>This was once considered the cringiest, most lowest point Star Wars could go
>>729908608and yet now it's edgekino
>>729908608...Until the sequels came.
Say it
>>729908608do millennials enjoy anything? a lot of my friends liked the force unleashed games.
>>729908608achievements/trophies ruined my video game life for years. I was more interested into completing stupid achievement instead of having fun and playing the way I wanted to play. I remember all those shit achievements after using certain powers on stormtroopers. took me years so stop giving a fuck about achievements.
nah it wasn't hated nearly as much as the empire strikes back upon release
>>729908608And it was still fantastic fun
>>729908754Why did you sell your life's work to the white slavers?
>>729908608>released in 2010This came out after TCW so Pre-Disney Star Wars had already bottomed out two years before.
>>729908608It's up there. star wars specials are there too
>>729908608Every game from the 2000s that was widely considered as bad by basedlord millennials is usually pretty good actually
>>729909038Except Mario Sunshine, which really did deserve the backlash.
>>729908608Not nearly as bad TCW or the Dark Nest trilogy, still pretty bad. Also extremely annoying that TFU games retconned a shit ton of the early Rebellion era continuity only to leave a gigantic hole in the timeline where Vader is captured and the Rebellion has two Jedi allies and there's no resolution for that.
>>729908608There was a sequel? How does that work? I played the first one and thought the DMM physics engine was insane. It is still one of the most advanced even today. Decent game too.
>>729908846>I remember all those shit achievements after using certain powers on stormtroopers. took me years so stop giving a fuck about achievements.wow, i feel bad for people who somehow live life on sucb autopilot that they would value arbitrary achievments over their own fun. Genuinely happy for you, learning to value yourself and learn to appreciate games for what they are and stop treating them like some kind of thing to "complete" like some kind of...non game?
>>729909246>There was a sequel? How does that work?You play as a clone of Galen Marek and your primary antagonist is the camera.
>>729909138nah sunshine is great, chuds just couldnt accept that it wasn't mario 64 2
>>729908608It was alright. Thought the novelization was really good though. >>729909213TCW was basically the start of the Disney era yeah. I haven't read Dark Nest in years but I'm sure it wasn't as bad as the Callista trilogy and I say that as a Bantam lover, but I remember thinking they were the worst Star Wars had ever gotten. Pretty sure when I get to them in my EU re-read I'm doing I'll have the same opinion.
>>729909531>my EU re-readHow long is that going to take? There must be a hundred books or more just in the old EU.
>>729909312>your primary antagonist is the cameraSo just like the first one.
>>729909312
Doesn't the guy die at the end of the first one? Who's the protag in the sequel?
>>729909740A mentally unstable clone of the first guy.
>>729909630I've been reading it off and on for about a year now, including comics. I'm on the AOTC novelization, so in terms of numbers, I'm on 223 out of 678 I think? It's not a perfect one-to-one in terms of numbers because the comics are split up or combined into collections depending on what I could get. To answer your question I'll probably be done in two years or so I think. I'm splitting it up into eras and when I'm done with one I spend a month or so reading non-fiction or other authors. I threw out the TOR shit and the TCW related comics and novels which helped a bit.
>>729909880Clone wars comics and novels are dope tho. Vader out hunting and killing Jedi is entertaining.
>>729908754Where's my SotE fan film?
I'm not convinced he was a clone.
>>729908734>>729908608This games was rush before Disney shut down the studios.
>>729909880>I threw out the TOR shitDoes that mean you're not doing the Bane trilogy?
>>729909531I'm not sure if the Dark Nest trilogy is objectively worse than the Callista books, but the issue is that picking up the Dark Nest books after reading NJO is such a massive whiplash in quality that it multiplies the displeasure exponentially, and in terms of damaging the continuity, the Dark Nest books really take the cake since it assassinates so many characters, particularly what they did to Jacen. And don't even get me started on the abominable bug telepathic sex thing, that is in my opinion 1000x cringer than that scene with Luke and Callista.
>>729910215No I am, the image I posted is what I'm reading, TOR stuff is the novels like Revan, Deceived, etc. anything around the MMO. https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_The_Old_Republic_(novel_series)
only complaint I remember about this game is it was too short and felt unfinished, not about it being cringe or anything
what if they remade the entire dark forces jedi knight saga and crammed it all into one big package
>>729908909Hello i'm an ESL, i've always wanted to know if that quote meant "slavers that are white" or slavers who slave white people?"
