What's the difference between a Thief and a Rogue?
>>729885241>RogueA bat with big tits.
>>729885337That's not how you spell her name.
>ThiefBreaking and entering>RogueConman
>>729885241One is focused on out of combat utility mechanics and the other is focused on trap building while duelists are a straightforward evasion tank and assassins are stealth glass cannons. Ninjas cast weird magic with weird weapons.
a thief is a lockpicking/pickpocket/disarm traps typea rogue is a stealth character
What’s the difference between a Mexican and a spic? Same thing different words. That being said I’ll bite on the bait and say thief’s would have higher charisma stats than a rogue and a rogue would have higher agility than a thief
>>729885593yeah i always thought Rogues were intentionally social and thieves are rarely seen at all,
>>729885623>thieves dont have to avoid being seenliteral retard>>729885627you stop being a spastic too, just talk normally
>>729885241Thief>More sneaky. Robs you where you won't notice until their gone.Rogue>More charming. Robs you with a kind word and a sword.Bandit>More brutish. Robs you with his fists in your face.
one steals the other bitches put on their face
Theif steals your heart
>>729885337
The Thief is thieving, whereas the Rogue would much rather be roguing
>>729885778You're the only one that seems to get it.Rogue implies a certain guile or romance whearas a thief is just gonna take your shit however they can.
A rogue is the skillmonkey of the party, a thief is a rogue that uses said skills to steal things.
>>729885764They don't, though it does make their job easier.
>>729885241Rogue put more points into cha than dex, thief did the opposite.
>>729885241Why can't a warrior pick up lock?
>>729885241I always saw a thief as being a more specialized rogue. A rogue can do everything a thief can do but is also good at talking to people and can do a good amount of damage from stealth or range while a thief is more stealthy and avoids confrontations when they can.
>>729885241Thieves tip toe around and rogues hunch over and shuffle
>>729887070I always thought warriors, barbarians, fighters and other melee class specializations, should be able to break locks on doors or chests at the expense of the homeowner or guards being alerted to the noise, or the treasure in the chest having the potential to be broken or degraded from the warriors strength. Also wizards, mages, sorcerers should be able to make unlocking spells for doors and chests too.
>>729887070they can
>>729885241Sometimes they are one and the same, but rogues can share some similarities with assassins, which are more battle oriented thieves. Depends on the game.
What about the difference between a Mage and a Sorcerer?
Thief sounds cool and mysteriousRogue sounds as something that weeb, woman or even a jeet would play.
>>729887607Mages are girls and sorcerers are boys with big beards and hats
A thief is a criminal that specializes in breaking and enteringA rogue is just a general rapscallion who may not even know how to break locks or fiddle with traps. It might even be more of a fighter/thief hybrid if they do know
>>729887070heavy armor dexterity penalty. Can't finesse your hand when you're wearing plated gauntlets
>>729885241Rogue is one of the class promotions for thieves.
>>729887819what game
>>729887237>should be able to break locks on doors or chests at the expense of the homeowner or guards being alerted to the noiseBut warriors can be stealthy?
>>729885241A rogue is a charismatic conman. The "dashing rogue" archetype. A thief just steals things.
>>729886065No, a thief is gonna take your stuff without you knowing
A thief should be trying to avoid direct combat too. Hes not terrible at it but would prefer not to engage foes that may potentially be stronger and more trained. A rogue doesn't mind combat if caught.
Thieves were a mistakeclasses are either fighters or wizards, everything else is mental illness
>>729885241All thieves are rogues but not all rogues are thieves.
>>729888524What about clerics? They were part of the original 3
>>729887995some 250lbs gargantuan in his clanky armor can not be stealthy
>>729888605Clerics can pass.
>>729888605tolerated, barelythey were made to combat a vampire character in a blackmoor campaign
>>729888692>all warriors are 250lbs, gargantuan, and use "clanky armor"what game
>>729888771did they succeeded?
>>729888887the vampire was a PC so I can't imagine that it did
>>729887671>hes too young to have ever heard the phrase "dashing rogue"
>>729887607One has book smarts One has street smarts
>>729889015>PC>90% of whom are retards or even brownClerics can certainly pass.
