Larianiggers love slop

The companions are all terrible, but thankfully Larian know this and give you the option of going solo.

>>729790368
Balance is trash sadly

>>729790821
Armor has to be one of the most cucked things i've ever seen in RPGs. Devs had no bloody idea what they were doing.

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>>729790368
Josh Sawyer will forever live in the shadow of DOS2's phenomenal success. Literally, he supervised a turn-based mode patch for Pillars 1 just a few months back. He keeps thinking about Divinity and Larian all day every day.

>>729790368
I hear it's popular among co-op sloppers

>>729790368
Nice try owlkek

in the first game you had no armor or magic armor but instead you had willpower/bodybuilding stats that lowered chances of getting struck by status ailments. and there were properties on randomly generated items that flat out gave you immunities to certain statuses. it was a much better system but there was rng so in larians infinite wisdom they erased all rng and turned armor into 0%/100% buffer for status effects. it's retarded nu-design that hates rng because they are bad at balancing things. dos2 is so fucking overrated because it was proto friendslop multiplayer rpg that tickled the tabletob autists the right way.

>>729791183
The first game was an RNG fest, you either land a CC and get a massive advantage giving you an easy win, or it fails 3 times in a row and the boss wipes you, making the combat too luck based. DOS2's armor system removed all RNG entirely. It's like Dark Souls, everything always lands and always does the same amount of damage, so that you can actually get good at the game.

>>729791283
False. Every attack has a damage span.

>>729790962
Imagine playing Pathfinder, or any other game with AC stacking, and then complaining about armor. As if AC wasn't a hundred times more gay and retarded. Not to mention DC.

>>729791283
but then dos2 became just flat gear/level check. if you don't have the proper damage output to outpace the enemies you will lose 100% of the time. the rng gave wiggle room. "getting better" in dos2 is just abusing teleport and 5000kg barrels.

>>729790368
I have 15 hours on it so far, just beat Evelyn. The game kinda sucks donkey penis. People talk so fucking much, I get it's an RPG but their lines have so many unnecessary words added to them, even normal NPCs. Battle music is bad. The vendor system sucks because you never know where to go to get new skillbooks. Also the game never tells you that you need the number of ability points in order to get to that certain number. To get to scoundrel 3 you need to have leveled up 3 times and gotten 3 ability points. So from 2 - 3 is 3 points.

Maybe act 2 is better? also companions suck ass, Madora is a communist texan

>>729790368
It would be a good game if not for the way armor works.

>>729790368
>devs give you multiple mixed damage example classes to choose from
>knowing full well the game is built around focusing on one or the other
Devilish.

>>729791352
Armor is wayyyy fucking worse than both AC and DC. Armor turns all encounters into DPR race and completely fucks over mixed teams in viability. The second you strip someone's armor they are dead, and the game provides so much burst damage you end up one turning encounters. Almost no means of CC before you strip armor. Absolutely fucking brainless.

>>729791421
you start getting 2 ability points per level at lvl6

>>729790368
>Owlcat
Bugs, incomplete/broken classes and jank aside, I can see why someone might think this
>Obsidian
Now it's bait. Nobody would legitimately think this after Pillars of absolute trash. Nobody is that retarded.

>>729791373
>Anon is confidently retarded
Why though? Why act like this when you clearly don't actually know what you're talking about? Why just outright bullshit about this?

>>729791624
>Almost no means of CC
Ah. So you're retarded. Gotcha.

>>729791421
who the fuck is Madora

>>729791735
Are you ok?

>>729791794
You mean beside the fact that I had to put up with reading your retarded drivel? Yeah quite fine, thanks.

>>729791775
fighter/knight companion in act 1

>>729790526
I liked the Red Prince and the skeledude
Can't even remember anything about the others besides the girl having evil lurking inside her. I also blown the elf girl to bits at the first chance I got.

>>729791860
Oh you're talking about the first game

>>729791764
Coping with teleport doesn't make CC in OS2 any better.

>>729791909
thats the picture OP posted no?

>>729791887
>I also blown
Dumb. Violent. Incapable of speaking English. Yep, it's a thirdie.