>>729909531>I say that as a Bantam lovermy nigga
>>729909880>soon this guy gets to read the trilogy of Labyrinth of Evil, Episode III: Revenge of the Sith, and Dark Lord: the Rise of Darth Vaderlucky
>>729908608I never bought it I just played the demo a bunch It was fun
>>729908754Yes the prequels were badBut whatever his idea of how the sequels would be, they would've been a MILLION times better than what we got
>>729908608The sequel was a mixed bag, but I loved all the ways you could torture storm troopers in force games.>force grab>stab with saber throw>force lightning>throw across the map
>>729909880Oh man I remember some of the Galaxy of Fear books
>>729908754I didn't like the prequels but didn't hate it either. Feels like movies weren't the right format for it.
>>729910242Yeah I'll have to judgement call it when I get there. It's been a long time, but I fully admit to having a bias in terms of what I deem the worst. I really might consider the Jedi Prince series the worst the EU has to offer because while I will fully admit to liking a lot of post NJO content, the Denning criticisms are probably more valid than cringing at a trilogy revolving around a one-off character that never went anywhere. Separately, I do also feel now that so much time has passed that the EU ending when it did was most likely the best outcome we could have gotten since George and Filoni were already demolishing it, and they were going to continue to do so. And while I'd have rather Dawn of the Jedi and Knight Errant or the legacy comics would have gotten their due and actually had fully fleshed-out endings, the EU sort of ended right when there was a full cultural reset, and I don't know what that would have looked like in the space.
>>729908754There should have been a miniseries focusing on podracingThere I said it
>>729910385I wish I could forget all the Matthew Stover and James Lucino books all so I could read them for the first time again, easily my favorite SW writers.
>>729908754I would have enjoyed the prequels more if George took more some to critically think about his ideas. Instead he turned in his first half finished rough draft and then fucked out of the studio to enjoy another succulent food court meal.
>>729908754You should have made Red Tails 2 instead of selling to Disney.
KINO!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LT7TD5T4vtc
>>729910447Supposedly Lucas wanted a story that looked more closely at the role of microbes in the Star Wars universe. That sounds shit, ngl, but with Lucas in the director's chair or somewhere near it, the films would have had the old soul. At the beginning of TFA, Abrams shot a shaky-cam assault scene in the style of Saving Private Ryan, letting us know from the outset that the classical Lucas style of photography was out and cheap Spielberg imitations were in. The influences of Ford and Kurosawa were nowhere to be seen, except in the occasional mindless wipe transition.
>>729908754he ruined episode 6 by making vader scream "noooo" when he threw palatine to his death. made the scene way more cheesy and ridiculous. god damnit
What is the best version of Ep1 Racer anyway?
>>729908608Thought that was SWTOR.
>>729911153Pretty sure he had already ruined Episode 6 by showing the embarrassing Battle of Endor.
>>729911162I've only ever played the N64 version. Never got around to it before I killed the disc drive in my Dreamcast with CD-Rs.
>>729911060Why anyone trusted Abrams after he raped the Trek films, I will never understand.
>>729910770Frankly the Denning books aren't bad when isolated besides the Bugs, it's just frustrating seeing everything that was set up at the end of the Vong war get thrown out of the window because Denning wanted to force his favorite ships and really wanted to make Jacen the cringiest edgelord of all time for some God forsaken reason, and his inability to not make everyone catastrophically retarded every other book doesn't help too.
>>729908909A billion dollars is a lot of money
>>729911473His directing was fine aside from the obnoxious lens flare. The movie was well paced and entertaining to watch. The real problem Trek from that point on is Kurtzman's writing.
>>729908608The lowest point was 10 years of EA doing jack shit and then Disney took over.
>>729911473The problem is in 2015 people brainwashed themselves into thinking Force Awakens was great because of nostalgia bait. And then when he came back for the third film that bait shit wasn't sinking in
>>729910348Slavers are the people who enslave, White is an adjective modifying slaver. White slavers means slavers who are White.
