Why does Touhou attract players otherwise interested in gacha games, Western indie games, WRPGs and first-person shooters instead of fans of retro and arcade games? Is it dumbed down compared to other PC shoot-'em-up offerings?
>>729850961I'm not completely sure.It's just a sub-par bullet hell game. like you take games like Batsugun or Do-Don Pachi but where those games have amazing art.. Touhou has really fucking terrible artwork.Touhou music is quite good.. but so is the music in many bullet hells.So that leaves me with the anime girls instead of fighter ships..Just the fact that it has anime girls for gatcha losers to identify with seems to be the pull. those sorts of people never cared about gameplay to begin with.
>>729850961It doesn't? Mods on 4chan have created an echo chamber on /v/ by forcibly shitting up discussion for it, and other topics they do not like. The CP spammer that targets 2hu threads has similiarly targeting threads criticizing moderation, so it's likely just some tyrannical little asshat janny doing it while churning out 400 fallout threads a day. Pretty much everywhere else on the internet it's not like this.Like this guy >>729851514Has never played a shmup in his life.A distinction here is: when I go to the regular big catch-all shmup discord everyone is normal and playing and discussing games, including 2hu, but the if you sift through a bunch of shitty super specific usecase servers eventually you're gunna stumble upon some deranged 2hu groomercord, but that's just doujin culture in general.
>>729850961Bullet hell is a modern genre explored by CAVE during the post golden-age of arcade shmups, and Touhou took inspirations from that.The genre is in a realm of arcade game sure, but it's still a PC game that took inspirations from subversion of arcade shmups before that scene died, so it's hard to call it "retro".
>>729850961The majority of Touhou fans enjoy the lore, music and porn. It helps that ZUN doesn't give a fuck about fangames which opens door to more fans who dont really like bullet hell.
>>729850961It attracts indie game fans because people just tack the IP characters onto literally every game.
>>729851828>It doesn't?No you're wrong. I'm right.-Touhou has non-bullet hell 3rd party games with much higher quality production than the actual games-Touhou has anime shit and an over abundance of internet culture fanstuff-Touhou has a ridiculous amount of Porna vast majority of its fanbase know it from these things.this is not the case with the more respectable bullet hell games. The fans of those games are drawn in by their mechanics and nature as arcade titles. almost no one is making porn of the ships fucking, or anime fanfic shit.
>>729850961If it exists, there's touhou fangame of it
>729851828>Trannymai>Troonimai>Groomimai>Goonimai>41imai>Xe/ximai>Splittinmai-cock>Dilatemai-Axewound>2ndplacenimai>ProtrectedByTheTrannyJannymai>Pedonimai>5643imai>NoSeason2nimai>Dickgoodbai>DEMONimai>Onim-ACK!!!Get your dick split, you avatarfagging AGP-induced PEDOPHILE.
>>729850961Touhou is what got me into bullet hell arcade games though. When I able to clear a bunch of games on Lunatic I got into stuff like Mushihimesama and other obscure autistic shit.
>>729852120>loreAs somebody who hasn't looked into it, what does Touhou lore have to offer? All I've ever done is skim through the endings, and it seems like all the "story" is just set up so that another game can happen and you have a reason to go through six stages again. Not really for the purpose of worldbuilding.
>>729850961>gacha games, Western indie games, WRPGs and first-person shooters instead of fans of retro and arcade gamesThe first group of player types outnumbers the second over 1000 : 1That isn't a joke>umamusume downloads, japan only: 23 million+>owners of Crimzon Clover on steam; 100k-200k estimated by steamspy
>>729852227>this is not the case with the more respectable bullet hell gamesThe best shmups players in both the east and the west absolutely love touhou, hate to to break it to you.>almost no one is making porn of the ships fucking, or anime fanfic shitYagawa, the creator of battle garegga, when offered one last chance to direct a shmup unsupervised, decided to make a game about chubby pig women that constantly yell sexual innuendo as you get power ups. MOSS, the creators of Raiden, decided to make a game where you shoot the clothes off teen girls as their swansong shmup.
