Nintendo's heart just isn't in it anymore.
>>730022675this game was great though, you're just cynical anon, try playing it with a friend.
>>730023094>>730022730>Erm the just happenedI didn't know tendies were real, you faggots will gobble up any trash huh?This piece of shit game is the absolute worst in 2d side scrolling Mario games.
>>730022675This was and forever will be their last good game.
>>730022675Best 2D Mario game I've ever played. Yes, it's easy, but the art style and fluidity are worth it. I hope they keep this style for the next game
>>730022675This game would be easy for babies let alone adults.
>>730024532>>730024532>This game would be easy for babies let alone adults.
>used graphics from Wonder to demonstrate 120fps in the Switch 2 announcement>uses graphics from Wonder to calibrate HDR in the Switch 2 settings>haven't confirmed either feature for Switch 2 Edition yetI'm worried.
better than nsmb but then again the wii was fucking garbage
>>730026924>HDRuseless meme technology
>>730022675Wonder is the ultimate filter. It's very sovlful, if you think otherwise it's because you're an adult and have lost the ability to feel "wonder", ironically enough.>n-no I am still a baby, Nintendo has changed!keep seething and coping if you want, your body and mind are simply telling you to get a job and have children of your own instead of chasing after nostalgia. When playing the game with your kids you'll feel the wonder again.
>>730028228It's soulful but not perfect. Talking flowers pointing out what's going on is soulless.
It was fine. I got to breeze through a 2D Mario as Peach so I liked it.
>>730028073True. However I'm worried both things were just done as a proof of concept and Nintendo will false advertise like this for no reason whenever they feel like it.
I wonder if the people defending this game have tried replaying it, because it has no replay value at all.
>>730028424I'd believe that, once I 100%'d it I set it aside and never felt the need to return. That said, at least I did 100% it. More than I can say for Odyssey at least.
>>730026924Nigga emulating wonder on a laptop with intel integrated graphics from 6 years ago was posible, it will have 120fps mode easily
it was shit as soon as i felt the controls. I went straight back to Mario World romhacks and never looked back.
>>730028424It has issues and replay value is one of them, but for a single playthrough it's fine. It suffers from the levels kind of blending together because of the whole "one time wonder seed" gimmick, but it's a good time.
>>730028278Theyll say stuff but its never annoying. Ive pirated this game before release and didnt think much about the flowers. Found them cute
>>730028278I'd never really thought about the talking flower but now that you point it out, yeah it very much is "well THAT just happened" marvel energy. Somebody didn't have enough faith in the visual setup and needed to tell us how to think.
>>730028424>replaying games
>>730028073you’re either too poor to afford it (cheap as shit too lol), have a monitor with shit hdr, or too retarded to set it up properly.in the end you’re still a massive retarded faggot
>>730028562I muted their voices and it was still a bit annoying for me.>>730028582Generally speaking I think it's this idea that Mario Wonder is "forced", almost reactionary in its design: they copypasted the NSMB design for a decade, so NOW they're trying to differentiate themselves from it by going all in on "soul" and "wonder".I don't think it can be denied that this was an intentional design choice, and you can feel it sometimes, but I don't think it ruins the experience or anything. In fact I'd take 10 Mario Wonders over the 10 BOTWs Nintendo has been trying to shove down our throats recently.
I think the badge abilities were way better than regular powerups but they kinda got shafted. They should have designed more levels around them instead of making them optional.
>>730023229It's not worse than NSMB2 bro
>>730022675Yeah and you faggots still lap up everything they push out like the good little dogs you are.
>>730028772>I'd take 10 Mario Wonders over the 10 BOTWs Nintendo has been trying to shove down our throats recently.NTA but God yes. Fuck BotW, and I say this as a Zeldafag.
>>730028424>wonder if the people defending this game have tried replaying it,I've replayed it like three times now. It has tons of replayability especially if you're making use of abilities you rarely touched before.
>>730029062I like how you anti-tendies just fight amongst yourself now.
>>730029328I say this as someone who even loved TOTK and spent 140 hours on it... it's time to stop and change paradigms. Even TOTK shows BOTW slightly overstayed its welcome.Cancerous UI also needs to disappear but sadly it's here to stay for a while
>>730029049I like how NSMB2 has been collectively forgotten aside from specifically shitting on it.
>>730028703Take your meds, tranny.
>>730022675It would be a lot more memorable if it wasn’t so easy. Wonder Flowers trivialised the difficulty in most levels.
>>730030738That's... Not how wonder flowers function.