>>729910348Slavers who enslave whitesMostly considered old fashioned today, but during Victorian times through WW1 mostly referred to Ottomans (muslims) enslaving white Christians from the the Near East.There's also use of it in the USA in the past in reference to the Barbary Pirates of North Africa (who sold to the Ottomans), and infact, was the USA's first foreign deployment of US Marines to the shores of Tripoli and popularized in The Marines' Hymn, often used in US military movies.
>>729908608>cringiest, most lowest pointCringiest? Maybe, but it was cringe kino. It was a game that was not afraid to make you feel badass no matter how edgy you'd also feel in the process.
>>729908754>already rich for life>Sells his IP for money out of pure greed>initially says he doesn't care what they do>he actually does care and is saltyLucas is a cuck. He'll be the equivalent of a greek parable in the future to new creators
>>729911810To boomers like George, White people are the default slavers. That he said White slavers implies to me that the slavers enslave Whites.
>>729911473>>729911623CAN'T STAND ITI KNOW YOU PLANNED IT
>>729908608>This was once considered the cringiest, most lowest point Star Wars could goIt was this, no matter how much I'm Han Solo revisionism there is.
>>729912050Ah shit, I forgot about this debacle. This is even worse than TCW, Jesus Christ.
>>729909531>Callista trilogy and I say that as a Bantam loverNothing, pre Vector Prime, was worse than The Crystal Star, when Leia is a major POV character and becomes a bounty hunter to save her kids from cult slavers.
>>729912050I completely forgot this was a real game. I imagine it was bad.
>>729908608>most lowest
>>729912190Yeah, he's not ESL
>>729912050>>729912119>>729912153https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84YXPw4htnQ
>>729911473>PT hate is at its peak just before Lucas sells Star Wars to Disney>Around this time the RLM prequel reviews are blowing up on youtube>Mike Stoklasa says JJ Abrams should be the one in charge of directing the new movies>His own words in their Half In The Bag TFA review are "I loved it. It was everything I was hoping it would be."
>>729911473Pure optimism. It was 2015, a completely different era. Entertainment and media wasn't completely raped like now.
>>729912143I never read Crystal Star, but I always hear the only thing it got right was Leia's characterization. I think I read somewhere that Vonda McIntyre was a Trek writer primarily. Might explain the weird shit I've heard about the book.
>>729912050>majority of playable jedis are womena strange foreshadowing of the future
>>729912269>they had the balls to have the first spoken dialogue of the Sequels suck RLM's dick about fixing the Prequels>the Sequels faceplant and kill the IP
>>729912269>>729912431RLM was the embodiment of the HIRE FANS mentality gone wrong (gone sexual)
>>729912259Despite my visceral hatred that they sold this piece of shit game to people, I think seeing the Star Wars characters doing stupid ass tik tok dances (especially the villains) is really, really fucking funny.
>>729912269RLM really should've stuck to reviewing bad moviesTheir latest SW video was pure schizoid
>>729912640>Their latest SW video was pure schizoidLet me guess:>yeah okay the Disney Stars Wars stuff is pretty bad>BUT THE PREQUELS ARE WORSE!
>>729912640They're STILL making those?!
>>729912269>>729912431>>729912545I stopped caring for RLM's opinions on Star Wars when they (mainly Mike) had a melty over Rogue One, the (yeah yeah) best Star Wars we got from the Disney era, and thanks to Andor (the best Star Wars thing since ROTS) it made it better. You know I am right.
>>729912050I'M SOLOI'M HAN SOLO
Jedi Dooku.
>>729912747The first two seasons of The Mandalorian were alright as well.
>>729912714Not him but basically the point in the last half is that new fans will re-evaluate The Acolyte for being different, but the joke is that it's bad.
>>729912259MFW niggerman beats me in a danceoff and he's the emperor now
>>729912843Nic Cage?
>>729912843Honestly they could make millions with a spinoff series about shit that happens like 30 years before the main series.
>>729912861The Mandalorian had a promising first episode and then a meh to bad first season before having an awful second season and a putrid third.
>>729908608Lucasarts weren't ran by Karens at that point.
>>729912890I've said before but all the Reylo shippers will eventually grow up (if they haven't already idk) and populate online discourse with sequel revisionism
>>729913134It's been 10 years. I was told the 12 year olds watching TFA would be flooding the internet with Sequels praise by now. Where are they?
