At every step, it makes no sense to stick to the Empire.>muh thalmor assetThe only canon things prove that the Thalmor convinced Ulfric that he had damaged the Empire's war effort, and that the civil war benefitted them; there is nothing to suggest that Ulfric is in any way in their pocket or even influenced by them. In game text does note that they hope he doesn't win.>muh racistEveryone in the Elder Scrolls is Racist, tards.>muh Empire must be strongThe Empire has collapsed and been reformed several times. In terms of narrative sense, surely it would be fitting for a new Human Kingdom of Skyrim (where much it all began) to become the staging point for a future reclamation of it? Stormcloaks are not only the better choice for Skyrim than the Imperials, but a better choice for the long-term future of man than the Imperials. It is for this reason that my next Skyrim character will be a Nord Traditionalist Dragonborn with a Khajiit wife, of course.
>>729877287Of course they were they were serving Altmer master race after all.After defeating Empire Ulfric went on diplomatic visit to Summerset Isles to report to his supperiors.
>>729877340>fitting for a new kingdom to remake the empireare you me? I LARP that my Dragonborn will be the next Talos
>>729877340You forgot the most important reason why you should never be an imperial simp>wanted to execute you for no reason without trial
>>729877938never really bothered me because I doubt the Stormcloaks will have some reverance for trials or things like that; the foundation of their state was based essentially on religious fervor and "might makes right." Ancient Nord customs they may be, but if "nooooo I didn't get a fair trial" bothers you then Skyrim under Ulfric won't be much better.I just think the Empire is dying, and its supposed to die, then it can be remade.
>>729877340He’s not in their pocket but if I recall correctly it says the only reason they haven’t reached out is because he’s already doing what they want Also ulfric is a bitch who murdered a sympathetic king in a grab for power
>>729878508>the only reason they haven't reached out is because he's already doing what they wantNot quite true. Yes, a Civil War does suit them-but that doesn't mean he's doing it on their behalf or that he was even manipulated into doing it in the first place. The Stormcloak Rebellion has very clear and justified principles.They believe they can help the Stormcloaks just enough that the Imperials don't win-but they note that Stormcloaks winning would likewise be bad.>bitch who murdered a sympathetic kingPositive sources about him say he was sympathetic, negative ones note he was useless puppet. Nord traditions are traditions; he was welcome to reject the duel if Skyrim was the sort of place where that didn't matter.
>>729877287>"skyrim belongs to the nords!">has an entire town district dedicated to grayskins and lizards at the harbor
>>729879419like most nations in the setting, then. why were there nonhuman races in Cyrodiil, isn't it run by the Imperials?
>claim nords can beat the thalmor without the empire>can't even beat the empire on its own>leader got ambushed and captured at game start. had to be bailed out by alduinthe very premise of the stormcuck is retarded and this has never been refuted.
>>729879537Whiterun has like two redgards at best.
>>729878508>but if I recall correctly it says the only reason they haven’t reached out is because he’s already doing what they wantYeah, what they want is a civil war is a neverending civil war.As long as no one wins it's what they want.And btw no way'd even "reach him".Stormcloaks literally kill Thalmor troops on sight in the game (unlike Imperial soldiers who don't give a shit).The Thalmor officer in Markarth's palace is executed as soon as the city falls in Stormcloak hands
>>729877938This. I don't really give a fuck about intercontinental politics or whatever but the moment they tried shit, I started killing every single Imperial soldiers in the game
>>729877287The Stormcloaks are right, but Ulfric is wrong.
>>729881235Why? Because he's le racist?
>>729881712Racism makes him based.But in all seriousness, it's because he's an incompetent fool. For all his disdain of the Thalmor, he doesn't realize he's unwittingly helping further their plans. He calls for a return to Nordic traditions, but only really calls to implement Imperial tradition from just a few years ago. Leila's retarded, but she's right when she says Ulfric's only looking for power.
>>729881712Because he's a hothead with no long-term planning skills.If the rebellion had a more capable and calculating leader, Stormcloaks would easily secure independence for Skyrim after the war, but with Ulfric it might be way more challenging.
They were wrong. Thread over.
>>729882459>They were wrong. Thread over.
