Why are action gacha games so popular lately? You can pick a random Tamsoft game and it will have better combat and more pantyshots.
>>729890721flashy spazzing animationsthey always do hundreds of spins for some reason
>>729890721>misses every one of S11's slash timings once the charges run outI'm not sure what this webm's supposed to show, but it sure isn't how easy playing well is.
>>729891465>pretending to be retarded
>>729891839I don't think you're pretending.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbqKfii2cqgthis is what actual gameplay is btwthe issue is just that making a team that plays like this costs money, but if you have it the game is fun
>>729892497>the issue is just that making a team that plays like this costs moneySo... buy an actual video game instead?
>>729892709i was simply showing what the game actually looks like, instead of the disingenuous OP webmmaybe its for rich chinese people, i dont know, i dropped the game because i didnt want to spend money, either way they are popular regardless of if either of us think its a good value deal
>>729892497I don't play the game but is this a whale player? If so, how much money do you reckon it takes to build the team they're using in the video?
>>729893110if you played from the start you can easily have 3 teams of full limited characters, some with their weapon, with no money spent. I spent like 100 bucks on ZZZ and am only missing 6 out of the 32 or so limited characters, and have several signature weapons as well and some dupes. But I played every day from day 1.
>>729893760>if you played from the start
>>729893110i counted 13 limited 5* items between weapons and characters, definitely not f2p but maybe dolphin.they've probably dropped a few hundred on the game over its lifetime but they arent spending thousands every month, if i had to guess maybe 300-500 lifetime in straight purchases and probably another 200-300 in monthly stuff over the course of the whatever year and a halfthe ceiling is way higher than this, but this is also pretty far above the floorits an "infinite hp" boss challenge with a time limit to see how much damage you can deal in 3 minutes, 20,000 points (i dont remember what the actual damage number is) is the maximum for all of the rewards from the mode, and is what most players are shooting for, but it goes all the way up to 65,000 with the later parts being exponentially more health than the first few hp bars/score amounts, so when you see "50,000 points" its not just 2.5x the damage of a full clear its way more
Do people really play these for the panty shots?
>using a support as main dpsWhy is 4chan so brown lately?
>>729892497>press a button and the characters does a dozen different animations because the game has to account for touchscreen controls and make execution braindeadAmazing gameplay.
>>729894037And physics.
>>729890721free market fixes itself
>>729892709it is easier if you spend money, but if you enjoy a challenge and like to play with luck or against the odds, you don't have to spend any money
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>>729894239unironically more complicated gameplay than elden ring, but people like fromslop because its flashyDPS race fundamentally requires more skill than "dont die" because if you are losing seconds you are losing score, managing buff uptimes and resources is better than>"this guy is really hard to dodge and he kills you in one hit"but you dont actually know or care, and this is just a (you) for you anyways.i dont like the game because of its monetization and unskippable story, if it was actually just a regular paid product i would hold it in higher regard than most modern games because its interesting and has sexy girlshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jxYrKtaF5k
>>729894638>more complicated gameplay than elden ringParty games made for children have more complicated gameplay than elden ring, that's not a flex.
>>729894638>people like fromslop because its flashyI'm not the biggest FS fan around but saying this while defending ZZZ is a level of cognitive dissonance I haven't seen in years.
>>729894638I say that because I did play the game for a while (deadly assault and all) and that was the reason I dropped it, there's such a huge disconnect from what you're inputting to what is happening on the screen that it doesn't feel rewarding to play. The enemies barely feel interactive because you're just doing your optimal rotations and dodging/parrying when the game tells you to with a big flashing light.
>>729894764it is the defacto "most popular action game" so it is the bar for comparisonif you want a more nuanced discussion then something like DMC has a lot of complexity but in much more different areas. juggling, style switching and movement are king, and learning what moves you have access to, how long they stun an enemy, what direction they are pushed, where it moves you to, etc are how DMC gives the player freedom of expressionsomething like nioh isnt quite as choreographed but it has a lot of depth in the kinds of momentum you can get in it. pressuring stamina, building status effects up, enabling temporary buffs via unique mechanics like purification, weapon skills, stance switches, etc let you build out a really complex RPG character that isnt just an excel sheet of statsZZZ has a lot of different mechanics that trigger a lot of different things, the whole game is spinning plates on top of being an action game. fitting in something like swapping to a character and activating an ability so you can turn on a necessary buff is something you have to figure out, especially when the enemy is trying to kill you. you dont want to wait too long because you are gutting your efficiency, but if you carelessly swap you might eat shit and die, or waste uptime during something like an invulnerability phase.its all about filling bars an emptying them in optimal ways.the gameplay i posted in >>729894638 has a character that gets a resources when she does a status effect on the enemy, and gets even more of it if she has another teammate do a different status effect on them (causing a big damage effect called "disorder" and wipes both, allowing you to stack them again for more resources)when you get full meter, you can do a big AOE sword attack that does a lot of damage, and you can swap out during it and act on other characters and still get the full effect, its really cool.
>>729894239This fucking gacha, games that aren't meant to take any skill or else lose profits, is harder than any AAA game released on the last 5 years lolYour indian ass just cannot admit a chinese company made a good game.
