>>729722904
did you buy it on sale too? it really feels like a kingdom hearts game more than final fantasy. i like it though it looks cool.
also if you're dying you should absolutely just get better. This game is piss easy especially after you upgrade the timing on the precision dodge

Could be worse, could be Rebirth.

That's visionary Naoki Yoshida's stunning game design, truly a master at work.

>>729722904
every game with production value rates high no matter how trash they are. niggercattle are easily pleased.

You have thousands of difficult games to play, stop being a whiny bitch cunt

>>You are not punished for dying; on the contrary, the boss is the one that's punished by losing half his life
all that means is bosses kicked your ass, shitter.

Someone post it.

>>729722904
Most of OP is correct. However the good things about the game make it worth playing. The story and characters are good. Not particularly original, but still good. I haven’t watched Game of Thrones so I can’t speak to what 16 borrows from it. Also, like someone else ITT mentioned, the production values are top notch. The music is amazing. Graphics, UI and overall presentation, etc. Things like that count. I don’t know that poster used it as a passive aggressive insult to the game but I digress. It lacks most of the things that I love about a Final Fantasy game. But Instill enjoyed it overall. I just replayed the Titan bossfight yesterday. Great stuff. I think the next part after that is where Clive reunites with Joshua then jobs to Barnabas with some minor story beats in between. Idk it’s been a while. But i’m rambling now. It’s a solid game. just could have been truly special with just a handful of additions. Like a playable party, more in-depth combat, and better level design.

>>729732052
>The story and characters are good
no

>>729732052
>The story and characters are good
Not true and this is bullshit cope.

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>>729732754
>>729732453
Well no use going back and forth if you didn’t like it. Happy new year

>>729733291
you have shit taste and I hope you have a terrible new year

Where is that shizo that posts a wall of text exposing how much the game suck

>>729733352
>schizo
you mean chad?

>>729733352
nta but I can try

>Gil is useless
>no inns to rest in
>no Tents
>no Status effects
>no Elements
>no Spells
>no Items to cure effects or do anything beyond basic buff and healing
>no RPG mechanics whatsoever
>no damage types whatsoever
>"you found 10 bloody hides"
>"you found 10 gil"
>every single accessory is just "increase damage" or "reduce cooldown"
>every single sword is just "increase damage" with zero unique effects or abilities
>few enemy mechanics that don’t boil down to just dodging attacks with an extremely generous dodge window
>little build potential due to how few customization options there are
>zero worthwhile exploration with invisible walls everywhere. Can’t even jump on things in a town.
>corridor dungeons that are aesthetically different but functionally identical to one another, with zero level interaction aside from occasionally pulling a lever or opening a door
>the dullest side quests ever implemented into a video game
>boring dull characters. the handful that are good like cid stand out because of how monumentally better they are compared to the other 98% of the cast
>generic “epic” orchestral soundtrack. only a handful of tracks can be classified as bangers
>graphic fidelity is very high, but art style is incredibly uninspired

Did I miss anything?

yup, it's a movie gaem.
it's a good piece of entertainment media, but a bad entry in the FF series. Yes it literally does the meme.

I remember reading somewhere that initial development was done in Unreal Engine as the actual game engine wasn't finished yet and that carried over to the gameplay design but I can't remember where I saw that.

>>729733656
it's a shit video game that embodies how soulless modern gaming is

>>729733347
You didn’t like any of the characters?

>>729733596
90% of this post is correct. Yet despite all that, it’s still a solid 7.

>most of the game is shit so overall i give it 9.5/10
can the government start shooting these retards on sight please?

>>729733596
>the dullest side quests ever implemented into a video game

This is so obnoxious it baffles me how this shit ended up in the gane. After you kill Kupca , game demands you to WALK AROUND THE HIDEOUT telling Blackthorne , Harpocrates, and Charon . . that you killed Kupca.

How. How did a "quest" like this made it into the game.

>>729733906
If you give this garbage anything beyond a 5, then you 100% have shit taste.

>>729734087
It's FF14's fault, the MSQ operates very similarly.

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>>729734087
>How. How did a "quest" like this made it into the game.
>he doesn't know who the man behind this game
if only you knew how bad the "award winning" FFXIV gameplay is

>>729734136
Notice how most of (>>729733596) “no this, no that”? He’s judging it on a pretense of what he thinks it should be. Which is fair because it is a Final Fantasy game. But when I replayed it and just looked at it for what it is, rather than what I wish it was, it suddenly became a lot better. I stand by the 7. Okay maybe I’ll drop it to like a 6 just because the side quests, Final Fantasy game or not, are mostly flat as fuck aside from a handful of standouts. They’re boring gameplay wise and serve primarily for world building.

>>729722904
If you have a brain, you can fix the difficulty easily by simply not upgrading your equipment ever and not using consumable items.

Had a great time with a lot of challenging boss fights that way. Just ignore all the garbage RPG mechanics and play it like a pure action game.

>why are the sidequests in this RPG focused on the writing???

>>729734474
>if you don't expect final fantasy from final fantasy then it's not that bad
it's not even good as a game on its own you fuckface

>>729734730
Why do ppl who greentext like this misrepresent the post that they’re replying to

>>729734889
this is literally what you said lmao
>But when I replayed it and just looked at it for what it is, rather than what I wish it was, it suddenly became a lot better

>>729734889
a lot of people on this board never had any intention of discussing, they just want to rip someone's asshole open and squeeze a lemon into it
for what it's worth I nearly made the same post he did but I wouldn't have called you a fuckface
If this game released without the Final Fantasy moniker I am sure it would have done much more poorly.

