At least in the painting she can be happy, and Verso would probably come to see that, at least a little bit (plus he married Lune and had a kid with her, it seems). Instead of living a life of pain, she can life a life of joy. She can be with those who care about her, and the people of Lumière would be happy as well. Sciel gets Pierre back. Lune gets Verso. Everyone gets someone. Esquie gets François and his many rocks.

Maelle and the people of Lumière can be happy and if she can replace a life of severe, untreatable pain (somatic and emotional) with a life of joy and love for her and the people she cares about, then I see it as being worth it, even if it means she will die. Plus, she may even have a longer lifespan in the painting than out of it, and a life with all of the joy and love and none of the pain and suffering is always worth it over a life of nothing but the latter.

The game is over when I shut it off
No one inside notices
Checkmate Maellefags

>>729856141
>Maelle/Alicia is mute, severely burned, missing an eye, suffering from severe emotional trauma, and possibly in somatic pain as well
She can ALWAYS paint more painting and spent time there. Why the fuck people act like she only can alleviate this problems in this particular painting?

>>729856141
>Her life's over because the dramatic 16-year-old said so
Nope, she's wrong. Hence why they wrote her as a ignorant, naïve child. Renoir's right: things will get better, there's no need to kill yourself. Now grow up.

>she can be happy, and Verso would probably come to see that
Pure insanity. Verso paid the ultimate price to save his sister, but wouldn't be willing to destroy his painting to save her life? There's no argument to be had here; the precedent's been set.

>>729856149
>and Verso would probably come to see that
Verso saw his mother "be happy" for hundred years and it killed him inside. He wants Alicia to actually be happy not this

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>>729856141
>>729856149
get out of the canvas, you little idiot
you spit on your brother's memory by killing yourself through hollow ataraxia

Versofags are incapable of processing any message other than escapism bad even though the reasoning for picking verso's ending is to escape a (much less) torturous existence

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>>729856141
Good thing your "personal experience" don't include any drug addict friends. If you've ever lost someone because of substance abuse you would understand why Maelle's ending is unacceptable even for her, to say nothing of the moral evils she is inflicting upon her dead brother.

losing an eye is pretty much a non issue though
>t. blind in 1 eye

The one thing I don't get is what was real life alicia doing during acts 1 and 2? Was she actually in the canvas like her mom and dad and just didn't know? How does she go back into the canvas in act 3 with all the memories of act 1 and 2 maelle?

>>729857216
she fucked up when entering the canvas and was painted by her mother
so she lived 16 years as just Maelle
when Maelle is Gommaged at the end of act 2, it frees Alicia to remember who she really is
she still remembers those years because she was basically roleplaying as Maelle

maelle sexo

Maellefags love to ignore that she's a control freak who projects all of her own flaws onto the people around her.

The people supporting Verso mostly seem to consider the painted people to not be "real", but that seems pretty ridiculous considering what we see of them.

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>>729856141
Ah, nothing new under the sun.

>>729857457
the first two acts are all about the struggles of the people in lumiere

>enslaving the last part of your dead brother’s soul to paint for an eternity
Leave the painting and go create your own canvas, it’s that simple.

If you picked the Maelle ending then how could you turn off your computer or tv ever again? Are you a mass murderer or just high on your own farts?

>>729857336
I just don't get how if alicia was maelle and maelle got gommaged, how did she just appear again in act 3

>>729857612
because she's a Painter
the Gommage just wiped away the coat of paint over her, but it didn't force her out of the canvas

>>729857457
The problem is that the game itself largely treats them this away. Outside of the main cast's emotional disappearance in the Verso ending, the game hardly acknowledges them. Maelle never evn argues for their life, it all about her desires to escape and be with "verso". Hell, most of the people in the painting were dead by the end anyway

>>729857570
If I spent a decade magically inside a videogame and all the NPCs became real people with emotions and personalities then I would not kill them for personal gain.

>>729857612
killing Maelle in any way just pushes Alicia out of canvas

>>729856141
>mute
She's a painter. Assuming she can change the picture on a canvas by touching it, she can communicate by carrying a small one around to write on.
>severely burned
Her burns really don't look that bad.
>missing an eye
She's a rich aristocrat. Losing depth perception and some fov sucks, but she doesn't really need it.
>suffering from severe emotional trauma
And that won't be fixed by living in a fantasy world and pretending the trauma doesn't exist.
>and possibly in somatic pain as well
If she was, she would have mentioned that.
>Her brother is dead
Plenty of people have dead family members and get over it just fine.
>And beyond that, erasing the painting means everything and everyone else she grew to care about will have also died
So agree to stay out and not get addicted, and Renoir will have no reason to destroy it.
>The somatic pain
Which she doesn't have.
>issues she deals with in the real world
She really doesn't have it even remotely as bad as you're trying to say.

