>Make Shovel Knight >Become a worldwide phenomenon >Spend the next 11 years wasting that money>Now you're so poor that if you sell at least 200k of your next title then you'll be goodhttps://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/shovel-knight-studio-yacht-club-games-is-make-or-break-and-relying-on-its-next-games-success/Many such cases of Indie Game Devs not knowing how to handle the financial side of things
Smash would've saved them.
Remember when this board threw a shitfit because this irrelevant bum mascot didn't get into Smash. I 'member.
>Shovel Knight sold over 3 million copiesThat's like 15 million copies in Indie Dev termsWhere did all the money go?>Mina the Hollower was originally announced in early 2022, with a Kickstarter campaign raising $1.2 million and an estimated December 2023 release.Sad
>>729825935Fake news! Sad!
>>729826082>That one Bomberman schizo up here who kept saying because he was an AT he was cursed and his franchise became washed up>Same shit happened to Shovel KnightMaybe he was on to something
>>729825832I still don't understand why they didn't make a proper Shovel Knight sequel.
>>729826475The funny part is they were, a 3D Shovel KnightBut it got put on the back burner to make this new Mina game that keeps getting delayed.
they say owning a boat is one of the worst financial decisions you can make.
yacht club is just one of his many nicknames
How the hell did they fuck up their financials so bad? Shovel knight was pretty much an indie darling that sold millions
>>729825832How do we feel about their grill?
>>729827290Something that really fucked them up, they bought a brand new huge office in LA.....right before Covid hitSo they had to basically pay all this money for something they couldn't use
>>729826075>Where did all the money go?It all boils down to mismanagement. They basically had two different teams working on two different projects (mina the hollower and 3d shovel knight), had an expensive office in LA, the project lead for Mina was inexperienced and this caused issues throughout (enough so that they merged the two teams just to finish Mina), and some other details.Keep in mind that the shovel knight DLCs were given out for free to a good chunk of players, so the money pouring in was from the sales of the base game (and later, a price hike for the base game+DLCs), and the few other titles they published (Cyber Shadow, Shovel Knight Dig, Shovel Knight Pocket Dungeon) weren't smash hits either. If I recall, they trended towards mostly losing money with each Shovel Knight DLC release (development of the DLC costing more than the boost in sales afterwards).
>>729827334I was at their emergency garage sale. Nobody bought the grill.
>>729827745>Keep in mind that the shovel knight DLCs were given out for free to a good chunk of players,They probably thought all that good will would mean players would automatically buy their shit in the future
>>729827290Yacht Club was formed because a couple of devs were tired of higher ups shuffling them around to meet deadlines, but as it turned out, those higher ups were keeping them from killing themselves in their own retardation. If SK wasn't as much of a runaway hit as it was, they probably would've went up in flames during the development of the Plague Knight expansion.
>>729825935You mean the Shovel Knight rumors from Smash 4? I don't remember any shitfit.
>>729828290...but they didn't make a new, mainline game.
I remember listening to a SpawnCast episide, (I know, but I have a lot of 6hr drives to do and go through a lot of things) and they had the Yacht Club Games marketing director on there and she kept about anti-consumer this and that and I found it really weird since they put out a demo that was only available for a limited amount of time. Seemed kind of hypocritical
>>729828453They were in the process of making one in 3d, but Mina's development woes (and money running out) meant they had to put all hands on Mina instead.
>>729828290Why would Plague of Shadows fans play Mina? Those guys want to fly across the screen with speedrun tricks that don't exist in rat game.
>>729828479Never listen to words, always see their actions
>>729825832>Many such cases of Indie Game Devs not knowing how to handle the financial side of thingsYes, but they are not entirely to blame when many indie games in the past were very successful because they went viral, and only because of that. It's like the young YouTuber who makes a music video that goes viral and the clueless parents think their son can become a superstar, only to spend all their money launching a useless career.Shovel Knight is a decent game, but that's about it. It went viral and was hugely successful, but it was never more than a competent, average game. The developers' mistake was thinking they were making more than an average game.This happens with pretty much all indies from the 2000s and 2010s. There are a few exceptions, such as Hollow Knight, but not many others.
>>729828553Is there any detail about why they chose Mina over Shovel Knight 3D?Feels like one is safer to release over the other, since SK is an already established seriesI guess the cost of making each games but still curious of anything was said about that
>>729828748Because Mina had a kickstarter campaign, and was closer to completion, presumably. How far along the 3D Shovel Knight is we don't know.
In the span of a few years they went from people begging for Shovel Knight in Smash to "Who?"
>>729825832They had to spend years making all the content that was promised from the Shovel Knight kickstarter stretch goals and they weren't making money from that. Victims of their own success
>>729828982I would've happily paid for the DLCs myself, but hard to argue with the price of free.
>>729825832it's the telltale effect>be small indie company (unironically)>make a hugely successful game>convince yourself you are now one of the big guys>take on retarded expenses you can't afford>go underit's like how a lot of lottery winner go bankrupt because they don't know exactly how much money they actually have
>>729825832good
>>729829310Why do companies announce they're donating, just donate and move on you don't need brownie points
>>729828727shovel knight was pretty unique and high quality for an indie game. don't forget the indie scene was MUCH different, something of that quality was rare back then
>>729828982The issue is that they feature creeped the expansions to hell and back and essentially made them free for everyone when they could've easily just only made it free for backers. They're not a victim of success, just stupidity.
>>729829420>UniqueEven in 2014 it was just a pixel NES gameBut it did have high quality I'll give you that
>>729825832>"unless their next game sells 500k">"sell at least 200k"Hitting that schizo resolution early, I see.
>>729828553>in the process Bro it’s been 11 years. They’ve had enough time to make like 4 sequels by now
>>729828748Shovel knight is clearly not close enough to launch for their burn rate.
>>729829372Receiving accolades from their peers is the most important thing in the world to leftists, bar none.
>>729829503It filters out retards like you who don't read the article>200k will be considered ok for them >500k means they won't have to worry anymore
>>729829372>why company virtue signalBecause otherwise you wouldn't hear about it?
>>729829529They pretty much have. There's a new game with each characters. There's the Mr Driller Shovel Knight series. The Shovel Knight DX isn't out yet which is all 5 games remastered.