>>729791953
Anon. The fact that you think teleport is your only option just shows your utter failure at grasping the basic mechanics of the game. You're a retard, that's not the game's problem. Get over it lass.

>>729791735
I beat dos2 on tactician.

>>729791975
are you blind

>>729790368
DOS1/2 are genuinely bad games. I guess they're a fun co-op slop, because otherwise I can't understand how they got popular.

>>729792072
>I beat the game on tactician and somehow still didn't figure out basic abilities and mechanics!
You realise that doesn't make you any less retarded, right? Of course not, because you're obviously retarded.

>>729792092
oh

>>729792193
I understand how the game works and I think it's bad design. you havent made a single counter point.

>>729792282
>I understand how the game works, I claim!
>Despite this, the things I've claimed about the game are utterly incongruent with the game itself!
Surely even a retard like you would realise that doesn't work, right?
>Y-you haven't made a single counter point!
Because you haven't made a point? You made a severely blatantly false claim and I'm calling you out on it.

>>729790368
Shut the fuck up

ive only played 1 owlcat game and pathfinder kingmaker was way way worse than this. and i really really tried to like that game.

>>729792059
>is your only option
No, but it is the only option worth shit until you strip the armor.

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>developer you like makes a hit that breaks through the mainstream and suddenly every discussion on /v/ is seething contrarian incels foaming at the mouth
I hate these episodes

I never played BG3 or any other Larian game but I noticed playing OS2 that so many characters love touching or grabbing you. There's that Witch who forcibly makes out with you and vomits bugs down your throat. You even have a lot of options in dialogue to touch people to comfort them or whatever. Are all Larian games like this?

>>729792345
oh look, more fake quotes and 0 arguments.

>>729790368
If you hated this, you should play BG3 instead, which is the same game but in D&D.

>>729791095
>Wow this game is kinds shit
>>Hurr durr muh pillars
Rent free

>>729795339
pillars is an obsidian game mentioned in the op, are you literally retarded :DD

>>729794904
Yes, Belgians (fake nationality) are degenerates

>>729795201
Imagine getting gameplay mogged by DnD5e of all things.

>>729792120
DOS1 was fine mechanically, it was just terribly written.
With DOS2 they decided to revamp the semi competent systems to make the encounters as unfun as possible.

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Okay but why did Braccus give her such a fat ass?

>>729795413
It's fascinating how a genre that involves so much reading somehow attracts the biggest mouthbreathers

Armor system is an odd beast. I loved it first time I played because hit chance faggotry is gay but the game is balanced to heavily around armor. Status effects are way to abundant and powerful so when you lose your armor you're typically just fucked if you haven't started CC locking the enemies yourself. If they brought the armor values down and maybe nerfed all the ridiculous CC in the game it would feel a little more balanced.

>>729791764
He's right faggot, there's like 5 abilities that bypass armor and once armor is bypassed you can just permanently CC the enemies

armor is shit and swen himself admitted it
multiple times

>>729797812
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1953266629

>>729790962
Armor is one of the greatest game mechanic IQ filters I've ever seen.

>>729791095
no wonder his games are so balanced, even his take on low sales is incredibly balanced

>>729790368
I don't know what to believe anymore. Everyone said PoE deadfire was shit. I thought it was dope, had the best unique classes and best rtwp. Everyone has said Kingmaker is the grail. The balance is idiotic, the story meandering, and rtwp is outright unusable for most classes. I played a few hours of divinity 2 and thought it was right in the middle

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i do love me some ass

>>729797895
Yeah, that's the problem with Sawyer. His approach to anything is "sand off all the rough edges", but then what you're left with is a plate of unseasoned pasta. It's inoffensive but appeals to no one. But he's a corporate guy like that and will never get it.

>>729790368
Better cast of characters than safe horny 3

>>729797960
yeah, at some point I started to completely ignore all 4chin takes

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Do you guys dislike the armor system because it makes the game too easy? I'm on tactician and I've found it be pretty easy to keep the enemy knocked down or some form of turn waste with a mixed damage party. The start was hard but now that each member has a good mix of abilities the enemy rarely gets a chance to attack.

