Poor performance is not a poor people problem, it's a poor optimization problem. (I don't know what optimization means, I just see the word being used all the time when a game doesn't hit 60fps at certain resolutions and maximum graphics settings)
>>729829285>intelenjoy you melting backdoored malware>seagateenjoy your jewmerican 3-year lifespan drive
I look at it like this. If you're a developer or publisher, and you're trying to get a 95% rating, you shouldn't tolerate anything higher than 5% of your customers being negatively affected by performance issues. In other words you need to optimize your game to work without performance issues for 95% of the people according to the most up to date steam hardware surveys. If you're trying to hit a 90% rating, then you can slacken it to 10%. Publishers think pretty screenshots sell games, but they don't. Reviews saying "this game runs at 23fps" destroys sales.
>>729829285>I don't know what optimization means
unc still uses his computer from 2015
>>729830736Try again, squirt.
>>729829285Based rig would LAN with
>>729829285I played MGSV on this shit box specs and it ran 60fps on the highest settings.
This is why doom sucked balls. Couldn't even get full speed (which is 35fps mind you) on most 486's that people actually owned. Carmack is a fucking hack.
>>729829285raytracing has made it easier to churn out slop since it's easier to get everything autocalculated than do a competent raster implementation, framerate be damned
It's your game on the line, not mine. Do your job better or no dinero for you.
>>729830841based
>game runs like shit even on top-end hardware>"hmm, the people complaining must actually be poorfags using 10 year old hardware"every time
It's not my job to fix YOUR product. I will refund and move on.
escape from tarkov is the poster child of this. the game runs like ass even on a 9800x3d and a 5090
>>729829285there is no reason for most games to have a realistic artstyle. yoshi woolly world, paper mario, dragon warrior 3 remake, team fortress 2–all great looking games that run on a toaster.
>>729829285Nvidia assassinated their legendary 10 series on purpose with raytracing because the 20 and 30 were simply not motivating enough for 10 series owners to upgrade to. I ran fucking Baldurs Gate 3 and Elden Ring on my 1070 at high/med. There's absolutely no reason the thing shouldn't have been 1080p capable for most releases til the end of the decade
>>729831351>Jet Set Radio Future>iconic artstyle almost every gamer loved>ran on a system with a fucking pentium 3 and 64mb of ram
someone post the black brick model that's actually a gray brick but with like millions poly count
>>729831523I remember have the demo disc for this out of the magazine and project gotham racing. still looks great
>>729831351>>729831523If the skyrocketing price of PC components doesn't let up, I can only hope that it leads to a resurgence of devs trying to optimize every last of performance out of limited hardware, like they used to in the 80s and 90s.
>>729831749It might just lead to the death of the consumer gaming market where gamers own the hardware they play on. If everything is sold to datacenters exclusively we might see a dystopian future where we have nostalgia for the days when we didn't have to game on the cloud
>>729831952Feels like those are the two possibilities, yeah. Bad ending, "cloud gaming" becomes the norm. Good ending, we go back to 80s/90s nerd devs optimizing the living shit out of everything.
>>729831749if they are so devoted to not letting ai replace actual artists, it’s the only logical conclusion. games don’t need ray tracing, face scans, or high polygon counts to look great. these games are like 20 years apart and I’d be happy playing either
>>729831952I'm afraid
>>729829285>the game looks similar or worse than Crysis>requires a lot more than this to run
>>729832042>nintendo gameyeah no shit they're 20 years behind
>>729832552>this is supposed to be a bad thing
>>729832419I wouldnt be. this affects the big players who we already hate the most the fastest. small, affordable, independent games made by less than a handful of people will enter the market to fill the void. old, weak computers will make their rounds on the used market and be used as the future workstations leading to a natural optimization out of necessity. banks, governments, and big box stores are already running hardware and software from like 2002 and CNC machines can be operated with arduinos if they needed to be. I think the industry that will be hit hardest by this is healthcare.
>>729831184>game runs like shit on top end hardwarewhich game?
