This thing worth $4?
Big time
>>729880169Didn't the actual developers get kicked out in hostile takeover?
literally has zero combat its trash
no, it was free on epic store
>tumblr nosesyikes
No, it's right wing garbage masked as left wing propaganda.
>>729880169why didn't you get it for free the other day?>>729880261then what's the point? another walking simulator where you have to know das kapital forwards and back to get the true meaning of the story?
>>729880372Delusional.
>>729880169its not a gameyou are basically paying 4 dollars for some reddit communist fan fic
>>729880169Yeah
No for various reasons, including:-it was given away for free-you can pirate it -the developers will never get a penny-its commie gooblygook-its just a book bro its not even a real videogame -you can't even have sex with anyone
>>729880365He's actually a heavy drinker, which does the reddening to your face. Nothing to do with tumblr 'nose'.
>>729880169I think it's a decent game. The writing is very competent. The characters are well written, even though I don't find any of them particularly appealing. The multiple subplots are pretty cool. The pacing especially in the second half is handled very well. The somber and and very grimy noir aesthetic is one of the stand out elements. But I find it far too heavy on exposition and world building. Sure, that can help make the world more believable, but at some point you hit diminishing returns. This might be just a "me" thing, because I don't care one bit about the lore in media I consume, and I'm only concerned with what's happening in the plot, since that's the emotionally-resonant component. Having dry fact dumps takes me out of the experience, since I start thinking that I might as well be learning something useful instead of learning useless information about a fictional world. There's also a lot of attempts at "silly" humor that didn't land at all with me. Some other people got a kick out of it. The random chance gameplay doesn't work well. You're not incentivized at all to just take the losses, since it prevents certain gameplay paths and can get you soft-locked in at least one point in the game, and it's trivial to save scum your way through, which defeats the point of the game's RPG elements. There's a small handful of sequences that you can't save in the middle of, which might make you more reluctant to save scum due to the very low probability of making it through with only successes, but they mostly have to do with optional subplots and are so few and far between that it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. All in all I'm glad I played it, since it's pretty decent, but it's not one of the best games I've ever played and I have no desire to ever replay it.
>>729881513There are definitely incentives for failingNot always, and not always more valuable than just succeeding, but the game definitely tries to make failing either enjoyable or rewarding at points
>>729880169Yes, but don't buy it. The people who made it aren't in the company anymore. Pirate it.
>>729880372this bit unironicallyits leftism blackpilling
oh my heckin glorb is it another disco elysium thread?what is up my fellow non-bigots
>>729880679based rhetoric centrists need to die
The devs shot themselves in the foot advertising this as a commie game when its really just 90s endearment which includes the gommies of the time
>>729880169It was free on epic games a few days ago. You missed out, bucko
its a WEG
>>729881678Let me clarify. Sometimes it's inconsequential and just gives you some silly result, but other times it also locks you out of a gameplay sequence. And often times you have no way of telling which is which ahead of time. So if you have a desire to see as much of the game as you can, then you're still incentivized to just save scum. Which I don't like. The game simply shouldn't give you such tools. But maybe it would be too frustrating because of the randomness. Maybe they shouldn't make it random and just have fixed skill point requirements for certain options, which admittedly would be less nail-biting in some scenes and far less original overall, since so many RPG games do that, but then at least the RPG elements would work, which would also make the game more replayable with different builds instead of just scumming your way through.
>>729882140Watched, expected, got?
>>729881513It's because they were setting up the world for more games, but that's not gonna happen now, so now there's a bunch of lore that leads nowhere besides wikipedia funny facts.
>>729882303western erotic game
>>729882220>So if you have a desire to see as much of the game as you can, then you're still incentivized to just save scumWill you would probably see more of the game with no skill checks, there are a lot of paths that can only be taken by failing or only unlocking after you've run out of other optionsIt's also thematically coherent because Harry is a bumbling drunk and pachinko balls his way through most cases, and savescumming works against that
>>729880372imagine being a communist and realizing this, i would've just given up at that point, it's you vs. the most powerful people on the planet and the clueless majority
>>729880241>Socialists end up facing the wallSame as it ever was
>>729882725It's like in the the planned half life 2 episode 3 story where Freeman reaches the combine home world and sees they've made a dyson sphere and realizes it's al hopeless.