>>729852347There's tons of additional lore in books, manga, soundtracks and stuff. Then there's countless fanon interpretations
>>729852227>doujin game series has doujin derivative works
>>729852026>it's hard to call it "retro"Half-Life is older than the Windows Touhou games, but resembles the average modern video game more. All are different genres, but it's hard to deny that Touhou has more in common with Mega Man than Half-Life. But there's more overlap with Half-Life players. I'm going to assume it's because of its cast's ability to appeal to even non-gamers and because of it's PC exclusivity.
>>729852740This is an insanely retarded post and you should go back to whatever hole you crawled out of
>>729852026Actually, Touhou mutated into a bullet hell game starting out from an Arkanoid-like. You can see the evolution from 1-4, and it only started aping CAVE when it turned out CAVE's games were the blueprint to a good SHMUP.
it's kinda funny to me how touhou is the face of shmups now basically
>>729852818Why so anon? Touhou is absolutely retro-leaning in design.
>>729852917No toaplan game has a pattern like that
uhhhh idunno man touhou to me always seemed to nab a variety of players due to how flexible the fandom is glory to the CCP
>>729852917retro games had good art.usually really high quality crisp pixel art to compliment the gameplay.
>>729853291Dodonpachi looks like shit like 75% of the time though, Daioujou is when CAVE starts making games that look really nice. Also, touhou actually does look kind of good, on a CRThttps://youtu.be/1cbQ4v6bFKQAnd similiarly, the new games are a lot crisper because they aren't designed for a CRT
>>729852984It still has more DNA from older gaming than modern. Of course it's not one-to-one, it's still a modern game. But its design is built on the foundations of retro games, a foundation which modern games have mostly detached themselves from.>>729853291It varies, don't forget that retro games encompass Atari games as well. Xevious is also a shmup and isn't very pretty. The art style isn't very important in discussing the roots of the game's mechanics.
>>729853527The roots come from ZUN being a massive pedophile and attracting a fanbase who was into fucking kids.
>>729852831Touhou 1-5 is just ZUN learning how to program thoughThere's a reason why he rebooted the game from 6
>>729853527>It still has more DNA from older gaming than modernNo it doesn't. Touhou is an incredibly forward thinking and gimmicky series.
>>729850961idk I just wanted to dodge the dots while listening to great music and unexpectedly fall in love. No classic arcade SHMUP ever did that for me
>>729853615The game can be forward thinking and gimmicky will still having a retro framework. It's still a modern game, after all, and I'm not claiming an intentional pastiche of older games.
>>729850961ERTMMMM Mork LOVED 6 akshually
>>729853828>a retro frameworkYou keep regurgitating buzzwords you don't understand. Retro itself is already a functionally useless word to begin with, which is why we refer to shmups by era, and touhou is not built on golden era shmups. The only connection to this era is that ZUN used to code monkey for Taito, which if you don't know about Darius and Rayforce, Taito makes very presentation oriented shmups, especially when it comes to music. Touhou 6 is made after he leaves Taito and the difference is obvious.
>>729853527Your term of "older gaming" is vague, it's a very surface-level analysis of the genre.I literally explained that Tohou can't be retro as it's a genre developed from subversion of arcade shmups, if you don't get it, work your way up from Konami/Capcom shmups, Toaplan to CAVE.Just because it's a top down 2D auto-scroller game, it doesn't automatically make it into the category of "old gaming". Especially when modern shmup is still a thing outside of Touhou.
>>729854175I'm speaking about video games as a whole, in which retro design is generally distinct from modern regardless of genre. While you can divide shoot-'em-ups themselves, that doesn't change that most are still retro leaning. You would have to fundamentally change how Touhou works in order to make it purely "modern". >>729854375My claim is not that Touhou is retro, but that it has more in common with retro games than modern, thus, going back to the original point, making me wonder why plenty of its audience is uninterested in older video games.>developed from subversion of arcade shmupsWhich is building on top of "retro" video games. Take a look at a video game like Metal Gear Solid, which was released in the 90's, but already sheds "retro" game design and introduces modern ideas.
Warlock of Firetop Mountain
Shin Megami Tensei
Draw?
