in Ice Belt, only messaging a couple times, Flare Pool is worse with Duke and then Nora, and the Mines in addition to having way too many 'horde' scenes is the most aggravating with you having to deal with most of them throughout (as to not contradict my earlier statement, yes these five areas are still mostly good and fun experiences in spite of the Feds but it's purely in spite of them, they are at their best in the moments where they shut the fuck up and leave you alone). It wasn't even jut about escorting them - I rarely had anyone but Nora die on me and healing is quick to do, their very presence and their weight on the narrative is what drove me to the breaking point.
>>729743751By the end when it's trying its hardest to make you care about them with the big sacrifice scene holding back Sylux (again healing them during the final battle is annoying but not that big a pain, figuring out Sylux's patterns was more troublesome in a good way) and the super cheesy 'opening up the visors' moment I could barely scrape up enough pity for them to have a reaction during the ending scene. Speaking of Sylux, it's just a damn shame they couldn't figure out what to do with him. I still need to see his full backstory scene because I fucked up on scans for 100% (that also pisses me off that 100% is no longer just about items, but scans which are very easy to miss) but just his role in the story itself he might as well not even be there, he just randomly pops in in Volt Forge and Flare Pool to fuck with Samus for a minute and then leaves to hide in his tower until the ending. He has nothing to do with the Lamorn or Viewros and feels like an afterthought in a sequel we were hyped up to think he'd be a huge part of. The most I can say for Sylux is at least all of his boss fights are great, especially the finale (even Phase 1 is fun but Phase 2 is obviously better). Despite all that ranting on the Feds/desert I still think Prime 4 is a solid 7/10 because the parts I liked were still very fun, the game has showings of a real Prime when it wants and as much as I hate the Feds involvement they're not a majority of the game. Neither is the desert, both drag the experience down and I can't imagine anyone giving Prime 4 more than an 8 in good faith at the absolute most, but I also don't think it deserves lower than a 5 or 6 for the things it does right with the gameplay, environments, immersion, exploration, etc (despite these also having room for improvement). I do not know if I want a Prime 5 though unless they really listen to what the fuck went wrong with this one or if they're going to have stubborn pride in their love for the Fed troopers.
>>729741504I'm mad they didn't use her ship.If you want to explore a more expansive Metroid then why not just use her fucking ship, to go around an entire planet or even between planets. She already has all the tools she needs. Why invent another vehicle just as an excuse to traverse a boring-ass desert?
>>729744046I can barely give the game a 4/10 because of how just how badly it screws up the entire prime formula. I don't care about idiotic things like muh graphics or muh environments. I'd rather it look like a shaky Ps1 game if it meant the removal of all the bad elements.
>>729743589Very well thought out post anon.I'd like your opinion on something.People talk about the NPC's ruining the atmosphere and that got me thinkingI'm not sure if you've played it but Resident Evil is another series that often has its atmosphere touted. Yet that game does have NPC's you interact with.Why does it work in resident evil but not in metroid?
>>729721058Sticker Star is worse. I have not played Prime 4, but I know Sticker Star is worse.
>>729744427It doesn't work in Resident Evil either. The series sucks ass through a straw, and people only remember it for the memes.
>>729737673Sakamoto never really involved himself with Prime much to begin with. I doubt MP4 bombing will have much impact on Metroid 6 if he is working on that any time soon.
>>729721058>Synthetic Man
>>729744117Ironically that's exactly what Retro wanted to do with Prime 3. They were planning that sort of thing up for Nintendo's next generation console at the time, and then they were handed a Wii. Note the planet level select and the ability to summon the gunship for a raid in outdoor sections. That was Retro skimming those ideas down to what they could accomplish on Wii. They wanted to do exactly what you're suggesting.
>>729721058>A bunch of youtube basedboy thumbnails>Literally nobody likes itThe Metroid fanbase really trying to give Sonic fanbase a run for its money.
>>729744718NTA and I get not liking Resident Evil, but half the reason people like it is because they've never actually made the same game twice. The series is always changing something up and the fanbase always has something to discuss or react to. It's not always good, but it's never boring.
