>Demiurge who hijacks your Expedition intended to save the people of Lumière from evil Demiurges wanting to commit genocide>convinces you YOURSELF to help him kill all your friends, all the people of Lumière, all the gestrals, and an the entire breathing world>players call this a good endingYou should be hit with an 'Expedition Failed' screen for picking Verso's ending. This dude canonically destroyed at least 10 expeditions. Yours is just the next on the chopping block.
>>729740346You don't understand Gnosticism.
>>729740346based and redpilled>>729740882cringe and cuckpilled
The big problem is both endings are about the painters when the painters should go fuck themselves and it should be about the people of Lumiere.In any case post yfw the sequel makes the Maelle ending canon
>>729740346Once I learned the people of Lumiere weren't real I stopped caring about their struggle. Saving Maelle was more important than them (not to mention they were already dead (gommaged by Renoir at the end of act two) so the only paintings erased at the end were Lune and Sciel)
>>729740346Verso's ending is often considered the "good" ending, but what if i value the life of Lune and Sciel more than Renoir, Aline and Al*cia?
>>729741285The entire point of the Expedition 33 game is, you know, succeeding at an expedition. Everything else is a bloody distraction by those neurotic evil demiurges bent on destroying the expeditions and Lumière.I am baffled that players unironically will do what the Nevrons, Renoir and everybody else couldn't. The players will unironically destroy the world and condemn every expedition that will come after forever because Verso convinced them to.I am replaying the game and I refuse to even have this piece of shit in my party. He is even given his own 'Subversion' progress bar with his relationship minigame.It is psychotic.
>>729740346Has there ever been a videogame with lower stakes than this? Literally nothing is at stake regardless of the ending
>>729741490People of Lumière:>believe in self-sacrifice>saint-like characteristics>common people pushed to the edge and cursed to fight literal gods>resisted for 67 years in a shell of a civilization>everything in this world was perverted to try and kill themPeople of Lumière are too good for this world.This is the Shepard indoctrination theory from Mass Effect once again. Players are actually convinced that being manipulated by the fake Starchild-like character into destroying everything and helping the Universe-destroying villain is an actual good idea.
>>729740346It's time to stop painting.
I picked the Verso ending instantly.You see, a painful reality is worth far more than a blissful dream, because it allows growth for the individual.Whenever I see someone confronted with a choice, I always tell them to pick the option that will result in the most hardship, so they can grow as an individual.If a quadriplegic person is given the option to live in an alternate reality, I will got out of my way to erase that option, so they can grow from their suffering.If a blind person is given a cure to restore their eyesight, I won't let them take it, I will destroy that cure, I will save them from themselves, so they can grow.I will give them no choice in the matter, because I know better. Should they disagree with me, I WILL brutalize them, for their sake. And once they're on the ground, defeated, exhausted, their hopes destroyed, I tell them "you're okay, you're okay".
>>729740346He's just doing what real Verso wants.
>>729741490>but what if i value the life of Lune and Sciel more than Renoir, Aline and Al*cia?Alicia can paint new world with them in it
>>729741285Lumiere does not belong in Verso's canvas.
>>729741285Proud Maelle Ending Picker here. I don't want a sequel with a canonical continuation. That's creativeless slop.Make a new setting.
The next Clair Obscure game will be about a completely different thing in a completely different settingThey're going to follow the Final Fantasy model to a t
>>729742361>I don't want a sequel with a canonical continuationFair and me neither, but lets be honest here: if there were to be a direct continuation, it would follow the Maelle ending.
>>729742361>I don't want a sequel with a canonical continuationFair and me neither, but lets be honest here: if there were to be a direct continuation, it would follow the Verso ending.
Maelle + Alicia = Malicia => Malice
>>729742062If you think about it, smashing the glasses of people with eye problems is actually good for them because it helps them grow.
>>729742361I want a sequel where you play as a writer, then at the end of the game when everything is settled and everyone is happy, you get blown up by a car bomb and see a smiling clea in the background.
>>729740346I don't give a goddamn which ending is better. Clea supports getting rid of the Canvas, so I will do Verso's ending, even if he's cringe.
>>729740882Nobody does, really. A few retards playing Persona and reading about demiurge on a wiki doesn't make you a theolgian in some ancient meme religion.It's like that philosophy kid in college who just recently read Nietzsche, Camus, or Kant or something for the first time except in this case instead of some try hard logic, you have a literally atlus playing weeaboo talking out his ass.
