In defense of (ending spoilers)I fully support Maelle's ending, and I have personal experiences to back it up.Maelle/Alicia is mute, severely burned, missing an eye, suffering from severe emotional trauma, and possibly in somatic pain as well. Her brother is dead. And beyond that, erasing the painting means everything and everyone else she grew to care about will have also died. Yes, she can move on to the real world, but honestly, to what. The somatic pain and issues she deals with in the real world would also be immense.Speaking from personal experience, losing an eye and the ability to speak alone are terrible. There are more issues with losing an eye than you'd think, and not having the ability to consistently speak is horrible, and I can personally attest to that. Chronic pain can also be torturous, which I and may others know for a fact. And she has to deal with the emotional regards as well.It's a choice between an arduous life of suffering plus extra loss from the painting, or a life without the bad and with the good.If she can have time in the painting for her life — which may even be 100+ years — then honestly, it's worth it in my eyes. Yes, it would be very painful for Verso to have to see Maelle slowly die, but it's better than the alternative. Dealing with grief is hard enough on its own, but dealing with *everything* can be impossible, or at the very least, extremely painful for your entire life.
At least in the painting she can be happy, and Verso would probably come to see that, at least a little bit (plus he married Lune and had a kid with her, it seems). Instead of living a life of pain, she can life a life of joy. She can be with those who care about her, and the people of Lumière would be happy as well. Sciel gets Pierre back. Lune gets Verso. Everyone gets someone. Esquie gets François and his many rocks.Maelle and the people of Lumière can be happy and if she can replace a life of severe, untreatable pain (somatic and emotional) with a life of joy and love for her and the people she cares about, then I see it as being worth it, even if it means she will die. Plus, she may even have a longer lifespan in the painting than out of it, and a life with all of the joy and love and none of the pain and suffering is always worth it over a life of nothing but the latter.
The game is over when I shut it offNo one inside noticesCheckmate Maellefags
>>729856141>Maelle/Alicia is mute, severely burned, missing an eye, suffering from severe emotional trauma, and possibly in somatic pain as wellShe can ALWAYS paint more painting and spent time there. Why the fuck people act like she only can alleviate this problems in this particular painting?
>>729856141>Her life's over because the dramatic 16-year-old said soNope, she's wrong. Hence why they wrote her as a ignorant, naïve child. Renoir's right: things will get better, there's no need to kill yourself. Now grow up.>she can be happy, and Verso would probably come to see thatPure insanity. Verso paid the ultimate price to save his sister, but wouldn't be willing to destroy his painting to save her life? There's no argument to be had here; the precedent's been set.
>>729856149>and Verso would probably come to see thatVerso saw his mother "be happy" for hundred years and it killed him inside. He wants Alicia to actually be happy not this
>>729856141>>729856149get out of the canvas, you little idiotyou spit on your brother's memory by killing yourself through hollow ataraxia
Versofags are incapable of processing any message other than escapism bad even though the reasoning for picking verso's ending is to escape a (much less) torturous existence
>>729856141Good thing your "personal experience" don't include any drug addict friends. If you've ever lost someone because of substance abuse you would understand why Maelle's ending is unacceptable even for her, to say nothing of the moral evils she is inflicting upon her dead brother.
losing an eye is pretty much a non issue though >t. blind in 1 eye
The one thing I don't get is what was real life alicia doing during acts 1 and 2? Was she actually in the canvas like her mom and dad and just didn't know? How does she go back into the canvas in act 3 with all the memories of act 1 and 2 maelle?
>>729857216she fucked up when entering the canvas and was painted by her motherso she lived 16 years as just Maellewhen Maelle is Gommaged at the end of act 2, it frees Alicia to remember who she really isshe still remembers those years because she was basically roleplaying as Maelle
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Maellefags love to ignore that she's a control freak who projects all of her own flaws onto the people around her.
The people supporting Verso mostly seem to consider the painted people to not be "real", but that seems pretty ridiculous considering what we see of them.
>>729856141Ah, nothing new under the sun.
>>729857457the first two acts are all about the struggles of the people in lumiere
>enslaving the last part of your dead brother’s soul to paint for an eternityLeave the painting and go create your own canvas, it’s that simple.
If you picked the Maelle ending then how could you turn off your computer or tv ever again? Are you a mass murderer or just high on your own farts?