>>729744410By the Prime formula do you mean better interconnectivity of the areas, both to other areas and within themselves? Because I also agree to that, it could have done much better giving you multiple routes to each area than having to go through Sol Valley every time. But I did notice at least within area itself other local shortcuts open up when re-exploring for upgrades like morph ball shafts / boost rails. Presentation and atmosphere I think is important to Prime, it's the first person experience of losing yourself in your surroundings and while other areas clearly needed more love than they got I still think Prime 4 at least did this well.>>729744427I only played a few Resident Evils (1/4/5, none of the REmakes), but RE4 is one of my favorite games ever I replay it often. You don't get that much NPC chatter in RE4, you get a lot of cutscenes with characters but it's rarely spoken during gameplay, and a lot of RE4 you're on your own. Even when escorting Ashley (the poster child of escort missions done perfectly well) she keeps silent, which is sensible for her given the situation. But I think the real reason dialogue and interacting with others in RE works as opposed to Metroid is differences in their identities. For one, no RE protagonist is a silent protagonist, they feel involved with whoever they're talking with unlike Samus who just gets talked at all game in 4. Also in RE you're rarely the only guy trying to survive, the crises usually involve outbreaks in which multiple people trying to make it out, some working with you or against you, and so having to talk to people is expected. Samus is usually alone in her adventures, and even in 4 she's doing 99% of the legwork herself, which makes moments where you're suddenly part of 'le squad' feel so awkward. And finally, it comes down to better writing of the characters themselves; maybe there's worse examples in other games but I can't name a single NPC in any RE I like less than the Feds in Prime 4.
>>729744427NTA but Resident Evil has always been campy and shlocky like a B-movie horror flick so nobody takes it "seriously" which is why goofy NPCs work better for RE. Also the RE settings are often in cities or other populated areas so being completely alone is not as realistic.Metroid on the other hand is traditionally a solitary sci-fi horror that takes place on alien planets with extinct civilizations and part of the horror is that you're all alone, there is nobody coming to rescue you or nobody for you to rescue.I'm not a close-minded purist that thinks NPCs are "anti-Metroid" and can never ever work but the key is good writing and not breaking the sci-fi horror vibes. Prime 4 legit felt comical at times with how badly written it was. If you can't write NPCs well or write good dialogue then keep them out and stick to what you know and what Metroid is known for.
>>729741136Lets be nice now..>>729743347Well the point still stands, he's just not the who should be making it.>>729742825How badly would those grifter freak out if the game sells even a million?>>729744117Oh man i would have loved a Metroid space exploration game with ship mechanics where Samus can fly through space traveling through all sorts of different planets.Great idea Anon!Honestly, now that i think about it, Zelda Skyward Sword would have been a much better idea if the concepts were reworked into a Metroid titled with space exploration and combat and dropping down on different planets instead of bird riding.
>>729721058Probably not. Prime 4 is bad, but I can think of many games released in the past two decades that are way worse.>Mario wonder>bananza>Z-A>zelda musou slop>fire emblem three houses>fire emblem musou slop>other M>Nintendo switch sports>armsI'm probably leaving something out, but prime 4 is more like a 4/10 compared to Nintendo's average output these days of 0-2/10 games.
>/v/ - youtube screencaps
>>729745831You really believe OP is a real Metroid fan and not a troll who tried and failed to get a Metroid hate thread?
>>729746319>a REAL metroid fan is someone who likes nonstop chatter in his ear and driving around an empty world for seven hours straight
>metroid has had....a difficult transition to 3DI keep hearing this opinion nowadays. Is there truth to it?
>>729744718I highly disagree. The series wouldn't be continuing if people only liked it for its memes.I got into resident evil as a series when I realized how similar it is to metroid games. At least, with the classic titles.They have a similar feeling of "big interconnected map with many paths to choose from but some are locked and you need a special key to get past it." The biggest major difference is that with metroid these keys are abilities that add to your arsenal, where-as in resident evil they are often literal keys or some special ornament you have to slot into place.People wouldn't be making hour long videos like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGzBROkv3bk with added rain effects if the save rooms weren't very atmospheric.Basically, I'm trying to think about it in a way where I could say.>What could they have done without cutting them entirely, to have the fed squad be received better?
>>729746282>WonderCome on now. It was a competent, 7/10 platformer. Not one of Nintendo's best, but definitely not one of their worst. NSMB2 is a much better candidate strictly for what it symbolized as Nintendo's first embrace of DLC.