>>729829589A shame>>729829620People who weren't going to buy their games isn't suddenly going to when they learn they donated to BLMDespite whatever ResetEra says
>>729825832Shovel Knight was much like Braid. Successful for the novelty of being an indie game in the public eye during a time when indies weren't completely normal. It wasn't a bad game, but there are thousands of other indie side-scrollers of the same quality. It wouldn't raise five dollars on Kickstarter today.
Toby Fox and Team Cherry are prime examples of how to move forward when you have a successful indie hit>Ride the success of that for a little bit >DON'T BLOW YOUR FUCKING MONEY>Stay small, don't make a lot of noise, and move on to make the next game in your seriesSimple as.
I was going to try out Shovel Knight in 2014 but one of my friends said "DUDE THIS GAME IS BETTER THAN EVERY NES GAME EVER MADE!" and that just put me off from ever playing it.
>>729829935It's good. More people have played it than Megaman and Duck Tales NEShttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywaT65aXoq8
>>729829529>shovel knight (base game) in 2014>plague of shadows in 2015>spectre of torment in 2017>king of cards in 2019And then a couple of spin-offs (Dig in 2022, Pocket Dungeon in 2021). Mina the hollower's kickstarter was in 2022, and was slated for release Halloween 2025 but they decided to do additional round of polishing at the last minute.We don't know when the 3D shovel knight entered development, and how far along it is. It's just when they did that interview and explain their money situation, that was basically the first official confirmation that 3D shovel knight was even in the works (dunno if it was mentioned anywhere else before).
>>729830072>>plague of shadows in 2015>>spectre of torment in 2017>>king of cards in 2019Exactly. Those are sequels in Treasure Trove, not just skins
>>729830185Or prequels I should say
>>729829865Didn't Toby Fox hire a pedophile groomer
>>729830185I guess there could be some argument that they play differently enough from Shovel Knight himself, when someone might want just more of the blue guy with the shovel.I just want more Plague and Spectre. King is fine too, but I just don't like Shovel or his campaign anywhere near as much as the others.
>>729825832Did you post the Anon edit for it being sexo?The mark that looks like a eye isn't supposed to be there. i think...
>>729830371Porn addled brain
>>729829773You're right, but these "people" (the kind who think that some nigger who pointed a loaded gun at a pregnant woman is some kind of saint) think that they need to signal boost this bullshit because that way other people will donate to these jewish-owned (((charities))).
>>729830290Who cares? I mean, I guess you Zoomers and leftists do but if they make a good game idgas
>>729829773Maybe they fishing for VIPs to support them/network?
Generally going for one big sequel like 4-8 years after the OG is better than rushing out several smaller games or DLCs marketing-wise. And these "big" sequels don't even have to be good, or anything new. Darkest Dungeon 2, Cities Skylines 2, Kerbal Space program, all of those are arguably worse than their original but still sold really well. It sucks buts that's how it is. Just having that 2 at the end of the title makes them sell even if they're shit.
>>729829310>donated money to have thugs bailed out so they can torch more buildingsDon't these guys just make shitty pixel games?
>>729829529>>729830072They didn't dev the spinoffs. Only publish. >>729830290Probably. Furries, am I right?
>>729830794>They didn't dev the spinoffs. Only publish.Yeah, but they still presumably financed the development, did marketing and other things. So it's not entirely free of cost to them.
>>729826075They had an office in the most expensive part of california.
>>729825832The only shovel knight game I enjoyed was Shovel Knight Dig and that wasnt made by them.
>>729829935Your friend sounds obnoxious and I don't blame you buy he's arguably right
>>729825832I bet they wish they hadn't thrown away money to the BLM grifters now. Nah who am I kidding, virtue signaling above all.
>>729825832I mean is there even a difficult thing for them?They'll get shilled by YouTubers and what few journos that are still relevant and will probably get front page on Steam when it comes out. They just have to actually get the fucking game out which seems to be the biggest challenge here
>>729825832Yacht club?Steam isn't going under any time soon.
>>729827745>had an expensive office in LARenting this space was at least 50% of all their expenses, probably significantly more.
>>729832618Morale is importantIf they didn't have that space with thousands of dollars in other wasteful expenses the staff would be sad :( and they wouldn't be useless as goodly
>>729826347Damn, did bomberman kill his dog or something?
>>729832618It's ocean adjacent, hollywood adjacent, hollywood adjacent. And the part of the ocean with a goddam amusement park next to it. They had an ocean view and a balcony where they grilled shit.
>>729826347>Maybe he was on to somethingThe difference between a schizo and a visionary is only a few years
>>729825935Shovel Knight is still cool, even if the studio behind him bungled it worse then Sonic Team.
>>729832746>Morale is importantWhy would you go to LA for moraleThere are a hundred nicer places in California alone
>>729833310LA sucksThe kind of people who go into the gaming industry sucksThey were right at home with the other mentally ill fucks
>>729829310>can we have that 20,000 back
>>729825832Good.Fuck nigger worshippers.
All these guys had to do was make a dedicated Plague Knight game, they let gold slip through their fingers.
>>729830498Looks like i forgot to turn the projector off.
>>729825832Nothing of value lost. Shovel Knight was a bad game.
I never bothered to play through the shovel knight expansions
>>729834137The first two were pretty fun and a good way to revisit the games mechanics. I'll always be angry that the warioland style treasure knight one never won and I never bothered pirating a version that had the king dlc because it took so long for them to actually get it out so I cant say one way or another
>>729827334Very expensive.
>>729825832>wait for yacht club to go bankrupt>buy their assets>sell everything except plague knight and mona>make the game we deserve about uncle ted the manlet and his hot green amazon wifei'm playing the long game
>>729832618Didn’t double fine have an expensive office too?Fuckers stole my space base df9 money
>>729827334"SmOkIn' some MeAtS" - Mark Zuckerberg
>>729834603SEXOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>729827334why should I save a grill I have no steak on?
>>729834609yeah, DF are in san francisco, sniffing their own farts.
>>729834752hell yeah motherfucker
>>729825935They should have signed that Wii U exclusivity deal. In Japanese culture, a sign of loyalty is rewarded and disloyalty is punished.
>>729834894>Locking yourself to the Wii UYou're not cut out for business.
