>Demiurge who hijacks your Expedition intended to save the people of Lumière from evil Demiurges wanting to commit genocide>convinces you YOURSELF to help him kill all your friends, all the people of Lumière, all the gestrals, and an the entire breathing world>players call this a good endingYou should be hit with an 'Expedition Failed' screen for picking Verso's ending. This dude canonically destroyed at least 10 expeditions. Yours is just the next on the chopping block.
>>729740346You don't understand Gnosticism.
>>729740346based and redpilled>>729740882cringe and cuckpilled
The big problem is both endings are about the painters when the painters should go fuck themselves and it should be about the people of Lumiere.In any case post yfw the sequel makes the Maelle ending canon
>>729740346Once I learned the people of Lumiere weren't real I stopped caring about their struggle. Saving Maelle was more important than them (not to mention they were already dead (gommaged by Renoir at the end of act two) so the only paintings erased at the end were Lune and Sciel)
>>729740346Verso's ending is often considered the "good" ending, but what if i value the life of Lune and Sciel more than Renoir, Aline and Al*cia?
>>729741285The entire point of the Expedition 33 game is, you know, succeeding at an expedition. Everything else is a bloody distraction by those neurotic evil demiurges bent on destroying the expeditions and Lumière.I am baffled that players unironically will do what the Nevrons, Renoir and everybody else couldn't. The players will unironically destroy the world and condemn every expedition that will come after forever because Verso convinced them to.I am replaying the game and I refuse to even have this piece of shit in my party. He is even given his own 'Subversion' progress bar with his relationship minigame.It is psychotic.
>>729740346Has there ever been a videogame with lower stakes than this? Literally nothing is at stake regardless of the ending
>>729741490People of Lumière:>believe in self-sacrifice>saint-like characteristics>common people pushed to the edge and cursed to fight literal gods>resisted for 67 years in a shell of a civilization>everything in this world was perverted to try and kill themPeople of Lumière are too good for this world.This is the Shepard indoctrination theory from Mass Effect once again. Players are actually convinced that being manipulated by the fake Starchild-like character into destroying everything and helping the Universe-destroying villain is an actual good idea.
>>729740346It's time to stop painting.
I picked the Verso ending instantly.You see, a painful reality is worth far more than a blissful dream, because it allows growth for the individual.Whenever I see someone confronted with a choice, I always tell them to pick the option that will result in the most hardship, so they can grow as an individual.If a quadriplegic person is given the option to live in an alternate reality, I will got out of my way to erase that option, so they can grow from their suffering.If a blind person is given a cure to restore their eyesight, I won't let them take it, I will destroy that cure, I will save them from themselves, so they can grow.I will give them no choice in the matter, because I know better. Should they disagree with me, I WILL brutalize them, for their sake. And once they're on the ground, defeated, exhausted, their hopes destroyed, I tell them "you're okay, you're okay".
>>729740346He's just doing what real Verso wants.
>>729741490>but what if i value the life of Lune and Sciel more than Renoir, Aline and Al*cia?Alicia can paint new world with them in it
>>729741285Lumiere does not belong in Verso's canvas.
>>729741285Proud Maelle Ending Picker here. I don't want a sequel with a canonical continuation. That's creativeless slop.Make a new setting.
The next Clair Obscure game will be about a completely different thing in a completely different settingThey're going to follow the Final Fantasy model to a t
>>729742361>I don't want a sequel with a canonical continuationFair and me neither, but lets be honest here: if there were to be a direct continuation, it would follow the Maelle ending.
>>729742361>I don't want a sequel with a canonical continuationFair and me neither, but lets be honest here: if there were to be a direct continuation, it would follow the Verso ending.
Maelle + Alicia = Malicia => Malice
>>729742062If you think about it, smashing the glasses of people with eye problems is actually good for them because it helps them grow.
>>729742361I want a sequel where you play as a writer, then at the end of the game when everything is settled and everyone is happy, you get blown up by a car bomb and see a smiling clea in the background.
>>729740346I don't give a goddamn which ending is better. Clea supports getting rid of the Canvas, so I will do Verso's ending, even if he's cringe.
>>729740882Nobody does, really. A few retards playing Persona and reading about demiurge on a wiki doesn't make you a theolgian in some ancient meme religion.It's like that philosophy kid in college who just recently read Nietzsche, Camus, or Kant or something for the first time except in this case instead of some try hard logic, you have a literally atlus playing weeaboo talking out his ass.
I picked maelles ending to save Lune's feet
>Maellefags are the lame kind of schizochecks out
>Maelle ending literally has the gigachad color filterHow did Versofags get conned into Verso's ending?
>>729740346
>>729742925u know the next plot twist will be inpired by like how e33 won the indie game goty award but then got stripped because of AI accusation the day after.
do books made by the writers suck you into worlds like a painters canvas would?
>>729744462yes, but the world is a text adventure
>>729740346With Verso you'd be condemning everyone in the painting (which are forms of life no less sentient or valuable than those outside the painting, in principle) to death, it's "only" a problem as far as Maelle goes. Verso wanted to escape too, he'd had enough of the identity crisis and would've condemned everyone to death for this, which is crazy to me. I know it's not the only thing that's motivated him but he keeps repeating "I don't want this life" over and over if you pick the Maelle ending, so clearly she wasn't the only motivator. There's an actual chance of Gustave convincing Maelle to leave the painting at some point in the future, if she comes out on her own there's at least a chance of convincing Renoir to leave well enough alone.
>>729743960>story about painting and colors>ending is in black and white>first thing retard thinks of is a faggot russian model
>>729744797This is the problem, it's all centered around Maelle/Alicia instead of the more important question of the inhabitants of the canvas. Can't fully blame Versofags for thinking along these lines because the game does the same.The ending should have been weighing the whole canvas vs Alicia, not just revolve around Alicia and the painters. Everyone knows the Maelle ending is the bad one for Alicia herself, that's not the point, nobody who defends the Maelle ending says it's better for Maelle/Alicia.
Why doesn't Maelle just repaint lumiere in her own canvas
>>729744462Play Alan Wake to find out.
>>729745224>it's all centered around Maelle/Alicia instead of the more important question of the inhabitants of the canvasall important people(Esquie, Monoco, Sciel and Lune) are present for Verso ending, all other humans are dead, and game forces you to confront their position on Verso choice first.As far as Verso is concerned life of everyone in painting is not worth Alicia life
>>729745224That Verso's ending is awful it is not even a matter of doubt. Sure, existing and not being genocided by a depressed person is the best ending for Lumière. All that remains is to discuss how Maelle will deal with everything, because she is needed to keep the world alive.
>>729745637It is treason, then.Verso should have been ganged up by the entire squad right then and there.
>>729745438You skip the part where Maelle was crying about bringing Noco back, and Monoco tells her it's not the same. That's why she feels empty at the end of her ending after bringing everyone back.
>>729742607>if there were to be a direct continuation, it would follow the Verso ending.Correct. The cannon continuation is that Maelle, having left the painting so soon after Renoir, convinces him to keep it, and convinces Aline to use it responsibly. She acts as the reasonable intermediate between them, being the only painter to have experienced both sides of the conflict first hand, just as Alicia had dreamed about in her letter. Verso's soul is no longer painting, Aline's creations are gone, and so are Renoir's. But they had not accounted for one person - Lune - who still exists with the touch of a painter, Maelle, and refused to be gommaged. With Verso's creation gone, and nothing left in the canvas but herself and all the chroma that surrounds her in the void, being the only intelligent being left and with the power imbued by Maelle, she is able to absorb a significant amount of that chroma.Aline, Maelle, and Renoir rejoin the canvas and begin painting together again, like in the old days, healthily this time, and in moderation. They rebuild what was lost and create a happy, thriving civilization again. What they don't know is that Lune is there, using her newfound power as a demigod to keep herself hidden, lying in wait, biding her time. The game is about Lune and her seething burning hatred for the painters. She intends to suck every single one of them into the canvas as each one enters to rescue the other, trap them there, and erase the entire thing with them in it, sending them all to the shadow realm for all eternity, leaving their mortal bodies to whither and die.
