>PvP players get matched with other PvP players>This enrages the PvP playerBut why? They get to play with other like-minded folk. Why would they seethe at behavior-based matchmaking?
>>730031251they want to gib on n00bs, thats why
I want to relax after a days work, if I'm matchmaking with murderbrains it'll just turn into valorant
>>730031251They're not gentlemen looking for battle. They just want to fuck somebody's afternoon.
>>730031251>But why?
>>730031251Complain? Feeling emotion is why they play it. They don't want to go through the game just collecting items, because well otherwise that's how they would play...
>>730031251>Aggression based matchmakingOkay now go full hog and do PvE mode. >Hurr durr deal with itNah, the Balance between PvE and PvP fags is too fucked. If you want to kill anything above the basic drones, you need a TON of expensive inventory. You need high tier high pen weapons, maybe the grenade launcher, you need wolfpacks and the big mines you don't need but you probably want a decent support pack, it's a fucking nightmare. If you want to PvP, you can easily do so with a freekit. Or just upgrade a basic ferro a few times. Congratz, if you loot a single person you made 10x your loadout. Imagine if you were playing WoW, you got all your raid gear together, tons of best in slot items, and on your way to the next dungeon a level 1 with grey items is lurking in the bushes, jumps you, and because he got the jump on you manages to kill you and take all your fucking high tier gear, while he risked NOTHING.
>meanwhile PvE players play on easy mode but get the same loot and exp as you
>>730033007>choosing ferro over kettle or stitcherPeak retard.
>>730031995Why do you play like a murderbrain if you just want to relax after work?
"PvP" fags are not in it for the PvP. If they were, they'd play shooters with actual versus modes.They are PKers. They want to prey on passive players for easy kills.
>>730031251You've never been good at fps games and wanted to rub it in somebody else's face anon? It's the best feeling
>>730033464That's form of PVP thoughbeit.
>>730031251Fucking with pve pussies is half the fun.
>>730033195>You can't have bothBut for real, Ferro can two shot a fag if you're decent. You take it to engage at range. If you're semi close you can start the fight with it to blast the shield off, switch to a better close combat weapon and spray a fucker down.
>>730033509you can do that with other pvp players too
>>730033007I prefer that over getting roflstomped by unkillable players. Third-partying and ratting are what keeps these high rollers in check. Don’t bring anything you can’t afford to lose.
>>730031251Farming noobs is the main appeal of these games.
Why don't you either remove your retarded fake progression system and tiers instead or make them actually useful in both PvE and PvP instead so I have any sort of incentive to play this shit?I can't believe there are still 300k+ people playing Grey Weapon Empty Inventory Raiders.
>>730033068Why does it matter if they don't interact with other players?
>>730031251shitting on pvpfags is always based
>>730033614Not if you're complete shitter at the game, you're just gonna get curbstompted.
>>730034190You can't opt out of PvP.
>pvpers mad they can't farm non-hostile players
>>730033513They do not wish the opponents to participate in the said PVP, that's why pvp players in tarkov seethe at pve mode.
>>730034749Herbivores still get farmed occasionally. It's less PvP, not none.
>>730033691I agree, getting stomped is another problem. But the fact remains: it's fundamentally a problem that that they tried to flesh out the PvE mode, and balanced it in a way that you need high tier gear to do PvE effectively, but you need fucking nothing to do PvP. You can absolutely take out other players with a freekit. Your biggest challenge are gonna be the occasional players who actually equip a heavy shield instead of being greedy and going for convenience supports. But man, I don't think you would be able to take a queen out with... hmmm even 24 freekit players? Probably not even with 30 freekit players. And as a PvEfag, once you realize this, once you understand that to do YOUR thing you need to put in a high amount of playtime and effort and in-game expense, and the people hunting you down need to invest next to nothing? It gets demoralizing. It's a real "Sounds like you're just feeding shelter cats to coyotes" moment.
>Get a reputation for being a shitter.>Get stuck with the other shitters.Are PVPers actually upset about this?
>>730031995Play something else then fag.
>folk
>>730033513Yeah and those who aren't into it elect to have fun instead of just being farmed so someone else gets to have fun at their expense. And this being possible makes the "pvp" PKers infinitely seethe.
>>730035132Well yeah but openworld Wow PVP was still PVP and so is this. That's actually what I think when someone uses the term PVP, backstabbing people in Wow. For fair fight it's just called competitive.
>Zoomshits are old enough for pvp in games.>PvP everywhere goes to complete shit where "smurfing", preying on PvE tards and griefing is the main goal.>PvP'ers literally just ignore each other if possible. Why are zoomers such backstabbing, honorless dogs?
>>730031251clickbait title with no source by the way
sure is samefag itt
>>730035396In my experience, it's none. I haven't fired a shot at another player and no one has shot at me.
>>730031251>claim your game separates pvpers and pveers>all I ever hear from people is complaining about pvpers in pve lobbiesnice ruse
>>730036118WoW PvP is terrible and I genuinely feel bad for anyone whose first PvP experience came from that game.
>>730036156https://youtu.be/vY3u7wOmm4w?si=3cz_pILvFpTzQqfVthey're talking about it at 10:40 mark
>>730033367It's how I relax
>>730036481I agree but that doesn't change the terminology being used here.
>>730031251Same reason why people shit on skill based matchmaking.They don't want to play against good players, they just want to feel like a good player
>>730031251pvp (((fans))) just prey on low level casuals to get their multiplayer domination fix but will refuse to play in servers exclusively dedicated to pvp enjoyers like myself because they will get butt broken
After about 10 hours of being the first to loot the "high value" spots and getting Fucking NOTHING I decided to squad up to try some PvP. Instantly rinsed by a sweat squad. Back to looting fucking NOTHING. Really I'm addicted to this game but 90% of the shit you find in hot spots can be found in whatever containers in a shitty little corner of the map. I have so much bullshit I don't need my stash is constantly full but I cant get rid of them cause I know I'll need Electronic Junk #3552 for an upgrade at some point . Loot needs to be rebalanced so anyone doing PvE can actually get good shit
>>730033464Correct. Other pvp modes in games are lame and boring. Trying to PK is fun and exciting.
>>730036735Get farmed, pve scrub.
>>730036592Why can't you relax with like-minded players, then?
>>730031251Didn't they confirm this like a month ago? Are people so retarded that this is going to get confirmed every 2 weeks forever?
I hate that tinnitus "ear ringing" sound effect that plays everytime something explodes near you.
>>730037130Enjoy your free kit NIGGER
>>730037859Your delicious tears are enough of a reward. :)
>>730031251PvPers want to shit on little billy and not get matched with players of similar skill as themselves.
Casual retardation. The whole point of being on a PVP enabled server is the danger and opportunity.
>>730036118Never argued it wasn't pvp, merely stated that the angry people would prefer if their opponents weren't versed, or didn't participate in the pvp at all, hence the angry virgins kwetching about people playing PvE
Only reason to ever cry about PVP in a full loot PVP game is when you get ganked by 5 brazilians .
>>730031251Because it puts them up with people who are closer to being better than them. The goal was always to style on dad gamers and kids that don't know shit. It's why people get made with CoD MMR. They're not actually competitive people, they just like winning and that's it. It's the difference between pro players that want to win and earn it, and sweats that just want easy games.
>>730031251People that pvp dont want pvp they think pvp is for "sweats", they want to farm gank footage for a montage to look fukken 1337.
>NU-UUH if you shoot me you are the devil incarnate but it's okay when I do it.
This but with injections of random matchmaking is the way to go
>>730031251Because playing agaisnt sweaty tryhards isn't fun. It's the same with Escape From Tarkov, the poop sockers on that game hate PVE since it takes away a lot of the normal players they could shit on and now they're forced to play against people like themselves, and it's not fun to play against those people
>>730033007>If you want to kill anything above the basic drones, you need a TON of expensive inventory. You need high tier high pen weapons, maybe the grenade launcher, you need wolfpacks and the big mines you don't need but you probably want a decent support pack, it's a fucking nightmare.A bunch of impact grenades and a Ferro with 1 stack of heavy ammo will easily kill anything that isn't a Queen or a Matricarch.
>>730036730>>730036717>>730038049These guys get it.
I wish Splatoon had a random matchmaking random gamemode solo-q only no friend-joins lobby.I really do.
>enragesDoes it? All I ever read is PvE players complaining about PvP players complaining. I don't care personally, as long as it's not cheaters.
>>730031251They want to bully, not be bullied.
>>730036352Is the game fun that way? serious question, I haven't played a pvpve game (or whatever the genre goes by nowadays) in a while, but I thought the point was the pvp and looting eachother
>>730034335Well then don't fuck around if you don't wanna get fucked around.
>>730040631It's textbook little brother syndrome:>When one person feels they have a rivalry with another far superior person. The superior person usually doesn't know about it or feel that the little brother is any kind of a threat. The little brother usually puts forth maximum effort in meaningless situations in order to get the feeling of a win over his rival.You can see it ITT. People gloating that pvp players lost bigly, meanwhile none of the pvp players complain because they just wanna pvp and they get pvp with this, and they don't even think about the pve players.
>>730040819nta but: kinda? I played about 60 hours of it before I uninstalled. For me, I had some fun doing some PvE, gathering some loot, but in the end I was too annoyed. Too often was I going in with PvE oriented loadouts, because I needed to kill bigger enemies, only to get ambushed mid fight or mid looting by some fag hoping to get my shit and the shit I just killed for free. And often they did.
>>730041029Yeah, I see it everywhere, I get some PvE Tarkov videos on YT and all I see is them talking about PvP players and how they are missing out. Or someone getting trolled >THIS IS WHY EVERYONE PLAYS PVE NOW GRRRRRMeanwhile my loading times are faster than they were a few years ago back when I played.I just wanna shoot shit, I don't really care if someone PvEs or whatever, I'm having my fun headshotting a real person.
>>730031251This is funny as fuck, PvP tryhards being forced into lobbies full of other PvP tryhards is hilarious. Why would you ever play extractionslop though?
>>730041395>This is funny as fuck, PvP tryhards being forced into lobbies full of other PvP tryhards is hilarious.It is funny, so funny in fact that this is how literally every other pvp game works and none of the people playing pvp mind
>>730040819>I thought the point was the pvp and looting eachotherWhy would you think that? That sounds incredibly boring and CoD tier.Point if ARC was always to team up against the AI to loot and build yourself. Problem is the devs lost themselves along the way and cop'd out by adding pvp. If they actually continued with building the world and adding more variety the game would have been even better. Regardless me and my friends are enjoying the PvE way more in this game. It's clearly designed that way first and pvp second. You can see that with how unbalanced and broken pvp is
>>730031251>be PvP fag>set preference to PvE just to prey on the PvE herbivores
>>730041878it does seem weird to still have FF on at the PvE preference level
>>730031251PvE fags on their way to kill a thriving game because they hyperventilate when seeing another player on screen.
