Why does West prefer FinalSloppening over Dragon Kino?
>angry>sad>happy>surprised>disgustYou tell us. DQIII~VIII were good, tho.
>>729794332A silent protagonist is preferable over one that talks
>>729794106Do they? FF16 flopped and dragon quest 3 HD sold great.
>>729794106FF has too much romance shit, which panders to more people. Dragon Quest it's mostly about going on an adventure, which doesn't seem to be a popular thing popular in the west.
>>729794106Why would anybody prefer Dragon Quest over Final Fantasy? These 2 series are leagues apart.Dragon Quest is a mundane, ordinary and archaic Jrpg that never changes, Final Fantasy is literally the ONLY AAA Jrpg in the industry.Gameplay, story, characters there is not 1 thing DQ does better than FF other than not changing and remain archaic.
>>729794658FF forces you to experience their garbage stories, literally the worst in the industry and what popularized the stigma of JRPGs having retarded stories. Meanwhile DQ you can just have fun exploring the fun Medieval world at your own pace without bothering with story and stuff.
>>729794475Both work
>>729794106I'm playing 7-3DS for the umpteenth time running an all monster party before they get cut in the remake. Just got my boy Mervyn.
>>729794740DQ literally railroads you with story, you dumb biased nigger, and the writing is worse
>>729794106This game made me viciously hate silent protagonists. No matter what happens, he just stands around with a blank expression like a complete retard.
>>729794106people with a brain love both, rebirth is the best jrpg i have played since Dragon Quest 8 and gives you that similar old school globe trotting feel (DQ11 is very good too but the optional third act kinda ruins it)
>>729794740DQVII has a fetus getting teleported into another womb in the future.
>>729794838>and the writing is worsethe dumb biased nigger outs himself
>Time Travel bad because West says so every time
>>729794106I like both except for the last DQ game with blatant faggotry shoved down our throats.
>>729794952But Sylvando was the best thing about DQ11
We aren't getting DQ12 this year are we...
>>729794952FF16 is the one with unavoidable gay sex in game tho
>>729795030Probably not, we have DQ7 butchered remake tho
>>729794106The Britishness of the Dub filters Burgers
>>729794916>no uNice comeback, mongoloid. DQ is the vanilla of video games. Generic hero from small village saves the world from bad guy. You go through towns with Mario biomes levels of creativity and you get your cliche team.>BUT FFFF is shit for different reasons
reminder childhood friend > other girlsgemma wins.
>>729794332he cute
>>729794332In the 3DS version he has way more emotion to the point he looks like a completely different character.
>>729794658>Dragon Quest is a mundane, ordinary and archaic Jrpg that never changesthese are all positives thoFF changes TOO FUCKING MUCH, it is so tiresome to play these games bc none of them feel like they are part of a franchise.
There was a pretty significant period where SE wasn't localizing DQ games so they had to play catch up
>>729795447Always has been the case, yes
>>729795650>>729794332>>729794106That's just future Trunks
>best girl is your cousin
>>729794106I fucking hate the localization for this game so much that it prevents me from enjoying it
>>729797176>hating fantasy Britainbut that is the main appeal
oi moit wot yew meen boi thaht?that's whyfucking ridiculous horrific dubbing.
>>729794658Final Fantasy is slop and always has been over the 2 and a half decades since FFX. I much prefer Dragon Quest, Xenoblade, Ys, Persona, and Tales.
>>729794106I like both
>>729797297I love how the women sound but I hate how everybody else sounds, still can't you switch to Japanese dub in XI?
>>729795447Loli > Childhood Friend > Big sister
>>729797137
>>729794658Final Fantasy changes too much, and it's so shit that everything they've made this century COMBINED was mogged by Expedition 33, which was the 3rd best game last year. Kingdom Hearts and Final Fantasy are dogshit. Dragon Quest and Octopath are Square's best RPGs.
>best girl is your sister
>>729794106Meh. I've only played two DQ games and both of them I would call pleasant but kind of bland. They are the epitome of generic JRPG which is not even an insult. If you're like:>"Man, I wanna play a traditional turn based JRPG with a cast of characters and walking around the globe going to different towns, etc" Then that is DQ. It has not changed since its inception. It almost feels like a series where you don't need to play each entry and just play one when you're in the mood for a classic JRPG.Final Fantasy had more creative settings to the point where you were playing a game about environmental terrorists in a diesel punk world, then a group of students in floating schools called Gardens have to stop a sorceress, then you have a very traditional fairy tale like setting with 9, the protagonist of 10 is a fucking football player lol.