>>729877287ulfric may or may not be thalmor asset. but every single imperial aligned jarl will attend thalmor party openly. but sure, imperials are just biding their time to fight back against the thalmor. two more weeks.
>>729877287The Stormcloaks are literally Taliban/al-Qaida/IS/etc.Financed by an outside power to destabilize everything for everyone near there. Sure, they might eventually bite the hand that fed them(how though since the Dominion sits on the other side of the continent), but until then they fulfilled their purpose perfectly.One talk with Fasendil made me side with the Empire in every playthrough.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNdytbNeJmM
>>729877287>side with Stormcloaks>end the final battle>Ulfric basically tells you to fuck off, he's got a kingdom to run>NPCs in several major cities are pissed at you because their quality of life under the nigcloaks are worse than before>side with the Empire>end final battle>lauded as a hero, thanked profusely>Tullius outright says his next job is to deal with the Thalmor>very few NPC are upset about Empire rule, most just shrugging and saying "at least things are back to normal"Fuck the Nigcloaks.
>>729883026>literally an AltmerFurther comment is unnecessary.
>>729883305>simp thinks a woman's opinion means that the imperials are betterThey don't call you simperials for no reason
>>729883305>foreigners complaining about the locals being in charge of their own homeland againHuge revelation
>>729882540Galmar taking money from the Thalmor is hilarious because he's even more bloodthirsty against elves in particular than Ulfric and has a kill-on-sight attitude towards them.
>>729883437Your leader is so incompetent he was destined for death at the start of the game, it was only a matter of time that he was caught again, this time without being rescued by deus ex dragon.
>>729883345>>729883437It's rather pathetic to counter ingame content with memes, don't you think?
>>729883508>foreignersCarlotta has lived there for most of her life, and is married to a local Nord.
>>729883585You literally listen to words of an Altmer.
>>729883587Is she a Nord?
>>729883585Not as pathetic as >but the le women said the stormcloaks smell bad, therefore cuckllius was rightFact of the matter is that Skyrim is Nord land and deserves to be ruled by Nords. Not by a dying empire that has its tail tucked from being BTFO by the elves once already>w-we'll win next time! Just trust the plan and let your family be kidnapped!
>>729883670>more complaints from foreignersIf anything, you're proving that Stormcloaks are the best option for Nords.
>>729883670>Stormcloaks only support Nord owned businessesYou are just making me like them more
>>729883894>>729883991>the unwashed, uneducated, shit-breath molestors, thieves and murderers are the best optionNigs in my /v/ thread, who'd have guessed.
>>729883740Who called the Dominion out and said they're behind the unrest in Skyrim
>>729884051anything is better than being a cuck
>>729877287ly retarded
>>729884052Who gets booty clapped and lorded over by the Dominion?
>>729877287Of course there right that’s why the great hero and epic Viking dude Hogni the Furious the Dragonborn sided with them in Skyrim the Journey of a Hero!
>>729877287>Account based in Summerset isles
>>729884052>Oh, I am not a huge fan of the racial-supremacist pact that dominates the nation where I have a position of authority in.>Yes, I am the same race as those racial-supremacists, what about it?>Now don't disturb me, I need to go back to crushing the resistance of subjects that got too rowdy about escaping the clutches of said racial-supremacists.Has the same energy as "jews against Israel".
>>729881712Not him but Ulfric is a massive hypocrite who tries to run the Stormcloaks on 'traditional Nord values' while he himself scoffs at them. He used the Thu'um to win an already one-sided fight, has open disdain for other Jarls just because they didn't vote for him, and when Galmar brings up the Jagged Crown as a way to publically endorse his claim Ulfric outright says he doesn't care about history and just wants to smash everyone who's disagreeing with him.Ulfric's a colossal retard who's only notable activity during the War was being captured, and when the Thalmor let him escape he became a cocky colossal retard just like they wanted.
>>729884051>locals practicing local culture? Oy vey, how problematic, they should be following the globalist standards we've enforced through violence
I killed Paarthurnax.
Thalmor was right and it continues to be a shame I can't play as a High Elf (master race) and side with them and go around doing inquisition shit.