>>729857336I just don't get how if alicia was maelle and maelle got gommaged, how did she just appear again in act 3
>>729857612because she's a Painterthe Gommage just wiped away the coat of paint over her, but it didn't force her out of the canvas
>>729857457The problem is that the game itself largely treats them this away. Outside of the main cast's emotional disappearance in the Verso ending, the game hardly acknowledges them. Maelle never evn argues for their life, it all about her desires to escape and be with "verso". Hell, most of the people in the painting were dead by the end anyway
>>729857570If I spent a decade magically inside a videogame and all the NPCs became real people with emotions and personalities then I would not kill them for personal gain.
>>729857612killing Maelle in any way just pushes Alicia out of canvas
>>729856141>muteShe's a painter. Assuming she can change the picture on a canvas by touching it, she can communicate by carrying a small one around to write on.>severely burnedHer burns really don't look that bad.>missing an eyeShe's a rich aristocrat. Losing depth perception and some fov sucks, but she doesn't really need it.>suffering from severe emotional traumaAnd that won't be fixed by living in a fantasy world and pretending the trauma doesn't exist.>and possibly in somatic pain as wellIf she was, she would have mentioned that.>Her brother is deadPlenty of people have dead family members and get over it just fine.>And beyond that, erasing the painting means everything and everyone else she grew to care about will have also diedSo agree to stay out and not get addicted, and Renoir will have no reason to destroy it.>The somatic painWhich she doesn't have.>issues she deals with in the real worldShe really doesn't have it even remotely as bad as you're trying to say.
>>729857694>Hell, most of the people in the painting were dead by the end anywayShe says she can bring them back, and she does in her ending.
>>729857705Never close this thread anonThis post is alive and needs you to maintain it for the rest of your life
>>729857150>blind in one eyeHow do you protect yourself against assassinations? Do you lie about which eye you're blind in?
>>729857457They're real (and functionally human), but they're lesser beings relative to the Dessendre family.
>>729857818Most people aren't important enough and don't live in niggerville, so don't need to be wary of that.
How is Verso able to beat Maelle in a duel? Aren't painters supposed to be like gods within the canvas?
>>729857881Verso locked in
>>729857881His mom gifted him with superpowers when she painted him, hence the immortality
>>729857741The people of Lumiere are extremely dubious in that regard. There's like 5 unique character models and they're all colorless. Lumiere is also still ruined. Even Gustave, Sophie, and other people she knew are questionable since she likely doesn't have their chroma.
>>729857881Maelle is canonically shit at painting.
>>729857881He had Simoso equipped
>>729858010>The people of Lumiere are extremely dubious in that regard.When Alicia travels into the painting we literally see her being born as an infant. That seems pretty straightforward to me as far as their sentience goes.
>>729858159and when we see people of Lumerie in Maelle ending they look not normal, not like they looked in first act at all
>first thread where people discuss the actual gameThis must be the most dogshit game ever to have so little discussion.
>>729856141tl;dr>Yes, she can move on to the real world, but honestly, to what.I get this, but the sad reality is that the world is bigger than Maelle. Simple as.I wish I could be there to save her, burned and mute and all, and surely somebody would. But even if not her suffering is small compared to the suffering of everyone else her false reality affects. Sometimes life just sucks fucking dick, and the lesson is that true goodness for the world is just rolling with the punches.
>>729858159My bad, I was kinda unclear. I'm absolutely not doubting that they're sentient. I was talking about Alicia's ending where she has supposedly brought them back.
>>729856141Very based.
>>729857612It actually makes complete sense that Maelle is the only one who can come back because she’s literally a painter, and the very cutscene they should’ve ended the game on makes it clear that Aline painted over Alicia to make Maelle. Renoir gommages Aline’s creations, i.e Maelle. But Alicia is not Aline’s painted creation, she’s real. It’s basically like Maelle is the texture and Alicia is the model.The thing that makes absolutely no sense however is Renoir gommaging all of Aline’s creations, except Verso, who is purely an Aline creation. Maybe you can hand wave this with the invincibility excuse, but no, Renoir starts gommaging Verso when Alicia is being told to fuck off and go home. Then she has just enough power to save Verso, fully restore Lune and Sciel, but not Gustave for some reason, then the zombie army of 33’s, and Renoir paints a 32nd expedition?It’s genuinely stupid as fuck. Act 3 makes no sense when you really examine it and just makes the game worse. Should’ve ended the game on the scene with Maelle being born. It wraps everything up perfectly.
