Only few months before Deltarune Chapter 5 premiere. Are you ready for a new adventure with monster girls?
>>730015973>wearing a bra in the morning
What killed the hype?
>>730016808nothing, it was peaktobert delivered
>>730016112Good point
What fresh hells will Chara be visiting on the doe this time?
>>730016808We are literally still hyped 7 months after new chapters dropped. Deltarune will win all indie prizes if Krusie route is confirmed in the normal route
>>730017039Why is Cuckelle there? Shoudn't she stay in her designated space?
>>730016808>ARG gives us in-depth entries from Noelle, all of her "game-breaking" experiences, further hyping weird route>weird route, with only chapter 2, is already going blow-for-blow with genocide route and is set to surpass it entirely>ARG releases MORE shit>shows even how long we should expect the weird route to be per chapter>"3" is at big as "2" so people think it's going to be some crazy shit like chapter 2 again>chapter releases>being on the weird route adds one (1) line in chapter 3>toby thought the section you could do in both routes, as a tutorial for the weird route for some guy 10 years from now without internet, counts as the weird route experience (the newsletter proves the S-Rank room wasnt even planned at the start)>chapter 4's weird route is five minutes>it gets censored two days later>chapter 5's number on the website is only slightly bigger than chapter 4's
>>730017443i dont care about the censored scene itself (the new one looks better imo), toby caving in the first place means he has "oh shit i cant do this or else people will be upset because its too rapey!!" in mind and will tone down shit before we even know about it
>>730015973>Susie>wearing a braDumb OP
>>730017994I'm Very Bad
I wish for a pandemic that only strikes and kills people with autism. Imagine how better the world could become with autism genocide
>>730017906Why woudn't she wear a bra? She's still a girl, not some troon who hate female things like bras and tampons
>>730018295You would die too, Anon.
>>730016808Too much doe lovin'
>>730015973Ready for shipkek nuclear holocaust.
When can we expect Noelle to open a Dark Fountain?
>>730018789why would she do that
>>730017257Chara will make her marry her childhood friend and have kids with him, like she always wanted.
>>730018871I have no idea, but its being foreshadowed>Kris, Susie, NoelleKris is the first person we see opening a fountain, Susie is the second
>>730016808For the weird route? It being frontloaded.
>>730018607Nope. I'm not a furry subhuman like you
>>730018789When Rudy dies.
>>730018673Everything implies Krusie will once again cuck Noelle, while Weird route is the designated Kriselle route
>>730019172This is a gamr for human lovers too though.
>>730019172If you didn't already have autism, you caught it when you clicked on /v/. I'm sorry you had to find out this way.
>>730018627Not enough doe loving
>>730020404We WILL shake the ferris wheel.
>>730017443The weird route being frontloaded was definitely a mistake. I can't say it's as good as the genocide route when most of it is the exact same as the normal route.
>>730020784Proceed
>>730017382Everyone gets their turn in the chair
>>730021383Whatever route gives us Kriselle is automatically best route
>>730021383>The weird route being frontloaded was definitely a mistake. I can't say it's as good as the genocide routeYou mean the route where you do two (2) boss fights and skip the rest of the game
>>730021421SOVLelle is end game
>>730017443>toby thought the section you could do in both routes counts as the weird route experienceIt does and it was the best part of Chapter 3 for a lot of peoplehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEMpLyFJ8wI
>>730021818Yes. Most of the areas you go in are changed, and the fact we one-shot most bosses is different, too. Meanwhile there's genuinely no difference between normal and weird in Chapter 1, 2 and 4 (outside of one scene)
>>730021994Yeah, the SWORD ROUTE is the best part of Chapter 3. I do agree with the other anon that it doesn't count as weird route changes, though.
Claim the doe, possess the doe body and mind.
>>730018298You're so retarded
Janny lostEveryone knows you're a gay pedophile samefagger makng the same thread with the same posts to yourself all day every day
>>730017382
Imagine. There are anons with so little self respect that they choose used up trailer trash purple dinosaur over pure innocent (but not really) childhood friends doe. I guess some men are just born simps.
>>730019886No it isn't.
>>730022376
>>730022443
>>730022414Wrong
>>730021994>”toriel” variable in the Zelda gameWhat did Kris’s whore mom do?
>>730015973nawbut that's because I'm not playing it until it's actually donefuck episodic releases
>>730022512
>>730022443Dess is the poor man's dollar store Noelle.>no official images yetAnd its going to be hilarious when she looks nothing like the fan art
>>730022512Dess knows what truly rocks.
>>730022594
>>730022264>>730022345Damn, you're really eager to post the moment those 60 seconds are up, huh?
>>730022512>Nine Inch NailsSaw ‘em last year. Fun concert.
>>730022397Reminder Kriselle has an official route unlike Krusie. Kriselle is winning hard.
>>730022771
>TANKS Snowgrave and makes Snowgravefags CRY by being such a BEAST
>>730016808nothing, it's still the most kino part of Deltarune
>>730022681>even in dessfags fantasies they are cucked by AsrielIt saddens me to know that no insult I throw at them will hurt them more than their own existence already does.
>>730022843
>>730022852He's fallen down and will turn to dust at any second.
>>730022917Why is Noelle nigger trying to start beef for no reason?
>>730022685I don't vague post or podt images when insulting you
im only here for doe posting
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>>730022527No I'm right. Your off model crossgender headcanon versions of Kris and Chara aren't even relevant to undertale, let alone deltarune.
>>730023204
>>730022908Kris was like ten. You can't cuck a ten year old.
>>730023290
>>730022961>2 m-more weeks, he HAS to be dead...I will pray for you snowgravesister
>>730015973susie gets impregnated with human seed
>>730023552>dat ASS-rielYou can’t convince doesn’t draw him getting fucked
>>730023267>KrisDamn, you really are a troll.
>>730022908They are clearly self-inserting as Asriel and not Kris. I know you can't imagine a world where Kris isn't a self-insert but they do exist.
>>730023701>You can’t convince doesn’t draw him getting fuckedBro had a strokeNo I'm pretty sure that artist doesn't do any lewds
>>730022034Genocide very much boils down to the Undyne fight, the ending sequence with Flowey, and the Sans fight. The majority of the gameplay isn't different from doing a normal "kill everyone" Neutral run.There are more subtle differences in Chapter 3 and 4, and the ending of Chapter 4 is a pretty direct signal that things are going to go off the rails in Chapter 5.Regardless, Deltarune is a real ~40 hour RPG with an actual story and characters that doesn't entirely revolve around your actions, while Undertale is a game that can be beaten in a few hours and basically entirely revolves what you do with the FIGHT/SPARE system. I wouldn't expect them to be structured the same way but still think it's silly to accuse the Weird Route of being "frontloaded" when we only have the first half of the game and Genocide is heavily focused around two scenes.>>730022121>I do agree with the other anon that it doesn't count as weird route changes, though.It's not actually Weird Route content but it very much evokes the same feeling to the point that people playing blind get genuinely worried that they're "ruining their save file" by playing it.The other anon is misrepresenting the "Weird Route expectation" thing (which itself is just an assumption) anyway.deltarune.com/chapter5/ has Chapter 3 completely hidden, and deltarune.com/chapter3/ directly tells you it's "Not applicable."The 3 is hidden, and the "Not applicable" has the secret "But..." that comes on if you hold left. Both of these are telling you that Chapter 3 does not have its own "Weird Route," but has another secret thing that might be just as consequential instead. Which is the very Weird Route-like Sword Game, which gets you the Shadow Mantle, which most people will need to have any chance at beating The Knight, which is necessary to collect all of the Shadow Crystals, which could also lead to a different ending.
>>730023135NTA but didnt you have an entire fucking meltdown yesterday over your charatranny posts getting taken down? Im not sure youre fooling anybody but the room temp iq tards
>>730022607Interesting take when Noelle looks nothing like that fanart
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>>730018298Anon-kun, women don't like using bras when sleeping. You need to interact with them more.
>>730024019
>>730022852>gets put into a coma with no sign of waking up ever againYeah I'm sure KEKly tanked that brain damage pretty well.
>>730023893Yes, he had a meltdown because jannies deleted him. I have no idea why he constantly tries to pretend to be two schizos. The guy whining about jannies/samefagging also disappeared around the same time he said he would go to sleep and appeared the same he woke up. It's clearly just one schizo.
>>730023893Can I just hate all of them? The charatranny faggot, the avatarfagging charafags, the oikofaggot, all of them deserve a barbed wire enema.
>>730024247Why exactly do you think you can get away with pretending to be multiple people? Or lying about threads people can read without posts making fun of you being deleted?>inb4 accused of being your nemesis despite this post being my first one itt
>>730023893Yes you are that "A", and you were the one who threw a tantrum, spamming over 100 images over the course of a couple of hours just because you were upset you got called out. I actually have to leave for an hour or two now, and I suspect you will do it again. Please reconsider suicide ag some point, so we can have proper threads again.
>>730022857Kris...
>>730022264Based. Deltatroon generals won't be protected forever.
>>730024247Blatant samefag>>730024452He can actually "get away" with it because he is or knows a janny, and hates deltarune for not having Chara
>>730023887>The majority of the gameplay isn't different from doing a normal "kill everyone" Neutral run.The point isn't gameplay but story changes. Genocide has story changes ever since you leave the RUINS, while Weird Route genuinely has none outside of Chapter 2 and two Chapter 4 scenes. So that's why I think genocide is better so far. Maybe in the future it will surpass it, but I am judging it as it is.
>>730024616Bro, you are the same weirdo that was having a breakdown and accusing like 6 humanposters as being one person. I would know because I was one of them. I thought the people obsessed with yagi were crazy but you literally just prove them right the more you sperg out.This is my first and last time that I'll ever be interacting with you, so don't expect a reply to whatever schizoid theory you decided on for me.
>>>/tv/ POSEHAVE YOU EVER SEEN SUCH A>>730000000
>>730024452There's literally nothing to hide. You can just check and see all the deleted posts and see that anon is right.https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/729945884/#q729954217Also despite the spoiler you most definitely are the schizo using a different device, as you share the same opinions as him and you only showed up to defend him.
>>730025095Holy mother of CHECKED. We love TV here.
>>730024596>Anti-Deltarune schizo teams up with anti-undertale schizo
>>730022857>>730024586Kris's fursona used to be a boss monster, till they grew up and developed their own personality. Then they moved onto doggies.
Carol and Asgore were childhood Friends and also they fucked.
>>730024231>CHADly ALLEGEDLY put into a coma courageously facing a bloodthirsty mass murderer>HOelle getting THORNED, USED UP, and DISCARDED as we speak, completely losing any sense of self and becoming an even bigger toolWho had the worse fate?