>>729746089>By the Prime formula do you mean better interconnectivity of the areas,Not just that, but actually letting the player have peace and quiet. Why do you think Prime 3 is considered the worst of the trilogy? I don't need to babysit NPCs and have them call me and tell me what to do and where to go. And it's not just one call or one cutscene, it is a persistent problem, to the point where the game will actively ruin its own pacing just to shove them down your throat, like when you have to visit Lt. Chungus multiple times just for upgrades. Now you're shoving in backtracking and filler for zero reason, other than to appeal the NPCs to us. Then requiring us to babysit them with escort quests, giving us a game over if they actually die, having the audacity to ruin the final boss with them, and having the ending be some big emotional moment where they totally sacrifice themselves because Samus is no longer capable of fighting enemies by herself. It reeks of Other M contrived writing.>yes Adam had a gun specifically designed to shoot samus in the back and completely disable her suit because.....?????>>729746526Unfortunately, there's no saving them. The feds just don't work in this capacity.
>>729746282>Mario wonder>bananza>Three HousesEvery "bait" post convinces more and more me you people are just retarded
>>729746526>What could they have done without cutting them entirely, to have the fed squad be received better?First and foremost I think they'd need to just be rewritten to be better, more interesting characters with less annoying dialogue. There is only so much you can do with the characters as given.Besides that, having them talk less in general would be a start - most of the time they talk it's just pointing out the super obvious and doesn't add anything to what's going on. When they say things it should add something rather than just a quip or pointless comment to fill the silence.You can have them involved in the story / progression but backtracking just to see them to get an upgrade installed and then have to go all the way back is egregious. If you really want them to be involved, maybe make them come to you than the other way around?
>>729721058Prime 4 is not the worst thing ever but it'd probably make my top 10 of most disappointing games.
>>729743347>/v/ is one person
>>729746774>Not just that, but actually letting the player have peace and quiet.Oh. In which case yes absolutely I agree, this is my biggest problem with the game. I think the Feds and the way they're implemented are easily the worst part of the game, worse even than the desert. I just found enough enjoyment in the stretches of time you don't have to interact with them to save my rating of the game over all.
>>729746282>Mario wonder>Nintendo switch sports>armsCan you explain why these are bad?Every other game i can understand but these three i need an explanation.I'm not hating on you or saying your wrong or anything like that, i am genuinely curios.Also, for you to know where i stand on these games.>Mario WonderI played it, i own it, i only played the first world and a little bit of the second. i played with my brother but i stopped when he wasn't available to play anymore. Eventually my Switch busted (Gamer rage.) so now i am selling all of my Switch games in favor of going back to retro PlayStation, from the start with the PS1 to the early 2010s with the Vita. The PlayStation collection i managed to get is good so far and i might go back to GameCube and Wii as well. I am selling everything XBox in my house by the way.But back to the game i thought it was fun and the usual 2D Mario joy i like to have, but i mostly wanted to play it with my brother. I never played it by myself as i feel like that would be too boring for some reason...And no, i forgot if i already sold it or not.>Nintendo Switch SportsHonestly looks nothing more than an upgrade of the Wii Sports franchise but they replace Miis with other avatars for some reason, honestly feels soulless but other than that it seems like a harmless and inoffensive cutesy game. Honestly all the three games listed here can be described as harmless and inoffensive cutesy games.(1/2)
>>729747063My feelings are Prime 4 is easily the worst Prime but it is far from the worst Metroid in a world where Other M, Federation Force, and if you don't count the multiplayer even Hunters exists.
>>729747358>ARMSI only a demo at i thin Best Buy. It was alright but nothing too great and i can see why the game never got as big as Nintendo wanted it to be and why they ditched all of their plans on making it a big franchise such as the visual novel.Side note, Min Min should have been in Smash, she feels way too out of place, her game was a relic of the past as soon as it released, she and her game has no legacy or future outside of Smash (Assuming she doesn't get cut.) and the justification of her being the "main character" while something i can understand on paper feels like a stretch in logic and reasoning and i wish they'd own up to the fact that they didn't add the main character as the only character for a franchise.The reason why she's in is something i find kinda cute though i can't lie about that.As for every other game on your list i haven't played any of them (Except for the first Hyrule Warriors but that's a story for another time.) and i was never interested in them, already agree with what others have said about them or have my own personal views and admitting biases against them.If you want i can add more games to your list. >>729746841Or maybe, perhaps, most like, he does in fact simply does not like those games and you simply do not agree with him?N need to get insulting and throw around accusations like that over a disagreement.>>729746404you really think true fans of anything would base their entire view of a game around what others tell him to believe instead of playing the game and thinking for themselves?>>729746445It's only true if you consider Nintendo not making a Metroid game for the N64 and even then it depends on exactly why Nintendo didn't make one and all the behind the scenes details for it.