>>729854845Sexy kids
>>729854716whats the name of this?
>>729850961Because the appeal of Touhou is the characters, not the gamesanyone who is actually invested in the shmup genre knows Touhou games are mediocre as hell compared to what the genre has to offer and that the series lives on solely through fanworks dedicated to the characters
>>729854827This game is unironically just awful
>>729854619>My claim is not that Touhou is retro, but that it has more in common with retro games than modernMy claim is that it has more in common with modern shmups than retro shmups, so even if one got past the hoops of secondary doujin works and all the porn and actually get into the gameThey'd naturally gravitate towards modern shmups than anything retro, why the fuck would anyone want to feel like playing Megaman or Punch-out after liking Touhou?>Which is building on top of "retro" video gamesevery modern adventure games are built on top of Super Mario
Kissing Narumi
>>729850961Because it is brain breakingly hard even on ez moade for your average braindead gamer in the age of yellow paint and cinematic mode.
>>729854827isnt this the best SMT game and completely BTFO'd VV/nocturne
>>729855410who told you that? VV is one of the best JRPGs ever
>>729855474contrarian /smtg/gers
>>729852831Touhou didn't ape Cave, ZUN always admitted that his main inspiration was Battle Garegga, as well as Kiki Kaikai. Touhou doesn't really play like a Cave shmup.>>729854981>anyone who is actually invested in the shmup genre knows Touhou games are mediocre as hell compared to what the genre has to offerHell no, Touhou games are incredibly solid shmups. They keep it simple and focus entirely on danmaku patterns, which makes the gameplay feel more pure. They also focus on survival more than scoring, with more sophisticated difficulty scaling than anything Cave ever made, which is cool. I'll take Touhou (especially the early Windows games) over most of the genre.
>>729855153I'm satisfied enough with your answer. I still think modern shoot-'em-ups are on their own lineage separate from mainstream modern gaming though. But I can see why retro is a faulty term for it.But as for Mario, I'd say the shift in the focus in the gaming industry can still be seen when you compare the older games to the new ones they've made, which have all been multiplayer focused. Even the original Nintendo Mario games slowly made lives less and less important.
>>729852240>and other obscure autistic shitName one (1)
>>729855474>one of the best JRPGs everSo like a 2/10 VN with padding
>>729854972marisa of liartop mountain
>>729855525>Touhou didn't ape CaveZUN has stated that the games were inspired by CAVE many, many times, and the games even have direct references to CAVE. Touhou pulls from a huge library of shmups and there's nothing wrong with that. Like there are entire spell cards ripped straight from CAVE bosses. And CAVE borrows stuff from touhou too.
I thought the new captcha was supposed to stop bots
>>729854827I can't believe I got tricked by a friend into buying this shit
>>729855153>every modern adventure games are built on top of Super MarioYou mean Legend of Zelda. Zelda became the template for all action adventure. Super Mario wasn't even the first breakthrough side scroller. That was Defender.
>>729856005You just know this nintendie is the spammer
>>729855538>modern shoot-'em-ups are on their own lineage separate from mainstream modern gamingThat I agree, shmup is a weird genre that exists solely by itself.It's probably the reason why Touhou doesn't create a pipeline for non-shmup retro games, you either continue diving-in to the shmup rabbit hole or fuck off back to your old comfort game
>>729856005>You mean Legend of Zelda. Zelda became the template for all action adventureHydlide was the template that Zelda itself followed.
>>729856005I only meant it as a way to express that just because a game is built on top of a retro game, it doesn't make it retro, because every game can be reduced down to "game built on top of a retro game", technicality is irrelevant
So are mods ever gonna do anything about this
>>729856394Well, the spam went from images to catbox links to now just strings of text, so they probably are doing something.
>>729856394Mods are doing "things" in real time, but you cannot combat unlimited proxies now can you?
>>729856241Which was in turn inspired by Ultima. But at a certain point you pinpoint the game in history that brought it all together and made it work. And that is basically Zelda. Everything before was an 'attempt' at the action-adventure platform.
>>729856394They don't want otaku stuff on /v/, they won't do anything unless they absolutely have to, this is helping them.