>>729734474
I’m judging it as someone who simply loves rpgs. If it were just normal movie slop, I’d let all its flaws slide but this garbage also carries the mainline number of a long‑running rpg franchise, which is something I can’t just forgive. XIII and XV were already garbage, but this shit went to another level of garbage that’s worth about as much as dogshit.

I loved it because it has chuuni over the top shounen anime boss fights. It's that simple.

Same reason anyone likes KH2

>>729734889
You want pizza. You walk into a pizza joint and order pizza.
They serve half decent spaghetti.
The spaghetti isn't even excellent to the point of making you forget your pizza crave.

Thats this game.

>>729732052
OP here, I thought this thread had died so I'm only reading the replies now. I only played the game for 4 hours or so and those were my initial impressions. Some of the characters are almost 1:1 renditions of GoT characters, Clive's father for instance is literally Eddard Stark, he even dies in the same fucking way as Eddard by being beheaded in front of his children. They even have their own versions of Ghost and Hodor. It's honestly jarring, but I could excuse all that, even the gameplay's flaws if the story was actually good, but so far it just isn't man, maybe it gets better later, but this was an awful start and introduction to the characters.

>>729722904
I really liked it
it's not a masterpiece like the PS1 and PS2 games (or like most of the Trails games) but it was still better than 15.
also
>I'm going to be a reductive faggot to make my point
lol, seethe

>>729735176
>but it was still better than 15.
I'd rather replay 15 over 16. And 15 was so bad I didn't even finish it, to put things in perspective.

>>729735176
>better than 15
I'm still disappointed about that to this day. Very few things are as bad as 15 was. Barry can fuck right off by the way.

>>729722904
There are too many cutscenes when I just wanna beat enemies up.

>>729722904
It's been like 3 years, are you really so mentally ill that you make threads of this game weekly?

>>729722904
Yoshi P doing Yoshi P things

>>729735251
I legitimately can’t see how anyone could replay 15 if you played it day one. It has so many plot holes, stupid systems and a huge pointless open world. Unless all the updates changed the combat alot I can never play it again. Also are summons still random and only happen when you’re at low hp for like 10 minutes?

>>729722904
Your fault for not getting Jack's game instead.

>>729735167
Continue playing it. At least get to the Titan fight. It’s the best Eikon fight up until that point

I think final fantasy games have a huge retrospective respect.

I remember FFX being hated for being so linear back at launch but I loved it in retrospect. FF13 is also now loved in retrospect due to the unique feeling it has.

I think FF15 and FF16 will also be liked in retrospect because people hate it right now for what it ISNT instead of liking it for what it IS. Both 15 and 16 have unique styles that will be properly appreciated with time.

I feel like FF10 only got the respect it deserves now after E33 showed people just how timeless FF10 truly was.

>>729722904
I bought it for 11 bucks brand new in store. gave it to my non gamer dad. he beat it and loved it.

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FF16 is great if you treat it as a linear action game. Ditch all side quests, just move from setpiece to setpiece.
Rebirth is undoubtedly a far better game.
Both of them are vastly superior to FF13-15

>>729735140
You walk into a place that hasn't served pizza in a decade and get pissed when they don't give you pizza.

>>729722904
It's somehow worse than FF15, despite 15 being an unfinished mess.

>>729734919
Right. I looked at Final Fantasy XVI and Final Fantasy XVI alone. I did not compare it to other Final Fantasy games.

>>729735682
>Both 15 and 16 have unique styles that will be properly appreciated with time.

16 doesn't have anything memorable to remember whatsoever.

>>729735760
ayo this is implying that clive fucks torgal. thats not right man

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>>729722904
Terrible game

>>729735764
Know what I find strange is people want FFX like games but FFX is a outlier for final fantasy games because most of the other games have ATB on by default and the last ATB main line game was FF13 and that was 16 years ago

>>729735682
>I feel like FF10 only got the respect it deserves now after E33 showed people just how timeless FF10 truly was.
FF10 success single handily saved the merger with enix and the game was highly regarded at its time on top of having lasting cultural impact to this day. you are out of your fucking mind.

>>729729210
At least rebirth has great gameplay

>>729735590
>Unless all the updates changed the combat alot I can never play it again
well as it so happens, it does
>each "episode" uses a different battle system
>in the open world segment you can switch to each character and play them with their battle system once you've completed their episode
>gladio has a combo system kinda like dmc
>ignis was like a musou sort of combat system
>prompto has some stupidly op sniper rifle which you can ADS with and some grenades and shit
>noctis armiger shit breaks the game
it's sort of just a neat thing more than anything else but it's still not worth replaying just to experience that or anything, because the concept is still wasted on a boring open world that has no meaningful progression.

Soken is a fucking hack. Nothing but memeshit and lifeless chanting cinemaslop

>>729735826
Factually wrong it will be remembered forever because schizos like OP will make threads about it forever. Also I like the music

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I loved XVI and wept at the end,

>>729736118
anyone using this image has a 100% chance of being a miserable faggot

They should put Yoshi P in a hole, let the FF7R guys make the next mainline FF.

>>729735993
That’s a retard trying to make E33 enjoyers look bad, most of the people who I know like final fantasy games and like e33 and only a niggerfaggot would bring it up random in FF threads

>>729736172
This

>>729722904
Clive's game rules.
>It's linear
So are everyone's favourite FFs
>the sidequests are just talking to people
Same as everyone's favourite FFs
Oh duh /v/iggers all have arrested development so they can't wrap their head around the fact that FF has changed since they were 10 years old.

>>729736039
>>noctis armiger shit breaks the game
I like how the LV99 Melusine fight is so hard that I had to resort to Armiger Unleashed and then switch to Gladio and Dual Master to finish it off.