>>729746526>The series wouldn't be continuing if people only liked it for its memes.This. I have seen countless times how developers try to incorporate memes into their games, or how companies try to use memes to market their works, only for it all to fail because memes only make fads not successes.
>>729742381This. You can not make fast running look cool in first person.
>>729739983implying you even played itthe games got issues but it's not a bad gameI understand why people get mad at the samus boss fight but it's a small part of the game
>>729747946Mirror's Edge
>>729746089You should give 1-3 a try. Through the REmakes if nothing else. Though I actually have gotten used to and enjoy classic RE with fixed camera angles and tank controls.IMO I don't think Campy RE dialogue like leon calling salazar bro is the type of tone that fits in metroid, but thats kinda what we got with the fed squad. Its a good point too that RE protags aren't silent in the way samus is. So then I'm curious do you think it would have been better for prime 4 if samus was given lines to say? I mean, assuming she was competently written?>Also in RE you're rarely the only guy trying to surviveWell yes but thats plot purposes no? Wouldn't the feds also being transported to viewros be a sufficient plot device to warrant NPC interaction?>ven in 4 she's doing 99% of the legwork herself, which makes moments where you're suddenly part of 'le squad' feel so awkward.Thats true. Personally I feel like each member of the squad should have been more useful in doing things on their own in the story. I think they should have been used as pseudo power ups. Like how VUE can smash through heavy obstacles. I agree that hes the best and I feel like a big part of it is that he's useful and actually helpful.>it comes down to better writing of the characters themselvesThis may sound pedantic but I'm honestly asking. What makes their writing bad in prime 4? I'm curious to hear your opinion
>>729747946It might not look cool, but is it fun?
>>729747946>you can not make fast running look cool in first per-ACK!
Retro Studios needs to be restructured or shut down. Everyone associated with this turd needs to be fired and replaced with AI. AI can make a better game than modern Retro at this point.
>>729747841>Namefag>has the worst fucking takes possibleChecks out
>>729748023>What makes their writing bad in prime 4? I'm curious to hear your opinionIt's pretty self-evident why the writing is bad. But you don't even have to listen to the words or the script itself to understand the problem. Look at this scene for example. How does this serve the gameplay directly? Is it actually doing something that will progress the pacing or give us insight into where we have to go next? No, it's just some reddit quipper talking to himself.Now, this in itself is already bad, but notice how they go out of their way to show his face. A series like Metroid has never needed to rely this heavily on seeing someone's face. Until the Prime games, you never saw Samus out of her suit at all, and even if you took the endings and the justin bailey code at face value, they're essentially microscopic compared to the rest of the game. Metroid never needed to show you someone's face so you can see them making wacky faces or showing feelings. Them showing their faces is an admittance of guilt that they can't actually give these characters redeeming features, so they rely on cheap emotional manipulation.
>>729748303Sorry, let me clarify this statement.>Until the Prime games, you never saw Samus out of her suit at allUntil the Prime games, you never saw Samus' face out of her suit, in such high resolution. Seeing her face in NES or SNES really wasn't that impressive. And it was never really a big factor in the games.
>>729739707>Can we just be done with the fucking Galactic Federation.Especially as a universe spanning military force. What the hell is the point of Samus existing if there's 5 billion of these soldiers running around and Samus is subservient to their every desire anyway. If they were going to introduce a faction like this we should be killing them like the Space Pirates, not working with them.I miss when Gal Fed was just portrayed as some scientists or political council. Sure these people probably need some kind of security but I don't want to see it to this extent.
>>729747841>Namefag>has the best fucking takes possibleChecks out
As someone who loves Metroid Dread, Metroid Prime 1, Metroid Prime 2, Super Metroid, Metriod Fusion all I wanna know is what type of mentally disturbed individual looks Metroid Prime 4. Do you enjoy scanning dumpsters for lore about who didn't turn off the monitor? Or not having any other visors besides scan and NPC command? Metroid Prime 4 is a stepback in every department.
>>729748802What's worse is how they're portrayed as incompetent retards who can't even put down a few pirates. At that point, why even bother?
