It's Japanese N2 time anon.
>>729726327Iunko what will you do?>ears something something>tail something something>eyes something something>bark?How did I do?
This is 95% of all the kanji you'll ever needJust do it anons, get over the hump and you'll be free of localizers forever
>>729726327>fluent in 2 languagesI'm too retarded for a third. My brain would be knocking out some important stuff to make room. Like how to shit, or something
>>729726701>now multiply the number of kanjis by 5 because each kanji has 5 different meanings
>>729726701Which one to use with my Japanese gf
>>729726659fucking terrible. its>spin right>spin left>stare"bark" is barely ok i guess
>>729727020You don't need to learn all the meanings, just one keywordOnce you know what you're looking at acquiring readings and meanings becomes trivial through vocab study
>>729726327>to left >to right>three ? lmao these shit are hard without kanji>fail? but I guess not in this situation cause of ! mark kekthis looks N5 at best though
>>729726804>fluent in 2 languagesenglish doesn't countnative language doesnt countyou are at 0 anon at best 1
>>729727436示尻
I got a shiba dog thinking it would help me learn japanese but the stupid dog won't talk japanese fucking hell?
>>729726701What are the bottom half? I barely recognize any. Are those for names only?
>>729726659and the name is Iwanko
>>729727958I'm not an ESL, thoughever.
>>729728230no its unko
>>729728271if you aren't older than 50 you can still learn a new language anon adults just learn slower compared to kids
>>729728216No there's a separate ~500-1000 for names, those in the picture are all joyo
Grammar is the true filter. Kanji are just words.
Kore wa pen desu
>>729732410Watashi wa pen desu
>>729726327OP pic is N5-tier.
>>729726327right somethingleft somethingdunnodunnowhat the fuck is kurukuru? whats mitsumeru and baatsu
>>729726327I'm already fluent and live in Japan with my wife.
>>729726701>each has multiple readings>each word has 1 to 4 >the combinatorial explosion of 'the kanji you'll ever need' is larger than the atoms in the universeill get back to manosaba tomorrow it's been half a year without reading anything in japanese
>>729733635>kurukuruMimetic word for rolling/spinning. Ever played Katamari? Kuru Kuru Rock.
>>729734357neat..
I passed N1 in 2016 and live in Japan by myself.Happy new year, btw. I'll rest a bit and take a walk around come morning.
>>729734357A better example would be the Kuru Kuru Kururin series, idiot.
>>729726701why would you make this so complicated? even on purpose there is no way you could so this
>>729734443Never heard of it, but the more examples the better.
>>729726659It's over. I'm barely N5 and even I know that's baby tier text
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NY0ffyEu6uo
>>729734402That's so sad, man. Get some help.
>6 years in>consume everything from japan in japanese>still sometimes have moments where I question if I know the languageGugu gaga I'm retarded baby haha
>>729734550That's probably because you don't know Japanese.
>>729734695matt warned about this. 1000 more hours of input will fix it
>>729734727I will not be dragged back into the bucket, crab.
>>729726701100 n5 kanjis are enough for me.
>>729734867Massive ngmi energy from this one.
>>729734535Then>to keep plebs from reading government documentsNow>to keep plebs from entering Japan
>>729735857No, it was a holdover from when their writing system was adopted from China. They never changed it because it was the standard. They are well aware that it's complex and difficult to learn, even as natives.
What games are you playing right now, anons?
>>729733635
>>729736045Why did Korea create an easier system but Japan didn't?
>>729736691How do you know which is "easier" or "harder" if all you know is English?
>>729737140because you can use your eyeballs to observe things and make inferences
>>729736691Literacy concerns had already been an issue in the country since the 1870s. I believe Hangul started being used in government documents by the early 1900s. Ironically it was Japan who finally forced Korea to standardize its writing system in 1933 while under their rule.While Japan too was put under immense pressure by the U.S. to reform its writing system, I think the country used the "you're erasing our history!!!11!1" excuse and has since not reexamined the issue.>>729737140It's harder, retard. That's why every country has been working to simplify it in some way since the 1900s.
>>729730695This, I fucking hate grammar.>>729736395I accidentally downloaded the japanese version of tales of destiny and I'm a little too pussy to play something without furigana.
>>729737524>It's harder, retard. That's why every country has been working to simplify it in some way since the 1900s.Japanese people can choose to all start writing in Hiragana and Katakana only at any time they like. No one is forcing them to write things in Kanji.
Has learning Japanese changed much with AI coming around?Back when I did it, it was pretty much just Anki, Genki, and WaniKani being tossed around. I wouldn't mind getting back into learning because I did have fun when I did it.
>>729738085Just use OCR. Anything running on Google Lens is 99% accurate now.For example: >>729736395>それも 大人の成熟した女性ではなく未成熟の可憐な乙女の姿を追求していたも!
>>729736691korean has more sounds than japanese so its easier to get away with not having kanjinot having kanji in japanese would make reading words like 国土交通省観光庁観光産業課 a terrible experience>>729737524kanji really isnt that bad the only real issues with it are that its harder to learn for foreigners and a pain to handwrite
>>729738221I was wondering about this toois there any way to use a character AI to practice grammar with, perhaps if it corrects me on my grammar as I send it messages? >talking with a bot is not all that enjoyable >however, neither is studying
>>729738234Hmmmmnyo
>>729726327where da kanji at?
>>729738220No, they can't. The 常用漢字 is the nation's standard, and the two syllabaries would require another reform to make reading easier.>>729738265It really is that bad. The readings are complex, and having to juggle three different scripts at any given time makes the language very complex to write.
>>729738330Have fun being a dekinai then.
>>729738464>The readings are complex,not really an issue because natives already know all the words place names and names are the only real problem when it comes to reading them for natives
>>729738640First of all, natives don't "know all the words." Second, even if they did "know all the words," they do not know all the spellings. This is why furigana was almost a necessity to read pre-reform works.
>>729726804You have to relearn the second after you learn the third but it’s way easier to learn
>>729738810its still a really overblown issue for nativesanybody with a mild interest in reading can read almost everything they want with minimal lookups and worst case they just skip over a few kanji readings in their head but still understand it
>>729738320Sounds pretty basic, should be possible with any model that knows Japanese. Just ask it to correct your grammar as you talk.