>>729736172
Pretty sure saying you enjoy something makes you the opposite of miserable

>>729732052
>The story and characters are good.
True if you only play shit games because you keep making excuses to avoid the good ones.

>>729736096
Your desperation is apparent and pathetic.

>>729736172
Why? That image is hilarious.

>>729736273
>pretty sure
yeah there it is, the lack of confidence and the insecurity
go be a homo somewhere else

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>>729736225
I still never did get why people think a game being linear is a bad thing plus each town has a side quests with a few being decent. Anyone who say all of the sidequests are bad probably didn’t even play the game

>>729736096
a bit harsh but listening to the tracks from nobuo vs soken in FFXIV (from 1.0 in particular) and the difference is day and night

>>729735590
15 needs a remake more than any other FF aside from maybe 2
I would kill for Nomura to be given a second shot at it to make Versus again instead of the Verum Rex shit

>>729736343
lol what ever lets you sleep at night you miserable faggot

>>729722904
FFderailed with FF13. This game proves it fell off the fucking cliff after it derailed, and FF is just dead now

>>729736459
how considerate
I hope you learned your lesson

>>729736402
Linear design is only justifiable when the gameplay is good. XVI doesn’t have that. SoP is also hallways the whole game, and nobody complains about its linearity.

>>729736202
so we'd have to choose between a city or a bunch of towns because it's too much work for these hacks to make both in a single game?

>>729736450
XV and Versus XIII are the same fucking game story wise, they only changed the gameplay.’

>>729722904
>FF fans say they are tired of turn based and want something new
>they get it
>all they do is whine
Honestly, what would make you happy?

>>729736474
it derailed with 11

>>729736731
it derailed with 6 followed by further derailing by 7 and 8 and it never recovered after that

>>729736724
>FF fans say they are tired of turn based and want something new
no FF fans said that, we got told to shut the fuck up by parasites like you who weren't even born because "action" is superior

>>729736656
Not even close. Holy shit do even just a little research before you run your mouth. The entire plot and half the cast was completely erased and done over from scratch.

>>729736791
meds

>>729736731
Yea they really just want to change stuff up and don’t want final fantasy games to be the same thing, that’s what dragon quest is for

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>>729722904
>Finally, the story is an outright copy of Game of Thrones. It's not just inspiration, it's a blatant copy, but with mediocre writing, not to say terrible. They even inserted their own versions of Ghost and Hodor lmao.
The 0 IQ take of someone who played 5% of the game and missed the story's evolution into full blown DragonBallZ/Berserkcore kino with Xenogearslite allusions.
You'd probably also adopt the "hurdur friends kill God trope" take rather than realizing Ultima is a stand-in for long-laden governmental systems and technocratic oligarchs that believe the general populace are nothing more than resources to be controlled with a dearth of empathy so large that they view themselves as the new gods of our modern world.
FFXVI's plot and characters are 10/10. I have issues with the quest design being pretty damn rote, and the combat difficulty not demanding much from the player/not having a hard mode for the first playthrough. But the highs that come from the narrative, characters, and setpieces are wild.

>>729736724
The "action" in XVI is just pressing X/Square 95% of the time, I'm not joking.

>>729736819
My first FF was the first FF. And yes, tons of you said you were tired of the FF classic formula

>>729736882
Nope, in the original Versus XIII Luna was going to die as well, there were some leaks a few years ago.

>>729736954
no we didn't. You weren't born.

>>729736987
I'm 47. Also, there are plenty of turn based RPGs made by SE.

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>>729736905
>story's evolution into full blown DragonBallZ/Berserkcore kino with Xenogearslite allusions.

>>729736886
no way fag
I'm 100% correct as evidenced by your lack of an argument.

ladies ladies.
all final fantasy are good

>>729736905
>Ultima is a stand-in for long-laden governmental systems and technocratic oligarchs that believe the general populace are nothing more than resources to be controlled with a dearth of empathy so large that they view themselves as the new gods of our modern world.
Why can't you offer him a CEO position then use currency that you print yourself while hoarding gold to inflate the currency that at the beggining inflates his stock price then with inflation ruins his company stock then you sell the gold and use the same money to buy his company and demote him into a janitor.

Hurr durr politics.

>>729736969
Luna did not exist in Versus

>>729737086
>non sequitur
I accept your concession

>>729737112
I don't have any arguments because I have no idea what the fuck you're even implying

>>729737160
She did, she just had a different name.

>>729737163
Stop whining like a little bitch and go play Bravely Default or Octopath.

>>729737119
>le centrist
I piss on you even harder than the subhumans who like nuFF

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>>729736656
No, it’s fucking not. Tabata scrapped a ton of ideas from Versus XIII the moment it was rebranded to XV. Recent datamining shows tons of content that got cut, including something akin to a job system. Tabata swept it all into the junky mess we got in the final game.

>>729737296
I already accepted your concession

>>729737338
what was he thinking?

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>>729737107
>anon learns that all 'new' things are simply the melding of existing arts

>>729734087
thats really the FF14 structure all the way down to slow cutscenes with npcs emoting and the hack devs were rewarded for this atrocity.

>>729735682
FFX was always massively popular you retard.

>>729736905
Always find it strange when people bring up GoT because though the whole game it’s never like got other than few small parts of politics that’s not even like 5% of the game

>>729737293
Stella was a completely different character in personality, story role, and looks. You are an ignorant retard.

>>729722904
Yeah the combat is awful. Why they didn't just copy paste the combat from Remake/Rebirth I will never understand. I'm about 70% through the game so far and I got so bored I started plaing Trails in the Sky instead. Might go back to it this weekend, because the story and lore have been interesting enough, but the gameplay is genuinely garbage.