>>729826347what a bizarre edited tweet
le pseudo retro art because you are lazy and don't want to make actual art assetsboring as hell it makes sense if your a tiny indy dev w/ no money but if you get rich and still put 0 effort into making good assets im not gonna buy your shit
>>729834137I played the spectre knight one because it came out with the Switch 1 launch. That and the launch of the original game were the only times I was even aware of Shovel Knight
>>729833658>bomb mixing and rocket jumping in 3DThe fucking GOLD WAS RIGHT THEREAND THEY MISSED IT
>>729834137King Knight's is unironically one of the best platformers in years. Shorter and more varied levels is the key along with goofy but fun items. only retards get filtered by Joustus
>>729832169No one gave a shit about the demo they released, which is why they indefinitely delayed the full version like two weeks before its planned release date. They're washed.
>>729832134>"We're $20,000 closer to ending racism!"
>>729832169You say this but remember the Sonic Mania Devs? Praised to heaven and back for being the second coming back in 2017.Then a few years later their next game came out and it flopped hard. Journalists and YouTubers ignored it.Truth is people don't care.>>729832254Oh you...
>>729835462Yeah Mina looks really unimpressive honestly. Journos gush over it but it's not convincing. Pixel art indies aren't special anymore and we're getting indies who are going all out with SNES and even Saturn level fidelity. GBC was a bold choice to limit themselves to
>>729835691Penny looks fucking ugly is why. What the fuck are those eyes?
>>729833691It's a logo and your first thought was "WOAH IS THAT A SEXUAL EDIT SOMEONE MADE?"
>>729835691Penny's big penny's
>>729834603>Yatch Club sells their assets >343 Industries buys Plague KnightGG
>>729835812>>729835825Pls don't bully Penny
>>729835812And Mina looks like a dude despite allegedly being female. No wonder no one gives a shit about it.
>>729835691I'm convinced Penny was sabotaged from the inside by that psycho bitch zionist who destroyed skullgurls
>>729831385Correct. My question is more about what the fuck the dev team has been doing all these years.>>729835691Visual design fucking matters.
>>729836312Wouldn't be surprised if it was her idea to make le ebin strong diverse wahmyn protagonist. Hope they don't hire her for their next game.
>>729835691>5 actual videos>Everything else is an OST dumpTalent does not exempt people from the social media game. Now if only Yacht could learn that lesson.
>>729835813Actually you thought that, i thought back to the thread where the anon did a funny edit.
>>729825832That boat has a very smug face.
>>729833572Uh oh
>>729825832>successful kickstart>smashing hit at launch>have to make playable npc DLC as promised>DLC expands in scope to the point it's a game with more content than base gameSneedsong:>balance your budget responsibly>stay afloat 7 years making a game everybody is awaiting>Team Cherry simply sold the new game by the same price as og HK, only the backers get it for free.>Smashing hit, collect millions moreShovel Knight:>Yatch Club increased the price of SK by 10 bucks with each update after Plague, but still free to ALL owners>smashing hit, but everybody already bought SK so you're mostly giving them away for free.>spend 5 years making DLCs that aren't bringing in much cash>spend money on woke shit>spend the next 6 years making another game that nobody's awaiting>start running low on money because you're incompetent>Rather than finish your new game and launch it, decide to re-launch a Director's Cut of Shovel Knight to make money>feature creep that shit too, delay itYou get what you fucking deserve
>>729836936Are you a lefty? Cause they're the only ones who think if you say something it becomes true like we can't just go back and fact check
>>729837417>>balance your budget responsiblyI don't even know if they necessarily balanced the budget, so much as none of the people involved being reliant on the game or any related salaries or whatever.
>>729828876Fame is fleeting after all but man, the video game industry is particularly forgetful.
>>729825832>wokies going brokiesDoes that mean I can claim Mina after they go under
How bad did they missmanage Mina's development? There's no way the SK spinoffs burned money
>>729835691Sonic is half vibes, half gameplay, SPECIALLY CLASSIC SONICNo vibes, no buy
>>729838383All we know is that the guy who got promoted to lead Mina's development wasn't up to the task, and this one way or another led to slower decision making, and presumably slower development. Enough so that the other team (working on 3D Shovel Knight) had to be brought to help Mina along. And now the game is basically complete and can be played from start to finish, but they decided to delay release to polish it up more.Any more details are basically speculation, and we'd need the developers to open up about it.
>>729838180Mina, particularly her GBC design is completely fucking generic. Go make shit now.
>>729835691This is the first time I hear of this game
>>729825832Based. Fuck them niggas, their only real gave is Shovelware Knigga, a generic indie platformer but with the gimmick of having to spam the shovel attack to collect coins and destroy obstacles. BORING!
Why does Yacht Club need a fucking marketing director?
>>729825832Should've realized Shovel Knight and it's DLCs were lighting in a bottle.
This is a bit awkward since I recall, not long ago, they were boasting about their success and financial transparency despite admitting the cyber shadow game flopped. They were acting like they had it all figured out.
Mina the Hollower has to sell 200k or they're fucked. Well RIP in pieces bros. Your games are mid anyways
>>729839194Cyber Shadow seemed to get a decent paycheck of its developer from an Xbox gamepass deal, so there's that.
>>729830371I'm the anon who made that edit, because vehicles are sexually attractive to me.The implied face was always there in the logo, I only added two small, cute details.Also, other anon is a casual.
>>729839394Be fair. Very few can stand up to your boatfucking power level.
>>729839496Tile fucker, boat fucker, what's the difference?
>>729825832Maybe you shouldn't have your pixelslop indie studio headquarters in an expensive LA neighborhood.
>>729839394I want to keep this boat afloat
>>729839354They need to sell 200k or else they won't be able to breathe and their ship sinks
>>729835894the Halo guys?
>>729838180short hair sexo
Does /v/ even like Shovel Knight? I heard it was hard enough to filter people.
>>729840307/v/ used to, at least. If you asked 10 anons which knight expansions were better/worse than the base game you'd get 11 different answers.
>>729828748Probably because making a 3D game is much harder and the team is mostly experienced in 2D.>>729830290Are you talking about Samael or Shayy?Toby Fox didn't hire either of them.>>729836312Isn't she involved with Yacht Club too?I vaguely recall hearing that somewhere as well as her getting involved with DELTARUNE.Bitch gets around. That lawsuit can't come soon enough.