>>729745710>Verso should have been ganged up by the entire squad right then and there.Esquie and Monoco are okay with whatever Verso chooses, Sciel has accepted that choice. In the end only Lune couldn't get over Verso betraying her again
>>729740346>if you wake up from the dream, all the people in your dream will die!
>>729741569It's called Clair Obscur: Expedition 33, not Expedition 33: Clair Obscur. The expeditions are just set dressing for the real story, which is about the Dessendres.
>>729741285>>729742563>if there were to be a direct continuation, it would follow the Maelle ending.What makes you think that? The Verso ending makes a lot more sense for a sequel because the main conflict of the story is solved and all the Dessendres are alive. At best, a sequel following Alicia's ending would start with kicking her out and destroying the painting as an intro or prologue before the real story starts.
I’ve just started the game. I only have one question to ask. Which character has the most porn? I’ve got a guess, but idk
>>729746318Probably lune because she's a foot slut
>>729746318Lune
>>729740346I LOVE MY WIFE
>>729746069It's not a dream. The whole game is a metaphor for rape, incest, and abortion. It's a feminist game about a woman not having control over her own body. Even though she was raped and impregnated by her own brother, she chooses to keep the "baby" even though it's killing her because it's the one of the few things she has left from her brother.>>729746318Lune. It's all negligible though. The devs decided to spend all their marketing budget on jeet shills instead of paying people to make R34 for them like that battleborn guy.
>>729746492>Renoir top tierYou didn't understand the game.
When this game first came out I assumed all the Maelle ending defenders were doing it ironically because of how obvious it is that the Verso ending is the good end.Now I understand that E33fags are mostly just retarded.
>>729746563Renoir was correct about everything
>>729746492>search for image in archiveYep. Everyone agrees a retard made it, yet he keeps posting it. Embarrassing.
>>729744797>There's an actual chance of Gustave convincing Maelle to leave the painting at some point in the future,I agree there would be if Gustave was alive. Fortunately, Alicia took care of that problem when she repainted Gustave and made him her loyal plaything.
>>729740346You cannot genocide paintings
>>729746607>Now I understand that E33fags are mostly just retarded.Duh. see >>729746492
>>729746446>The devs decided to spend all their marketing budget on jeet shillsNot this shit again. I've asked you fags a million times and not once have I received an answer. Why don't AAA companies run similar shilling campaigns for their games if a small AA studio was able to afford it?
It's crazy to me that people can play the game all the way to the ending and still claim that the paintings aren't real people. We literally see Maelle being born.
>>729740346Can you explain what exactly is wrong with commiting genocide to save your family? If you have to choose between millions of people you will never know or the family you love, the only sane choice is your family. Those who have suicidal empathy for others will go extinct, leaving only those who prioritize their own genes.
>>729746942So, remind me again, how does that even werk? I mean, why did she go through the fucking womb. Was it because she's not a good enough paintress and it happened that way instead of just being there like the rest of her family?And man, the time dilation with the real world is at phenomenal rates
>>729747070Tell me you're a thirdie without telling me you're a thirdie. There's a reason thirdie nations will forever be thirdies. And those boasting such mentality in non-thirdie nations will inevitably make their nation become a thirdie one in due time.
>>729747128It's explained in the exact scene it happens. Alicia is a shitty painter and got overwhelmed by Aline's chroma.
>>729740346Shameful and basedpilled>>729740346Sigma and sugarpilled
>>729746942Again it's because brainlets are easily swayed with words. They see "painting" and don't think past that. Make it a "parallel universe" created by the exact same people in the exact same way (just make the "brush strokes" figurative) and they'd suddenly sing a completely different tune.Why do you think "othering" has been such an effective and persistent concept in history?
>>729747278>Alicia can paint hundred of paintings if she is alive in real world>creating millions of living beings in those painting>akhually her life is worth less than one group of people in one painting!!!No, Alicia life is clearly worth more
>>729746629Nice fanfiction but this thread is for what actually happens in the game
>>729747070>said the somali bulbhead>said the jeet streetshitter
>>729747278It's quite literally the opposite. If you have equal empathy for your family as random people off the street, you will be more accepting of thirdies, and will be replaced by them. If you value your family above other White people, who you value above thirdies, your empathy is logically based on how much DNA you share, and you will be more succesful evolutionarily.
>>729747417What an idiotic statement. So it's worth killing 5 people instead of 1 woman because that woman might get fucked and birth 6 kids in the future?
I will never play Expedition 33.
I can't really tell which ending is the better ending.In one ending we see a bright hopeful mourning with Clea smiling, Alicia smiling, Renoir and Aline embracing each other, and it ends in a sweet note with Alicia saying her final goodbye to the Lumierians and growing up.In the other ending, we see a dark and somber Lumiere and the canvas still being fractured and a mess with Lumierians being kept away from the theatre by Monoco and Esquie who are now just lowly bouncers so Maelle can have a personal show for 8 people where Verso is forced to play the piano for her while she controls him like a puppet.I just... I can't tell, man.
>>729747681I would kill five people if Alicia would give me six kids
>>729741285Word, the painter family sucked dick and was not interesting in the slightest. They actually lowered the stakes in the grand finale.
>>729747461Correct, and that's heavily implied to be what happens in the game. We know that painters need someone's chroma to bring them back, as evidenced by the fact Alicia needed Lune and Sciel's chroma to bring them back. We also know that dead people's chroma deteriorates over time, and it's been months since Gustave died. It's extremely unlikely his chroma is still intact. Thus, it's more likely than not that the Gustave we seen in Alicia's ending is a recreation, and not the real one.Even if we assume Alicia bring Gustave back, she's completely insane in that ending. Do you really think she won't just erase and repaint Gustave if he dares to try to go against his creator's wishes?
>>729740346By the time you hit verso's ending, everyone is already dead. The few still alive were brought back from the dead.
>>729747465See >>729747521
>>729740346>Killing imaginary people is genocide
>>729747681Not really since those 5 people can also impregnate women. They're more or less equal, while any painter is worth millions of painted beings.
>>729747757>with Alicia saying her final goodbye to the LumieriansOh, yeah, the ones she failed to save because of Verso's trickery. I remember. What a happy ending.Not to mention the family all leave her alone by herself. So happy!
>>729748093Yes, that's what growing up means. It means letting go of imaginary friends and maybe focusing on the real threat, like the Writers who killed Verso in real life because of her naivety and mistakes.
>>729741569>He is even given his own 'Subversion' progress bar with his relationship minigame.I didn't trust verso while playing so I hypothesize while playing that it was actually a gaslight meter that the player was filling willingly and would bite me in the ass down the line when he inevitably reveal himself as a traitor
Prove that you are not painted right now
>>729748161>imaginary friends>It was all... le dream
>>729747757I'm a bit of a brainlet, so I don't understand that greyscale shot with Alicia's eyes. Is she succumbing to staying in the Canvas too long, or is she exerting her Paintress power over Verso?
>>729747870We know that people never come back the same but it's a far cry from being Alices' plaything/puppet, he's the real one in the sense that it's the same consciousness, since Lune and Sciel kept their memories intact.>She's completely insane in that endingIs retarded hyperbole the only weapon Versofags have ? Yeah she's nursing a quiet misery because she's avoiding having to deal with her issues, the only way to get through to her would be for Gustave and the rest to talk to herWith that said fuck off to https://www.fanfiction.net/
>>729748161>imaginary friendsThey are no more imaginary than the Dessendres. >no bro that is LE REALPic related, it's not even the "real" world, even if we ignore that it's all a video game in any case. Who knows how many layers there are above them, they are in one way or the other someone else's "painting".