The metric I use to judge games sequel is how much content did they add or remove? So in the case of Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire they added more content but they also removed a lot of things people liked about Gold/Silver like day cycle and week events. Did GameFreak add enough content to justify cutting those elements? Breath of the Wild's sheikah powers were replaced in Tears of the Kingdom by the building mechanic, did the sequel justify removing those elements? That's what I typically go into when analyzing sequels. Almost forgot, Resident Evil 4 completely re-invented the franchise as a numbered sequel so you have to judge it on new merits when it tossed a lot of old stuff out. People still liked it.So long story short Metroid Prime 4 did not bring good elements to justify removing the old. Every new idea was antithetical to the genre. So it genuinely boggles the mind to see people here and elsewhere try to defend it. I like Nintendo and I think YouTubers have a hate ad revenue cycle for Nintendo Switch 2 dooming shit. But there's no fucking defending Metroid Prime 4. Retro Studios did not produced a worthy followup to Metroid Prime 1 and 2, nor can you even consider it competent to modern Metroidvania (or classic), and it isn't even filling the FPS genre with modern Doom or boomer shooter FPS games. Metroid Prime 1 got Remastered with high reviews from everyone, so it isn't the "gameplay being dated". It's a skill issue and Nintendo faggots eating Metroid Prime 4 for 100 dollars (you need the amiibo for music) is fucking lunacy.
>>729721058it's an OK game that doesn't fully live up to expectations. all the tubeslop about it is just hyperbolic to farm views
>>729721058Easily, but tendies are in denial
>>729721058I honestly think with the Switch 2 negativity on top of it taking years to come out, even if it was up to par with the OG trilogy it would still get this highly critical treatment. Only difference is that it’s more deserved cause it did turn out bad.
>>729749710Metroid Prime 3 does not deserve that 90% Metacritic. Metroid Prime 4 would be lower if people weren't afraid at the start of being blacklisted by Nintendo for giving true low reviews.
>>729748023> I don't think Campy RE dialogue is the type of tone that fits in metroid, but thats kinda what we got with the fed squadExactly, it's about identity. Zombies always had a B-Movie vibe to them and RE4 has Leon as an experienced secret agent against big personalities, the cocky / cheesy dialogue fits the vibe. Metroid never had anything like the sort of modern, quippy, irreverent dialogue seen here. I hate using 'Marvel writing' because it feels like a buzzword without clear meaning but I see why people use it.>I'm curious do you think it would have been better for prime 4 if Samus was given lines to say?It's weird to say but with how much dialogue the Feds have, yes. The prospect of having Samus speak after Other M is a daunting one but having her completely, awkwardly silent during every interaction feels even more jarring. If you're going to Halo-fy Metroid, you can't have your Master Chief never talk. Soft spoken, sure, she's still probably a woman of very few words but with how much they're speaking to her it's just weird that she never says a thing to these other characters trying to work with her for the sake of survival. Dread did it perfectly with her speaking in Chozo to Quiet Robe, I would have thought it a good start if the first words Samus says in the entire game were a simple request for Myles to be quiet for a little bit (and would have made Myles a little better by extension).The only reason I can think of having Samus being utterly silent even when being talked at all game is because she's extremely protective of her identity under the suit, which would make sense given her trade (even though it seems everyone knows she's female she can still hide her voice / manner of speaking) but then it's never commented on in character how utterly silent she is and it just comes off as weird and all of them continuously not getting the hint. Either have Samus talk just a little bit or have the Feds speak less to match her.
>>729749921>What makes their writing bad in prime 4?None of them talk in any way that makes them feel like real people. They feel like caricatures, one-note. Myles is the 'funny' awkward dork, Nora is the bright-eyed fangirl, Duke is the gruff well meaning father figure, Tokabe is the loner with a sad past. All the time interacting they never prove to be more than these simple archetypes the entire game, they're as deep as a puddle and the bulk of the narrative weight's on their shoulders. There is the overacting that comes from Myles and Nora in their first meeting, they're trying too hard to make them empathetic ('hey player, I bet you also hate working in a cubicle and would totally gush over Samus like this IRL right?') and it instead come across as annoying and overbearing. To their credit, Myles/Nora mellow out after their intro quest but they never grow to be more than tolerable. Duke/Tokabe never reach those lows but are equally dull. Duke is always going on about his age and the squad and how damn proud he is, and Tokabe will keep bringing up his past and his religion when literally no one asked. There is exactly ONE moment in the game I actually did like with them involving Duke's 'death' in the Mines and the effect it had on Nora - it was actually kind of heartfelt to have someone so previously enthused so dead silent in the wake of that and I was interested in if it would change her going forward, but my hopes were dashed by every single death in the Mines being all fake-outs which just adds to my aggravation with these characters in that there seems to be no stakes whatsoever for them.
