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>jumping doesn't make a number go up anymore???>GAMING IS FINISHED
You're about a decade and a half too late to notice that Skyrim is really an action game with an upgrade system and not an RPG with character builds.
>>729768847Why is a doujin telling me this?
Yeah Skyrim was aimed at a more mainstream audience, and I think most RPGs have moved in that direction compared to the 90s/00s.Most people don't care about having 100 attributes or min-maxing, they want to bash into mobs, find loots, and have a cool level up sound from time to time
Morrowind removed:Language, Backstabbing, Climbing, Critical Strike, Dodging, Etiquette, Streetwise, Medical, Pickpocket, Running, Swimming, and Thaumaturgy pretending to care about tes being casualized after the xbox game is sad
>>729769025>Most people don't care about having 100 attributes or min-maxing, they want to bash into mobs, find loots, and have a cool level up sound from time to timeYou can do all that while having the ability to min max and have 100 attributes. People somehow are retarded enough to think that since any change happening to the game they love will make it technically into a different game they will shit their pants and cry out in pain because they dont want to play a different game.
>>729768847like half of these were removed in oblivion
>morrowfags makes a quantity argument>when morrowind is <1% the size of daggerfall>with <1% of the NPCs>with <1% of the quests>with languages, wall climbing, quick travel, carts, horses, boats, property and more removedinb4 it now becomes a quality argument
>>729768847Don't worry. We'll remove even more in the next one.
>>729769613We're talking about Skyrim though.
>>729769675ok you disingenuous little kike nigger
>>729769613I never know if Daggerfall fags are just a huge troll. On one hand, I don't want to believe that people genuinely defend a procedurally generated, soulless slop machine like Daggerfall, but on the other hand, they always seem a little too serious about it.
>>729768847You clowns are yet discover how they butchered or outright removed nice magic schools? after all these years .... man
>>729768847False. Oblivion removed Medium Armor, Spear, Axe, Short Blade, and Unarmored.
>>729769941because daggerfall had a bunch of potential as an ultimate fantasy life sim. instead of improving it in the sequel they just dumbed it down into a boring console game
Players are railroaded into sneaky archer by design. Bethesda recognized the core issue with the awful feeling level scaling in late-game Oblivion. It's because level ups are tied to class skill advancements, and eventually your combat class skill progression will start to plateau. This means you'll eventually start getting levels that are only utility skills and not combat skills, which means the enemies will scale to be stronger but the player won't. If you focused on utility skills over combat skills with your build, then you'll experience getting out-paced by scaling much earlier on. Skyrim solves this by effectively making every character have the same build. Melee and archery skills were prioritized, where's everything else was simplified and reduced. This means everyone will subconsciously play a fighter that picks up a little bit of magic for bonus AoE damage and utility. The fixed round numbers for HP gains on level up also ensures everyone is appropriately tanky.
>>729769492It removed medium armor, axe, and spear but kept everything else. Skyrim removed mysticism then spread its spells to the other schools of magic and unarmed got a few pity perks in heavy armor.
>>729769941>morrownigger constantly shits on newer TES game because it removed X>point out how retarded the argument is because morrowind removed more Xs than any other game in the franchise>duh but why are you defensing daggerfall?!?!?holy fuck morrowkikes have a negative iq
>>729770272well with the power of AI that can finally be realized. but y'all ain't ready for that conversation yet
>>729770272Did it, though? Daggerfall was only ever impressive on paper. If you actually played it, you very quickly realized that 99+% of it are completely worthless fluff, cobbled together randomly from a small handful of actually designed components. If anything, Morrowind afterwards proved that no amount of randomly generated quantity can measure up to handcrafted quality. Daggerfall's entirely model was a dead end from the start, at least with the technology available at the time, and even now. Give AI another decade, and maybe it'll be at a point where a Daggerfall-esque game can exist and not feel like trash.
>>729770454>>729770529good morning sirs
>>729770391I wasn't even talking about Morrowind, you illiterate fuck. I was just musing about how I keep seeing people on /v/ jerk off to Daggerfall these days.