>>729738810>natives don't "know all the words."you know this is the case for EVERY language?also nice ESL
>>729739028It's not overblown at all. It takes a considerable time investment for natives to be able to read their country's classics vs. an English speaker of similar educational background.
>>729726327That's literally N5.
>>729739206>you know this is the case for EVERY language?Yup.>also nice ESL?
>>729738234is there a convenient way to use google lens on pc
>>729738234>成熟these are very complicated kanji with too many strokes close to each otherdoesn't it hurt your eyes in a sense? viewing it on browser or just overall
>>729738545I know the words and I can understand that sentence, my problem is not knowing the pronounciation and sometimes meaning of individual words, even with OCR I have to google them anyway and I can just do that with handwriting.
>>729726327>no KanjiHow do people read this shit
>>729739225>to be able to read their country's classicsim talking about normal stuff for normal peoplenot that the average college graduate american can read shakespeare anyway
>>729726659I'm probably not even N5 and here is my translation:>twirl to the right>twirl to the left>stare at>(actually don't know what the last option is)>what to do with iwanko
>>729739458They're not complicated at all, and if you already know the word 成熟 then you don't even care about "complicated" or "number of strokes" and just go directly to thinking "せいじゅく" in your mind.
millions have become native level in english through just immersion, just communicate in the new language even though you suck at itread in the new language and listen in the new languageyou automatically pick up every grammar point and get a native level vocabulary same work for Japanese and any language, what is the point of studying grammar and grammar rules? natives don't even know how their grammar work, they just know the proper way to talk because that is how everyone talks just immerse and you will be nihongo native within 5-6 years
>>729739548The last one is a barking noise i don't know wtf that other anon who told OP correct translations for the others was smoking
>>729739625jamal from djt says it takes 10k hours of anime with eng subtitles to get good
>>729739604I only know seifuku because I learned everything from anime what do I need to watch/play to learn words like seijuku?
>>729739672Don't take advice from a bunch of retards who can't even read 引き戸 without scrambling for their hover dictionary.
>>729739548>>729739664いないいないばあっ!
日本が軍隊を平和維持のために海外に派遣することについての是非が盛んに討議された。if u can read this ur gonna make it
>>729726701>>729726327I'm actually trying to learn, but I don't want to speak it or write it, just read it and listen to it, is this something viable or? Just watching and learning grammar with dolly videos and vocabs with Anki. Also IMMERSIOOON
>>729739743You get your textbooks and flash cards out and study retard>hurr you can learn Japanese by immersionYou really can't. Grammar is so different from English that you won't. Yeah it's easy to learn English through immersion when you speak a European language like dutch or Spanish that is already extremely similar to English
i called a dog wanchan in the dog cafe and everyone laughed at me did i learn the word wrong?
>>729739743vns, novels, blogs, social media, wikipedia, etcanime, podcasts, youtube, tv, movies, conversations with natives, manzai, etc
>>729739743Don't waste your time mining chuuni words like this that don't ever actually show up in anything.
>>729739932that just proves you need an even bigger passive vocab to understand normal things than most people say
>>729739932its simple, if it says common word on jisho then I add it
>>729739625>watch anime>read manga>listen to vocaloid>almost 20 years and still not fluentowari da>>729739834>sending japanese army overseas for the sake of keeping peace something something discussion?ngmida
>>729739206When it comes to discussing learning languages, ESL is not an insult when the room is full of EOPs.
>>72974009217500 frequency is not common by any stretch. That's needless chuuni shit that will only bloat your deck size.
>>729740136who says you have to mine itthe reading and meaning are both obvious when youve seen it once
>>729740107See >>729739862Learning Japanese by immersion is a meme pertetuated by people who don't actually know Japanese and are too lazy to actually study. Japanese has retard grammar. There's higher level concepts that you just won't get through immersion alone
>>729740205You haven't "learned" the word until you've added it to your mining deck and reviewed it at least 5 times. Otherwise you're just whitenoising it and won't ever remember it later on.
>>729740267thats a retarded opinion and i hope you are joking
>ぐでんぐでん>ベロンベロン>ぐでぐで>ベロベロ>へべれけ>乱酔>泥酔Why do nips have 7 words that all mean "dead drunk"????
>>729739345Most convenient, but not as user-friendly: https://github.com/AuroraWright/owocrSemi-convenient, but more user-friendly: https://github.com/matt-m-o/YomiNinjaLeast convenient, but most user-friendly: Google Images
>>729739932the problem is 99% of people in this thread doesn't live in japanthe word the other anon sent, 成熟 is NOT used at all, it is a word that exist but never used irl the proper word is 大人 or 大人らしくmany other words are like this in anime/mangapeople mine manga and end up talking like some edgelord out of anime with their word choices
>>729740350I'm completely serious. It's just like how in real life, you don't master a word until you've used it 5~7 times. Same shit with Japanese. You need constant, repeated exposure to a word in order to master its meaning, otherwise when you see it the next time it'll just be like>uhhhh what was that word again uhhh well it feels like I've seen it before so I'll just like assume I know it and keep goingwhich is not helpful to one's comprehension or mastery of the language in the long run.
>>729726701how the fuck do the chinese read at least japanese has kana to add some flow to the text
>>729740447酩酊
>>729739458Eh, you get used to it. Most readers are recognizing it by the general shape, rather than the individual strokes. Helps if you already know the word.
>>729739856I'm still a beginner but I've been going through WaniKani and I can recognize like 6-700 kanji but I can't write any of them. Reading is my best skill because of this, but I can barely speak because output isn't something I have practiced at all. I have trouble pulling out words off the top of my head, but would recognize them if I saw/heard them. So from my experience, I would say they are definitely separate skills somewhat.
>>729739495Then you effectively don't know the words. Handwriting them will only make the process longer.
>>729740535lets hear you speak japanese on vocaroo so we can see how this method worked out for you
>>729740565Kanji is waaaaay easier to read than kana once you know it. Chinese is way easier to read than Japanese because of it
>>729739546Then you aren't speaking objectively on the matter.