>>729857694
>Hell, most of the people in the painting were dead by the end anyway
She says she can bring them back, and she does in her ending.

>>729857705
Never close this thread anon
This post is alive and needs you to maintain it for the rest of your life

>>729857150
>blind in one eye
How do you protect yourself against assassinations? Do you lie about which eye you're blind in?

>>729857457
They're real (and functionally human), but they're lesser beings relative to the Dessendre family.

>>729857818
Most people aren't important enough and don't live in niggerville, so don't need to be wary of that.

How is Verso able to beat Maelle in a duel? Aren't painters supposed to be like gods within the canvas?

>>729857881
Verso locked in

>>729857881
His mom gifted him with superpowers when she painted him, hence the immortality

>>729857741
The people of Lumiere are extremely dubious in that regard. There's like 5 unique character models and they're all colorless. Lumiere is also still ruined.
Even Gustave, Sophie, and other people she knew are questionable since she likely doesn't have their chroma.

>>729857881
Maelle is canonically shit at painting.

>>729857881
He had Simoso equipped

>>729858010
>The people of Lumiere are extremely dubious in that regard.
When Alicia travels into the painting we literally see her being born as an infant. That seems pretty straightforward to me as far as their sentience goes.

>>729858159
and when we see people of Lumerie in Maelle ending they look not normal, not like they looked in first act at all

>first thread where people discuss the actual game
This must be the most dogshit game ever to have so little discussion.

>>729856141
tl;dr
>Yes, she can move on to the real world, but honestly, to what.
I get this, but the sad reality is that the world is bigger than Maelle. Simple as.

I wish I could be there to save her, burned and mute and all, and surely somebody would. But even if not her suffering is small compared to the suffering of everyone else her false reality affects. Sometimes life just sucks fucking dick, and the lesson is that true goodness for the world is just rolling with the punches.

>>729858159
My bad, I was kinda unclear. I'm absolutely not doubting that they're sentient. I was talking about Alicia's ending where she has supposedly brought them back.

>>729856141
Very based.

>>729857612
It actually makes complete sense that Maelle is the only one who can come back because she’s literally a painter, and the very cutscene they should’ve ended the game on makes it clear that Aline painted over Alicia to make Maelle. Renoir gommages Aline’s creations, i.e Maelle. But Alicia is not Aline’s painted creation, she’s real. It’s basically like Maelle is the texture and Alicia is the model.

The thing that makes absolutely no sense however is Renoir gommaging all of Aline’s creations, except Verso, who is purely an Aline creation. Maybe you can hand wave this with the invincibility excuse, but no, Renoir starts gommaging Verso when Alicia is being told to fuck off and go home. Then she has just enough power to save Verso, fully restore Lune and Sciel, but not Gustave for some reason, then the zombie army of 33’s, and Renoir paints a 32nd expedition?

It’s genuinely stupid as fuck. Act 3 makes no sense when you really examine it and just makes the game worse. Should’ve ended the game on the scene with Maelle being born. It wraps everything up perfectly.

>>729858305
>first thread where people discuss the actual game
Where were you when we had the 500 previous threads, some of which were even this week?

>>729860117
>not Gustave for some reason
She didn't have Gustave's chroma. She got Lune's and Sciel's in the exact scene you're talking about.
>then the zombie army of 33’s
It was made up of all the previous expeditions, not just 33.
>and Renoir paints a 32nd expedition?
The 32nd were in Lumiere training for their turn and Renoir just repurposed them.

>>729860375
Fair points on the last two. She got Lune and Sciel’s chroma from where? They were all gommaged at the same time, Gustave was killed by Renoir and not a necron. From what I understand, chroma is just the paint, the ability to create something, and she recreates Sciel and Lune by Verso telling her to remember. She then goes on a journey to collect and repurpose all the chroma in the nevron victims, still feels like she could have recreated Gustave. Act 3 has already erased death as final, which is probably the biggest issue of it and turns it into a Marvel movie.

My point is act 3 seems to be playing very loosely with its rules and starts to fall apart. I’d say the story is very tight and consistent to that point. The only real weak parts for me are Lune and Sciel’s girlboss moments in the Axon fights and Renoir and Aline not really seeming trapped in the monolith because they can just walk around the manor and the camp, but I think there’s just a lack of explanation on that in the game and its more of a mystery than outright nonsensical like Verso not being gommaged with everybody else.

>>729856141
why are you spamming these threads you retarded shill?