>>729889251this was in the 1970s so more like 80%
>>729888115>walk up to you while you're shitposting in public>grab your cell phone>keep walking because i know you wont do anything>not a thief because you saw me
Conan the Barbarian is a ThiefRobin of Locksley is a Rogue
>>729885241Thief is a skill monkey that is pretty fucking bad at direct combat. Rogue is more suited for combat but he's not as good at being a skill monkey as a thief.
>>729889204there's also the Guru class which has street sharts
>>729888692Then remove the armor?
>>729889726there's also the carnivore class which has meat farts
>>729888858games when muscles and coherence matter
>>729889860such as
One of them is not so often accused of being cosmetic.
>>729889890Little witch Nobeta
>>729890016little witch nobeta doesn't have classes
Whats the poi nt of having all these sub classes????When you apply it in game its literally a few stat point difference at the beginning
>>729890116>at the beginningand at the end, one gets a fighter-like feat and some other can suddenly hide in the middle of the empty lawn in an well-lit football station. What is your point?
>>729890116"Balance" in segregating all of the skills from one another.Otherwise everyone would become a Stealth Archer or whatever is most meta in the system.
>>729890116At least a plurality of people don't want to be pigeon holed into being the exact same as every other guy out there.
>>729885241Rogue specialises in all things sneaky, but a Thief is more specialised and focused on stealing shit.
Of the common rogue specialisations (Thief, Assassin, Dualist, Ranger, Ninja), which is the best one?
>>729887607One worked for their power, the other had ancestors who fucked a dragon.
>>729885241For TES, Thief has pure thief skills while Rogue is a hybrid between thief and warrior that has more weapon variety than a pure thief while having less defensive options than a pure warrior. This distinction was more pronounced in earlier TES games due to the variety of skills, while in Oblivion the major playstyle separation is that Rogues are agile melee characters with social skills while Thieves are stealth archers who can actually steal things effectively plus pick locks. In any case, magic allows you to do so much in Oblivion that there’s no reason to play a thief or shitty hybrid class to begin with once you have an understanding of how to utilize certain spells, the spell maker, and alchemy.
>>729887607I always hated the art for sorcerer, why does he have a shield?
This is a monk, weebs need not to apply.
>>729891196>Fantasy monk>Badass Sun Wukong quarterstaff martial arts champion with supernatural powers who can crush dragons and armored warriors with just his staff, robe and immense agility and martial arts prowess.>Real life monk>Some civilian who gets destroyed by common thugs.
>>729885241All Thieves are Rogues but not all Rogues are Thieves
>>729889570>Someone who actually knows of Conan's sneaky side
>>729889551Yeah, you robbed me
>>729889570>>729891508>He unironically read the conan books.Dumb troglodyte cuck.Imagine wasting your life reading this barbaric lower literature of a half naked cuck just slamming things with his axe for 500 pages.
>>729891508that and gygax did stat conan as a fighter/thief multiclass
>>729885241>RogueGeneral criminal.>ThiefSpecific criminal.
>>729891375>white monk>societys mercy toward the swamp ass autist incel class, allowing them to live in peace wearing the same clothes daily and obsessing over one subject: jewish folklore>chinkoid monk>chuds, essentially
>>729885337Thieves don't kill, they just steal.Rogues have no such qualms.Some of my favorite playthroughs in Elder Scrolls games were as stealth mages. Little to no direct damage, just stealth and illusion n shit.
>>729890826unless you walk in JRPG territory, ranger is never a rogue class
>>729885241thief - nounplural thieves ˈthēvz : one that steals especially stealthily or secretlyalso : one who commits theft or larcenyrogue - noun1 old-fashioned : a dishonest or worthless person : scoundrel2 : a mischievous person : scamp3 : vagrant, tramp4 : a horse inclined to shirk or misbehave5 : an individual exhibiting a chance and usually inferior biological variationWotC switched from thief to rogue because it has less negative cultural bagage.