>>730022675I know what I'm about to say has reached meme status, but the 2D Mario games were never goodThe first one gets a pass for having decent controller in an era where everything plays like absolute ass, but the rest? There's better alternatives for each game, and nowadays any indie game plays better than Mario and costs one third of the price
>>730029748what a poor fucking comeback, you just keep proving you're a retarded faggot ack yourself already you dumbshit fucking faggot
>>730031285The problem is there's not a single indie game that comes close when it comes to level design, content, ability variety and challenge.Indie platformer are pretty rare all things considered
>>730022675It was a bit too easy, but otherwise it was fun. The last stage was at least a good challenge.I played the whole game as Luigi with the flutter jump
>>730024718No idea what the point is your trying to make.
>>730022675>Forced soul
>>730022675Worst OST in the 2D series.That's where the feeling of lack of soul comes from.
>>730022675Wonder is what convinced me that Nintendo fans are easy to fool. Literally just spruce up New Super Mario Bros 5 with a different artstyle and they still buy this generic crap.
i realized this when I saw all the videos of kids getting excited for a ps5 on christmas morning.
>>730035865What's the correlation?
>>730028228>if you think otherwise it's because you're an adult and have lost the ability to feel "wonder",not quite its not an adult thing, it's a "edgy tween that is now a manchild" problemall you would have to do is grow up proper
>>730028424So like all 2D marios?>B-but muh trannyrunning.Lol.
>>730028703>just spend even more money bro, it will be good then i pinky promisei heard the same from audiophile jews grifting people lmao
>>730030864NDSfags have admitted before to GPT generating their arguments btw.
>>730036278the social paradigm has shifted, zoomer children and teens now see sony as the absolute gaming machine.
>>730022675Hasn't that been obvious for years?
>>730022675Gen Alpha will call this the GOAT in 15 years
I had an absolute blast with this gem of a game.
>>730022675Nintendo doesn't really want to be a vidya company (even if they're basically the only big hardware company left that even releases their own games). They want to be a hecking wholesome multimedia family culture corporation. They still release games because they know they kind of "have to" in order to keep the baseline customers happy and have new source material for what they're actually interested. Which is merch and licenses. They focus more and more on peddling useless gadgets, toys, movies, gimmicks and of course constant rerelases of stuff they already released before in order to pretend they're still actively working on things. Their dev cycles have become hilariously long to hide the fact that they're not interested in regularly publishing new vidya products.
>>730022675Just say you didn’t like it because they got rid of Charles Martinet for a jeet
>>730035694>Literally just spruce up New Super Mario Bros 5 with a different artstyleThe most vocal complaint/One of the most vocal complaints about the NSMB games was about their presentation. This is what most people wanted addressed.
>>730037676Nintendo is Japanese Disney which is why their Amerishart autismo fanbase loves them and hates when they promote anime games
>>730033842anons point is that you're missing the point. Nintendo games have never been designed with 'for X audience', which is why they have fans. For you to think their games are ez baby games, it's clear that you grew into games by playing Sony cineslop and call of duty. Those games aren't hard, they aren't gratuitous, they aren't provoking, but they say the word "kill" enough times to be for adults.Try playing some mario with the idea of entertainment creation in your mind and you might start to figure out why people are excited about the AAA collapse. Social politics is a scapegoat for the clueless.
>>730028073Agreed. Ignore low IQ people sneeding that they fell for this artificial post processing.
>>730037448>Posts the best NSMB game as an example of Nintendo losing it>Full of soul>First four player Mario and it works>For Wii standards the graphics were actually really good>Great sound>Great controls>That fucking awesome propeller power up
>>730038257But their games havent always been baby games, your "point" is fucking retarded.
>>730038497>Great soundkek tendies really can't help themselves. literally a game infamous for random nonsense bah bah background noises. the propeller is also literally the most casualized item ever. completely defeats the point of a platformer.>but the game wasn't hard anywayyes, and it takes away any small modicum of challenge that might have been accidentally left in the game. the graphics comment is funny too. there's nothing visually impressive about nsmb. that shit looked ass on the ds and it still looks ass on the wii. smb3 was impressive for the time on the nes. not this.
>>730028073You're poor lol
>>730028525Why aren't niggers ashamed of themselves talking like this?
>>730038497We get it - NSMB was your first Mario game
>>730028515Got filtered, huh?
>>730022675>only beaten by super mario world as the best 2D mario, barely Yeah dude im sure. Kill yourself nigger.
>>730037448That game was great, NSMB, Wii, and in a way U are very good, tho NSMB for the DS is the best of them all, the multiplayer makes the other two fun as fuck, I was surprised Mario Wonder multiplayer lacked player interaction, it's like playing alone what the fuck were they thinking.