>>729884697Unironically yes.Imagine if jeets suddenly got civilised and behaved like normal people instead of jeets.Or muslims.
Incel chud here. Both sides are bad and I should be allowed to kill all sides and have me in charge of everything.
>>729884537But the speaker for the Dark Brotherhood Unra Stoneheart, the Archmage Alyce and new head of the theifs guild Little Hood all sided with the Stormclocks and they're elves in Skyrim the Journey of a Hero! Unra and Alyce are Altmer as well. You can also side with them as an elf in game.
>>729884906>Imagine all these sandniggers and jeets living alongside you, goy, wouldn't that be beautiful?>Don't worry, we'll train them to behave. They will learn in time, we promise, just endure it a little longer.This is the mindset of simperials.
>>729885272>jeetsSorry anonz but the jits stay. Every Nord man is entitled to his cat wife.
>>729877340>Everyone in the Elder Scrolls is Racist, tards.Ask any other race how things changed after Brunwulf takes Winterhold as jarl.
>>729877938You should side with the Thalmor then.
>>729885272Jeets and snad niggers alredy live near you, it would be good if they learned to behave like people.
>>729885453tl;dr it for me
>>729885453>BrunwulfSkyrim was already too generous with the Dunmer considering their history. Brunwulf is just weak and doesn't understand what is at stake. He thinks caring about refugees is more important than preserving his country
>>729885453Khajits are still not allowed within the wallsBlack elves are still self-segregated in that one district they're trying to turn into the shithole they fledLizards still live on the docks
>>729885608>Just accept The New Normal, goy, you are going to like it whether you want it or not.Honestly, I couldn't find a better example of """people""" who support the Empire than you.
>>729879731And why does WHITErun have REDguards?
>>729885901>meanwhile stormcuck's capitol have largest population of non nords of any city in skyrim>including dunnmer and argonian quarters>at same time he complain about imperial importing foreginersSorry anon Ulfric will replace you with argonian workers for half the wage
>>729878508>Also ulfric is a bitch who murdered a sympathetic king in a grab for power>both parties voluntarily engage in a traditional, Nordic duel>one of them is trained in ancient and traditional Nordic warfare arts>NOOOO YOU CAN'T ENGAGE IN YOUR ANCESTORS' CUSTOMS THAT'S RACIST
>>729877287skyrim is a shit game with shitty fanfiction lore. who cares
>>729886102The civil war isn't about immigration. Its about religious and cultural freedom.
>>729877287correct. the cuckpire actively enforced thalmor law within their borders. they understood there was no convincing the imperials that the (((altmer))) needed to be stopped at any cost
>>729886218Nord custom is that you don't fucking use the Voice as a weapon, since last time that happened the guys who did it got their asses beat and were called the n-word.
>729886225You tried
>>729886369>the cuckpire actively enforced thalmor law within their bordersI can see your piss-colored skin glowing from here, Elenwen.
Stormcloaks were literal plants by the elves to give them an excuse to go to war with the empire again.Kinda like how /pol/ and the alt right are a plant for the jews to pass more speech lores to prevent anti-semitism
In the Imperial vs Stormcloak matter, I'm undecided.But I make it a point to slaughter and strip every Thalmor I find on the road, and drag their corpses to the nearest body of water. I need to start carrying more Soul Gems around so I can use their souls to fuel more Thalmor slaughter.
>>729886294goalpost status: movedSo you were complaining about importing non-nords and globohomo, but now it's about cultural and religious freedom...
>places nightshades all around the imperial capital in skyrim, the plant associated with death and decay
>>729886656I wasn't the nigger you were talking to. The civil war in Skyrim is clearly not about immigration. Its a tertiary issue that only some NPCs complain about. The crux of the war is about cultural and religious freedom
>/v/ becomes distinctly more brown and SEAfag infested over the years>slowly transitions to a Stormcloak boardvery interesting
>729886448cringe retard
>>729886903interesting cope
>>729886903>implying those groups aren't beast race players that love the cuckpire>implying /v/ wasn't overwhelmingly in support of the stormcloaks in 2011
>>729886370That is not Nord custom. It's a heretical practice that Jurgen forced on everyone after he got his sphincter torn in half. The Nord forefathers used the Voice as part of war many times before.
