What's the difference between a Battlemage and Spellsword?
>>729843886One casts magic and has a sword, the other casts magic with a sword.
>>729843886Battlemage is a mage with a weaponSpellsword is a warrior with a spell
A battlemage is a skilled and respected leader of distinction and renown. A spellsword is the town yokel takes up banditry by casting light in your eyes and sticks you with a pitchfork
>>729843934You mean Axe. This specific class instance by default specializes on blunt weapons. BITCH
>>729843886Spellsword was a guy in medium or light armor that mostly swung swords but could also use magic. Battlemage was a guy in armor who mostly casted spells but sometimes swung swords. This is what every game since Arena intended but whoever the fuck made the default classes in Oblivion was very confused and/or retarded and didn’t seem to know what either was truly about.
>>729844190You didn't have to be so blunt about it...
For me it's sorcerer.
>>729843886>must not fap
>>729843886a battlemage is a mage who specializes in combat on the frontlines and uses spells that are for close combat situations think cantrips, quick fireballs, small force fields and emergency healsa spellsword is a swordsman who has learned magic that supplement their swordsmanshipthink magic swords, teleports, and force pushes
>>729843886It's in their names. A battlemage is primarily a magician but is trained to utilize weapons and armor to survive in the thick of battle. A spellsword is a primarily a swordsman but comes prepared with some magic and enchantments, either to enhance their swordplay with extra effects or sling some spells as if they were sidearms.
>>729844669So who do you use for the big, battlefield altering spells that generals would have to account for and potentially have specialists on hand to deal with? I remember one of the books in the game mentioning a town in Cyrodiil using alteration magic en mass to give their troops waterbreathing and some kind of sound proofing spell to kill Imperial troops under cover of darkness each night until the commanders wised up to it.
>>729844941regular mages are basically living artillery who stand behind the frontlines archmages are naturally the strongest and most destructive of them
I never liked the name spellsword because it implies a specific weapon. Spellblade doesn't quite work either. Battlemage is more broad but it doesn't really invoke the same imagery as spellsword/spellblade. Solution?
>>729843886Years ago I actually spawned those random encounter NPCs that are named after their race in skyrim(and attack you for no reason) to actually answer this question because the random encounter "Breton" had the battlemage class and the random event female "Redguard" had the spellsword Class. And the difference between the two is mainly in their combat strategy. Both are armored mages that utilize melee but the Battlemage used melee as backup when his mana is depleted, when he has mana he is always trying keep you at range by backing up as you try to get close and he's always dual casting ranged projectile spells like fireball. The Battlemage only brings out a melee weapon and fights up close when his mana is completely drained.On the other hand the Spellsword always keeps a weapon in one hand and a ranged spell like fireball or firebolt in the other but when the player gets within a certain proximity to the Spellsword they'll come to you instead of backing up/staying at range and then attack with their weapon in one hand while using a short ranged spray spell like flames in the other.
>>729845294Boom Brawler
>>729845294eldritch warrior
>>729845458wat
>>729844669/thread
>>729845294BardRed MageRune KnightArcane Trickster
>>729843886Spellswords are usually lightly armored dexfags to go along with their spellcasting. Battlemage has two common meanings. A beefier version of a spellsword, similar to a d&d cleric. Or a spellcaster fully optimized towards combat magic.
>>729844053based spellsword
>>729844053Presumably a spellswords favorite spell is pocket sand.
>>729844669Yeah this is how I always imagined it, Spellswords using magic more functional way.
>>729845623>BardLimited to music related fluff>Red MagePretty good but implies blue/white/black mage which is fairly setting specific >Rune KnightKnight specific imagery>Arcane TricksterToo rogueish to be used broadly
>>729845623Those are all different things>BardPerformer and jack of all trades, usually having most in common with rogues than mages or fighters>Rune KnightTheir magic specifically comes from runes etched onto their equipment>Arcane TricksterA magic rogue, not a magic fighterRed Mage is probably the closest, but it's very dependent on the setting. Usually they use rapiers specifically as their weapon of choice which is an even more specific kind of sword. Ironically Final Fantasy also has Spellfencers which are a different class entirely that also use rapier magic but in a completely different way.
>>729845294Spellblade is perfectly fine the issue is people are uneducated and assume blade only describes a sword when basically every martial weapon that is sharp and/or pointed is a blade. An axe and a spear are blades just as much as swords and daggers are.