>>729913274I have only seen one genuinely positive post about them here so I'm assuming that was the breaking of the dam.
>>729908608Is it not still? What happened since then?
>>729913274delayed zoomer attention span10 more years
>>729913274People were doing that about The Last Jedi the year after it came out. It's just 9 was so bad that it took the wind out of their sails.
>>729913134I think majority of the Reylo shippers are mentally ill middle aged white women.
>What if I told you that the Republic was now under the control of a dark lord of the Sith by the name of Darth Sidious? And that one day he'll possess a clone body of himself named Snoke, and dress said clone up in a comfy golden robe with matching slippers
>>729913003Superman? Ghost Rider?
>As the first technician—Target Number One—lunged for the emergency alarm to summon security, IG-88 moved with blurring speed to the component-laden table. He snatched up a disconnected droid arm. With its metal fingers splayed like daggers, it made the perfect projectile weapon. He scanned the surface of the metal limb, calculated a flight path and expected deviation due to air resistance, then hurled it like a spear.>The disconnected droid arm plunged into the back of the turning technician, tore through his spinal column, and followed through his sternum. The lifeless metal hand protruded through splintered bone in the front of his chest, holding the technician’s quivering heart in rigid metal fingers. Target Number One collapsed onto one of the diagnostic panels.Man these sw books are for kids but they're fun
>>729914536So long as you avoid herkily jerkily
>>729912386I never read any of McIntyre's other works, but I did read somewhere that The Crystal Star was originally an original story that was overhauled into a SW book which I can believe.
>>729908608Proof that things can always get worse.
>>729912269>>729911473>Was the first pick to make Episode 7>chose to make the flop Tomorrowland insteadImagine...
>There is a cloud around me now. Around all of us. It is like a sickness. A fever in the blood. War everywhere. Cruelty. Killing. Some in my name.
>>729910348Look up the barbary pirates slave trade, they were taking europeans to africa way before "muh slavry" happened. Also the ottomans were fond of enslaving europeans, that's why there's european looking turks nowadays.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHIesTfswBAThe ROTS novelization lives in my head rent free.
real niggas know
>>729908846most pathetic post of 2026 that you ever gave a shit to begin with
>>729914974GOAT Star Wars content
>>729915083
>>729915083>>729915142God tier. I've always wondered how much of this was Stover and how much of this was from an earlier draft of the movie.
>>729908608According to whom? You faggot?
>>729914882>I'm tired Master. So tired. And like any old man nearing his end... I long to go home.
>>729913995Was Snoke a clone too?
>>729908608Nobody foresaw cringe feminist garbage programmed by jeets and feminists.
Guys is SWTOR worth playing solo for the story or nah?
>>729915178I'm surprised there aren't more annotations in this part, but Stover included one after the>The conference room was, as the expression goes, a dead end.line, and it reads>No, I am not overly fond of cheesy puns. Honest!So I think it's all him. The earlier script probably just said that Anakin enjoys himself as he slaughters the CIS leadership.I wish they kept the silly puns. I always interpreted the mission to Mustafar as being a reward to Anakin for destroying the Jedi. He fucking hates the CIS leadership for the Clone Wars and his emotions are finally unleashed, thus the Sith eyes in the film. Let the guy style on them as he murders them.
>>729915584The base story is good, but I thought the expacs were all bad.
>>729915648Ah, thanks.
>>729915719Smuggler is my favorite but I haven't finished all of them yet, so I recommend that class first.
>>729915632I really love seeing him immerse himself in the dark side. In general, I love ROTS for showing how quickly it corrupts someone. He went from trying to save Padmé to choking her to death because of his possessive desire for her quickly. Pretty good way of showing how the road to hell is paved with good intentions.https://youtu.be/djgVOB83dno
>>729912747Rogue One is fine for half the movie. The other half is boring as shit. Looking at Felicity Jones's cute face looking dumbfounded is not good writing.
>>729914974>Though this is the end of the age of heroes, it saved its best for last.
Dreamt of Malachor again
>>729916194The war is over, general.
>>729916138The Dark is Generous. https://youtu.be/94ZszwbmJII
>>729908608It really wasn't. TFU was missed potential, but TFU2 was just unnecessary, but it wasn't a low point or embarrassing
>>729916672I feel bad for the dev team of TFU2 more than anything else, I think they only had like six months to make it.