>>729740702>if you didn't use my method you didn't learn and I don't believe you are native levelthis is some console wars shit
>>729739856yea thats the easiest part, reading and listening
>>729726327I failed anatomy in my nursing class for the second time, and missed registration for a repeat.I have six years left to complete the course (I only have four semesters past anatomy), but I'll be spending a third of the year no longer in school.This is the first time I haven't been in some form of continuous education since 2022. Would I get much done if I started on Japanese in this time?
>>729740753nah i just want to hear the level of this guy talking bigi know he never will post anything that proves actual ability but thats part of the fun
>>729740107>>watch anime>>read manga>>listen to vocaloid>>almost 20 years and still not fluent>owari daif you actually started to learn you would in 2-3 months make the progress of a complete beginner would do in a whole year if not morenot even joking in the slightestyour brain is already extremely accustomed to thousands of words and from listening this much already know how to pronunciate words properly in japanese
>>729740825Anon if you can't memorize the 200~300 things you need to know to pass Human Anatomy, you have zero, nay, less than zero hope of learning anything in Japanese. Sorry to say it but you sound like a complete and utter imbecile.
>>729740938the issue is not him, it is his self disciplineif he puts his mind he could achieve both
>>729740885This is not true. I'd been watching anime for 15 years before I decided to start learning and it didn't help me AT ALL.
>>729741019did you actually listen to the words and how they sound while consuming anime or was it background noise for you and you just read the subs?key difference
>>729740534So? There are tons of words people dont say in english irl but you should know them anyways.
>>729741019>he got hit by The Dostedt Effectlmao
>>729740938>>729741009Nah I just didn't study.I didn't need to for other classes and was getting 80s, so I figured a 65 in anatomy wouldn't hurt me that badly.And then I failed.
>>729741131I did the same thing anyone who's not learning the language would, so yeah just a background noise.
>>729740938I'd say making sense of this shit is way harder than japanese
As a beginner, I really don't understand the learning by just watching anime thing. To learn through input, it has to be comprehensible and I don't think jumping straight into native material is very comprehensible, especially at the speed that Japanese is spoken. I feel like there are also some grammar patterns that are really unintuitive.
>>729741165not the pointthe point is the person learning can't be aware which is the proper word without actually getting feedback from a native speaker you learn this word and start using it in your normal speech, but you actually end up with weird habits
>>729741262if you also read (which will be slowly with a dictionary) then eventually it all comes together
>>729741262you should watch chiikawa to learn
>>729741262The point with that is to actually comprehend Japanese as language and words, and not just sounds.Most people who watch anime subbed don't hear Japanese- they hear noises they don't understand. You watch with a conscious effort to discern individual words, pronunciations, that kind of thing.This isn't like, how you learn Japanese. It's just cataloging it in your mind as vocab.
>>729741262Grammar patterns by N3 are incomprehensible by native English speakers by immersion alone, you'll need to actually have some sort of actual study material by then
>>729741249Yeah, and the fact that someone isn't willing to sit down and grind out simple things like this (which realistically consolidate down into groups which are easier to remember anyway) then it's probably for the best that they go nowhere near being an actual nurse, because if they can't be assed to remember things like this, what fuck ups will they make which can jeopardize human lives because they weren't willing to remember things that actually matter?The sooner you grasp that most of this is designed to filter out undisciplined, lazy shitfucks, the quicker you understand most "higher education" and particularly the medical sphere.
How about a Japanese MMO to learn?
>>729739856Reading it is easier if you know how to write it, speaking it will come naturally after enough exposure, you can listen and learn vocab through romaji
>>729741476i got a perfect score on the grammar section of the n1 with basically just tae kim and input
>>729741604Tae kim is actual study material retard
>>729738640
>>729741831yes but its very little and basic
>>729741442>The point with that is to actually comprehend Japanese as language and words, and not just sounds.I just feel like there are better ways to do that than jumping straight into anime. For example, those comprehensible input videos on Youtube that are made specifically for that purpose
>>729741604Is that what you're telling people now, Fakeshit? You don't even live in Japan lmaoOh yeah, this is my thread now.
>>729741876Love this archetype.
>>729741546MMOs suck enough in English.
>>729741604I don't know how that's even possible. I found Tae Kim really tedious to read until I had a bit of kanji under my belt because otherwise I had to go back and forth constantly between his examples and his vocab sections. Even after I could read it, it didn't even cover all of N4.
>>729742586He's lying. He's from a thread called the DJT on /jp/, and he's a notorious shitposter and lolcow. He still struggles with basic grammar concepts and words. I've helped him with his Japanese more times than I can count.
why dont japanese learn english instead for a change?
>>729742773Despite Japan spending billions each year to do so, the classes suck and most of the internet and media they consume is in Japanese. They're isolated from us, so it's as inconvenient for them as it is us to learn each other's language.
>>729742773Why would they want to learn the language of niggers and jeets
Toromi's being racist again lol
>>729742773for what? to play AAA games with ugly women and blacks? to play indie furry garbage? to watch movies and read books filled with cuckshit and femoid slop? lolshitglish has no value outside of learning it for work
>>729743180>*conveniently ignores everything made before 2010*
>>729726327Pokemon is N2?
>>729743326Trying to assign JLPT N levels to native Japanese works is a fool's errand. Even the easiest Tsubasa Bunko slop designed for young readers has N1 grammar and vocabulary in it, words that fly off the JPDB frequency lists despite being common, everyday things that regular human beings are expected to know.What learners want is shit that doesn't exist - shit specifically designed for and catering to JSLs, when what they need to do is suck it up and abandon any notions of N levels having any meaning and just start engaging with native media.
I got lazy and didn't do my reps for a few months and now the backlog is huge and I can't recall a lot of cardsAny protips?
>>729743876There are graded readers.
>>729743941its over just reset every card
>>729743972decent way to start but you will need to cross the gap to real japanese eventually anyway
>>729743972Garbage which will ultimately get you nowhere.
>>729744108better advertisements and less melanin in the store
>>729744108I've been there its really the same shit. Sure the menu items differ but taste is the same
>>729744228>better advertisementsgood goyim
>>729744073Dumb black and white thinking. That's like saying knowing the word "nani" is USELESS to Japanese because just knowing that one word is not enough to get by. Learning a language is an incredibly long process, every single bit of information you are able to absorb helps.