>>729748093>Not to mention the family all leave her alone by herself.they are on their own property, what's wrong with all other heading home while Alicia decided to stay a bit longer at Verso grave?
>>729747757I'm gonna make a game that gives you two choices: one is to kill everyone for fun and the other is to not do so, but I'll be sure to make it so the former ending has happy colors and music while the latter is all dark and gloomy.Nobody will be able to argue against that the mass murder was good, actually.
>>729748310>Pic related, it's not even the "real" world, even if we ignore that it's all a video game in any case.So your brain can't comprehend that they might have different calendar than our own real world?
>Saving a family of real people who are effectively Gods capable of building living breathing worlds far into the future (assuming they are released from their grief)VS>Saving the world of a single one of their paintings that is only still functioning due to the aforementioned families grief, serving as a forever reminder of what they lost and not allowing them to move onIf you chose the Maelle ending, you are either a child ruled by their emotions and are unable to conceive of the greater good, or you're a sooner who doesn't want their paint waist to disappear
>>729748417Ok so you agree they are imaginary too by your definition. How does that make them any different then? You brainlets REALLY get taken for a spin by words, don't you?
>>729747757Pic is unfair. Maelle's ending also have people smiling, hugging,etc
>>729743284>Nobody does, really.The idea it boils down to is extremely simply and straightforward and can be processed by basically anyone>Creator of reality is not benevolentEverything else in it is worthless fluff for freemason retards not worthy anyone's attention.
>>729748383Everyone is already dead. You're not a mass murderer. Your father is.
>>729748310>Pic relatedDon't get me wrong, it could be a hint that the real world is actually fake, but it could also just be the french republican calendar. It was used around that time irl and had 12 months of 30 days + 5/6 extra days. December 33 would be a valid date under that calendar or a variation of it, even if the irl version had the extra days not part of december.Could be the devs just saw that and figured they'd be cheeky and use it as an excuse to put another 33 in the game.
>>729740346awwwwwwwwww did you also get mad when mommy deleted your WoW character?
>>729747757>>729748524Fitting that Versofags lie, huh?
>>729748242Only other time we see those patterns are when the painters are either actively painting in the real world, like during Clea's reveal and we see it in Aline's face as well.
>>729748596Could be, but either way saying that the painter's world is more real than the painted one is more real just because it's "painted" (despite this being a magical painting thing that has very little relation to the real act) is dumb. You could just call it "universe creation" and all these people claiming the painted world is not real would sing a completely different tune, despite the only difference being the term used to describe it.
>>729747331>Make it a "parallel universe" created by the exact same people in the exact same way (just make the "brush strokes" figurative) and they'd suddenly sing a completely different tune.When time travel and multi-verse shit gets added people also stop giving a fuck.
>>729748358Don't you get it? This OBVIOUSLY means they all HATE her. Just ignore the fact that Renoir and Clea clearly love her and Aline has no strong evidence either way, or the fact that Alicia doesn't mention it as a reason she wants to stay in the canvas. The CLEARLY DESPISE her and WANT to KILL her and I am in NO WAY projecting my family situation onto the game.
>>729747757>>729748630Versofags act like EVERYONE is being tortured for eternity of some shit but the only thing that's even hinted at is that Verso is the only one bitching and Maelle might have forced him to play. We see everyone else having a good time.Liar faggots
>>729748242Both. Whenever we see the chroma eyes in the game it's somebody who is actively painting, so that shot signifies she begins actively painting something in that moment. We also only see it on people who have been painting for prolonged periods, seeing their entire forms melt away giving way to chroma with enough exposure. So you can imagine Maelle's painted avatar is beginning to whither away like Aline's, and she is also beginning to paint over Verso's will in that moment.
>>729748167It was a gaslight meter.It measured how much bullshit you were getting away with towards every character.Verso literally fucks then kills Lune and everybody she ever knew and even the children of LumièreWe needed a 'No Gods, No Masters'-Fallout New Vegas ending where we just trap the mind of the demiurges inside the canvas and kill them, then enslave them into painting the world in perpetuity.A tyranny of Queen Lune, if you will.
>>729748776How is it any different other than the terms you use for it? They created a full universe with sentient beings, but they did so with a painting theme and called it painting, so it's completely different now?
>>729740346>2026 (somewhere)>Still trying to convince people Verso is somehow the bad guyGet a job, Alicia.
>>729746895I've seen more streamers cosplay as E33 characters than I have seen R34. The game is FOTM. There are no fans.
>>729748490They make unworthy and evil gods. Saving them is an act of evil since it will allow them to so more evil. Maelle's ending is not a good ending because good ending would be just eliminating all of them somehow, but it's as good as it gets.
Nothing prevents Maelle from repainting every Lumerian in her own canvas, btw.
If Maelle unhooks herself from the pleasure cube and learns how to actually paint she could make infinity new worlds filled with life. As a utilitarian I have to go with Verso
>>729748918>Wants the world to end because he's suicidalWow so mature wow....
>>729748490>conceive of the greater goodTell me how commiting genocide so we allow one fucker to kill himself, and help a teenage girl turn off the videogame.Fuck these people. Lumière has CHILDREN, has decades of resistance under its belt, it is fighting a sisyphian glorious struggle against the gods. The goal of the Expedition itself is to save Lumiére.Then people like you come about and preach that the good ending is killing all these people forever, destroying their world and even killing the gestrals (who have nothing to do with it, but sufffer by being hunted by nevrons in this idiotic war).Face it, you defend genocide because it has colors and music, and the game tells you it is the correct choice.If you picked Verso's ending, you're probably vaccinated.
>>729748272>he's the real one in the sense that it's the same consciousness, since Lune and Sciel kept their memories intact. Except Alicia had Lune and Sciel's chroma. The chances Gustave's chroma is still salvageable is essentially zero. No chroma means she can't bring him back.>Is retarded hyperboleIs it really hyperbole when this shot exists? She's clearly not mentally stable.>the only way to get through to her would be for Gustave and the rest to talk to herI don't think there's any getting through to her. She's a mentally unwell god who will not take kindly to her subjects telling her what to do.
>>729748910>so it's completely different now?Holy shit you guys are definitely midwits. You either can barely read and skim posts or you're intentionally misinterpreting posts to keep babbling on about nonsense to make yourselves seem more intelligent.>>729749020>>729749052She should repaint it with less DEI this time, and less French.
>>729749151>The chances Gustave's chroma is still salvageable is essentially zero. No chroma means she can't bring him back.What's your source on this? She is both a much much weaker painter than the others at that point, and she's also fighting for control of it with her father. How do you know she can't bring Gustave back? Do we even know how much time has passed? Is there even a hint of where the cutoff would be?
>>729749151>>729749239>No chroma means she can't bring him back.She brought back Pierre and Sciel was perfectly happy with him. Versofags love sweeping this under the rug, though.
>>729748242Also, this is the real world Aline after she gets kicked out of the canvas in Act 3. She stumbles around, falls to the ground, weak, with the same painted eyes, coughing her lungs out.
>>729748490There is no greater good in your scenario. Existent beings with complex thought are deserving of ethical consideration. Potential future beings to not deserve that same consideration. There are an infinite number of them and it's morally absurd to give them rights, impossible even, since for every being you bring into existence you deny the existence of an infinite number. You consider who exists here and now, and by exists, I mean has sentience and awareness. Those yet to exist will be factored in to ethical decisions once they come to exist.
>>729749151>that pichow come Maelle looks less happy here>>729749121than in Verso ending?