>>730025151>archive points to irrelevant garbage reply in the thread>check deleted posts in that thread>Posts saying to fuck off and quit spamming>Post highlighting that you were the one posting toddler porn>Post pointing out that deleting it only makes it more obvious that you did it and are filling the thread with garbage>basically all of them are followed by spam>Accusation that I had to be samefagging because no one else could find your behavior annoyingYou really are an idiot.
>>730025606When will this menace be leashed?
>"I don't know." - So, you don't think it was really YOU that made her smile?>"...it wasn't her smile anymore" - That's where you're wrong.
>>730025074It was never regular craziness, my man. That guy is legit ill.https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/text/Charatranny/All of this is literally from one person. Yesterday was just his biggest meltdown due to a combination of jannies doing their job + no (you)s being given to him.
>>730023824You can't blame him for having a stroke, look at the sheer vastness of that wedding cake. That is not for the faint of heart.
>>730025095ok based dumb machine
>>730025960Dreemurr men have good genesHow does Torie cope with losing all that?
>>730023887>The 3 is hidden, and the "Not applicable" has the secret "But..." that comes on if you hold left. Both of these are telling you that Chapter 3 does not have its own "Weird Route,"No one took it to mean that. There was already doubt about Chapter 3 having a Weird Route since it was strongly suggested Noelle wouldn't be in it. When that website page dropped the interpretation people had was the game seemingly confirming that suspicion only to go "SURPRISE! Chapter 3 has Weird Route stuff and it's going to be AS BIG as the stuff in Chapter 2!"Instead people are left to discover that doing chapter 3 weird route stuff is just doing chapter 3 again. Even worse we're now left with knowing that Chapter 5's weird route content is apparent not going to be as impactful as Chapter 2's either. And if you want to talk about expectations. The expectations was in weird route being an upgrade on the genocide route on undertale. And the genocide route didn't have massive portions where it played identically to the main route.
>>730025606That old fursona? Ralsei, which is why Kris didn't like him that much.
>>730025869Noelle is going to be the Chara of Deltarune.
>>730026421Based "Ralsei = Kris's wish to be like their family" fan. Fuck everyone who believes Ralsei isn't that because other things also have the devil horn thingies. It's almost like the red horn headband symbolizes Kris is a whole or something, and with them being central to the plot more things can resemble the headband.
>>730026456That's already Kris.
>>730026456Noelle or DessTake your bet
>>730015973>>730017039>>730017275the purple one smells bad
>>730015973I love the implication that Kris is either so dense that he doesn't even realize Susie was bullying him, or was so horny for Dragon pussy that he just allowed it to happen.
>>730025074>>730025873Blatant samefaggotry, again. Also hilarious how you call 77 posts over the course of 6 months "all of this" while you spam hundreds of times in every thread. Also you still never explained what the fuck yagi is supposed to mean
/dg/ - Deltarune General
>>730026191>decapitates Sweet Cap'n Cakes and dances over the decapitated headBased
>>730026421>>730026669Ralsei is Kris's and maybe Dess's perception of Asriel as a doormat. His object is the doll Dess made of him. His name is a fucking anagram of Asriel.
>>730026456>>730026670There is no one dimensional retard murderer in deltarune though. Kris is a hero
>>730026782>Also you still never explained what the fuck yagi is supposed to meanYagi is some grown man he thought was a child that he tried to get access to and failed.He thinks he posts here
>>730027051>One dimensional retard murdererHey, that's ME!
>>730026209>No one took it to mean that.Reasonable people did, unreasonable people started schizoposting about how you were going to have to somehow time travel back to Chapter 1 to take King's cape which was secretly the Shadow Mantle and bring it back to Chapter 3 somehow and that's how you would have to continue the Weird Route. Or they just stuck to their Firegrave shit."It's hidden because you need to do something obscure" didn't make any fucking sense because doing cryptic bullshit with Noelle was how it started in the first place.People with reasonable expectations who know Toby Fox or can just fucking read understood that it was always about Noelle and was always going to be about Noelle, instead of making Toriel kill Undyne and Susie kill Lancer and Catti kill Jockington
>>730026669It's an oldie but a goodie. People like to say it got debunked by Chapter 3 and 4 but I still believe on it. The only other one is that Kris and Ralsei literally made him for the role of third hero.
>>730026456>the Chara of Deltarune
>>730027051I will never understand your visceral Chara/Undertale hate schizo-kun.
I really REALLY want to make sweet love to Kris. either gender I don't care I need them.
>>730027051>Omori is a heroNot even shit tasteYou're just retardedMy condolences
>>730027315Deltarune already has a shit load of undertale equivalents. Some even get lampshaded like tenna/mettaton
FEACHER
>>730026967>Ralsei is Kris's and maybe Dess's perception of Asriel as a doormat. His object is the doll Dess made of him. His name is a fucking anagram of Asriel.Bro, you're so fucking close to getting itRalsei isn't just a copy / interpenetration of Asriel.Ralsei's is so similar to Asriel because Kris wanted to be like their older brother whom they adore. Kris wanted to be like their family. Hence the horns. As Kris matured they eventually learned that "No one can choose who they are in this world." And rationally gave up on it, but emotionally they still feel like an outcast.Ralsei is the perfect little brother to Asriel. Both are goodie-two-shoes, both are kind and sweet and talented. Ralsei is the little brother Kris wishes they could be.
>>730027315Knight is Flowey.
Kris and Susie will get married and have 5 beautiful hybrid babies together. trust the plan.
>>730027191>Reasonable people didReasonable people were the ones figuring that chapter 3 won't have weird route stuff at first. They're the ones who then had that challenged by that website. If there was really people thinking chapter 3 wouldn't have weird route stuff due to the website when the website literally hinted at it having that. Post em.>People with reasonable expectations who know Toby Fox or can just fucking read understood that it was always about Noelle and was always going to be about Noelle, instead of making Toriel kill Undyne and Susie kill Lancer and Catti kill JockingtonYou're going off on a tangent. This has nothing to do with people thinking snowgrave wasn't going to be about Noelle.
>>730027478Deltarune itself is a mirror to Undertale, down to their names being an anagram of each other.
>>730025607Canonically college friends.
>>730017382>still believing in monogamyits 2025, we're allowed to have 3 way poly instead of this dumb love triangle/cuck shit
>>730017039Post the yuri version
>>730027469That schizo genuinely believes Chara is the only evil character in this series (and one dimensional evil, at that) and that everyone is good, including Kris and the Knight, the Roaring isn't actually bad and killing darkners is good. Being a thread schizo means you must have shit opinions as well.
>>730027806Toby would never be so based
>>730017382>>730028954This would unironically be the greatest ending of all time if this happens for real.
>>730029097There's one? Really?
>>730028041>They're the ones who then had that challenged by that website.No, they had that confirmed when deltarune.com/chapter3 plainly states "Not applicable."It was quickly understood from the context that all of this was talking about the Weird Route, and if Chapter 3 was "N/A, but..." it did not continue/have its own Weird Route but instead had something else>Post em.I was there. Go look for yourself.https://x.com/Ach_xt/status/1920710386988327178>This has nothing to do with people thinking snowgrave wasn't going to be about Noelle.Firegrave and other stupid theories about us getting new party members every Chapter all came from the failure to understand that Noelle was a main character, something that has been known since Chapter 1 to people who have been paying attention.
>>730028954>>730029178Trust the plan
>>730027345I don't hate undertale, I hate you. It's not a problem that the meme hyper evil route of undertale stars an iredeemable demon, but it is a problem when you spam dogshit pixiv headcanon garbage of him a thousand times in every thread about a different fucking game, and try to drag all discussion of deltarune to undertale.
>Original sin tierThere's actually only one ending>Fandom crashout tierThere's only one ending, and its only accessible after doing both Normal and Weird Route>Actual copout tierThere are multiple endings (Reason why doesn't matter)>Massive copout tierThere are other endings, but they technically aren't "endings" because they're not stated to be endingsYou can't get to the ending in Weird routeThere are multiple endings to the story of Kris/Susie/Ralsei, its just that the actual ending the player experiences is only one (EX: The soul teleporting back to Undertale or Gaster's puppet or something)There's only one ending, but its made in such a way that what you see should be interpreted in a wildly different way based on what happened during the gameThere's only one ending but more stuff happens post endgame and its different based on your ending>Satisfying Conclusion tierEmpty. As if someone could actually figure out a way to make this work.
>>730025095>A T-score in ranked mongolian basket-weavingHoly based
>>730027469Kris isn't Omori retard>>730029138Chara isn't even the only evil character in undertale (Mettaton, for example), but he is the worst, and has no redeeming qualities. Also I've never said killing darkners is intrinsically good, or that the knight is good, although you'd be retarded to think that it must be some unalloyed evil when we don't even know what it's doing or intends to do.
>>730029694You literally are glad people don't talk about Undertale, schizo-kun. You already said you only like Deltarune because you think you will date Noelle or Susie.
>>730029138The kind of idiot who self inserts as Kris despite more than half of the plot being that Kris is his own personYeah
Trannyjanny charafag was reduced to a pillar of salt for being a gay pedophile
>>730029880>Man unironically belives that his choices don't matter.
>>730016808Probably the delay of Chapter 5. I bet that it was supposed to end on a major cliffhanger or story beat to keep the anticipation for Chapter 6+, but since it got cut, we had to make do with Chapter 4's ending, as much as Toby tried to spice it up.>Chapter 1: Ended on the note of Kris revealing he has his own agency from the player, brandishing a knife, and making an evil grin before Don't Forget plays for the very first time; all while we had NO fucking idea what this "survey program" even was.>Chapter 2: Ended on Kris creating a dark fountain in his own house after having already throwing out his soul earlier, and the TV grinning before cutting to black.>Chapter 3 & 4: Ended on the somber moment of "The Place Where it Rained" playing in the background as Kris and Susie walk around Hometown at night, only for said moment to be immediately undercut by Sans and Toriel dancing (although the Weird Route's version with the red pixel before the credits was more impactful probably); Toby had to bust out the Gaster monologue after the credits and show Chapter 5's release year to make up for this.
>>730030183>There are multiple endings because your choices matterHmm... Sorry, best I can do is put you in the incoherent argument tier.
>>730030074I said that you shouldn't drag every fucking deltarune thread into undertale shit, not that it's bad to like undertale. Also, no, I never said anything like that, and have strong doubt Kris will even survive the game.
>>730030268If there is only one ending your choices objectively do not matter
>>730029880>There are other endings, but they technically aren't "endings" because they're not stated to be endings>You can't get to the ending in Weird routeI don't know, the idea of giving the player ultimate "freedom" by letting them kill and destroy everything and having this "break the game" because every NPC is dead and you've just softlocked yourself in an empty sandbox forever is kind of compelling
>>730030093Unironically yes, which is why he sees FemKris as tranny shit, because he sees as it calling him a girl (which is why he roleplays as a tranny)
>>730030268If the ending's the same, anon, then you could almost say that any choice you made during the game... doesn't matter.Hmm. That's odd. That's almost like exactly what I fucking said.