>>729797137Built for bad-end porn.
>>729794106I prefer Tales.
>>729794496FF16 sold 2.5M in the West alone and 500k in Japan for a total of 3M.DQ3HD sold 1.7M in Japan but a meager 300k in the West for a total of 2M.
>>729797525That's the appeal of Dragon Quest. It's like Disney (or what Disney was before they went woke). You go in expecting the highest possible quality generic RPG imaginable, and that's what you're getting. DQ isn't even less creative than Final Fantasy, it just tries to build a cohesive fantasy world and then populates it with unique towns/areas.
dq is just too bland and uninspired. it's the vanilla ice cream of jrpgs, it's as basic bitch as it gets. final fantasy at least changes things up to keeps things interesting, i know autists hate change so /v/ dislikes that but yeah.
>>729797623FF16 cost several orders of magnitude more to produce than DQ3HD, a remake of a 3 decade old game. Imagine if Capcom released a Mega Man 2 HD remake and it sold only 1 million fewer copies than their newest Resident Evil.
>>729797723But the change in Final Fantasy has never been good, and vanilla became the "bland" flavor because it was so high quality that it became so popular it became the universal "base" flavor of ice cream. Vanilla is the only 18th century ice cream flavor to survive to the modern day
>>729797942the changes can be great. it only got bad with ff13 because they made it a trilogy. ff16 is a good game as well and rebirth is fantastic.even with vanilla, you usually put sprinkles or something on it to spice it up. there are no sprinkles with dragon quest, it's just basic vanilla. not even french vanilla, that's e33 and that's why everyone likes that so much more.
>>729794106DQ and FF can go to hell, give me Octopath 3
>>729797601Xeno > SMT > DQ > Tales > Ys > Persona > Kiseki > FF
I am currently playing DQV on my iPhone. It's pretty kino so far but a bit easy, except for the bosses, I probably never got one on the first try.
>>729798053Hilarious that your #1 is a Final Fantasy 11 knockoff series yet FF is dead last.
>>729794952Sylvia-chan is fine which is not what I was expecting to say going into DQ11, what I hated though was how his "followers" turned to talking and acting like faggots on a dime.
>>729797137Friendly reminder that in most adaptations (like the cd theater, the gamebook and the novelization). The hero's love interest is the princess of Moonbroke.
>>729794106Toriyamas same face ruins Dragon Quest designs
>>729794106Gemma is cute and my wife.
>>729794658Because FF games were only good when Squaresoft made them.Square Enix hasn't made a single FF game that even gets close to Square FF.Sure there is Remake/Rebirth but those are only good because it's based on Square FFLike everything that deviates from VII is just dumb, this isn't about "hurr it's different so it's bad", it's stuff like pacing and writingMeanwhile DQ doesn't change at all, it started as a super casualized version of Wizardry and stuck to it since then.Sometimes you get a decent story though. Also DQ games look pretty good. I didn't even like DQ XI but it's a shame most games can't manage to look like that
>>729798212Xeno has better writing but worse gameplay
>>729798212Modern Final Fantasy is worse than modern Pokemon because at the very least Pokemon retained the fun battling system.
>>729798280Fuck. Forgot to put the image in the right direction.
>>729798236fanboys man, they try to emulate their idol but it doesn't work
I downloaded the Project Rebuild stuff and it looks pretty good. Only (minor) gripe is that the light reflecting off metallic objects feels a little overdone at times. Otherwise it feels like the true definitive edition.
>>729798323Xeno has much better gameplay.
>>729794106Dragon quest has really heavy handed localization that turns off a lot of players.
>>729798323Ehhh you think Xeno has better writing than Chains of Promathia? That plot was so good they recycled it for FF14.>>729798343ZA is literally cooldown based action slop like FF16. Except you 1 shot everything for 90% of the game and it feels like playing some janky mobile garbage. Most Pokemon games feel like janky mobile garbage these days, it's almost insulting to mobile games to be compared to Pokemon.
FFVI is the only good FF gameMeanwhile, DQ has V, VII, VIII, IX, and XI; half of it is extremely good RPGs.