>>730038497>Posts the best NSMB game as an example of Nintendo losing it"Best" NSMB game isn't saying much>Full of soul, Great Sound, Great controlsI'm grouping these together because my response is the same for each. NSMB is perhaps best known for having no soul - it's the sort of generic slop that spawned the "Mario Mandate" meme years ago, and for good reason. They started as cheap games on the DS and had their assets reused so many times that they began to make Mario feel like a budget series despite being the literal Nintendo flagship. There is no soul to be found in any of these games. No good sound. No good controls. Everything feels as safe, sterile, and uninteresting as possible, and as the other anon said, the sound in particular is bad since it gave us the "BAH BAH" shit>First four player Mario and it worksIt works to the overall detriment to the game since you're basically required to play it 4 player. It was designed as a 4 player game and it "works" best as a 4 player game, but then the game feels too big and empty when you're playing it single player since it was literally designed for 4 people.>That fucking awesome propeller power upIt's okay? Most Mario games tend to have at least one fun powerup. It's nothing to brag about or call specific attention to NSMB as an example of something that it did well.
>>730043039>hating on NSMB for the DSConsole warring kids do not count, the game is fantastic.
>>730022675It's literally just NSMB but with playable princesses. They really need to shake the formula up for the next 2D game.
>>730043160NSMB on DS was only ever an okay game that has been retroactively made worse over time due to it having spawned the NSMB series, which are the objectively worst titles in the mainline Mario series. I would have had more respect for NSMB DS had it only ever been a one-shot, singular game, but these days I can't help but also hold it responsible for all the "New" shit that came after it.
>>730023229You will never have a real personality
>>730022675This was the most soulful mario release we've seen in ages.
>>730043364That makes no sense and I can't take you seriously after you mentioned the "mandate" crap, worse when you blame NSMB the one Mario game with the most peculiar and varied bosses and enemies in any Mario game.
>>730023229Calm down.
>>730043675I don't know how much more simple I can make it for you, anon. In a vacuum, NSMB is a mediocre, "okay" game. But in the current, real world, I look back less favorably on it these days because it spawned the "New" series and all of the other terrible games that came about after it. >I can't take you seriously after you mentioned the "mandate" crap,You think Disney doesn't have a Mickey Mouse mandate? You think Marvel doesn't control Spider-Man? Why would Nintendo be any different with Mario? Of course they mandate certain things about Mario's appearance and his games. It's probably been around for years, but the point here is that the NSMB were such boring, safe experiences that it brought that idea into the public consciousness. Whether the mandate is real or not almost doesn't even matter - the point is that era of Mario games made people think that it was real.
>>730022675what are the chances the game gets new free content when the switch 2 update drops?
>>730022675Do I have to say this fifteen thousand times? Video game developers are running out of ideas, and it is partially due to indie developers pushing out all the new ideas at a rapid pace. Mario Galaxy used so many ideas in the Mario universe that the opportunities to make something genuinely new and interesting gets smaller with each new iteration. It's why every grandfather franchise is suffering. It is not limited to Nintendo.I thought the "New" Super Mario Bros. games were complete trash. Everything that was interesting about 2D Mario was already done to perfection in Super Mario Bros. 3. Even Super Mario World was a step backward in so many ways.Just stop. Stop expecting 2D Mario, or even 3D Mario to completely wow you and floor you like Super Mario 64 did when you were 6 years old.They are now necessary slop for children. A title put on shelves to make children buy it. It is there purely as a formality.
>>730044074It's the fact that you try to use it as an argument, come up with your own instead of parroting that
>>730038497That's the DS game retard, not the Wii slop
>>730044345What do you mean "free content"? You're paying for a Switch 2 edition.
>>730045641I have already fully explained my point about the Mandate. Take it or leave it, but I'm not simply "parroting" anything. And even the mandate part is only a part of my argument.
>>730045816I'm so glad my friends at Nintendo are able to charge money for performance patches. Can you believe that other gaming companies give it away for free?
>>730045816All of those Switch 2 content updates gave been disappointing, doubt this one will change that
>>730037323>children and teens now see sony as the absolute gaming machine.Has been the case since PS1/PS2 days. Nintendo as a home console company was running on fumes since N64.