>>730031251pvpfags only play pvp games to pwn n00bs it was never about skillz only curbstompz
Most of you don’t even play this game. Stop trauma dumping. Nobody cares that you got ganked in some random MMO twenty years ago.
>>730042069You can 100% tell these guys are projecting their feelings from some Roblox Rust rip off and not this game.
>>730036131>muh generationNigger this shit is ancient. Ever heard about bullying?
>>73003125180% of people don't play PVP games for the challenge. They play to stomp newbies and faggots instead and if they are forced to fight other sweaty tryhards then they throw a shitfit like the little faggots they are. The other 20% geniuinely want to fight people on their own level because they know it is a much better feeling to stomp someone almost as good as you are while rocking half a mongrel.
>>730031251Because they want to fuck with PvEgods
>>730042651Could be all that schizo headcanon, or it could just be people enjoy pvping in a pvpve game? Just go play that duck tarkov game, loser.
>REEEEEE LET ME PLAY WITH YOU REEEEEE>I JUST WANNA KILL YOU, FUCKING LET ME REEEEEEEEEE>NOOOOOO, DONT PUT IN PVE MODE BECAUSE NOBODY ACTUALLY LIKES PVP BUT ME WAAAAAAAHHHH
>>730031251I feel like they will game it now>fail 5 games in a row bring no loadout dont shoot anyone>placed into pve queue>bring kit, murder everyone
>>730043038This
>>730031251they only like pvp when its in their favorthey bitched about the changes to wow and souls pvp too.
>>730036935Lightest knockout game enjoyer
I've come to realize that the mentality of a lot of PKer's is actually just bandit mentality and they probably should be purged from the gene pool.
>>730041029Seething negroid pretending the last thread wasn't jam packed with seething animals, I'll continue to not play the game because it's trash on a whole, but watching little faggots whine that they can't spend all day clubbing baby seals will always bring a smile to my face
>>730043538>last thread>continue to not play the game >camps thread about games he doesn't play>calls others seething negroidslmao, seethe lil bro
>>730031251>red men are only matched with other red men>they get madkinda based actually
>>730043538the last thread was the exact same shit as this thread, just pve little brothers going>owned yet, pvp big bro? owned yet, pvp big bro? This is payback for raping me and taking all my loot!
>>730033007>I DON'T WANT TO PLAY GAME WITH PEOPLE LIKE METhat's the problem, nobody want, not just you.
My fondest memories of gaming are playing my rogue in world of warcraft and killing noobies in lakeshire.
>>730031251This isn't a pop game it's a griefer game
>>730045070>exposing yourself as a grieferYou realize they're using mirror logic here to make lobbies. If you're surrounded by gays, you are gay.
>I'm a pvper>I want to pvp>this change lets me pvp moreWhy are pve babbies seething and gloating, literally nobody minds this lmaosorry for taking your lunch money i guess
>>730031251Normally I'd side against PvPtards crying about SBMM but in this case the PvEfags are more retarded>Hmm a hardcore FFA game with inventory loss on death and grinding that forces both PvE and PvP encounters? I'll buy it for the PvE element>AIEEEE WHY AM I BEING KILLED BY OTHER PLAYERS I THOUGHT THIS WAS LIKE TRANSDIVERS, SEPARATE MATCHMAKING NOWWhat the fuck did they expect?
>>730045512There's people who download wow single player servers to play alone. Don't underestimate grind-addict autism
>>730045512No one's complaining about anything. In practice PvE players still get PvP, but the PvPers in the 'PvE lobby' have to really suck since they got confused as 'non-aggressive'. So it's not noticeable in the PvE case.
>>730031251Unironically based
The reality of the segregation is that it forces extremes instead of a balance of players. Either you're in a lobby of entirely passive players that stop even bothering to communicate or play cautiously because they know no one will fight back, or you're in a lobby where everyone is ratting and hunting down every gunshot to third party while abusing 3rd person perspective to alway get the jump on you with no counterplay. You can't be a friendly player that plays cautiously to be wary of hostile players, you don't get the tension of wondering whether someone has good or bad intentions, you turn your brain off and get rewarded by looting 5x more efficiently without other players in your way. And in the odd, 1/50 game where someone actually does shoot you? If you shoot back, you get thrown right into the den of wolves with not a single friendly player around, and you can't even check your corners or clear your path because rats are hiding out of view watching with their god cameras. The second you decide to loot or turn your back to their position, they get the first headshot on you and the fight is over if you can't immediately get behind cover. The game is not engaging in the way it should be.
Just admit this is another case of people's irrational fear of how the red man is bad
Why not just let people play on pve servers? It worked for WoW
It didn't work for GTA OnlineWhy would it work hereAlso extraction shooters are such a cancerous trend rn. It reeks of corpo ideals. >Hurr what if we combine single player and MP modes into one size fits all shit mode that's less dev time and less money to spend for us!
this just in, PKing is a form of griefing and most players are not looking to be griefedhappy new year 2007 everyone
>>730031251Why not add a pve queue instead?
>dude, I'm friendly!
>>730048120>I dont like losing, therefore I should never compete at allUnironic gigantic loser mindset
>>730041870>Problem is the devs lost themselves along the way and cop'd out by adding pvp.Why talk about shit you don't have a clue about? They were literally forced to scrap their PvE monster hunter-esque game to turn it into ARC with PvP and PvE as a side focus. Nothing to do with the developers "copping out."
>>730046663It's aggression based. Someone who's into pvp but keeps on dying will be classified as non aggressive, putting them into room of non-aggressive people. And when they get kills, they'll be bumped up to the point where get killed again. This doesn't stop PvP from happening. It just bounces people who suck back and forth.
>>730048120>enter pvp game>if you get killed, I got PKd and it's griefing>If you win it was a fair fight
>>730048281Because 'PvE' doesn't actually exist. It's just a grouping of introverts and players who are bad at the game.
>>730047880Because server lists are dead and most people are retarded zoomers who "que up." now. Even the millennials.
>>730036529>Dean Takahashi
>>730031251Sometimes I want to bully shitters. I'm not always in the mood for actual competition
>>730048932Not true, it seems to register any sort of gunshots and throw you in there, it just also has a skill-based component where successful kills put you against better players.
I call bs. I’m a nice guy and I constantly get jumped at by some camping faggots
>>730044264I mostly play older single player games, but these threads have been fascinating. People that only care about fighting other players just don't care. PvE people do care because it is a relief that they encounter less desirable players at less of a frequency. Players that just want easy targets of people that want to co-operate are slinging as many insults as they can, claiming the game will die, and bemoan that they are getting matched with like minded people. You're the only ones unsatisfied with the revelation on what games you're placed in. I wonder why.
>But why? They get to play with other like-minded folk. Why would they seethe at behavior-based matchmaking?Because that's the point of a PvPvE game. You have no-mic murderhobos, no-weapon carrying flute players, straight PvE players trying their hardest to avoid combat and work with others, and the scumbags that act nice then magdump you in the back while you're looting a garbage can. The idea that you're supposed to be sorted into one bag or the other is to say that differnet playstyles aren't supposed to play with one another. It's to say that passive players aren't supposed to be in the same lobby as aggressive players, and vice versa. You're not "supposed" to encounter anything. You run into whatever you run into. Just straight up make PvP or PvE lobbies if you don't want one or the other.
>>730031251why not just leave it as is?
>>730048120>griefingYou have no idea what this word means.
>>730048479Fucking retard
>>730050490I know you are
>>730031251>play style based matchmakingbased
>>730050156The scumbags are an externality to a healthy pvpve game, ganklets getting filtered out by tryhards while everyone at the extremes gets what they want, with a nice mix in between, is good, actually.
>>730031251shitty people dont like shitty peopleits why all the blacks and browns want into white countries
>>730050717>with a nice mix in betweenthere is no mix only pve or pvp lobbies
>>730050542You have no idea what you're talking about moron. Go kill yourself
>>730050939Black and white thinking is a sign of developmental difficulties.
>>730050717>a nice mixThere should be no mix. This goes against the core principle of a PvPvE game. People are buying, installing, and playing a PvPvE game and then complaining that people play it a way they don't like it and screech that those that play in an unapproved manner should not be allowed to play with them. There are no right or wrong ways to play. It's a complete mixed bag. To filter or dilute is to say you simply do not like PvPvE games.
>>730050939>there is no mix only pve or pvp lobbiesThen how do you get placed in a lobby on a fresh account?
>>730051093No, losers should not be allowed to play the game with me. You should not be allowed to play the game with me, and my experience is bettered when you are filtered out by pvp enthusiasts.
>>730051093>There should be no mixYou aren't the developer. The developer decided upon the current games parameters. There are other games in the genre that may suit you more if that's how you feel on how the game should be.
>>730033519>act like a nigger>upset you're caged with niggers
>>730050949My dad works there but ok
>>730031251I want to pub stomp
98% of the people complaining about this are just gankers / griefers who don't want to have to go against anyone who might actually fight back.
>>730031251Honestly if you play PVP you are probably just a shitty person.
>pvpve game>Pve players crying about the PvP existingWhy are you playing souls gamesWhy are you playing extraction PvP games >Uhm ehmI know why, you're doing it for the status of playing something "hardcore" but don't want to face the actual "hard" part.You're here for the glory, not for the fight. You are eager while you have 2 friends carrying you, but you run and altf4 when they die.You want to stroke your ego, and losing to another human being is the most humiliating thing possible for you because you no longer feel like a god gamer and you have to cope in every possible way you can. Pve-only fags ruin another world PvP game.
>>730051850trying too hard
>>730051256Okay, play elden ring without mods and face invaders when you summon your friends.
>pve only fags in pvpve games, no exception
>>730052023Don't have it, never played it. Don't know what you're trying to get at.
The segregation bothers me the most as a friendly player, I like the dynamics of helping people when it's unsure if I will, or helping someone that was attacked by a hostile player. I don't want to play in complete carebear lobbies when the playerbase isn't even reflective of that
If PvP is really that bad, then why are there so few online games that are PvE-only? Everyone claims to hate PvP, yet Steam Charts is completely dominated by PvP titles. Full-loot PvP games like Rust even make it into the Top 10.
>red man bad
"pvp" players when after solely going after pve players and going>LOL U MAD QUIT THE GAMEall of the pve players do actually quit and now the "pvp" player has to go against actual pvp players who all push his shit inso he then also quits
>>730052213but you know how to get out of carebare servers.why are you acting as if your forced to play pve only?
>>730037423This is how I relax, you can't choose how I relax. It must be me
>>730052265You know how whenever you play a pvp game that isn't explicitly skill based matchmaking and you just absolutely stomp someone who moves and reacts like an old man and has absolutely 0 chance against you? That's the people piping up ITT. They think this means they will never be raped again, which is the only victory they could hope for
>>730052265If there's so many great PvP games, then what's the problem with a game catering more to PvE to not be homogenized?