>>729829310>Donated to allowing criminals back out on the street to rob and killFuck them I hope they go bankrupt and spend the rest of their days toiling at mcdonalds
>>729834894>In Japanese culture, a sign of loyalty is rewarded and disloyalty is punished.Lmao he actually believes this.
>>729840412>I vaguely recall hearing that somewhere as well as her getting involved with DELTARUNE.she was hired for 'additional art' for deltarune
>>729840349Specter Knight: Very fun movement and the best bosses in the game. So fun it's kind of squandered on the platforming.Plague Knight: Playing around with shot types is fun and adds depth to the combat, but can become serious menuing gore. Suffers from a big case of "you can only have fun with the platforming on your second run after you know in advance which cycles you can bomb jump through."King Knight: Haven't played yet but I heard it's Gwent but with more gacha.Honestly Shovel Knight's biggest overall flaw is the Dark Souls bloodstain mechanics which is insanely frustrating to combine with challenging instakill platforming, even if the game is ultimately balanced around you dropping tons of gold.
>>729840218YepThe guys who raped Halo since 2011 and recently raped Metroid
>>729840605king knight is Wario Land complete with shoulder bash and shorter levels
>>729825832Good
>>729825832Make another 2D Shovel Knight and reuse assets from the first. I will only charge the low, low price of $1000 for this financial consultation.
>>729840870What did they do to you? Made cause they're successful? Hater
>>729829461Would have sucked, but I'd be fine paying for them since I did enjoy them.
>>729829310>could have just said they support Black Lives>could have kept that 20kThey're an indie company, no sane person would have told them to pony upt. black anon.
>>729840996Even better, just use AI to make all the assets "16-bit".
>>729829310deserved
>>729828290I plan on buying their games in the future. The problem is THEY'VE ONLY RELEASED ONE GAME.
>can't make a zelda gameboy clone with a million dollarsfuck em, they deserve to go under
>>729841021They contribute to the corruption of society and must be punished
>>729841136Leftists are insane bro all it takes is one looney troon looking for attention to start a witch hunt. Not to mention 2020 is when that shit was in overdrive
>>729841021>successful>can't even finish a GBC game without going overbudget>has to put out puff pieces begging everyone to buy their game or they will die
Coasting for 10 years on one game is rather impressive.
>>729840996They literally made 3 shovel knight sequels. We've been talking about them itt. Yet nobody knows they exist
>>729835691Don't care too much for Penny's look and the other characters didn't catch me. Environment wise, it all looks samey, like there's one main color and everything follows that. Hell, they could have made it as colorful as Toy Kingdom from Sonic Advance 3. I'm looking right at a longplay, jumping around the video, and the only world that honestly looks different from the rest Pengoville, which is world 7 of 11. At least the Special Stages look cool.Mind you, I didn't like Sonic Frontiers for doing this as well.
Wait so shovel knight sold 3 million but they have no money? They got another 1.5million on kickstarter for this new game, but they're still in dire straits? Don't get me wrong I liked shovel knight a lot, but how the fuck are they so deep in the hole lol? What's costing them so much? Are they paying a pixel artist 100k a month or something? What could possibly be consuming this much fucking money? Are they just paying 50 people a salary for no reason? Cause if they did have this many employees and they were working, this game wouldn't be delayed for years, it's a fucking 2d game for fucks sake these aren't exactly technically challenging to make.
>>729841304>>729841413Oh yeah u def a hatter hahahaah
>>729825832Where's the new release date for Mina?
>>729841735Here's a fun fact. One million isn't anything in the world of business.
>>729825832How is it taking this much time and money to make a fucking Gameboy Color game?
>>729841252ZOINKA
>>729841374>Not to mention 2020 is when that shit was in overdriveOh for sure>hey yeah, I don't think that guy should have had the fucking knee on him, but can we NOT burn down business that have nothing to do with this?But that's talk for another thread.
>>729841778Here's a fun fact you retarded tripnigger, it is when all you need to make a game is 2-3 devs and a pixel artist and maybe a sound guy
>>729828345they didn't pay their staff for 5 months to finish Shovel Knight. Their management is retarded.It's becoming commonly accepted knowledge to not listen to people who succeeded in indiedev before 2020 on how to succeed. The gaming landscape has changed too much and you need to be significantly more intentional with development time. So many successful indie devs of 2010s are flopping in the 2020s.
>>729841760It was supposed to be October 31st 2025Then it got delayed and nothing since
>>729825935Waluigi or Crash have always been my votes for Smash, so I'd have no idea.
>>729825832Let this be a lesson that nobody really needed. Don't spend years adding a bunch of shitty freeware into a $5 game. You actually need to make vidya on a reliable cycle or even a series as large as Final Fantasy will lose audience.
>>729841874>It was supposed to be October 31st 2025>Then it got delayed and nothing sinceNo shit, why do you think I'm asking?
>>729841831lmao
>>729829310Wow... I don't even know how to process this. If only there was a there was an kind soul who could draw Mina getting gangbanged by multiple Meowkies (Pink Cat) and Goro (Red Boss Cat), behind a jail cell while Mappy ignores said commotion.It will help me understand this situation. Sketch is fine.
>>729841983Shit, they could have just cashed out. That's what I would do if I made millions of dollars off an indie game. Why make another one? Just sail off into the sunset, live a comfy life.
>>729842143they'd be out of money within 5 years
>>729842071>You, a retard "WHEN IS THE NEXT RELEASE DATE">Me "Still don't have one.">You, still a retard "DURRRR WHY HE NO ANSWER MY QUESTION DURRRRR!!!!!"
>>729828479>be staunchly pro-comsumer>make no moneya tale as old as time
>>729841831Todd tier re-hashing
>"We're going to become a publishing company!!!!">Only publishes two games, 5 years apart from each other, over a ten year period>"OH NO, WE'RE OUT OF MONEY!"what was the game plan here
>>729842548In the end, you kinda need to jew it up a lil' bit
>>729842570>Amazon Fire TV Edition SkyrimDon't give him ideas
>>729842537You didn't just say "Still don't have one", you tried to explain to me why there's no date.
>>729825832>Be indie studio>Make ultra hit>Spend the next fucking decade jerking off in your overpriced new offices because you want to avoid le crunch and le mental health deficits caused by doing literally any work>"WTF WE'RE GOING BANKRUPT!?"Many such cases
I don't have much hope for them desu. Mina doesn't really stand out amongst the hundreds of other pixel art games that get released every week. And they don't really have any brand recognition anymore
So is the moral of the story that sometimes the soulless business suits who crack their whips behind you and force you to grind out the product sometimes are there for good reason?