>>729749151Anon, panted people don't have souls. They don't have specific Chroma.Real people like real Verso has a soul, it's what powering the Canvas.She didn't get any "specific chroma". She just got some chroma that floating around in Lumiere's square while Renoir was destroying it.pVerso even taught her that to paint someone from memory is to remember their essence, your memories of them.That's how Aline painted Clea, Verso, Renoir and Alicia. They weren't real people, they were simulacrums of how Aline remembered or saw them.
>>729748490This might just be the worst argument Versofags make in these threadsI don't want these people to create more life, motherfuckerYou are the equivalent of people that want whores to keep getting pregnant so they can keep abortingI'm worried about the baby she's stuck with RIGHT NOW
>>729742062>mfw the painful reality is dipping out and going back to your family instead of confronting the nature of what is left of Verso and why he is systematically suicidal you are a retard. Maelle ending is the "painful reality" and the actual juice of the plot would have come past her route. both endings suck dick but Maelles sucks less
How am I still under leveled for so much side stuff? I beat Renoir in 2 turns.
6 million Lumierens and only 4 painters? That don't sound right to me. Strange how the total number of Lumierens barely changed before the gommages and after Maelles ending.
>>729749549>Maelle ending is the "painful reality"what the fuck is this argument? Verso ending is only one happening in reality
>>729749151>Except Alicia had Lune and Sciel's chroma. The chances Gustave's chroma is still salvageable is essentially zero. No chroma means she can't bring him back.There's no reason to believe she couldn't or didn't find Gustave's chroma.>Is it really hyperbole when this shot exists? She's clearly not mentally stable.She's miserable not insane>I don't think there's any getting through to her. She's a mentally unwell god who will not take kindly to her subjects telling her what to do.I mean i can't argue for a guaranteed win on Gustave and co's part but that's not the point
>>729740882fpbp, op is a moron.
>>729749547>You are the equivalent of people that want whores to keep getting pregnant so they can keep aborting>Maellefag calls Alicia a whore
>>729749112You should play Act 3.
>>729749482Painted Verso is way too manipulative (just like Real Verso) to be a simulacrum based on Aline's thoughts.Not to mention that it doesn't explain the babies that get born on the world.There's abstraction here, but this is essentially a real world with its own causes and consequences that she created.
>>729749619>Verso ending is only one happening in realityWhat is it with Versofags and saying this retarded shit?
>>729749549>maelle stuck in a make-believe world controlling everything, playing god and under pure escapism because she can't confront the consequences of her actions in the real world is "the painful reality"
>>729749619its such retarded netflix tier writing. just duplicate it once and everything falls apart. imagine if in your "real world" this fake canvas bullshit gets pulled again. you would have zero ground on which to defend the family. its so fkn bad. the writers failed to justify the distinction of the worlds and the ground on which the family airs out their grief.
>>729749482She literally goes "I can see them" retard>>729749686>Literally goes "I don't want this life" over and over again in Maelle's endingYeah he also wants to force his sister to confront her grief but he's also very suicidal because of his identity crisis
>>729740346By the way, the writer's main inspiration for Verso is a character named Emet-Selch / Hades from Final Fantasy 14. Literally a bad guy who lies and manipulates people into destroying their own worlds for the sake of his own, which was originally divided into 14 parts and can only be restored if these 14 parts are once again combined.The difference is that Emet-Selch is funny, sarcastic and exhausted, trying to legitimately understand the side of the heroes (the equivalent to the painted world) who want to still exist.And in the end, he does concede and helps the heroes.
>>729749731cool story bro. shame the shitty writers failed to make the explicit point of it being a "make believe world" if in the family world someone came along and pulled the "painting in a painting" bullshit you would have zero choice but to accept it again. its so bad.
>>729749845>If [thing that doesn't happen] happened, then it would be a totally different story!Uh, ok?
>>729749669This is one of the fundamental problems with Versofags.You think I care about Maelle.I mean, I do sort of care about her. Just like I sort of care about Verso (Even if he is a manipulative cocksucking villain and you're an idiot that fell for his lies so hard you not only fell for his ending but are still defending it to your last breath months later)But the priority is not on either of them. They are both different tiers of demigods. Verso was born a demigod and Maelle is a former god that is now briefly a demigod.Maelle's ending is correct for the sake of Lumiere.And before you go to the part of your Versofag lying bot script where you try pretending that they are puppets or whatever else: Sciel was happy with Pierre. Let me just cut off that bullshit you're about to spew right at its root.
Maelle = Good guyVerso and Renoid = Bad guysIts that simple
>>729749905no wonder video game stories are such a joke and no one considers this shit art. with consumers like this what more do you need.
>>729749775>I don't want this life>this lifeWhat life you do think this is?
Maelletrannies are never going to stop painting
I love Verso as a character because he is one of the best villains in vidya history. Unironically. Not memeing. He manipulates everyone. He manipulates himself. And the game literally signals it, too.I hate Versofags because they are desperate brainlets trying to hide this reality. Or so stupid they don't comprehend it.
>>729749121>YOU DEFENDED GENOCIDEIt's not a genocide. Everyone was unpainted when they killed the Paintress.Maelle brought ZOMBIES back to life after their time. You are defending the demi-urge while I condemn it
>>729750149>Maelle brought ZOMBIES back to life after their timePierre ScielYour cope dismantled
>>729749908Versofags can only connect to stories at a surface level, they need it fed to their mouths. If there is no fanfare, colors and a congratulations screen telling that they picked the right choice, they grow grumpy. This is why Verso is the videogame equivalent of taking the Covid-19 vax. Anyone who thought about it for more than 2 minutes know it is a bad idea.
>>729749775Yes, them, the people who were gommaged, not just Lune and Sciel who were gommaged in the harbor.pVerso: "Painting isn't about verisimilitude, it's about essence."verisimilitude: the appearance of being true or real."Lumierians are real people" BTFO
>>729750096Verso is no villain. The game couldn't have made it more clear who the villain is (Aline/Alicia and their refusal to leave the canvas)>>729750202HOLY BASED VERSO GOD
>>729750191It's a combination of not thinking deeply about their choices and very poor long term memory. The smartest Maellechads still remembered the prologue. Still remembered Lune's backstory. Still remembered Sciel's backstory. Still remembered Gustave.All Versofags just remembered Maelle and Verso crying at each other.
>>729750180I just realized verso can fuck her, lmao pierre got cucked
>>729749845>the shitty writers failed to make the explicit point of it being a "make believe world"HAHAHAHAHAHA ayo this nigga thinks his ERP MMO character is real hahaha this nigga pays for player housing lmfao this nigga thinks pixels have feelings
>>729750019Existence>>729750202>I can see *them*>*Them* has nothing to do with the people she actually brought backVerso doesn't believe he's "real" because he's been cursed with memories that aren't his, he can't do what the painters can do, he doesn't understand it so of course that's what he would sayVersofag IQ
>>729750149>oh no, the demiurges will kill and enslave everyone>quick, let's kill everyone as this one demiurge wants before they do it to us!>>729750096Well noticed.His axon is literally a masked man, ffs. The game is teleprompting to you that he is a manipulator, a 'would you kindly' type from Bioshock or the Reaper indoctrination from Mass Effect. If you collect the data from former expeditions, it is clear Verso and Renoir have been sabotaging them starting in way back when.Verso is truly a great villain, but only when you realize he played you like a fiddle. He is the shittiest hero ever written unless you dig in it deeper.It is very funny to watch these youtube essays about how Verso is the perfect character because he lies to you throughout the entire story.All it takes is a single youtube essay to recontextualize everything and show the players that they botched the one (1) decision this RPG trusted them with.
>>729749482Facts but you're arguing with a retarded Maellefag. They are literally incapable of recognizing the problem with their actions. They hate Verso and they hate everything that he represents despite the game outright telling you that everyone loves him.