>>729887016Khajit women love Nord cock, anon. They always support the Stormcloaks.
>>729887074>IRL ladyboys are khajiit + Nord postersthis makes so much sense
>>729882958lol where's is this from
>>729887138Its a fick nuentes clip
>>729887043It has been custom for literal thousands of years.It's like proclaiming how good of a Christian you are while reading innards because your ancestors did it three thousand years ago.
>>729883305>Oh nooooo>The heckin redguards and imperial women are upset with me!!!>I shouldn't have helped the Nords take their country back!
>>729886656But it was always about reglious freedom, the evil elves wanted to make Nords slaves and stop them from warshipping Talos and the empire are going along with all that. So that's why the empire needs to be defeated to save the Nord viking ways.
>>729877340>The Empire has collapsed and been reformed several times. In terms of narrative sense, surely it would be fitting for a new Human Kingdom of Skyrim (where much it all began) to become the staging point for a future reclamation of it?You're basically gambling that a new Human Empire will arise in time to meet a second Altmer offensive. Putting aside meta-knowledge that this is exactly the sort of thing Beth would have happen, it's a big risk from an in-universe perspective over the safer bet of upholding the Empire. Plus the Nords are somehow gayer than the Imperials with how much fucking bitching they do about a bunch of traditions they're racing each other to break half the time, anyway.
You're both fucking retards now please let me catch a dragon 3 meters from your bedroom window
>>729883305>>Ulfric basically tells you to fuck off, he's got a kingdom to runHe tells you that you deserve a good rest, and your work is done.>>NPCs in several major cities are pissed at you because their quality of life under the nigcloaks are worse than beforeThere are always people upset at you no matter what side you pick.The only difference is that if you side against the Stormcloaks, most of the ones upset at you are Nords. If you side against the Empire, then it's mostly non-nords.
>>729887016Im a White man who plays Argonian and always helps the Storm Cloaks defeat the globohomo empire. My headcanon is that my Nord homies send me off with a smile as I return to Black Marsh to fuck my lizard wife and her big lizard titties. What would you call me?
Nords can't run a country
>>729887939>he doesn't want a pet dragon in his driveway so close he can reach out the window and pet it while sitting up in his bedLoser!
>>729888317>He tells you that you deserve a good rest, and your work is done.Yeah, now that it's about the rule of the country you're supposed to not hog the glory and stay aside so you don't overshadow him.
>>729879731there's at least 7. saadia, nazim, his wife, safir, amren, braith, and that beggar guy.
>>729885708Brunwulf is a war hero and your imaginary threats don't count. The only problem at the moment are the Thalmor.
>>729885769Play the game and read their dialogues.
>>729884458>>729886440
>"We will fight to the last man to remove the Thalmor from our lands!">"Actually removing the Thalmor embassy would be a very tone-deaf political move and we can't justify diverting resources from the Khajit Homeowner Assistance Program at this time."
>>729889410>The only problem at the moment are the ThalmorYes, that's exactly why Brunwulf is retarded
why does the imperial capital in skyrim have so many plants associated with death and decay?
>mfw when Todd and the boys make the stormcloak victory canon, dissolve the empire, and make Imperials a non playable race againholy based
>>729889108You're a warrior. not a politician, retard.What does a warrior do without any more enemies to fight?either rest, or find out where you're needed next.
>>729890119Ulfrics entire claim is based on being a warrior
>>729877287I'm right wing as fuck so of course I went with the white nationalists. They're so chad they made that one troon modder quit the community.
It's the Empire's duty to protect Skyrim. It's not Skyrim's duty to protect the Empire. The Thalmor and by proxy the Empire are committing cultural genocide on Nords by killing anyone even accused of supporting Talos, lighthouse of humanity. Talos himself tells you all this in Morrowind. The Stormcloaks are justified in doing whatever they have to do to expel Altmer and the feeble and racist Tullius. Tullius who calls Nords backwards while he turns a blind eye to his Thalmor babysitters raping the light out of humanity's eyes.