>>730029880There are only two endings, normal and weird. Done.
>>730030446But that's not the weird route. We've only killed one guy so far and that was self defense. It's not clear what exactly it's leading too, but it's obviously not just a retread of UT's genocide.
>>730030632And just betray your original premise?
>>730030093>>730030523Utterly incoherent samefaggotry
>>730030678>and that was self defense
>>730030689The weird route is a weird pseudo ending that doesn't really count because it's weird.
>>730030689>In this World, it's kill or be killed!You have fallen for World Famous Composer and Professional Voice actor Tony Fox's manipulation, anon.
>>730030807Says who?
>>730030793Berdly attacked us
>>730031154Me.
>>730030997I can see why you think that but there's a huge difference between Flowey saying "ITS KILL OR BE KILLED" and Toby Fox saying "There's something more important than reaching the end" and stating multiple times that in his original plan there's only one ending.
>>730031154Some youtuberI saw the video too, is fun as a concept but actually dumb to set up as an alternate route
>>730031215The plan is writing a story where the entire premise is trying to fight fate.
>>730031215Yep, so don't be surprised when the game ends next chapter and we've still got two chapters to go.
>>730029295No one in that link seems to claim that the website was confirming no weird route content in chapter 3.>Firegrave and other stupid theories about us getting new party members every Chapter all came from the failure to understand that Noelle was a main character, something that has been known since Chapter 1 to people who have been paying attention.Again you're going off on a tangent. We weren't talking about that at all.
>>730030793The schizo unironically thinks the weird route is the good route and that killing darkners and Berdly is actually a-okay
>>730031620Killing turdly is good lol
>>730031305I didn't get it from a youtuber. I believed on that shit since 2021. I should sue.
>>730015973>a few monthsLOLSee you in December
>>730031215You are kind of a dumbass if you think Toby is going to railroad you into a bad ending0% chance of that happening
>>730017275She's missing a hair texture in the first panel, did she install counter strike source?
part of me wishes this game didnt have console ports and also that toby was a better programmer>chapter 6 ends on a black screen>you hear the susie textbox noise but theres nothing there>until you tab out of the window and two shimejis of kris and susie are standing on your taskbar looking confused
>>730031327>>730031478Its a snoozefest in hereI'm not interesting to just say that there's only one ending and then have two endings.You can bring up Flowey saying "ITS KILL OR BE KILLED", but that in itself was made interesting because its referred to later and the game talks about how Asriel became a unfeeling flower. So come up with something more creative than "The game will just have multiple endings and Toby saying otherwise just him being subversive for no reason lol".>>730031983>Anon is making shit up alreadyOn the other hand if you were capable of doing that I suppose you would've realized it already.
>>730031215
>>730030268Anon giving a player choices is good. Making those choices have no impact on the ending is bad.Tobert is not a hack. There will be multiple endings depending on your choices.
>>730032117>to just say that there's only one endingToby never said this btw
>>730032487>Toby never said this btwhttps://deltarune.com/help/
>rape Noelle>rape Susie>rape Kris>rape Toriel>rape Undyne>rape Dessaw yeah it's DETERMINATION time
>>730032487Who do you think wrote the FAQ on the website, Steam page, Nintendo Switch store page, and every other website/store front for Deltarune?
The entire premise of the game is changing fate and changing a bad ending. You fat ass retard. Stop clinging to this gotcha idea that Toby fox is gonna end deltarune with a "and fuck you, the player" title card. You are genuinely a stupid nigger 80iq at the maximum
>>730032719>I can't read>That makes YOU retardedWow... Never saw it that way...
Some day /v/ will understand that Deltarune is a game built around contradictions ("Your name is Kris"/Kris is their own person, "Only one ending"/Create a new future, "Your choices don't matter"/You control the FATE of the world)But that day probably isn't today
>>730032682Not toby
>>730032105It would be cool but nowadays console players are his biggest audience. Especially in the east.
>>730029178I doubt Toby is brave or edgy enough to give Kris a Harem ending but if he did it would be fucking hilarious and excuse every other shortcoming of the game.
>* I... I want to. I want to believe again.>* I want to believe... it can change!>* That there isn't just one ending!>* Susie's hope... Her naive hope...>* It's... infectious, isn't it, Kris?>* ... So, until we see FATE with our own eyes...>* Let's believe, too.
>>730027191>Reasonable people did, unreasonable people started schizoposting about how you were going to have to somehow time travel back to Chapter 1 to take King's cape which was secretly the Shadow Mantle and bring it back to Chapter 3 somehow and that's how you would have to continue the Weird Route.The majority thought this, combined with the Ramb/Romb link, meant the Shadow Mantle was involved to access the Weird Route for Chapter 3>"no you see i myself didnt believe in firegrave/timetraveling/other lightners appearing etc."Is not an argument. You are looking at it with hindsight and how it can make sense now, not how it was perceived at the time.
>>730032680Buddy uf you only you knew how much rape fanfiction this game has.
>>730032117It's "one ending...?". The question is for the worser ending of the weird route.
>>730032487>>730032586>NO responseRun BITCH.
>>730033085>People read this and think the SOUL isn't Kris' and is some player insertIt's actually sad that the average fan of this game is too retarded to understand a children's game
>>730033150Man, I wonder what ending we'll bring. The end of everything?
>>730033249That's not toby
>>730033290>He hasn't realized that Kris had to steal the Gaster puppet's soul and humans in Deltarune don't have souls
>>730033407who is it
>>730033301You can get a ending in the current version of Undertale by giving up. It starts the Roaring.
>>730033290Kris literally removes that SOUL and Noelle refers to soulless Kris as the real him.
>>730032719Toby is a gud boi who just wants everyone to get along. Thats why he shit on people who did the genocide route in undertale so hard. And if you gave up your soul at the end he shit on you even harder. I think more than anything he wants to persuade you to be nice but leaves the option to be evil there with consequences to make a point.Literally the only thing that would make me regret the weird route is pic related. I would unironically reinstall the game and play it over again from the beginning to prevent that from happening.
>>730033413It's just so cool for a person to be in conflict with their own SOULAnd this fandom decided to go with "this heart was teleported here from another dimension and it's literally MEEE!"Just fucking sad. What a waste
>>730026761That sounds like mean girl flirting
>>730033085Kris wouldn't be at odds with his own soul dumbass. We also know he knows how to remove a soul from his body. Ralsei just doesn't know Kris has done this and had it replaced
>>730033690>MY HEADCANON IS COOLER THAN YOUR HEADCANONOh so that's what this is about. Go on then.
>>730033301>The end of everything?We already did that in Undertale. Or Chara did, at least. It's going to be worse.
>>730033765I think the dumbass here is you. :<
>>730033290>>730033765The SOUL is Kris's SOUL, which You have taken control of>Ralsei just doesn't know Kris has done thislol
OFFICIAL DEFINITIVE ROARING KNIGHT'S IDENTITY LISTALWAYS BET ON PAPYRUS KNIGHT TIER>PapyrusGOD TIER TRICKERY, TONY FOX>Rudy>AsrielCOOL TIER>Carol>Kris's real SOUL / Vessel with Kris's real SOUL>Dess>Asriel/Dess with Kris's real SOUL>Vessel with Asriel's or Dess's SOULOK I GUESS>Vessel by itself>IMAGE_FRIEND / ERAMABSOLUTE DOGSHIT, IM SHITTING IN YOUR ONSEN TOBY TIER>"""dess's corpse/dust/soul""" alone and anything similar>"""asriel's corpse/dust/soul"" alone and anything similar>character we haven't seen before>multi knight / amalgaknight>gaster's stand/titanspawnINCREDIBLY STUPID IN REALITY BUT WOULD STILL MAKE ME JAWDROP REALTIME>Asgore>Noelle in any way
>>730033681The point of the weird route is to indulge and corrupt Noelle, if anyone ends up getting stabbed it'll be Kris
>>730033810But what could be worse than that? Recreating the Deltarune world without Kris?
>>730033881so why was gaster stealing kris' soul then
>>730033918if you think papyrus is the knight he has successfully fooled you with his retard act
>>730033918Why would it make more sense for the knight to just be Dess and not a darkner based on Dess
>>730034045Kris probably offered their SOUL to Gaster in exchange for him promising it would help find Dess or something like that. But then Dess or someone else got it back and put it in Kris instead of the Vessel.
>>730033290whats sadder is people will fully unironically reply to this like its a serieous post
>>730033918>THE OBVIOUS TRUTH TIERDess>OBVIOUS TRUTH PERMUTATIONSLiterally just full on normal DessDess's dustnerEnslaved / brainwashed DessDess's soul inside of a darkener (my favorite, my guess is a mini-titan thing, and that Dess is fully conscious and in control because titans don't have a mind).>The only acceptable alternative but still shit tierCarol>"I want the story to be bad" tierEverything else
>>730033956>if anyone ends up getting stabbed it'll be KrisI can live with that.
>>730032719I understand your frustration because I share it. Seeing people project their own retarded, one-dimensional, a normie-tier knowledge of storytelling is really frustrating. But I also don't think the premise of the game can be boiled down to changing fate, because we've kinda already had that theme during Undertale, a determination so strong it can win any battle. Deltarune, in my opinion, is inspired by a Hindu tradition called Advaita Vedanta. Changing fate is fine but there's layers to this shit, we can go deeper, WHO is watching our fate? WHO is choosing our fate? WHY are we trapped inside our own fates? You see according to that Hindu tradition both Atman (Self) and Brahman (Ultimate Reality; The Fabric of Everything) are THE same, this is called non-duality, in other words, you are NOT the author of fate, you are NOT a victim of fate, but you are THE SCREEN on which fate plays, YOU are awareness itself, it does not exist outside of your own self. This can be seen in the fact (You), the player, is denied the position of author, your vessel is literally discarded by a strange voice at the very beginning of the game. The events unfold, and no matter what you do, there's still ONE ending, your choices DON'T matter. Deltarune is NOT about changing fate, and it's also NOT about accepting it, the true lesson is that the watcher, the chooser, and the trapped subject were never separate to begin with.
>>730034045Kris becoming your vessel was always the plan. You think Gaster would just let someone else interfere in his experiment and not do anything about it?>AND WHAT ABOUT THE CREATOR? >YOUR OWN NAME.>"KRIS." >HOW INTERESTING. >YOU ARE ABOUT TO MEET SOMEONE >VERY, VERY WONDERFUL.
