I wanna try Kiseki and I own Trails In the Sky (Non-remake), do I play that, the remake or jump to something like Cold Steel?
I love Bestelle
>>729874773play Sky and Sky 2. If you really like them, you can play Zero and Azure.Then stop there. The rest are all terrible games, equivalent to your standard seasonal low quality derivative isekai anime.
>>729874773Nigger its one continuous timeline. Some games happening just months after the previous. The best experience is to play by release. You will lose out on so much playing any other way.
>>729875458That's exactly what I'm trying to find out, faggot.
>>729875503and I just told you nigger. Now enjoy it.
>>729874773>Do you care about the trash overarching story? Then hop on the Sky 1st Remake.>You don't care about the immaculate worldbuilding?Then jump on Cold Steel or Daybreak.
>>729875618>RemakeIs it worth it over the original? I played a bit of the demo but the animation and voice acting really pissed me off VS the full text dialogue in the original. Does it vastly improve anything?
>>729875684Play the original as remake estelle vs OG estelle are almost different characters. Once you catch up on the series if you like it that much hit the remake up to appreciate it for the graphics and charizard tits.
>>729875684Worth it if you don't care about the localization issue and certain important conversations have this awful situation where a character has voice while another character doesn't because on the original especially the evo version every important conversations are FULLY VOICED.
>>729875229>dont play the 3rdwtf
>>729875229I don't know how people consider fucking crossbell arc good, it has literally 1 good twist and the rest is the entire cast jerking off Lloyd who is basically a Rean clone, also, in this arc is when everyfucking body started to get some title and every body acts smug for some fucking reasonI can't stand it, everyone has no personality, there's no infight, no dynamics, everyone just sucks off each other non stop, they all praise each other "wow ur so good with ur axe randy haha" "uh tiosuke ur great with ur magic haha", wow, what an amazing and insightful dialogue, I can't wait to learn more about the world>hey im lloydo san and I'm a police man, well, not really, i'm a bracer in disguise, but i like justice>haha, what are you saying ellie san? of course I wouldn't touch your tits and fuck you raw, that would be improperI still don't know how the abomination that Lloyd is was allowed to exist and faggots here praise the fucking game and the crossbell arc like retards, Rean, whereas he is also a gary stu self-insert with a demonic power inside him, has some traces of conflicting characterAlso, the fucking crossbell arc NEVER ENDS, it always the same, wow we are free, wow noooo we have been conquered :(, but we are free again, nooo lets break this wall at last, uuaaaaghhh help me, rean-sanit's boring, fucking boring, I wish Crossbell would actually explode
>>729876115>lloyd the character who came first is a clone of rean who came afterhaha, what in tardation
>>729876115>Rean clone??????????
>>729874773Just pirate them in order, unless you want to burn out for a different reason.
>>729876215>>729876240>no argumentsI accept your defeat
>>729876115>lloyd is a Rean clone Wut
>>729874773You play the original Sky trilogy (FC, SC and the 3rd), move on to Crossbell (Zero and Azure), then Cold Steel (CS1-4 and Hajimari), and finally the most recent, ongoing arc.The remake might be a nice game, but it's still only the first game out of three that'd need to be remade, so playing the original, finished Sky trilogy first would be in your best interest.
>>729874773You have to play them all in order. You could just read highlights on sky third.
>>729876115You're baiting but you're partially right. It is very related to Cold Steel, which is part of why the CS games feel even more derivative than those before.The main Crossbell cast has far more personality than Cold Steel's by the sole virtue of it being a small condensed one, it could've ended up worse, but it's not as good as Sky no.
Why do people shit on sky third so much but don't recommend skipping CS 5 which is essentially the same thing?
>>729876775There’s a reason cold steel had to be 5 games long, that’s what it took to actually flesh out the cast. Fortunately they went back to a smaller core team for Kuro but half of them are still irrelevant
>>729876838As gay as CS5 is with rehashing the same plot threads that already got resolved in cs4 it’s pretty tightly focused and not painful to play through. Also it makes Rufus cool
>>729876115Settle down, ok?
>>729876838no one shitting on sky 3 here is telling you not to skip the entirety of Cold Steel.Sky 3 is just a bonus round, go for it if you feel like it.>>729876891You have to be baiting, there's no fleshing out at all since in every game they bloat the cast even further rather than develop the existing ones. All of the characters are one-note tropes throughout the 5 games.
