>>729878953
I thought Cloud was a soldier, just not the first class one

The worst part about AI is how shitskins think every single image they generate is worthy of threads.

>>729878953
Not necessary but it was a direction to take

The idea is that they want players to believe the story won’t be the same as the original so the fandom can keep debating whether Aerith will survive until the trilogy is finished. I can only defend the idea itself, it’s not bad. It’s the execution that’s fucking horrible and ruined the pacing and overall story experience. If they wanted this idea to actually work, they should have kept the story faithful to the original in the first playthrough and only introduced time jannies in New Game plus and beyond.

>>729878953
All they had to do and all people ever wanted them to do was just remake the game but with cool graphics and maybe expand on a few things here and there.
Instead, we got time janny bullshit.

>>729879021
No

Changing the story? Fine.
Changing the story with something as retarded as the time jannies? No sir, I think that's a poor decision.

I actually rather like the idea of canonizing the original storyline so that all changes must be justified against it. I think it's really clever and invites scrutiny. They could have just told the same story but changed whatever they felt like changing and hid behind "want the original story play the original."
But time jannies is a really dumb and ugly way of doing it. Timeline shit is always cheap and retarded. Wish they chose a different gimmick to achieve the same goal.

>>729878953
what

>>729881013
FFVII Remake has these ghost things that are trying to correct the timeline or something.

>>729878953
No. The new story really isn't good in any way.
I'm not saying that original FF7 story is literary masterpiece, but it's self-contained and to the point, with very good pacing and well handled foreshadowing.
I really don't see how anybody could say it's an improvement.

>>729878953
I think they are good in Remake, but their presence in Rebirth is not executed nor explained in a good way.

>>729878953
yes they're a pretty funny representation of ff7 faggots

>>729884441
You're the one who'll like whatever ff7 product SE wants to sell you. You are an ff7 faggot. And you deal with your blind fanboyism by pretending that the people who are capable of disliking ff7 media are the real fanboys.

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If I thought Remake was a 7/10 and generally don't like nu-Square FF, is Rebirth worth getting? I've heard so many things about it being Ubisoft-like and it's turned me off a bit from checking it out, but I've also heard people say its the best FF game since FFX. Steam reviews don't look amazing...

>>729885074
Everything to dislike about Remake is 100 times worse in Rebirth.

>>729885187
The worst thing about Remake was shimmying sections/walking sections, and general tedium. Rebirth have that?

>>729885228
>does rebirth have general tedium
ha
haha

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yes

>>729885228
Oh boy, you are in for a bad time.

I refuse to criticize SE for putting shit content in these games. The blame is entirely on the player who should know not to play the side content. You will ALWAYS see me posting multiple times in these threads to make clear it's the players fault and not SEs.

>>729884178
Because the time jannies are completely cucked after the battle at the end of Remake.

>>729884994
i dont like ff7 in general thougheverbeit

>>729885228
The general tedium of Remake will look like a thrill ride when you're forcing yourself through the slog of Rebirth

>>729879021
He was a regular trooper. He didn’t have what it needed to be a Shinra Varsity SOLDIER..

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>>729878953
>Were time jannies really a necessary addition to the game?
Yes.

>>729885502
No wonder your contribution to the thread was so invaluable.

>>729885448
What about the mandatory filler content, like having to go through Corneo's sewers second time to get those grappling hooks you easily got in original game?
Or secret Shinra laboratory under Sector 7?
Or Hojo's secret funtime lab?
Was all of that avoidable?

>>729885074
There is a chance you will like it more than remake. The facelift main cities got is amazing. Combat is improved.
Ubishit activites aren’t needed but some of them are tied to summon materia and a superboss, at least the protomateria quests have varied gimmicks (a tower “attack” game, fort condor, battle sims).
Side quests are as inane as ever (something commonplace among japanese games, even Nu-Zelda), but they reward you with manuscripts sometimes so it’s a coin toss if you skip them.

>>729885632
Those sections gave us more time with the characters. Do you hate the characters?

>>729885735
Worth a pirate then?

>>729885228
I can't remember another game from the past decade with as much general tedium as Rebirth.

>>729885532
Lots of slow walking?

>>729885879
Persona 5 just barely fits within the last decade. You can't beat a nusona game when it comes to tedium.

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>>729878953
yes

>>729885961
You're trying your best, aren't you?

>>729885742
I hated how the Shinra lab made Aerith's mom feel really wishy-washy and stupid.
>"Uhm, please don't save her... I am sure that giga corporation that blew up the sector is full of good people."
>half an hour later
>"Oh that giga corporation was doing bad experiments under place that they destroyed? Okay, I guess they were bad people after all."
I hated the Nomura OCs, and I think game would have been better without them.
I hated the Hojo lab because it was total pace breaker near finale of the game, and it made me conscious of not being able to play as Red XIII.