>>729737308
>a heretic is worse than a heathen
lol

>>729737526
people only bring the comparison because of the prologue/demo, and actually lament that it does a bait and switch and stops being got afterward

>>729737572
Calling the combat awful is a bit of a stretch. Its a fun masher. Gets the adrenaline pumping, feels good, and is flashy. It does what it says it’s going to do. Nothing more (which is the problem most people have with it).

>>729737526
It's like an instant marker to freely disregard someone's opinions about the game. I remember listening to this podcast that had a bunch of people shitting on the story and they all kept citing Game of Thrones, which just tells me people these days make up their mind on what something is within the first 15 minutes of interacting with it, and just carry that perception through the rest of their experience.
I dunno if it's like a brainrot thing at play or what.

>>729737803
It's not fun at all and is, in fact, awful. I'm sorry you were born disabled.

>>729737428
Do people not remember what a shitshow the whole development was? He was probably thinking he needed to actually get something out, the whole project was an absolute clusterfuck with almost nothing concrete to show after so many years.

>>729737912
Well, you’re calling me disabled yet you spent north of 30 hours playing a game that you don’t find fun. Thats a choice, I guess.

>>729737241
>implying
There was nothing left to implications in what I wrote. if you don't understand something it's perfectly fine to ask me to elaborate instead of acting like a tard.

The original post in the reply chain claimed the series fell off after 13, another person (presumably you) claimed that it was 11 that derailed it. It is in fact 6 where the series pivoted its themes towards "actually technology shouldn't be treated like magic, also it's destroying the world" which you can see in future titles. I'd argue that 11 is more on topic than the games before it, barring 9. 9 was an homage to the games prior to the shift.

Regardless, 6 is where this focus shift started, and they were spurred on by the popularity of 7 to make 8, both of which were focused on a completely different kind of Final Fantasy than what we previously had. While FF10 is loved it also follows this pattern, same with FF12 to a lesser degree.

So, with that out of the way, wtf did you mean about FF11 being where it derailed? I have to imagine it was for the MMO mechanics? The Chrono Cross team worked on it so I'd yield to whatever point you make, I don't consider it much of a mainline game despite its place in the chronology.

>>729737960
ok but surely he could have gotten something that resemble a FF?

>>729738002
I told you I like the story and lore, it's the gameplay that's an atrocity.

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Apologize to him, /v/.

NOW!

>>729738012
i was fore mostly talking about gameplay/mechanics, I never minded the shift in story telling, until maybe X, they always felt like FF to me.

>>729738115
No. DT is fucking garbage and XVI is mid at best.

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>>729737572
I love VIIR's combat, but I want to see XVI's further explored and expanded upon. I could see a party-based version of the combat where your four party members fit either the DPS/Tank/Healer/Support roles, and you basically have to swap between them to use their respective cooldown abilities in order to respond to bosses and mobs tactics in realtime.
All your party members still have their basic combo strings that you are using throughout fights, but hard hitting bosses require you to switch to your tank to pull aggros with provoke abilities, tankbuster attacks and big aoes require you to switch to your healer to pop heals, and dps checks require you to basically switch to your DPS that can play pretty identically to Clive in XVI to try and melt down the target.
XVI's combat foundation is near perfect. It just needs a lot more fleshing out to be like, KH2-tier.

>>729738052
When you sit through a game you claim to genuinely dislike playing because you like the world/lore/story, you come off as exaggerative. If one actually thinks that a game is unenjoyable to play, no good of a story can save it. So you’re exaggerating about how bad you find the combat

>>729738263
Nigger I platinumed both XV and XIV (twice.) I play every FF, including the entire XIII trilogy which was dogshit start to finish. Me playing it doesn't mean it has good gameplay, because many of them simply don't.

>>729737572
Rebirths combat fucking blows ass, every person who tries to prop it up is a genuine psychopath

>>729722904
>The fact that this game has a Metascore of 87 says a lot about how retarded these video game “critics” are.
That's the thing, FF16 was made for journalists instead of real gamers. So of course it sucks ass, including making Bahamut a gay faggot scat freak.

>>729738447
>presses x for 10 mins straight with full atb charges on every character

If it doesnt have a playable party, its not FF

Even the fucking mmos have npc parties

>>729738671
I would never claim XI and XIV have good combat but I agree that they do have better combat than XVI.

>>729738447
Rebirth combat is amazing. You’re retarded.

>>729738447
XVI's combat fucking blows ass, every poerson who tries to prop it up is a genuine psychopath

>>729738941
Every single person I've ever seen bitch about Rebirth's combat, without exception, has been a brown zoomer trying to button mash like it's a poorfag DMC clone with zero understanding of how atb or materia works. IQ seems to be the great filter when it comes to Rebirth's combat; the stupid are simply not capable of enjoying it.