>>729744073What a stupid thing to say
>>729744337i like the shrimp burger
>>729744394Yup.
watashi -> girl or shy guyboku -> guy but talk to stranger (normal person)ore -> giga confident guy that will steal your girl
>2 years in of studying every day>RTK>tae kim and cure dolly>kaishi 1.5k>my own mining deck with 3000 words>read yotsubato and kino no tabi>watched a couple shows with jap subtitles>pass n3 by a few points>still have days where i feel completely cluelesswhen will it end
>>729744958>watashi -> girl or shy guyNo. Watashi is a polite, gender-neutral way of addressing oneself. Does pic-related look shy to you?>boku -> guy but talk to stranger (normal person)No, boku can be used with friends and family as well.>ore -> giga confident guy that will steal your girlNo, this is the preferred pronoun by most men in Japan in casual settings.
>>729744958These are all used by the same person depending on the context and who he's talking to. Watashi is neutral, business-like, boku is humble, ore is non-humble. Also apparently there are two different versions of boku depending on how you pitch accent it, but I have no idea how that changes things.
>>729744958>>729745104Anki told me boku is also used by older men to sound younger, kinda like you'd call yourself a boy despite being 30 yo...
>>729745050years after comfortably being able to pass n1
>>729744958Congrats you're not just wrong, you're also retarded
Are there any sites or applications that I can use for reading comphrehension?I can read beginner-level material okay now, but I feel like I just guess the meaning from context without actually understanding the grammar. And yes, I've studied grammar, but I feel like I need tests or something now.
>>729745164It can be used by men of any age as a semi-polite form of address. But the Anki deck you were using is right in the sense that it does carry a boyish tone to it.
>>729745276NHKNews EasyYomuYomu (app)Bunpo (app)
>>729745276You clearly haven't studied enough if you still need beginner-material lol
>>729745276Copy paste a sentence into google translate and/or deepL if you're not sure about the meaning. Keep in mind what they say won't always be right. The more context you give them the more likely they will be to get it right. Also sometimes that's what you need to make things click for yourself too, because Japanese is very contextual. If you're not getting it, reread the previous sentence. Then read the sentence AFTER the sentence you're struggling with. Sometimes it clicks after that.
>>729744958i use oresama
>>729745559DeepL is behind in its technology. Google Translate is only usable now because they switched to Gemini.
waga -> you learned japanese from anime (only watch edgekino)sessha -> cute girl (thinks she lives in edo period)boku -> tatemae, they act like they are polite lol
>>729745580using sama to yourself is an N5 rookie mistake please go back to learn from scratch
>>729745669learning japanese helps women swallow better during bjs
>>729744958how do you learn these? they weren't part of tae kim
>>729745798aren't those like the first thing you learn about japanese?
>>729745696oresama doesn't care about such things
>>729745630>waga -> you learned japanese from anime (only watch edgekino)Politicians and activists still use it frequently to talk about their country.>sessha -> cute girl (thinks she lives in edo period)Sessha isn't feminine.>boku -> tatemae, they act like they are polite lolOr they're just being polite.
>>729744958>giga confident guy that will steal your girlThat's ore-sama.And cats use wagahai
>>729745838The joke________________Your head
>>729726327Theres too many things I wanna learn in 2026 and not enough time to learn and practice all of it>reading/writing/speaking japanese>Vulkan graphics API>DSP programming>operating systems>playing acoustic guitar>riding a motorcycle>cooking new foodsplus I need to workout everyday. Fuck
>>729745890>cats use wagahaicats cant talk weebsama
>>729745919Go back to playing mahjong, Ichihime.
>>729745946>he can't talk to catsHow can you be terrible at both Japanese and Cat?
test prep materials are harder than the actual tests.i was studying for n3 stuff, but all the resources were like n2 and 1 level shit.got into the actual test and it was piss easy, got nearly a perfect score. then went into n2 with no further study and passed it pretty easily.i shouldve just went straight to n1 apparently
>>729745919>inb4 shitposting the entire year
>>729746037No shit a quiz format test is easy as fuck. N1 is a scam.
>>729746149maybe but HR fags still require it
I really, really fucked up anonscan someone please help?so I've been studying japanese for a whole year but I never tried to learn how the sounds "sound"does it make sense? so I actually learned bunch of words and grammar thanks to anki but I talk like it is englishdoes it make sense?like imagine someone reads a japanese text but reads it as if it is englishis there a way to fast undo this? like I really learned bunch of words (mostly romanji) but I read them wrong if that makes sense
>>729746149chinese people can pass N1 without knowing japanese much if at all
>>729746236Watch a show or play a game in Japanese with the subs on. You'll hear how it should sound.
>>729746149>>729746203the point isnt that n1 means you know japanese its just if you know literally any japanese at all you can easily pass n1 so not being able to pass it means you clearly suck enough to not even consider giving an interview to (n2 in some cases as well)
>>729746236>anki??? doesn't anki literally read the words for you
>>729726701>you'll be free of localizers foreverwhy do you have to lie? the westoid sjw pozcalizer cunts are enlisted to tell japs to put spats on girls so you can't see their panties. then their censorship is propagated to the jap version too (to stop the gaijin from screeching that japan got the good stuff again)
>>729746398I play anki with sound turned off, I didn't even know it had sound...
>>729746236Post Vocaroo
>>729746325I read a written exam exists for japanese proficiency and like less than 10 foreigners ever passed it.
>>729746325>n1 is baby japanese, you cant speak at allmmhmm do love me some edgy 12 year old 4chan nonsense in the morning
>>729746512Toromi...
>>729746558N1 doesn't even test speaking. Just reading and listening comprehension, and only in quiz format so you have a good chance to be correct even if you randomly guess.
>>729741131Nobody is sitting there writing shit down, dude. Watching seasonal anime for a decade gives you about the same amount of Japanese knowledge as you can get in 2 weeks of actual study, for 30 minutes a day.
>>729746236>is there a way to fast undo this?yes faggotron. just study jap's phonology. wikipedia has an entire article to ityou don't even have to go balls deep (e.g. bidakuon aka what boomers do when they pronounge the が column closer to nga)
>>729746236Dont use romaji Id go to tofugu learn hiragana page and do that, it has all the sounds
>>729746558thats not at all what i saidhowever it is definitely possible to pass the n1 and barely be able to speak japanese the score threshold is so extremely low and it doesnt test output
>>729746515That's the kanken. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanji_Kentei At the highest levels it's just a dick waving contest.