>>729860823
>She got Lune and Sciel’s chroma from where?
She says "I can see them" and grabs some floating petals. That was the chroma. Now, why their chroma was just floating there in the first place is a better question. Maybe everyone's chroma was floating all over the place and only Lune and Sciel's became visible when Alicia sensed/grabbed them. Or maybe Renoir decided to humor her and give them back. I don't know.
>Gustave was killed by Renoir
Yes, and that means his chroma would have likely been dispersed. It's also likely been weeks or months since he died, considering they had to cross an entire continent, so it might have deteriorated too much anyway.
>chroma is just the paint
Well yes, but it seems you need the specific paint that belonged to someone to recreate them. Verso says it's not about verisimilitude, but essence, so just any chroma won't do.
>Act 3 has already erased death as final
Only to an extent. There's still some rules as to how people can be brought back, even if they're not as hard as before.
>My point is act 3 seems to be playing very loosely with its rules and starts to fall apart
I honestly didn't feel that. Any inconsistencies explained by having new context after the twist, and the previous rules having been wrong or slightly off.
>Renoir and Aline not really seeming trapped in the monolith
I figured that was some kind of astral projection stuff. Their "real" bodies are trapped along with most of their power, but they can still interact with the world to a limited degree.
>Verso not being gommaged with everybody else
Alicia and Clea weren't either. They were probably still being protected by Aline's chroma and needed a more personal touch or a more concentrated effort to erase than the random people of Lumiere. Or maybe Renoir spared him because he wanted to apologize.

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>>729861138
>STOP TALKING ABOUT VIDEOGAMES

>>729861360
> There's still some rules as to how people can be brought back
There not “bringing people back” Aline created perfect copy of Verso with his memories despite Verso being real and dying in real life. You just repaint people

>>729861540
You definitely can bring back painted people if you have their original chroma. We see Alicia do just that with Lune and Sciel. You obviously can't bring back real people or painted people whose chroma is gone.

>>729861629
> You obviously can't bring back real people
Verso is perfect copy with his memories. If you weren’t told that he died in real life you’d say “he was brought back” by your definition

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>>729857079
>unpaint yourself
LMAO!! I'm saving this. Fuck me I haven't been in /v/ for due to holidays and this gave me a hearty kek.

>>729861793
>Verso is perfect copy with his memories.
NTA, but no; Verso only has what memories Alina painted him to have.
In other words, his memories aren't even real.
It's the same how painted Renoir and Renoir were different.

post asian feet lady

>>729861891
What makes memories real. They are painted people, Alicia can paint them perfectly real fake memories. And as pRenoir acts those memories are perfectly “real”

>>729861360
Well thought out response and discussion, bro. I don’t see Alicia and Clea’s painted parts as bad as Verso because they’re secret bosses/areas for act 3 but Verso is literally gommaged as soon as Renoir flips out. The only things that should be in the world at that point are Alicia, Real Verso, Clea and Renoir’s creations.

Both the playable painter or painter based characters have flawed thinking in the final act which makes the endings so great. Verso’s final words are; “i don’t want this life.” Fine, fuck off then, you aren’t the real Verso and shouldn’t genocide the entire world he created, but Alicia in the end reveals she can’t let him go and fails to accept she’s a weak painter. In the end, she’s got a bunch of blank looking npc’s at the door, hasn’t tried to rebuild the world, Lune and Sciel seem to have a look of trapped torture and Gustave/Sophie seem very basic. It really is like a child’s drawing in comparison to Aline who is virtually a god. She’s created true simulated life in a child’s painting, Maelle can only paint what’s around her, only selfishly, and not very well. That’s her curse.

Verso’s ending is better for the family and Alicia can go paint something else, it almost gives a closing arc to her character where she can truly value the art of painting as creation instead of holding up a fantasy world that isn’t hers. But he does effectively destroy the canvas and everything left of the true Verso because he is selfish, he doesn’t want this life. Of course his reasons are shown as Aline being poisoned and killing herself for it, so he does still have that essence of being a family man, but in the end his final words are just about himself. He wants to die, and that in itself never comes across as an impossibility unless the canvas is gone. True Verso is the heart and soul of the world, painted Verso is bitchmade unlike Alicia’s painted version or even Clea’s who takes herself out.

>>729856141
She cannot avenge Verso if she stays in the canvas. She also needs to understand why they killed him. If she stays in that fantasy world she would remains a dead weight to her family.
Personally i'm sure she can recovers her voice with a lot of training.

For some reason I'm almost sure Renoir wouldn't really erase the canvas in Verso's ending.

>>729856141
That's why you're still here you escaping little faggot loser.

>>729856149
>At least in the painting she can be happy

in doing so she's torturing everyone in the painting for her own desires or are you going to argue it doesn't matter because they're not people? Because if that's so..

>>729861629
>muh chroma
What does that actually even mean and how is it functionally ANY different from just repainting the person again normally.