>>729885802
Yeah.
I’m giving Rebirth my open world slop pass since I haven’t played asscreed in ages and the filler stuff was enjoyable sometimes. But you’ll probably be burnt out with games like that for a long while after.
The chicken side quest in Gongaga plays like shit but its ending is amusing enough it warrants an honorable mention. The rest is just be a good guy and do good things 3 times in a row.
OG FFVII was packed with intrusive mini games and they smoked Yakuza crack translating them to Rebirth. Again, most are optional or only require a low rank to progress the story.
If you go for completion or max rank in side activities it is a friggin hard game. Possibly one of the hardest platinums I’ve gotten.

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>>729886093
People blame Nomura for everything but I bet the shitty ones like Kyrie came from Nojima and his retard novels.
The biggest crime of FFVII’s expanded universe is how shitty new characters are, it doesn’t even feel like most creative heads responsible for the original still work there, save for Sakaguchi.

>>729885074
>but I've also heard people say its the best FF game since FFX
it is, but that's not really a high bar

>>729886426
Sad truth. But I honestly think if they released Rebirth as FF17 with similar
Combat systems and better open world content it would’ve been better received than it was.

>>729886019
Have they even made a game in 10 years? I thought they just rereleased old ones. But yeah it's sad to see a new FF7 game being as tedious as a persona game.

>>729886640
Persona 5 was a 2016 release

>>729886753
Damn, that long? That's how close Rebirth comes to being the most tedious game of the past 10 years. They're lucky a persona game just cinched it.

>>729878953
the time jannies are just Gaia (earth) having more tools to protect itself from Sephiroth, and Sephiroth going a step further to defeat it, by going to the life stream and killing the root of the problem, something he didn't do in og. So the whole remake trilogy is just another perspective on the same story, with different plot twists but essentially the same story beats. It's all a matter of you liking meta narrative or not. The thing is that when people hear the words "time travel" they immediately frown because of so many time travel stories that sucked in the past

>>729886865
nice falseflag

>>729879058
Shut the fuck up retard I'm sick of you whiners

>>729886426
Is it better than FFXII? I liked that game at least even if its story was gutted too much

>>729887032
If you went around doing marks and grinding in 12 you might tolerate Rebirth’s ubislop.
Keep in mind both play completely different from one another.

>>729886612
desu it's very easy to fix rebirth's open world. Juts remove the damn checklists and ubisoft towers. These things make you feel like you have to 100% the area before continuing with the story, which completely ruins the pacing.

>>729887121
I mostly liked the most and pacing of FFXII, it was open world but not too big and not too much walking sections & tedium but Rebirth sounds like its kinda more bloated

>>729887227
It's 90% bloat. Rebirth has almost no meat. When you see people discuss it, what do you see them talk about? Nothing. A shit Dyne scene? The botched Aerith shit at the end? Who even knows what else happens? The game is probably 2 hours long if you cut away all the bloat.

>>729887354
Alright I'll skip it thanks for saving my time :D

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>>729887354
>lying on the internet
Did you not know that howlongtobeat.com exists, Mr. Browncel?

>>729887227
Rebirth is split in major zones. Each one has the typical ubitowers and lifesprings, which are the deadest of brain. But once you do them all you unlock a zone boss.
There are also shrines with a simon says minigame that will both empower and make a summon materia battle easier.
Then you get a handful of miniboss encounters with conditions like “don’t get poisoned” and these, like zone bosses, are the fun ones because you get to use the combat and materia system.
Side quests vary but are usually also about combat and Protorelic quests are their own beast for each zone.
Linear story segments between open word zones are pretty lengthy and may refresh your disposition for the open word slop.

>>729887425
No problem. I only wish someone had done the same for me.

>>729887543
Nobody said the game is 2 hours long you retard
Theyre saying it only has 2 hours of worthwhile content

>>729887032
damn anon, they're pretty different games. Rebirth has better characters, but the story can get a bit too wild sometimes. XII is more self contained. You probably already know that 12's combat is mmo-like, so if you like that you should get it. Rebirth's combat is hit or miss, you either love it or hate it

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>>729887543
Haters can't help themselves.

I just want Cid. They had a Jump materia instead and I’m pretty sure it’s worthless.

>>729887676
Cope and seethe, Jimbo.

You also really need to stop responding to yourself, schizo.

>>729878953
If things were reasonable: No, they could've just changed stuff. There was no necessity for an in-universe reason for changes to occur. Especially since many other changes just occurred anyway without a reason.