>>729745946then explain I Am A Cat. you can't, retard
anyone who uses japanese words online like kusoge, imouto, ntr, etc instantly proves they dont know shit about japan or its language.people who think "christmas cake" is a thing are even more laughable
>>729746847It was all a dream. The cat is just a fat retard dying of heart failure.
>>729746967>people who think "christmas cake" is a thing are even more laughablehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_cake#Asia just ate a Christmas cake with my wife a week ago.
>>729746967all of these are normal words?
my ramen shop doesn't give free rice refills anymorehow to cope?
>>729747224Take the off-topic discussion elsewhere, lil romi.
>>729746967What exactly is your issue here buddy? Do you also get mad when people say Tsunami, Karaoke, Honcho? What about NEET?
>>729746967youre retarded
>>729747471>>729747484angry 23 year old weebs fapping to moe shit in backwards iowa
>>729740505I was surprised to see Yomi Ninja updated not too long ago, I thought it was abandoned.
>>729746967>people who think "christmas cake" is a thingA thing in what way? I never thought it was a serious thing
a sad factgaikokujin only get the leftovers, the leftover cake is most will get to see
>>729747608You haven't actually provided a reason as to why you're so upset. It's just somewhat baffling really.
>>729747619I think it was for a little while, but the creator finally got back to it. I don't like how clunky it is, but it does work.
>>729746967lil dekiniggai talmlike they got their imouto ntrd because they were too busy eating christmas cake while playing kusoge
>learn Japanese for vidya>by the time I'm fluent everything I wanted to play has already been translatedOh well
>>729748716what did you learn for
I learn for she
>>729748869that is average beauty in japan
>>729748716It ain't about that. The translation's gonna be inherently wrong, so you do it to understand what they're saying verbatim.
>>729749029Nah average people of any race are ugly
>>729749029the average japanese woman looks more like this
>>729749128the average woman looks like that without cosmetics
>>729749128if she lose weight she will literally become model tier desu
>>729749128She looks like my wife lol
>>729745919Do you mean classical guitar? You can learn enough to play "acoustic" bonfire guitar in two weeks.
>>729745919commit hard to one. park the others. if you dont do this you'll end up doing none.
Just two more weeks broYou can learn literally anything if you just give it two more weeks
>>729749591Truet. guy who plays guitar
>>729745919I managed to learn four different skills in 2025 by tracking every single thing and building up habits day by day, it's certainly possible
>>729749659Weird usage of that meme but ok.
>>729749774>its possibleIf you're an unemployed fag maybe
>>729749787This
Is it rude to use foreign words in casual conversation with people who dont know what they mean?
>>729752210I don't know mon gars. You tell me.
>>729752359Id say it is rude
>>729726327I failed spectacularly this year and I'd just fail even harder next year. The smug bitch was right.
>>729749591I meant acoustic but I wasnt really considering classical, that seems like it could be fun>>729749631I've been able to juggle learning multiple things at once in the past, namely music (saxophone) + programming + martial arts. but it's hard to maintain over a long period of time. Sometimes life just hits you and you have to drop things. I can do maybe 2 at once reliably, but I aim for 3, recently I've only been at 1 so I wanna get my routine back together. There's still just too much to learn and too little time.>>729749774That's very good, what did you learn?
>>729743180that's what it means to you to learn a foreign language? HOLY SHIT you are stupid. It has nothing to do with that, you massive braindead amerimutt.
>>729753365Classical is rather difficult to find (free) material online for. Just follow justinguitar or something if you want lean a more rock/pop oriented path.Altthough getting a tutor early on is a good idea to root bad habits out of you.
>>729726327>using onomatopoeia beyond noisesJapanese is an unserious, childish, primitive language. I'm so glad I dropped it.
>>729753661>consume media>be a normalfag subhuman and talk to other normalfags from other place>workanything else is worthless
>>729726659Better stick to westoid media
>>729726701Wanna know what else will free me from LOLcalizers? Quitting media altogether.I barely played/watched/read stuff this year and my energy levels will only decrease as my poor habits catch up to me.
>>729755203>nothing le matters anymoreCool meme.
>>729726701Kanji are useless on their own.
>>729730695>Kanji are just words.They're not.
>>729755295>non sequiturmeds
>>729755486So are alphabet characters, guess you don't need to learn them
>>729738221>Has learning Japanese changed much with AI coming around?No. You still have to put in the effort and get thousands of hours of input.
>>729741262You have to watch the same thing repeatedly.Every time you re-watch something, you'll understand a little bit more of it.
>>729755598Learning kanji is like learning ap + ple separately instead of learning "apple." The appropriate analog of the alphabet is hiragana + katakana.
>>729742773They do.
>>729743326It's made for japanese natives, so some of it will be N1.Plus, the fact that it uses barely any kanji makes it impossible for a beginner learner.
Im feeling sick and dont want to study :(
>>729745050>RTKPointlesst. wasted 6 months on that crap.
>>729746236You need to study phonetics. Dogen has a massive course on this stuff.It's on nyaa.
>>729755912>Learning kanji is like learning ap + ple separately instead of learning "apple."No it's not
>>729756081You were filtered, I finished it in 40 days and it made vocab acquisition and reading actually fun instead of daunting
>>729756081I only read a tiny bit but it seems very useful and interesting
>>729756249It's more like having to learn how the symbol 'a' is pronounced while already knowing how to pronounce 'pple'
>>729726701Is this for jrpgs?
>>729756732It's actually the opposite, when you learn "c" you don't learn that it's pronounced differently in car, cell, and science, you just learn that c is cSimilarly when you learn kanji you just learn their most common meaning and shape so you can confidently recognize and produce them, everything else you learn through vocab
>>729756932No those are joyo kanji, the general use kanji, JRPGs use some rarer irl terms like armor, helmet etc which have their own kanji, they're in the remaining 5%
>>729726327That's N5
Thoughts on duolingo?
>>729756081I dropped it early but what I learnt from there helped me a lot to search by radical/part and that saved me a ton of time when I was starting.