I have bigger issues with the "surprise" fights. I have to make a quicksave before talking to anyone or turning a corner so I can reload and unclump my party.

>>729797890
>makes the combat more streamlined and braindead
>IQ filter
Shitters literally cried about having to manage actual CC mitigation and Swen merely obliged

>>729791095
>utterly obsessed with statistics and review scores
He must be a regular on /v/.

>>729797673
armor shouldnt had been a binary switch between total immunity and get fucked. there should had been thresholds on quarters of the bar. like 100%/75% armor you are immune but when you drop to 74% youd have 25% chance to get status raped and so on. there are mods that make it work like that and it makes the game so much better I'm baffled they didn't make the game work like that out of the box.

>>729798278
Most people bitching about it are just playing telephone.
Don't get me wrong, there's stuff to criticise about the game, but armor and writing are two that get thrown out by every shitposter because they know it's something other nogames will accept without question.
If people don't elaborate or claim it makes 2/2 splits impossible, they haven't played it.

>>729798914
>and writing
Reading dialogues in DOS2 with anyone other than animals and children felt like a torture. It's like they had two different writing teams, and the main one was terrible at their job.

>>729798278
People are retards, trolling, and parroting opinions
The armor system is not a problem
There are mixed damage dealers
Enemies with zero (or practically zero) armor or magic armor from the ending of the game until the literal final fight
Mixing your damage is good
You don’t need to “optimise your damage” ffs the game has too much damage on both sides if anything, especially compared to the first game
Cc is OP yes but you do not get cc chained by enemies in 90% of combats
And this is blindingly obvious if you’ve played it considering that you lose your armor or magic armor after like 1 turn, or at least after 1 turn of combat
Meaning that you will see yourself be left alone all the time
There is gear with cc immunity (despite what some retard said earlier ITT) and there are enemies immune to certain cc
Cc chaining is too easy and should be nerfed
Magic damage is underpowered compared to physical damage
Mobility is overtuned
The games systems are made for muchkins
These are valid criticisms, not whatever vague nonsense is regurgitated in these threads
Don’t bother checking these threads bro it’s just retards baiting

>>729798914
3 and 1 splits are viable even if you actually build your characters properly
Geo for example has phys armor cc despite dealing magic damage
Rangers can deal elemental damage with their special (and plentiful) arrows
Summoners can summon or infuse their incarnate to deal physical or magical damage
And if you are a lone wolf you have enough skill points and memory slots to do both on the same characters
Shitters get filtered and /v/ hasn’t played the game

>>729791421
that's where most modern crpgs miss, those classics were nowhere near as wordy and if they were they weren't put into a half assed "cutscene"like format or they weren't fully voiced, or they were actually written well. The less you write the less you can get away with your shitty writing, a lot of these shitty rpgs could've benefited from that tip.

>>729798278
surprise fights exist because majority of fights in dos1 can be won by simply looking whats up ahead and ambush them. the turn tables in dos2

>>729798278
The armor system complaints are just fags who never actually played it properly giving up at the first mission before they could figure out the way it's balanced and play around with it.
The system works pretty well, just to outline it:

Full phys party
>very strong against low phys armor encounters
>average against mixed armor encounters
>weak against high phys armor encounters

Full mage party
>very strong against low spell armor encounters
>average against mixed armor encounters
>weak against high phys armor encounters

Mixed party
>does well against low spell armor and low phys armor due to coverage
>slightly weaker against mixed armor encounters mathematically

works out perfectly. Mix your party and cover more ground, or specialize and have higher highs and lower lows. It's a choice you make. The game doesn't "punish you for spreading damage" that's fucking retarded. People keep parroting this because they gave up at the first mission when they haven't figured out the system yet and were just spamming phys and spells at the same enemy trying to kill them in one turn (which is specifically what this system tries to prevent, it tries to force you to strategically split up your damage instead of just tunneling enemies one by one) and then going
>wtf?? this is inefficient, it must be the games fault

>>729790368
I honestly liked DOS2's combat but am not very much into stories in video games as a whole. I wish there was a Fallout Tactics kind of game, with only fighting and character progression, no talking (or very barebones). Anyone knows of a similar game? I know they planned to do sth like that before BG3 but things changed.