>>729846323>uses a staffOh no
>>729846354Crushing weapons are mondo gay.
>>729846441>crushingRetard
>>729845623>Rune Knighthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUgkPaW7qlc
>>729846547Grug only knows how to unga and bunga. Grug don't need more than that. Grug still ponders why he ungas. Just to bunga?
>>729844190>axe>blunthuh
>>729846547A staff is just an anorexic club, so yes it's crushing.
>>729846640He's a retard >>729846678Retard
>>729846707I accept your concussion.
>>729846707Axes were classified as blunt weapons in Oblivion though.
>>729843886>spellswordThe guy who spells 'sword'>battlemageThe guy who battles mages
>>729843886I don't know, and it blows my mind that there are speds out there who seethe that Skyrim removed this retardation.
>>729843886one is a wizard who lifts, the others a warrior that learned how to spell
>>729843886From Morrowind and Oblivion I got the impression Battlemage was basically a mage that could use weapons and heavy armour.Spellswords were more a perfect balance: you couldn't say they were a warrior using spells or mage using weapons.I don't think the distinction applies outside Elder Scrolls games, because they exist in this balance of Battlemage vs Spellsword vs Sorcerer as different kinds of martial/magic hybrids.Independent of any setting, I think the TES Battlemage inherently is a sensible class (uses magic for damage and utility, martial skills as a backup) but Spellsword doesn't make sense (both magic and weapons as damage, both magic and armour as defense, has too much redundancy and therefore stats and skills spread too thin to be effective). So I'd like "Spellsword" to be like a Jedi: uses weapon as DPS and magic to supplement damage, and provide all defense.
ok what's the difference between wizard and sorcerer though?
>>729847349Wizards cast through book-learning and repetition, Sorcerers cast through instinct and "having a knack for it"
>>729847349>WizardReads books to gain arcane knowledge over long periods of study>SorcererBitch ass nigger who was born with innate magical ability.
>>729847470>>729847478thank you
>>729844941I'd classify that as a War Wizard. They'd be the go to for the types of spells that can shape or alter a battlefield and/or be used for tactical purposes. Of course, being Wizards, they can almost always be counted on to just rain an overwhelming amount of destruction on an area as well. There's a group in the Forgotten Realms, I think it's the Red Wizards of Thay, that specialize in linking spellcasters together to massively empower their spells beyond what they can normally do on their own. I can see a War Wizard with a cadre of others utilizing that to throw out some very powerful spells to help decide the course of a battle.
>>729847349>>729847470We're mixing systems again you fucking magiscegenators!!Sorcer magic as innate instead of book learning is DnDTES Sorcerers are magic users (and more summoning and destruction than healing) that also wear armour: that's the only non-magic thing they use except for maybe a dagger>>729848031In TES what Pyromancy anon was describing was the job of Battlemages. Incidentally, warhammer Pyromancers are a type of Imperial "Battle Wizard"You're correct that Red Wizards are the ones that specialise.
>>729845294>it implies a specific weaponit's a play on sellsword, dumbfuck
>>729843886To me, a battlemage uses heavy armor and a mace, while a spell sword uses light armor and a sword. That's just my version, though.
>>729844941>I remember one of the books in the game mentioning a town in Cyrodiil using alteration magic en massYou're probably thinking of Daughter of the Niben.
>>729843886How come Noone has posted this yet?
>>729843934so cleric?
>>729848031>There's a group in the Forgotten Realms, I think it's the Red Wizards of Thay, that specialize in linking spellcasters together to massively empower their spells beyond what they can normally do on their own. I can see a War Wizard with a cadre of others utilizing that to throw out some very powerful spells to help decide the course of a battle.In Dominions, that's called a communion and it's how a bunch of otherwise basic-bitch novice spellcasters can mind-control an entire army or cast beeg, battlefield-altering spells.
>>729850280because it tries to compare merchant with fighting. retarded chart
>>729846640Axes were sort of blunt weapons.
>>729845294RangerArcanistMagus
>>729843886Battlemage = more mage than martialSpellsword = more martial than mage
>>729843886Battlemage is a mage that mostly uses magic but can also use melee weapons when necessary. Spellsword is like a witcher, he mostly fights with melee weapons and uses some magic like basic magic missiles or buffs which complement his fighting style.