>>730052334Because I don't find a single friendly player outside of the friendly lobbies because they're all shoved into there. I'm not looking to be the communal punching bag
>>730037423Because being raped is not relaxing.
>>730052551Have you tried shooting back?
>>730033464This but unironically
>>730033464>"PvP" fags are not in it for the PvP. If they were, they'd play shooters with actual versus modes.they play both, your cope is retarded
>>730052650Yes. You just start to realize that out of 10 matches playing that way, there's been one single time where being friendly in those lobbies hasn't just given everyone else aggressor's advantage where they get to take half of your life out for free before you pull your gun out in response. I'm okay eating that disadvantage, just not every single time you see another player. The alternative is becoming one of them, which I'm also okay with and have done, but it still ends up with an entirely aggressive or entirely passive lobby which isn't representative of the actual playstyle demographics of the game.
>>730052137>waah why can't i find matches waaahif you want to compete, try real sports, homo.
>play solely to kill other players >get angry when you get matched with likeminded playersAre PvPers just retarded?
>>730053274Most of them are conservative. So yes.
pvpfags did the exact same thing with the new Dune game and it literally died because everyone got tired of them and left
>>730053274most of them are liberals, so yes
>>730031251I don't play these PvPvE games, but if I did I would 100% quit if they told me the modes were segregated by "aggression"... that seems like it would be half the fun of running into a rando in these games, the unknown "are they helpful or a traitorous cunt" aspect.Modern game developers are retarded and balance their games for basedboys and women, more news at 11.
>>730038849>easilyspending 10 minutes shooting at a bastions knee joints with a ferro is a sure fire way for someone to come third party your ass
>>730053967Just look at ITT, bunch of unironic low test fags celebrating that they won't run across pvpers in their pvp game anymore
>>730031251>But why? They get to play with other like-minded folk. Why would they seethe at behavior-based matchmaking?>iv) Killers get their kicks from imposing themselves on others. ...The more massive the distress caused, the greater the killer's joy at having caused it. Normal points-scoring is usually required so as to become powerful enough to begin causing havoc in earnest, and exploration of a kind is necessary to discover new and ingenious ways to kill people. Even socialising is sometimes worthwhile beyond taunting a recent victim, for example in finding out someone's playing habits, or discussing tactics with fellow killers. They're all just means to an end, though; only in the knowledge that a real person, somewhere, is very upset by what you've just done, yet can themselves do nothing about it, is there any true adrenalin-shooting, juicy fun.>KILLERS V. KILLERS>Killers try not to cross the paths of other killers, except in pre-organised challenge matches. Part of the psychology of killers seems to be that they wish to be viewed as somehow superior to other players; being killed by a killer in open play would undermine their reputation, and therefore they avoid risking it (compare Killers v Explorers). This means that nascent or wannabe killers are often put off their chosen particular career path because they themselves are attacked by more experienced killers and soundly thrashed. For this reason, it can take a very long time to increase the killer population in a MUD, even if all the conditions are right for them to thrive; killer numbers rise grindingly slowly, unless competent killers are imported from another MUD to swell the numbers artificially. Bartle taxonomy of player types still holds true.
>>730031251Isn't the solution the ranking system?So a new player doesn't get into a match with a platinum no life player?
>>730054519won't work, the player base is already stratified enoughthe game is fine as it is, having a bit of weighted matchmaking to keep psychopaths stabbing each other in the back is perfectly great for everyone
>>730031251this just reads as opportunities for me for maximum salt farmingplay for little bit to get rolled into the PVE carebear queuekill just a few, not too many so as to not wind up in the PvP MM, but make sure to target the highest rollers that are deepest into the PvE queuethen PvE for a couple days to get pushed back over to the PvE queuedo it all over again and the dorks that can't control themselves get sent to the gulag
It's the same shit with fromslop games, PvP niggers want to stomp new players and just that, the moment they are forced to play with niggers at their same level they start chimping out that the "skill matchmaking" is bad.
>>730054332All you do is ferro one joint (6 shots), run behind it, and throw impacts so it hits their back cell and their center core. It takes like 10 to take it down. One trailblazer nade in the right spot will do like 80% as well.>>730031251I still think this is dumb, part of the magic of having friendly encounters is that they happen despite the PVP, having matchmaking that puts friendly players together takes away from that magic.Not to mention that having a system like this just encourages throwing matches with free kits to get friendly lobbies before doing their trial system, running good gear, or to grief carebears. It just results in people gaming the system rather than enjoying special moments when they happen.
>>730051978its not. PvP fags want to get their licks in and a good fight is all in good fun. PvE fags project that somehow every pvp player wants to stomp shitters.Seriously what's even the point of playing PvE in this game, corner sniping a bot for 10 minutes is fun to you people? You want to build a stash and do what with it? PvP is the only part of the game that makes it remotely special. Even as a PvE orientated player, why the fuck would you play this game if not to get shot at occasionally by a real player?
Its a TPS game and niggers want to PvP, LMAO, go play fortnite and shit like that kids, waiting for this shit game to release a FPS queue so I can actual enjoy killing some jeets.
>>730055664>its not. PvP fags want to get their licks in and a good fight is all in good fun.Why do you keep posting this cope when everyone knows it's not true?
>>730055664>PvE fags project that somehow every pvp player wants to stomp shitters.No, idiots are confused that a game isn't catering to ganking. Pve and pvp aren't being ignored, they aren't segregated, and you seem to be intentionally misunderstanding the critique.
>>730052407i think the game chose how you get to relax
>>730031251Thank fuck, that's exactly what I've been hoping for. Yeah it's a pvp game, people are going to fuck with you but it's really frustrating when it's inconsistent and you get matches that are chillville, next match is chillville, next match is chillville then all the sudden next round is gas gas gas city and you're getting lit up within seconds of starting your next match.
>>730031251It's all fine and cool, but how do you get out? Let's say you were trigger happy and killed on sight, but now want to try a more stealthy approach or even challenges like extracting without firing a single shot, how do you get out of this PvP queue an algorithm put you in? Cause if they put me in the PvP queue I'm gonna get insta-killed unless I return fire.
>>730043403It's 100% this. It's bandits crying they have to fight law enforcement instead of merchants and civilians.
>player in lobby has co-operative calling card>"*sigh*">cranks out typewriter>"Hello coward, you will never be a real raider, your bitch behavior will be on your grave, your gear will reject your estrogen, you will always be a coward, you will never be gud, you look like Lord Farquaad.">Hit enter>Wait 30 seconds...>Hear the PvEroon rustle around HIS room through his mic>He picks something up*CLK**CHK CHK**BANG*"GARLGKGLKKK"*THUD*>turns out the pver was roommates with 2 other shitters and they scream in terror seeing their BITCH friend on the floor, head blown in half from a self inflicted shotgun blast>hearing this through his mic I scream...>"YOU WILL NEVER BE A REAL RAIDER">both PvE cucks begin crying uncontrollably and screaming>one of them puts their head between the door and the door frame, grabs the door and begins slamming the door into their head, slowly bludgeoning themself to death*BANG**BANG**BANG**CRCKCHK**SPLTPSLCRKCK**BANG**THUD*>the other PvEcucks uses the shotgun on the first dead cuck's stomach area, causing the large intestine to spill out*CHK CHK**BANG**SCLPSLTS*>HE then proceeds to pull out the entire large intestine, and tie one end to the ceiling fan and the other around his neck while standing on top of the bunk bed, then falls down*ACK**HNNNNGH**URK**CRACK**BLAARGHHH*>I chuckle to myself as I continue the match in pure bliss without the tainted pussy stenching the game with his low test body.>"Ohohohoho"
>types out all that>"im not mad i swear"lol didn't read
>>730031251They want unabashed baby seal clubbing or else pvp is dead
>>730061395I see you got matched with some real players, and it didn't go well. Got it all out of your system?
>>730033007All permadeath pvp games have the same problem that the risk/reward is always extremely rigged in favor of the attacker>Attacker usually has nothing work taking, everything to gain>Defender has shit on them worth stealing, has everything to lose>If Defender wins they get nothing out of it because their attacker has dogshit on them worth taking and the attacker has only lost a small bit of their time>If Attacker wins the Defender loses potentially hours of progress for about 5 mins of effort of the Attacker.Stopped playing these kinds of games because it gets really tiring and no game has managed to come up with an elegant solution to this, in real life the risk to the attacker is you fucking die forever irl.
>>730031251>pvps wanna bully>pvps can't cope with being bullied
>>730031251I queue up to torment PvE shitters and not to play 3rd person CoD against other PvPers.
>>730062506The solution was always simple. Disallow attacking without having a certain amount of value on you. Bandit behavior is discouraged by risking your life, in vidya, your life has no meaning, so your loot must be put on the line. If you attack, your stash must be put on the line, if the defender wins, they take it.
>>730063507But that would for dedicated PvP players to PvE in this PvPvE game.
>>730031251>Turns out PVP players love conflict but hate challenge.Get mad.Stay mad.Die mad.
>>730063507The issue is then you end up with the opposite problem where fully geared players will spawnkill new players for loot and make the game borderline unplayable for people who arent already "in", DayZ had this problem big time where people would just spawn kill new players for fun and the power difference is so great that they dont stand a chanceI think the genre is just fundamentally broken honestly
>>730062506You missed my point a bit. For me it's not just the attacker advantage. It's the fact that PvE and PvP needs EXTREMELY different loadouts. If you want to bring down a queen, you need to bring TOP gear. Highly upgraded weapons, hullcracker, wolfpack grenades, mines, you need to be LOADED. What do you need to engage in PvP? Freekit will do. Upgraded basic weapon is great as well. How does that compare? Oh, you can literally get the mats needed from a vendor at home as long as you loot something every 5 runs? Cool, cool, cooool. If I go in with a PvE set I risk EVERYTHING, if I go in with a PVP set I risk NOTHING. And that imbalance is truly what killed the game for me. Why I want PvE servers. I'm fine with going in full geared, and risking getting killed by someone equally or at least similarly geared. But going in full geared only to be a fucking loot pinata for someone on a free loadout, or a basic upgraded weapon? Fuck that. And even worse: What do *I* get when a pvper attacks me? A stitcher? Great. What am I gonna do with that?PvP is no risk high reward, PvE is high risk low reward.And that's retarded.
>>730064426Give geared players an incentive to kill other gear players, and make killing new players not worth. A reputation system where NPC merchants increase prices on you, or outright refuse to deal with you til redeem yourself by hunting other bandits like you. Unironically the problem is that the games aren't realistic enough. Bandit behavior doesn't have a drawback due to the lack of reputation, and the fact that dying means nothing. Simply treat bandits as they would be treated in real life, and the genre would be fixed. We all know a subset of players only play this genre to be bandits without any repercussions.