I picked maelles ending to save Lune's feet
>Maellefags are the lame kind of schizochecks out
>Maelle ending literally has the gigachad color filterHow did Versofags get conned into Verso's ending?
>>729740346
>>729742925u know the next plot twist will be inpired by like how e33 won the indie game goty award but then got stripped because of AI accusation the day after.
do books made by the writers suck you into worlds like a painters canvas would?
>>729744462yes, but the world is a text adventure
>>729740346With Verso you'd be condemning everyone in the painting (which are forms of life no less sentient or valuable than those outside the painting, in principle) to death, it's "only" a problem as far as Maelle goes. Verso wanted to escape too, he'd had enough of the identity crisis and would've condemned everyone to death for this, which is crazy to me. I know it's not the only thing that's motivated him but he keeps repeating "I don't want this life" over and over if you pick the Maelle ending, so clearly she wasn't the only motivator. There's an actual chance of Gustave convincing Maelle to leave the painting at some point in the future, if she comes out on her own there's at least a chance of convincing Renoir to leave well enough alone.
>>729743960>story about painting and colors>ending is in black and white>first thing retard thinks of is a faggot russian model
>>729744797This is the problem, it's all centered around Maelle/Alicia instead of the more important question of the inhabitants of the canvas. Can't fully blame Versofags for thinking along these lines because the game does the same.The ending should have been weighing the whole canvas vs Alicia, not just revolve around Alicia and the painters. Everyone knows the Maelle ending is the bad one for Alicia herself, that's not the point, nobody who defends the Maelle ending says it's better for Maelle/Alicia.
Why doesn't Maelle just repaint lumiere in her own canvas
>>729744462Play Alan Wake to find out.
>>729745224>it's all centered around Maelle/Alicia instead of the more important question of the inhabitants of the canvasall important people(Esquie, Monoco, Sciel and Lune) are present for Verso ending, all other humans are dead, and game forces you to confront their position on Verso choice first.As far as Verso is concerned life of everyone in painting is not worth Alicia life
>>729745224That Verso's ending is awful it is not even a matter of doubt. Sure, existing and not being genocided by a depressed person is the best ending for Lumière. All that remains is to discuss how Maelle will deal with everything, because she is needed to keep the world alive.
>>729745637It is treason, then.Verso should have been ganged up by the entire squad right then and there.
>>729745438You skip the part where Maelle was crying about bringing Noco back, and Monoco tells her it's not the same. That's why she feels empty at the end of her ending after bringing everyone back.
>>729742607>if there were to be a direct continuation, it would follow the Verso ending.Correct. The cannon continuation is that Maelle, having left the painting so soon after Renoir, convinces him to keep it, and convinces Aline to use it responsibly. She acts as the reasonable intermediate between them, being the only painter to have experienced both sides of the conflict first hand, just as Alicia had dreamed about in her letter. Verso's soul is no longer painting, Aline's creations are gone, and so are Renoir's. But they had not accounted for one person - Lune - who still exists with the touch of a painter, Maelle, and refused to be gommaged. With Verso's creation gone, and nothing left in the canvas but herself and all the chroma that surrounds her in the void, being the only intelligent being left and with the power imbued by Maelle, she is able to absorb a significant amount of that chroma.Aline, Maelle, and Renoir rejoin the canvas and begin painting together again, like in the old days, healthily this time, and in moderation. They rebuild what was lost and create a happy, thriving civilization again. What they don't know is that Lune is there, using her newfound power as a demigod to keep herself hidden, lying in wait, biding her time. The game is about Lune and her seething burning hatred for the painters. She intends to suck every single one of them into the canvas as each one enters to rescue the other, trap them there, and erase the entire thing with them in it, sending them all to the shadow realm for all eternity, leaving their mortal bodies to whither and die.
>>729745710>Verso should have been ganged up by the entire squad right then and there.Esquie and Monoco are okay with whatever Verso chooses, Sciel has accepted that choice. In the end only Lune couldn't get over Verso betraying her again
>>729740346>if you wake up from the dream, all the people in your dream will die!
>>729741569It's called Clair Obscur: Expedition 33, not Expedition 33: Clair Obscur. The expeditions are just set dressing for the real story, which is about the Dessendres.
>>729741285>>729742563>if there were to be a direct continuation, it would follow the Maelle ending.What makes you think that? The Verso ending makes a lot more sense for a sequel because the main conflict of the story is solved and all the Dessendres are alive. At best, a sequel following Alicia's ending would start with kicking her out and destroying the painting as an intro or prologue before the real story starts.