>>7298768383rd is very good but there might be a misconception that its a skippable plot. It doesn't push the overall world story that much despite having very important character moments that crossbell arc continues with. Reverie is a bit more plot critical and you wont get the most out of daybreak by skipping it
>>729876115Crossbell is annoying as fuck, everything else in your post is schizo
>>729876838You have to play 5 to follow the story in daybreak 2.
>>729874773>I own Trails In the Sky (Non-remake), do I play thatUnplayed? So you can refund it? Do that and never come back. Why get into a series where the alleged fanbase hates most of the entries?
>>729876115Yeah I dunno how people make jokes about the Rean harem shit when it started with Lloyd fully.
>>729877165Nah most of them eventually get justice done. Gaius Laura and Elliot probably end up the weakest. The bigger problem with cold steel is how no one is allowed to die ever, ever single tragic character moment is later revealed to be just kidding they are back! Which really undermines what is supposed to be a war story
Why the fuck did it take these games so long to be translated in the west?
might as well play everything anyways cause I'd rather play the whole cold steel arc than whatever slop is coming this january.
>>729877529Because with cold steel it explicitly allowed you to date multiple girls and could switch your “chosen” girl every game. Whereas sky originally had a canon romance that was central to the plot that just shows how far the series has fallen
>>729877636Cheap Falcom and their script per game are fucking massive even the localizers took years to translate Sky FC.
>>729877678The return of my boy Rean will be kino you shut your whore mouth
>>729875229The 3rd is still the best trails game.
>>729877636it used to be one guy being asked to translate more text than there is in the bible. SC had a long wait because the person they hired had a mental breakdown doing it.The other major delay was finally getting around to crossbell. When they missed the window for psp ports it just took forever to contract people to make pc/switch ports
>>729874773I have the remake arriving on Sunday and it will be my first Trails game. Don't let 4chan autism send you down the rabbit hole.
>>729877324I bought it in 2017 and I don't really care what the fanbase things, who's retarded enough to do that?
>>7298768383rd has more dungeon crawling than Reverie and 3rd is basically just a setup game for future games which some fags thinking it can be skipped.
>>729877601Dying isn't the only way to have character development.... I'd argue the dating sim aspect of Cold Steel and the Crossbell games is far more of a problem, since they can't move characters forward due to the -possibility- that they may end up dating Rean and Lloyd. This is more of a problem with the female characters of course.Estelle, Joshua (and Kevin in 3rd) alone go through more character development than the entirety of Class 7.But yes the war in 2 was absolutely dumb, the fact that the whole thing was just """part of the plan""" only made it feel less real in the end. Cold Steel 3 is completely irrelevant to the story and 3 & 4 together undermine the entirety of the erebonian storywriter's integrity. Those 3 are terrible games, CS1 had the most potential but it was unfortunately just a setup game.
>>729874773>Kiseki
>>729876838Personally I recommend skipping all of them.
>>729878131They should have made the last 8 hours of cs3 and cs4 the same game and cut the filler from cs4, it could have been good. When I realized I had to do 5 identical dungeons in a row in 4 after wasting hours watching insane dialogue at a theme park I vomited
>>729878389>should have made the last 8 hours of cs3 and cs4 the same gameI agree. CS3 is another setup/worldbuilding game but they felt they needed to include the batshit insane cliffhanger, which if anything did more harm to CS4's pacing
What's so bad about Cold Steel
>>729878389No it wouldn't have been. You could realistically cut off everything in CS3 other than the final chapter and you wouldn't miss anything. CS4 is also really bad but not as bad as 3.They probably went through development hell due to the engine transition.But yeah the new Class 7's stories are, again, just one-note personalities that did not need multiple chapters to show off. A few cutscenes would've been enough.
>>729878670It's a bloated, five-game arc where the series sold out to a bunch of short-lived early 2010s otaku trends and fucked up the series creative direction going forward.
>>729878749the funny part is that the events of CS3's final chapter are all reverted in CS4 haha........... did you rike it?
>>729878670CS1 and 2 is East EreboniaCS3 and 4 is West Erebonia + Crossbell
>>729877165Cold Steel haters have got to be some of the lowest IQ monkeys out there.
If Falcom really plans to remake Cold Steel, I want atleast for them to remake the first two games solely because the graphics is shit OR remake the whole arc into TWO games with the first is 1 and 2 the second is 3 and 4 simple as. Oh and less filler too couldn't care less if it's faithful.