>>729798490ZA is a spinoff game.
>>729794952He's literally just pure flamboyancy. A showman. He just sounds like a faggot.
>>729798541Made by Gamefreak, it's not like Pokopia where it's outsourced to someone else.
>>729798490>Xeno has better writingXenogears and Xenosaga are good stories stuck on a video game with terrible gameplay so it evens out at mediocretier.
>>729794475That used to be the case in western games. Doesn't work as much for linear Japanese titles, especially Dragon Quest and its pseudo-philosophy in letting the players insert themselves as the character when you are forced to play a certain way and even lack the option at fleshing MC's (non-existent) personality.
>>729798639the 2nd disc kinda brings xenogears down anyway. what a waste of potential.
I like both
>>729794106this is legit the worst rpg I've ever played.
What do you guys think of DQ VI? I just started playing the SFC version and I like the whole dream world aspect, the game looks pretty too. Heard DQ VI is basically a prototype for DQ VII, which I also haven't played, so I'm looking forward to the remake.
>>729798770you were supposed to get to the sewer and then quit the game and never play it again anon. that's what I did. fuck that ridiculously slow text speed
>>729798852Haven't played VI yet but VII for the PSX was my introduction to the franchise and I love it.
>>729798852>so I'm looking forward to the remakewhy? the game has not only been released, but also remade already. what are you waiting for? play the ps1 version or you didn't beat the game btw
>>729798852VI is fine. Story and characters are just fine(except Nevan. Fuck that douche.) After DQ4 and 5 though it does seem like a step down and 7 really does improve the class system and general gameplay(except pacing, get ready for the long haul with that one.) But it's still a good game on its own.
IV is my favorite
>>729798958You may be right, but with such a long game I probably will only play it once, and if the remake turns out good it'd be a nice way to play it on a big TV without hassle. Wish I didn't sell my PS One.
>>729795650I had a similar hair style for a while and women LOVED that shit.
>>729799121merry christmas anonhttps://duckstation.org/
>>729798876a lot of older jrpgs have pacing issues, xenogears and dq7 being some of the most egregious examples. if xenogears didn't turn into a fuckin visual novel on the 2nd disc, it'd probably be even longer than dq7. sega had the right idea with the pacing and length for their jrpgs. phantasy star 4, panzer dragoon saga, and skies of arcadia all struck a good balance. those are games with barely any filler, especially panzer dragoon saga.
I haven't played a final fantasy game since xiii, the hallowed halls. I have played some dq since then and theyre great. I happen to like turn based combat. I wish final fantasy would shake the ugly art style problem too. They seem to constantly be trying to rearrange/recreate the final fantasy aesthetic despite it being visual cancer to any sane person.
I like Dragon Quest a lot because I have a belly dancer fetish
>>729794106I don't buy censored games, sorry
>DQsovl>FFNWO goyslop
XII will revive the franchise and make it mainstream in the West because it is going to be edgy
the only DQ i played was 8 back when it originall released on the ps2. i guess that was 20 years ago at this point. i cant tell you minute details but i look back on my playing it extremely fondly and have been meaning to revisit it for years. i remember DQ8 as one of the gaming watershed moments that made me love the medium. do any of the DQs available of Steam have that same magic?
>>729794496>>729797623>>729797761DQ3HD did mediocre for a numbered DQ title in Japan (one being treated as mainline in marketing noless), and basically went back to the DS remake days in terms of western sales.DQ1&2 HD never even crossed a million sales. I think they barely struggled to 500K with Japanese sales, and it had zero western presence.DQVII is also looking to be another big flop. No interest in the west, and already has a lot of hate in Japan over its visuals and cut content.
>>729794658>>729794740>>729796180>>729797398>>729797491>>729798317It's pretty funny that both the people shitting on and defending DQ obviously haven't played any games beyond 11.
>>729798958>the game has not only been releasedDQVII was never rereleased.