>>729757189Normalfag Anki that you have to pay for
>>729757228I like that its sort of like a game, it helps get a bit of dopamine in the system when i am struggling.Im surprised there are very little notes on grammar though
>>729757053So by that example if I take the 林 out of 林檎 it'll be pronounced "rin" right?
I'm learning Kanji, got a book of 2000, I'm on 1730 right now (although at least 33% I cant remember correctly)What I get confused about, is text credits on shows, it appears so quickly sometimes that how can you even translate the message that quickly? Especially ifs its more unusual kanji, I can't make out what it says in a second
>>729757360The fact you have to pay for it monthly gives them the incentive to never really teach you anything properly to keep you subscribed as long as possible
>>729757142Are the ones in the pic posted there in the 2k/6k deck?
>>729757598I think you learn to look for key kanji since most of it is filler ね???
>>729757598Why would you care about credits? Am I missing something?
>>729757369Did you you read what anon typed? Or am I readingit wrong?>If you take the c out of cell it'll be pronounced /s/ rightNo, you learn the common pronunciation, and get the others through vocab.
>>729757931I think its really a test of reading quick messages. You're right, its not the credits thats important, but if I want to read japanese I need to know what I'm reading if the message is really quick
>>729757598are you talking about names? they have their own rules and are extra fucked up
>>729758104>learn the common pronunctiation of 行く>read 行う as iu
>>729746236the absolute state of anki drones
>>729757369You again understood the opposite of what I was sayingIf I take out "e" out of ride, how do you pronounce what's left?
>>729758202>Learn the common pronunciation of c>read cell as kell
>>729758110I can read English ridiculously fast and I can't keep up with film credits when they're triple spaced and rapidly scrolling. You're not meant to, it's a holdover from when you could credit an entire production in 5 minutes. Now if you want to prove to your family or potential employers you really were the 5th grip of the Australian team of the latest marvelslop you pause at the right time.
ABCDEFGHIKJLMNOPQRSTVWXYZ
>>729758384At least you'd be close. Learning the pronunciations of kanji is an entirely pointless endeavor.
>>729758384Exactly, kids stop learning "how characters sound" around preschool and from then on they learn "how words are pronounced" because there are so many variations of sounds and exceptions.Learning kanji outside of vocabs is as retarded as an adult learning the alphabet letter by letter with only one sound per letter.
>>729757791Those should be the ones, but for some reason my 10k deck (based on the 2k/6k deck) still uses some non-joyo kanji that are in extremely common words like 嬉 or 嘘, but learning those becomes trivial if you finish RTK, I recommend SRS software like Anki or Kanji Koohii to keep track of them and add them as you encounter them
>>729726701I really need an anki deck that shows the kanji and then on the other side a couple of words with the different readings of that kanji. I feel like using cards that only have one phrase with one type of reading is making it harder to memorize, since sometimes I can't really remember if I have seen the same kanji in some other word or not
I wasted a lot of years on this shit as my main hobby despite it gaining me nothing except for consuming even more shit.
>>729758823>consuming even more shitAnd more shit you consume the better your japanese becomes. There are many worse hobbies you could have.
>>729758675No one suggested that, you are genuinely illiterate
>>729758785You should always build your own decks by adding any words you didn't remember and had to look up.Premade Anki decks will stunt your progress by dumping tons of words you don't see in the kind of texts that you like to read.Ie.: you're wasting time learning economics terms that you won't see in the porn games you want to play.
>>729758823I am wasting time learning when i have zero actual marketable skills..But ultimately I am engaged by learning a new langauge so i am going to keep doing it.Should i put it as a second priority and try and learn an actual skill that can make me money? I am a NEET atm and my last attempt was cyber security but i got bored and stopped.
>>729758739>c is sometimes /tʃ/ sometimes /s/ sometimes /k/>this means you shouldn't learn c or the alphabet
>>729759035There is no "marketable skill" worth learning at this point.We are reaching a breaking point where all that matters is doing things that you personally enjoy that you feel enrich your own self. The boomer mantra of>well how can you make money doing thathas officially shattered everything of value in society. The only thing worth anything now is the worth you make for yourself.
>>729759035>I have zero marketable skills and am a NEET should I invest the little energy and focus I have on learning something that will gain me nothing but play more video games and animeIs this a serious question?
>>729759052No, it means you shouldn't waste more than your preschool year learning the alphabet.If you're spending years to memorize something that isn't even half as useful as learning vocabs, then you're wasting your time.
>>729759221Imagine how retarded you'd have to be to try to learn vocab without knowing the alphabet
>>729759295Good thing the kanji is not akin to the alphabet at all, neither in size, nor in usage.
>>729759035Something you can learn just sitting on your ass at a computer? Basically nothing right now. Programming, translation, art, gamedev is all fucked until AI dies. If you've not got the money to go back to trade school then become a cop or an amazon driver. ICE are recruiting hard right now why not join them
>>729759160I understand your point deeply but there is still a part of me that wants to try, so i can maybe make connections with other people and have a family perhaps.>>729759195It is a serious question. I think you get more from language learning than what you said though, as far as surrogate activities go its not a terrible one.
>>729726327>>729726701I'll do it this year for sure this time.I definitely won't put it off for another year, and the year after that, etc.
>>729759460>think you get more from language learning than what you said thoughI actually was in your position 6 years ago. Let's just say I'm still a NEET so you may have a clue how I decided.
>wasting time on anki and other tools>not just watching 10000 hours of anime
>>729759917There's maybe 100 hours total of anime that is actually worth watching in all existence, and all of it has already been competently dubbed or subtitled in English, making it utterly pointless to waste time learning a language so you can understand 50% of it on the fly, pausing every other word to check the dictionary.
>>729759987Based. Anime is all trash.
>>729759987>dekinai making excuses for his small brain
>>729759371And how do you intend to learn vocab without knowing the kanji
>>729726327is being able to enjoy media free from western meddling the only upside to learning moon? I don't see myself going there often enough to justify learning it otherwise
>>729760261>is being able to enjoy media free from western meddling the only upside to learning moon?Hasn't been since the 1940s.