>>729892293>WotC switched from thief to rogue because it has less negative cultural bagage.Ding dong, we have a winner
>>729891872>General criminal.False, not all Rogues are criminals. Scouts and Spies for example are Rogues
>>729891905Bru their incredible contributions to culture and community? Aka mostly brewing booze
I wish we got more thieflikes instead of roguelikes.
>>729893749Jew!
Games with classes that matter and have unique gameplay but I don't need to min-max or get soft-locked?
>>729885241Both are primarily non-combat roles >Thiefexpert at slight of hand, lockpicking, and trap disarming. will be more useful in dungeon exploration, and do everything to keep out of combat. Think Chilchuck Tims from Dungeon Meshi >Rogue Still a pretty sneaky guy, and capable of pickpocketing but instead of being adept at disarming things and going unnoticed they are known for their silver tongue and being lucky enough to get out of any situation unharmed. A little better at fighting than the thief and not above fighting dirty but they're not a duelist. A guy will steal everything you got right in front of you, not someone who does it without you noticing thembasically, do you want someone who's got utility or someone who's got high charisma on another tangent, video games are usually combat focused and get these roles wrong since a thief ends up being a guy who's only job is to pickpocket the enemy and not much else and the rogue is a guy who has a sneak attack and some poisons but neither of these fulfill the fantasy of being a thief and a rogue very well
>>729893937I said thief not merchant
>>729885241i once played a rogue it was either 2nd ed or 3rd ed, who was more like a bruiser, can't remember the actual subclass name. lived and thrived in the slums, extortion, doorman for shady business, streetwise, thieves' cant, etc. total mad lad type, not sneak in the shadows type. and bards used to be a rogue class.so i think rogue is an umbrella which also includes other rogue-ish classes (ninja, thief, bard etc), and thief is one of those - with your typical sneaky backstab pick locks playstyle.
>>729893948Every singleplayer RPG. People needing to meta-build and jerk about "muh crit-rate vs.attacks per round bro!" in those piss-easy HP inflation games are retarded and/or illiterate
>>729885898Why do video games still prevent me from making cool characters like this? It's always some faggy paladin in WoW armor.
>>729894107I love roguelikes.The world needs more roguelikes, not thieflikes.I never played the original Thief so I don't know anything about it.
>>729885241Thief is a special case of rogue.
>>729885241>im an artificer>bro it is d&d and you made a choice to be a fucking nerd?
>thiefBurglar archetype. smash and grab, steal shit, use magic scrolls warriors wont use.>roguesomeone who uses stealth, social manipulation, or otherwise 'precision' style attacks or skills. A warrior might smash a door down, a rogue would pick the lock and check for traps.
>>729894462You're right, I shouldn't have said less roguelikes. Haven't really gotten into them myself but I do appreciate how it adds replayability. Thief is great though, I recommend.
>>729890116classes only exist to encompass as specific fantasy magic users are a thing in most fantasy and this idea of an old magic dude who reads books became the wizard but not every magic user is like this, so the ones who sell their souls to the devil become warlocks and the magic bloods become sorcerersbut even with the wizard arch-type there are specific differences. so thats why you get subclassesso the old dude who focuses this studies on using the dead for power becomes the necromancer and the old dude who mostly casts fireballs is part of the School of Evocation
>roguesteals using charisma>thiefsteals using stealth>banditsteals using intimidation
>>729887607wizards are autistic and sorcerers are nepobabies
whats the difference between a Ranger and a Ranger
>>729887607A mage is a bookworm nerd, a Sorcerer is a savant
>>729895024One is in a forest and one is in the military.
Which one is a frontline brute like a warrior but also has stealth, acrobatics and lockpicking skills?
>>729895327The Self-insert
>thiefGypsy>rogueJew
>>729888524sure in games that are only combat focused reducing a thief/rogue into the class that's only job is to debuff, and crit either makes them fall off entirely at end game or make them the most powerful class in the gameso the challenge should be making a game where a thief's utility uses can be used throughout a game instead of being a fighter who crits
>>729895024>Rangertracker, hunter, survivalist. Knows which berries will kill you. Think Aragorn or a park ranger with a bow>Rangerlaw enforcement officer covering large territories. The "lone ranger" archetype
>>729895024One is for when you need a pointman, the other makes orcs SUFFER HIM NOW
>>729885241why is Oblivion class artwork so zesty?