>>729832024I feel like there's a premise for a story there somewhere>It is the year 2045>Computer hardware can only be sold to licensed corporations>Due to resource shortages, the US has passed the Environmental Technology Act that requires all unlicensed computer tech 10 years or older to be reclaimed for re-manufacturing purposes, making older technology illegal to possess. >videogames exist in a highly controlled environment on one of two Megaplatforms, Steameta or Googlezon, accessed exclusively through your phone>The mouse, keyboard, and controller have gone extinct>Denied resources by China, the Japanese gaming market has collapsed>Corporate security officers now hunt down and make tactical strikes against the resurgence of the LAN Party, the most heinous of crimes in the modern age
>>729832753mh wilds just off the top of my head
Unpopular truth that zoomer faggots will hate: games have never been better optimized than they are now. We've gone from the early era of 3D gaming where you'd have to upgrade your hardware every time a new tentpole game came out for it to be playable, to now when it's realistic to push triple digit FPS on 5+ year old hardware for most new titles.
>>729832753name one game that doesn't
>>729832797never played it. is that all?
>>729832818all my games run fine. it must suck to be you
>>729832797>friend is sharing on discord>has 9800X3D and 7900XTX>game has moments where it stutters even on thatI don't think my 5070 Ti would fare much better with the same build
>>729832825sorry I’m nta just wanted to throw wilds under the bus >>729832904I have a 5070ti. I turned the game settings down just cause I want solid fps instead of graphics and sometimes it takes 3 seconds for the textures to pop in. that’s with a 9600x, great ram, and the wd sn950x nvme or whatever it is
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>>729833092What GPU?
So who was in the wrong?The answer is both because Borderlands is shit
>>729833092that's cool look at this, it's equally meaningful
>>729833196definitely gearbox because borderlands has and always will look like shit. cel shading is old as fuck as was designed to make games run better without looking substantially worse than dedicated 3d models
>>729832753Borderlands 4
>>729831523You know what else ran on pentiums?
>>729833206uh oh brownoid melty
>>729832808they were more optimized 5-6 years ago since they looked more or less the same
>>729832753All ue5 lumen nanite slop can't be ran at 1440p 240fps low on a 5090 without heavy upscaling Dark ages, borderlands 4, silent hill f, mgs delta, take your pick really
>>729832753Literally any UE5 game so all modern AAA
>i work in QA and have regularly been the go-to guy for compatibility and performance tests too>on top of my usual bug issues i occasionally report issues that are directly tied to bad performance (hitboxes update less on lower fps, thus allowing out of bounds by just walking toward anything at low enough fps)>try my best to showcase and explain the issue with as clear detail as possible>nobody cares they just make the code check twice as many times so it happens less frequently but is still running just as shit if not worse>regularly have to talk to people that have no concept of optimization practices even at a basic foundational level (see: yandere sim dev if else stacks)>regularly report system memory usage issues being absolutely fucking retarded (consoles especially) where the game crashes due to no system memory remaining>these FUCKING RETARDS think im talking about vram not system ram, wasting a whole month shitting up the visuals despite repeatedly telling them that isnt the issue>regularly flag issues that even highest end shit cant handle adequately because again nobody understands how capable hardware actually is and theyre expecting an intel nuc to run 4k 120fps for some reason>regularly ask them basic shit like which directx version is being used (9/11/12) and usually get "we dont know">once had an email come in asking if the game runs on win11 home>producer attempts to send an email saying "buy it and if it doesnt work refund it">interject immediately saying it works, and then remind them theyve been on this project for 2 years and should know this by now>and even if they did it doesnt matter its unreal and unity garbage anywaywhen your programmers are so bad that they always render everything and dont cull, and just change the draw distance to darken sooner, yet wonder why the game runs just as shit, you know youve hit retard centraltl;dryou have no idea how bad it really is sometimes
>>729837041>240 fpsfound the problem
>>729839709surprised QA even still exists, some companies just send their problems to the end user these days it seems
>>729830841his brain just melted
>>729839709How much do they pay QA people? Judging from the state of AAA gaming and your own words, probably not much?