>>729760261you can get a qt japanese gf in DQ10
>>729759035>>729759460The simple answer to this is that you don't need to autistically do only a single thing with your life. 4 years ago I started going to Japanese classes once a week and I went from a friendless loser to having two friends I talk to almost daily. So my life was improved even if I'm still far from being able to read japanese (my fault for only starting grinding kanji this year though). You could do some japanese here and there and also try to invest your time in some skill you think is worth it. If you're a neet then doing any sort of small routine will improve your current situation. Having this "it's all or nothing" mentality is holding you back. Take baby steps and be proud of your progress even if it's not huge.
>>729760261After a while you understand that japanese is not really translatable so you appreciate japanese for its own sake and if you're interested in the country itself then it has a huge cultural advantage but except for english and the language of your country all other languages don't have that many advantages in life.
>>729726327>IwankoThat's a cute name I wonder if all the other Japanese pokemon have similar na->Ghost naruhodo
>>729760338>3DPD shitno thanks
japanese isnt a useful skill, only point is if you want to have a proper job in Japan
>>729760417I am proud of my progress, I think what the other anon said is very relevant. I am able to work on skills and things i am interested in, but when it comes to getting a marketable skill i find it difficult because of my terrible pessimism and selfish nature.I do not see a hopeful or good future so i am only interested in doing things for my own sake. Honestly i cant see myself being able to work a full time job at this point as i find my time to be precious to me and wish to savour it. Also not to be rude but saying you dont need to autistically grind something whilst also saying youve been studying for 4 years but made little progress doesnt fill me with confidence
>>729735857>to keep plebs from entering JapanThey all just move to Tokyo anyway lmao
>>729761005that is what 99% of what japs do alsowhat is your point?
>>729760961Nta but japanese is very difficult. Anyone here who boasts about his skills is easily only a quarter as good as they claim to be. But yeah 4 years to start learning kanji is just not even trying.
>>729739225The average English speaker doesn't even know what "wherefore" means.
>>729761506>whereforearchaic word
>>729761506The average English speaker would need a dictionary at hand to understand Final Fantasy Tactics and Final Fantasy XII due to the abundance of dialectical shit and obscure/archaic words.
>>729760728enter
>>729761660>kekwut
>>729761714Onomatopoeia of a monkey cry "Keh" + king
The most mystifying thing about Japanese to me is >ore, omae, kare, yatsu, temee, kisama, yaru etc are all super common in anime>considered super rude and offensive irl and never usedHow does that happen? I get that there's dramatic language in English as well but there's basically no individual word that's common in English fiction that's completely out of use irl barring maybe overly flowery and polite language
>>729761948>considered super rude and offensive irl and never usednot really, most of those are pretty common between friends and people you're close and equals with
>>729760728I like the name for Bulbasaur (Fushigidane) because he's always saying "da ne" ("isn't it?"). Going through the Pokemon anime and there's so much untranslatable shit in this (mostly puns).
>>729761948>considered super rude and offensive irl and never usedYou're just operating on a false assumption, that's why nothing makes sense. A common mistake.
>>729761948ore and omae are used, omae is technically rude but I've seen people use it, depends on personality really, ore isn't really rude idk why it has this misconceptionyaru, this literally means I'll do it in a macho way
>>729745483Whats your enemy name again?
>>729762158Literally every single resource that I've seen bring them up spends more time saying to not use them because it's rude and disrespectful than it does explaining them on their own
>>729761948Idk much but its like the language version of using proper manners in english culture.We do the same thing in english langauge, there are different words and titles to use in different situations, i think the japs just take it to an extreme because its in their nature to do so
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>>729762253>it's rude and disrespectfulthey technically arepolite people dont use these
>>729762253You're probably misunderstanding the intention behind these warnings. You need a good understanding of these words and the context you're using them in to not appear rude. This is a very complicated thing to teach because it depends on so many variables. Who are you, where are you, who are you speaking to.It's just easier for these instructors to say "just shut the fuck up and don't use them". By the way no one in japan cares if you are rude if you're speaking broken japanese. So you don't even have to think about this shit till you're actually good and people in japan would take you seriously.
>>729762491>>729762525I think what confuses me more is why is it so common in anime if it's so rare in real life? How do you get to the point that's it's normal for characters to use pronouns and rough language as standard in fiction but keep everything irl extremely polite and uptight Natural English got way more casual over time due to fiction lowering barriers, for example no one calls anyone sir anymore, even mister is said jokingly by young people, may is British-only, same for "one" instead of "you, etc how did anime not make natural Japanese more casual as well if it's so ubiquitous in Japanese fiction
>all these anons declaring the text OP put is N5 at most>they post their accompanying ""trans""lation>its completely offWhy is dunning krugers so strong in this space
>>729761948Think of the word "bastard." Have you EVER heard someone call someone a bastard in real life? I pretty much can't think of any, but it's very common in fiction.
>>729762956>why is it so common in animebecause anime depicts close people doing things together and interacting together, or people being enemies and disrespectful to each other, with some theatrical flair because it's fiction>>729762956>if it's so rare in real lifehow much have you been interacting with actual japs (that you'd be close to, or intimate friends with) in real life?
>>729762956Id say colloquial language is used more in day to day life. I think thats why resources that dont shy away from teaching it are more useful, or at least more accurate
>>729762956I mean with fiction like anime you see potentially hundreds of different contexts between hundreds of different characters in relative short order. In real life you are mostly going to encounter 2-3 different contexts in daily life. Authors also just control reactions. You can only be truly rude if the other person perceives you as rude. If not then technically you could say anything and it would not appear rude. Real life is just not that interesting and multifaceted.
>>729743326nearly all media for natives will contain sentences that use relatively advanced but commonplace grammar (e.g. tatoe, ~you tomo, ~to itta [noun] wa nai, da to shitara)>>729755912>Learning kanji is like learning ap + ple separatelyit's funny that you mention morphology because shit like prefixes and suffixes are important tools (un- + install, im- + possible, dilemma (di-, two+ lemma, proposition), west + -ern). what a moron.
>>729726327If I started TOMORROW how long would it take to get to Japanese N2?I need all your resources /v/
>>729762956Because in anime those anime characters are Japanese communicating in Japanese. How is this so difficult for you to understand? It's like how you'll understand if I say "G'day cunt, bloody scorcher out there today", but unless you have the misfortune to be interacting with Australians as your first use of English a Teacher isn't going to be teaching you how to correctly substitute "cunt" for "friend, buddy, mate" without getting your teeth punched out.