>>729842619>what was the game plan hereMy only guess here is that someone in the team lived in LA who couldn't do online meetings so they had no other choice but to rent a office there so the team could work together and finish the game i guess.
They're really fuckin idiots lmfao
https://youtu.be/rYtehZzW208?si=eVTAF-UV5mIxovFU
>>729842758Oh no poor anon is retarded
>>729842828Yes actually
Just imagine the years of salary some cunthole made coming to work for them doing nothing and the most important part of their work day was figuring out whats for lunch. Its a nice gig
>can't even crack a 100k on the official channel Yeah it's over for em
>>729843026rest in piss
>>729841735They live in commiefornia and they gave away 20K to Burn Loot Murder
>>729841831Pocket Dungeon isn't DLC or a re-release thoughbeit
>>729839394holy based
>>729843026Game might be good but its not giving me saves the company bibes
>>729841735>Are they just paying 50 people a salary for no reasonDing Ding Ding!
>>729843165Yeah I saw that mistake after I posted whoops
>>729843192the absolute gall of these faggots to beg for money when they're giving out literal no-work jobs like in the mafia
>>729841831>lived 14 years off the success of a single gamehonestly pretty good gig
>>729826941Its true. Only thing worse is maybe an experimental plane.You basically chase repairs and general motor maintenance netting into the thousands yearly. It only gets worse depending on your hobby attached to the boat too. Fishermen will spend upwards of 12k getting gear they think will make them better at the hobby because another dude told them it would.t.has a brother who is making this exact same terrible investment atm
>>729843472>like in the mafiaWell, BLM was just the modern version of the Italian-American Civil Rights League
>Spend the next 11 years wasting that moneythey didn't waste the money. they shot themselves in the foot because they were obligated to make a shit ton of DLC because of the kickstarter stretch goals. That's what they've been doing this entire time
>>729843660They weren't obligated to feature creep the shit out of each expansion, nor were they obligated to make it free for everyone.
no... my mouse wife can't be doomed
They supported BLM. They're on /v/'s blacklist.
>>729843660>Charges $5 per DLC unless you're a backerWhoa look at all that INCOME
>>729843742I think there might have been some obligation about making three of the knights playable since it was a stretch goal iirc, but I dunno how it was worded in the kickstarter campaign itself.
>>729843846>>729843742>nor were they obligated to make it free for everyone.>>Charges $5 per DLC unless you're a backer
>>729843846ANON THAT'S ANTI-CONSUMER!!1!
>>729843742>>729843660Yeah they're retarded and have no idea how to manage projects. How the fuck do you go into dev hell over a game boy color game. >>729843757>over 200 posts before the first coomer postMina is cooked
>>729843890you retard, anon was suggesting that as a solution, they didn't charge anyone
>>729825832>our company's survival depends on mina the hollower not flopping horriblyRIP yacht club
>>729826941The happiest days of a boat owner's life are the day he brings it home and the day he sells it.t. every single fuckin' boomer at the marina
>>729825832Stretching the profits of 1 game to coast for 11 years sounds like they know how to handle the finances just fine
>>729843026Sex with Thorne until I contract covid :)
>>729843774Toby gave money to bail BLM thugs as well
>>729844273literally why
>>729841735They bought a big fancy office JUST before covid hit and they didn't even get to use it.
>>729844331isn't he jewish
>>729830072who cares about these? didnt most people just play the base game? why do you make a card dlc for a platformer? Seems like a pretty bad bussiness choice
>>729833226>bungled it worse then Sonic Team.Not even close and you know itI think Yacht CLubs issue they said they consider Shovel Knight to be "everyone's" character which is why they let just about anyone use him as a guest character but considering their current situation they probably should have more royalties.
>>729843774But /v/ donated to them
>>729839354200k at like 30$ when their latest trailer has 114k. Its so over for them
>>729825832The ninja Mega Man game they made was pretty fun
>>729843846I wasn't a backer and I didn't pay a single cent after the initial purchase.
>>729828479Celia Bee is one of the most jewish people on the industry, literally has an ig called >koshergamer , also doesnt buy consoles because she has "won" every single one and of course doesnt buy games. i use the spawncast as background noise and has gotten worse since ms israel came in.
>>729844980Nope. This was one of the more saner places calling out what amounts to be the biggest grift of our time.
>>729845363>>729843991
>>729845414luv me a woman built like a trusty P-38
>>729825935>Remember when this board threw a shitfit because this irrelevant bum mascot didn't get into Smash.No.
>>729843742I remember it being mentioned that they unexpectedly stumbled into further success with the DLC formula for Shovel Knight because adding in this extra content they wanted and building on the game kept it relevant news-wise in the indie sphere and kept bringing new customers to the base game.Maybe they legit didn't know what to actually do after spending so much time "finishing" Shovel Knight.
>>729827290>How the hell did they fuck up their financials so bad?Gave all their money to blm for good boi points.
>>729829372https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75KgJorryA0
Shovel Knight has no cultural value
>>729836312>destroyed skull girlsWhat? I need to know everything about all this. I know this game got cucked and censored but who is this demon woman running indie games??
>>729846684It wasn't just one person (if only). Half the team was a pit of vipers and snakes who stabbed both Alex (he sued them btw) and Mike (also suing!) in the back. Watch Technicals videos on it if you want all the sordid details.
>>729825832Hope they make some shit people actually want to play, rather than some woke pixel shit that journalists won't play but say is amazing.
>>729838180the enchantress owes. me. SEX.
>>729844892I'm surprised they never did a crossover game with Cadence from Crypt of the NecroDancer. Both games have awesome songs and both love to change up gameplay with every new game
>>729846851Journalists aren't even saying the game is amazing, it's beyond over
>tranny knight devsgood I hope they all end up homeless >haven't posted this since like 2016 neat
kek
>>729846804>Search him up>Clickbaity title with the stupid "put your face over half the thumbnail"Eh....I'm good
>>729848005>Duuuude look at how Mega Man only has one female robot haha that's so sexist!Are these people fucking 12? That's the type of shit an 8th grader would say as a joke
>>729842847So the whole dev team fucked themselves for one dude who wouldn't leave his flammable apartment?