I miss the deep, rewarding gameplay of Dragalia Lost.
>>729890721>attacking with support character>just dodging and dealing no damageThis is like playing dark souls without a weapon and just rolling.
>>729890721>>729891315>>729895772Many people find most Gatcha games to be boring, as they are mostly simple RPGs or strategy games focused on stat checks rather than tactical thinking.With an action game, you can do the same thing. Because it's more flashy and requires more button presses, you can keep the player engaged without actually challenging them.
>>729890721bro this girl is not supposed to be on the field for more than 2 seconds
>>729897119>blah blah headcanon blahdon't talk about the complexity of games you haven't played
>>729895273>>729894638I feel like Gacha games use a lot of what I call system padding and fake complexity. On the surface, the games look pretty intricate because the combat has a load of features, but most of these complements are actually tangential. These games almost never push the player to engage with most of their many systems; they're sort of a sideshow. Sure, it's there, you can choose to engage with it, but it's like a veneer.
>>729898478Hey, don't get mad at me because these games are made to be played without much thought or conscious effort.
>>729898809>talks out of his ass without posting his end game scoresMany such cases.
>>729898705it's in the dev's interest for players to engage with the systems because that's the gateway to whaling the issue is that those systems on the whole are pretty retarded and not all that engaging to begin with. like stacking buffs on top of buffs and swapping characters at the right time doesn't mean much when all you're doing is filling bars and watching numbers pop by engaging with the game the same way you will always do, by mashing x and pressing dodge or parry on a generous half second window (because the game has to be played on phones)if you wanna see big numbers with real complexity to gameplay you could try disgaea 4 or nioh 2 or tales of graces f or tales of destiny 2 or knights in the nightmare or patapon 3 or stranger of paradise or type 0 or dragon's crown or dragon's dogma or ffxvi or...etc even on your hundredth replay those games are infinitely more engaging, worthwhile and fun than playing something like ZZZ which just feels like the long scenic route to a depressive episode, just piles of meaninglessness and third rate psychosomatic stimulation tied to a box where you do the same shit over and over and over again as you watch the clock tick and wonder what the fuck you're doing with your life
>>729898809Most content in the game is made like that. End game content is not. The systems have a good deal of complexity, it's just kept out of the way of casuals.
>>729899248>gacha>The systems have a good deal of complexity
>>729890721Have they made these things full priced games yet with all the content either unlocked or unlockable through in-game progression, and without the worry of connecting to a server or shutting the servers down?
>>729891465He still beat the enemy without taking damage, so who's the retard?
>>729893760Ths nigha spent money on his jpgs kwab
>>729890721Funny how there's a webm showing how mindless the gameplay is and gachaniggers are still trying to pretend like it's some mechanically complex action game
>>729899727nta, but it's still you
>>729899417Why would they do something that makes orders of magnitude less money?
>>729899992The only funny thing is how dishonest that webm is.
>>729894087>he can't use support unit for dpshave you tried gitting gud?
>>729899010>>729899248The way I see it, they want you to engage with it eventually. But it isn't the meat of these games like a lot of their fans present them as. This is why having to engage with them is largely limited to the endgame.
>>729900319>play Starcraft 2>build 1 barracks and queue up 5 marines>do nothing elseWTF this game is boring
>>729894239I like how Batman Arkham, Sejiko and Nioh has complex inputs for lots of situations.That gacha games has lots of animation for a single input (right thumb) and parry/blocking is 100% automatic because you cant register more of TWO inputs (left thumb and right thumb) in a touch screen
>>729900414Would doing that allow you to get through a challenge with no damage?
>>729900384>they want you to engage with it eventuallyThey do but they know sweats are ultimately a niche audience so the rewards for doing it are usually just bragging rights and casuals have no real need to ever try to git gud.
>>729900489In a idiotically long amount of time, yeah.
>>729900489Did you think fighting a basic trash mob was a "challenge?"
>>729890721The average people in Asia or Japan not play videogames outside of MMOs. Devs design everything for the lowest tier of players because they lack of experience in real action games of Playstation
>>729890721>play like retard on easy difficulty>guys look at how simple this is
>>729900756>real action games of PlaystationGot some real bad news for ya, mate
>>729890721You say that as if Tamsoft isn't top tier >>729900854Yeah your touchscreen game made for the lowest common denominator is very demanding
>>729899828do zoomers not know what a jpeg is?
>>729900654I'm using it in a more general sense, rather than for something that is super hard. There's a better word I'm looking for, but I can't quite reach it, so I'm using challenge instead. That said, I was wrong as they actually do take some damage.
>>729900991japanese pornographic electronic game
Genshin was too spread out and required me to play it far to much then what I wanted to. The gameplay was OK but it was still gacha gameplay and alot of it was just novelty as the first "big, mainstream" gacha and I quit after a few months because I just got bored grinding events and dailies. Then I tried star rail and the daily/weekly/event grind was way better but the gameplay was horribly boring to me. I just couldn't get into turn based games. ZZZ feels like a perfect medium to me where the gameplay is good enough thst im not bored playing it, the events are decent enough and dont take up too much time, and the daily stufd can be done in like 2 minutes and even now you can just outsource your battery to someone else so it takes even less time. The only problem I have is the 2.x story is fucking terrible and genuinely killing my enjoyment.