>>730064742>and make killing new players not worthCongratz, you just made: >>730064585this way worse. There is already a HUGE problem, with no gear shitstain freekit and basic loadout players killing highly geared PvE players, who get NOTHING in return if they defend themselves and lose EVERYTHING if they die, and you want to make killing them back EVEN MORE worthless?
>>730031251It's funny how normalfags just accept an algorithm shaping how their game experience goesThere is no spontaneity in any online content anymore, it's all curated and controlled
>>730065439MUD's had heavily involved moderators you uncultured moron. Stop huffing halcyon farts and maybe read about the effort it takes to curate social experiences.
>>730031548>they want to gib on n00bs, thats whyevery pvp game ever
>>730065591>blah blah blah I'M A FAGGOTthanks for sharing anon
>>730064330got the right skin for it
>>730065869Sorry for the late response, your humorous reply left me laughing for quite a time. Nevertheless, I should inform you: concession accepted.
>>730065439Because you're retarded and you fantasy of "organic" experiences is fake and gay. There's a reason chess has a rating system since 1939. Nearly every human vs human activity needs to be curated, or else it becomes a fucking mess. Fighting has weight classes, tons of sports have leagues and divisions, Martial arts have belts. What do you think will happen in counter strike if you don't matchmake? Huh? You're either gonna run through an enemy team that's still trying to find the "shoot" button, or you're gonna play against s1mple, and eat a headshot before you even start aiming at him. How fun! How cool! It's organic! Spontaneity is overrated. It's a fantasy concept. The Idea that you can just "organically" queue into a match and have a good time is entirely fucking unrealistic. It sounds cool in your head, but it's never gonna happen. You know what we used to do before we had algos? We signed up for fucking websites that help you find people to play against (and with), and you were on the honor system not to misrepresent your skill level when you signed up. You can give the algo a lot of shit, but this? This is good.
>>730031251Seems fine. People get the experience they want in the sense that PVP players get more PVP, PVE players get more PVE, and balanced players get both.
>>730031251I really don't like the agression-based matchmaking. I don't mind PvP, it's something that happens every now and then in this kind of game. But the thing is that PvE lobbies are so, so much better to be in. You get tons of shit done so much easier, so you're encouraged to just continue not PvPing ever just to stay in those lobbies. Every 10 or so games someone kills me because they shoot me first, but that also means i get 10 more lobbies where there's zero friction between me and my objectives. It just seems contradictory.
>>730066856Anon, most of us were alive to remember lobbies from games like halo 3, tf2, quake, tribes, UT, CS:S, cod, etc. None of them had curated matchmaking as the default, all of them were more fun than games that do.
>>730068583If they were more fun in general, people would play games with those server browsers. It seems to me that it is only a subset of players that those servers were more fun for.
changes arc raiders needs>make rare loot more valuable, kettle and stitcher are too good and should be more like the rattler at lvl 1, purple loot should be a bit better, more unique high-end tech weapons that actually do things to players>or just nerf free kits so they can't instaqueue 24/7 without putting anything on the line>significantly stronger arc so you have to plan around them, if you can ever simply ignore the PVE part of the game it's fucked>more events that encourage cooperation and the potential for betrayal like queens, maybe something like a payload that has to be moved across the map, or a multi-layered dungeon like dark and darker
>>730068583Most of those games had moderation, vote tools, and a group of regulars from a much smaller pool of more invested gamers. There's a lot of self-regulation in the makeup of those old servers that's easy to forget.
>>730068686Server browsers are mostly dead and games that have them are flooded with bots and spam to the point where it's unrealistic to use them. In halo 3, both ranked matchmaking and casual matchmaking without mmr existed, and casual was by far the more popular gamemode.
>>730035718Why? They're catering to me not you
>>730068686Should clarify a bit, at the time those games were in their prime the gamer demographic was different then the gamer demographic today. At the time, a server browser was considered selling point: games that did not have them were shunned. To the players of the time those games came out, server browsers were more fun for the majority of players.Today is different. The vast majority of gamers are not the same as those of days of yore. To these players, matchmaking is superior to server browsers. If it wasnt, they would play server browser games and modes over matchmaking modes and games.
>>730066856this desu, you literally only have to play one survival sandbox game to realize this. the rust devs clearly are enamored with the idea of emergent social stuff but nobody does it because it's completely unregulatedthe thing that sets arc raiders apart from other extraction shooters is that they've presented just enough regulation to encourage co-op play without making pvp something nobody does ever.aggression matchmaking could be a misstep now that people are aware of it and going to attempt to game it but we'll see
>>730068954I included halo 3 and cod intentionally as examples of matchmaking without server browsers, I'm just saying it's dumb to treat this as some miserable hypothetical that would never work when they were literally the most popular games of their time.
The PvPers complaining about this are just communists who want free kills. They can't compete in a merit-based system
>>730066856>>730069026>just lie down and let the algorithm decide how your game goes goycattle brained
>>730068583As other anons pointed out: These became self regulating. I too, played on these servers. Heck, I even mentioned the time of signing up on websites to find players right? So clearly I was around during these times. CS:S for instance: You kept server hopping until you found one where others were playing on your skill level. And usually if someone came in and stomped everyone to a stupid amount they got kicked. At the same time you could easily go to a lower skill server and do some pubstomping. But again CS:S true 5v5 matches? You went external, looking for peeps on your level. And your evening was ruined when someone lied and just dominated like crazy.
>>730069445the alternative is that your game goes the same way every time because XxXHazeLoRDXxX physically cannot conceieve of playing a shooter where he doesn't kill everyone on sight and at that point why even bother playing a slow-paced extraction shooter instead of something where you get right to the meat a server browser has certain benefits over matchmaking in most genres. an extraction shooter NEEDS to be regulated if you want it to be anything other than slow deathmatch. even in arc raiders with all of the myriad reasons to not kill people there are pvp players who were unbelievably confused at the idea of not killing on sight and thought teaming was "playing the game wrong"
The correct way to balance this would be to reward PvEers with overpowered items that can trivialize PvP, thus disincentivizing mindless PKing
>>730069908They could alternatively not make a fucking game in a genre where this is a constant problem.
>casual nigger pvp game>wtf this is a casual nigger pvp gameWho the fuck cares? Protect ya neck
>>730031251Who are they supposed to effortlessly ambush and rob if everyone else in the lobby is also a lazy ganking shitter with an economical PvP loadout?
>>730069461You're also ignoring that extraction shooters are self-regulating. High skill high aggression players go to high tier loot locations that require investment like keycards to get into, low skill players stick in the shadows and scavenge in less desireable buildings. The difference is, in all of these examples, the variety of experiences, lobbies, and playstyles exist, and you can use your agency to experience them all instead of being shoved into the same homogenous lobbies with the same homogenous players match after match. I enjoyed arc raiders up until ~3 weeks ago when they implemented the aggression based matchmaking, and now every match is the same.
I remember my first experience with being corpse camped in a mmo. unfortunately for my griefer I was more autistic than he was so he gave up killing me faster than I got tired of respawning. I went onto the game forum afterwards and found a thread about pking and saw someone arguing that since the game doesn't have permadeath the only way to make your faction win was to grief low level players on the other faction so they wouldn't have fun playing the game and unsub before they got to high enough level to fight back.
>>730070731>now every match is the sameSounds like they should improve the maps and matchmaking.
>>730071196The maps and matchmaking were great until they invalidated the maps and the experience with a combination of abmm and sbmm.
>>730071390Were they universally considered great, or is that from your perspective? Not baiting, I'm curious how it was received by the larger playerbase, and it's possible what you were looking for in the experience isn't a widely shared sentiment. Sucks if it made everything bland for everyone.
>>730031251They're effeminate in general. They can't dominate others physically, financially, or with status in real life, so they turn to becoming predators online. They don't even play competitive shooters or competitive games in general.
>>730069758>everybody wins>everybody has 50% win rate >everybody has a 1.0kd Gen z loves this
>>730071541People complained about players claiming they were friendly and then backstabbing, but not the matchmaking itself. People now complain about the homogeneity of lobbies, when I talk to people in my guilds / friend groups from other games about arc raiders, they all say they quit because all of the lobbies ended up too passive (because they too were also friendly, but wanted more excitement and variety in their games). There's pushback to the idea that abmm is a problem, but it's mainly in the forms you see in this thread, where it's just people wanking off about how hard they can strawman the people that dislike it by accusing them of being skilless rats that just want to bully and betray people without penalty, and a significant amount of them don't even play the game to know what's even being talked about. When I play now in passive lobbies, I rush the highest value nearby location, loot it, and leave with a full inventory in somewhere between 3 and 8 minutes with minimal interaction with other players. There is no reason to loot lower value locations, no reason to stick in match, no reason to play cautiously, no reason to talk and converse and listen out and ask people if they're friendly or whether they want to group up for safely, lobbies have gotten significantly more quiet. If I shoot someone and end up in an aggressive lobby instead, there likewise is a homogeneity of experience across the map. High value locations are bloodbaths, low value locations are bloodbaths. Everyone will shoot on sight, everyone will wait around corners to kill you. Trying to talk will only reveal your position, and people will not respond. Even this might be okay if it weren't for other issues the game has, but that's beyond the scope of this discussion, and it's disappointing to have the range of gameplay experiences reduced so severely.
>>730050156>Because that's the point of a PvPvE game. You have no-mic murderhobos, no-weapon carrying flute players, straight PvE players trying their hardest to avoid combat and work with others, and the scumbags that act nice then magdump you in the back while you're looting a garbage can.In theory this works, but in practice it does not.PVPVE games always start the same and end the same, at the start of the game there is heaps of weird roleplayers, playstyles and 'character types' you meet.But then the PVPfags start to spread, they KOS, grief, gank and use every underhanded tactic to kill players. Not for personal gain but just to shit on everybody's parade.People notice they just get KOS'd every single time, and they start to KOS as well, eventually the only player type is KOS griefer because the alternative is to be shot in the back by a KOS griefer.
>>730072063Damn that sounds like total overkill on the algorithm lol, no turbulence or uncertainty, just all carebears or killers. It also seems as if they didn't account for what natural incentives disappear when you homogenize the playerbase, and didn't take any effort to replace them. If you don't have good reasons to want to shoot/trust a player, why do that? Just play optimally for the lobby type and that's that.
Finally played the game. Why are the robots so fucking powerful?In solos most people just leave you alone, not even a few assholes, they are basically NPCs. In teams I assume people are playing with friends so of course you're just trying to kill others.