>>730034239that doesn't answer the question
Why is carol’s ass so flat
>>730034239The vessel is a rhetorical tool and not a literal thing
>>730033681>Thats why he shit on people who did the genocide route in undertaleBoth Susie and Noelle did the genocide route in their respective games. Noelle STILL is the kind of player that would do the genocide route just to find out every nook and cranny of the game. How does Toby shit on them?
>>730034318rudy knight is objectively plausible however
>>730033918>Asriel/Dess with Kris's real SOULWhat I'm thinking.>PapyrusWhat I'm always betting on, baby.
>>730034367Shut up ranjeet
>>730034401It does?The point is Gaster didn't steal Kris' SOUL, he was offered it by Kris. He took the SOUL for his device and connected it to (You) and was going to put it in an empty human vessel.But then the second voice came in and took the SOUL back, putting it back into Kris. Gaster probably just let it go cause he found the idea interesting.
>>730034367Literally name one time where Toby references hindu bullshit.
>>730034594The knight literally does "I'm so cool" tier poses that Rudy and Carol would never do, but a teenage punk rock loving bad girl who's possibly been trapped in a fantasy world for a close to a decade? Yes."Aura" unironically demolishes Rudy and Carol knight.
>>730034318>>"I want the story to be bad" tierThat'd be Dess, though. It's an obvious red herring, especially since we likely know where she's at.
>Only person to agree with >>730032719 is a jeetLmao...
>>730033979Softlock. You never reach an end.
>>730034383he says that for other party members retard>>730034626no it doesn't because it doesn't explain why gaster wanted kris' soul
>>730034367Philosophical and deep. But then again that sort of harkens back to how real life is. You get delt your hand and there's not much you can do to change your overall destiny in life besides a few minor variables. It comes off as an odd synthesis between determinism and non-determinism. For me the question always comes back to whether or not randomness truly exists. One can mull over if fate is predetermined or not but even if one thinks fate isnt predetermined it requires the existence of randomness to make that possible. In a deterministic world you can only have true randomness of you also cop out with a infinite parallel worlds theory of reality where every possible random event outcome also occurs in another parallel world.
>>730034483You wouldn't be saying that once it returns.
Kris is too innocent for Dess. Susie is the perfect match.
>>730034367>Deltarune is NOT about changing fateDo you think we were "supposed to" beat The Knight or not
asgore is the nigga on the phonethere is no way he could've known kris was in the bathroom on the weird route, unless he knew kris was going to be here beforehandcarol always comes early no matter the route"ill be right there" asgore shows up and intrudes/ruins everything like a dumbass (he isnt retarded, he would know hes being a fatass ruining a moment)
>>730035025Why is Kris not Jaundice yellow in this pic?
>>730035025But that's what makes Kress good, though.
>>730034545Wtf are you talking about? He punishes YOU the player of the game undertale. Because you are a real life person with agency and will. Why the fuck would he punish fictional characters for doing things that he is ultimately the one making them do?
>>730034984>he says that for other party membersYeah, and how would you have met them as the faceless vessel?You were always meant to become Kris
>>730034810>IT'S TOO OBVIOUS! LE RED HERRING!>IT'S NOT THE CHARACTER THE ENTIRE STORY REVOLVES AROUND>THE "UNUSED" DIALOGUE DISPROVES IT!!!!Lmao noAnyone who believes Dess is a red herring is a retard who wants to feel smart for disagreeing with the obvious.If you want a red herring Carol is right there. The actual red herring for casual players.We don't even know what the unused dialogue is btw. Could be egg man. Could be Dess when she first fell in and not Dess as she is right now. Could be Dess's mind while her body is being puppeted. Could be fucking Gaster or the vessel for all we know.
>>730034810>It's an obvious red herring,Yes but most other theories are "Toby gave the Knight antlers and a baseball bat to be edgy" cheap plot twist idiocy.
S TIER>SOVLelle>doelester>any berdly shipA TIER>Krusie>Kriselle>AlphoreB TIER>Ralsusie>SorielFAGGOT TIER>any gay shipBRIMSTONE DARKNER HELL TIER>Suselledo we agree on this?
>>730034810>It's an obvious red herr-ACK!
>>730035185>and a baseball batSong is called black knife, works like a blade.Story by Toby Fox
>>730034984Oh, you mean why Kris specifically?That we don't have as many clues for. Gaster's motivations in general are very much a mystery beyond him wanting "His Deltarune".The Prophecy requires a human SOUL, so it could be that Gaster just needed ANY human SOUL and Kris happened to be the first human to contact him and offer it up.Or, if Gaster's stuff needed it to be Kris specifically, it could be tied to Kris' connection to Dess, since Gaster was also very likely involved in her disappearance in the first place. Part of the story he's setting up for whatever reason in this "experiment".
>>730035170>Yeah, and how would you have met them as the faceless vessel?I dunno, going to Hometown?
>>730027806What will be the finale of the apple journey in chapter 7?
>>730035072>asgore is the nigga on the phoneYou can literally see him monologuing in the bathroom while Kris is still on the phone.
>>730035264What tier is the Kris harem ending?
>>730035181>We don't even know what the unused dialogue is btw.You can apply your entire post to the knight too. You can say it's "obvious" that it's Dess, but it can be a couple of other options.>carol is the red herringAgain, Toby has MINDFUCKED you. You're already assuming that the person on the phone is the knight yourself.
>>730035181>or the vessel for all we know.It speaks in female pronouns in Japanese. Girl vessel confirmed.
>>730028954its all hekking based poly until it's 1 girl and 2 dudes
>>730035332Music by Toby Fox
>>730035264For Deltarune ships? Mostly. Some of these I don't care but overall is solid.
>>730035160oh noooo im so sad with a fuck ton of new dialoge, two new bosses, and the entire game playing differently
>>730035264>BRIMSTONE DARKNER HELL TIER*>Soriel>Suselleftfy
>>730034464Noelle is the outlier as Carol intentionally raised her with exercises and diet grown specifically according to human male/soul tastes
>>730034383This is because Kris was the original roaring knight and thus a major force in the story.
>>730034613I'm not Indian at all, though I wish an Indian would come out and weigh in cause my understanding of Hinduism is surface-level. >>730034653This is jumping through hoops but BEAR WITH ME! Toby Fox once mentioned David Lynch, Toby rarely mentions other creatives, so the fact he even thought about mentioning Lynch tells me Toby is definitely a fan of Lynch's works. Specifically Twin Peaks has a lot of similarities to Deltarune. For example, in both Deltarune and Twin Peaks, we have a demonic, otherworldly entity called MIKE (all caps), Twin Peaks is about the murder of Laura Palmer, which leaves its small town absolutely distraught by it, similar to how Dess's disappearance also changed the lives of the people in that town and the town itself, despite all the NPCs being kinda lowkey and hush hush about it. I could go on, but I'll save you the time. Now, David Lynch was big into Hinduism, he practiced TM (Transcendental Meditation) daily, in an interview he also said TM was how he got ideas for his works, TM is a practical application of Advaita Vedanta. In his book Catching the Big Fish, Lynch opens numerous chapters with quotes from the Upanishads, the foundational texts of Advaita Vedanta. Most notably, he uses the line, "That infinite source of the whole universe... That thou art" (referencing Tat Tvam Asi from the Chandogya Upanishad) to describe pure consciousness.Now, Toby Fox is clearly VERY clever, and if he was a fan of Lynch, he definitely would seek Lynch's own words into the creative process, so it is not a stretch to say what inspired the metaphysics of Twin Peaks, also inspired the metaphysics of Deltarune.
>>730035625>soriel a ship that annoys at best the leftover asgorefags across a decade that havent give up>susellegame-ruining forced yurincel ship that affects the whole fandom and cucks kris as a whole
>>730015973I'm glad they're not bundling chapters, that was a terrible idea that affected the quality of both ch3 and 4
>>730035385You were going to be the second human in Hometown, get sent to the closet with Susie and meet the Darkner that looks weirdly looks like Kris's brother (who already knows Kris and Susie's name and was expecting them)?Does that make more sense than you just being Kris?
>>730034367>>730035696OH MY GOD FUCK OFF ITS ALWAYS THE TWIN PEAKS SCHIZO
>>730035337>>730035574Are you blind or just stupid?
>>730035527Yeah, everyone saying based Krusielle would hate this type of throuple, which is ironically enough the Weather-Roulxs throuple, too.
>>730035848Deltarune is 100% inspired by Twin Peaks, how am I schizo for stating the obvious?Also, this is the first time I ever mentioned Twin Peaks on these threads, if you're thinking of someone else, it's not me.
>>730035160If you think doing the genocide route is a bad thing, then why would you go ahead and show people who did the genocide route as good, normal people?
so world of the game a simulation? because i tried to stab the floor a few times in my life so it will be dumb a world where any can open a dark fountain by accident
>>730035657Baaased
>>730035902You know I had a fantasy where a wife and husband cornered me and both of them started flirting with me just like this.
>>730035898Song Name: Black KnifeComposed by: Toby Fox>b-but it becomes itIts always a sword.
>>730035805Yes, unironically. Because Kris was the antagonist.
>>730035494>it can be a couple of other optionsNo, it really can't.>You're already assuming that the person on the phone is the knightNo, you are. Carol is the mastermind, not The Knight.
>>730032882Is Toby autistic?So Determination is some actual substance like a fucking liquid bone marrow that humans produce?And on top of that every human also appears to be gender neutral fembot with they/them pronouns. So basically Undertale/Deltarune humans aren't really humans by this point..
>>730036036Roulxs...
>>730035678>>730036062>time loop shit
>>730033918Noelle would have been kino if she's with split personality or possessed by FRIEND
>>730035984theres no DEPTHS currently under you so no dark fountain
>>730033301No you will save the world and prevent the disaster, by murdering everyone in the world so nothing can happen to it. Destiny is prevented but effectively you have traded world destruction for the destruction of everything in the world but not including the world
>>730035494Lmao grasping at straws so hard.We know it's Dess. The knight has fucking antler (so we know it's a holiday) and a baseball bat sword thing (immediately narrowing it down to Dess). Carol couldn't have reasonably made it, and Rudy is dying in the hospital with a nurse who has a view of the only door 24/7 so it's not like he can fucking slip out.And as I already said. The knight acts like an edgy teenager. It doesn't act like Rudy or Carol.
>>730035527>>7300359021 girl and 2 dudes is cuck shit. Not surprised chatranny is into it
>>730036105>no, it really can'tRudy, Carol, varying Kris soul Abominations (knight uses all his poses)>carol is the mastermindWhy did Carol decide to talk in a different voice at the end of the game depending on what route you're on? >screenshotNot confirmed it's Dess, just as the unused code dialogue isn't confirmed to be Dess
>>730036121>So basically Undertale/Deltarune humans aren't really humans by this point..Yes. Humans in this universe where always special beings with magical, supernatural powers. They were never "normal".