>>729856132This checks out >>729856341I wonder why tendie has a beef with 2hu
>>729856394That fact that just posting about a video game is making someone cope and seethe to this extent is delicious.
>>729856482Good job retard.
>>729854827Unironically the best dungeon crawler in a while, Atlus should be ashamed.
>>729855410>isnt this the best SMT gameit's just a copy of SNES SMT with touhou characters lol
>>729854827Potemki does really nice pixel art
>>729854827The only thing bothering me so far is how hard it is for lower level units to keep up with the newer ones in terms of levels. Even sacrificing super high levels doesn't give that much exp.
>>729856873Not even close dude, get higher standards
sucks that a thread with actual discussion about video games is getting spammed, instead of e-celeb or rage bait thread
>>729857028>Doesn't mention anyGo on, go ahead and i better not hear some retarded shit like Demon Gaze or Mary Skelter.
>>729850961Touhou games attract pathetic faggots that like to cosplay their favorite female character https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeSVa7syD7E
>>729857085That's why it's getting spammed. This us what /v/ is now and it's why mods sat here and watched this guy make posts like >>729857027 constantly until he finally sperged out and posted something illegal. All the posts were chain deleted, the IP never changed. They just sat there knowing full well what would happen. This could have been addressed over an hour ago. And they won't stop him either, they'll just stop images from being posted killing any chance of OC and go back to spamming bethesda threads.
>>729857135Post a single 1cc, prove you play real video games and aren't just here to shit up the thread with rpgs, of which the catalogue already has 100 threads for
>>729857206You think he would not be aware of it by now? It's been months.
>>729857215Sometimes with guns!
Stop acknowledging it, you retardshe does it for attention
>>729857350Oh Anon. If people here were capable of situational awareness and self control why would be they be here.
>>729857282>Mario 64 is good>No actually its not and i know better platforming games!>Such as?>Uhhmmm im not telling!You sound like a retard.
>>729857287It should do the trick. Cucker has been suffering from rangeban issues because of this fag, and Leto wouldn't wanna lose his gold pass cash cow.
>>729857518not seeing a 1cc, surely you didnt come into a shmup thread to spam rpgs. Are you that constipated with shit casual baby game discussion that the entire catalogue has to be for a single genre, the most retarded entry level genre ever made?
All mainline Touhou games are RPGs. You have a role. You play it. It is a game.
>>729857634This is a thread about Touhou's mass appeal, discussing spin-off games based on it is very much on-topic.
>>729857215>12:30>white guy with fake tits
>>72985777567 hours bro. This isn't reddit, I'm not gunna pretend like you don't have to play shmups to be a touhou fan. Its not unreasonable to expect someone to 1cc a single touhou game on normal as a bare minimum. I could 1cc the whole fucking series in 67 hours, its not a very demanding difficulty.
>>729857865>>72985713567
Touhou is just another ikaruga like in the vein of ketsui strand type game
>>729858229Speak english.
>>729850961/loli/
Final boss of Touhou Mumyouken Unorganized Heroes
Touhou is the best schmup objectively and anybody who talks about any boring fucking Don don pachy or whatever it's called is an annoying smug redditor who wants to feel like a special boy
>>729859286Schmups are gay but touhou for it's story, characters and encouraging of original content makes it the exception gegIt seems it has more effort than a soulless cave shooter just niggers on this board like to say "le tranny" like that has ever mattered and like half the shit they like isn't for people worse than troons anyway
U guys should be grateful to touhou because it's the reason people still go to site and not an imageboard that wants to and does protect it's users from CP spam like le sh*rty
>>729859286Shut the fuck up faggot
>>729859906>Fanbase has trannies in it Uhmmmm okay, why do you care so much? Sounds like you're projecting yourself
>>729859595Dont flatter yourself, 2hu is only good for its music and porn
>>729860009Seems to me you're just a gooner, and gooners don't know good things when they see it
>>729860045Why do you care though, these trannies live in your head enough for you to hyperfixate on them all day
I love Hata no Kokoro entirely because of the porn. I don't play fighting games. But shmups are pretty fun.