All the FFags here should watch this https://youtu.be/vP66XH9oNDM
>>729794106I dont, liked DQ11, not DQ8 levels of great but still good but;DQ11S is more fun as a game then a story, the time ambiguous elements of it really make the story hard to take seriousIn that sense it does suffer from the same issue as FF, reduced quality of cohesive story telling.They said DQ12 would be darker/more mature; if they meant more then DQ11? Great, if they meant more all the other DQ's? MehI am looking forward way more to dq12 then ff17 I will tell you that
>>729797518Agreed
>>729794106holy shit this is one of the worst 4 niggas in a row game
>>729794496Maybe in Japan, but it's not even a contest outside of it. FF is virtually the face of JRPGs outside of Japan and one of the most recognizable IPs even if you've never played the series. DQ's popularity in the west is fairly obscure by comparison.
The fact you can cuck a childhood friend in three separate Dragon Quest games with a female companion you only just met is hilarious. One is fine, two is eyebrow raising, three is just a pattern. Someone over there is based with this reverse-NTR fetish they have.
>>729797176This
>>729800971>The fact you can cuck a childhood friend that is why you never do it
>>729801024I did. Every time I had the chance. Women being cucked is my fetish.
>>729800971It’s not cucking
>>729801109It's the most blatant in V where you are literally choosing between your childhood friend and one (two in the DS remake) other women, and it's clear the childhood friend really wants you to pick her.
>>729800971Only low self esteem retards enjoy cuck shit no matter which direction. Be the cuck self esteem issue to get yourself off, do the cucking self esteem issue attack to raise your self esteem.Basically you outed yourself as a low self esteem loser and retard.
>>729801180Oh no. Whatever shall I do amongst this sea of anonymous posters? And don't blame me, I didn't do it.
>>729800971>if you don't marry Bianca, she never marries anyone elseAnyway I married the do my mommy
>>729801250I find Bianca hilarious because she knew the Hero for like, two days a decade ago and she just clings onto it obsessively. "H-Hey, remember that ghost hunting trip we went on? Remember that? That was fun, right?" and that's all she brings up because it's all they had.
>>729797297>fucking ridiculous horrific dubbing.This is actually the best fucking dubbing. I fucking love reading these accents, and I am saying that sincerely without a hint of sarcasm. The only fuckheads who hate this shit are third-worlder ESLs who can't into accents cause they can't read for shit.Accents are king and I want them in more text-based games full stop. Death to all non-accent faggots who shit up these American boards.
>>729801250I feel slightly bad for Debora since she doesn't even have any pursuers if you don't choose her, but that's a self-inflicted problem if we're being honest. I'm not Captain Save a Hoe.
>>729801654Maybe if she wasn't such a cunt, people would love her.
>>729801069>Women being cucked is my fetishThere's a specific word for that that most people don't know. It's "Cuckquean"
>>729800383there's a 3ds remake you moron
>>729801510I went with her just cause I have a thing for blondes, and I immediately regretted it. Bianca actually treats you really shitty as a wife. If I ever play V again I'm going for literally anyone BUT her.
>>729801872I only played the original version and picked Nera, the truly only good choice.
>>729801936That marriage was devoid of love
>>729801510>Only briefly knew and hung out with her for a couple of days ten years agoCan you even call that "childhood friend"? That's such a lax definition of friendship, holy shit.
>>729802107Bianca sure seems to view it that way, she treats the Hero like they were super close.
>>729802174I can kinda understand her since some people latch on to a distant happy memory if it was one of their most cherished experience in their lives, but official media and much of the fanbase describing her as "the childhood friend" is stretching it, to put it mildly. At least you can make a case for Gemma.
>>729794106Impregnate Gemma
>>729802345I mean what else are you gonna call her?
>>729797176What marks did you get in English\ESL class? How many books did you read in 2025? The illiterate hate DQ's language virtuosity.
>>729802493>That one acquaintance you knew for a couple of days ten years ago
>>729794106DQ was just Ultima but for children. FF was, as well. So the west already had the source that these games were mimicing. FF evolved more into its own identity that gave it attention in the west while DQ stayed pretty faithful to its children's version Ultima. On top of that, Squaresoft released dozens of other successful series in the 90s that helped market all the products while Chunsoft never got the same success as DQ with any other thing they developed.
>>729797297>>729797176So funny how phonetic spelling and literary devices make the ESL dumb-dumbs seethe.
>>729802958>localizer tranny seething no one likes his fanficIt was pretty eye opening playing DQ11 S with Jap dub and english subs because they are don't have any of the fanfic to it. Like playing a completley different game. Like they even changed the name of characters. Reminds me of Robotech
>>729803126The creators of DQ themselves requested for the change
lewd
>>729803126Yes, the English localisation is a high effort remake that is vastly more ambitious and successful than the Japanese original, which aims much lower.