I’ve just started the game. I only have one question to ask. Which character has the most porn? I’ve got a guess, but idk
>>729746318Probably lune because she's a foot slut
>>729746318Lune
>>729740346I LOVE MY WIFE
>>729746069It's not a dream. The whole game is a metaphor for rape, incest, and abortion. It's a feminist game about a woman not having control over her own body. Even though she was raped and impregnated by her own brother, she chooses to keep the "baby" even though it's killing her because it's the one of the few things she has left from her brother.>>729746318Lune. It's all negligible though. The devs decided to spend all their marketing budget on jeet shills instead of paying people to make R34 for them like that battleborn guy.
>>729746492>Renoir top tierYou didn't understand the game.
When this game first came out I assumed all the Maelle ending defenders were doing it ironically because of how obvious it is that the Verso ending is the good end.Now I understand that E33fags are mostly just retarded.
>>729746563Renoir was correct about everything
>>729746492>search for image in archiveYep. Everyone agrees a retard made it, yet he keeps posting it. Embarrassing.
>>729744797>There's an actual chance of Gustave convincing Maelle to leave the painting at some point in the future,I agree there would be if Gustave was alive. Fortunately, Alicia took care of that problem when she repainted Gustave and made him her loyal plaything.
>>729740346You cannot genocide paintings
>>729746607>Now I understand that E33fags are mostly just retarded.Duh. see >>729746492
>>729746446>The devs decided to spend all their marketing budget on jeet shillsNot this shit again. I've asked you fags a million times and not once have I received an answer. Why don't AAA companies run similar shilling campaigns for their games if a small AA studio was able to afford it?
It's crazy to me that people can play the game all the way to the ending and still claim that the paintings aren't real people. We literally see Maelle being born.
>>729740346Can you explain what exactly is wrong with commiting genocide to save your family? If you have to choose between millions of people you will never know or the family you love, the only sane choice is your family. Those who have suicidal empathy for others will go extinct, leaving only those who prioritize their own genes.
>>729746942So, remind me again, how does that even werk? I mean, why did she go through the fucking womb. Was it because she's not a good enough paintress and it happened that way instead of just being there like the rest of her family?And man, the time dilation with the real world is at phenomenal rates
>>729747070Tell me you're a thirdie without telling me you're a thirdie. There's a reason thirdie nations will forever be thirdies. And those boasting such mentality in non-thirdie nations will inevitably make their nation become a thirdie one in due time.
>>729747128It's explained in the exact scene it happens. Alicia is a shitty painter and got overwhelmed by Aline's chroma.
>>729740346Shameful and basedpilled>>729740346Sigma and sugarpilled
>>729746942Again it's because brainlets are easily swayed with words. They see "painting" and don't think past that. Make it a "parallel universe" created by the exact same people in the exact same way (just make the "brush strokes" figurative) and they'd suddenly sing a completely different tune.Why do you think "othering" has been such an effective and persistent concept in history?
>>729747278>Alicia can paint hundred of paintings if she is alive in real world>creating millions of living beings in those painting>akhually her life is worth less than one group of people in one painting!!!No, Alicia life is clearly worth more
>>729746629Nice fanfiction but this thread is for what actually happens in the game
>>729747070>said the somali bulbhead>said the jeet streetshitter
>>729747278It's quite literally the opposite. If you have equal empathy for your family as random people off the street, you will be more accepting of thirdies, and will be replaced by them. If you value your family above other White people, who you value above thirdies, your empathy is logically based on how much DNA you share, and you will be more succesful evolutionarily.
>>729747417What an idiotic statement. So it's worth killing 5 people instead of 1 woman because that woman might get fucked and birth 6 kids in the future?
I will never play Expedition 33.
I can't really tell which ending is the better ending.In one ending we see a bright hopeful mourning with Clea smiling, Alicia smiling, Renoir and Aline embracing each other, and it ends in a sweet note with Alicia saying her final goodbye to the Lumierians and growing up.In the other ending, we see a dark and somber Lumiere and the canvas still being fractured and a mess with Lumierians being kept away from the theatre by Monoco and Esquie who are now just lowly bouncers so Maelle can have a personal show for 8 people where Verso is forced to play the piano for her while she controls him like a puppet.I just... I can't tell, man.
>>729747681I would kill five people if Alicia would give me six kids
>>729741285Word, the painter family sucked dick and was not interesting in the slightest. They actually lowered the stakes in the grand finale.