>>730072156Part of the issue here is that there aren't really any examples where pve in pvpve games is actually a valid form of content. In dayz, zombies are an absolute joke and only serve to provide set dressing and an alert that players are in the area when gunshots are heard. In Tarkov, scavs are likewise a joke and only force gunshots that give surrounding players audio cues. Project:Zomboid is a good example of a game that provides pve content and a reason to engage with other players in it, and its pvpve servers have a range of players playing in different ways long after its release. Arc Raiders is one of the first big examples of a game with more engaging pve content that encourages cooperation, but even that is limited and would likely devolve in time unless further expanded. Dark & Darker is another big example, and that's continued having a diversity of player types in its lobbies, but erring on the side of aggression.
>>730072156Yeah m8 that’s how matchmade, instanced extraction shooters work. If you want a more team-based game play an actual survival game like Rust or Day Z.
>>730072649>NOOOOOOOO YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THE GAME HAS TO BECOME A PVP COD-FEST OR ELSE IT IS LE GAY!Fuck off back to CoD then you retard.
>argue that the game is only truly exciting because of the uncertainty and those pvp moment add to the enjoyment>game put them with more aggressive players so they can have excitement>NOOOO, NOT LIKE THIS
>>730072525All of them have weaknesses and specialized ways to kill them. Hornets/wasps you want to shoot off two unprotected rotors to take them down, shredders you want to take out their thrusters while playing around cover that you can circle around, big arc like bombardiers/bastions you need to either shoot off the plating of their legs to immobilize them or use specialized equipment like trailblazers or deadlines, rocketeers you want to either flip with a showstopper, take out two thrusters from a distance with single shot heavy weapons, or mount with a snap hook and deadline.
>>730072941the key word here is "uncertainty," anon.
>>730072602>Project:Zomboid is a good example of a game that provides pve content and a reason to engage with other players in it, and its pvpve servers have a range of players playing in different ways long after its releaseNobody plays Zomboid PvP lmao. Servers are usually whitelist-only or between friends.
>>730073048There are several big servers that allow it, sometimes restricting it to specific areas like louiseville, and I've played on them and they're fun.
>>730073118Zomboid hasn't had multiplayer for over a year Anon, and the newest multiplayer release is a complete and utter mess that nobody is seriously playing.
>>730038812No. Playing at that level is fun. You extend the gap between others with attitudes like what you are and end up destroying entire lobbies or always ranking first because you have become good.Not being a passive bitch whining about no easy targets. Every situation you are now a prepared weapon that could fuck a pro because of situational awareness on what works. Crying about being in master that you are defenceless has always been my biggest laugh.
>>730072941Such as it is when their enjoyment of PvP derives exclusively from risking the absolute bare minimum on leeching off of unwary PvE babbies.
>>730065439That's how the internet has been since 2017. Everything is curated. Nothing is organic. This is one of the last places that isn't destroyed and even there there are tons of bots
>>730072941>HEH, GET CURBSTOMPED CHAFF! FUCK YOU!>W-WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU MEAN I AM HAVING TO FIGHT PEOPLE WHO FIGHT BACK!? HELP! HELP! SOMEBODY CANCEL THESE PVE MODES!
>>730072962Thank you for this I appreciate it. Happy Hunting! One of my friends said he wishes they let you turn people into human shields like in COD so that he can go "I don't want your loot, I want your cheeks"
>>730072725Yes else the game economy gets absolutely fucked since everyone is stacking top-tier gear with minimal risk of loss.
>>730042208no, there's a distinct molestedness to zoomersadism, you can tell being raised on tablets made a lot of them antisocial and sadistic whenever they can get away with it. could just be 3rd world behavior, but i think it's also generational.
>>730073631Oh the horror, the 'economy' being ruined and players having too much fun!That sounds so incomprehensibly jewish.
>>730072941>every battle royal game has side pve with added dopamine hit of rush it all dries uyou get what you fuck deserve either deal with it or play single player offline games I wish people would just fuck stop making it a big fuck deal.
>>730031548Thread should've ended here. A lot of PvPfags inevitably get mad that they're not the top of the leaderboards and want to dunk on noobs who don't want to engage with that kind of gameplay because a free win gives them dopamine. These same people, in the event they get destroyed, get insanely mad and are the kind of people to send hate messages.
I'm having fun :)
>>730055041This. For someone who enjoys betrayals this is a wonderful system. People always feel relaxed because 'safe space'. Get them to open loot doors. Kill them when they start to look. Lay low. Profit.
>>730073673Yes anon it’s how these games work. You being fully kitted in perpetuity after 3 20-minute raids is busted as fuck.
>>730031251PvP players do not and have never wanted a fair match. They only want opponents who are generally shit and clueless so they can stomp them for easy wins.
>>730073925And if players are enjoying that, who the fuck are you to tell them that they're wrong, lmao?>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO PLAYERS ARE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE FUN AT THEIR OWN PACE THEY MUST ASCRIBE TO OUR THINK-TANK CALCULATED DOPAMINE HITS!
>>730073982Because people will quickly drop the game if it’s just a bunch of weenies shooting ai for fetch quests and then you will also stop having fun. If you want that kinda stuff you’d be best served playing an actual survival game with tech trees, base-building and non-combat progression paths.
>>730070731PvP more then you pussy like end game intends for you to do. You are definitely not extracting with the maximum possible loot everytime if you don't hunt players.
>>730062506There is no solution, because the game design is fundamentally cancer.
>>730054332nta but I did this about 8 times yesterday and nobody shot at me, some people even helped me.also if you want to make wolfpacks once you have the blueprint they're super fucking cheap, just open a probe or 2 for the motion cores and pick up the free resources from your chicken and you'll have more than enough to blast them apart in seconds.
>>730074212>People will leave the game if they have too much fun!Lol, lmao.Corpo niggers need the rope.
>>730073969Knowing when and where to attack other players is part of the skill of PvP in an open world game like this, anon. If you aren't stalking players and waiting for your chance to ambush them when they're looting a container or otherwise least expect it, then you're literally playing the game wrong.
>>730074418>You need to Git Gud, scrub lol>Proceeds to literally play in the most cowardly and underhanded way possible
>>730074353Nobody will stick with the game long-term if the game devolves into everyone ratting hyper-passively for dailies and quests.
>>730031251Is it smart enough to detect when you're just acting in self defense? Does it disregard matches on Stella Montis (the pvp map)? I would want to know more about how sophisticated this system is before passing judgment, but in general I think this is a retarded idea that just creates a negative feedback loop. Most people that I know who play Arc all started friendly and then got more and more hostile as they played and as they got ganked by other players. You can only get ambushed at an extraction so many times before you stop being friendly and start shooting first. Which, apparently, is only going to result in you getting matched with other hostile players, thereby encouraging even more hostile play. Again, I'm open to hearing them explain more about how the system works, but honestly this seems like a retarded idea that only works on paper
>>730074469Sorry anon but me toasting you and your boyfriend is part of the game.
>>730074470>You don't understand, we NEED to psychologically exploit and manipulate players or else we won't make money!Fuck off jew
Be me. PvE solo friendly mindset. Find the tallest point. Start sniping everyone and breaking shields for sport. Piss everyone off they come at me in a large group. Zipline and start the game of cat and mouse. I am the cat they are the mice though.
>>730074469>the most cowardly and underhanded way possibleThe game is Arc Raiders, not "Fair and Gentlemanly Arc Dueling Redditors"
>>730031251Every game gets ruined by whiny carebear losers who can't compete.Every PvE loser should be forced into a cage in real life to fight and forced to compete. They should be beaten into becoming men.
>>730074571Anon I’m just shooting you in the face - your mental impairments are all yours.
>>730074536Lol i am not spilling. It is fun to trick PvE players into killing each other. I am literally playing Among Us sometimes.
>>730074248Two problems. One, it's not efficient. Yeah, you could end up with more, but you do it in 2-5x the amount of time a quick 80k stella run will get you. Two, it's been confirmed the game now uses both agression-based AND skill-based matchmaking. That means that getting good to get more money from kills isn't an option, players will always be approximately your skill level, and engagements will have approximately 50/50 odds in your favor. It is not sustainable for making money, pvp is strictly for fun. That being said, I do pvp.
>another game where "hardcore pvpers" out themselves as the niggers they arecan't hack it in cawadooty or an arena deathmatch game so you flock to pvpve gamesmany such casessad!
>>730074805>t. just got extraction camped and lost all of his loot because he's a nigger with a free loadout and no safe pockets
>>730031251This is functionally the same as PvE queue except you supposedly aren't tweaking anything to suit any type of player. Fantastic copout. Normalfaggots deserve death for making this game so much revenue.
>>730074682Then what are you bitching about? If you still wanted to see parties you talk too leave to extract after being a vet you must be stupid. The fun is the ability to choose your fights or get attacked on. You can always revive an enemy team you have downed and try forced diplomacy in sweaty servers. It is easy to sus out trios who might be cool with it.
>Another thread where pvpniggers seethe at people saying they don't want to play with themI thought you guys wanted fair challenge and a pvp oriented game? Why are you upset people aren't playing that?
>>730074845>he UNIRONICALLY thinks I'd play with extraction niglets kek get your ass back into blops or siege or quake you fucking vulture you'll eventually stop being a gigashitter
>>730075016Then why are you here, faggot?
>>730074975Same reason why white people enslaved dark people and took their land for no reason other than they could.
Gutless faggots who won't ever engage unless they're absolutely positive that they have the upper hand deserve to share lobbies with each other.
>>730075062to get you worthless faggots to come back to a proper pvp gamethat is what you wanted, right?a proper pvp game? right?
The current situation is good. The biggest complainers are griefers which is stupid because they can still do evil shit in malicious ways just not 'own the noobs' because they lack that level of skill. After good looks I always change up my play style to aggressor in passive lobbies. People complain about being victims and not realising thr fun to be had. Majority of people just sound really stupid to me.
>>730075078Except people aren't playing with the PVPniggers, hence the seething. PvPniggers lost.
>>730075134>noooooooooooooooooooo stop playing arc raiders and come back to play wif meeeeeeeeeeeeewow you really are a complete faggot. you could have said anything and that's what you went with? lol
>>730075202>I'm a gigashitter and got buck broken in even ground pvp so I fled to extraction shootersthats all you had to say, niggeryou could have said anything but you chose thatfucking pathetic lol
>>730075202Why are you playing Arc Raiders for the PvP if there's better PvP games out there?I don't play Skyrim for it's action elements.
>>730074975PvE is the niggers because they cry for their gibs and then ruin the whole game.
>>730075262go back. you lose.
>>730075294Weird, PvE people seem to be having a great time and enjoying themselves.Why are you so upset at their happiness?
>>730075283I play Arc for the combination of PvPvE that it is. Retard.