>>729803165He should learn english before making such stupid mistakes. Good thing they fixed it in DQ11 S
>>729803126>>729803304DQ8 doesn't even have a dub in the original Japanese version bro
>>729803213her ass must be huge
All the girls in DQ are property of DB men per Toriyama
>>729803556it's very soft
>>729794496>dragon quest 3 HD sold greatDoes it?I thought /v/ hates hd2d
Suffer
>>729804954Delete this.
>>729800291Why are you expecting games that already have 3 remakes and look like indie games to sell AAA numbers?No one wants more DQ remakes
>>729794658>Dragon Quest is a mundane, ordinary and archaic Jrpg that never changesAnd that's a good thing! Meanwhile, FF has changed so much over the years, that none of the last few mainline games look or feel like FF anymore, FF7 remake included. It feels like a completely different franchise now that is only "Final Fantasy" in name.
>>729798770Xenogears is more finished than 95% of "finished" games
>>729804954posting this webbum should be a bannable offense
>>729798852VI is awesome, it has some of my favorite overworld & travel themeshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxMmYo6vLeQStory-wise it does feel a bit more messy than IV and V, maybe a few extra months of development would've helped. World is massive, hopping between the real & dream worlds is a fun gimmick with tons of places to explore
>>729804954I love this, this is so fucking funny hahahaha
>>729806869I kept getting lost and confused about which world was which.
DQ is stock and safe by design, the devs dont want to mess with success and while that is enough to satiate the japs, other people think its generic and bland.FF as a series takes risks and experiments with its formula every couple of entries, leading to alot of stinkers like 13 and 15 but memorable experiences like the ps1 trilogy and 10.tldr: DQ is more consistent but FF has higher highs
>>729794106the only good DQ was VIII, when are they finally fucking remaking it/porting it over to PC?
>>729794106I married Gemma because I love her.
>>729805542I’m hardly expecting them to do much other than maintain DQ status quo, which they are failing to do.In addition, they are not cheap indie games- these 2DHD titles cost a lot of money and take a lot of time, DQ1-3 took nearly five years to finish, and they recycle a ton of assets.DQVII itself is not going to even be in that style- it’s a fully 3D game of similar scale to the other 3D DQ titles. And it will bomb horribly.
I'm thinking of playing through the whole series after finishing XI. Are the remakes good? Any in particular I should avoid?
>>729808312Wait for Dragon Quest day, pretty good chance they announce a remake of either IV or VIII, I'm of the opinion both are equally likely.
>>729794106I love FF up until 9 and love DQ up to 11. Both series are/have been great.
>>729798236Same. Sylvando was my second favorite character but I couldn't stand his followers.
>>729794106>the girl with the most story content is the loli>you time travel to save her>and she's best girlOk game i'll marry her calm the fuck down.
>>729809069We're getting that VII remaster soon, so I doubt we'll get anything else this year.
>>729808905Generally any version of any game is fine enough, often times it's a trade off. Only things I think are worth mentioning off the top of my head is that if you want to play the HD2D versions of the original trilogy, play III first. If you really want to start with the first game, the NES and SFC/GBC remakes are fine. For IV if you want to play the DS version, you'll want to search for a patch that restores the party chat which wasn't in the original western release. VI is kind of a rough choice, the SFC version has superior aesthetics but a kind of broken fan translation.
>>729797137I didn't like her. She's too abrasive and self-centered. I liked how the party got on together and their interactions with npcs so much more before she joined.
>>729809425Thanks. I'm playing them in japanese, so the translation stuff isn't an issue.
>>729797176I love it except for how the mermaids talk.
>>729809596Their interactions are the same with her or without her to NPCs, she just adds more dialogue of her own. I do agree that it feels like she thinks she's the protagonist or something, which is funny because she's just a cute little girl
>>729796397and king delcadar is just dr. gerotoriyama game designs looking like dragon ball expies isn't exactly news
WHERE IS HER REMAKE?
>>729809846It got one a decade ago, it's called Dragon Quest X.