>>729747461Correct, and that's heavily implied to be what happens in the game. We know that painters need someone's chroma to bring them back, as evidenced by the fact Alicia needed Lune and Sciel's chroma to bring them back. We also know that dead people's chroma deteriorates over time, and it's been months since Gustave died. It's extremely unlikely his chroma is still intact. Thus, it's more likely than not that the Gustave we seen in Alicia's ending is a recreation, and not the real one.Even if we assume Alicia bring Gustave back, she's completely insane in that ending. Do you really think she won't just erase and repaint Gustave if he dares to try to go against his creator's wishes?
>>729740346By the time you hit verso's ending, everyone is already dead. The few still alive were brought back from the dead.
>>729747465See >>729747521
>>729740346>Killing imaginary people is genocide
>>729747681Not really since those 5 people can also impregnate women. They're more or less equal, while any painter is worth millions of painted beings.
>>729747757>with Alicia saying her final goodbye to the LumieriansOh, yeah, the ones she failed to save because of Verso's trickery. I remember. What a happy ending.Not to mention the family all leave her alone by herself. So happy!
>>729748093Yes, that's what growing up means. It means letting go of imaginary friends and maybe focusing on the real threat, like the Writers who killed Verso in real life because of her naivety and mistakes.
>>729741569>He is even given his own 'Subversion' progress bar with his relationship minigame.I didn't trust verso while playing so I hypothesize while playing that it was actually a gaslight meter that the player was filling willingly and would bite me in the ass down the line when he inevitably reveal himself as a traitor
Prove that you are not painted right now
>>729748161>imaginary friends>It was all... le dream
>>729747757I'm a bit of a brainlet, so I don't understand that greyscale shot with Alicia's eyes. Is she succumbing to staying in the Canvas too long, or is she exerting her Paintress power over Verso?
>>729747870We know that people never come back the same but it's a far cry from being Alices' plaything/puppet, he's the real one in the sense that it's the same consciousness, since Lune and Sciel kept their memories intact.>She's completely insane in that endingIs retarded hyperbole the only weapon Versofags have ? Yeah she's nursing a quiet misery because she's avoiding having to deal with her issues, the only way to get through to her would be for Gustave and the rest to talk to herWith that said fuck off to https://www.fanfiction.net/
>>729748161>imaginary friendsThey are no more imaginary than the Dessendres. >no bro that is LE REALPic related, it's not even the "real" world, even if we ignore that it's all a video game in any case. Who knows how many layers there are above them, they are in one way or the other someone else's "painting".
>>729748093>Not to mention the family all leave her alone by herself.they are on their own property, what's wrong with all other heading home while Alicia decided to stay a bit longer at Verso grave?
>>729747757I'm gonna make a game that gives you two choices: one is to kill everyone for fun and the other is to not do so, but I'll be sure to make it so the former ending has happy colors and music while the latter is all dark and gloomy.Nobody will be able to argue against that the mass murder was good, actually.
>>729748310>Pic related, it's not even the "real" world, even if we ignore that it's all a video game in any case.So your brain can't comprehend that they might have different calendar than our own real world?
>Saving a family of real people who are effectively Gods capable of building living breathing worlds far into the future (assuming they are released from their grief)VS>Saving the world of a single one of their paintings that is only still functioning due to the aforementioned families grief, serving as a forever reminder of what they lost and not allowing them to move onIf you chose the Maelle ending, you are either a child ruled by their emotions and are unable to conceive of the greater good, or you're a sooner who doesn't want their paint waist to disappear
>>729748417Ok so you agree they are imaginary too by your definition. How does that make them any different then? You brainlets REALLY get taken for a spin by words, don't you?
>>729747757Pic is unfair. Maelle's ending also have people smiling, hugging,etc
>>729743284>Nobody does, really.The idea it boils down to is extremely simply and straightforward and can be processed by basically anyone>Creator of reality is not benevolentEverything else in it is worthless fluff for freemason retards not worthy anyone's attention.
>>729748383Everyone is already dead. You're not a mass murderer. Your father is.
>>729748310>Pic relatedDon't get me wrong, it could be a hint that the real world is actually fake, but it could also just be the french republican calendar. It was used around that time irl and had 12 months of 30 days + 5/6 extra days. December 33 would be a valid date under that calendar or a variation of it, even if the irl version had the extra days not part of december.Could be the devs just saw that and figured they'd be cheeky and use it as an excuse to put another 33 in the game.
>>729740346awwwwwwwwww did you also get mad when mommy deleted your WoW character?
>>729747757>>729748524Fitting that Versofags lie, huh?