>>730022675For me, this was the last new mario game
>>730048384That's why Switch is a home console and a portable. That's why Switch outsold the PS2 with 10 games average per console owner. Cope and seethe as much as you want. It won't change that fact
>>730022675Kinda agree desu and that's coming from a former Nintendo fan
>>730048384>>730048994Nintendo is now seen as a dedicated "Nintendo games" machine. People will buy a PC/Playstation/Xbox to be their primary gaming platform, and then they'll pick up a secondary Nintendo console just to play Nintendo games. That's how it has been since the N64 and it's Nintendo's own doing ever since they stopped trying to compete on a hardware tech spec level with Sony and Microsoft. As a result, the Nintendo ports of multiplatform games are always objectively the worst, so anyone who can afford another console will just play multiplatform games on the other platform and leave the Nintendo games for the Nintendo console. There's a reason Nintendo doesn't port their games to other platforms; they know that if they were to ever start doing that their hardware business would be finished.
>>730049501>That's how it has been since the N64Meant to say Gamecube. Gamecube was the last console that was able to compete on a hardware level with its Xbox/Playstation contemporaries. Ever since the Wii, Nintendo has been going in a different direction.
>>730038257you missed the point>>730038725you are an illiterate dummy
>>730028073Spotted the poorfag!
>>730049501>>730049629Yeah, and I told you Nintendo plays the long game. They gave up hardware specs for gimmicks in order to compete in a different way, because their first party titles never demanded astounding specs. Now their Switch 2 is starting to look more like a top of the line spec'd machine. It can play handheld as well as portable.PS5 has no games
Also, lots of you stupid fuckers shill against Metroid Prime 4 because you know it's better than the typical CoD dogshit that comes out every year. Lmfao. It's all too easy to spot.
>>730037796>Just say you didn’t like it because they got rid of Charles Martinet for a jeetI'll say that. Revolting, cynical behavior on N's part. I still haven't touched the game and never will.
>>730049958>shill againstRead these two words back to yourself very carefully.
>>730043732No fuck off and die.
>>730022675Has anyone else taken LSD and played this ? I feel like this was literally meant to be played on LSD. Like all the wonder effects are meant to be experienced on it and it's amazing, and the sound design is subtle and pleasing on LSD. Playing it sober would be lesser but it's still a good platformer.This is one of those "If you haven't played it on acid, you haven't played it"
>>730038972You're greedy lol>>730049805Spotted the paypyg!
>>730049863I'm not the other anon. That's why I quoted him too. The Gamecube flopped, but I feel like Nintendo threw in the towel too early on competing directly with Sony/Microsoft. It has worked out well for them so far, but it's not a coincidence that they're branching out now into other areas like theme parks and movies. Without being able to fully compete on an even playing field with Sony/Microsoft (think big AAA games like GTA5/6), they're limiting themselves to people who only want to play first party Nintendo titles, and while that's still a lot of people, there is still a significant portion of the market that they are isolating themselves from because the new GTA isn't going to run well on Nintendo hardware. It also prevents them from porting their games to other platforms for the reasons I said in my earlier post. Sony has found success bringing their games to PC, but people still buy Playstations since the hardware can still run all current gen games. Nintendo doesn't have that luxury because without Mario and Zelda exclusivity, no one would buy a Switch just to play the worst version of every multiplatform game.
>>730037323They most certainly do not.
>>730050359>but I feel like Nintendo threw in the towel too early on competing directly with Sony/Microsoft.I'd say it's more the other way around. If you look at their output over the years Nintendo stayed the course sticking to their guns while Sony and MS constantly changed what they offered because they couldn't compete. Even during Nintendo's worst years their first party software sales couldn't match and the gap has only increased over the years.It also doesn't help that nowadays third party developers don't want to support Sony and MS exclusively and many of their games also go to Nintendo systems. Leaving very little of worth on their systems, even you can only name GTA and let's be honest that alone won't be able to carry them, especially without the benefit of whales buying copies for GTAO.
>>730031554You really think something like Super Mario World has better level design, more content and challenge than something like Super Meat Boy, Celeste, N++, Dustforce, etc.?You fanboys are absolutely delusional.
>>730051550>Super Meat Boy, Celeste, N++, Dustforce, etc.do you really like that indie slopware or is this ragebait?
I had fun. Looking forward to the expansion for the switch 2.