>>729859906Me on the right
>>729860151Really seems like u r projecting buddy, trannies are everywhere, maybe you'll join them one day if you keep on fixing on them>I totally don't care, I just have a bunch of pictures of men dressed up as girls to rid my loli gooning board of thy touhou degeneracy
>>729860151Replied to the wrong nigger
>>729859286deathsmiles absolutely mogs touhou
Did the projector get banned? Good for him, maybe he's behind the CP spam, time off of the Internet may be good for him that crying over games about females and obsessing over random trans folk isn't healthy
>>729860427It doesn't, boring game that tried to do touhou style and became forgotten
Trying to pit shanghai against CAVE is the dumbest shit ever, only sharty could think of something so retarded. CAVE literally made the touhou gacha. These two companies are pretty much inarguably two peas in a pod.
>>729860427Here's another special immigrant from reddit who thinks he's special for playing games nobody cares about, probably the projectors samefag
>trans folkKek
>>729860593Sounds like CAVE learnt who owns em
>>729860657Hyperfixating on trannies again, just get the chop already
>stop focusing on the large percentage of the fanbase
Is crossdressing the ultimate form of gatekeeping?
>>729860838Why does it concern you so much though, focusing on fans of anything is shit for projecting kiwipedos with their own insecurities
Speaking of Cave, this game is fucking amazing, and everyone should play it. The visuals are the highlight, this is what I imagine Cave would've made if they didn't stop developing shmups 15 years ago. When Mork and Boghog talked about a hypothetical perfect shmup for beginners, this is what they imagined.I only wish it was more difficult, but it was designed for newfags specifically.https://store.steampowered.com/app/2877170/TouHou_Makuka_Sai__Fantastic_Danmaku_Festival_Part_III/
>>729860954>Perfect schmupThat's touhou bud, other schmups are SNCA
>s-s-stop pointing out how our community is full of troons o-ok??
>>729861085>>729860838>>729860657Samefag projecting about SNCA trannies, he probably goons to them in sekrit
>p-p-projectingTouhoutroon is mindbroken lmao.
western touhoutrannies deserve the rope. show me anything a westroon has made recently.
>>729859961Majority of touhou fans are okay with this >>>/jp/50505283Are you faggots going to be dressing as touhou girls and doing gay shit all the way into your thirties and forties? LMAO>Sounds like you're projecting yourselfNo, I'm talking about facts. Try to make a touhou convention for straight people only and see what happens.>>729860443Shut the fuck up faggot. Touhou games are shit and haven't changed at all.
>>729861216Now you're accusing me of being a tranny, are they all you think about?
Just a reminder that there's an entire touhoutroon subreddit where they groom men into becoming trannies. You cannot get worse than that.
>>729851514Touhou has beautiful bullet patterns, other games usually don't.
>acts like a troon>gets called a troonI dunno. What do you think?
>>729860838I loved 2hu as a teen but I swear the fanbase is the most autistic, non verbal, retarded, porn addicted group of fucking morons I have ever seen. Between twitter trannies, the /v/ 2hu threads that are full of discord troons(not even counting the pizza spammer here mind you) and the retards at /jp/ that have been posting 2hu fetish threads for more than a decade, my disdain for them is indescribable. They only consume 2hu and plan to only consume 2hu for another decade. They are autismos that can only repeat their routines forever, regardless of if it's good for them or not. If they consumed 2hu before, they must keep doing it forever, even though the games have been complete garbage for a while. I am especially mad because of how bad 19 was. Any other dev would have been crucified for delivering such an unfinished piece of shit, but since it's ZUN and no one plays the games anyways it gets a pass.
>>729861274>all the way into your thirties and forties?they're already all 40+
>>729861274>Guise look at how bad humanity is *shows picture of India*Also congratulations you watch trans porn I'm glad you're starting to accept who you are more Also the games change a lot but I would not count on an unintelligent gooner like yourself to notice
>you watch trans pornI agree that touhou conventions are no different from that.
>>729861490The same game but with a new gimmick isn't "a lot" even if you're willing to eat every nugget of shit ZUN barfs out
>>729857325The guns are to make sure they die when they become 40 years old and expire
>>729861446Honestly, the threads on /jp/ and here perfectly encapsulate this. Touhoutrannies are like /dbs/pics but significantly more trans and less funny.