>>729900991Asking a zoomer to make a gif makes them spontaneously combust.Most computer-illiterate generation since the baby boomers.
>>729901045>japanese
>>729900991
>>729901050My friends have told me the story has devolved into a lot of forced drama, largely over issues that should and could be helped in a single conversation.
>enemy doesn't react to your punchesI hate this, I hate this fucking shit.
>>729900981I love Tamsoft but they were always a tier below the greats like old Capcom and Team Ninja. Now even more since Platinum apparently poached some of their talent.
>>729901043Do you mean "breezing through a fight?"OP's 1 min long webm could be shortened by half or more if it actually featured sensible game play, i.e.>buff and exit the field with the support character>use parries instead of dodges>maximize the on-field DPS character's time on the god damn field
I played both WuWa and ZZZ and after several attempts they just didn't click. I do like WuWa gameplay and ZZZ character design.
>>729901050Genshin got way better now but well you still have to do the old stuff. HSR got very boring yeah, they don't even do real events anymore, just actual trash mobile tier garbage, the only fun thing in the last whole fucking year was Currency Wars, a TFT clone and that released in December. In ZZZ the story got way too annoying yeah, I hope it gets better now with the idols. It's annoying that a lot of the new events are just reruns of old events (they will rerun the shit cinema event AGAIN)
>>729901296Wuwa has MMO gameplay>look up optimal rotation>do rotation until everything dies
>>729901184Putting aside the chinawank which honestly i dont really mind too much its just that weve moved away from all the interesting plot points from the 1.x story and it feels like nothing is carried over. It doesnt help that the factions in 2.x are far more boring then 1.x. I would rather be hanging out with construction workers, cops, biker gangs, and monster themed maids over chinese chi-users, chinese government workers, and blogposters.
>>729894293I love physics
>>729901273What do you mean? He clearly bobs slightly and shakes a bit, surely that's enough to sell the feeling you're fighting a living thing that you're hitting very hard.
>>729901279Absolutely no doubtThey still haven't topped Z2 but they're better than most
who is the hottest ZZZ char and why is it Yuzuha?
>>729901501Imagine playing an action game with no hitstun in it.
>>729890721Monkeys play them on their phones.
>>729892497>Complex>Shungus + moral support
>>729901538What is her DEAL>not a thiren>not a fighter>literally just some girl that can throw bombs and fight with an umbrella
>>729901659PTSD from the experiments they did to her
>>729901659See >>729901606
>>729901563I feel like my interests are too specific. I prefer action games where enemies react to your blows, but you can't easily juggle them to oblivion, and it feels like most devs do either/or.
>>729890721Imagine if this animation talent went into real action games or better yet, H-games instead of being stuck on gacha slop. I hate this timeline so fucking much aaaaaaa niggers
>>729901538*Yanagi
>>729902092she is hotter in artwork but I don't like these type of girls... doesn't help that her story was utter dogshit with the forgettable Null_Face stuff, literally the first time I used the skip button
finally gave shungus a try and jesus fuckher animations are pretty, though
>>729902180it had some cool mibibi moments
>>729890721>Why are action gacha games so popular lately?Presentation, character designs/animations, soundtrack and anime tropes. Everybody and their mother watched anime at one point so the audience is large enough, everybody has a phone, so the potential install base is also large.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhnlQ8InmVwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74EMmj6K1eIAlso, ZZZ is kinda intense at endgame, both visually and input wise, you can't play it while watching netflix or with only one hand so the difficulty is there if you look for it. The only drawback is that unless you're a heavy spender, you have to log in daily to keep your currency stacks going up constantly, so that's how they keep you coming back after you finish the monthly content pipeline they've got going. >>729902820I wish the sword casket would follow her around all the time instead of only during idle animations.
>>729902180because you have permanent PTSD from some one telling you to do your homework
>>729903021>I wish the sword casket would follow her aroundI don't. Shit's annoying.
>>729903217rude, I was always a well-behaved anon in school and did all my homework! :(
>>729903021I guess it would be too big/obstruct the screen too much yeah right lmao
>>729902820am i the only one who's tired of these garbage names they're giving characters? there's like 4 "ye"'s, lost track of who "shifu" is, why cant they just have normal names?
>>729903308what is she anyway, a horse?
>>729903403horse lion... dog... d-demon?
Jian.Jian feets.
>>729903403Kirin?
>>729903494so basically a donkey, okaywho's her ogre then?
>/v/eddit shilling gatcha
>>729903594you nigga lmao
Because gacha are taking advise from the same retards who proudly proclaimed turn-based games are dead on console and turn-based games are dead on PCthe devs who listen to these people end up being humiliated, like Yoshi P who was humiliated by being giga-mogged by multiple turn-BASED games while his mediocre actionslop flopped.
>>729903379you don't get itxiao is xiaoand zhao is zhaoIT'S EASY, OKAY??
>>729903403mythical beast
>>729903838chinese manbearpig