>>729763375Depends on your talent. If you're average and putting in 2 hours daily I would say 2-3 years.
>>729763020I use bastard in a colloquial sense, not as an insult but as a term of endearment. Think of something like "bloody hell its good to see ya greg! You old bastard!."In the right context it makes total sense, but in the wrong context its horribly offensive
>>729763369Right, most kids learn the prefix "im" in isolation, which prepares them to learn the word "impossible" later. This is definitely how people learn English.
>>729761948>never usedDon't listen to people who just want you to avoid using them so you don't get your ass kicked. If it's a word and it exists, then it is used, period. Yes, in real life.
>>729726659dude.>migi>hidariAnyone who read parasyte should know the first one at least. Holy shit.
>>729726327I've accepted I'm dekinai a long time agoIt's owari da
>>729763446I know a dude who's done just that. he passed the n2 after 2 years of studying 2 hours a day every single dayhe wants to attempt the n1 this july but....... I doubt it's possible because it's just so fucking much and you barely hear a good chunk of n1 grammar (ni nottotte, wo ki ni, soba kara) anywhere
>>729763846>you barely hear a good chunk of n1 grammar (ni nottotte, wo ki ni, soba kara) anywhereAll the time if you're actually consuming Japanese media on a regular basis thoughever.
>>729763901>>729763846What N level do I need if I just want to read books and watch JAV
>>729764097any book for adult natives is beyond n1
>>729764097>I just want to read booksN1 is not enough.>watch JAVYou know "kimochi ii"? Good enough.
>>729763020Maybe not on its own or to someone's face but yeah I sometimes hear "bastard son of a bitch" or "lucky bastard" and similar structures irl, and in non-fictional written/online communication
>>729726701I'll TANK this by the way.
>>729764097n6
>>729764097>booksAnon I….
>>729726701do the colors denote frequency?
>>729764219>I sometimes hear "bastard son of a bitch" or "lucky bastard" and similar structures irl,Probably not nearly as often as you encounter it as fiction, which is the point. Same is true for those "fighting words" in Japanese. Japanese are very orderly and try to avoid fighting, but they still fight sometimes and those times you will hear those words come out.>written/online communicationThis is very different from IRL, which you should well know. Japanese anonymous message boards are full of coarse rude language being flung at eachother.
>>729764097>he wants to read Read what, it would take you forever
>>729764097books is very broad. You've got to narrow down what you mean.
>>729763679no, they have an adult at school teach them>all right class, complete the chart with words that match the pattern>impossible, inaction, unstated, __exact, __precise, __tolerable, __true, ________ (write more examples)>subpar, ___merge, __-zero, ___standard, ___division, _______ (write more examples)and "add more words that fit into each category">forest, park, beach, ______________>car, bycicle, bus, _______________and you're a moron
>>729764097To read real classics you need high school age native level. I'm beyond N1 and my limit is plot focused Light Novels in complicated settings like science fiction and the like. Some easier classics are also ok. But true classics or even historic classics? Fuck off, will ya.
lvl 1 noob: omoshiroi lvl 99 pro: omoroi
>>729762135Gen 1 names are a bit odd and more akin to the sort of names you'd find in other rpgs. But that goes for English too, you'd never get names like Golem and Seel in any other gen.
>just learn kana>and kanji>and vocab>and grammar>oh don't forget the counters>and numbers>and phrases>and names (can't read these without knowing them!)>and onomatopoeia>and particles>and slang and contractions >then you can start learning how to actually listen and parse>and read and parse >then listen and read for several years then maybe you'll get it>then you'll have the permission to start speaking and writing
>>729761948For me it's not having a way to express "must" without a double negative "not doing X is bad"What a cucked language, imagine not having a way to politely command people without speaking like a baby
>>729741546I got up to 2.2 and stopped playing a few years ago. Made a new character when they increased the free trial, for all the key emblems and stopped playing again. Always have lots of fun then suddenly drop it
>>729764769>anon forgot the polite forms NGMI
>>729764769>he still thinks about language learning linearly
>>729764950Is he ok???
>>729764769Alternately:>learn kana>install yomitan>install mokuro>set it so it looks up automatically on mouse hover so you don't have to repetitively mash a key or click>pick something relatively "easy" like Yotsuba (it won't be easy)>just look shit up as you goCongrats you are now ahead of all the fags who decided to put off immersion until they've memorized an arbitrary list of shit until they are ready (they will never be ready).
>>729745104I did a few years as a dancing English monkey and a bunch of 6th grade girls told me not to use watashi
>>729765149Just use atashi.
>>729745919ENTER
>>729765108At that point just plug everything into an AI translator and stop pretending
>>729765042yeah he just sleeping
>>729765237Oh thank goodnessHe looked like he was in trouble
>>729765149>dancing English monkeyqrd?
>>729764847>可き
>>729765409thats more like should
>>729765149>watashionly girls use this
>>729765389JET programme. Get paid to go to Japan and be a kids entertainer for a few years.>>729765532That's what they told me, I switched to ore-sama.
>>729765218AI translators are a useful tool for learning. It shouldn't be your only resource, though, it should be a last resort when you're stumped on a sentence or passage.>>729765501した方がいいしなさいしてくださいして欲しいしてくれ
>>729765672>ore-samanot sure if that is betterhow did the girls react?
>>729765818AI translators are more accurate than official subs nowadays.
>>729765908official subs use ai nowadays
>>729765996Only as a base translation.
>>729765996That's step 1. Step 2 is rewrite it to fix the dogshit boring nip writing and insert my political agenda.
>>729765843It was a big hit. 大成功
>>729726327>What will you do>with Iwanko (Rockruff)?>Twirl right>Twirl left>Stare>Baah!
>>729766152This, minus the boring part.
>>729765672>That's what they told me, I switched to ore-samacheeky jk'shope you disciplined them well
>>729766324Pedo alert lol
>>729764950>>thinking about language learning linearlythis. why are language learners so retarded? you don't have to learn shit like 植物 before you can learn 膣内射精
>>729765149Don't listen to kids. They'll troll you.