>>730075314I accept your concession, gigashitter
>>730075354>I play it for the PVPVE>While only ever talking about it from the PVP aspect>And being upset at those who enjoy the PVE aspectLOL
>>730073820thats because they adopt strategies and when they don't work you're not "playing by the rules"
>>730075454I don't know which anon you think I am, but I'm not "upset" at anyone who enjoys PvE. I'm talking about PvP because that's literally what the thread is about. Goddamn there are some illiterate niggers in here. READ, nigger
>>730033464this exact same thing applies to Souls games and is the reason PvP has been getting steadily more dogshit in those games after its peak in 2 but people go into massive cope mode acting like that's not the case when pointed out
>>730075513>He still is only talking about PvP Jej>>730033464This is something which a lot of people don't really discuss, players aren't interested in doing PvP they're interested in killing as many players as possible. There's a subtle but important difference there.Playing DayZ and shooting a new spawned newbie with a mosin 800 meters away, is not PvP.
>>730069445Anon, there's a TON of algos that you can rebel against. The alt right youtube pipeline, the fact that tiktok only shows you attractive people, Youtube putting LGBT content as "mature content", spotify fake shuffle AND spotify pushing fake ass AI artists, anything youtube shorts. There's SO MUCH algorithm shit you can and SHOULD be outraged about, and the fact that a game tries to match you with similar players of your skill level and whatnot is THE ONE THING that an algo is actually fucking good for.
>>730075165What's going to happen is that the developers will start catering to PvE more and then the game will eventually become like everything eles and die due to compromising on the formula.
>>730075724>Oh the horror, the game will have a large, dedicated PVE playerbase without needing psychological manipulationLol
>>730075724I hope that's not the case. They don't need to cater to PvE, they just need to do a few balance adjustments on the weapons and scrap free loadouts. Make the PvP niggers actually put up their own gear if they want to PvP. That's literally all that it would take. The problem with PvP right now is you can drop in with a free loadout stitcher and be able to ambush and immediately delete someone who has much better gear than you. No risk, all reward. That's why so many people are doing it. Make these no skill faggots have to actually craft their own gear and wager loadouts of their own and the problem will largely take care of itself.
>>730075764That's how games die. Can't tell you how many MMOs started with good PvE which was then walled behind an arena and the game ends up dying.
>>730075870started with good PvP*
>>730075870>PVE is bad because...IT JUST IS! OKAY!?>IF THE GAME FORCED PVE PLAYERS TO BE KILLED BY ME THE GAME WOULD BE BETTER!>JUST LET ME SHOOT YOU! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!
>yeah man I love PvP>*goes catatonic as he farms people that don't fight back*>*instantly becomes irate if someone manages to kill him*Never known one of you fags that wasn't like this tbqhwyfampaitachi.
>>730076073>PvP is the best way to play the game bruh>Huh? How do I kill other players? Well I do so when they have no chance of attacking me back, plus I always bring my five buddies just in case>Do I use the most meta playerkiller equipment? Of course, why wouldn't I?
pvpniggers hate getting walled off for the same reason that browns always refuse to play on their own servers. Quite the ironic conundrum.
Speaking of PVE and PVP mixed games.I used to like the first TC Division game because the dark zone was fun as a concept.I mean it was ass at first because only turbo faggots, autists and grieffers got the best loot.As I forced myself to play the game if only to beat the PVP niggers, I did end up enjoying the game more.I could never force myself to kill people without prior provocation, even when I reached the point I could beat several players at the same time, but playing Dark Zone police was fun because PVP against Rogue agents could be a challenge or they would be shitters seeking to kill noobs and I would curb stomp them forcing them to play nice.My favorite memory is teaming up to take the largest PVP autist in the server, he got used to having his way because he had items that were removed from the game, but I teamed up with two other rogue agents I was fighting earlier, in fact I came to their aid because the game log reported them being killed over and over.We fuck his shit up so badly he had to call a friend, and even then the game was too even so he ragequit.So PVP/E mixed game can be fun, but I feel the Division had something special.Ubisoft ruined it in the sequel.
the eternal seething about pvp from no skill shitters is as satisfying in this thread as it is when I'm knocking you faggots out in game.
>>730076524>Picture this in your head, okay?>I am winning and you are seething>You mad now? Are you le hecking mad? ehhhhhhh?Meanwhile in reality, most of /v/ plays JRPGS and VNs.I don't think I have ever seen /v/ be competitive in anything since tf2 and tribesI think you are lying about playing videogames.
>>730076829all those words, but /v/ is literally crying and pissing and shitting their pants over pvp in this very thread, anon.
>>730031251First shot rights is essentially cheating.Now if they abuse ganking they will be dumped in a map with people like them, effectively removing easy mode and improving the experience for 90% of the users.Hopefully this will set a new industry standard.
>>730075870Getting shot in the back by low-risk/high-reward shitters isn't good PvP.
>>730076971>entire thread is pvpers crying and shidding and farding and being niggers about being segregated>NO Ukek
>>730031995>Relax after Work>I'll Play PvP (live service)-slop
>>730077245meds
>>730076524I'm too busy playing actually good games like Fallout 2 and Stellaris and shit to be worried about pvpniggers like you seething at me having fun.
>>730075724PvP STILL EXISTS YOU STUPID FUCKS. ALL THE CRYING IS BECAUSE YOU GUYS ARE STUCK GETTING FARMED LOL
>>730077150NO YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND, IT'S A FAIR BATTLE WHEN ME AND MY THREE-MAN DISCORD USING GANKER SQUAD FIGHTS SOMEONE WITH LOW TIER EQUIPMENT!
>>730075590>Playing DayZ and shooting a new spawned newbie with a mosin 800 meters away, is not PvPyou talk like a fag and your shits all retarded
>>730050143>easy targetsThat's not true though,whenever I kill some hobo I don't get a satisfaction I get from killing some giga nigga that sweats the game for thousands of hours.>unsatisfied I don't really care eitherway, more fighting is good for me though,so it's kind of a good change. Also>I mostly play single player games>I know everything about mentality of multiplayer games btwSounds like you can't compete and resorted to single player games, which is fine, if you weren't such a little bitch about it lmao
>>730078426Still not playing any games with (you) lol, enjoy fighting other sweats.
>>730037859We kill you to hear you whine over mic and rob you of your time, not for your freekit. Knowing you lost that time and have to load in again is satisfying. You're never getting that time back and I'm running off to kill another scrub that will probably post later on 4chan crying about it too.
>>730078586>Proceeds to then bitch and moan when players leave the gameLol
>>730073385it's so insane that 4chan is an island of sanity on an algo-driven hellscape internet. It's one of the only sites left where every user sees the same content and it's all chronological.Everywhere else is fucked.>>730066856>It sounds cool in your head, but it's never gonna happenhow do you think it all worked in online gaming before algorithm based matchmaking was invented you abjectly dense spastic? Dumb newfag.
>>730078861>it's so insane that 4chan is an island of sanity on an algo-driven hellscape internet. It's one of the only sites left where every user sees the same content and it's all chronological.Dude I've seen the same fucking thread posted, including multiple pre-made posts throughout the thread, countless times.4chan is botted to hell and back, its more organic than most of the internet but as if that matters when 70% of it is bots.
>>730031251Same reason dark souls 2's soul memory system caused pvpfags to cry and piss and shit their pants.The vast majority of these kinds of people don't want to engage in a fair contest between equals, they want to fuck people over because they can only derive joy from being other people down.
Genuine good-faith question:Why is it that every time we get a PvP game, the PvE players whine constantly until it gets "fixed"?I remember every other forum post on Sea of Thieves asking for a solo modeI remember Tarkov players kicking and screaming until we finally got PvE modeNow there's Arc Raider players crying every time someone gets a player kill, wouldn't be surprised if we got a PvE-only queue in the following monthsWhy aren't PvP players allowed to have their game? Why must EVERY game ALWAYS cater to PvE players but never the other way around?
>>730079002>Why are PVE people upset a PVPVE game turns into another aimless PVP game?I wonder why! It's almost as if the game isn't supposed to be CoD with extra steps!
>>730072063>flavour of the month game got boring in a monthdude that's CRAZY>>730072725It's pretty obvious who is the tourist and whom will be fucking off back to whatever shit game they came from, buddy.
So why can't game worlds be "dangerous" for players anymore?Does no one understand the thrill of knowing you could get ganked at any moment? Sometimes it's you that gets it and sometimes you get the drop on someone else.I will never understand people that want every multiplayer world to be a safe space where nothing can harm you.
>>730079079>PvE player IMMEDIATELY resorts to bad-faith hyperbole in the very first replyDo you not get tired of this?
>>730079114>pvpnigger still insisting a PVPVE game should be little more than PVP
>>730074619wtf, how come you didn't run out of cover and give me a chance to shoot you first? God I HATE gamers that don't give me a 'fair chance'!! :'(
>>730079002More reach I guess? Ultimately it shouldn't hurt the game, like with the case of Tarkov, if it brings more people and attention to the game, I will still play PvP mode, I will still read salty PvErs talking non-stop about PvP. It has no real bearing on PvP mode, other than draining some players to PvE I think, but also it could attract more people to the game in general. Also with Tarkov I think PvE happened because of how popular SPT waswhich is still superior to PvE mode desu
>>730075134if you're not dark-skinned you type like you are
>>730079098>So why can't game worlds be "dangerous" for players anymore?Because that's not how these games work, there's no lingering fear or threat of 'danger' there's just an instant-kill when some retard shoots you in the back of the head when you're looting a can of baked beans.This might sound like a shock to you but people like games when they're fair, being ganked isn't fair and so people will dislike it.
>>730079002the answer is really because there is a friction point (by design) to make PvE difficult or sometimes impossible by adding PvP. Inevitably PvEers will win for a number of reason, mainly that PvEers outnumber PVPers by sometimes a hundred or thousand to 1 and the developers WILL fold to pander to their larger playerbase.
>>730079205Okay so what? Respawn and go again.
>>730078545>Still not playing any gamesYeah well this is /v/ after all
>>730079205It can take 5+ minutes to "die" in Sea of Thieves when you get ganked (longer if you're good) and people still threw absolute tantrums. If you were right, that wouldn't be the case.
>>730079234>Just lose all your progress lmao, grind it up just so I can take it again from you!>>730079269Oh great, just what some nobody wanting to chill out wants to do. Spend over 5 minutes being chased by a bunch of subhumans from another time zone.Reminds me of The Isle where people will chase you for literally a solid hour just to kill you.
>>730079234nah i'll just log off and play something else lol.
>>730078920I take what I can get, where am I going to go for uncensored vidya discussion? Agree the bot situation is beyond fucked.
>>730079234They go and play another game. Every pvpve game in the last 40 years has turned into a tiny core of risk averse pvp groups with very few exceptions, and social constructs + game rules that prevent that are the only way to keep a critical mass of players.