>>729725869
KH has challenging gameplay (on hardest difficulty)
I don't think XVI is even difficult on its harder difficulty

>>729722904
dont worry ff16 is hated by the majority and is the worst selling FF in history

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>>729739193
>>729739182
>>729738941
>>729738447
>This entire back and forth

>>729738671
it doesn't even have elemental affinities either
i mean wtf, how can it be FF without black mage/white mage

>>729732052
ff16 has by far the worst story and characters in ff history
even blank slate characters in ff1 are better written than anyone in ff16

I watched my friend fight a boss and the gameplay was legitimately
>5 second cutscene attack
>5 second cutscene attack
>5 second cutscene attack
>5 second cutscene attack
>activate devil trigger
>5 second cutscene attack
>mash square for 10 seconds
>repeat

I can only imagine the only people who enjoy this "game" are legitimate droolers impressed by jingling keys and royalty free epic orchestral music compilation #32112

>>729739182
Wait until XVI‑kun starts seething and brings up 'just play hard muh mode' because he doesn’t understand why the combat in his game is so shit. And difficulty isn’t even the fucking point.

i find it funny reading people saying
>FF's are always loved in retrospect
we are more than a decade away from XIII and a decade from XV
nobody in mainstream culture is saying those games were misunderstood masterpieces

like guys it's not the 90's. not an FFVIII situation

>>729735176
15 is a masterpiece in game design compared to dogshit fantasy 16

>>729722904
Dumb nigger thread, dumb nigger opinions sucking off Demake Trilogy combat, dumb nigger taste.

>>729722904
well yea gamers are more retarded than ever now so a retarded gameplay loop is a must. lmao. roflcopterino even more so lol.

>>729735590
it has 0 plot holes
name literally one plot hole

ff16 is plot holes galore
has no fucking systems at all
actual empty world with nothing to find or do
can't even summon any summons despite the game being about the fucking summons

>>729739636
Zoomers actually are trying to rehabilitate XIII right now. Not even joking. There are like 50 video essays on youtube this year all trying to defend that shitheap. Be sure to vote to reinstate the draft once the next war kicks off.

>>729739586
You will never be Bazztek

>>729739636
honestly pure cope
the FFs that were considered good when they came out are still considered good and the FFs that were considered bad (or rather controversial since some squarepigs will eat up anything) are still considered bad, literally not a single one was "rediscovered"

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>>729735682
15 is respected flaws and all
its looked back on fondly

ff16 never will be

>>729739818
there will always be lonely schizos advocating for garbage like that. again, will never have popular staying power. there's a reason Square never re-released XIII trilogy

>>729739903
>21k views
yawn

I'm glad the majority thinks the game is total shit. I've been saying it since day one but there used to be extremely vocal retards hellbent on defending it to death.

>>729739935
That's the thing, if it was one lone schizo defending XIII I would just ignore it but it's legit become the hipster opinion to zoomers to defend that abomination. Not a week goes by when I don't have see some zoomer defending it somewhere on the internet who clearly never played it.

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The amount of samefagging in this thread is hilarious.

>>729740062
>I've been saying it since day one but there used to be extremely vocal retards hellbent on defending it to death.
just MMO tards

>>729722904
I used to be a big final fantasy fanboy when I was a kid, but i literally stopped playing after FFXIII. XII was pushing it - I still never finished it because it felt too grindy like the MMORPG shit it was going for. I’ll never buy a FF game again. The bait and switch with FFVII Remake confirmed it for me

>>729740202
I'm an mmotard and XVI is still ass

>>729739873
>Bazztek
Who?

>>729740295
yeah basically post-Sakaguchi/Uematsu it never has actually coalesced or "worked"

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>>729736882
>>729737160
>>729737550
every character in versus is in xv
stella got changed to luna
saferios the general of niflheim got merged with ravus and ravus was originally named lupus
thats it

no different to aerith and tifa originally being 1 character and zack didn't exist in ff7 originally and sephiroth was aertiths brother and clouds best friend
and reno was actually rude and the original rude was completely erased
and barret was named blow and the original childhood friend tifa didn't exist
ff7 originally was just gonna be cloud, aerith and barret only in the party nobody else existed

luna is just a reworked stella who was the sibling of ravus who was named lupus, the same way the originally aerith/tifa got reworked into 2 separate characters and they dropped the she is sephiroths sibling part


>>729737550
stella NOX FLEURET
sibling to lupus NOX FLEURET
from the NOX FLEURET family in TENEBRAE
she wears white
she has blonde hair
she has a connection to noctis and by 2013 was changed into being childhood friends with noctis
she is friends with gentiana who is a messanger for stella between tenebrae and the niflheim empire


luna NOX FLEURET
sibling to lupus NOX FLEURET who was renamed to ravus NOX FLEURET
from the NOX FLEURET family in TENEBRAE
she wears white
she has blonde hair but now also ties it up in a crown braid
she has a connection to noctis and is childhood friends with noctis
she is friends with gentiana who is a messanger for luna between humanity and the astral gods
child luna has the exact same design and dress as child stella
luna wore the white roen dress stella had in an earlier draft of Kingsglaive before they changed the movie designs too

lunas design was literally just a slightly modified 2013 stella under naora too

for all intents and purposes luna is just a reworked stella

also all we knew about stellas "personality" was that she was said to be "nice and sticks to her beliefs" which can be said about luna too

>>729738115
for killing ff?

stock increase is because of dq performaing well and the activist investment firm buying up SE shares and trying to scare shareholders to sell which is having opposite effect

>>729740919
who cares game sucks lol

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>>729740919
God this revisionism. Weren't Stella and Noctis supposed to be political enemies in the original concept for VersusXIII? And that the general thrust of the story was that she was ultimately going to betray Noctis or stand in opposition to him as the two tried to wrestle each others country's crystals away?

>>729739636
people say ffxv is great all the time and ff13 is getting a bit of it now too especially because of demand for a modern remaster since its the only ff not available on current gen platforms natively outside xbox back compat
come out of your hugbox

>>729741201
>people say ffxv is great all the time
i have never met anyone IRL who has praised XV
all of the major videos made about XV are about how it sucks
>and ff13 is getting a bit of it now too especially because of demand for a modern remaster
no one is asking for this

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>>729741201
>people say ffxv is great all the time and ff13 is getting a bit of it now too especially because of demand for a modern remaster

>>729741489
>no one is asking for this
Nta, i agree with you that XV and XIII are complete dogshit, but sadly there really are zoomers asking for a remaster of the XIII trilogy. As you can probably imagine none of them have actually played it.