>>729882090I don't mind paying the $4. That's basically a day's worth of coffee.
>>729880169Its like an RPG but without the G because the only gameplay is speech checks.Its also not a detective game because the detective bits are phoned in and give way for the game's political themes and the protag being a loser.
>>729880169pirate it, then watchhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eH6mUTHZ5C4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrVWe_ZCAko
>>729882725
>>729882712I'm not aware of any gameplay paths or subplots that are unlocked or enabled to progress only in case of skill check fails. Yes, you do go down a different branch, but usually it's just a small "failure" branch. I don't recall there being e.g. a subplot locked behind skill check failures. Which ones do you have in mind?
>>729881053>gooblygookgobbledygook is the expression in which you seek, retard and/or ESL-kun
>>729880372There should be a literacy test to post here, Jesus Christ.
Worth playing, but none of the devs are in the company anymore anywayThe game has weird subplots of failed game devs/writers and conflicts between them which read like shiftlinging in the game itself. But when it's trying to be a normal 'nostalgia of 80's Eastern Europe' type setting it's pretty good especially when it's about characters - its rarely about politics in a way that doesnt seem like an attempt to 'paint the 80s Eastern Europe setting' but when it is its kind of shit at it - people who claim its a communist game may be illiterate.Barring some audacious examples the game is actually suicidal about gommunism and as long as you're not insulting Kim (in which case the game gives you a heart attack of cringe), gives you a pass on nationalism/fascism (Harry Du Bwah was a nationalist before his memory loss so bringing it up costs 1 morale)The weakest part of the game is that it's set in a fictional version of Europe while using IRL event points in ways that make no sense but tries to argue for them - its handling of talk of immigration for example makes no sense in the 'East Germany' version of the setting because it, for some reason, is based on USA and western europe immigration topics. It would have been much better if it was historical so it can use historical events and terminology in a clever way and also not make shit up that makes no sense just to have its own plot points wherein otherwise they wouldn't make sense in real Baltic States/East Germany.Though it does do a cool thing where it slowly introduces super natural elements like the pale which end up subverting some of the grit and previous plot points about the grounded setting which also work in tandem in lifting the mood as Harrier stops being an alcoholic (depending on how you play)PS Never clean the mirror, it will make the game much better.Make sure to remove your tie as soon as you start the game, its the shittiest part of it. Overall the game feels incomplete but its worth 4 bucks
>>729881053>>-you can't even have sex with anyoneYou can go on dates and Harry overcomes depression and politics with the power of Friendship
It's worth negative money, you should be paid to play it.
Evrart Claire is the best character.
>>729884237
>>729880169>This thing worth $4?It was free like three days ago, so no.
>>729881856that's just self aware leftism (rarest variant)
Mr. Ilmar is helping me fund my game.
>>729880169Good game. If you want to be a moralfag about it then pirate it due to all the devs getting booted from their own project, otherwise yeah $4 is worth it if you really want it on steam. Has some of the most /lit/ writing I've ever seen in a game. While there's not combat in a traditional RPG sense, you do have to build your character. There's tons of skills you have to allocate points into and gear has star bonuses and negatives. Your stats deeply affect how your character behaves in dialogue and affects your skill check rolls like a tabletop RPG. It's much more engaging than it sounds. Also it's very replayable as your stats affect the dialogue so much that rerolling can completely alter the story.
>>729883778The game just sucks at immersion. People say it has good writing but I have to disagree. It has "good writing" because "good writing" according to gamers just means "more like a book" which disco elysium is as close as you can get to as a videogame by sacrificing any gameplay besides speech stat checks. But the game's setting, characters, what they talk about and what they believe do not fit together. I kept trying to get immersed and give the game a fair chance but fuck me does the game's writing quality go all over the place and I completely lost interest with how terrible the detective mystery plotline was.
>>729885102It makes more sense if you're from Eastern Europe, as the setting is flattering of 90s Eastern European stereotypes but as a westerner I can see it seeming very weird - that period itself was quite odd
>>729880169I was extremely skeptical about it, got it as a gift from an anon a year ago. It's genuinely one of my favorite games. There was huge drama with the developer studio with a hostile takeover and the original developers were apparently communists but the game is really well made, has a good story and well written characters. As for the political agenda, I did my playtrough as a fascist and one as a capitalist and it was pretty fun. The communist path makes fun of communists as much as the other paths make fun of the other political agendas. I'd absolutely recommend it for 4 bucks.