>>730079319Your goalposts flew from>it sucks to die instantly :(to>it sucks to die slowly :(within the span of a single reply. But you ironically discovered the correct conclusion. The answer is that these players aren't the target audience.In a sane world, they would simply stop playing the game and switch to the thousands of other titles that cater to them specifically.But in our clown world, the correct play is to post online until every game caters to the lowest common denominator, every time.It's exhausting.
>>730079390>where am I going to go for uncensored vidya discussionWell, not here I suppose? Ever checked out the Project Zomboid /vm/ thread? It's mostly paid-shills shitting up the thread because the developers can't be assed working on their actual game.
>>730031251Or just put a checkmark that puts you in PvE match with PvP disabled? Or how the did it in some survivalcrafring shit: people can shoot at you but pvp is off until you shoot back.This is again a matchmaking being the only option problem.
>>730078861>how do you think it all worked in online gaming before algorithm based matchmaking was invented you abjectly dense spastic? Dumb newfag.Back then, 99% of people fucking sucked at video games.There wasn't a wiki.There weren't streams.There weren't $1m+ prize pool tournaments.Datamining didn't even exist as a concept.Nowadays, every single game has a fully optimized and tested tierlist and guide posted everywhere on launch day. People solve metas within hours. You have on-demand video of top-rank players teaching you how to pubstomp streamed live to your second monitor.It absolutely isn't the same landscape at all.
>>730079098>I will never understand people that want every multiplayer world to be a safe space where nothing can harm you.this is like 99/100 people, too. People are risk-averse faggots even though all they stand to 'lose' is time which they're already 'losing' by playing a videogame regardless.it's very afeminite, spastic mentality.
SoWhats the point of playing a pvp game if you dont want to pvp?I dont get the appeal of extraction shooters in general but I thought the entire fucking point was to fight other players
>>730079438It sucks to be killed via underhanded and embarrassing tactics which are unfair. How is that hard for you to understand?When I play Doom 1995, the Imps don't sneak behind me and KO me when I pick up an ammo backpack, and I don't have three cyberdemons chasing my ass for an hour when I just want to go to sleep IRL, and logging off would let them take away 8 hours of my progress.
>>730079542There's nothing underhanded about a massive sailboat approaching you from the horizon guns-blazing over the span of five minutes.You're making up scenarios in your head. Every argument you have has a game that provides a counterpoint.
>>730031251>wipe soicvcks>go play purposely bad with 0 investment gear>return to soicvck lobby>repeat
>>730079319>Reminds me of The Isle where people will chase you for literally a solid hour just to kill you.lol what else are you going to do, look at tress? I have to wonder what the fuck is going on in your head playing these games and finding the behavior you encounter to be a surprise in any capacity. Were you born yesterday? jesus christ. Do you have a learning disability anon?
>>730079517>I dont get the appeal of extraction shooters in general but I thought the entire fucking point was to fight other playersThe point is in the name, the point is to get into a match, grab what you need, and get out.Killing other players is intended only if they have something you need, or if they're getting in your way.This whole premise breaks down when players enter a match with the intention of merely killing other players.
>>730078861>how do you think it all worked in online gaming before algorithm based matchmaking was invented you abjectly dense spastic? Dumb newfag.If ONLY I had mentioned how it worked prior to matchmaking in the post you fucking quoted you fucking retard. If you think>hurr durr you just played on a random serverCongratz, you were probably a baby and a shitter in the 90s. Anyone seriously into FPS at the time knew where to go for matchmaking. Just because you were a shitter and only played pubs, doesn't mean that there werent solutions out there anon. Fucking hell.
>>730079601But then whats the point of the game.Theres no danger in the mobs so you just grind loot?So you just autism grind for loot to do what exactly?
>>730079594>I'm such a badass, me and my mix-packed fully-minmaxxed dinos chasing this one retard for an hour! This is so fun!They do it to ruin other people's fun, not to have fun. That's the part you don't get you subhuman lmao.>>730079583>There's nothing underhanded about massively outclassing your opponent and outnumbering them as well
>>730079517Arc Raiders isn't labeled as a pvp game in it's marketing, it's called extraction adventure. So it's entirely possible to play the game, befriend everyone you meet, not die for 10-20 games in a row against other players and just shoot at amazon delivery drones and have fun. Interestingly the best way to stay in chungartha is to simply never shoot other players for any reason including self defense.
>>730031251dark and darker fixed this problemyou create a PvE mode for when you just wanna chill and complete quests, but the loot drops in there are shityou give all the good stuff a much better chance of dropping in the PvP mode
>>730079672>But then whats the point of the game.To get loot, to shoot bigger enemies, to get more loot.What are you, retarded?
>>730079685>They do it to ruin other people's funUhh, Yeah? Obviously. That is why you play The Isle. To be a dinosaur but also to ruin other peoples attempts to be a dinosaur. Why are YOU playing The Isle? Some retard reason I am sure. Like many people in this thread you are a nigger that plays games they don't like then complains about it. BoB/The Isle are cool by the way. If you like full-loot permadeath PvP survival games. Which I do. They would be incredibly boring without the PvP - and you can see that for yourself in the PvE lobbies full of spastics that sit in discord 10 hours a day talking about their mental illnesses (not even joking). Yeah I am part of the group that enjoys making those people squeel. Of course.
>>730079850>Nigger admits they're a niggerWe already knew that, retard.
Or you can go Nigita's way and force people who want "chill" PvE to pay lmao.
>>730079906>load into muder-death-kill 'NiggerZoo2026 Edition' simulator>what's with all these niggers??
>>730076073you know what's crazy and hilariousthis guy does look threatening despite the manboobs, soi glasses, misshapen body and baldagelook at these fucking armshe looks enormous, toounless he's padding or using filters
>>730079994>Plays multiplayer game to get multiplayer variables>Everyone acts like KOS NPC's>Lol why are you guys so upset!?Sorry, too busy playing singleplayer games because at least they're fun. Enjoy your empty lobbies though pvpnigger.
>non-hostile gamingkek, modern times are so fucking gay>oh no don't hurt me in my video game :(
>>730080050Why are you smug about not being the target audience? I don't understand.You discovered a genre isn't for you. Congrats. I'm sorry you're missing out, but I hope you find something that's fun for you.
>>730080076>He's still trying to get players to be his chaffLol
>>730080106I don't want you to play if you're not having fun. I would strongly prefer it if you just played video games that already cater to you instead of trying to change games that cater to everyone else to suit your tastes.It's not for you, and that's okay. Not everything has to be. Things are better when they're not.
>>730080106>tryingthat's enough buddy, you can settle down. It's fine. Nobody is going to stop you from playing your single-player game. You can avoid PvP by doing that for the rest of your life, it's FINE. No judgement. Honestly, it's fine. Relax. There's really no need to get upset like this.
>>730080210Still not playing the games. But it's fun watching you ITT seething.
>>730080251But, I don't want you to play the games. You're making me quite happy by sticking to your lane.
>>730031251That's some pussyfooting around. Extraction shooter but putting carebears with other carebears through a matchmaking algorithm? Just make a pve and pvp mode instead that you choose on character creation so you can't use the pve mode to regear your pvp character.
>>730080453Studies show that lowers player retention.Instead, it's better to force it on players behind the scenes. No one's the wiser and retention is through the roof.You have to remember Embark Studios is founded by ex DICE, EA, and Nexon devs. All three studios build their games around making the player feel as good as possible, and they have dopamine farming down to an art. It's how CoD got popular.
>>730079002>Why must EVERY game ALWAYS cater to PvE players but never the other way around?Damn, the devs took away the PvP mode? That's crazy.
I am level 5, and I don't really know what I even should be building towards. I guess I am just concerned with fulfilling random quests and upgrading my workbenches.
>>730080989Also>Implying that the vast majority of games aren't PVP-fests
>>730081032>Implying that the vast majority of games aren't PVP-festsWhat? An overwhelming majority of video games are PvE. The only two PvP games to be nominated for goty EVER were PUBG and Overwatch, each over a decade ago, just as an example.
>>730081361>A majority of games are PVE>No, I refuse to actually list anyUhh, are you forgetting about CoD? Battlefield? Fortnite? Etc?
>>730033464this truth made the pvp gaymers mad lol
>>730081408>>No, I refuse to actually list anyI listed 66 of them. The GOTY nominees for every year since the award's induction.
Bullying Maduro is funny
>>730035396>i'm an epic hardcore predator for ruining someone's match
>>730081475>I listed them!>...Okay I didn't actually but still!Wut
>>730032091this, its like raiders wanting to attack defenseless towns, not the fortress that governs them.
Ok, but seriously how do PvP players go back to PvE, if they decide it's no longer fun playing again people. who only want to PvP?Doesn't it kind of lock them to PvP?
>>730036935the real best is mixed skill lobbies where you compete with other players to see who can get more noob kills. Remove matchmaking entirely and things only get better.
>>730031251It's exactly the same as skill-based matchmaking, in that they are manipulating the lobbies and probabilities. In this case an argument can be made that they deserve what they get though. But manually stacking the deck with other player killers isn't a very natural environment.
>>730081587>Ok, but seriously how do PvP players go back to PvE, if they decide it's no longer fun playing again people. who only want to PvP?Act like a subhuman, get locked to the subhuman mode.You had a choice to act decent.
>>730081546and yet, people will act like people wanting to actually raid is some insane notion.
>>730031251>Remove the riskThey can just play Minecraft or 7 Days to Die like normal peopleThey simply have to fix the camper problem, which other extraction shooters failed to do. I stopped playing extraction shooters, because it really wasn't stimulating for me and definitely wasn't worth the time investing into it either. Thankfully I didn't get duped into grinding into Arc unlike some Anons apparently.
>>730080453Yeah. My experiences with other nice players would feel cheapened if it turned out it's only because I'm not trigger-happy. I want to feel like people chose to be nice, not just because I'm in a hugbox.
>>730081587it probably resets after a few weeks
>>730081517Did you misread the post you're quoting? The list of games are the nominees for GOTY over the past decade and a half. Every single one of them was a PvE game, barring two.You can just google "goty nominees" to find a list yourself, but I'll do it for you:Clair Obscur: Expedition 33Death Stranding 2: On the BeachDonkey Kong BananzaHades IIHollow Knight: SilksongKingdom Come: Deliverance IIAstro BotBalatroBlack Myth: WukongFinal Fantasy VII: RebirthMetaphor: ReFantazioBaldur’s Gate 3Alan Wake IIThe Legend of Zelda: Tears of the KingdomMarvel’s Spider-Man 2Resident Evil 4Super Mario Bros. WonderA Plague Tale: RequiemGod of War RagnarökHorizon Forbidden WestStrayXenoblade Chronicles 3It Takes TwoDeathloopMetroid DreadPsychonauts 2Ratchet & Clank: Rift ApartResident Evil VillageThe Last of Us Part IIAnimal Crossing: New HorizonsDoom EternalFinal Fantasy VII RemakeGhost of TsushimaHadesSekiro: Shadows Die TwiceControlDeath StrandingResident Evil 2The Outer WorldsGod of WarAssassin’s Creed OdysseyCelesteMarvel’s Spider-ManMonster Hunter: WorldRed Dead Redemption 2The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the WildHorizon Zero DawnPersona 5Super Mario OdysseyDoomInsideTitanfall 2Uncharted 4: A Thief’s EndThe Witcher 3: Wild HuntBloodborneFallout 4Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom PainSuper Mario MakerDragon Age: InquisitionBayonetta 2HearthstoneMiddle-earth: Shadow of MordorAnd again, this is just as an example.An overwhelming majority of video games are PvE.