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>>729739998
i took that screencap when i first saw that ff16 vid show up in my search back then
this is them now 7 months later
xv vid praising it has over 160k views
ff16 vid shitting on 16 at 12k

ff16 in general gets barely any interaction either if its shitting or praising it

>>729732052
They spent all the budget on the eikon fights and cutscenes, which are great. The rest of the game is a boring slog

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>>729741684
>xv vid praising it has over 160k views 7 months later

>>729741856
>mediocre
Far nicer language than XV deserves. It wishes it could reach the lofty heights of mediocre.

>>729741075
better than any other ff

>>729742101
play the Sakaguchi ones. you'll be surprised
>>729741947
i actually really enjoyed my time in XV as a spectacle. i just warp striked everywhere and enjoyed the music. but holy shit the autobattle combat with potions and revives was so fucking terrible

>>729737308
all FF is good

>>729742331
I have played every single mainline title and far more of the spinoffs than I care to admit. What you're saying is flat out not true.

this game is only fun on a NG+ difficulty, for the first one only one enemy at the time can attack you it's so ass

>>729739438
Welcome to people disagreeing with each other, anon.

>>729739193
Its crazy but yeah, Rebirth might unironically be filtering some anons.

>>729742751
rebirth just gets tedious at a certain point.
think i put 40 hours in on PS5 and just decided to peace out on it. definitely worth the money but too much side content that's ultimately just filler.

>>729742902
When the biggest complaint about a game is that there is too much ignorable content, you know it’s just a really good game.

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>>729741189
No
that was assumptions
the only thing ever officially stated about stella's story role was that she's "nice" and "sticks to her beliefs", and based on the dialog in the 2009 and 2011 trailer she is trying to find her purpose for being able to see the light and says she thinks there's something she must do, in other words she is trying to find her calling
that is the main contrast with luna who already has her calling as the oracle and healing the people afflicted by the starscourge

luna is technically a political enemy to noctis in FFXV as is right now too because niflheim controls tenebrae and luna is from tenebrae and represents the tenebrae leadership and her brother leads the niflheim military

btw the starscourge was a thing in versus too as was the ring of the lucii that noctis gets as part of the story
the lyrics in somnus directly mentions the "perpetual night" which is what happens as a result of the starscourge
nomura also mentioned the world outside of insomnia is dying and you can see that in both versus and xv

also another key difference was that in versus there were 4 crystals gifted to humanity but 3 of them fully depleted with lucis having the last crystal which is why niflheim wages war on lucis to take the last crystal

in xv it was changed so only 1 crystal was ever gifted to humanity to lucis which had spurred niflheims desire for conquest and why they wage war over the crystal and built an empire that can withstand lucis's magic by way of magitek and daemons

ultimately it just makes the context for why niflheim is so power hungry feel like it comes from a place of pride more than before


in 2013 stella was already changed to being childhood friends with noctis, and the stare down they had in that old 2008 trailer was already deleted by 2011 versus

also nothing indicates that stare down was going to be a fight, for example in ffxv ep ignis, ravus stares ignis down in a fake out

versus was always a roadtrip about the bros

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>>729741489
I have met multiple people IRL who have praised XV
All the major videos about XV are about how it rules

every ff16 video is about how it sucks

>>729743301
lmao game sucks so fucking bad

>>729739810
>ff16 is plot holes galore

>Ask YoshitPiss golems what powers does every bearers have.

This breaks the YoshitPiss golem.

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>>729741856
>super eyenigger wolf

wow its fucking nothing

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I recently finished 16 and enjoyed it. It stops being a GoT clone pretty early on in the game and anybody who claims otherwise has never played the game or go out of their way to find reasons to hate the game. Tell me where in GoT where the main plot was to go around and destroy giant world crystals supplying mana to everybody in the world? Also where are the giant monster fights? People who call it bad have never played a truly bad jrpg like Agarest Wars. 16 has a lot of problems but as a game it's great. The main reason why it gets so much hate is because it's a mainline Final Fantasy title. If it was an original game or a spinoff it would have a huge following like Stranger of Paradise. FF fans just cant stop crying after 13.

>>729743676
>It stops being a GoT clone pretty early on in the game and anybody who claims otherwise has never played the game or go out of their way to find reasons to hate the game.
Then why is it marketed as a shitty got clones

>>729743452
>none over a million views
game sucks lol

>>729742425
accept the truth

The easiest way to discard someone’s opinion on 16 is to wait for them to say mention GOT.

>>729743496
ff16 sucks we know

>>729743879
13 15 and 16 all suck
really 12 sucks too

>>729743932
You’re a retard. 13 is great

>>729739438
Just two retards fighting

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>>729744180
decided 14 years ago

>>729741201
I legitimately never seen anyone say ffxv is good other than Barry they just say it’s ok to meh. I do know one woman but she is mentally ill and ffxv was her first final fantasy game but her favorites are 9 and 14 and even then she knows it isn’t good but still likes it

>>729744237
By a dipshit racist who didn't even play the game?

>>729744469
lol cope

>>729743741
To get normalfags to play it? Duh I legit can count on my hands how many times they had stuff dealing with political stuff like GoT

>>729744469
>By a dipshit racist
Now I know he is correct.