>>729887412Should be an altmer dressed up in a stormcloak uniform then
>>729877287Stormcloaks are race traitors to the real Nords of Skyrim. Worshiping the God of the Empire, Tiber Septim aka (((Talos))), who are owned by the (((Altmer))). The "we're the real Imperials" shit is retarded and anti-Nord. Heil Shor.
Hey Stormtards, remind me what event resulted in Thalmor patrols roaming the country looking for Talos worshippers?
>>729891309I killed each and every one of them.
>>729886751They are growing it discretely to poison all the Altmer at once
>>729885523Fuck that, Dunmer 4 lyfe
>>729877287Why did they make most of the imperial jarls better than the stormcloak jarls
>>729889743AAAAAAAA POTATOES AND TOMATOES?!? IM GOING INSANE!!!!!!!
Hey Simperials, remind me what event resulted in your bussy holes getting gaped by elves?
>>729891012>Talos himself tells you all this in Morrowind.I'm sorry, I must have missed this part, remind me where?
>>729891526no arrow...
The empire ended with Martin Septim. Staying loyal in 4E is made cringe fr fr
>>729891532Didn't the Nords get fucked into submission by Imperials?
Empire>muh resistance is why I sided with Imperials. And it just so happened that Stormcloaks are retards. Also Hadvar was nice to me.
Gee if only there were someone with dragon blood around to be crowned emperor
>>729891920When? The Simperials tucked their tails and submitted to the elves. Thats literally the last thing of note they did. Now they just imprison their own citizens to appease their elf overlords
>>729892008You're owned by the Altmer either way. Take your own side.
>>729892008>I'm a bottom bitch for the cuckpire, and want Hadvar's cockyou'll fit right in
>>729877938They were going to execute you because they judged you to be a stormcloak. The one imperial that thinks you might not be one is the one that saves you. You have to go and get a pardon afterwards because you have been tried and judged to be a stormcloak. Listen and pay attention next time.
>>729892008>being proud of joining the globohomo faction that put you to death
>>729892140>you almost got killed for no reason, but that's actually the law under our glorious empire>the thalmor were presiding over your execution because thats the law under our glorious empire>We're in control! We just let the Thalmor boss us around to make them think they're in charge! Its like 4d chess heh heh. Trust the plan! *tips fedora*
>>729892140>They were going to execute you because they judged you to be a stormcloakBased on? No amount mental gymnastics would make any sane person side with a government that automatically brands you a terrorist for being at the wrong place at the wrong time.
>>729892008>the stormcloaks are poopy buttheads and hadvar is daddyaverage simperial scholar kek
>>729892134>you can't be friends with a man unless you want to gobble his cockAre you a woman?
>>729877287The Khajiit caravaners are solely responsible for distributing skooma as well as the moonsugar to produce it into Skyrim, the Dunmer in Windhelm are entitled dindus who don’t give a shit about the city nor its history yet refuse to move back to Morrowind despite it being habitable, and the Argonians made the genius decision of moving to a frozen tundra as cold blooded amphibious creatures and somehow expecting not to end up on the docks. None of the groups complaining about “oppression” do anything to ingratiate themselves nor assimilate into the culture, instead they expect constant preferential treatment for no reason. You go to Whiterun and there’s a dunmer in the Companions who’s actually trying to prove his worth and they respect him for it. Skyrim is a harsh land and its people respect strength, and it’s why they aren’t efforts to drive the Orcs out.
>>729892362>he was le nice to me! *blushes intensely*You already outed yourself
>>729892489kek it was a pretty gay choice of words wasn't it
>there are people ITT not BretonmaxxingProgress MSQ until you know you’re Dragonborn. Do Dark Brotherhood to kill current Emperor. Join the Imperials right after. Kill Ulfric then send Alduin back to Akatosh. Double status as war hero and dragonborn, press advantage to become Emperor, ideally do Dawnguard for dracolich summon and become Vampire Lord for immortality. Also kill Miraak at some point. Cyrodill needs a new Emperor and no one has a more legitimate claim than you. Any Thalmor objecting gets to meet your two pet dragons.Or just be Nord, join Companions for Wuuthrad and do Stormcloaks but purge yourself of being a werewolf I guess but do you truly love Talos if you’re not going to be a scheming dick like Hjalti Early-Beard?