>>729887070they can but normally have to also spec into their armor use, weapon proficiency, and general combat skills so they end up sacrificing somethingwhere a thief/rogue is a skill monkey who stays out of combat but is really good at that stuff
>>729892053>stealth mages. Little to no direct damage, just stealth and illusion n shit.Sounds fun, but I think a stealth character that uses bow and arrows would be more original.A stealth archer if you will.
>>729888524When your campaigns "fights" are in the king's court or at the merchants negotiation table the fighter is practically a inventory mule
>>729887607a wizard is an old, learned man in a towera mage is a courtly advisor to the kinga sorcerer is a purveyor of cheap tricks
>>729885241>Thief Agility/Personality. In oblivion, it gets All stealth Skills. In Morrowind, it is the same, but its minor skills are hand-to-hand, Marksman, Mercentile and Speechcraft. It also gets athletics as a minor skill.>Rogue: Personality/SpeedIn Oblivion, it gets Athletics, Blade, and Block from Combat, Alchemy and Illusion from Magic, and Light Armor and Mercentile from StealthIn Morrowind, it's Major skills are Axe, Acrobatics, Hand-to-Hand, Mercentile, and Short Blade. It's minor Skills are Athletics, Block, Long Blade, Medium Armor, and Speechcraft>>729887607>Mage: Int/Wis. In oblivion, it gets all Magic Skills. In Morrowind, it's the same, but its minor skills are Alcheny, Conjuration, Enchant, and Unarmored. It also gets short blade as a Minor skill.>Sorcerer: End/Int. In Oblivion, it's the same as Mage except Illusion is swapped for Heavy Armor. In Morrowind, it gets medium armor, heavy armor, illusion, marksman, and Short Blade as minor skills, doesn't get Alchemy, Restoration, or unarmored. It's major skills are the remaining Magic Skills.
>>729887607a Mage is either a generic term for all magic users but can alternatively thought as a magic user with amateur understanding of magic and its uses but has became somewhat adept. Think someone who never took any guitar lessons to any great extent but has learned a thing or two from just practicing Perhaps they have some magic blood, perhaps they're just good at learning. they don't really knowaccording to D&D, a Sorcerer specifically has special magic lineage. usually a dragon ancestor and draw their power from that lineage. otherwise their "source"
>>729896119anyone who isn't a caster is pretty much a mule in these "fights"
>>729896539i never liked the D&D idea for sorcerers its the only class where the lineage plays a specific role in their CLASS where instead this should be part of the character creation i mean whats stopping a cleric from having a dragon ancestor. do they just ignore it? if someone class changes into sorcerer do they just realize they had a special ancestor all along? if they class change out do they just forget or choose not to draw from that power? maybe everyone has a special ancestor but a sorcerer specifically learns how to draw from that? its unclear their name should actually fall in line with their class. they're called "Sorcerer" so they should draw their power from a specific artifact a "source" and even be some kind of magic vampire then
Whats a combination of a rogue or thief with a warrior and who wears either some light chain mail?
>>729894107we need more merchantlikes tbf
>>729897381Ranger, Duelist, Swashbuckler, Gladiator
What's the difference between a scholar and a gentleman?
>>729887607A mage relies mostly on spellcasting to get done whatever he needs done. A sorcerer relies more on magical trinkets and artifacts that he finds or crafts for himself.
>>729897632>scholarwisdom >gentlemancharisma
>>729891905this nigga doesnt know that monks feasted and brewed their own alcohol all the time. They were also, for the most part, neutral in battles and wars so they did all this shit in peace.
>>729897908Do you think she has a cybernetic tightener in her cooch? Being able to squeeze you in all sorts of ways no other woman ever could. Imagine having to upgrade your tools just to be able to fuck her brains out.i need it
>>729885976what does rascal mean