>>729885212It doesn't help that the core community of the game is unselfaware communists that give the game a bad wrap and have low level understanding of the game and it's themes.Instead its just>gommunism>harry is drunk and depressed>harry do drugs>yoo this pale shit is wack
>>729884958What is this?
>>729884237>>729884538I wonder what our world would be like if our elites were all Evrarts versus Joyces rather than what we got
>>729885205No don't get me wrong when the writers tap into their lived experience being eastern euro the writing is good. The problem is any time they try to do other stuff it breaks the immersion for me. Characters like measurehead are literally based on a twitter troll account, you have the random cargo container guy existing to be a lame joke about capitalists, or you have the game reference DMX's where the hood at lyrics (with nigga censored).Any time I would try to get immersed the game would shoot itself in the foot for some lame joke or to reference something.
>>729880169yes.
>>729880169Yeah, the game has a unique feel of a seaside shithole of a city, which absolutely fucking sucks. But you like the way it suckshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxevPfOxCaU
>>729880169Yes. There's a lot of cringey dialogue, but I love everything else about it.
>>729886428>But you like the way it sucksIt's charming in its own way.
>>729880169No, none of the original people responsible for the game are in the company anymore. So if you want to hand money over to a guy who illegally took over the company you should buy it. Probably better off pirating it for your first playthrough though it isn't everyone's cup of tea. I wonder how that lawsuit is going? iirc they haven't settled yet.
>>729886428>>729886796It's the post-depression sadness and resigned helplessness that does it for me. It also helps that Harry is probably one of the best RPG protagonists to get written as his unique brand of schizophrenia and bitterness towards women and the government seep through into all his dialogue without being excessively cringe.
>>729887103I think that certain character aspects appear only depending on the tier of your attributes respectively - mine had no red or yellow stats so he was never angry at women
>>729880372>>729884237>>729884538As schizophrenic the writing gets at times, it's clear the writers had actual talent in making those utter dickheads Evrart and Joyce come over as charismatic.
>>729887103>That last dream about DoraTruly brutal writing, one of the writers must have been in a truly horrendous break-up like that to write that shit.
>>729885415Honestly though the best thing in my opinion is the worldbuilding. The pale and the different islands in it is a genuinely creative and interesting idea. Too bad for the drama and the fact that we won't get to see it explored.
>>729880169If you love communism... yeah.
>>729883778>The weakest part of the game is that it's set in a fictional version of Europe while using IRL event points in ways that make no sense but tries to argue for them - its handling of talk of immigration for example makes no sense in the 'East Germany' version of the setting because it, for some reason, is based on USA and western europe immigration topics>reeeee why isn't this fictional setting a 1:1 analogy for real life locations
>>729880169Yes but you should pirate it instead.
>>729880468>>729880261Its a detective game with "witty" schizo rants. I liked it even though I found a lot of the writing pretentious, but it has moments that are funny like dying from falling over a chair because your coordination is so low
>>729884237He’s an absolute piece of shit, but it’s always interesting to wonder what makes someone like that tick.
>>729888316>Sit on chair>DieKino
>>729881995cringe smiling friends poster.
>>729887351If you picked conservative/nationalist options, the schizo voice will always start talking about hating women. If you keep saying no, it'll just end the convo with, no you hate women just accept it.
>>729888316>giving yourself a brain hemorrhage telling the manager about the cock carouselThat was the highlight of the early game for me, and the talking corpse. >>729887351Int-chads get to ignore Harry's not-so-subtle seething over losing the love of his life but you still get to experience it sometime. To be fair, and one of the greatest parts of this game, all the women seething and nationalist sentiment Harry has is opt-in rather than opt-out. And you can opt-in to the opposite as well. Very engaging, even if ultimately you can tell Harry frames all political philosophy around him getting dumped and coping.>>729887927I assume so yeah, Harry is a strangely realistic wreck considering his wife got an abortion and dumped him suddenly. I know there's debate over the nature of their relationship anons have, but I choose to interpret it that way. Harry could have killed himself and many an anon wouldn't blame him.