>>729878809Yet another round of fakeout deaths was gay. If that act 1 it wouldn’t have been necessary. All that was really needed was Rean going crazy and getting taken out of the party, and then the second act could be the search for Rean and then act 3 is confronting the gnomes and chancellor. Nice focused, well paced story
>>729874773Play the original and patch the game with JP voices (the EN dub missed out on a bunch of lines and especially battle voices which make fights seem kinda dull)If you find it boring after a few hours, then just skip and go to Cold Steel. If you find Cold Steel boring after a few hours, then just skip the whole series
>>729874773Trails of Subhumans
>>729878131>the war in 2 was absolutely dumb,It's the high point of the entire series for me and has more drama and character deaths than any other "high stakes" event from prior games.The civil war is the natural consequence of the class conflict within Erebonia that was established all throughout CS1 and, although it was used by Giliath to further his goals, by no means did he cause it. It’s still one of the best written portrayals of actual conflict with thematic depth in the series.
>>729879114I don’t think I could bear playing 1 or 3 again no matter what they do. CS2 could be better if they lost all the temple or looking for d tier lost classmates filler
>>729879430I agree cs2 is to this day my favorite game in the series, but it’s annoying as fuck all the deaths came alive again and the whole thing got framed as just as planned we actually controlled both sides the whole time! It’s actually bewildering to try and keep track of who is on whose side it seems like most of the powerful characters just make up excuses to temporarily aid the antagonist just so the player can have a boss fight
>>729874773You CAN start at Cold Steel, maybe even Daybreak, but for the best experience, it's best to start from the first game and the remake of that is fine. Only issue is the sequel remake not being out yet so if you finish that and want to immediately continue, you'll have to either wait or go play a vastly different game.
>>729876115>Rean clone>bunch of esoteric non-specific issuesIs the fanbase this braindamaged or did i just feed a troll?
>>729878809Olivier's eye was an actual casuality.
>>729880284We will probably find out in daybreak 3 he actually has a demon eye now and it lets him detect other men who will fall for his flirting and this will somehow be central to the big plot twist
How will reans hair and eyes change color in horizon?
>>729874773I'd rather play original than the remake>t.bought remake
>>729876838In a world where you have unlimited time I would tell everyone to play Sky 3rd. It's a strong character driven game but the plot is skippable. If one is trying to play every game in the series, it's okay to save yourself another 70 hours.
>>729878749It wasn't even an engine change, they thought that since it was on a new platform everyone would get lost so they made CS3 an half assed rethread of CS1 to ease everyone in.
>>729881007I became increasingly angry playing CS3 as I realized it was a beat for beat recreation of all of cs1 plot points. Eventually, I grew to hate them
I recently got back into continuing my playthrough of the series. I just finished CS3 and now I'm working on CS4, but only like 15 hours in. CS3 definitely is the weakest in the series, but it picks up steam, though sadly not until the final act. The majority of the game is pretty boring. I'm enjoying CS4 so far, though it's better once you get Rean back but the story is keeping me engaged. It was a SLOG to get through CS3. I'm not sure how fun Reverie is, but that's the next one I have to play. I'm excited to get to the Daybreak series. I actually did play the first hour of Daybreak on PS5 for some reason, but it was only enough to clear the prologue, so not like I really know what's going on or anything about the plot. My plan is to catch up with the series eventually, but I still have three more games to play and Beyond the Horizon is coming out in like two weeks, so that's another game I'll have to play. I guess at least it gives me something to focus on and play for the next few months. Also to answer your question you start with the Sky series, which is the Liberl arc, and then go to the Crossbell Arc, which is Zero and Azure games, and THEN you go to the Cold Steel games which is the Erebonia arc, and also the longest of the series. The Calvard Arc is after that, which is the Daybreak games. Once you get to CS4 the games start incorporating characters from other arcs/countries like Liberl and Crossbell, like Estelle and Joshua are playable in CS4 and show up in the plot alongside people like Renna, KeA, Ellie, Rixia, etc. It helps to have played the Liberl and Crossbell games just for added context and knowing those characters and what occured plot-wise as CS3 and CS4 will reference things that happened in the Crossbell arc and Liberl arcs. Eventually all the games sort of connect to one another, but Rean is obviously the biggest MC of the series and is given the most attention and shown as "Le Chosen One" and has the most significance.