>>730051078>It also doesn't help that nowadays third party developers don't want to support Sony and MS exclusively and many of their games also go to Nintendo systems. Leaving very little of worth on their systems, The only third party developers bringing their titles to Nintendo are indie games because, again going back to my earlier point, Nintendo's hardware limitations mean that most AAA third party games literally can't run on Nintendo hardware or if they do, you're getting the objectively worst version of that game.>even you can only name GTA and let's be honest that alone won't be able to carry them, especially without the benefit of whales buying copies for GTAO.It's not just GTA. They make lists for these sorts of things, anon, and while it's more than GTA, let's not pretend that GTAV isn't the second best selling game of all time. That's a hell of a missed opportunity. And you can go down the list of best selling games, and while Nintendo did get Minecraft (again, low tech spec game that can run on anything these days), it missed out or got the worst version of several others on the list - Red Dead 2, PUBG, Witcher 3, Overwatch. Big, AAA games are not coming to Switch, and it has nothing to do with developer "intentions" or "preferences" or anything like that. It's simple tech specs and hard numbers, and Nintendo consoles just can't run these games because Nintendo stopped trying to compete on the tech.
>>730022730>>730023282>>730023398I don't get it. How can you not only be okay with this but LIKE it, but call of duty and assassins creed are the worst things in gaming?
>>730022675Then why were none of the NSMB games that interesting?
>>730037984>snoy thinks he's in any position to shit talklollmao
>>730028890Would have been better if they were added to your moves after beating a world like. You beat woeld one you can now wall jump, or maybe they could have been given to the other characters to make them more unique. Having to artistically dig through them and figure out which one to use was annoying and tedious.
>>730028424>replay valueOnly autists care about this, normal people play a game and then move on with their lives.
>>730052159>The only third party developers bringing their titles to Nintendo are indie gamesThat and just about every major third party developer. They'd be insane not to with how popular both the switch and switch 2 are that's why you're seeing more and more third party games.It just goes to show that hardware limitations aren't much of a thing nowadays given how the pursuit of power has plateaued.>It's not just GTAIt's pretty much just that as far as "relevant" games go, I mean you have elden ring, resi 9, pragmata, FF7R, Duskbloods, these aren't games by small time indie developers.>let's not pretend that GTAV isn't the second best selling game of all time. Yeah, due to whales.You are aware that GTA V only sold as much as it did because they gave away shark cards worth more than the game itself right?Avid GTAO players are sitting on multiple copies of the game because of that.>Big, AAA games are not coming to SwitchThat's the thing, you'd be hard pressed to find anything relevant that isn't. Not that anyone wants to play those games judging by their low software sales but the point is that they're you going to switch/2 and hardware is no longer an issue and that was the only thing Sony and MS really had since they didn't invest in their IPs. They quite literally cannot compete anymore. You really should get out of your bubble.
>>730051550Yes? SMB and Celeste in particular have abysmal level design and only get praise because they're "challenging" when it's just basic pattern recognition.
>>730022730Play Wonder, and then play SMB3 or SMW. That's the difference between forced sovl and sovl.
>>730054096Imagine trying to say smb3 she world are forced soul.
>>730050301>You're greedyYes! And you're poor.
>>730053846>That and just about every major third party developer. They'd be insane not to with how popular both the switch and switch 2Again, it isn't even about whether it would be a smart business decision - the hardware just can't support it. Severe compromises have to be made to port over anything bigger than a small indie game over to the Switch and everyone knows it. Everyone knows that the Switch version of any major release is going to be the worst version with the worst performance, worst graphics, and possibly even cut content. I don't even know why you're trying to argue this when it's just basic reality and has been for multiple console generations at this point. You bring up Elden Ring and others... who the fuck is playing Elden Ring on Switch unless you have absolutely no other options? Honestly, I didn't even know Elden Ring was on Switch, so you've given me something to do for the next hour because I'm going to watch a few youtube videos on how horrible the Switch version is. That should be good for a few laughs, but I can already see from a 10 second search that it doesn't look good. You're arguing against reality, anon.
>>730050667 Snoys haven’t recovered since 2017 lmao. Switch wiped the floor with both PS4 and PS5, and they still seethe daily. Nintendo figured out they don’t need to chase cinematic walking sims to dominate-their first-party lineup alone destroys anything Sony’s got. Keep crying about “power” while Nintendo cashes in on fun.Now go back to your third remaster of TLOU and let the adults enjoy actual games.
>>730054096The game has some soul poured into it but the game tried too hard to reinvent Mario that it feels like a weird fangame.
The way /v/ treats Wonder is just another in a long line of instances where the board just totally loses the plot. That much is evidenced in how vague and confusing a lot of the critcism of this game ended up becoming. I'm not even saying this as a massive fan of 2D Mario, either, but the game is well put together and manages to provide a pretty strong sense of variety with its gimmick, even if at least 1/3 of the time it's purely aesthetic and doesn't really affect how the game is played.
>>730048994>That's why Switch is a home console and a portable.Yes, because the Wii U was the last nail that forced Nintendo to consolidate their output.