The Flower King Darkners better be sexy as hell to make up for Toby being a FUCKING COWARD in Chapter 3 and never letting us actually see the cactus waifu.
>>730035952Not that anon but I liked twin peaks also. Never watched the whole thing but the episodes I did watch were pretty good. It kind seemed like what Lynch was going for was just creating a comfy soap opera with paranormal themes. Like dont get me wrong im sure he put deep symbolism in there for the hard-core fans but mostly it just seemed like straight entertainment. I wonder if deltarune is similar to that idea? Like if deltarune was the reward/punishment chara/kris/frisk was given for the conclusion of undertale. Like the overseer of that world whether it be gaster or whoever figured that now that the world was over they would give the fallen child another shot at living the regular human life in the suburbs. But then the darkners world is kind of like an intrusion on that illusion.
>>730036274i hate rudyknight because its retarded but his room has a window
>>730036057It is visibly a different shape >>730035898The Black Knife changes shape just like The Knight doesThe question is why it's clearly a baseball bat when summonedClosing your eyes and going "NUH UH THAT'S NOT TRUE" just makes you look blind retarded and delusional
>>730036228Time loop CHADS rule these threads.
>>730036148I somehow didn't remember Rouxl's bullshit in chapter 4. It was actually so fucking cringe. You might actually just have ruined this for me, well done.
>>730035264Soriel and Suselle are equally shit and both are about NTRing a dreemur
>>730036274Plus I don't think Kris would share body language with Carol or Rudy
>>730036274>We know it's Dess.Objectively and absolutely wrong. >The knight has fucking antlerRudy, Carol> a baseball bat sword thingSong: Black Knife by Toby Fox>Rudy is dying in the hospital with a nurse who has a view of the only door 24/7 so it's not like he can fucking slip out."oh shit mr. holiday you stepped out for a bit... did you make a fucking fountain?"Who cares?Alternatively"hey can you bring berdly to the window so i can throw something at him?" meaning he can just dip whenever he wants.>The knight acts like an edgy teenager.That's literally your opinion, not how it's actually portrayed in the game.
>>730035753We are talking about Deltarune here, Soriel is foul garbage that directly griefed both Susie and Kris.
I think Kris should marry Asriel
>>730036547I have never liked sans. Not in the first game and not in this one. There is just something fundamentally offputting about him that makes my stomach churn.
>>730036338I don't know. It's heavily implied they will be based on the human kids. Even if not, they will be Asgore’s kids. So no heavy sexualization, probably.
>>730035952Pretty sure it's mostly JRP's inspiring Toby, especially Omori and Chrono Trigger on top of his dream
>>730036417Ah yes. And NOBODY has seen the terminally ill husband of the major (who everyone knows) walking around during broad daylight.>>730036551And this so fucking much. There are a gazillion reasons why it's Dess. There are NONE for what it's anyone else. If you don't think it's Dess you're just a terminal contrarian.>>730036647You have to be blind, retarded, or both to think it's anyone but Dess. You blind retard.
>>730036718Same, but I think he's like that on purpose, the guy is all but confirmed to be a dimension traveler and has ties to Gaster.
>>730036303Every single thing you personally hate is by chairtranny, including THAT thing. That person created everything you hate.
>>730036463>The question is why it's clearly a baseball bat when summonedThat still looks like a sword to me. Even if I did think it was a bat, that doesn't automatically mean it's Dess.>Closing your eyes and going "NUH UH THAT'S NOT TRUE" just makes you look blind retarded and delusionalYou are literally doing this when you refuse to see another option that isn't Dess, btw
>>730036310>Rudy, Carol, varying Kris soul AbominationsNone of these match the evidence and most don't even make sense in themselves, making astoundingly retarded assumptions that contradict basic facts we know about the gameThere are no plausible alternatives to Dess being the Knight.>Why did Carol decide to talk in a different voice at the end of the gameShe's disguising her voice when calling Kris about their evil fucking destroy the world planShe has no need to do that when she's calling Kris as Noelle's motherThere are no plausible alternatives to Carol being the voice on the phone.>Not confirmed it's DessYeah man that could be any mysterious hidden figure in that area of the Dark World sharing a strangely tender moment with Kris who is coded to have the sound of a guitar strum at zero volume at the end of the interaction. It's probably fucking Papyrus.
>>730036057Title has nothing to do with lore. Titan isn't guarding anything. Chaos King isn't actually ruling chaos etc
>>730036737>It's heavily implied they will be based on the human kids.>So no heavy sexualization, probably.When has that ever stopped us?
>>730036718Same bro I kind of wish there was a way to only kill sans in undertale. But Toby was too smart to allow that, he probably knew lots of people would do it because of the toriel ntr angle
>>730036872>Saying the Knight acts like a edgy child is YOUR opinion>What about the bat>Doesn't look like a bat to MEFunny how a huge problem like narcissism can be a problem when discussing something as simple as a child's videogame.
>>730036547the difference is that i and most of the fandom actually gives a shit about kris, and he still has a chanceasgore on the other hand already irreparably fucked up in a way we dont know yet, to the point that it's barely NTRif you lust after someone that ended things with you with no hope of getting back together, and someone else completely unrelated gets with her, did you get NTR'd? can that person never move on until you do yourself?
>>730036817>NO ARGUMENTI think we're done here. Mail me your concession later, thank you.
>>730036319Why not just name them differently? Archons? Demihumans? Terrans? Outsiders? Smoothskins? Anything?
>>730036872>That still looks like a sword to me.I don't care. You're wrong.>Even if I did think it was a bat, that doesn't automatically mean it's Dess.Yes, it does.>you refuse to see another option that isn't DessI refuse to believe that Toby Fox is a dogshit retard hack writer who would give the mysterious antagonist of his game defining features associated with exactly one character in the story and then make up a bullshit hack twist to tickle my balls and say he tricked me
>>730034810Dess knight only works if the knight is the result of a being like the titan spawn/titan took her soul and basically turned into a fucked I'm skin walker(it would explain how it can make dark fountains if it was a darker)
>>730036950>Titan isn't guarding anythingthat we know of>chaos king isn't actually ruling chaoshe is, thats what the state of his kingdom and a dark world was
>>730036503>Anon is mad that he is the DUKE of puzzles himself
>>730036846You posted chara/frisk dogshit, you are him
>Y-You have no argument!Anon is a blind retard confirmed, literally cannot read the thread.
My theory is Dess is lost in the code but she's also trying to communicate with Kris as seen when Spamton starts speaking normally, the hand that pushes Kris back or with the song from the lake.
>>730036547They are divorced. It's not NTR.
>>730036659>Soriel is foul garbage that directly griefed both Susie and Kris.Nobody cared before this with the "befriending your mom" statement or their other interactions in DT. Nobody gives a shit about Asgore, the fandom is currently hoping he crashes out after seeing it and actually fucking does something for once. Only Asgorefags want them to actually get back together.
>>730037285The knight is strong and can open fountains because it had Kris's human soul.
>>730037269Just ignore that nigger anon. He's either baiting, underage, or a literal blind retard. Not worth your time.
>>730037285The Knight is a Lightner.>>730037464Susie is strong and can open fountains.How did she get Kris's human soul?
>>730037269>I don't care. You're wrong.Black Knife by Toby Fox>Yes, it does.Asriel's Bat>I refuse to believe that Toby Fox is a dogshit retard hack writerJust because you fell for an OBVIOUS (which I WILL point out in hindsight after the next chapters releases, just like I did with firegrave/snowgrave ch.3 being retard) red herring, doesn't mean Toby Fox is at fault.
>>730037568Susie is not that strong. She also has her own soul and is a normal lightner, while the knight probably does not and is not
You guys should keep replying to my baits it makes me very happy.
>>730037065>when discussing something as simple as a child's videogame.Start with the words in front of your face before trying to comprehend Deltarune, dear. Acknowledging that it can be seen as a bat and providing an alternative is the clue you'll get.
>>730036057>It was always a swordWow, I didn't know that Susie walked around with an axe in her pocket.
>>730036718>>730036836You know, there's something creepy about a lot of Toby characters, and he doesn't always manage to play it off as just a joke.The part of the game where Sans was partying with Toriel was just cringe. Apparently Papyrus was originally a creepy stalker kind of character too.Before you learn what's up with Spamton he's just a washout who's trying to scam a teenager. I think the playtesters might have had a point there.Rouxl's not creepy but the throuple thing actually caused a lot of people to lower their opinion of him.
>>730036953I mean, you are right, BUT I was talking about Toby himself. We can always IMAGINE and sexualize things ourselves.
>>730037568I mean a darkner with a lightner's soul probably could travel though the light world plus the reason why I don't think it is a lightener is due to it glitching when getting hurt which is a trait only absorbed by to my knowledge by the titan and the titan spawn
>>730037580I think you guys don't actually understand how red herrings work
>>730037334Every post ITT is me.
Deltarune drives me mentally ill because it can so easily be both amazing and complete dogshit but refuses to make it clear which way it will go. I can see the foundations of both paths so clearly.
>>730037580>Black Knife by Toby FoxI think it's revealing how much of an ignorant retard you are that you think you have to keep citing something outside of the game because you don't know The Knight's weapon is called the Black Knife in-game.>I fell for FiregraveNo kidding, retard>>730037665>Susie is not that strongShe overpowers The Knight and cracks their weapon.>while the knight probably does not and is notBased on what? Vibes?The Knight can open fountains and can operate in the Light World. These are two things that only LIghtners can do. The Knight is a Lightner.
>>730037849The faint horror and creep tones are massively carrying the atmosphere of deltarune and even back in undertale, though.The sensation of piloting the character through danger against weird creeps like papyrus gives a real sense of adventure idk
>>730036950Titan is guarding the fountain tbf.
>>730036881>None of these match the evidence and most don't even make sense in themselves, making astoundingly retarded assumptions that contradict basic facts we know about the gameThere are no plausible alternatives to Dess being the Knight.Rudy and Carol has plenty of evidence to be a plausible alternative to the knight, starting with Antlers and possible motive.>There are no plausible alternatives to Carol being the voice on the phone.There is reason to believe Carol ISN'T the one of the phone, though. There's a reason Toby made sure that she shows up at the same time in both routes, despite being only called in one.>Dark World sharing a strangely tender moment with Kris who is coded to have the sound of a guitar strum at zero volume at the end of the interaction.That doesn't mean it's Dess. Let's say it's Dess for the sake of the argument though, that doesn't mean Dess is the Knight specifically.