>>729881568Rean doesn’t have that much significance outside of the great twilight which is an erebonian thing. Other than that he’s just a talented swordsman
>>729879592>but it’s annoying as fuck all the deaths came alive againI mean, most of the deaths happened off-screen in combat and weren't retconned, and of the three major character deaths we actually get to experience as a neutral party (Otto, V and C), only one came back after it was established in this game that such a method exists. That's literally one of the final twists with the Giliath reveal.I'd agree that the later games are weaker in that regard, but if you were to view CS1+2 as a conclusive arc, death and the weight of human life feel heavier and more serious than in barely another arc.
>>729881761I say Rean has the most significance just because the Cold Steel series is the longest of the franchise and seems to have more plot than the other games. Rean is a "chosen one" but only in his respective nation and as far as the Erebonia Empire is concerned, but Erebonia is a massive empire compared to other nations in Zumeria. If you look at it, Rean is basically more noteworthy than the Emperor himself and pretty much all the characters in the Erebonia Arc. Every single person in Erebonia sees him with more recognition/fame than the Emperor, and it's a bit funny. That's just how famous and significant he is to the arc, even the more powerful/famous people in the arc are downplayed by Rean's signifance and growth.
>>729874773Just play trails in the sky remake and wait for second chapter next year. Don't bother with any of the other games.
>>729881251CS3 is basically CS1 but now Rean is the instructor teaching new students, but nothing significant happens for the majority of the game until the final act, and even then, it's only in the last like 4-5 hours of the game with Ash shooting the Emperor and the start of the Great TwilightI would venture to say the majority of CS3 is padding for this big reveal/cliffhanger to lead into CS4. You're basically just doing field exercises and doing random shit at the branch campus; that's it. It sucks though because you really can't skip CS3 as you won't understand anything going on in CS4, and it also helps introduce the new characters like Juna and Kurt. We already knew who Altina was, but you also have Ash and Musse, plus the character development as well.
>>729881960What’s interesting about cold steel is it’s actually is Giliath who is the chosen one and Rean only ends up important because Giliath gives him his heart in a 9D chess move to beat ishmelga
Oh BOY! I wonder who THIS could be?!? I have NEVER seen anyone who looks like this character. He looks SIMILAR to a character that DIED, but I don't know...surely it couldn't be him. The developers really think their fanbase is mentally retardedThey even put Crow on the cover of CS4, like that wasn't a massive spoiler
>>729882283I'm only in Act II of CS4, so please don't spoil anything for me. Luck for you I don't know who Ishmelga is, and I already knew Osborne gave Rean his heart, so that didn't really spoil anything for me. Not everyone has caught up to the series yet, and yes, I'm aware we've had plenty of time, but the game series is incredibly long and a slog to playthrough for a lot of people.
>>729882389You are retarded if you thought they expected they were fooling anyone. It was just to establish that he had an alternate personality due to how resurrection works
>>729882515I'm not saying I expected them to fool anyone, retard. I'm saying it was a stupid plot point to even have, but I guess there was no other way to do it. They should have at least given him his mask or covered his whole face, at least the reveal would have been more of a shock value.
>>729882491Oh well make sure you do every side quest so you can get the real ending then
>>729882283Yeah, alot of the events surrounding Rean are simultaneously unfortunate happenstance and 5D chess to set Rean up as the hero. But I'd say that also fits well for Rean as he's partially tragic in that practically most of his life is decided for him. Even the few slivers he gets to decide for himself get upended come the end of CS2.
>>729882612Too late for that. I'm not platniuming the games. If I don't get the "true" ending then I'll look it up on Youtube. I wasn't aware the game had multiple endings, so that's kind of retarded.
>>729882612Falcom is extremely gay for locking the scene that is required for the entire story to make any sense inside the secret ending
>>729879430>The civil war is the natural consequence of the class conflict within Erebonia that was established all throughout CS1 and, although it was used by Giliath to further his goals, by no means did he cause it. It’s still one of the best written portrayals of actual conflict with thematic depth in the series.This would be good if it wasn't a foregone conclusion by the time the game came out. Azure literally went into most of this four years prior.
Will they ever stop doing cutscenes that are half voiced and half not it’s jarring as hell I’d rather it just be all unvoiced if try are just too Jewish to pay for the main cast to have more lines
>>729884014Cheap Falcom at it's finest.
>>729874773Remake's pretty good. I'd start with that.