>>729748242Only other time we see those patterns are when the painters are either actively painting in the real world, like during Clea's reveal and we see it in Aline's face as well.
>>729748596Could be, but either way saying that the painter's world is more real than the painted one is more real just because it's "painted" (despite this being a magical painting thing that has very little relation to the real act) is dumb. You could just call it "universe creation" and all these people claiming the painted world is not real would sing a completely different tune, despite the only difference being the term used to describe it.
>>729747331>Make it a "parallel universe" created by the exact same people in the exact same way (just make the "brush strokes" figurative) and they'd suddenly sing a completely different tune.When time travel and multi-verse shit gets added people also stop giving a fuck.
>>729748358Don't you get it? This OBVIOUSLY means they all HATE her. Just ignore the fact that Renoir and Clea clearly love her and Aline has no strong evidence either way, or the fact that Alicia doesn't mention it as a reason she wants to stay in the canvas. The CLEARLY DESPISE her and WANT to KILL her and I am in NO WAY projecting my family situation onto the game.
>>729747757>>729748630Versofags act like EVERYONE is being tortured for eternity of some shit but the only thing that's even hinted at is that Verso is the only one bitching and Maelle might have forced him to play. We see everyone else having a good time.Liar faggots
>>729748242Both. Whenever we see the chroma eyes in the game it's somebody who is actively painting, so that shot signifies she begins actively painting something in that moment. We also only see it on people who have been painting for prolonged periods, seeing their entire forms melt away giving way to chroma with enough exposure. So you can imagine Maelle's painted avatar is beginning to whither away like Aline's, and she is also beginning to paint over Verso's will in that moment.
>>729748167It was a gaslight meter.It measured how much bullshit you were getting away with towards every character.Verso literally fucks then kills Lune and everybody she ever knew and even the children of LumièreWe needed a 'No Gods, No Masters'-Fallout New Vegas ending where we just trap the mind of the demiurges inside the canvas and kill them, then enslave them into painting the world in perpetuity.A tyranny of Queen Lune, if you will.
>>729748776How is it any different other than the terms you use for it? They created a full universe with sentient beings, but they did so with a painting theme and called it painting, so it's completely different now?
>>729740346>2026 (somewhere)>Still trying to convince people Verso is somehow the bad guyGet a job, Alicia.
>>729746895I've seen more streamers cosplay as E33 characters than I have seen R34. The game is FOTM. There are no fans.
>>729748490They make unworthy and evil gods. Saving them is an act of evil since it will allow them to so more evil. Maelle's ending is not a good ending because good ending would be just eliminating all of them somehow, but it's as good as it gets.
Nothing prevents Maelle from repainting every Lumerian in her own canvas, btw.
If Maelle unhooks herself from the pleasure cube and learns how to actually paint she could make infinity new worlds filled with life. As a utilitarian I have to go with Verso
>>729748918>Wants the world to end because he's suicidalWow so mature wow....
>>729748490>conceive of the greater goodTell me how commiting genocide so we allow one fucker to kill himself, and help a teenage girl turn off the videogame.Fuck these people. Lumière has CHILDREN, has decades of resistance under its belt, it is fighting a sisyphian glorious struggle against the gods. The goal of the Expedition itself is to save Lumiére.Then people like you come about and preach that the good ending is killing all these people forever, destroying their world and even killing the gestrals (who have nothing to do with it, but sufffer by being hunted by nevrons in this idiotic war).Face it, you defend genocide because it has colors and music, and the game tells you it is the correct choice.If you picked Verso's ending, you're probably vaccinated.
>>729748272>he's the real one in the sense that it's the same consciousness, since Lune and Sciel kept their memories intact. Except Alicia had Lune and Sciel's chroma. The chances Gustave's chroma is still salvageable is essentially zero. No chroma means she can't bring him back.>Is retarded hyperboleIs it really hyperbole when this shot exists? She's clearly not mentally stable.>the only way to get through to her would be for Gustave and the rest to talk to herI don't think there's any getting through to her. She's a mentally unwell god who will not take kindly to her subjects telling her what to do.
>>729748910>so it's completely different now?Holy shit you guys are definitely midwits. You either can barely read and skim posts or you're intentionally misinterpreting posts to keep babbling on about nonsense to make yourselves seem more intelligent.>>729749020>>729749052She should repaint it with less DEI this time, and less French.