>>729888498I'm fairly certain nearly every character you speak too has a chain of dialogue that will lead to Harry making a remark about how he hates women or how they act or something. Not just nationalist/conservative choices.
>>729888251>>reeeee why isn't this fictional setting a 1:1 analogy for real life locationsIt's more that the game has a political topic it wants to discuss, but does so poorly due to a lack of background context for events, which is why specifically the racism stuff doesn't fit the tone of the setting - the kind of race talk present in DE didn't happen in Eastern EuropeThe second reason is it leads to the game describing things in ways they wouldn't make sense IRL which makes them sparsely detailed (stuff relating to Klaasje is made romantically but her professional side is generally ill described)There's a lot of politics economy talk that's all pseudo historical and the game treats them as accurate substitutes in the conversation but does not account for the subtle differences for the sake of making argument - so it doesn't. In general if the game did a better job or was part of a bigger 'setting' it would be fine, but DE is clearly about the people and lacks the worldbuilding fantasy games tend to have leading to a poor resolution of those topics.
>>729880169No, it's a shitty anti-communist propaganda by some butthurt retards. Ironically they get owned by the capitalism in the end and their studio dies.
>>729888739Maybe I have to try it again and do different dialgoue choices. I dont remember much about the game. Other than the character that they had to have binge read bronze age mindset Twitter posts and the cosmic entity hiding in shipping container hidden behind an impossible dice roll i spent hours trying to reload to see.
>>729888840>the kind of race talk present in DE didn't happen in Eastern EuropeBUT IT ISN'T A 1:1 ANALOGY FOR EASTERN EUROPETHERE'S A LARGE AMOUNT OF PARIS INFLUENCE FOR STARTERS
>>729880261"combat" is in the dialogue system
>>729880324I'm not splitting my library and installing chinese spyware
>>729889091But you installed steam botnet already, kike rat.
>>729880324>>729889329Go away, jeet. You're stinking up the place with your smelly curry farts.
>>729889036The game has a lot of cool details, although Harry's seething is imo less hatred and more bottled up bitterness over the circumstances with his ex-wife. Even Measurehead I believe, Harry only gets mildly incendiary mental checks when he starts talking about women or his girls start talking iirc.>>729888840The game actually provides you a near monumental amount of background information for most of the historical events that are referenced, either in mental checks, thoughts, or the characters. And Martinaise is very much NOT Eastern Europe. It's a fusion of post Napoleonic France, Russia after the fall of the Tzar, and California but wrapped in it's own historical context roughly equal to the 1960's I believe. The setting is pretty much fully fictional considering it has a bunch of shit like holes in reality between lands and a global world-government tier illuminati founded by visionaries called Innocences who may or may not be immortal . DE is part of a bigger setting, though we'll never get to see it because the setting is now owned by the ZAUM that kicked out the head writer that was working on the setting for well over two decades in homebrew campaign settings and journals.
>>729889039That's not my point, rather that it pulls from a pastiche of imigration/race talk but rather that the setting working in coherence, it only makes sense from an out of game PoV involving meta knowledge of real life politics/memetics because it's, idk, written under the pretense of being social commentary of 2020s internet politics more than related to the setting? Its undercooked because the setting itself is indecisive regarding the nuances which leads to bad writing - the only plot significant aspect of this is that Harry can /get/ racist but nothing else. A Parisian has different ideas of racism and ethnic hostility than a Balkanite for 'X reasons' but these 'X reasons' is usually missing and mostly inconsistent in Disco Elysium - presented more along the lines of an American racist against everyone, rather than say a Turk angry at Bulgarians and Greeks.
>>729889948It does give context though, except I think for Measurehead, Kim's people came over back when the place was more prosperous under the King, and it's been roughly three or so generations. Well enough time for there to be a build up of racist sentiment among natives, just like what happened with the Asians in California during the gold rush. Admittedly, I do so your point that it feels more like a pointless inclusion for world building as the setting doesn't try to explore it too deeply.
>>729880241Got what they voted for
>>729891224Aren't they suing the guy over it?
>he didnt find the Insulindian Phasmid and try to romance it
>>729892148>implying
>>729880169Short answer: yesLonger answer: don't get it if you don't like dialog and lore.