>>729840235because you either get people like vibe coders but for QA where its lazy useless employees that dont check shit and are just "haha im a game tester" or you get crazy people like me who know too much and am at the mercy of who gives a fuck or not>>729840580it varies. im in the process of getting a new job and have an interview next week, will be hearing back from another place next week as well. ive seen ranges as far as 10/h (south carolina) all the way up to 30/h, and it really depends on the role, where you are, how good you are, and if its literal tester or lead/manager/etc. when i did contract work i was at a rate of 25/h and fairly flexible. every single fucking time it was a 1-2 month thing but became such a mess that it extended to half a year, not because im bad at my job but because whoever the fuck these people keep working with are fucking them over>localization outsourcing supposdely did well>check it because its on my todo list>none of the languages are even working, and even when they are its mixed results>because they only configured it for editor play to show all the languages correctly>end user would only ever see english even if manually overridden in settings>the game is 2 months away from shippingone i did work for was actually so pissed at what i found that they shit talked their volunteer testers a bit.on another title one of our programmers fucked the game over hard enough with an engine upgrade and untracked changes that the only person that knew the last stable build was me, so we hired in another guy just to develop a tool to identify our performance issue spots and make a heat map of it with viewing angles and all. the whole map was basically red (a trc failure). it took 3 months ot unfuck that one
>>729829285why do modern games need all that graphics power if the graphics don't look better than they did 10 years ago
>>729832775They'll just stop selling tech to retail that isn't extremely barebones and essential to modern life like smartphones, TVs, fridges, etc. I suspect tech for retail might undergo a regression to the 2000s or even 90s.The DIY component market won't exist in 5 years. No CPUs/GPUs/etc for gamers, no HDDs for the pirates and porn-hoarding coomers. The absolute best case will be absurdly-priced prebuilts.I'm riding my current 5800X3D + 4080S build all the way down to 1080p over the guts of the next decade. Will probably buy maybe 6-8 HDDs for my NAS and two passports over the course of the next year if I can afford them.
>>729840961>all the way up to 30/hOuch bro. It's nice that you worked in jobs that you were obviously passionate about, but you should build your skills to build up to better pay.
>>729829285Bro all you have to do is look at benchmarks of high end cards running modern games. The current state of vidya is pitiful.
>>729840961>so we hired in another guy just to develop a tool to identify our performance issue spots and make a heat map of it with viewing angles and all. the whole map was basically red (a trc failure). it took 3 months ot unfuck that onelol
graphics shouldve never gotten more realistic than MGS5. developers should spend the effort making physics, npcs and mechanics better if they want more realism
>>729841418>but you should build your skills to build up to better pay.thats why you climb the ranks to be a lead/manager/etc. theres ways to get more money but i just need money to cover bills and get some savings i dont need to milk it for top dollar. ive seen job openings that pay 80/h but you need credentials and a lot of corporate cocksucking in your records for that>>729841660the guy we hired was cool though he did work on games that i personally played when i was a bit younger, and had been doing optimization work basically his whole career. he did good shit and it saved everything but that doesnt change the fact that of 17 of us i was the only one using the vr headset and puking my brains out because when it runs bad it does bad shit to your senses. its not motion sickness its worse
>>729837041>can't be ran*can't be run(See also: "could have went" ---> "could have gone".)
>>729830943It still astounds me how well that game ran
>>729829961>3-year lifespan drivehuh? mine's been alive for 6
>>729829961>3-year lifespan driveI have one that's 13 years old, still kicking
>>729829285nice try timmy tencentengine sucks
Any game actually worth playing is at least somewhat playable on a build like this.
>>729829285>unironically defending ue5 slop and the talentless hacks we have nowadays as devsLmao
>>729841171i'm also curious about this. i think a lot of it comes down to new technologies not running well on older gpus. mesh shaders in alan wake 2 for example, or forced ray tracing in star wars outlaws. it still doesn't feel right though.these big budget game studios seem totally tone deaf to the state of the pc hardware market. how difficult would it be to make graphics settings for lower end gpus? you'd think they'd want as many people as possible to be able to play these games? AA and indie studios seem to be able to support older hardware no problem
>>729830841lmao
>>729832859>all my games run finet. eyelet that can't comprehend 60fps
games look so ugly these days yet require expensive set ups just to hit 60fps pic fucking relatedall hair in games now looks like this and its fucking sad and gross. why do games from 10 years ago look better AND play better? its insane.