>>729800971In V the truth is that even Bianca you don't have much connection to.It's funny that the 3DS version of VIII added more and enforced scenes of talking to Medea at the magic spring to reinforce her relationship, and also an alternate ending run away with Jessica who has zero chemistry with the hero during the game and only added as fanservice.
>>729810216the eventual remake for 5 gonna be awesome if they add a lot more like with 2
>>729802925It really didn't help we did not got the games that help split off from the Baby Ultima Game, V and VI. Monster catching and class changing would have been a SLAM DUNK, especially given that FF missed their own class-based RPG with III and V being gone. And they would at least know that they had something since we DID got the GBC DQM games. VII too, but I don't think anyone back then even GOT TO the vocation system, that game really is ungodly long...Enix really did shot themselves in the foot and DQ unfortunately is forced to play catch-up in the zeitgeist, if not the sales.
>>729795387>Nice comeback, mongoloidYou made an assertion without evidence so I just held your own words against you and you took offence.>You go through towns with Mario biomes levels of creativityProve your claim. Point to where specifically the writing goes bad. Dragon Quest traditionally has nuanced and bitter sweet short stories from town to town. They're not generic or "Mario Biome" level
I played DQV every night while rocking my newborn to sleep, and I just didn't like it as much as everyone hyped it up. I didn't really connect with the wives or kids and I didn't like having to hunt for Pokemon. >S3, 8>A4, 11>B5>C1>D1HD, 2Just started 2HD, need to play the rest. Really wish 8 got an HD version instead of another VII remake.
I only like the monster ones. I've played The joker games and dark prince (dark prince was ok but seemed half-assed compared to the joker series). Any more I should play?
>NES eraDQ > FF>SNES eraChrono Trigger > FF > DQ>PS1 eraFF >>>>> DQ>PS2FF > DQ>DS/3DSBravely Default > DQ = FF>PS3/4/5DQ >> FF
dragon quest has sadly never received a good localization.nobody will ever take it seriously when the characters talk like childish demented retards
>>729794106Anime is le bad
>>729801654>>729801774I really hate playing Deborah defense task force but the whole point of her is that she becomes much less of a cunt as the game progresses I can't blame anyone for not picking her though
>>729811985FILTERED
>>729811815You really can't go wrong with picking up any Dragon Quest game released over here (outside of the mobile spinoffs). XI is the most accessible, but you can also pick up any of the HD-2D remakes for a good time (though personally I still think the Super Famicom version of III is the better version). If you play the DS remakes of IV, V, and VI, make sure you pick up the patch that restores the Party Chat function in IV (seriously, we are not joking about how fucked this series' localizations are). V and VI also have monster capturing if you like that (other games like VIII and III HD-2D have similar mechanics but only for the CPU arena, no playable monster units). The remake of VII that is coming will at least be interesting to look at.Think the only game you should avoid as a beginner is IX, and that's only because it is a bit half-empty if you got no friends to play with as it is very MonHun in design. Even then, still a fun dungeon crawler-esque game.>>729812250The variance in how reasonable the accents are is what gets me. Yangus is far from unreadable while someone like Sancho is bordering on /pol/-tier racism. I think even if you like the accents, most people would prefer it if it just stuck with one instead of trying to "personalize" each town and city with a unique one.
>>729811985I'm a fan of the localization
>>729803359They didn't have orchestral music either. Really got the short end of the stick.
>>729794496>FF16 flopped
>>729812553It did lmao. You think a high budget and long sev cycle mainline FF selling only 3 million after several years is a success? You cant be this retarded right?
>>729812502That's cause the Symphonic Suite didn't exist yet, the orchestral tracks come after the initial release. And many tracks are actually medleys, not singular tracks designed to fit on a game OST. You gotta remember how much Sugiyama could be a genuine millstone around the franchise.(also the super saiyan max tension model for the VIII Hero was also a localization, hence its absence in the 3DS remake)This also applies to XI as well, that game lacks both a JP dub and orchestral music in the initial release, mostly because of nostalgia fanservice. I believe XI S was the first time the JP did have both (though of course at graphical fidelity because even in modern times, Square-Enix cannot help but to sabotage this franchise).>>729812553>>729812694We are talking about Square-Enix here, I'm not sure what even THEY would call a success anymore. I'm still floored at them writing off the first Tomb Raider reboot game a flop after selling 3 million.