>>72984800580s games weren't that sexist. Maria was better than Richter in 10 different ways
>>729842828no, the moral of teh story is stop moving to fucking CaliforniaNotch did itSony headquarters did itnow Yatch Club games did itIts cursed fucking land for a reason!
>>729848618They didn't move to CA. Yacht Club was former WayForward devs, which means they already lived in LA.
>>729845117Cyber Shadow? That was only published by Yacht Club Games.
>>729825832GET WOKE GO BROKE YACHT CLUBHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>729848014>>729848014That's not his face, that's Mike Zaimont's face.He also goes over most of the chatlogs, receipts, court case files, etc. so it's a pretty thorough investigation. Though if you REALLY don't wanna listen then I'm pretty sure you can google the court case files with Mike suing them. They should be floating around.If you insist on a tl:dr:>well meaning aspergers tard with poor social skills surrounds himself with vipers>they become more and more malcontent, disagreeing with every choice for the studio, pitching new projects (which they then grumble about having to work on, etc.)>Start having private get-togethers talking about plans>aspergers retard puts his foot in his mouth on stream and then everyone starts coming out with stories of "he was toxic...he raised his voice a little before the deadline...he gave me an unsolicited hug during celebration night..." and ruins his reputation and career, even getting him fired from another company too.>Also bullies Alex Ahad out of the company, to the point that he confesses he felt alone and isolated (he sues them and forces a settlement).There's way more to it then that, back and forth with a lawyer, one of the guys who complained about Mike later came out and reversed his story, etc. etc. Moral of the story is never trust a big happy progressive family those dude will EAT eachother.
>>729848754I wonder if the WF devs were seething that SK got in Smash, in the base version of the game, long before their genie bimbo got any type of representation
why would a pixelshit indie dev scale up to make a 3d game anyway
>>729843026>from the creators of shovel KNIGHT, we present My OC Furry WaifuWho the fuck thought this was a good idea?
It's insane how much leftists bullied us in the past 10 years
>>729848975I don't remotely care about any of this, but I do remember that this drama taught me that I want to have sex with that Asian girl who works there.
>>729849163Shantae got a spirit and a Mii outfit in Ultimate thoughbeit
>>729849419Example A of how that bitch worms her way in.
>>729827745That is depressing, even if you literally got the "thunder in a bottle", you can lose it all just because you were retarded.
>>729849606It goes to show you the (unfortunate) importance of bean counters in creative endeavors. Their value comes from their ability to act as tard wranglers for creatives. Look at how poorly managed all of Double Fine's projects were after they stopped using major publishers like Majesco and Activision.
>>729849419why'd you ask for a rundown then. Now I just feel silly, sad, and betrayed
>>729849865That wasn't me who asked for a rundown. I just remembered that one girl who worked on Skullgirls who was hot.
>>729849837>>729849606Oh, or if you want the ultimate example of why bean counters are necessary: Chris fucking Roberts.
>>729825935I don't because this board always wants to see everything fail.
>>729841831The other game Nitrome is doing the heavy lifting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_AUhsbHhRA
>>729825832I enjoyed Cyber Shadow, but did they make anything else? There's the shovel knight DLC, but that was free right?
>>729828748Probably because 3D is harder, and Mina was a Kickstarter so they'd get a shitton of lawsuits/class action if they tried to bail. judging from their money woes they can barely pay out one.
>>729841853I exclusively listen to /agdg/ indiedevs and proto-/aggdg/ indiedevs like notch on how to succeed, and that means selling out as hard as you possibly can. Not a single non-4chan dev meets the same level they do. This place is for the elites.
>>729844780I didn't play King of Cards because my Wii U's gamepad died by the time it came out but Plague of Shadows is as good as the base game (arguably a more fun moveset but it also breaks the game a little) and Spectre of Torment is a completely different game with ground-up new level design and a new OST, and it's great
>>729825832Shovelware Pixelshitght was not any kind of "le phenomenon".
>>729830290As long as Toby Fox keeps putting out bangers he could hire a serial killer who has already killed 10,000 people and I would not care.
>>729829935It's a fine game, but I wouldn't say it's better. It just straight up takes elements from far better games and mashes them together, but not to the point that it gets its own identity.This is just for the base game. Not any of the DLC follow ups which I heard play radically different, but I didn't care for SK enough to try them.
>>729852526Specter Knight and King Knight get completely differently levels, and they all play differently. Plague Knight while he also has a completely different moveset, his levels are basically Shovel's again, more or less.
>>729836027Mina would look fine if they JUST gave her feminine eyelashesTwo lines, simple MS Paint edit, is all you need to make the design work
>>729852728If you don't like it, don't play it. They didn't make this game for people like you.
>>729843026>HOLLOWer>shovel KNIGHTTotally not chasing trends here!
>>729835691>Journalists and YouTubers ignored it.Absolutely not. You're wrong about this, and that's what makes Penny's failure even funnier. Those retards had the entire press jacking them off weeks before the game launched. Penny had a front and center headline article on almost every major site. Digital Foundry had an entire video dick sucking them before launch. Everyone was going on about the new hot game by the team that made Sonic Mania. You would think now would be the perfect time to drop a release date annoucement for the game.Nope, they stayed quiet about the game's release date, just like they've stayed quiet the entire time the game was in development. They made 0 attempt at an actual marketing campaign for the game. I don't know if it was out of sheer incompetence or they were just sniffing their own farts off their success with Mania, but they did nothing to promote the game. You can make the argument that "why would Sonic fans play a non-Sonic game?", but the problem is that they did nothing to attract ANY audience. They just shadow drop their game and the annoucement was buried in the middle of a Nintendo PARTNER Direct at 6am on the same day that Elden Ring Expansion got its annoucement. Game finally comes out and barely anyone knows shit about it or cares because of how secretive the fuckers were. They must have really thought shit like >>729836442 and Mania recognition alone would carry them.
>>729852728Yeah without em she looks like a he
>>729852907>Yacht Club announced shutdown of all future projects
They probably should be advertising their new game then. I GENUINELY thought the mouse was from a 2D furry porn game like that Anubis one.
>>729852927Considering how long ago Shovel Knight was released yeah safe to say they aren't
>>729825935I'm sorry, I don't speak niggerbabble.
>>729826347No you weren't.