>painted people die in the painting>can get brought back to life willy nilly with no consequences whatsoever>people die in real life>cant get brought back and actually die>there are people actively wanting to murder the Dessendre, including Alicia, in real life>if alicia dies in the canvas she is just kicked out>if alicia dies in real life she dieshmmmmm
>>729750516>Reddit post
>>729750516To be fair, I do earnestly believe that Verso is one of those manipulative liars that is so good that he is lying to himself.That's why he found just the right excuse to justify to himself why he needed to destroy the world (Maelle lied to Renoir!!!)It's only when Maelle beats him that all the lies have evaporated and he is left with his basest impulse. "Just kill me:"Also to be fair, Maelle keeping Verso alive when he wants to die is objectively cruel. Guy has lived enough. Let him go.
>>729750568NOOOOOOOO THE CANVAS IS REAL AND LUMIERE IS REALI HATE THE DESSENDRE FAMILY I ONLY CARE ABOUT GUSTAVE BECAUSE I THINK MMO'S ARE REAL!
>>729749121>picrelThat's retarded. No one is suffering in Verso's ending. All the people of Lumiere are already dead, so erasing the canvas won't cause any more suffering. They suffer more in Alicia's ending since they're forced to exist as the playthings of a god and will be erased a second time.
>maellefags fail plato’s caveohnononono but the shadow said it loved me!!! turn maelle into debra wilson and lune into hunter schafer and every maellefag is changing sides really fast
>>729750674>It's another episode of "Bro, you'll just die 60 years from now, why not kill yourself now? This is a mercy."Why are Versofags like this>NOOO BUT THEY ARE PUPPET ZOMBI-Sciel PierreYour cope dismantled
>>729750425He had multiple chances to just end his existence without the need of multiple Deus Ex Machinas.
>>729750747>he cares more about Pixel Pierre than he does Verso DessendreYou aren't human
Alicia could 100% have let painted Verso, or at least that version of painted Verso go and be put to rest, then just painted a new Verso without being self-aware, btw, same way Aline did but she chose to actually let the self-aware Verso be her slave.
>Schizos prefer the ending where they can be lost in delusion and let their bodies and minds rot in the process.Makes sense.
I'm actually le tired, how do I pull the plug on this threads?
>>729750747Pierre, who drowned and was lost at the sea whose body was either a skeleton or a bloated decomposed mess, being brought back to life is not really the "gotcha" you think.It just further proves that Alicia can simply repaint simulacrums if she remembers them.
>>729750894>Brainlets prefer to believe that only 4 of the characters shown in the game are "real" enough for them and that 95% of the game was the French equivalent of "It was all a dream"
>>729750846Because Maelle is evil. I knew she was the villain the moment she looked at me with that smug, pretentious face.
>>729751005It's a gotcha because Sciel, who we saw being pure, rational and human during Act 3, was happy with him. So no, he wasn't some zombie puppet. She would have obviously noticed.You are creating a fake part of the story that isn't there to try to justify your genocide.
>>729750846Alicia is a shitty paintress and can't do shit without the Chroma of others.
>>729750649>Guy has lived enough. Let him goFor what he did to Gustave, I'd keep him as a piano playing ape forever.Fuck Verso.Fuck Renoir.Fuck the Nevrons.Fuck the painted family.Fuck the writersLong live the Gestrals.Long live Lumière.Long live the Expedition.For those who come after is *NON*-negotiable
>>729750846because that won't be the same, she wants THIS Verso to spent lifetime with her
>>729751105
>>729741569>>729740346Nah lol, demiurge would convince you to keep the world alive because it’s his subversion of what a soul should experience. Fucking retard lmao
>>729740346The people killed weren't real.
>>729751084>It's a gotcha because Sciel, who we saw being pure, rational and human during Act 3, was happy with him.The same Sciel that for some reason has different hair color? Maelle repainted her
>Gustave has to fuck Lune in front of Maelle and Sophie while Verso plays the piano else get turned into paint goo How long is Maelle sustaining paintland with nobody dying and just partying and fucking until she says she wants in? who is volunteering to fuck a never aging loli god?
>>729750846>Alicia could 100% have let painted VersoNo,
>>729751084>NOOOO GUSTAVE AND SOPHIA ARE REAL!!!!!!You are just as fucking delusional as Maelle which is why you argue against Verso in December when everyone already figured you people out back in May.
>>729748827>NOOOO EVERYONE IS HAVING A GOOD TIME STOP SAYING THAT THE CANVAS IS BAD!!!The mind of a manchild
>>729746492But "shit tier" villains is much more entertaining and most importantly, doesn't reek of reddit.
>>729751317They don’t even understand what they are arguing especially the context of the OP. The demiurge has trapped humanity in a subversive experience we were not meant to have, by that point alone, they should have the brain cells to understand the painted world is a parallel
At least 10 years (based on Verso's appearance) have passed and Maelle:>didn't bother to fix the canvas>didn't bother to fix Lumiere>didn't bother to fix ANYTHING>denies Lumierians (who she apparently cares about?) entry to the theatre despite the theatre being empty>turns Monoco and Esquie into petty bouncers when they used to go on fun adventures with Verso and Clea>keeps her brother (who she loves apparently?) as a petHappy ending.
>>729751432Maelle is evil and so are her fans
>>729751105He didn’t do shit to Gustave, he just didn’t save him.
>>729749239>Is there even a hint of where the cutoff would be?It seems like the cutoff is very short for people killed normally, since their chroma disperses. People killed by Nevrons can probably be brought back if they died recently, since the chroma is locked in their bodies, but we see that it still deteriorates eventually. Gommaging might have a longer cutoff since it's "cleaner" than being killed, but even then, that chroma will eventually be reused at which point it will lose the "soul" of the previous person, and Renoir used a lot of chroma in the final fight and when creating the Aberrations and Creations. >>729749302>She brought back Pierre and Sciel was perfectly happy with himAll we have is a short cutscene that's framed like a horror movie. We really don't see enough to know Sciel's opinion, or if it's still even Sciel at all. When we don't know something for certain, we should look at the tone of the ending and extrapolate from that. And the tone certainly isn't happy.>>729749624>There's no reason to believe she couldn't or didn't find Gustave's chroma. There's no reason to think she did either. Gustave has been dead for likely months by the ending.>She's miserable not insaneShe's definitely insane too. After she beats Verso, she starts being delusional and talking as if he's her real brother, when earlier he told him he's not Verso.
>>729751432maybe the lumierians like crooked pillars and its beautiful to them
>>729751105>Long live Lumière.>Long live the Expedition.>For those who come after is *NON*-negotiableYou're a fucking FAGGOT Redditor lmao holy shit. The cringe is inescapable. HAVE SEX!
>>729742407it'll be about the writers and gustave will be revealed to have been based on the writer that tricked alicia
>>729749482They have souls and they are people. The literal devs have publicly said this. Verso's ending is still better. All you're doing when saying that is giving Aliciatards ammo.
>>729749572The average act 3 side thing is way harder than Renoir. It feels like they intended you to go to fight him right away and then do everything else postgame.
>Christopher Robin has grown up and moves onNOOOOOOO you will stay trapped forever because Winnie the Pooh has to play the piano and he is happy!!!
>>729749334>You consider who exists here and now, and by exists, I mean has sentience and awarenessAgreed, so we consider Lune, Sciel, Esquie, Monoco, Verso (both), and Alicia. Lune and Sciel are better off with Alicia's ending, Esquie and Monoco are fine being erased if Verso so chooses, both Versos want the Verso ending, and Alicia is better off in Verso's ending. That gives us 2 points for Alicia and 5 for Verso.
>>729751634Can you give me a source for that?