>>729892148>wanting to fuck a bug
>>729880169it's $4. why are you asking? if $4 is a lot to you then you probably shouldn't be buying it in the first place
>>729882220This is a strange complaint.Game where player choices have lasting impact on gameplay>OMG I HAVE TO SAVE SCUM IF I WANT TO ENJOY THE ENTIRE GAME I HATE ITGame where player choices have no lasting impact on gameplay>OMG THIS GAME IS SO SHALLOW LIKE SKYRIM NOTHING I DO MATTERS I HATE ITDevs can never win.
>>729887927>>This is real darkness, Harry. It's not war, or death, or child molestation. Real darkness has love for a face. The first death is in the heart.>See you tomorrow
we all agree that evrart was overall a good guy right? like if left to rule he would've improved revachol and it would've been an overall positive
>>729892469Hollow Knight is 8 year old gameBugfucking isn't some wild niche anymore
>>729892807Evrart was a greedy jew so any short term good he could have done would have been for naught in the future where he lets his greed get the better of him. He's not trustworthy, but no one is. He simply treats his underlings well like any good boss.
>>729893136why do you think hes greedy though? I honestly believe he has revachols best interest at heart.
>>729892930Yeah, but isn't that bug a slut? Who'd want to fuck it?
>>729880169Yes, but also no.The original devs got fucked over and fired so there's no reason to buy it.Just pirate it. If you like it, you didn't support backstabbers. If you think it's slop, you're not out any money.
>>729887751Joyce was pleasant to talk to. I personally don't think she came off as a dickhead at all, considering her status. She's one of the least judgemental characters and is pretty much the only character in the game who is willing to seriously talk about the Pale. And who has kept her sanity despite being exposed to it for extended periods of time.
>>729893212>Wants you to trick a village into giving up their land rights so that he can buy them up and develop the area>tries to bribe a cop>is pretending to be two people to circumvent term limitsGee, I don't know. I wonder why I would think he's greedy. None of those are truly indicative of greed, but they're indicative of people who think more about and with money than those that don't.
>>729893764>Wants you to trick a village into giving up their land rights so that he can buy them up and develop the areaThis is for the betterment of revachol as a whole though, and there is no trickery in this either, if you are fully clear with the villagers they'll still sign, yes it's shitty for them to be displaced but he has a history of offering help to the disadvantaged (renee, the disabled dockworker guy, etc), and his plans here would certainly be condusive to a better revachol, surely you agree right?>tries to bribe a copand? you wouldnt? some retarded drunk cop arrives into your town obviously you would try and get him to do shit to help you.>is pretending to be two people to circumvent term limitstheres no definitive proof for this, though it leans towards edgar being a real person, remember when the deserter talked about meeting them both at the same time?
Its really fucking shortI thought the halfway point was the shootout, but that was basically the end - just walk to the suspect and it's over.
>>729889039I think 'Paris' is really supposed to be Sur-la-Clef rather than Revachol. Revachol feels like an old, shitty town with loads of history somewhere near the border rather than a bustling city.
>>729894183No it's not. Steam says I spent 34 hours in it, and it's not counting the first day, which I played on the pirated copy.
>>729885541mr. Ilmar is helping me fund my game. boot up DE and see what's new on the title screen
>>729894183You must've skipped a lot of sidequests if so. Did you start the nightclub? Did you do one of the political vision quests? Did you find the hole in reality? Did you call your wife? Sleep in the mattress right before facing the suspect? Find the bug? Practice cryptozoology? It took me over 30 hours to finish it myself.
>>729894340It took me 15 hours and I only had 1 incomplete quest by then (talk to smoker guy by 21:00)
>>729880169>Psy>Sorry Cop>MoralistDoing blatantly sketchy shit and then profusely apologizing and always talking about doing what's best for stability but rarely acting that out is fun. Even better when the game calls you out for being a massive hypocrite. And your response can be "You're do right, I'm awful, I'm sorry"
>>729894515>Did you start the nightclub? Did you do one of the political vision quests? Did you find the hole in reality? Did you call your wife? Sleep in the mattress right before facing the suspect? Find the bug? Practice cryptozoology? Yes, every single one of those. And helped Cuno, Cindy, got a merc contract for 2000000 real, killed all 3 mercs, went on a walk and got a sword and helped the woman find her husband. plus got some litty dice
>>729894127>trusting the deserterI wouldn't personally. I don't think Evrart really has the best interest of Revachol at heart, it just coincides that his best interest currently is aligned with something that may be beneficial for Revachol. Also, he's a capitalist business man in a game made by unashamed communists, he's fat, he's basically the capitalist pig archetype rolled into a character. That's not to say that outside of the artist's interpretation he can't be a character that's ultimately a force for the betterment of the city, though simply I think he's got a silver enough tongue to convince people that he means well. Ultimately, his goal is to make more money. He helps people as investments, either the community's opinion or for financial gain.