I understand that sometimes one has to reply to a post so retarded out of spite in an impulseBut... no one here is a new frenSo i have to ask, why are all of you entertaining this drooling retard?Every time you do the threads devolve into semantics, are you all really THAT bored?
>>730037203Because that would be lame and overcomplicated. There are plenty of series where humans are just superhuman.
>>730036950>Titan isn't guarding anything.It's guarding the Entrance to the Underworld.
>>730038078i think its a bunch of discordfags replying to eachother
>>730035793>I'm glad they're not bundling chapters, that was a terrible idea This. It also made playing the game more tedious than it should have been.
>>730038078They cannot handle the alternative, which is WAITING
>>730038078you're a chara poster so you're not exactly contributing to the quality of anything
>>730037993>you have to keep citing something outside of the gameNo need. Songs are canon because the characters can hear the music itself, retard. >no u fell for firegrave, not me!Are you conceding to me?
>>730037882If Dess isn't the knight, explain how it wasn't a red herring.
>>730038078Autism. The same reason we have schizos that seethe over Undertale, Deltarune and it's plot points. Autism.
I bet you have talked more about deltarune than actually playing it
>>730038078>chara posteryou are worse, faggot
>>730037993>She overpowers The Knight and cracks their weapon.Knight was sandbagging. Kris can oneshot Susie>Based on what? It being an amorphous demonic shadow creature? That's not what happens to lightners in the dark world. The knight is very obvoously a darkner or some other kind of dark world entity. Probably created of Dess in some way, but not literally just her, alive and with her own soul and nobody else's.>These are two things that only LIghtners can do.No, those are things we know normal darkners can't do. But the knight is far from normal, literally covered in crystalized determination. It likely has Kris's soul.
>>730037868Also to add onto this>The tractor beam from the knights hand is blue like the lasers the titan shoots with its hand>The knight seemly being very amorphous compared to lightners>2 titans that look similar to it from when Ralsei talks about the roaringI don't fully think the knight is even a lighner at this point due to all this stuff
>>730037830>Wow, I didn't know that Susie walked around with an axe in her pocket.When Susie whips out her axe or when Kris whips out his sword, it doesn't transform from a hairbrush or pencil in real time.
>>730038204 >>730038397If to wait is to Deltarune, we sure are Deltaruning!I guess sane people are doing literally anything elseIt could still be a better time though
>>730038078Kill yourself
noelle is the knight carol is a blue herring who the FUCK is dess
>>730038078If you could go one fucking thread...even one HOUR without spamming pictures of the Undertale humans I might take this post seriously. But you can't, can you?
is there a good android app i can mobilefag on, my computer is broken and im really missing that 4chan x hidepost+ right now
>>730037429>Nobody cared before this with the "befriending your mom" statement or their other interactions in DTObviously, because Toby kept the thing classy, he was clearly fucking her before too, but it was smoother. With Deltarune, Toby went out of his way to make people despise both Toriel and Sans.
>>730038581Noelle knight would be very "jrpg" idk it wouldn't surprise me that much
>>730037993>The Knight is a Lightner.Tell me what Lightner can forcefully restrain Undyne while running at full speed to the Bunker (and opening the door at the same time), without get their skull caved in.
It's not impossible that there's more than one knight
>>730038485>literally covered in crystalized determination.Ehh it's more likely that the black shard/knights armor is determination fused with darkness>likely has Kris's soul.I still think it having dess' soul is more likely due to the fuck up Noelle sounds it makes, the horns, and the baseball bat shaped outline when it first draws it sword
Why is the knight trying to take Toriel? Haven't seen much exploration of this topic
>>730038745could also be a neat reference to how yukiko was the killer at one point in p4's development, since we know that toby is a fan of p4
>>730038728>Toby went out of his way to make people despise both Toriel and Sans.Indeed. "Soriel" is a plot device by Toby here, to make us think exactly what he wants us to think. "Suselle" is what he is directly forcing upon us, regardless of what we think of it or how it cucks Kris (a very beloved character).
>>730038745It would be jrpg in the sense in relies on absurd circumstances that make characters act in unrealistic ways or under some lazy plot device like mind control or dual subconscious personalities
>>730038845
heh and here i am giving a (you), bad anon! bad!>730038654>Do not post characters of the seriesYesterday was fun, we even reached the image limit!
>>730038561Honestly these threads are good to pass the time. It doesn't even feel that it has been six months. But yes, it's autism. The same autism that makes people seethe when they see certain characters. It all leads to autism.
>>730038757Asgore could, he's the strongest monster. I don't think he could fit into that costume though
>>730037073Only cuck give up on family and mother of your children. Even if there was a problem you try to work it out and try to fix things at least for the kids. Toriel should stop being retarded whore who only make breakfast to feed her kid once every 4 days and then drinks with some ugly midget
>>730038987>Why do people seethe when I avatarfag on 4chan?This is what tripfags look like in 2026
>>730038959>>Do not post characters of the seriesarguing like this doesnt work if we all know who you are and what you're doing btw
>>730037406Its literally Mrs Santa nad Mr Santa being split and Mrs Santa fucking an elf. This is some retarded NTR scenario
>>730039003>Asgore could, he's the strongest monster.Correct.
>>730038074>starting with Antlers and possible motive.You START there, and then you examine the other evidence and context which eliminates them as plausible suspects. Pointing to one thing in a vacuum without fully considering the whole picture is not a good argument. Noelle shares these same traits, but you didn't include her on your list because you understand that.>There is reason to believe Carol ISN'T the one of the phone, though.No, there isn't. Nobody else makes sense.>she shows up at the same time in both routes, despite being only called in one.Kris still calls her in the Weird Route, during the long black screen where they also rip us out off-screen.Kris's phone is still wiped after the Weird Route. There's no reason for that to happen if Kris didn't call her.>>mysterious hidden figure in the Dark World sharing a moment with Kris while a guitar plays>That doesn't mean it's DessWHO THE FUCK ELSE WOULD IT BE?EXPLAIN IT TO ME. WHO ELSE?You people are being DELIBERATELY FUCKING OBTUSE to avoid the obvious conclusion! IT'S DESS! It's just fucking Dess!>that doesn't mean Dess is the KnightWHY WOULD THE GIRL WHO'S BEEN MISSING FOR YEARS BE IN THE CHURCH DARK WORLD AFTER A FUCKING TITAN WAS SUMMONED AND BE WAITING AROUND THE CORNER TO TOUCH KRIS'S HAND AND DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ELSEJESUS CHRIST IT'S JUST FUCKING DESS
>>730038959Just report the schizo so jannies ban him like they did last thread. We all know he will evade but it's fun seeing his posts being deleted.
Kris is the Virgin Mary.
>>730039009>Only cuck give upHoly fuck, good morning SAAR.
>>730038823Non-boss monster souls can't exist even briefly outside of that monster's body, they can't really be transferred. The knight is either Dess's cryogenically preserved body or a darkner tied to that body, empowered by Kris's original soul, which is both conspicuously absent AND we know he had the ability to remove from himself.
>>730038078You are the retard who made like 300 Chara or Femkris posts in previous threads300 out of 500!!
>>730038987Free time can be such a double edge thing to have
>>730038757The Knight.
>>730039031You already said you don't care about avatarfagging.
>>730000000
>>730016808>Noelle is coded as white and is not a butch tomboy>therefore Toby selectively targets her with the most abuseWhat did he mean by this?
>>730039136Why do we need to find her then if she's right there?
Theory time>Knight is Dess combined with Kris soul>Kris called us up to replace his missing soul
>>730039342She's not lost in that way
>>730039446Anon that's just the current popular theory.
>>730038786>It's not impossible that there's more than one knightThere is literally zero evidence of this and The Knight has always been consistently treated as a single individual.>>730038845>Why is the knight trying to take Toriel?They aren't. Toriel was just bait for Undyne.
>>730039559>There is literally zero evidence of this and The Knight has always been consistently treated as a single individual.True, I just would find it funny if Toby ripped off Scream
>>730039446>>730039546Constantly repeating this dumb shit and refusing to listen when it gets pointed out to you that the SOUL is Kris's own soul doesn't make this theory "popular"
>>730036387It seems like both Deltarune and Twin Peaks have very high levels of "audience accessibility", I mean who doesn't love a mystery thriller right? But WHAT are, in Ralsei's own words, "The rules of this world"? Because all words have exist in their own metaphysical inception, words without any content or thought put into it beyond being eyecandy and cheap entertainment is going at it the wrong way. Yes it's fun to wonder who killed Laura Palmer, why is Dess missing, who is MIKE? What is Ralsei hiding, what does Dale Cooper know that we don't? These are fun, but at the end of the days all questions lead to the same place, so I better question is, what is the author trying to tell me with this creative work? And what I believe both Lynch and Toby Fox are trying to tell us is that you are not the author, nor the decisionmaker of your fate, but rather the paper on which it is written, and that, anon, is the true purpose of analyzing art, not dissecting the storyline questions, but the REAL questions, the BIG question, the other questions are just consequences of the BIG ONE.
>>730037849No i get that but with Sans in particular I just didn't like him. Even when he tries to help you he comes off as a condescending prick.
>>730039446the knight is dess after going darker than darkkris needs (you) because his soul is too weak to properly function in dark worlds after years of self loathing
>>730039637>YOU CAN'T SAY A THEORY IS POPULAR CAUSE I DON'T LIKE IT NOOOOO
>>730039672>fiction should have a LESSONkind of a cringe attitude ngli find undertale a lot less fun if its supposed to be a moral sermon
>>730039513She is though why the fuck else the music from https://deltarune.com/dess from the sweepstakes is called "findher.ogg"
>>730039778KrisKnightfags lost and I will mock their final cope and leave them restless until Toby Fox strikes them down
>>730039446>>730039546The actual twist to it is that, like Ralsei is not actually Asriel, but just the personification of Kris's memories and perception of him, the knight is not REALLY Dess, and Kris either already understands this and is trying to bring back the real girl, or is ultimately going to have to choose between admitting Dess is dead and destroying the dark world and everything in it, or allowing the barrier between reality and fiction collapse entirely so that his imaginary friends are "real".
>>730039249Indeed. It's been nice to talk about Deltarune daily, despite these knight arguments starting to become samey. I am still on the Dess + Kris's soul team.
>>730039912I said the theory is popular, not that its good, smart, or whatever else you're projecting into the post.Being unable to parse things logically/literally means you're a normalfag.