>>729749151>The chances Gustave's chroma is still salvageable is essentially zero. No chroma means she can't bring him back.What's your source on this? She is both a much much weaker painter than the others at that point, and she's also fighting for control of it with her father. How do you know she can't bring Gustave back? Do we even know how much time has passed? Is there even a hint of where the cutoff would be?
>>729749151>>729749239>No chroma means she can't bring him back.She brought back Pierre and Sciel was perfectly happy with him. Versofags love sweeping this under the rug, though.
>>729748242Also, this is the real world Aline after she gets kicked out of the canvas in Act 3. She stumbles around, falls to the ground, weak, with the same painted eyes, coughing her lungs out.
>>729748490There is no greater good in your scenario. Existent beings with complex thought are deserving of ethical consideration. Potential future beings to not deserve that same consideration. There are an infinite number of them and it's morally absurd to give them rights, impossible even, since for every being you bring into existence you deny the existence of an infinite number. You consider who exists here and now, and by exists, I mean has sentience and awareness. Those yet to exist will be factored in to ethical decisions once they come to exist.
>>729749151>that pichow come Maelle looks less happy here>>729749121than in Verso ending?
>>729749151Anon, panted people don't have souls. They don't have specific Chroma.Real people like real Verso has a soul, it's what powering the Canvas.She didn't get any "specific chroma". She just got some chroma that floating around in Lumiere's square while Renoir was destroying it.pVerso even taught her that to paint someone from memory is to remember their essence, your memories of them.That's how Aline painted Clea, Verso, Renoir and Alicia. They weren't real people, they were simulacrums of how Aline remembered or saw them.
>>729748490This might just be the worst argument Versofags make in these threadsI don't want these people to create more life, motherfuckerYou are the equivalent of people that want whores to keep getting pregnant so they can keep abortingI'm worried about the baby she's stuck with RIGHT NOW
>>729742062>mfw the painful reality is dipping out and going back to your family instead of confronting the nature of what is left of Verso and why he is systematically suicidal you are a retard. Maelle ending is the "painful reality" and the actual juice of the plot would have come past her route. both endings suck dick but Maelles sucks less
How am I still under leveled for so much side stuff? I beat Renoir in 2 turns.
6 million Lumierens and only 4 painters? That don't sound right to me. Strange how the total number of Lumierens barely changed before the gommages and after Maelles ending.
>>729749549>Maelle ending is the "painful reality"what the fuck is this argument? Verso ending is only one happening in reality
>>729749151>Except Alicia had Lune and Sciel's chroma. The chances Gustave's chroma is still salvageable is essentially zero. No chroma means she can't bring him back.There's no reason to believe she couldn't or didn't find Gustave's chroma.>Is it really hyperbole when this shot exists? She's clearly not mentally stable.She's miserable not insane>I don't think there's any getting through to her. She's a mentally unwell god who will not take kindly to her subjects telling her what to do.I mean i can't argue for a guaranteed win on Gustave and co's part but that's not the point
>>729740882fpbp, op is a moron.
>>729749547>You are the equivalent of people that want whores to keep getting pregnant so they can keep aborting>Maellefag calls Alicia a whore
>>729749112You should play Act 3.
>>729749482Painted Verso is way too manipulative (just like Real Verso) to be a simulacrum based on Aline's thoughts.Not to mention that it doesn't explain the babies that get born on the world.There's abstraction here, but this is essentially a real world with its own causes and consequences that she created.
>>729749619>Verso ending is only one happening in realityWhat is it with Versofags and saying this retarded shit?
>>729749549>maelle stuck in a make-believe world controlling everything, playing god and under pure escapism because she can't confront the consequences of her actions in the real world is "the painful reality"
>>729749619its such retarded netflix tier writing. just duplicate it once and everything falls apart. imagine if in your "real world" this fake canvas bullshit gets pulled again. you would have zero ground on which to defend the family. its so fkn bad. the writers failed to justify the distinction of the worlds and the ground on which the family airs out their grief.
>>729749482She literally goes "I can see them" retard>>729749686>Literally goes "I don't want this life" over and over again in Maelle's endingYeah he also wants to force his sister to confront her grief but he's also very suicidal because of his identity crisis
>>729740346By the way, the writer's main inspiration for Verso is a character named Emet-Selch / Hades from Final Fantasy 14. Literally a bad guy who lies and manipulates people into destroying their own worlds for the sake of his own, which was originally divided into 14 parts and can only be restored if these 14 parts are once again combined.The difference is that Emet-Selch is funny, sarcastic and exhausted, trying to legitimately understand the side of the heroes (the equivalent to the painted world) who want to still exist.And in the end, he does concede and helps the heroes.