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>>729790368
It has its ups and downs.

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>>729802729
>play co-op
>friend chooses pyrokinesis
I should have warned him.
Only poison gets cucked harder, but at least they have earth spells to fall back on

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>>729802729
>drop dome of protection
>fight solved

>>729798278
It's just not that enjoyable to me, whereas the chance based in BG3 and DoS1 were.

I like it more than Baulders gate 3

>>729791095
deadfire doesn't run well on modern hardware, i was trying to play it and got 10fps in a city. Abysmal

>>729791095
Pathfinder was straightforward high fantasy in a well known setting.
PoE was the most no fun allowed fantasy game ever made by non Germans.
It’s that simple

>>729790387
>>729790962
I love how hard a mechanic this simple filters /v/
It’s literally poise but turn based and it causes anons to shit and piss themselves because they can’t think outside the box.
You faggots are playing RPGs like you’re 7 years old beating Pokémon by spamming the strongest attack on your overleveled starter

>>729791373
Case in point.
Take a game that’s basically final fantasy tactics built on top of an immersive sim.
Can sneak past most encounters, can place traps, can craft fucking mind maggot transfers.
Yet the iq 80 anon walks in head first into a damage race.
I fucking pity you people

>>729791515
Blatantly not true btw.
Beat the game on tactician with mixed damage types like the game is intended to be played

>>729805302
Seriously, given how lopsided many enemies' armour values are and the relative ease of finding compatible physical/magic damage options for characters, I find it odd how many people apparently hyperfixate on one.

>>729791095
Didn't Avellone write for DOS2?

>>729790368
Have you played epic encounters in 1 with a six man team? It was unbelievably kino

>>729790368
>I want to talk about a game but I'm scared that if I make an honest thread people will ignore me so I'll add to the sea of disingenuous bullshit.
Fuck off.

>>729805474
My theory is that people designate one character as the buff gimp, effectively neutering one of their damage sources.

>>729791095
>Never even considers that it was pozzed to hell as an issue

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>>729805608
Yes, he's the guy who wrote Fane.

>>729791095
The only good thing Larian did: Buckbroke Sawyer.

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>enjoy DoS
>enjoy BG, both old and new
>enjoy Pahtfinder
>enjoy PoE
>enjoy Underrail
>enjoy Wasteland
>enjoy NwN
>enjoy Tyranny
>enjoy Fallout
>enjoy Arcanum
>enjoy Rogue Trader
What can I say, I like cRPGs.

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>>729806056
Same.

>>729790368
the story never did anything for me and dialogue is fucking weird and annoying, Bg3 improved on both immensely

>>729806293
The dialog is better but the overarching story in BG3 is fucking awful

>>729806680
>overarching story in BG3 is fucking awful
you dont know it when you start and by the time its revealed you already committed to finish the game

>>729806056
I've loved most of the CRPGs I've played, but I haven't played as many as I would like yet

>>729808137
Which ones are you wanting to play, anon?

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>>729808428
Think of a CRPG that isn't Fallout 1 and 2, KOTOR1, Morrowind, or Planescape Torment. I probably haven't played it, but it's definitely "on the list". Right now I'm playing some BG3 and enjoying it enough, whenever I feel like I'm done with it I'm looking to check out the Divinity OS games or the earlier BGs.

>>729807247
>>729806680
I really wish they'd stuck to the original concept.
RIP Daisy

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>>729810513
Sorry, anon, too many players were learning uncomfortable truths about themselves.

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>nnyooo pwease stowp twolling my mawketing twead (((
Pathetic.

>>729790368
Yeah it's really bad, had to force myself to finish both of the Divinity OS games. Baldur's Gate 3 is way better than anything else they did and it had a lot of problems at launch.

>>729790368
Man, they fucked us royally.
Im currently sitting in a room with my bro, and he wanted to play DnD, so i recommended divinity 2 so we coud play some coach coop.
You cant play couch coop on the switch 2.

He tried the game for 5 minutes, wanted to break a door by attacking it.
The door took 5 damage, out of 300 HP in the tutorial area...
I thought DnD was about creative problemsolving.
Why cant i just break a fucking wooddoor as a fantasy warrior?