>CarolknightWho the fuck wants to fight some 50 year old karen as the bad guy? Also you can't draw bonds and parallels with her and a cast of teenagers.>RudyknightSounds boring also people have one joke with it that's making fanart of Asriel look gay>DessknightObjectively the coolest, most aesthetic, thematically interesting option, Kris' stupid friend who fucked up and got eaten alive by some demon cat/whatever comes back to haunt everyone as the aura farming primary antagonist and into some crazy plot, what's not to like about that?Nobody has ever raised an argument anyone would Dess, or some entity that represents Dess, would make for a good story. There's no reason to be against Dess knight other than contrarianism
>>730039637>when it gets pointed out to you that the SOUL is Kris's own soul The basic plot of the game is that this is not the case and that Kris is only putting up with your presence because he needs A soul to enter the dark world safely
>>730039446That's the based theory.
>>730039912Don't get cocky, anon. You can always be struck down like the KrisKnightfags you hate so much.
>>730040008>Dess + Kris's soul teamSame is a really hard theory to surpass for nowAnd it also makes a great reveal for the future...>You were expecting Carol to be the knight? it was me Kris!heh
>>730040095>The basic plot of the game is that this is not the caseNo, it's that we are controlling Kris's soul.Just like we controlled Frisk's soul in Undertale.
>>730039637We are a soul, currently in Kris. We are not Kris's original soul.
>>730039136>Noelle shares these same traits, but you didn't include her on your list because you understand that.You can look at this thread, I DEFINITELY mentioned Noelle having relevance at being the knight, along with the unused "You saw Undyne in a block of ice" text. Rudy and Carol are both relevant to the conversation, I didn't just start firing off every character that could possibly be the knight.>Nobody else makes sense.Incorrect. You're taking "i'll be right there" too literally. If we were to assume my way of>i'll be right there in the normal route>call isnt made in the weird routeThat means that no matter what, Carol comes home independent of the call. This means the person DIDN'T even make it before Carol arrived.>Kris still calls her in the Weird Route, during the long black screen where they also rip us out off-screen.>Kris's phone is still wiped after the Weird Route. There's no reason for that to happen if Kris didn't call her.Your assumption is that we THORNED Noelle, Kris stepped outside, then looked inside of Dess's room (didnt stop susie and went stealth 100 for some reason), then CALLED to interrupt something that he could've stopped himself, then walked to the bathroom, then let out his rage. That's retarded.What most likely happened is that Kris had to clear his phone REGARDLESS because us just calling Toriel would ruin whatever plan he had. >IT'S DESS! It's just fucking Dess!First, you're assuming that something playing at 0% isn't just straight up cut content. Second, ask yourself, is "Old Man" actually Gerson? Sure, he's modeled after him and his dust, but is he ACTUALLY Gerson? Third, Kris has a knife (his most personal possession) and we don't know what it turns into. The door is open.>BE WAITING AROUND THE CORNER TO TOUCH KRIS'S HAND AND DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ELSESame reason we get a "...you promised." at the end of the normal route. Kris is human and isn't some machine, personal relationships is what's driving him.
>>730040293>You can always be struck down like the KrisKnightfagsOnly if I'm wrong. Hasn't happened yet.
>>730039989>the knight is not REALLY Dess, and Kris either already understands this and is trying to bring back the real girl, or is ultimately going to have to choose between admitting Dess is dead>Admitting Dess is deadDidn't Toby say there were parallels with Omori?Because 'Dess dun got fucked in the Bunker and Kris is attempting to use the Vulkenkompft of the Darkworld to Obenwill her back into existence using nothing but a handful of powder and obsessive self-loathing' would fit with the most recent plot point we learned of Monster Dust being reanimated by the Dark World
>>730040301Yeah, the idea of Kris technically being split into two and his "real" self ordering him around with the "promise in our hearts" (his soul) is just a good narrative payoff plus it's also Dess Knight. It's two good theories into one.
>>730040060>There's no reason to be against Dess knight other than contrarianismI think maybe they just don't want to believe we've figured out the broad strokes of the mystery 4 chapters in, even though we obviously have
>>730039251>shadow crystal used in the lightworld shows the lightworld counterpart of whatever you're looking atEven if you're saying that the knight took undyne, then fatally snowgrave'd her at the speed of light, then took her lifeless body to the bunker, it wouldn't say she's frozen in ice. If the Knight is a Lightner, that is.
>>730040369
>>730040060The entire point of the Knight mystery in the game is that it's a Lightner. This turns every Light world interaction into a guessing game full of clues.If it's DESS then all of that makes no fucking sense. Why is there a person hiding in the closet at the back of the church? Why did Carol rush home? Do Dessknight fags have a satisfying answer to any of these kinds of questions? NO They'd rather the entire light world part of the game be a giant fucking red herring and waste of time
>Hey>You like Toriel, right? The female face of Undertale! Yep, Her! Bet you're enjoying those 20k+ entries on e621 too uh, big guy?>Well, she's actually a cantankerous whore with little to no care about her adopted bastard son nor foster child Barney, just a performative bitch who loves booze, parties and casual sex, you rike? No? Good!>Hey... hey, hey, hey...>Perhaps you happens to like Sans too? The male face of Undertale? Aye, that's him, that sport! Megalovania and such.>Well, he's actually a shady piece of shit homewrecker just hopping dimensions for some married pussy, a sick fuck looking for a quick fuck. You rike? No? Excellent!How does he keep doing it, /v/? We are about to suck this guy's cock clean in a few months like nothing happened, HOW does he fucking do it?
>>730040303You are Frisk because Frisk is just a player avatar. Unlike Krisk who is a separate person with his own, currently absent, soul.
>>730040580Every single time they take his photo he changes his ethnicity. Every. Fucking. Time.This nigger is from outer space.
>>730040580people who aren't retarded always knew toriel was a judgmental cunt
>you're assuming that something playing at 0% isn't just straight up cut content
>>730040060> There's no reason to be against Dess knight other than contrarianismThe only problem I have with it is that the knight has too many similarities with the titans/titan spawn for me to think that it's flat out dess or some other nonsense like her corpse high on determination stuffed with Kris' old soul while puppeted by FRIEND
People could tell Flowey was Asriel just from the Undertale beta.Now Deltarune is in Chapter 4, which is way more information than before. You should be able to tell:>What is Kris' goal>What is Carol's plan>Who is the Knight>What happened to Dess>Why is Everyman important>Why is FRIEND important>Why Gaster isn't important>What is(/are) the ending(s)
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>>730040834>People could tell Flowey was Asriel just from the Undertale beta.wat? asriel isn't even mentioned in the ruins
>>730040454>It's two good theories into one.No, it's two bad theories. It's "Kris is The Knight" (dumb and deboonked) and "The Knight is Dess but not really lol, so there's no actual emotional weight there, Kris is basically just jerking themself off"
>>730040580Toby will run out of good will if things keep going the way they are.He better just give us a schizophrenic secret boss in chapter 5 if he wants to keep the ball rolling for a few more years
>>730040930I disagree. Kris knight was (spiritually) correct and I don't think the knight being literally dess is a good thing.
>>730040926Asriel was mentioned in the filename of his bedroom
>>730040578>Why is there a person hiding in the closet at the back of the church?The Knight is hiding until we leave.>Why did Carol rush home?To stop Susie from finding the bunker code hidden in Dess's guitarNeither of these questions are dependent on the identity of The Knight lol
>>730032117>I'm not interesting
>>730040578Why are any of your questions a problem for dess knight? I'm just saying it's her, or some thing that represents her. The direct circumstances whether or not it's Dess alive and fully aware of her actions, or a zombie, or a reanimated darkner, or an amalgamation, or whatever, are yet to be revealed, because the game is incomplete.>Why is there a person hiding in the closet at the back of the church?The Knight is hiding in there, or someone is hiding in there. It's been plausible that the Knight can't walk around in broad daylight or something of the sorts so they hide inside the closet of the place they opened the fountain. Why is this a problem for Dessknight?>Why did Carol rush home?To stop Susie from getting the code and troubling Kris and Carol's plan, why is this a problem for Dess knight?You also didn't answer any of my questions why would you think any other candidate for knight is any better.
>>730040580Me? Love Sans, love he's getting some goat pussy. Go ahead Sans, fuck her good. Kris? Throws me at shit, hits me with a hockey stick, and robbed me of my vessel. Why the FUCK would I side with Kris here?
>>730041135>>730041161>unsatisfying answersyepyou probably think the soul is the player as well. filtered. legitimately. i feel sorry for you.
>>730041026>Kris knight was (spiritually) correct and I don't think the knight being literally dess is a good thing.Wrong on both counts.
>>730041163Because people still think they are Kris and thus think Sans is fucking your mom.
>>730041014mike doing a full 360 back into becoming a forshadowed plot point is really bizzare
>>730041216Thanks for proving my point Dessknight deniers are retarded contrarians.
>>730040876Thank you, it's hard to correct so many people who have not played the game on my own.
>>730041163>Why the FUCK would I side with Kris here?Because the poor little shit has a tough life and deserves better that a homelife wasteland.Fite me on that.
>>730041221Not an argument. Plus you seem to think Dess having Kris's SOUL means she isn't there despite both Chara and Asriel sharing control. Even if it's a dess darkner it would still share her memories and personality.
>>730041163Why would you side with or relate to the literal main character who you've been piloting for 50 hours?Are you fucking serious, nigga?
>>730041305No problem, anon. I always appreciate you being the main theorist here.
>>730040930It completely ties into the story though>Dess was in some sort of accident>Needs Kris' soul stay alive>Asgore either feels guilty or knows something is going on and thus has been chasing her for years now (Schizo corkboard, losing the spot as Police)>Whatever is going on with Kris that he'd betray fungang to help the Knight
>>730041216>unsatisfying answersWhat satisfaction were you expecting to derive from these basic questions that have clear answers in the story?How do you even imagine they would change whether Dess was The Knight or not?
>>730041314>Because the poor little shit has a tough life and deserves better that a homelife wasteland.Asriel has it way worse and wouldn't be such a shit towards the SOUL. Kris's anger should be focused towards Asgore for fucking up as bad as he did in DR, not Sans for making his mother genuinely happy.
Last night I dreamt that my gf and I found a ton of japanese translations of chapter 5 dialogue in the chapter 4 source code. After a whole dream of debating whether or not to translate it and read for ourselves or post it online, we opted not to read it since it would be better in context and we emailed toby about the oversight. Tell me /v/, did we choose wrong?
>>730040407My guess is this: as a kid, Kris ran away, and Dess went to bring him home, but either got badly hurt in an accident or got lost and froze. Carol had her body frozen in the bunker. Asgore's failure to save Dess or solve what happened to her led to Carol firing him, which in turn led to Asgore and Toriel's divorce. Through as of yet unexplored plot, Kris entered or was invited into the bunker, where he tore out his soul and implanted it in her, to try to revive her. This did not actually work, but enormously empowered a darkner based on that body, which we know as the knight. Kris's intention is to allow the roaring to start, eliminating the boundary between reality and fantasy, so that he can change the past, and make it so that Dess didn't come after him, and he died alone in the woods instead. Noelle has her sister, his parents stay together, and generally people would less mourn for the weird human orphan boy who wandered off and never came back.Of course, Susie would completely reject such an idea.