>lumping synthetic cuck in with actual youtubers
>>729750117And that's not even getting into how they're implemented in gameplay. You have to wait for them to open doors, you have to watch that enemies don't hit them, you have to heal them if they go down, you have to backtrack across the huge desert four times for Myles upgrades only to traverse back, you have to sit through Tokabe's cutscenes to get all the upgrades, you have to go through the whole of the Mines and a majority of Flare Pool with them. Them being boring or obnoxious to interact with is bad enough but it's made worse with how often the game forces interaction with them to the point it exhausts me.The game has several moments where it feels like it's anticipating a heartfelt reaction from the player like the loss of Betsy (the mech we spent like 30 minutes putting together and see in action for one scene) or the final farewell with everyone lifting their visors but it feels so forced and unearned. There are ideas/concepts here with each of the Feds that I think could work but are very poorly executed.
>>729721058the primes aren't mainline nigga
>>729721058Vinny had the best take on the game imo>it's flawed but still had promise>troubled development really shows>most of the complainers have never played metroid before
>>729721058Not even close. Nintendo has released some terrible shit over the last 20 years. You're stretching back to the ds days.
>>729750247Also forgot to mention the CONSTANT radioing in, even when you aren't made to share the room with them Myles on the radio will chime in every five minutes in the desert asking you if you need help or, when the game gets impatient, telling you what to do. There's just no escaping it, at certain points it'll stop because it'll only send reminders to you so many times but then it resets after the next mission objective, the constant chiming in of Myles on the radio is easily why he's worst Fed.
>>729721058>worst mainline Nintendo game in like two decadespretty sure that honor goes to sticker star, the yoshi 3ds game, the pikmin 3ds game, star fox on wii u (whatever it was called)
>>729750509what I find weird is that I thought these tutorial npc's are supposed to be usefulmyles tells you the most basic shit until he suddenly gives away the progression entirely "Go to volt forge" like ok thanks man. Im getting an optional beam upgrade on my own time and I wasnt stuck, fuck you
>>729721058Not even the worst Metroid game from the past two decades
>>729745098>>729750221True, actual YouTubers would not turn ableist the moment someone criticizes your brother. Learn to take criticism and don't bully autistic people.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wl35Vf4l97o
>>729750695Interesting, Other M has no red reviews, only green and yellow.
>>729748030yeah you proved his point..
>>729750695In no universe can I ever consider other M better than prime 4.
>>729750117>ONE moment in the game I actually did like with them involving Duke's 'death' in the Mines and the effect it had on NoraFuck the more I think about what they could have done with this moment the madder I get. You could have something with Nora watching Duke die with her idol present could have shattered her illusion that Samus is perfect and can do no wrong, be angry with her for not doing more and having to learn that Samus is, tragically, constantly having to deal with watching people she cares about die (a trend that, funnily enough, continues with Prime 4's ending). The fact she lost her commanding officer sacrificing himself for her now gives Nora a direct parallel with Samus having lost Ian or Adam, there's a lot of interesting things you could do with that connection and it's thrown out the window so you can have four (4) scenes of the Fed's letting themselves get swarmed by hordes of Grievers to let Samus progress, and then all four times it runs out they were completely fine somehow.
>>729743589>The five main areas are all great. Beautifully crafted, immersive and atmospheric, and while people are right to call out the linearityI honestly cant call them great if they're so linear and corridor-like.Also, half of the areas consist in escort missions, so im not sure whats to like about them besides the graphics and visual design. Its a complete waste of time, and makes the desert complaints a nothingburger.Seriously, the worst thing about the desert is what? That it keeps me from playing the utterly disappointing main areas? At least i didnt have to deal with escort missions and scanning pieces of wood with the incredible insight of "yep, its wood" in hopes to find something worth learning.Fuck anybody who says the main areas are great. They are not. And it pains me to say it because they do look nice and have awesome environment artists, but they're full of repetitive rooms, samey enemies, awful lore and insultingly simple progression. Its the actual problem with tje game, and anyone blaming the desert is lookong at the finger that points at the moon.