I think i owe him 25 bucks now.
First time i sincerely regretted recommanding any piece of media ever.

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>>729790368
Nah, it's fun. Lizards are cute, too.

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>>729811473
Lol, learn how to hit harder, you noodle-armed weenie.

>>729811473
stand by your recommendations you fucking coward

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>>729811473
If this is the door I'm thinking of, I'm afraid your friend might actually be retarded

>>729812687
Of course it's the door you're thinking of, anon.

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>>729812838
I was thinking of the door that requires the pressure plates, but it could have been the door that requires the key for double retard points.

Do people who play this co-op just speed through everything or skip content? I'm 160 hours in at the nameless isle. Not even the bestest of my friends would have the time and endurance for this.

>>729813789
I cleared it in 130 or so with some buddies, but we're huge nerds and we had a lot more time on our hands then.

>>729813789
I ended up playing a solo campaign alongside it and just let everyone else hold the reins.
I ended up being the designated busywork during the plot sequences/pickpocket everyone while they're distracted character

>>729813789
They finish act 1, think "yep, that was a good game", leave a positive review and drop it.

>>729813789
Anon how the fuck?
I've 100%ed the game 3 times (once solo, twice with a friend) and have 182 hours

>>729813789
Rarest achievement I have is from this game doing coop with my buddy. It's when you do all of Act 2 but you keep saying no to the second source point so the game forces it on you.
We got it because we HAD to see every encounter in this game and fuck if we were going to not see what was going on in the demon island just because we happened to like the cemetery mansion guy.

>>729815145
You can still do them even if you take the source points. The source trainers will just tell you "you already know everything I can't teach you anything more" or some bullshit

>>729805223
>armor system is good because all these things you can do to bypass the armor system
excellent point my 105iq friend

>>729791095
What does he mean, he doesn't know why? He changed a bunch of the mechanics in objectively worse ways for no good reason.

This has become one of my favourite games of all time. My biggest criticisms are that it doesn’t do a great job in game of conveying the lore in the artbook and a lot of the quests are very vague and you have to use the wiki a lot to find a random item needed to progress.

DOS and DOS2 are why I never bothered with BG3.
Way too neurodivergent for my tastes.

Should I replay DOS2 or BG3? I've already got several hundred hours in both games but am thinking of doing a modded run.

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>tried dos2 this summer
>neat visuals and builds
>tried different builds for 5 hours or so
>got bored and quit
never left the fort on the island

>>729816863
Why wouldn't you? Any mods in particular you have in mind?

>>729816603
>and you have to use the wiki a lot to find a random item
I don't believe you because the wikis for this game are frustratingly barren

>>729816863
if you havent played dos2 with this mod yet https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1953266629 its an easy choice

>>729805105
Larians system is dogshit. It made most people just force all physical or all magic parties.
And dont give me that "Git gud you can beat the game with mixed teams" yes, when you know EXACTLY whats coming and what skills to get and how to invest your points.
Also, the fix for cheesing half of the game is Larian making every encounter be some kind of an ambush. Lazy dogshit design.
And just like the first game, only first act is good and then the game falls off a cliff.

>>729817113
Yeah the guy just has zoomerbrain and doesn't have the patience to resolve things later. I noticed this when watching zoomies play this. They'll get a quest, and it's phrased like a mystery and "keep a look out" and they'll just immediately go
>bro! I dont know the next step! I'm gonna miss it!
and google it. They don't understand the concept of just taking the game in as it plays out, they have to checklist the quests.

>>729817353
Anon please just git gud you can easily beat the game with mixed teams even if it's your first playthrough and you don't know anything

>>729817353
see >>729800313
I know this is incredibly hard to grasp for some people but a mixed party isn't being punished when there's many encounters that have 5x more of one armor type than the other

Why does every thread have that one autistic anon that defends the game and claims it's hard and that armor is great?

>>729818361
Based troll trying to trick noobies.

>>729818439
>why are franchise warriors mentally ill
who knows

>>729817353
you can easily beat the game with mixed parties you're just gimping yourself for no reason though because the system was conceived by a retarded monkey