>>729908754He forgot the Rule of Two. If he had lived the lifestyle he wrote about, he could have raised an apprentice that would carry on the legacy of Star Wars for 1,000 years.
>>729917193He did. The cowboy hat should have been a warning that the betrayal would come too early
>>729917193Filoni never shuts the fuck up about how he is George's Padawan learner and successor.Don't think I've ever heard George echo that sentiment though.Cowboy hat wearing dog fucker.
>>729908846people read posts like this, and then say that cucksoles and consoletards weren't a blight on video games.
https://youtu.be/_C3fa8S1cccI just want more dudes killing each other with guns desu
>>729912562kinetic gimmick shit would be kino if it wasn't such an expensive piece of shit.I wonder if valve could make something like this using steamlink on phones or maybe wit their new VR thing.
>>729915987But looking at her ass is
>>729908608>This was once considered the cringiest, most lowest point Star Wars could goFor people with bad taste. In reality it was cool as fuck and people loved playing it.
>>729908608It was great. Dialogue was just cheesy enough to be charming.
>Yes, we expect you to believe this could contain Darth Vader
>>729908608I never played the second game was there a scene as cool as starkiller bringing down a star destroyer?
>>729918627We even got classic Star Wars memes out of it.The best the Sequels could do is "They fly now?!" and "Somehow Palpatine returned"
>>729908754I'm never apologizing, because I always knew disney would ruin everything and that RLM were lazy gen x faggots without any original thoughts. George won in the end.
>>729908803I'm a millenial and I loved it. The only actual complaints I've heard about it were about him force pulling a star destroyer out of the sky. I've also seen people compare Starkiller to Rey with a>well Starkiller is also a generic character who is instantly amazing at everything and beats all the cool characters from the movies but people like Force Unleashed and hate the sequelsWhich is a stupid comparison because one is just a vessel for the player to self insert and go wild, while the other is supposed to be an important and canon character whom the franchise and its story revolves around.So yeah basically people here are miserable faggots and Force Unleashed is a cool game.
>>729919924Starkiller is also incomparable to Rey in the sense that he was trained from childhood by a Sith Lord to utilize the Dark Side (ie he was tortured his entire life to learn to use the Force) while Rey spent her entire life thinking the Jedi were a myth until she suddenly pulls the Force out of her ass.
>>729911473Nepotism in Hollywood decides whether you get the jobs or not.
>>729912843Why is he so.... Bald?
>>729920237mfw JJ got sent to director jail after TRoS
>>729908754Its this fuckers fault we have to deal with a combination of Filoniwars and Kathleen Kennedy’s demoralization ritual.
>>729908608The novelizations for this one and the sequel were pretty good desu.
>>729915268Dark Rendezvous was my first Star Wars novel. I was disappointed at first of how it added nothing new to what I already know of the canon, but the occasional flirting between hebe Scout and hormone-raging Whie.
>>729911153>he ruined episode 6 by making vader scream "noooo" when he threw palatine to his deathI genuinely cannot tell if this is a shitpost or not because the revised version all have absolutely retarded shit in them.t. unaltered trilogy purist
>>729920296What's he made since then?
>>729911473Abrams has always enjoyed a high reputation he has never deserved. Him, and Whedon.
>>729920040Rey is just a symptom of the rot that runs deep in westoid movie industry right now. She's not one of her kind, just look at Arya from Game of Thrones. Almost the exact same kind of face, same kind of Mary Sue.
>>729919924>>729920040It's actually even simpler than that. Rey is a Mary Sue, Starkiller is just overpowered. Rey instantly excels at everything both physically and mentally, the latter struggles throughout the game. Even the infamous Star Destroyer scene wasn't effortless and it wasn't him moving the entire ship through sheer force.
>>729908754PotteryDisney kikes ruined star wars
>>729920516Since 2019 he's filmed one movie called Ghostwriter that is in pre-production and he wrote two episodes of some dog shit show about the first black woman FBI agent.He got put in time-out for ruining Star Wars.
>>729908849I know this is bait but it's crazy that disney/TLJ fags actually believe Empire was hated upon release. It was overwhelmingly beloved immediately even by the most hardcore fans.