>>729851449I kinda agree. I'd flip Merchant and Strider, personally.
>>729843886The picture shows it. Battlemage = A mage who mostly uses magic but also fights with a melee weapon of their choice. Spellsword = A warrior who wears armor and wields a melee weapon but also utilizes some spells.
>>729843886The class art in oblivion was so good.
>>729852567/thread
>>729843886I wish the characters in the game looked as cool as this.
>>729844387Pinhead looking ass
>>729843886Battlemage is a heavily armored nigga who shits magic. Spellsword is a speedy nigga who shits magic.
battlemage is the class for "that guy" who got mad when told his wizard couldn't wear armor. spellsword is for people who want to play as a jedi/witcher.
Where do necromancers sit on the wizard/sorcerer dichotomy? Can you be naturally inclined towards the dead and the raising thereof?
>>729853394If you consider necromancy just one of multiple schools of spellcasting like in dnd rather than a separate class, it can be either.
>>729845623>>729845940>>729846193>>729846580Paladins are Battlemages/Spellswords but you'll ain't ready to have that conversation
>>729853567Paladins are clerics who took jesus's advice of bringing a sword.
>>729853567The fact that Paladins and other holy crusader themed warriors are fueled by their faith and the powers granted to their by their chosen deity, they do not count as either. Battlemages/Spellswords are arcane warriors.
>>729853567Paladins are more priests/clerics in heavy armor.
>>729853207please be nice to sorcerer
>>729853567arcane is not divinepaladins are not sorcerers>Paladins are Battlemages/Spellswordsbattlemage and spellsword is a classification, not a state of beinga warrior is not a rogue if he picks up a dagger
>>729853567Divine and Arcane are two different types of magic.The Lich is afraid of the Paladin because he has a god's backing. The Lich is afraid of the Wizard because he'll blow the whole fucking place up with Fireballs.
I just started Oblivion and it's a very difficult game up to mid pointall tyypes of weapons do 2 damage, and armors are 2 defense.Do the devs expect players to go grind skills for 10 hours before 'playing' the game?
>>729853814They expect you to play with the difficulty slider to ignore the monster lvl ranges that can be wildly unbalanced if you aren't maxing your stat gains per level. Which you won't know how to do if you just started.
>>729853567if there's a distinction between arcane magic that either has to be studied or something you're born with and power as granted by a deity as a result of religious fervor then there's a significant difference
>>729853814Oblivion is easiest if you never level up. Ever. Level scaling outpaces the player even if you do shit optimally.
>>729853814level scaling in Oblivion is fucking bullshit
>>729853814Yes. All rewards scale with level.You're getting inferior trash that you'll abandon in like thirty minutes unless you're high level before doing literally anything.
>>729853926And what the fuck is up with the level up bonus in OblivionAll the internet shit on skyrim for how it dumbed down rpg stats, but when you read oblivion mechanics in depth, Skyrim is unironically good
>>729844217do you also make lengthy posts about dragon and wyvern differences?
>>729853567paladins get their power from their oaths to an orderspellswords are fighters who learned some spells to support their swordsmanshipbattlemages are wizards who focused their studies on frontline battle
>>729854243Dragons are serious business after all.
>>729853814Oblivion's extremely egregious level scaling is the reason there are so many mods that just try to address that shit, right now I'm using Realistic Leveling, Ascension and the Balanced Creatures/NPCs/Unleveled Rewards mods and it's pretty good.
>>729854242It's simple, use skill, get more attribute points in whatever attribute the skill(s) you level up with correspond to. It worked fine in morrowind because shit didn't scale so retardedly but in oblivion if you get a bunch of bad level ups certain enemies will just wall you(high end goblins and their fuckhueg health regen most notably)
>>729843886Battlemage cheeses with Conjuration and did not beat the game. Spellsword is a chad Destro/Restro/Alteration melee player.
>>729843886Spellsword has shittier spells.
>>729843886One has decided to stop being a weak wrinkly man in bath robes so he started lifting weights and taking some swordsmanship classes, the other accidentally put some stat points into intelligence so he might as well learn how to cast magic missiles.
For first time, should I play Oblivion Remastered or GOTY Oblivion?I only played Skyrim and morrowind
Battlemage is a mage that is decent in melee if the need arises. A spellsword is a fighter that buffs themselves with magic to fight better.