However things were not reasonable: If they absolutely needed the metatextual nature of the game, then time jannies are necessary, because they cause the artificiality of the game to be at the forefront of the player's mind.

They will make you fight all Weapons in VR.
Emerald and Ruby, too.
Back to back.

>>729887543
you have a very low IQ.

>>729887354
What a fucking retard

>>729885074
i would say that content wise, it's better than X. The end game of Rebirth is actually pretty good. Queen's blood, chocobo racing and the vr fights are better than any side content in X. Story wise? No

>>729887354
This seems to have touched a nerve. You're right though.

They can mess with non canon ideas without compromising ore derailing the originals canon.

>>729888368
it's a sequel so the original is still canon

>>729887354
>spends his entire day shit posting on /v/ and spreading lies
You hater schizos have serious issues.

>>729888368
Nothing can change the originals canon. No sequel or remake has ever done that. That's not a concern.
This doesn't mean the new remake or sequel can't be bad in its own right.
Terminator Genysis didn't ruin Terminator 2 but it was still shit.

>>729888467
In fairness I haven't played Rebirth and I have never seen anyone discuss anything that happens in it other than the Dyne and Aerith scenes which people don't seem to like.
If you give me a list of all the great content in Rebirth it will be the first time I hear of it.

>>729888467
what lies?

>>729888604
Rocket Town was awesome in Rebirth

HISTORY NIGGAS

>>729888797
Good. That was the most disjointed and whatever part in 7.

>>729888604
you didnt hear how annoying it was to traverse gongaga?

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>>729888604
>>729888797
>Rocket Town was awesome in Rebirth
Wutai is the best part of Rebirth, to be completely honest.

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>>729888891
ahh so that's why picrel is a thing. I understand now

>>729888891
Isn’t there the only cutscene with actual blood in the game?

>>729889167
In FF7R they’re just naturally formed command materia encrusted into cliffsides and other places of interest

>>729885228
I Bought Rebirth back when it released on PC because it was at discount, I played FF7R and I generally liked the game but what I absolutely loathed were the fucking mini games, then I saw "gameplay" from Rebirth and it looked like a fucking expansion of just minigames.

Who looks at that and say "this is cool".

>>729889143
I didn't even know Wutai was in it.
The fans of this game seem to spend all their time seething about anyone not liking it (when they're not seething about metaphor or e33 or persona) instead of talking about it. That tells me a lot more than any of the shitposters and haters do.

>>729889357
FF is a series known for intrusive and obnoxious minigames since OG7…
I have no idea why
FF16 was so barebones it had none.

>>729888891
I'm really not ok with anyone criticizing Gongaga traversal. I have several countermeasures ready to go when they do it.

Jimbo is ulting once again

>>729889426
they learned nothing from FF13

>>729889426
There's that but 7 goes overboard with it, I'm playing OG7 since I'm planning buying Renake on Switch, and I'm about to get the plane, this mothefucking game becomes mingames: the game as soon you leave Midgard I'm forcing myself to finish it because I'm already 15 hours in but goddamn, also the series is not that minigames heavy.

>>729889502
Marking this one down as a nerve toucher

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>>729889540
>Jimbo is ulting once again
Remake is being release for Xbox and Switch 2 in 20 days, so he is having another melt down.

I don't really mind though. Remake thread bumps are always good thread bumps.

>>729889894
We've got to get as many switch owners to buy this as we can

One thing I like about FF games is their menus. And fonts. And sound effects navigating.
What’s that called?
FF15 and 7R’s are almost asmr for me.

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>>729886250
Oh yeah, Kyrie felt really out of place in the game... But I thought that Chadley was even worse. Just completely detached from rest of the game.
I am not going to say that Remake didn't have anything good in it, but I genuinely think that all the good parts were things that were already in the original game, hardly any of the extra additions were good.

>>729886152
the piano minigame is my nemesis. I thought i was good at rhythm games but this one requires coordination with both hands. I just can't get the highest score at "two legs nothing to it"

>>729889894
>>729889957
>buying the worst possible version of a bad game
Huh? Why would you do this?
You could get a superior version on PC or PS5 right now. You could even pirate it for your PC right now and have a better version than this "game key" on switch that runs at 30fps with drops.

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>>729890036
Actually, I thought of it a bit more.
And this might might be totally insane take, but I actually thought that Roche was a good addition. His design didn't feel out of place, and there being a crazy motorbike soldier does fit the lore. I also liked his silly 90s hairstyle.
The museum that they make you walk through in the Shinra HQ was also good, it really did feel like something that huge corporation would have.
So yeah, it's not all bad, but I really didn't like most of the additions.