>>729747946is there a reason why it couldn't just go third person thendid we lose the technology?
my greatest gripe with the writing is how un-diegetic it is.>miles just calling the save station a save stationIn prime 3 we had the troopers saying "don't forget to perform suit maintenance." Miles might as well have said "don't forget to save your game." The region names seem like place holders as well. Imagine as well if we had called phazon "blue energy" instead.My first playthrough of the game was the honeymoon and I had fun with it and basically just ignored all these things, but on a second playthrough and looking critically this really annoys me.Why are the fire shots even called fire shots? Why not just call it the plasma beam? The chip was already used for a plasma torch. Theres a million ways I could think up to make it fit better than just calling them fire shots.
>>729722648>Donkey Kong Bananza, Kirby Air RidersSerious question here, but who the fuck pays 90€ for these games aside from parents with spoiled children?I'd understand playing a fun arcade-style nigtendo game for nostalgia's sake if it were priced appropriately (20jewroos tops). But to not only cough up bux deluxe, but also join a fucking marketing hypetrain and count the days to release as an adult is fucking unbelievable. You could take the roastie stance & argue that most of us are man-children for playing games in the first place.But their level of childishness these nigtœddlers express is beyond anything we've seen before... "YAY DK IS OUT I LOOOOOOOOV NINTEND :OOO"I'd understand getting a nigtendo snatch 2 for the sake of Metroid 6, perhaps some other cool game in 60fps like astral chain. But for fucking maro/kirby/niggerape?! No. Just NO.
>>729753234I think the writing department is very weak in Prime 4 in general. The Fed troopers are the biggest, most obvious sign but it's clear this is the weakest Prime in terms of story.The Lanorn/Viewros are very basic in general, and frankly rival the Space Pirates themselves with how stupidly reckless they are (hey this green energy stuff might restore our ravaged planet, let's do minimal testing and spray it EVERYWHERE at once to see what happens). Scanning logs are very basic compared to previous games, the item names are just all the classic items but with 'psychic' tacked on to it, 'Green Energy' is as lazy as you say, and there is the completely unbaked involvement of Sylux and his backstory at all.
>>729728556Star Fox Zero then
>>729751997This is why "Murder your darlings" is a classic writing rule and why the Great Mines was the worst dungeon, not just for having the simplest design but with the fake deaths. Good writers have the balls to kill off characters because it actually challenges the protagonist and raises the stakes but bad writers want rainbows and sunshine all the time and no consequences. I never believed for a second that they were all really dead in the Mines and of course the weak millenial writing proved me correct by the end.
>>729752510"Great" here might just be relative to Prime 4 as a whole. They're definitely the parts of the game where I was having the most fun but I don't suspect they'll be stacked up there with previous areas in other Primes. I found slight annoyance in Volt Forge and Ice Belt where three times the progression consisted of going through the entire level, turning on the power, then going back where you just came only this time there are a bunch of enemies but the changes to the levels were enough to make it interesting and I like the combat. There's also enough puzzles and item collecting to keep you engaged through them, I won't try and sell Prime 4's puzzles as being particularly difficult (most do consist of remembering to come back to a specific place with a new items, although some of them can be tucked away in areas you don't think to check until you get the Scout Bot) but I'd be lying if I didn't say at least a few didn't take me a minute, especially those involving Spider Ball. I even found enjoyment with them on later visits backtracking for missed items where there was no more escorting and you can discover new shortcuts/elevators to get around quicker in most of them.I agree scanning is more of a pain in this game, not just for lacking in flavor text but also how they do the colors. Everything being just green instead of signifying to the player which ones are important enough to go in the logbook makes it maddening, in previous Primes logbook entries were always a different color and you'd know which ones you HAD to get. Now in Prime 4 they make it so everything is green if you haven't scanned it regardless of whether it has a logbook entry or not so for the purpose of being safe you're incentivized to scan everything just to be sure. It's especially infuriating when they lock the best ending behind 100% scans instead of just 100% items like they usually do too.
>>729753508Donkey Kong Bananza is a massive action adventure game with fun innovative gameplay. Even at 180€ it'd be worth the price.
What are the chances they're actually dead at the end of prime 4?
>>729755978Zero, that's why they left it open endedIf there is a Prime 5 I will bet the farm on all of them returning
>>729756080I hope the point is dropped entirely, just for the sheer hilarity of the quiet acknowledgement that those characters were such a terrible fucking idea.
>>729756080>I will bet the farm on all of them returningI'm banking on Myles getting redeemed with his own spinoff game like Raiden from MGS.