>>730041474>I HAVE A GF I HAVE A GF I HAVE A GUUURLFRIENDleast insecure normalfag
>>730041474>did we choose wrong?yes
>>730041365>Why would you side with or relate to the literal main character who you've been piloting for 50 hours?You will never be Kris. You are a fat retard that has another save file specifically for ruining Kris's life. Kris doesn't like you either and will bash you half to death with a hockey stick or throw you as hard as he can, even if you act with his best interests in mind. Stop being a cuck.
>>730041305still no hard mode. even after 10 years. ill never forgive toby for this
>>730041474>Last night I dreamt that my gfgentle reminder that my BWC and height means i could steal your "girlfriend" within minutes of texting her. if there's no ring, it's not "real" faggot.
Carol Knight is cooler than Dess Knight and I'm tired of pretending otherwise.
>>730016112>as long as a bra is involved, it is my fetish
>>730040578Knight is a conspiracy between two lightners and a darkner
>>730041281This sort of shit just isn't the same anymore after he showed he is willing to rugpull the player 10 times in a row
>>730041690This, but Rudy Knight.The biggest Carol Knight haters will hate her forever if she's the knight and not Dess.However, the biggest Rudy Knight haters will KNEEL when Rudy says>Kris...>I'm going to kick your ass.
>>730040876>>730041305>>730041424Frisk is not even a character, charatranny. That's why you can do whatever you want in undertale
>>730041216The SOUL could be its own character, but at that point the player might not be diagetic.
>>730041438>Kris gave up their SOUL to save Dess in The Incident years ago>they were able to do this because ???>they have somehow survived for years without either their own SOUL or us because ???>they didn't explain what happened so Asgore could keep his job because ???>they didn't tell Noelle's family that their daughter is still alive because ???>Kris came up with this elaborate bullshit conspiracy and is putting on a show for both sides because ?????It's a shit theory
>>730041474Yes. Cowards.
>>730041871>Frisk is not even a character
>>730041910>they were able to do this because ???Kris has already demonstrated the ability to remove a soul from his body. It's also a natudal extension of the prank he pulled on Noelle where he pretended to rip his heart out>>they have somehow survived for years without either their own SOUL or us because ???He doesn't need it to survive, only to enter the dark world as a lightner>they didn't tell Noelle's family that their daughter is still alive because ???Carol knows. It may have even been her idea.
>>730041910>Kris is able to rip his soul out of his body because ???>Sans appears in Deltarune because ???>The only explanation to something that hasn't been explained yet is that the entire theory is wrong because ???
>>730041910If the knight is actually a darkner with a lightners soul then the only option that isn't fully nonsense is probably it having dess' soul
>>730041910It's almost like half the game worth of explanations for all of your questions is still missing or something
>>730015973Before the thread dies, anyone has the image of Noelle dressed like Kevin Nash?
hopefully chapter 5 wont be TAKING TOO LONG
>>730042073Frisk is not a person. He has no definied preferences, goals, morals, inclinations, habits, or relationships. Everything about him, everything he does and is, is determined by you.
>>730042136He still probably has determination left to not die for a while from (you) other wise he would fucking be walking like a zombie for years before (you) came into the picture
>>730042073>>730042312i think deltarune has poisoned your brains. (you) are not a factor in undertale. if frisk genocides everyone, it's because he's a fucked up kid, not because (you) are forcing him to do something.
>>730042312umm Frisk doesn't like soda which makes them like a very opiniated and independant character
>>730022852What if he actually is dead, but the hospital doesn't know that because the main indicator of a monster being dead isn't happening (he's not turning to dust)
>>730041754Blue soul btw.
>>730042461the fuck are you saying? he's a zombie? or he's a secret human?
>>730041221A massive pushback against Krisknight was the refusal to believe he could be an antagonistic force. To the point that what seems to be the correct take, "Kris isn't the knight himself but is working for the knight" ended up being a minor theory. Vast majority were against the sprit of the idea of Kris being an antagonist that they kept coming up with alternate reasons for creating the chapter 3 fountain.
>>730025960Gote handsomWan do kiss him
>>730042358Him walking like he was dying was a trick. He wants you, the player, to think he's helpless without a soul, but we know he does shit off screen. The game explicitly points out Kris somehow knows what we're looking at.
>>730042073Don't reply to the schizo, dude. He will never listen.
>>730042136>Kris has already demonstrated the ability to remove a soul from his bodyOkay and the assumption is that's just a normal thing humans are supposed to be able to do?Eight-year-old Kris would just intuitively understand that this was an option?>He doesn't need it to surviveDoes "actually your SOUL is optional you don't need it at all lol" really sound right to you>Carol knows. It may have even been her idea.And she let her husband and daughter believe Dess was dead? And got Asgore fired? And Kris was okay with this?>>730042212>If the knight is actually a darkner with a lightners soulWhat if they're just a Lightner like the game has repeatedly made clear to usWhat if Dess just disappeared exactly like we were told she did and everyone genuinely believed and was traumatized by her disappearance, perhaps that may explain things better without all of this nonsense
>>730042608Frisk is a boring character that is 99% of the time not opiniated and lets the player completely take over their identityFrisk much like Chara are grossly underwritten and the least interesting parts of Undertale
>>730042398This. Everything Frisk is her choice, not someone forcing her like with Kris. We went from "why would Chara do this" to "why would player do this".
>>730042528it will be a blue pippin wearing a tutu and a flower mask
>>730042580sure maybe for a few hours or a day but I don't think he would be able to live for years without his culmination of his being if he's having some sort of fatigue after few hours without it after reinserting (you) in chapter 4
>>730042705>blah blah blah I hate Undertale and it's characters because I don't understand it blah blah blah
>>730017275>everything about the game hinges on a furfag romance ship being confirmedYeah this cringelord deviantart shit'll never reach the same highs as Undertale
>>730042790What is the purpose of posting anonymously if you're going to sign every single post you make so that everybody knows its you? Seriously it seems like discord or reddit would be more your speed.
>>730039798I get what you’re saying, so let me rephrase it more clearly, all stories make moral arguments, whether they admit it or not.In The Anatomy of Story, John Truby argues that stories are built around a moral argument. The protagonist has a moral weakness and a moral need, and the plot exists to test that claim through choice and consequence. Change (even failure to change) is the conclusion of that argument.So why don't you like "preachy" stories? Well, because nobody does, that's why we find a lot more value in stories like Undertale, and why even John Truby says subtlety is very important to make your story feel human to begin with. That’s why moral arguments work better in narrative than in sermons. People internalize values by watching a character's choices and values play out in in this tiny, thought-out cosmos.That’s exactly why Undertale works. The game uses gameplay to FORCE you to own your choices. Your violent, violent actions, have consequences, just as your merciful, kind choices have consequences, and das all shaped by the author’s moral framework. and Undertale is awesome cause it makes you live out the consequences instead of just watching them unfold before you.All art makes a claim about how the world works. The only real question is whether that claim feels earned. Undertale earns it, and THAT is WHY you like it, it's no fun to read or hear someone just sermon you on what kindness, or what determination is, because you know it already! It's merely an issue of reframing it in a way that gives you insight on what its implications mean.
>>730042803Bravo, tobert! Cinema!
>>730041474Was your GF also existing only in your dream?
>>730042628>Okay and the assumption is that's just a normal thing humans are supposed to be able to do?I have no idea. But we're talking about Kris specifically, who objectively can, as he demonstrates with (you)>Does "actually your SOUL is optional you don't need it at all lol" really sound right to youHe does need a soul, to enter the dark world as a person. If he tried to enter the dark world without a soul, or lost it while in the dark world, his body would count as an object, causing him to change into a darkner until the fountain was closed. This is the only reason he needs (you) and resents you for your other contributions.>And she let her husband and daughter believe Dess was dead? Well she's not exactly alive>And got Asgore fired? She still blames him. She could be justified in that belief>And Kris was okay with this?He might resent her and put up with her only for their common cause, we don't know
>>730042870I didn't say I hate them, I just find the two humans the least interesting parts of the game. I like the monster characters far more.
>>730042969Post lancer beating up the player in a 3D setting
>>730042608Blatant samefagging
>>730042907... but enough about yourself https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/729600212/#729647950https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/729600212/#729647449
>>730042902Careful. Saying that will trigger a schizo.
>>730042863He's faking the fatigue to fool you
>>730035696>twin peaks out of nowherelmaonext you are gonna say you like scp
>>730043489who the fuck are you
>>730043046I might have mistaken you for the schizo that hates Undertale and its humans. Might've
>>730043290Also wouldn't he need to give his soul to dess in the dark world in the first place then?
this thread btw
>>730043561why are you freaking out? loli'm just a concerned random
>>730044002then don't use a tripcode you idiet
>>730043763Either he did and then someone closed the fountain, or, more likely, he tried to put his soul in Dess's frozen body in the real world, with the knight being a failed byproduct at the botched resurrection
>>730044042That guy is a tripfag from another board. Idk what he is doing here.
>>730044126That wouldn't really explain why the knight has too many similarities to the titans/titan spawn
>>730044401>Idk what he is doing here.Lurking. Most likely.
>>730044423Maybe you're thinking about it backwards. We know almost nothing about what the titans are.
>>730042398>(you) are not a factor in undertale
>>730044423its still so unclear what a titan isI thought they were supposed to represent Adults walking in on Kris and Susie and ruining the dark worlds. "Turning on the lights" as it were. Now, I don't know what the fuck is going on.
>>730044789>"Turning on the lights" as it were.Monster Party?
>>730044707Doesn't Ralsei says they're fear given form or something along those lines plus the check dialog for the spawn says that they're a shard of fear
>>730043927And what if I told you I never believed in Kris Knight for a second but I'm 100% confident in Dess Knight?What would you do then?
>>730045032Well it's simple anon.He'd shit.He'd seethe.And then he'd call you a liar.And carry on as he did before.
>>730045032that image is fucking fire
>>730045032>And what if I told you I never believed in Kris Knightsure thing, anon
>>730028954>2025
>>730034383>Do you think Gaster would -I think the thing I hate most about Gaster theories is that people consume so much game theory bullshit about Gaster that they think they have a clear idea of who that character is, what he is like, and what he would do.You dipshits love Gaster because you can imprint anything you want on him. You have seen nothing that contradicts even the dumbest ideas about him, so you develop the dumbest ideas.
>>730045557based, real, and trueI am really looking forward to the meltdown when he neither appears nor is mentioned in any of the future chapters
>>730044765Flowey is referring to Chara here to be fair.