>>729749731cool story bro. shame the shitty writers failed to make the explicit point of it being a "make believe world" if in the family world someone came along and pulled the "painting in a painting" bullshit you would have zero choice but to accept it again. its so bad.
>>729749845>If [thing that doesn't happen] happened, then it would be a totally different story!Uh, ok?
>>729749669This is one of the fundamental problems with Versofags.You think I care about Maelle.I mean, I do sort of care about her. Just like I sort of care about Verso (Even if he is a manipulative cocksucking villain and you're an idiot that fell for his lies so hard you not only fell for his ending but are still defending it to your last breath months later)But the priority is not on either of them. They are both different tiers of demigods. Verso was born a demigod and Maelle is a former god that is now briefly a demigod.Maelle's ending is correct for the sake of Lumiere.And before you go to the part of your Versofag lying bot script where you try pretending that they are puppets or whatever else: Sciel was happy with Pierre. Let me just cut off that bullshit you're about to spew right at its root.
Maelle = Good guyVerso and Renoid = Bad guysIts that simple
>>729749905no wonder video game stories are such a joke and no one considers this shit art. with consumers like this what more do you need.
>>729749775>I don't want this life>this lifeWhat life you do think this is?
Maelletrannies are never going to stop painting
I love Verso as a character because he is one of the best villains in vidya history. Unironically. Not memeing. He manipulates everyone. He manipulates himself. And the game literally signals it, too.I hate Versofags because they are desperate brainlets trying to hide this reality. Or so stupid they don't comprehend it.
>>729749121>YOU DEFENDED GENOCIDEIt's not a genocide. Everyone was unpainted when they killed the Paintress.Maelle brought ZOMBIES back to life after their time. You are defending the demi-urge while I condemn it
>>729750149>Maelle brought ZOMBIES back to life after their timePierre ScielYour cope dismantled
>>729749908Versofags can only connect to stories at a surface level, they need it fed to their mouths. If there is no fanfare, colors and a congratulations screen telling that they picked the right choice, they grow grumpy. This is why Verso is the videogame equivalent of taking the Covid-19 vax. Anyone who thought about it for more than 2 minutes know it is a bad idea.
>>729749775Yes, them, the people who were gommaged, not just Lune and Sciel who were gommaged in the harbor.pVerso: "Painting isn't about verisimilitude, it's about essence."verisimilitude: the appearance of being true or real."Lumierians are real people" BTFO
>>729750096Verso is no villain. The game couldn't have made it more clear who the villain is (Aline/Alicia and their refusal to leave the canvas)>>729750202HOLY BASED VERSO GOD
>>729750191It's a combination of not thinking deeply about their choices and very poor long term memory. The smartest Maellechads still remembered the prologue. Still remembered Lune's backstory. Still remembered Sciel's backstory. Still remembered Gustave.All Versofags just remembered Maelle and Verso crying at each other.
>>729750180I just realized verso can fuck her, lmao pierre got cucked
>>729749845>the shitty writers failed to make the explicit point of it being a "make believe world"HAHAHAHAHAHA ayo this nigga thinks his ERP MMO character is real hahaha this nigga pays for player housing lmfao this nigga thinks pixels have feelings
>>729750019Existence>>729750202>I can see *them*>*Them* has nothing to do with the people she actually brought backVerso doesn't believe he's "real" because he's been cursed with memories that aren't his, he can't do what the painters can do, he doesn't understand it so of course that's what he would sayVersofag IQ
>>729750149>oh no, the demiurges will kill and enslave everyone>quick, let's kill everyone as this one demiurge wants before they do it to us!>>729750096Well noticed.His axon is literally a masked man, ffs. The game is teleprompting to you that he is a manipulator, a 'would you kindly' type from Bioshock or the Reaper indoctrination from Mass Effect. If you collect the data from former expeditions, it is clear Verso and Renoir have been sabotaging them starting in way back when.Verso is truly a great villain, but only when you realize he played you like a fiddle. He is the shittiest hero ever written unless you dig in it deeper.It is very funny to watch these youtube essays about how Verso is the perfect character because he lies to you throughout the entire story.All it takes is a single youtube essay to recontextualize everything and show the players that they botched the one (1) decision this RPG trusted them with.
>>729749482Facts but you're arguing with a retarded Maellefag. They are literally incapable of recognizing the problem with their actions. They hate Verso and they hate everything that he represents despite the game outright telling you that everyone loves him.