>Now >New game releases>People with 5+ year old low end hardware complain that the game runs but they ONLY get 30fps>people on 5090 complain that they only get 100fps at 4k all ultra settings>meanwhile the "golden age of optimized pc games" from 20 years ago these people allude to>new game doesnt support 4-5 year old hardware, user recognizes it's time to upgrade>new game on entry level hardware that is 2 years old gets 15-20fps, doesnt matter, user is happy they get to run the game at all and even plays like this>new game on decent brand new GPU and CPU gets 30, maybe 40fps at mixed quality settings, awesome>everyone is happy
>>729839709How’d you end up doing just QA? Considering you even know what culling is?
>>729829285If CS2 can get a stable 60fps on a gt 710 with no framegen then no modern game has any excuse to not run playably on a 1030.
>>729831351HL2 Episode 2 looks great with its realistic artstyle despite running 10x better than modern tf2
I first played Quake on a 486 with no math coprocessorI got 0.5 frames per second in a 32 player deathmatch over a 14.4k dialup modemNow I run 3 companies>>729829285bottom text
>>729845161>20fpsI get more than that on the Intel Extreme Graphics igpu in my retro rig when playing hl2 despite that being an igpu that was a couple years old when hl2 released.
>>729845268>How’d you end up doing just QA?im a crazy person and have autistic pursuits that are practical in the right places and esoteric and pointless in the rest. do you need to know how ps3 executable signatures and drm works? no not anymore but even the most basic task is a pain in the ass on ps3 so its useful. meanwhile i cant read a callstack to save my fucking life>Considering you even know what culling is?i know what culling is because i have to figure out what the fuck is wrong when i turn around and my fps goes from 200+ down to 15. if we're rendering 12+ rooms and fog with no limit on draw distance unnecessarily while in an enclosed space whats the point? cull it out and stop wasting processing and power on rendering shit we cant say. theres also times where we cull things incorrectly where what should be rendered isnt because we're not standing within a proper zone. over enough time you pick up stuff. theres times where its hard to make a call though and instances like that are dependent on the situation.
People just got used to games running on anything as PC became secondary to consoles in the 2010s, and those consoles (PS4 and Xbox) the games were targeting were extremely weak. The current gen is not so weak relative to your average PC.
everyone could benefit from a good optimized game, even with good hardware, dips, inconsistent performance and various bugs are still present. i mean even with a 5090 you can't really play at 4k without ai upscaling comfortably...
>>729829285Ah yeah, I forgot how, famously, the PSU affects performance.
>>729839920That's an entry level oled retardIf you can't satisfy an entry level oled without running at 720p upscaling at low settings on the best card money can buy then there's clearly a fucking issue
>>729829285Is /v/ unironically filled with thirdworlders constantly complaining about how their 1080Tis can't run the latest games?The board clowns on reddit for political reasons, but /v/ is the only place where you see this must seethe on the technical end of things
>>729829285Poorchud gaming rigs are based, I still use a core 2 duo occasionally.
>>729848542im >>729840961 and want to let you know that one game i worked on someone emailed us to report that the game doesnt work on his pentium 4 and feforce 6800. yes NOT a GTX card, he was running a 256mb gpu from 2004mind you the game was 64bit only and dx11 minimum
>>729829285Yeah. I remember when I struggled to run Dishonored 2 on low settings even though I ran The Witcher 3 on high settings perfectly, sometimes even ultra settings outside cities. It was the biggest piece of unoptimized shit I ever played. I remember people with the best GPUs at the time struggled too
>>729848757What kind of game were you working on?
>>729830736>uncYou are Indian or a nigger, or both. Go drink a gallon of bleach and maybe you'll die a bit whiter you blob of shit.
>>729831523>iconic artstyle almost every gamer lovedLooks like shit
>>729849719dont worry about it, ive worked on too many now to care
>>72983280810 series era was peak optimization