There's NO coming back from this. Why Disney thought it was a good idea to make the OT all for nothing is beyond me.People used to shit on the EU back in the 2000s but it's a goddamn masterpiece compared to the Disney storyline
>>729920816I think it's wild that they just hit the reset button on the setting. Say what you want about how long it took the rebellion to take the core worlds, but it at least felt like permanent progress was being made even when other fuck ups were happening in the galaxy.
>>729914974>15 seconds in>empal surecon center
>>729908608NuWars isn't canon and i refuse to accept it.
>>729908608>This was once considered the cringiest, most lowest point Star Wars could goWas it? I don't remember it being labelled as a low point in Star Wars.
>>729920890Short for the Emperor Palpatine Surgical Reconstruction Center (for Apprentices Who Don't Burn So Good)
The Sith Stalker armor was so sick it eclipses anything Disney has ever made aesthetically.
Will we ever get a lightsaber action game again, anons?
>>729920513They did actually add Vader screaming "No, No, NOOOOOOOO" when Luke is being shocked and he throws The Emperor into the tunnel or whatever the fuck. It was added in the 2011 bluray version and it's been in the movie ever since. I've seen those 4k versions floating around but I'm too lazy to get a VPN.
>>729921115The 8-ball says "Yes, but it will have a strong female protagonist"
>>729921048Formerly the Chancellor Palpatine Surgical Reconstruction Center (ChanPal SuRecon Center)
>>729908754This fanbase of perpetually entitled, assmad, low IQ, ignorant faggot manchildren didn't deserve you. Rest easy.
>>729921115VR?I dunno, a third Jedi game?Dark Forces reboot?
and so far nobody has posted that sexy-ass Shaak ti. A pity.
>>729908608What's with all the revisionist history about star wars lately? "hurr durr return of the jedi was hated when it came out" no it fucking wasn't you lying freak
>>729908754i'm sowwypwease come backi want happy gud stowy againgimme sexy talon twiwek twitties
>>729921186I don't have sexy Shaak-Ti but would you be interested in this image of Cuute-Ti?
>>729921115There will be a third Fallen Order game, yeah
>>729921301too cutegonna cum
>>729921218God, I hate Endor so much. RotJ is lucky it has the scenes in the Death Star Throne Room otherwise it would be a Sequels tier movie.
>>729912747Sometimes I quote Rich Evans' >AT-AT WALKERS! I'M GONNA CUM! only when I say it it's unironic
>>729912050>>729912259sovl
https://youtu.be/u9g5XsoE4-s
>>729921115You've already got the recent Fallen Order and Jedi Survivor games, so it isn't as if you've been left out to dry since Force Unleashed 2.
>>729908754My name is Mike Stoklasa and I humbly apologize to you, Mr. Lucas.
>>729908608You know, edgelord kind of looks like Rey here, and I'm not sure if that's more of an insult to her or him.
Are we at the "blaming RLM for the sequel trilogy" era yet?
>>729921580Same hairline and angry, screaming face.
Star Wars games > The rest of Star Wars media.
people have realized that the only thing worse than "OC Mary Sue self-insert power fantasy" is "OC Mary Sue self-insert power (female)"
>>729921658We hit that era in 2015 and never left.
>>729915142I have no idea how the man who wrote that can also produce unironically great literature.
>>729919924Also Starkiller unironically had more character. He did.
>>729921658They were always wrong.
>>729921727>enter Star Wars EU books
>>729921813I know what I said.
>>729921658https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKm4ueVuxpYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-e7Upf6i7dE
>>729921135https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGaSxSuB2vYI thought the additional cgi scene spam was the worst of it, I cannot believe this shit actually exists and will continue to just ignore every version that came after the originals.How the fuck do you rape a movie this badly? Who actually greenlits this crap? Who actually thinks the scene is better now?I'll go back to my OLD GOOD NEW BAD time capsule now, fuck this fucking shit I'm not even that old to begin with.
and it is still a very bad game with an even worse sequel.
>>729921774He had more "story" and plot. He had no character. He is bland as fuck. He literally has no discernible traits other then angry and tense.
>>729921774it's hilarious because it's true
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAumBkRESuY
>>729915083>>729915142>all these puns>but "be careful not to choke on your aspirations" is too much