>>729740346Renoir wouldn't mind keeping the world around but Alicia and Aline are fucking retards so he has to burn it down or they will die in it and once that happens the painting will eventually fade away dooming the world even if it doesn't get burned down by Renoir afterwards
>>729748935>There are no fansWho are the cosplayers then? Are they paid too? And you still didn't explain why there aren't similar shilling campaigns for every game. Also, if the game was bad, could any shilling campaign keep up with 5+ million legit buyers calling it bad?
>>729752017That's what he says after you defeat him in Act III, he actually doesn't mind the Canvas existing, it's just that Aline and now Alicia are addicted to it and they're living corpses.He even says that once Aline saved him from becoming like that, now he is doing the same for his family.
>been listening to the soundtrack again>Francois and Clea share musical beats, this is obvious enough>So does Goblu's Water from the Ground, surprisingly enough >Goblu is the only nevron we see that doesn't die after it's fight and has creative impulses (the flowers) which cause it to attack when interfered with. It even shows up again in Cleas Atelier guarding her doors alongside other bosses She must be a creation along the same time period as Francois but wasn't paired up, a personal play thing to help make the world beautiful. Just something I realized and needed to vent somewhere because it's been buzzing in my head because the entire interaction with this boss seemed so random and never was explained.
>>729751524>There's no reason to think she did either. Gustave has been dead for likely months by the ending.It's a reasonable assumption, we know people have a certain "feel" to their chroma, which, it's also reasonable to assume, progressively gets thinner as time passes. Though we don't have an answer for how long that takes and just saying "it's been months" over and over again doesn't support your argument. Not having to fight over chroma with Aline and Renoir, accruing experience in "resurrecting" people probably helps too. Sciel would be the least likely person to be satisfied with a copy/fake
>>729752320Sciel jumped on Verso's big cock right after having a candid conversation about how much she loves her dead husband.
>>729752278not all nevrons were created post fracture to help Renoir. As I remember Lampmaster was created by Clea to scare Verso when he was a kid
Why does Maelle delete her painted self in a nanosecond, but she doesn't do the same with painted Verso?
Literally me.
>>729751980Here https://www.gamesradar.com/games/rpg/clair-obscur-expedition-33-director-wants-the-french-rpg-to-be-open-to-interpretation-but-thinks-we-failed-as-writers-if-you-dont-connect-to-its-cast-as-humans/The actual interview seems to be paywalled by wapo, but that article contains a link to it.
>A painter is good so the canvas is good>Clair obscur is a little more complex than that, what are Maelles tax policy? What do Lumerians eat? Are there farms or everyone just eats Maelle created standard rations? Do they need to eat? Did Maelle paint everyone with stomach and ass to shit? Could you opt out of shitting and eating or is it included in the resurrection package?
>>729752475bcs then the fake drama evaporates and if they did that they would have to make the actual canvas verso more than a prop
>>729752475Alicia doesn't want to share her "brother's" affection with anyone.
>>729752610>intended for players to connect with both the world and its beloved characters as if they're real and human – despite being created with brush strokes.>as if they're real or human - despite[...]>as ifAnon, I...
>>729752538He misses his buddy :(
>>729752538Same. I also love Clea very much.
Verso did nothing wrong
>>729752909he should have romanced Maelle
>>729752116>Who are the cosplayers then?Streamers and other E-whores.
>>729752751From the actual articlehttps://web.archive.org/web/20251008140033/https://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/video-games/2025/10/08/clair-obscur-expedition-33-free-update-sandfall-interactive/>he did clarify that the audience is meant to think of and connect with the game’s world and characters as real and human.>as>not as if
>>729753702Yes, think of and connect asNot that they are actually real or human, just that you're supposed to empathize with the characters and world
>>72975359It seems you're getting distracted by having multiple questions in one post, so I'll make it simpler for you.Why don't big AAA games have similar shilling campaigns if a small AA studio can afford it?
>>729753286Maelle is for Gustave only. Sciel owns Verso as her personal toy.
Clea created half the Canvas with Verso, I think I'll trust her over Alicia who didn't even want to play with them and who was reading BOOKS like a fucking NERD.>"Oh my God, I lived 16 years in the canvas!". Yeah, and Verso and Clea literally created it 50/50 and probably spent centuries in it until they grew out of it.Alicia is such a fucking stupid whore.
>>729753812>Why don't big AAA games have similar shilling campaigns if a small AA studio can afford it?It's already been proven that the devs come here to shill it for free instead of working on the sequel because they're waiting for AI to get better.
On an allegorical level Renoir and Verso are 100% correct, the game is about moving on / coming of age storybut this game operates on toy story's logicthe creations are real, have their own will and feelings and it feels kind of reasonable for Maelle to sacrifice herself for her creations to give them as long of a lifespan as possible Then again, Verso again does have a say in this, a part of the real him is trapped in this creation and kept immortalit is reasonable that he does everything in his power to escape that suffering even if it means dooming it all
>>729754007>Renoir and VersoThey are wrong and the game is about hope only existing for Alicia inside the canvas, your are always dooming someone to unhappiness
>>729751432i take it that Maelle is simply not nearly as powerful as Renoir because she's into writing rather than painting so it's not that she doesn't want to fix it, she literally cannot
>>729754000>It's already been provenUh huh. I'm sure it has.And why don't bigger companies have departments dedicated to that? Or hire some jeets for that?
>>729740346The game is very Jewish. No they're not real. They're just clay golems that can reproduce.
>>729754134Exactly. And I care little about the whore that trusted the mortal enemies of her family and caused her brother's death and her deformity.Meanwhile we got Clea who is curbstomping every single Writer scum.So if I'll side with anyone, it'll be with the Dessendre family moving on and killing the Writers.
>>729753808That's just mental gymnastics. The intention is clearly that they're real, both in that interview and in the game. If the intention was for them to not be real, the game would have done something to show that, such as not letting you play act 1 as Gustave or by having a scene or 2 where they act weirdly robotically. They're written as human, so they are human. It's still Verso's ending btw. I'm not disagreeing on that just to be clear.
>>729754007>reasonable for Maelle to sacrifice herself for her creationsHer creations?
Get mogged.
>>729754294I was trying to shitpost but i couldn't come up with something retarded enough so i just wrote whatever came up first
>>729754007The problem here is multiple but it feels like there are definite misconceptions that are trying hard to become truth. The bit of Verso we see as the boy is not his soul trapped in here by tragedy. There's nothing to imply he's in agony. It's the thumbprint of the Creator as he was at the time of creation. A still image that catches a lot of breadth and depth but isn't him by any means. He only implies he wants to stop at the absolute worst part of the story. Renoir has forcibly killed everything in the painting, the Nevrons are devouring the landscape down to the bedrock and the family is doing nothing but fighting and hurting one another. The child says it loves Lumiere even if they aren't 'His'. He doesn't object to additions, or alterations to his vision. He wants everyone to enjoy the canvas together but the family cannot because of their own baggage, which is the only reason it would ever conceivably have to be destroyed. Aline and Alicia use it unhealthily to avoid their problems, and even in her ending there is one citizen she'll never allow to return, and that is Maelle because she hollowed out her existence and is using it as a basis for her dream self now. The painted verso we play with has as much a say as anyone else but he himself is extremely self motivated to get the hell out of this existence so we cant say he's close to the Real verso and what he would say on this as much as the child isn't the real verso. Renoire calls him a stunning likeness but he is his own person with his own goals and desires. There is no concrete good choice, the only hopeful one is that Alicia can get the fuck out and remake the world in a better way once she stops being such a fucking mess
>>729754554GOD, PLEASE GIVE ME A CLEA WIFE, I PROMISE I'LL BE A GOOD HUSBAND
If you faggots had a family of your own you would side with renoir tooMaelle is a victim of her own childish delusionsTeens are retarded
So did Maelle just spawn into the painted world as a baby or what? This shit doesn't make any sense.
>>729754673You don't deserve her. Only one man did and he was the strongest in his world.