>>729843026>Shove Knight LIVE!Honestly don't remember a singke track in Shovel Knight being good enough to justify such an event.They really were beating that horse dead
>>729832826No, the dog killed him.
>>729830290Toby is the pedophile groomer. The tell-all google doc drops a week from now.
>>729853047um they literally rip off of hollow knight doe?
>>729839618Quite a bit! Vehicles are romantic. They have curves. Motive power. Their own romance. Cars the movie and Thomas the tank engine are huge for a reason.Tiles are far more abstract. They teselate. They have texture, and a very concrete feel to them with the grout and glaze. They really don't have a shape in the same way.t. No longer faps to humanoid forms anymore.
>>729830290Yes, jews hire their own.
>>729849419That asian pussy you're chasing was responsible for the downfall. Be careful anon, you could get cancelled next.
>>729830524>if they make a good game>>729852419>As long as Toby Fox keeps putting out bangerlmao, the state of this fucking board when rpgmaker dogshit is a "banger"
>>729853303Hey as long as you're not hurting anyone, you could jerk off to whatever you wantNow if only credit card companies felt that way....
>>729852937I'm chalking it up to hubris, they really should have been talking about. The fact I heard more about fucking Pizza Tower and Antonblast before their release YEARS, more than Penny is so sad. Not kidding, if I wasn't for a few artist I follow on twitter, I probably wouldn't know about it.
>>729842828They either needed to heavily restrain their spend like team cherry OR continuously release new shit that made more more money for their office size.
>>729853379Want to know how I can tell you're Indian?>Replying to several hours old posts despite nobody bringing them up, however this would be normal for poojeets like yourself since it's midday in India rn.>Stirring up trouble for no particular reason other than to "drive up engagement". But towards what? The thread? No, just ragebait to get more traffic to come to the site, since that's what you're paid to do.If you were really anything but those mutant poo flinging freaks, you'd have known that /v/ loves RPG maker shit and has since the dawn of time.
>>729829420Also vidya adjacent content creators only play stuff they're paid to advertise, unless the game itself is already insanely popular and would expand their fandomGetting something to go viral almost requires you to get selected on some shorts algorithm
>>729853502>>Replying to several hours old postsOh no, this goes so against my /boardculture/!Calm down, retard, I'm sure based toby fox will plagiarize some more music for you and you will have many more very high quality threads about trannytalerune.
>>729853574>waah waah plagiarismDon't careSounds good
>>729829865Deltarune is like half as successful as Undertale, and will take more than 10 years of dev time, not the best example
>>729853632>>waah waah plagiarism>Don't careWhat was the line?>Want to know how I can tell you're Indian?
>>729849179>waifuThis game would be doing DRAMATICALLY better if she was a waifuSex sells and Mina has no sex appeal outside fanart. Look at Pseudoregalia; it and Mina both have pantless furry women as protagonists with good gameplay, but because the former has sex appeal it blew up despite having zero marketing whatsoever besides some 4chan threads
>>729825832Don't care, they're retarded.
>>729836312>Your entire career is propped up as being an amazing animator with famjly ties to a disney animator>Two of the biggest games you worked on and known for arr based off the works of a far more talented and unique individual, but you end up taking over the entirety of the work and credit for his second idea that you kicked him out of thanks to a plot you helped orchestrate>Get to work on Penny as the animation lead for cutscenes>End up producing shit slideshows>Work on the Clocktower """Remaster""">Replace all the original illustrations with generic fake anime westerner art style that washes away the obvious Jennifer Connelly inspirationKinuko's entire career is built off the work of Alex. She would be nothing without him.
>>729853773No, but it's a better example. Deltarune is clearly making forward progress on a new product that can make the front page, while the expansions and mina can't. Toby in goddam Japan has a lower burn rate than that monstrosity of an office and their staffing. And That's also not counting the little bits coming in and staying in the limelight that Toby has, with shit like music licening.
>>729854067Show what Alex is up to to finish the thought.
>>729854120He's still drawing hot bitches and doing commission work. Most recently he did some covers for Udon's Darkstalkers vs Street Fighter comics.
Play Pipistrello
>>729845587laughed before I knew what a P-38 waslaughed again after googling it
>>729825832Mina will have to sell her body to keep the company from going under...
>>729853773Do you see this fucking pic?I'd say Toby has done a great fucking job at maintaining not only relevancy but also building connections and moving up despite Undertale being 11 years old
>>729830290He can't hire himself
>>729854067How they butchered the Clock Tower Remaster still pisses me off
>>729853426
>>729854385>Make an indie game that could easily be written off as an Earthbound Inspired Indie game >10 years later and you're eating dinner and being a judge with some of the most prestigious Japanese game developersCrazy
>>729835691Maybe get the camera to phase thru geometry next time so the game is fucking playable
>>729854475>Running off the "Carbon Engine">It's just a shitty frontend for LRG's shitty emulator>Developed by MVG, "Mistakes were made" Youtube faggot that loves making videos about buggy games>Cock Tower Remaster is fucking shit>Mistakes, were made
Cuphead might have fallen into the same indie trap as well>Release it in 2017>It becomes a smash hit>Follow it up with merchandising, books and all that nonsense (smart)>Release nothing else except for some DLC after 5 years (again, smart, it gave a second life to the game)>...but then they waste some of that money on a shitty Netflix show nobody cared about >Despite being 9 years later still not announcements or anything on a new game, still riding off the coat-tails of Cuphead's success We'll see if it pans out for them but I dunno. It might've been smarter for them to say no to the Netflix shit and expand the DLC into a sequel back in 2022.
Why didn't they stick to the basic sprites instead of going 3D for the sequel?
>>729854590The second it was revealed to be done by WayForward and LRG huge red flags ran off in my head I did not listen sadly
>>729854758Going 3D for the sequel was dumb. They should've went for 16 bit Sprites
>>729854475>>729854590Don’t forget that Spherehunter did voice acting in rewind as well. Stunt casting like that feels like another betrayal.
>>729838983This.Honestly they should have just made 4 more boss campaigns and I probably would have played them all.
>>729854365I'll buy her. I've even got a nice cage and some bedding all set up for her.
>>729853773>Deltarune is like half as successful as UndertaleSounds pretty good considering it cost twice as much and is only half done anyway.
>>729854590MVG left LRG, so he likely wasn't happy with them either.