>painted people die in the painting>can get brought back to life willy nilly with no consequences whatsoever>people die in real life>cant get brought back and actually die>there are people actively wanting to murder the Dessendre, including Alicia, in real life>if alicia dies in the canvas she is just kicked out>if alicia dies in real life she dieshmmmmm
>>729750516>Reddit post
>>729750516To be fair, I do earnestly believe that Verso is one of those manipulative liars that is so good that he is lying to himself.That's why he found just the right excuse to justify to himself why he needed to destroy the world (Maelle lied to Renoir!!!)It's only when Maelle beats him that all the lies have evaporated and he is left with his basest impulse. "Just kill me:"Also to be fair, Maelle keeping Verso alive when he wants to die is objectively cruel. Guy has lived enough. Let him go.
>>729750568NOOOOOOOO THE CANVAS IS REAL AND LUMIERE IS REALI HATE THE DESSENDRE FAMILY I ONLY CARE ABOUT GUSTAVE BECAUSE I THINK MMO'S ARE REAL!
>>729749121>picrelThat's retarded. No one is suffering in Verso's ending. All the people of Lumiere are already dead, so erasing the canvas won't cause any more suffering. They suffer more in Alicia's ending since they're forced to exist as the playthings of a god and will be erased a second time.
>maellefags fail plato’s caveohnononono but the shadow said it loved me!!! turn maelle into debra wilson and lune into hunter schafer and every maellefag is changing sides really fast
>>729750674>It's another episode of "Bro, you'll just die 60 years from now, why not kill yourself now? This is a mercy."Why are Versofags like this>NOOO BUT THEY ARE PUPPET ZOMBI-Sciel PierreYour cope dismantled
>>729750425He had multiple chances to just end his existence without the need of multiple Deus Ex Machinas.
>>729750747>he cares more about Pixel Pierre than he does Verso DessendreYou aren't human
Alicia could 100% have let painted Verso, or at least that version of painted Verso go and be put to rest, then just painted a new Verso without being self-aware, btw, same way Aline did but she chose to actually let the self-aware Verso be her slave.
>Schizos prefer the ending where they can be lost in delusion and let their bodies and minds rot in the process.Makes sense.
I'm actually le tired, how do I pull the plug on this threads?
>>729750747Pierre, who drowned and was lost at the sea whose body was either a skeleton or a bloated decomposed mess, being brought back to life is not really the "gotcha" you think.It just further proves that Alicia can simply repaint simulacrums if she remembers them.
>>729750894>Brainlets prefer to believe that only 4 of the characters shown in the game are "real" enough for them and that 95% of the game was the French equivalent of "It was all a dream"
>>729750846Because Maelle is evil. I knew she was the villain the moment she looked at me with that smug, pretentious face.
>>729751005It's a gotcha because Sciel, who we saw being pure, rational and human during Act 3, was happy with him. So no, he wasn't some zombie puppet. She would have obviously noticed.You are creating a fake part of the story that isn't there to try to justify your genocide.
>>729750846Alicia is a shitty paintress and can't do shit without the Chroma of others.
>>729750649>Guy has lived enough. Let him goFor what he did to Gustave, I'd keep him as a piano playing ape forever.Fuck Verso.Fuck Renoir.Fuck the Nevrons.Fuck the painted family.Fuck the writersLong live the Gestrals.Long live Lumière.Long live the Expedition.For those who come after is *NON*-negotiable
>>729750846because that won't be the same, she wants THIS Verso to spent lifetime with her
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>>729741569>>729740346Nah lol, demiurge would convince you to keep the world alive because it’s his subversion of what a soul should experience. Fucking retard lmao
>>729740346The people killed weren't real.
>>729751084>It's a gotcha because Sciel, who we saw being pure, rational and human during Act 3, was happy with him.The same Sciel that for some reason has different hair color? Maelle repainted her
>Gustave has to fuck Lune in front of Maelle and Sophie while Verso plays the piano else get turned into paint goo How long is Maelle sustaining paintland with nobody dying and just partying and fucking until she says she wants in? who is volunteering to fuck a never aging loli god?
>>729750846>Alicia could 100% have let painted VersoNo,
>>729751084>NOOOO GUSTAVE AND SOPHIA ARE REAL!!!!!!You are just as fucking delusional as Maelle which is why you argue against Verso in December when everyone already figured you people out back in May.
>>729748827>NOOOO EVERYONE IS HAVING A GOOD TIME STOP SAYING THAT THE CANVAS IS BAD!!!The mind of a manchild