>>729890036
I force myself to treat him as some sort of Navi character.
Such kind of technology to create a complex android like Chadley who himself is capable of formulating complex materia without a lab or a reactor has worldbuilding implications. And he’s not even one of a kind since Mai appears to share similar properties.
You just have to wave off as some annoying cute character made for japanese tastes or whatever.

>>729886250
People who shits on Nomura haven't played WoFF, I love that game to death but its weakest points are the characters and the plot, but once Nomura gets to be Nomura on that game it is noticeable.

>>729890142
I missed S rank because of one note in this one yesterday lmao
But I give this minigame a pass since they only demand A rank for completion purposes and I actually enjoyed trying max rank and giving up just because I wanted to play it, not because there’s a reward or content gated behind.

>>729889894
>I don't really mind though.
Glad to hear it

>>729890305
He’s a complete annoying moron but I actually felt bad for him in the end. So if it was intended, Bravo, Nomura.
We get a severe lack of representation of SOLDIER in the remakes. At least you fought some as random enemies in the OG. One would think Shinra would employ them alongside the Turks.
Maybe that will happen during the Wutai war in part 3.

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>>729889957
Remake is the best looking game on Switch 2. It will sell well for that reason alone.

>>729890146
It's a mystery

>>729887560
this. There's so much disinformation here that the least biased take gets ignored lol

>>729889357

why do westoids hate minigames so much?

>>729890610
I don’t get why people say these games look bad.
The characters are stylized like anime and some textures are low res but you enter a place like Elmyra’s house and you get to see all that late 90s-esque furniture and tube tv systems. It’s even nostalgic.
A lot of detail everywhere.

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>>729890313
What made Kyrie so bad to me was very subjective. I couldn't help but think of Marie from Persona 4 Golden the moment I saw her... and Marie is also a new character added in new version of the game.
Doesn't help that they both have kinda similar design. Silly hat, sleeveless shirt, striped thighhighs... Yes, I know Kyrie was conceived before FF7 Remake in one of those extra novels, but man, seeing her in game really didn't work for me at all.

>>729890539
Pretty much. He was stupid, but I really didn't get same kind of "manufactured appeal" from him as I did from some of the other new characters.

>>729879021
He ostensibly was and even comments as such later in the game (but you know, India tier localization). Maybe primarily due to Hojo's experiments and the jenova cells in his body, he is literally a SOLDIER in terms of power and strength. Maybe even prior to the experiments he was good enough physically, it's never really confirmed. But what is confirmed is he packed mental disaprine so they shunted him into being a mook lol. And then he took down their entire organization and made Sephiroth look like a dumb science BITCH.

>>729890774
there are a handful of scenes which are basically closeups of the main character models in decent surroundings. these moments were made in house for promo shots. they look great.
sadly 90% of the games are outsourced. shit lighting, shit textures, horrible NPCs, the list goes on.
there are moments that look great, but they are infrequent.

>>729879742
What were they thinking, changing the story would've had ruffled some old fans feathers but time jannies was the worst possible way to adress it, it confuses newcomers and only serves to piss off the fans.

>>729890974
Cloud never made it into SOLDIER. Time Jannies even show up out of nowhere and prevents Hojo from spelling it out loud during Remake, because this LARP has serious plot implications in FFVII.
He was submitted to lab experiments which exposed him to Jenova cells like some Soldiers were and effectively was strong as one in the end.
During the first visit to the Crater events in OG he even asks Hojo what was his number and the answer was he had none since he was counted as a failure, and ironically his (Hojo’s) failure was the one to succeed at the Reunion.

>>729888891
Gongaga was a cool zone. Cosmo Canyon was annoying

>>729891275
Both could have been designed better, because pathfinding was a bit tedious.

My favorite map by far is the Corel Region.

Will they cut filler shit like bone village?

>>729891774
Better yet, what are the regions/main cities still missing? Mideel, Wutai, Rocket Town, The Crater?

>>729891760
my favorite zone is Nibel because you can pretty much fly with chocobos

>>729891774
Hopefully it will get turned something interesting; like a place where people excavate cetra things

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>>729878953
they ruined the game and removed any nuance that made the story great by making shinra and sephi the full big bad. Avalanche blowing up the reactor and killing a whole sector was not a plan of shinra in the OG. It was a fuckup of the well intentioned heros.

>>729879021
He was above one physically, but failed the mental test. He had the biggest mako exposure of any soldier that survived and even got jenova cells from hojo. He failed the mental test though, so he was denied the rank not due to missing strength or skill, but due to being a schizo. Thats pretty much the whole reason why avalanche even got past the security in the reactor in the 1st place. Without cloud they would have died instantly.