>>729894669You're probably just a fast reader is all. I would say it'd take most people 25-40 hours to finish the game.
>>729894669Got the phasmid? I thought the game was relatively lengthy with all the stuff going on and all the secret encounters you could get up to or learn about. Not huge but certainly around 30-40.
>>729894591That quest you didn't complete is one of the more interesting ones (when it comes to learning about the game's lore) and is really short. I would reload one of my saves and give it a shot if I were you. You get to meet the closest thing DE has to a proper antagonist.
>>729892756I fail to see how what you wrote has anything at all to do with what I said. Nothing I said had to do with criticizing the game having or not having player choices be impactful. I was criticizing the skill check system being random. Could you clarify what you meant and how it's relevant?
>>729894621>Game calls you out for being an idealist empath who has no actual plans to do anything of note>Game lets you confirm that you are indeed an idealist who plans to do nothing with what he's learnedBased?>>729894497I truly wish luck to all the artists involved on this game, because it seems interesting enough despite the name change being indicative of poor leadership decisions. Despite that, I will not be buying mainly because ZAUM is currently even gayer than the old one and cucked by jewish capital.
>>729888739I was full moralist and I don't remember any of this
>>729892756This is just an issue with the genre and player psychology that isn't possible for devs to really overcome. Disco did it the best, you really cannot fail even if you're an incompetent retard and you will eventually get an ending, but you can't please everyone and there's always going to be a player complaining about save scumming. The best you can do is leaving big choices to fork the game and letting the small choices do nothing but as I like to say, in pleasing everyone you create an experience for no one.
>>729895296Even a moralist, you can run into a dialogue choice with a character that will let you say some truly blackpilled shit about women. Like the manager guy, the nightclub dudes, Klaasje, the students outside the church iirc. Nevermind Harry's dreams and some of his interpretations of stuff like Dolores.
>>729888498The schizo voice? Endurance is no schizo. He's perfectly sane and logical. Men of Wö need to go back to the fucking kitchen.
>>729880169Get it next time it's free. Pay game devs what they're worth.
>>729895225To be fair considering that the Game explicitly tells you nothing you can do will change the future meaningfully, it can't really blame you for saying "Well Sorry I can't do anything"
>>729895505>*sharts himself*
>>729895225Zero Parades still somehow looks more intruding than Hopetown which makes me wonder how much of which talent went where - if the Drama is true why would anyone stay in the shit conditions of ZA/UM
>>729880169people pay for this communist propaganda?
why does nobody understand that I don't want to play as a man of wö?
>>729896065They understand anon, they just want to force you to play as one. I personally don't mind playing as one as long as the story and gameplay is actually built to have one in mind, like playing Elizabeth in the Bioshock DLC.>>729895898Probably something about commissions or your average grunt not actually caring too much about what game they're producing. The only reason the original set of writers and guys had so much drama is that they founded the company and they spent more than a few years working on the setting they hoped could become a franchise. It's genuinely the sort of thing that if it happened to me, I would pursue violence instead of lawsuits. Though as I've read they've received sizeable compensation already on top of a second set of lawsuits for the hostile takeover.As for why would anyone stay, I imagine your average guy doesn't care too much as long as they're getting paid.
>>729880372but that shit is true
>>729880372>complaining about capital >right wing ever
>>729894307mate there was a fucking failed communist revolution called the commune what more evidence do you need that paris was a heavy inspiration
>>729894307Reminder that you only see a small, bombed out shithole section of a way larger city that people forget even exists and that's likely deliberately kept ruined. So forgotten that the police can't even be bothered to establish itself in it.
>>729880241Even better
>>729897993The district your in is implied to be more gone than the rest of the city given it has no local police precinct.
Buy Zero Parades instead to support the real game creators