>>729854748>they waste some of that money on a shitty Netflix show nobody cared aboutThat's not how television production works. If the show failed, then it's Netflix (or whichever studio produced the show) who's on the hook financially. The two brothers got their fees for the rights to the show, in addition to their fees for serving as Executive Producers, which in TV is a ceremonial title that involves no real work.
>>729854748I think the dumbest thing about that show is that instead of making a bunch of shorts modeled after the theatrical shorts that inspired the game, it's just a modern styled show. But hey, the episodes are onlt 12 minutes long so its kind of the same thing!
>>729854976I really don't care. He made the mistake of getting into bed with them and making a whole video about it and now I'll forever associate him with the shoddy quality that is Carbon Engine. Gex fucking sucked too.
Mina doesn't really seem that special compared to any other overhead-Zelda styled game.
>>729855236Its entire selling point is "From the makers of Shovel Knight!". Maybe back in 2015 or 2016 it might have meant something.
>>729854385Yes he made friendsIt's good that he found a way to create Deltarune, but it's development has had some serious issues considering the game it is
>>729853632
>>729829372Silence is violence, chud.
>>729855236its le links awakening inspired or some shit
>>729855689Earth is green.Nay. Earth is brown.Minecraft
>>729854237>>729854067Yeah, it's AMAZINGLY clear where the talent is there. I actually laugh at the fuckers who say it's hatred of women from chuds that derailed Penny. The art is so bad I can't even tell the goddam gender.
let me guess, studio based in California
>>729828290It worked for terraria at least.
>>729825832i played 10 minutes of the demo and then took it off my wishlist. BYE BYE!
>>729841853>So many successful indie devs of 2010s are flopping in the 2020sI've noticed this too, a lot of popular indie devs are really struggling these days. We all know about Silksong taking long as fuck to come out, but at least that shit came out. Yacht Club is on death's row, the Celeste guy canceled Earthblade, the Braid remake flopped and Jon Blow spent literal millions on his upcoming Sokoban game that barely anyone talks about, Deltarune might take like a fucking decade to finish, Cuphead came out like 7 years ago, Mewgenics was uncanceled back in 2018 and might come out this year and so on and so forth. It's really strange.
>>729853773This is true but Toby still makes lots of money on the side making music for other games and a fuckton of licensing and merch deals. He also didn't get an office and hire permanent employees in Cali, he moved to Japan and made lots of connections instead. Dude knows what he's doing.
>>729852937>>729853426to be fair to the devs it's the job of the publisher to market the fucking game and they clearly did a very lousy job of it. it feels like the game was rushed out the fucking door when it needed some patches to work proper on all platforms
>>729829310Very hard to feel bad for someone who wastes money like this, specially if that someone is actually just a soulless corporation.
>>729827745>>729829310>two dev teams>office in LA>donating money when you're running out of fundsRetards.
ok but what is going on with Mina? why the delay? 3 months delay without any new date seems weird for a game like this
Good thing Yacht Club have connections with Inti Creates, their CEO knows a thing or two about that situationLong story short, when Inti were debuting they were making so little money to the point employees couldn't be paid, so the CEO mass bought noodles with what he had and made noodles for the whole company
>>729825832I'm not going to miss them and their stupid monkey NFTs.
>>729858841It's the tough sophomore album a lot of the time. Striking gold twice is hard, especially now there are so many games knocking around.
>>729860649Yacht Club Games already sold off everything they could in their rented office space.They are going fully remote so they can survive until the game is ready.
>>729861371why did an indie developer even need an office in fucking santa monica, the most expensive bit of land in the most expensive state in the US? like id be a bit sad if mina did shit and they had go declare bankruptcy, but they pulled off a lot of retard movessonic mania was made remotely by an international team and it came out absolutely fucking fine. you dont need an office as an indie, especially not in LA. hell, if you insist on an office, wayforward lives on the edge of LA in an office where they rent out some space as well. saves a fuckton of money i imagine
>>729827334Isn't that a pellet smoker? I have the exact same one. Good stuff, I made ribs and salmon with it the other night. Bit dry though.
>>729861853>whyWhy not? They felt they were filthy rich after Shovel Knight was a hit.So why not spend a bit of the money on luxury stuff like they are a AAA studio?It was never going to be sustainable without putting out new games.
>>729862146>So why not spend a bit of the money on luxury stuff like they are a AAA studio?That is not the act of people who are good at planning and budgeting.
>>729826075>Where did all the money go?They moved their office to the priciest area in LA iirc, like just between the two most desired locations.
>>729862146That’s the same mindset as lottery winners who blow all their earnings within a year.
>>729829372Because it makes them feel good>YES KILL WHITEY WHOOOO GONNA FUND SO MANY MURDERS YEEEEEEEEESThat's how they get off.
>>729862417why do small devs keep doing this shit? is the clout from it that good?
>>729829372>brownie points
>>729863172Yes, unironically. It's a status thing. I don't feel bad for them at all.
Yeah hopefully it does go under
>>729829865Team Cherry made a genuinely good game, even with its problems. Their second game was genuinely good too. So Team Cherry's "secret" was basically to competently serve a niche with games that this niche simply loves. It's like Nintendo making 2D Mario Bros, they've been making basically the same game competently for 40 years and that's it.I don't think Toby Fox is comparable. His juvenile fan base has grown up, and I believe his third game/mod will no longer have much appeal. I have no doubt that he will end his career doing music collaborations for other games instead of creating his own.
There are still no must-play porn vr games so why should I give a fuck?Most people only get vr to hang out on vrchat with a bunch of minors and freaks.
>>729829310>gives 20k to niggers>goes underKWAB
>>729863528They specifically gave them to organizations that freed violent criminals like>NAACP Legal Defense Fund>National Bail work>Lis Angeles Action Bail Funda lot of the freed criminals using these funds reoffended after being on bail
>>729854385I hate this picture because you just know that Toby is taking advantage of being the "good gaijin" so he can impose seattle/LA hipster sensibilities on all these Jap developers under the guise of wanting to help them get their works to reach a wider audience. Fucking subversive little rat-faced kike.
>>729863446...Shovel Knight?
>>729863751Shit, wrong thread...
>t. somebody who will never gamedevSurely it'd be tough to get into serious debt over something as small budget as a retro-style pixel art game?