>>729770370Its funny because I havent played either stealth nor archer builds in skyrim forever now, I carry a bow for puzzles and ocassional special arrows from mods but thats it, and I only really sneak when the game needs me to otherwise I just rush in. Maybe I got impatient with the game somewhere past the 500 hour mark but I definitely dont feel like going back that playstyle anytime soon
>>729768847In TES 6 they will probably remove skills completely and just have players choose red, green or blue on levelup.
>>729768847removing skills is a good thing. bethesda should drop the rpg facade and just make action adventure games. the rpg elements have always been the worst part of their games
I, for one,like rpg elements.
>>729770597how about you muse my cock you cuck faggot
>>729768847skyrim did not remove medium armor, short blade, spear axe and unarmoured. Oblivion did, though they did at least roll axes into blunt weapons despite axes not being blunt weapons at all
>>729768847some of those were actually removed in oblivion howeverthuslychancebeit
>>729769010Action game would imply the combat isn't dog shit, so it can't be an Action game either.If it's not an RPG, and not an Action game, and the open world is too shallow for it to be a real Adventure title, what exactly is Skyrim aside from slop? A glorified mod holder?
>>729768847>hand to handShould have stayed>athletics/acrobaticsShould have stayed but merged into one skill, no need for two separate ones>mercantileWas merged into speech, which is fine>mysticism Honestly the most useless magic skill, all the spells from oblivion were just rolled into other skills>medium armorWould have been nice to keep this for more armor variety>seperate skills for all weaponsI’m ambivalent because one handed and two handed let you use a wider variety of weapons rather than specialize on a single type. This is useful because we all know that devs play favorites with weapons, usually swords get the most unique weapons while blunt weapons get shafted. Still, I can see arguments for why it would be better to keep them separate
>>729771460>Action game would imply the combat isn't dog shithave you never played a bad action game before?
>>729770370I've never once become a stealth archer in Skyrim, and I've tried several times, and every time I wind up becoming a Conjurer wandering the battlefield looting the dead while my Dremora Lords are ragdolling the corpses of the poor sods that got uppity.
>>729769941Daggerfall has that shitty machine soul. Nothing get close to the insane dungeons from that game. I will remember this forever: spending 5hours trying to kill something only to do all the dungeons and thinking I just wasted 5hours on a bugged dungeon(actually happen often with the original dos version) then I checked the 3d map and noticed some weird spot. Turn out there was very well hidden room. You can't do this shit on morrowind or skyrim because one is too small in scale for its dungeons and the other is just non-stop corridors. Also you would learn them all by heart meanwhile DF has too much shit to get even start getting used to it.>>729770529Daggerfall is comfy at a slow pace. I like taking it slow, going to different shop to find what I need. Going to a dungeon was a big deal because of how tedious and massive some were.
>>729768847Skyrim didn't remove medium armor, Oblivion did.
>>729768847. threads should be a bannable offense.
>>729770370I played sword and board nord. With a bow for the odd need for range. No magic other than shouts.You're a pussy
Mercantile was a genuinely shit stat that serves no purpose in any game that doesn't inherently have mechanics regarding running a store. Bartering can easily be rolled into Speechcraft, which is what Bethesda did. Even in DnD, Charisma is the primary modifier for discounts.
>>729768847Leveling up your skills didn't really give you anything interesting in Morrowind, and solving quests 99% of the time just ended up being either fetch quests or "go kill this guy if your speech isn't high enough to spam the generic persuade dice roll." Skyrim gave you meaningful bonuses and abilities as you leveled up skills and spent perk points, and you had more far more meaningful applications of them throughout the game world.
>>729773927True, we should just nuke /v/
>>729768847What mod, or mods, make Skyrim VR like Blade & Sorcery VR? I just wanna fight fight fight fight fight, but I bought Skyrim VR years ago rather than Blade & Sorcery.
>>729769902that's not very nice
>>729768847Mysticism is a meme, you could swap everything it does into a different spell school with very few issues. The others probably shouldn't have gone but I'm not gonna cry that the school dedicated to fucking abosrb magic and teleporting is gone.