>>729861274>STOP HAVING FUN NOW RIGHT NOW BECAUSE I SAID SO. YOU ARE LE CRINGE!Why are zoomers like this?
>>729861665Treat your AGP before it's too late sis.
>>729861627One last danmaku battle LARP with lead bullets. That's a good way to go.
touhou threads of today>standard shmup fans vs bullet hell elitism who are only here to shit up the thread because they are afraid to make a regular shmup thread touhou secondaries won't enter>meetups this, trannies that>when gameplay isn't being discussed you have ERP'ing avatarfags clogging up the thread and are only here to larp>posting in here is like walking through a minefield, you'll never know if the next poster is the CP spammeryou know it fucking sucks to post in these threads when you are being compared to >>729859824
>>729861274At our age we're not concerned with such things.
>>72986144619 was fine you're just whining lole, plus one shit game in a sea of gems is inevitable
>>729861878>sea of gemsSea of diarrhea more like.
>>729861898That's you think my nigga, don't know why you hate it so much, it's objectively the best schmup series ever made
>>729861971Less ESLfaggotry and shit-eating please.
>>729861318Forgot the image.
>>729861993I don't know what your problem is your having you seem angry
>>729862075>these guys know where to find all of the troon subreddits but you're not projecting lol
>>729862109>r/touhou
>>729862080I did say less ESLfaggotry, didn't I?
>>729862075r/touhou isn't a troon subreddit it's just this one weird autist lmfaaaaoooooooooooo
>>729862182come here and make me do it bitch ass faggot you will not do shit virgin
>totally not mad at the truthToo bad that the subreddit is full of trannies like you sis.
>>729862136I was being sarcastic you stupid faggot
>>729850961Cute girls shooting cute bullet patterns.
>>729862241Why do you hate them so much anyway, trannies are SNCA like furries were, really seems like you like them...
>>729861665Show us your girly cosplay unc
>uh it's not full of trannies>e-even if it is, why do you care anyway?Stage 5: Acceptance.
>>729862407it's not doe, it's like a couple autistsThat you seem to fixate on for some reason
>doeSo what's shartycuck doing here? And no, it's full of them.
>>729862605if you go to the supermarket and stare at the fruit section, you can't complain that the supermarket only sells fruit because you only went to look at the fruit
>>729862605They're starting to realize their weird Neo-puritan /pol/ cargo-cult is actually retarded and not as good as this shithole, which is saying a lot.
>>729852231what a joke, newnigger
>>729852347It's basically fantastical and paranormal creatures from all over the world reimagined as cute girls in frilly dresses, all living together in some pocket dimension because humans stopped believing in them.They form factions and try to mess with each other, so when shenanigans ensue they call the overworked shrine maiden supercop to slap some bitches around and get them to behave.
>go to any touhoutroon community>it's full of tranniesNo, they only sell the fruit (trannies) because I'm in a fruitshop (touhou community)
>>729862729Why do you guys even act like you're better than trannies, half of the threads in this board is just gooning to pornand lolicon (drawn child porn for those who don't know)This whole site is filled to the brim with pajeets and pedophiles who just only think about sex and rapeAt least trannies are just trans and annoying but this site is full of pedos just saying
LEAVE THE TRANNIES ALONE!!!
>all this troonhou shilling is just from ESL shartyfagLmao
There's an archive of 5,000+ Touhou games on this Chinese site if anyone cares.http://www.7yzone.com/thread-201730-1-1.html
>>729862729Also sharty is better than this site, they don't have pedophilia and lolicon all of the timethey think about things other than sex and trannies unlinke you guys
>>729863017>over 5000 shovelware garbage for closet trannies
>>729857325>>729859906>>729861274This is why you need male characters or else your fictional world would seem really gay
Talmud is King.
>>729862931Pedos are straight and better than trannies
>>729860443>Did the projector get banned? Good for him, maybe he's behind the CP spam,Because it actually is. Notice how the spam stopped once you argued with him ?