Something that strikes me as odd, Fading Man and Fading Boy (Renoir and Verso's soul) speak as if they were "in the past", as if they were ingrained in the canvas in a certain time and space.But Fading Woman (Clea) is obviously the Clea we see in the real world talking to Alicia "in real time".Is Clea really THAT powerful that she can "keep an eye in the canvas in real time" while still living the real world simultaneously with a dual perception of reality?HOW STRONG IS CLEA?
>>729754816Smelly French wives... <3
>>729754805She was painted into it. So essentially she was spawned in but she lived those 18 years as Maelle. So even if she only started existing in the painting however many days or weeks it was when she entered properly, it was as if she was actually there from the start.
nice
>>729754134How fucking insane do you have to be to see >>729747757, hear the ending song about unwritten tomorrows and healing which is exclusive to Verso end, and then declare that dying in the canvas is the real hope for Maelle? Seriously, what sort of diagnosis causes this level of denial?
>magical painting world gay-shitI will never play this game. Plus, Dark Souls 1 already did that.
>>729754875That's actually an interesting point about the fading whatever's. I suppose it's because she's still actively supervising the feud in some capacity because she needs Renoir for her blood feud. If she's the one actively racking up the tower challenges I suppose yeah she can sort of interface with it without actually entering the world. Especially since the endless tower seems to be a particularly 'loose' space, being it reaches right into infinity. I suppose it's just a special thing. But I don't know how pound for pound she would rank against her parents if they weren't exhausted by decades of simulated warfare. I guess just settle on really damn strong
>>729750096He even drops his mask at the very end, begging Alicia to unpaint him. I'm sure he also thought Alicia was better off without the canvas, but the main driving force was always his own wish to die.
>>729755020Trust
>>729754875Clea is the strongest artist in the family, so strong that she doesn't care much about the events going on. She also does not care for her sister or her creations like François and the nevrons.This is the type of sister you want Maelle to return to. Adding to that, their enabler limpdick father and their wicked mother who painted Maelle in her world so she would suffer forever and be a cripple.
>>729754875Compared to her siblings, Clea's fully invested into painting, so she's gonna be the most skilled of the lot. And unlike Renoir and Aline, she does stuff like revising existing creations such as painting over Painted Clea. Her parents may be able to do something like that, but I don't remember them showing that skill in-game. I don't think we know if she's surpassed her parents, but her skills are the real deal.
>>729755262>She also does not care for her sisterAliciafag...
>>729751413>NOOO YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO ENJOY LIFE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DISAPPEAR INTO AN ETERNAL NOTHINGNESS!lmao what a faggot you are
>>729755368That meme is so real
>>729755262>enabler limpdick fatherNothing about Renoir is an enabler for weakness. If he didn't spent 80 years in a fucking mountain he would have dragged her out by her hair. The Reacher shows he knows Alicia can fly to great heights and he wants to help her any way he can, but she actively refuses the wings given to her at one point solely so she can stay in her own comfortable shell. Poor man does not deserve this family
>>729754805You gotta understand that real life vs painted life has a time dilatation shit going on.So a few hours or minutes IRL might be weeks or months in the painted world.So, when you stop to think about it, after Clea teases Alicia about "having fun" being rebirthed, we don't know how much time has passed. Maybe Aline, unconsciously/subconsciously painted Maelle's parents to breed and then rebirthed Alicia as Maelle.
>>729751525The city is literally cracked into pieces, anon. There’s also no life anywhere except the opera. Not a single person in the harbor, nobody going past the opera house minding their own business, nothing. Everybody is obligated to be interested in Verso and his performance.
>>729755318>Her parents may be able to do something like that, but I don't remember them showing that skill in-game.Aline is the only one that could have painted over Simon and given him a phantom version of her own daughter to keep him motivated. No way Clea would allow that or hinder her own father that way given they want the same things
>>729755342>the only thing you owe them is live a life you enjoyNOOOOOOOO, you owe them genocide, you must kill everyone you ever knew because Verso wants you tooooooooThen go back to being miserable and eat the bugs.Stop painting and go take the vaccine, Alicia
>>729755262>>729755318>clea is the only one who can paint over other people's creationAccording to Alicia or Verson, don't remember.
>>729752475She wants her oniichan, while her painted self means nothing to her. That’s why she respects the wishes of one but not the other.
>>729755553I think the point to that quote is that Alicia should build her own happiness, = not do drugs with paint
>>729755516listening to piano is more fun than going to the harbor
>be me>random unimportant lumiereian that got wiped>actually gets brought back to life>this is kind nice, but I’m actually a painting>I was revived as number 8753 and Maelle was getting kinda tired from all the reviving when she got to me>mfw she forgot to draw my penis>Im now too shy and afraid to ask the eternal demiurge to draw my penis>they say gustave, maelles favorite, has a 12 inchernyo…
>>729755553>It's a drug she's unwilling to resist. Don't make the same mistake
>just finished the game>figured Maelle ending would be some very depressing shit because of these threads>actually everyone is shown enjoying themselves, Gustave is back, as are others>the only one who isn't is Verso who, as was already established, wants to die>Maelle is not controlling anyone except Verso, and even then it's not certain>Verso is even aging, showing Maelle is true to her word at least so far to "live out one life in peace">there's a good chance she'll actually leave the canvas when Verso diesYou faggots completely misrepresented the ending, all you fuckers post are the black and white shots which are like 20% of the ending if that.>b-but she lies!According to whom? Verso the liar whose Axon is literally a man of many masks? Verso who claims it's for Alicia that he wants to destroy the canvas but once bested and unable to do so falls back on his true wish and begs her to unpaint him? Notice how he didn't beg her to destroy the canvas to the very end? His mask literally fell off at the very end when he broke down.Yes it's a possibly bad ending for Alicia if she doesn't follow through with leaving after Verso's death. Yes it's a bad ending for Verso forced to life another lifetime that he doesn't want to. For everyone else though? It's the best ending, it's not even close.
Her feet are freckled and nimble. She never sleeps. She says that Verso will never die. She paints in light and in shadow and she is Papa's favorite. She never sleeps, Alicia. She is painting, painting. She says that Verso will never die.
>>729755739It is pretty clear Maelle has a little bit of an unhealthy attachment to Gustave and maybe a teenage crush, but she is a teenage girl and you cannot judge her for it.In the Prologue, if you talk to Maelle again before going to talk to Sophie, she'll tell you:>if things don't go as planned with Sophie, I'm here for youIt is a very strange wayLater on, she also tells Gustave:>Gustave: Well, according to Lumière's papers, I am your surrogate father>Sophie: (That does not matter) According to those papers, we are also all dead
>>729755553>Don't become an addicted meth head like your mom, dear sister
>>729754576NTA, but Aline painted canvas Verso to essentially revive her beloved son. It would make sense if he were made entirely true to life.
>>729755929>there's a good chance she'll actually leave the canvas when Verso dies
>>729756019the thing is Maelle is dead in end of act 2. In act 3 you have Alicia pretending to still be Maelle
>>729756123But the thing is she made him perfect but he instantly starts diverging from that point onwards. Not only does he face strange disasters he's also inevitably forced to face that his family is and himself are replicas to assuage the heartache of an identical stranger to the woman that bore him. By dint of new experiences memories and scars he is not Verso, he is just someone very similar to him.
>>729755262Both Esquie and Francois say that Clea was a lot kinder in the past. She used to dance and sing and play with them. I'm guessing Verso's death hardened her and since Aline and Renoir are fucking around she has to fight off the writers by herself while also looking after her useless sister.Also worth noting Clea only ever looks down on the Lumierians painted by her mom as parasites to Verso's painting. She never says anything bad about the gestrals or grandis, being the one who helped paint them and all.