>>729744469
NTA but I gave ff13 a try until the junkyard and the story was dumb, the characters were all unlikable other than sazh. Only thing it has going for it is ok combat that takes way to long to get gud and decent music. I still love the battle theme

>>729743835
You blind? Those are the highest views on any ff16 moveset vid on youtube and those ffxv moveset vids uploaded AFTER the ff16 moveset vids mogged the fuck out of the ff16 vids in views multiple times over
The ffxv spells vid alone has over 1.5 million views now and is the highest views on this guys entire channel now despite uploaded only 1 year ago
https://youtu.be/M6YVfrWQmrY?si=Qxu_YmpP-PHtL8I1

The ffxv armiger moveset vid has 484k views
https://youtu.be/DyOhv0Th5zo?si=VcCKK1Z08xPJwb7K

And the regular xv moveset vid has 343k views
https://youtu.be/Y7--OHBd7LA?si=cHscZ0oYMGW893Jh

And the xv link strikes and unique parry vid has 184k views
https://youtu.be/QITiGvW8VtY?si=JWyA-dBCz6m-PAyi

And the xv party techniques vid has 150k views
https://youtu.be/HW0hqMKRrvk?si=SgDv48qQmRBRy2So

all uploaded in after august 2024 and with thousands of comments praising the game and more likes than the ff16 vids

the highest views for ff16 moveset is 271k views for the leviathan dlc moves
https://youtu.be/tZmkq77tZCo?si=p_9UvRS1ypJYbmnW

while the main game ff16 moveset vid has 189k views
https://youtu.be/IgihGyohtjk?si=nw4CJd4wk4NQzRLy

the ff16 moveset vid was uploaded WHEN FF16 LAUNCHED AT THE HEIGHT OF ITS POTENTIAL RELEVANCE IN JUNE 2023 yet mogged by multiple ffxv moveset vids uploaded in September 2024

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>>729743840

>>729744690
lmao schizo

>>729739685
FF16 at least has arcade mode
The scoring system should've just been present in the whole game, but at least it's there in some form and makes fights more engaging, even if it's in a really simple way
FF15 has Garuda, the training mode fights, and...uh...I guess Pitioss if you like janky platforming

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>>729744690
lol, barryposters are so fucking autistic. Imagine taking the time to analyze youtube view numbers to try and prove on an objective level that your unfinished final fantasy isn't gay/has terrible combat.

>>729735905
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvHsYkApBTE

>>729744748
Dear YoshitPiss golem.
Your game sucks and you can't even defend it. Unfortunately your Yoshit addled brain is only good at inventing deranged coping mechanisms for why 16 flopped.
Its okay.
We will keep ragging you about this game's failure for years to come.

>>729744870
Why did Expedition 33 and Dragons Dogma 2 outsell Final Fantasy 16.

>>729744954
lmao sad

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>>729743932
nah 15 is ludokino
16 sucks

>>729744402
you're living under a rock
xv is literally higher rated by FANS on both psn and steam than ff16 is, and psn and steam requires buying the game to review it
actual fan reception is ffxv is liked way more than ff16

even the e33 director said he loved ffxv and that it influenced the game yet never mentioned ff16

>>729744870
you're the tard who cried and lied about views to begin with dumbass

>unfinished gay final fantasy with terrible combat
but enough about ff16

>>729745114
>even the e33 director said he loved ffxv and that it influenced the game yet never mentioned ff16
lmao interview was with the XV director
sad and lame

>>729744237
I dont know or care who that is. I wish you retards would stop posting these youtube video essays. I like XIII because I like it. Not because some guy made a 45 minute video about it

>>729745250
lmao it's 3 minutes long

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heh

>>729745225
Come on. Let it all out. If you are broken you should face your insecurities first.

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>>729744748
cope

>>729745225
and yet e33 director brought up ffxv on his own and specifically said he loved ffxv and that it influenced e33 and also said ff8 influenced it in the same interview among many other JRPG's too
meanwhile he never once mentioned ff16 despite casting ben starr in the game

FF devs fogot what a fucking RPG is since arround 10~13, linear exploration with little character customization, I played 14 because it looked interesting and people said that it was good and shit but the only RPG mechanic is that you level up your character

square enix cant make JRPG to save their life, they'll probably have to sell to chinese overlords in the future and leave the frenchise in gacha hell

>>729745392
lmao so sad

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>>729745334
s0vl

ff16 is so gay and fake its too scared to make fun of itself in fear of scaring off people

chadnal chadtasy chadfteen mogs

>>729744747
We know. And as people who played the game will attest, most of the GOT influences are more surface level than anything. Using that a basis to judge the whole game is flat out retarded.

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>>729745552
>product placement
>souvl

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>>729745484
sad for you

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>>729745628
always has been

>>729732052
>I haven’t watched Game of Thrones so I can’t speak to what 16 borrows from it.
I watched the show and read the books, and I don't think they are similar. Maybe just the more grounded european fantasy that FF hasn't visited since the SNES days.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CgY3BvHJ0qQ&pp=ygUSSWduaXMgcmVjaXBlaCBzb25n

XV has stuff like this.
What did 16 inspire.