My wish list for TES VI is that they make the exact same civil war questline, 0 changes other than redguards instead of nords, only to see everyone do a 180 in their choice
Stormcloaks versus Imperials is the simplest litmus test, and so many mouth-breathers got it wrong. Putting aside the most obvious tell right at the beginning of the game:>Hey, should we follow due process or should we just go ahead and cut off this innocent man's head?>HE'S HACKING AND WHACKIN AND--The whole civil war can distilled down to one very simple dichotomy: Freedom versus security. If you are for the Imperials and upholding the Empire, you are no better than the retarded Shu cucks who tried to hold onto the decaying, corrupt Han empire during the Three Kingdoms Era in China. You are actually worse, because you are actively subjugating and persecuting the very peoples you should be protecting by letting the Thalmor do as they please. Benjamin Franklin is literally right there, as one of the founding fathers of America, with all of his beaten-to-death quotes that I'm sure you've heard countless times over and over to know already that valuing security over freedom never works out. For anyone. And yet, somehow, this fucking debate has been going since the year of our Lord 2011. Like it's some complicated, deeply complex quandary that requires profound insight to figure out. The only possible reason anyone would possibly side with the Imperials over the Stormcloaks is due to>MUH RACISM and that was obviously shoehorned in to give some semblance of balance to this dumb-as-fuck "dilemma" that shouldn't require more than a single-digit IQ to figure out regardless. It is painfully obvious the discrimination against the other races was put in there as a way to needlessly villainize the Stormcloaks and give the Imperials a fighting chance in this moral high ground. But even with all of that nonsense, Stormcloaks will never not be be wrong when it comes to the civil war. You do not make peace with evil. You do not compromise with evil or with those who seek to subjugate you. And you do not enforce security to the detriment of freedom.
>>729892629>bretonmaxingBAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH
>>729889663Ulfric was more of a Thalmor ally than Brunwulf.
>>729892949t. Nord meadhead failing to realize swinging his axe is categorically inferior to summoning some Atronachs to do the work for you or throw a fireball and call it a day. Let us not forget Talos’ own heritage too.
>>729892949That’s Benzaie!
>muh raycesIt's insane how your race literally never comes into play in TES. What a load of shit.>B-B-BUT YOU HAVE A MINOR PENALTY TO DISPOSITIONNot an argument.>B-B-BUT THE SMOL INDIE STUDIO (OF 500 STAFF AND OWNED BY MICROSOFT) CAN'T AFFORD TO MAKE REACTIVITY FOR YOUR RACE!Not an argument.>B-B-BUT YOU HAVE LE EPIC RACIAL ABILITIES (WHICH ARE JUST CUSTOM SPELL EFFECTS YOU CAN MAKE YOURSELF)Not an argument.
>>729893319They need to add a slur skill tree in ES VI or the game is a flop
>>7298773401. https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Thalmor_Dossier:_Ulfric_Stormcloak>Under interrogation, we learned of his potential value and he was assigned as an asset to the interrogator, who is now First Emissary Elenwen>He was made to believe information obtained during his interrogation was crucial in the capture of the Imperial City, and then allowed to escape. After the war, contact was established and he has proven his worth as an asset>Operational Notes: Direct contact remains a possibility, but in general the asset should be considered dormant>As long as the civil war proceeds in its current indecisive fashion, we should remain hands-off>A Stormcloak victory is also to be avoided, however, so even indirect aid to the Stormcloaks must be carefully managedHe's an asset in the sense that he's useful to them, but also he is privy to this to some extent, despite being uncooperative. They know he may accept certain prospects from them, therefore he's an asset, but not in the sense that he's a spy who is sympathetic to Thalmor causes and ideology.2. Nobody cares about racism, but don't act like it isn't a motivating factor for the Stormcloaks, or that it's not relevant.3. The Stormcloaks aren't capable of making that happen, they don't have the resources, and Skyrim is not some financial powerhouse like Cyrodil is. They'd get fucking crushed by the Aldmeri Dominion.
>>729893384>all Dunmers start with 100 in that skillDo it Todd.