>>729756019He's her only strong male figure in her life that didn't abandon her. He acts like a father, but is also gentle enough like a brother for her to easily talk to. He's supportive of her choices, and she strongly models her beliefs and actions around him. And he's also a fucking genius who created revolutionary tech that would've helped all future expeditions should theirs fail.Her attachment for Gustave is perfectly reasonable.
>>729756019>Verso bangs his big sister>Maelle bangs her big brotherEverything is beginning to line up
>>729755929Did you even finish the game with Maelle's ending?If you go for Maelle's ending, the dialogue goes:>pV: I don't want this life, I don't want this life. Please, unpaint me! Unpaint me!>Maelle speaking to Verso: If you could grow old, would you... find a reason to smile?And we're shown an older Verso doing the thing he LOVED (playing the piano for his little sister) not smiling.Fucking moron.
>>729754805>>729754907She entered in year 49 and is 16 in year 33 when the game takes place, so she did actually live her whole life there.
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>>729756325Didn't Clea abandon Verso's canvas way before Verso's death, possibly during her mid-teens?
>>729756325By all that is good, I want to see Clea laugh and smile.
>>729755086Alicia outright says "only Clea's skilled enough to do that" about her painting over pClea, so it seems like she's stronger than Aline.
>>729756142Said the character who has done nothing but lie from the start of the game to the very end (except maybe right after the final duel), and whose Axon is a many-faced liar. The only thing we can conclude from the ending is that so far Maelle has been true to her word.>>729756353Ok and? So Verso did not find a reason to smile growing old, so what? That's on Verso. So far, it seems Verso is ageing just like Maelle said. The only thing that is confirmed is that Maelle is true to her word so far, anything else is just your cope and delusions.
>>729756430I wish we could have saved painted Clea and had her live in safety with Francois... I think both would have liked that...
>>729756578I thought the line was closer to she wasn't strong enough to undo what was done by Clea but I accept I could be wrong. Still doesn't explain Simon though
Reminder that if you chose the Maelle ending you should probably go touch grass
Why I'm a Verso ending believer.Look at this cool dude. He is actually Very Very Cool.
>>729740346Why would you write so much just to say you are retarded
>>729745862It's a betrayal of the story to portray it as man vs god. The emotional power of the decision to keep it or not stems from the fact that all the people in it, painters and painted alike, are subject to the same overpowering grief. The gods of the Canvas are Homeric. Lune always hated Verso more than Renoir.
Am I really the only one that disliked Gustave from the get-go?He was too much of a pussy with Sophie, had a sissy panic attack before Lune found him and yet tried to be too brave with Renoir so he paid the price for it.I seriously dislike him.
>>729756579>The only thing we can conclude from the ending is that so far Maelle has been true to her word.So why Alicia instantly started saying if she leaves canvas papa will burn it and she has no life outside and everything she wants is in canvas if she didn't lie?>Story says that Alicia lied and will not willingly leave canvas>NO, IT'S VERSO WHO IS LYING!!!
>>729755536I don't think Aline painted over Simon. Clea probably left him some free will since he's more useful that way than as a mindless robot, and Aline just told him Renoir had Clea so he'd go try to kill him.
>>729756801Shut the fuck up, Verso.
>>729756850>So why Alicia instantly started saying if she leaves canvas papa will burn itBecause he will.>she has no life outside and everything she wants is in canvas if she didn't lie?That's true, what does that have to do with her lying? >>Story says that Alicia lied and will not willingly leave canvasThe story does not say this, stop making things up, why do Versofags keep lying? The only thing we are shown is her keeping her promise to Verso so far, that's it.
>>729756579Painted Verso was made by Aline to love his mother and his family. Instead he has to watch his little sister (and presumably soon his mother, since the canvas still exists) kill herself with paint meth because she refuses to leave him. Painted Verso can’t be happy by definition, because the existence he’s forced is contradictory to his very purpose. It has nothing to do will looking older or younger and Alicia bloody knows it, but she doesn’t care because she gets to have her fake brother and her zombie dollhouse.
>never mentioned by her surviving family>Stuck like this since at least expedition 0 because Simon had to have known her to have fallen in love >Seems physically painful to move given the snapping sounds of her hands in the cutscene and has been making monsters nonstop>Can't even embrace her brother one last time before having to push through to kill herself in a screaming, gory display before the croma restablished it's hold over herJesus Christ. I don't think Verso should ever get to bitch about his lot in life when this happened in his own family.
>>729748630The poor homos just haven't been the same ever since the devs confirmed his ending is genocide. Like Verso, they go into a murderous rage whenever their blatant lies are called out then cower afterwards.
>>729756554I wouldn't say abandon it. She just outgrew it and found other friends / became an adult. It does suck for Verso though since apparently he had no friends.
>>729757225Clea is exactly the kind of person who has no friends and has spent her entire life living up to her expectations
>>729742062You're LITERALLY Verso
>>729757082>The story does not say this, stop making things upthere is no pointing discussing anything with you. You will make up anything at this point. Alicia says Renoir can trust her, when Verso asks her why won't she just leave she will always come back she instantly makes up three excuses why she CAN"T AND NEVER WILL LEAVE CANVAS. And you're now making up shit that she will one day decide to leave canvas?
>>729757116>Instead he has to watch his little sister (and presumably soon his mother, since the canvas still exists) kill herself with paint meth because she refuses to leave him.It's been at least 10 years judging by Verso's age in the epilogue and there's no indication of her mother having returned to it.>Painted Verso can’t be happy by definition, because the existence he’s forced is contradictory to his very purpose.Ok too bad for him, why the fuck does everyone else have to die because of that? Him being a depressed suicidal retard by nature does not benefit your argument.>It has nothing to do will looking older or younger and Alicia bloody knows it, but she doesn’t care because she gets to have her fake brotherShe begged him for 1 lifetime together. So far that seems to be what's happening. >and her zombie dollhouse.There is zero indication of anyone other than Verso being controlled.
>>729757225>It does suck for Verso though since apparently he had no friends.Probably because he wasnt allowed to ever do what he really wanted until way later in life and by that point he put up way too strong walls to keep up appearances that I guess he never let people in.
>>729751432The last thing Maelle says to Verso is if he would be happy if he aged. Considering no one else had visibly aged, it is likely she aged him up while keeping everyone else the same, brought everyone back, then met in the opera house.
>>729757082NTA, but did you completely forget about Renoir's dialogue after you defeat him in Act III and before he gets kicked off the canvas?
>>729757116>Created by Aline to be a replacement for the real Verso, but he can't ever live up to this because of the knowledge that he's fake>Ends up being Gustav's replacement for Maelle, despite knowing he can never live up to this because he let Gustav die>Alicia insists she sees him as his own person, but she ends up treating him like a replacement for her own (dead) VersoIronically, only Clea and Renoir ever treat pVerso like he's his own person.
>>729757365Maelle is visibly aged and there's a 10 year old kid with her, no it is not Gustave's assistant. That kid had auburn hair, the kid with her has black hair.
>>729757082>Because he willWhy would he? He doesn't want to unless forced to. It seems Aline might have actually had some sense knocked into her when she was kicked out, since she willingly leaves on her own after helping Alicia. If so, assuming Alicia also proves that she can be reasonable by leaving on her own, he has no reason to destroy the canvas. If Alicia was afraid of Renoir waiting for her to leave to destroy the canvas right afterward, she could probably call him in and have a discussion before exiting. Instead, she proves him right and dooms Lumiere.
>>729757225>since apparently he had no friendsJust like Versofags. No wonder they flock to him lmao
>>729757301Is this from the DLC?
>>729757376he's a retard who says Alicia didn't lie to Renoir. He doesn't give a fuck and will bend story to his will
Verso ending > Maelle endingAlso,Clea's unenthusiastic handjobs
>>729757479What? I'm talking about what Renoir, the actual Renoir talks about with with Alicia before getting booted off