>>729732052
>The story and characters are good.
Why didn't the Undying, who were present at Phoenix Gate that very night, do anything about the attack?
Why didn't any of them get Joshua from his room? Why did Wade have to do it?
Why did a chambermaid notice that Annabella had moved all her belongings out of the castle a week beforehand and notified the Duke of this, but the Undying were apparently unaware?
Why didn't they rescue Clive?
Why did Ultima just so happen to be wearing the exact same cloak Joshua would be wearing in the future?
Where did Joshua hear Ultima's name in the first place? The Undying said they had no idea about him until Joshua ordered them to investigate.
Why does Primogenesis randomly disappear at times?
Why did Joshua continue killing himself to keep Ultima in his chest even when he was well aware that Ultima was still just floating out there doing whatever the fuck he wanted anyway?
Why do major characters including the main heroine have their conclusions hidden in sidequests while you spend 6 hours a piece on Martha, the Dame, and L'ubor?
Why did Sanbreque never notice the giant tidal wave frozen in time about a mile up the shoreline from their capitol city, or why did they never investigate it?
Why did Ultima spend so much time driving Sanbreque to world conquest only for it to amount to nothing at all and not aid in his plan in any way because he already had control of all the world's nations and could have activated worldwide mind control at any time?
Why was Clive's unit sent to kill Shiva's dominant, when Sanbreque at the time was fighting Waloed? Why would they aid their enemy? Why was Clive's random unit of prisoner soldiers sent to kill an eikon at all?

>>729746365
i hope they fire maehiro

>>729745330
Dont care not watching

>>729746365
I can go through any FF game (hell, any game ever) and point out plot contrivances and plot holes. This is not the “got ya” you think it is. No FF has ever had 100% air-tight writing and you know it.

Imagine a remake of 15.

>>729747368
God if only

>>729722904
lying retard

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>>729747368
Careful what you ask for.

>>729747368
it would be the greatest jrpg ever made if the true vision of 13 versus / 15 came out. its speculated that the full story of noctis was supposed to be trilogy as well.

>>729747612
>t. Larry

Clive was a gigachad, Cloud is gay-faggot.

>>729747298
>I can go through any FF game (hell, any game ever) and point out plot contrivances and plot holes.
Do it then. XVI's story is fundamentally fucked, because the whole foundation of its story (Phoenix Gate) makes no fucking sense.

>>729747670
It's unfortunate it's tied to Kingdom hearts.

>>729747368
Only way I’d play that is if they gave us Versus 13

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7L_6atLQouc
This shit was kino, and me realize what I missed from old god of war.

>>729748782
>Do it then.
Why does Cloud kill Shinra troops so indiscriminately, yet when it came time to kill Rufus he hesitated? One a million examples

>>729749719
He never hesitated to kill Rufus, what the fuck are you talking about? Rufus fled on his helicopter.

>>729749790
You mean, Cloud pointed his blade at him and walked him down in slow motion, giving him ample time to flee on his helicopter. Why didn’t he just blitz him? Because the plot. Anon. Rufus needed to stay alive. Its called a plot contrivance and its present is most games.

>>729729210
Rebirth mogs the fuck out of every FF in the last 20 years.

>>729750212
>You mean, Cloud pointed his blade at him and walked him down in slow motion, giving him ample time to flee on his helicopter.
What the fuck are you babbling about? Why are you just making shit up?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nC6_pigHCMk
>Why didn’t he just blitz him?
Because Rufus just jumps away.
>Its called a plot contrivance and its present is most games.
Yeah, Rufus escaping is a plot contrivance. FFXVI goes far and beyond plot contrivances. The entire foundation of the story is fucked from the start. Because you find out halfway through the game that Joshua actually has a secret cult of psychotic ninjas that guard him at all times and that they were present at Phoenix Gate during the attack. And yet... they weren't there. For unexplained reasons they weren't watching him, they didn't rush to him when the attack started, a random soldier was able to get to Joshua to escort him before any of them were. Oh, but they WERE able to drag his body away off-screen. It's ludicrous. Not to mention that all the consequences of Phoenix Gate are undone two hours into the game, meaning that the entire event only serves to fill the demo with bait. And that's just the story's biggest problem, it's far from the only one. We're well past plot contrivances here, and if Rufus running from the fight before you could get the chance to click Attack again is all you can come up with in XVI's defense, I think that says everything right there.

VII > XVI > XIV > FFVII R
I hate XIV now btw and I don't mind playing Remake/Rebirth but I get burned out in a day so I have to take long breaks playing it.

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A lot of the plot was nonsense and the world building was basically non existent because it didn't bother to play by its own rules but I enjoyed 16 for what it was at least. I play a lot of jrpgs so it's pretty refreshing to play these squenix titles that are high budget now and then.

>>729750212
>plot contrivance
I don't think you know what that means, because a plot contrivance is far more than just "I didn't like how they used rule of cool over realism" and it's most certainly nowhere near as big a failing as a complete breakdown in logical sequencing.

FFXVI is hated for autistic reasons and this poster isn't really helping disprove that.
>MUH ELEMENTAL DAMAGE

>>729751028
Oh okay. So rule of cool is okay except for when it’s about FF16. Go you.

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Apologize.

>>729735905
He's just taking her for a walk on a leash.

>>729751296
>unironically ignores the "nowhere near as big a failing as a complete breakdown in logical sequencing" part
I can see why FFXVI appealed to your smooth shiny brain

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>>729745028
Sales =/= Artistic Quality
Shadow of the Colossus didn't break 2 million in sales on the PS2.
Fortnite has been the most profitable game for who knows how long, and shit like Genshin and other Chinese gacha is thriving. The people are retarded and they've said with their wallet that they want to eat shit.
That said, I really enjoyed Clair Obscur and am thrilled to see it have the success it has garnered. But I think people were too microbrained to appreciate the level of earnestness that FFXVI put behind its character writing and narrative theming. Tough to remember the last modern media that was able to tell its story without so much of an inch of the millennial irony that plagues so much modern writing.

>>729752106
>Artistic Quality
Has nothing to do with VIDEOGAMES

I liked this game but it's wayyyyy too long. double the length it needed to be. I hope ff17 continues with the same formula but adds a full party of playable characters and some more depth to the combat in general.

>>729751296
Where was this retarded rule of cool when Clive was getting bitched around like the slave he is for 13 years.