>>730080540Yeah I know, at EA they call it EOMM which stands for "engagement optimized matchmaking". They used it in Apex legends where they would target a 5% win rate for solo players and it's all documented.I hate it but then again I hate battle royales and extraction shooters. If fucking "battledads" feel good by extracting in arc raiders knowing that "THEY COULD HAVE MAYBE GOTTEN ATTACKED" in a lobby where no one has gotten a single kill in the past 20 games so they can give all their discord and reddit buddies a blowjob because they're "still with it" then so be it.Fuck Embark anyway, the finals was garbage and I didn't even check out arc raiders because of extraction memery.
>>730081738Singleplayer games aren't PVE, they're just singleplayer games.Are you seriously that stupid?
>>730031251It's the same old bait and switch they do with every title now.>Hook you in with something.>You have fun.>Once the refund period is up they start updating it and making the game utter shit.>The goal is to then lower the player base number so they can justify closing the servers.>Massive profit.Its the same shit over and over yet everybody keeps falling for it, I DID TOO!
>>730081810Are you suggesting singleplayer games are PvP?Because the original post said a majority of games were PVP-fests. You can double check the claim here >>730081032
>>730081847Are you suggesting people play singleplayer games to play alongside other players against enemies?
certified sweat here. yeah i've been pretty high rank in most games i've played. mobashit, shooters, top 50 globally in mmorpg PvP arenas. a real power gamer all around. most recently played marvel rivals up to eternity before being stomped by bigger, sweatier and more unemployed players (im wfh so only semi-unemployed)i like SBMM. i like gaining rank and getting harder matches. i like being at the top of my rank and have to sweat for things that were trivial before. and if it were up to me i'd always prefer to be playing games that matched players with their own kind (region, language, playstyle, skill level, the amount they cheat/smurf). sadly most of the people that we need to create these systems on account of are exactly the type to want to subvert them. for some reason when i play marvel rivals, the arabic speakers dont queue on their own server and instead they come on the europe server to scream in arabic. why? who knows. all my theories are somewhat racistanyway like 99% of the people who have an issue with being matched with "their own kind" have the emotional intelligence of a 7-year-old. i don't particularly find it interesting to read their arguments because it's like listening to a 7-year-old try to lie to you about who ate all the cookies. regardless of what their argument is, their motivation is strictly in being allowed to "take it easy" and "stomp noobs", while completely unconcerned what it it's like to be one of the noobs. it's just such a petty and wicked motivation that it makes me sick.i understand some of the allure of a game without SBMM. there was a brief time when i played a niche shooter with no SBMM, so naturally i was usually stomping whatever lobby i was in. i gained a reputation for it and people would talk about me on forums due to my quirky personality and peculiar playstyle. my playstyle was so unique that people started to pick up that it was me even when i played under a different moniker. those were the days.
>>730081869The original post said a majority of games were PvP-fests.I told him he was wrong, then provided proof.A majority of games are not PvP.
Some of the retards on reddit just want it pve and those guys are fucking retarded. The game as a pve game is extremely boring and there is basically 0 threat. The game is only interesting because of the chance of pvp.
>>730060559This is probably the worst cooe in thread. The game is called Arc Raiders. Youre all scavengers. There are no police. What kind of dumb cunt do you have to be to make this false equivalence?I actually want a PvE mode because itll be interesting to see how bored its players get in 2 weeks flat when they realise how easy the game gets when theyre literally just skeet shooting. What the FUCK would you even do in this game after you get your large arc parts for the uogrades and finish ALL of the quests with zero risk?
>>730081914Majority of games with multiple players, retard. Are you dense?
>me and a friend duo queue to farm items for upgrades like mushrooms and bombardiers>get shot at first by other duos, kill them in self defense>3 more groups come to try to 3rd party>kill 8 people on a span of 5 min out of self defenseWe just want to loot and questfag
>>730082041Well yeah, if you move the goalposts, you're correct.But if we go with the original prompt, you're wrong.
>>730082068>Using redditisms on 4chan of all placesOh shit nigga, gonna throw some 'fallacy' accusations too?
>>730031251funny part is this is probably done with good intentions in mind, yet they fail to realize that's like a quadruple 9/11 for a lot of "pvp" enjoyers.the number of people that SOMEHOW fumble killing me after nuking my shield + half my health off the first shots and then cry and bitch when they're the one getting punched in the face is laughable. you lost with advantage, accept it and do better next time. don't see me bitching when they don't fuck it up or I get outplayed in an actual fight.
>>730033509>look at this scrub, not spending half his lifetime optimizing mouse movement and clicking>what? there's a long list of players even better than me? impossible the way to win is to not play
Mentally ill freaks who play games only to grief are a plague. Having thousands of hours in the game minmaxxing just to one shot kill players who are not looking for a fight is griefing.These freaks kill games because they turn every encounter with another player into a backstabbing competition.Games like DayZ were made unplayable because of them. You start the game by having unique interactions with players, you make friends, you have trading, maybe you make a little group and then you run into another group and you end up fighting because there aren't enough resources for two groups. And then the game just devolves into shoot on sight, turn your mic off, never interact with another player. Worse is when they make discord servers and have a group of tryhards who only communicate with their own people on discord. That's how you get Arc.At the end of the day these aggressive tryhard griefers needs a steady supply of new players to burn through, eventually they run out and the game is just other tryhards trying to kill eachother, and then they stop playing too because it's not fun fighting people who you can't dunk on easily.When they have new players to spawn kill it's all ''git good lol git good noob'' but when the other players left on the game are discord troons like them, it's not so fun anymore. Now you have enemies who attack only in coordinated flash mobs when your players are sleeping, abusing bugs breaking the game, someone spawning too many physics objects to crash the game while having players ready to log in and use the time window when everyone else is offline etc. Now it's not so fun, now it's no longer ''git good,'' now it's ''let's find another game that has players that we can dunk on''
If you're not having fun playing a game when you're losing, then you don't actually like the game, you just like winning.
>>730081495>ruining someones match>shooting at them in a PvP environmentIm having a tough time underatanding how online gaming got so bitchmade that you put some AI enemies on a map and a significant percentage of the playerbase chimps out that other players are shooting at them. I dont think this has happened with any other extraction shooter on the market. What is it about ARC that has so many peoole crying about getting shot in a videogame and labeling the real human players as unreasonable for wanting to shoot in a shooter?
>>730082178There's different types of losing, and losing having varying penalties also affects how much fun people have.A tantrum spiral in Dwarf Fortress is hilarious and a fun way to lose.Being shot in the back of the head when picking up some loot, making you lose potentially ten hours of progress isn't fun.
>>730081648Aggression and skill are two different unrelated things. Someone just randomly killing people shooting them in the back of the head isn't more skilled thana good player who just wants to chill and build a community.
>>730082240You should probably reread my entire post because you aren't arguing against what I said.
>PVE players predict that PVPfags will throw a bitchfit over OP's information>PVPfags then proclaim that it's actually PVE player's fault and seethe for about 300 postsLol
>>730082240If they hit the shot and defeat the opponent then they inherently are the more skilled player, what the fuck are you doing trying to "build a community"? Genuinely, what the fuck are you talking about.
>>730082381>I won in a rigged battle, I'm so skilledNigger, if you're playing Chess and you move the Queen before the other player has their pieces on the board, you're not more skilled.
>>730082096>yet they fail to realize that's like a quadruple 9/11 for a lot of "pvp" enjoyersbased on how a lot of PvP focused MMOs and other games of that ilk go, "the PvP community" is like an active playerbase eroding factor in every game where they're allowed to be their own thingit's a shame because i really like sandbox MMOs with PvP, it's just that they literally do not work in principle. the ONLY game where i've seen it somewhat work was 1 that was one where the top PvP old guard figured out that they themselves had to curate the rest of the playerbase to ensure the survival of the game. as in, if you didn't play by the accepted honor system, and you griefed people a bit too hard, then the top PvP sweats would come and quite literally grief you off the game. they'd raid every single apartment you had and destroy all your gear repeatedly until you quit the game. the average griefer would usually be nipped in the bud before they could attain a skill level to put up a fight to the top PvP sweats who had like a decade's worth of experience griefing.the PvP sweats would also PvP themselves, but mostly between each other for the fun of it. they'd occasionally kill newbies too, but they had a strict honor system where they would limit themselves and always sell people their gear back at a massive discount (kinda like catching fish and putting it back in the water). they would roleplay robberies and extortion much more than the actual PvP shit because they knew too much PvP would kill the game.god bless hellmoo
>>730082381Kill yourself autistic tranny freak
>>730082315WHAT IS A PVE PLAYER? The ENTIRE game revolves around collecting parts from PvE. The PVPfags you so desperately despise need the exact same parts as you, the issue is youre too much of a bitch to want to fight for them. The fuck are you going to do in your PvE lobby when you take down a Bastion with 6 people and there are two cores? Just get cucked over and over and over again until you find one first? The game will have zero challenge when the entire lobby is running Hullcracker IVs with Heavy Shields and nobody can die because everyone is shooting at the only availabke targets.I SEE the enjoyment people have in PvE and its fine to enjoy that asoect only but you are a FUCKING retard if you dont see where that leaves the game eventually
>>730082508Not him but how is it rigged?It's not like the PvP player is hacking into your game. You knew he was there, you knew he was equipped, and you queued in anyways. You're in his house and surprised?
Notice how you get way less PVP nonsense and griefers in games where you can't lose progress?Almost like it's less about PvP and more about griefing players.
>>730082590Unless retards like (you), the person getting shot isn't using ESP and thus didn't see your KOS'ing ass through the walls.
>>730082508This isnt chess. You went into the match knowing there were enemies.>>730082527Youre mentally ill and more autistic than anyone in the thread. I dont even need to tell you to kill yourself because your chimpouts will kill you at 40. Or your mother will
>>730082592Can you even name a PvPvE game without progress loss?
>>730082560Tranny freak losing his mind>you don't want to play with mentally ill freak like me?????>THEN WHAT HAPPENS IF THERE IS CONFLICT NATURALLY HAPPENING IN THE GAME????Then people will just fight over the resources while you go play on your griefer server and get spawn killed over and overKill yourself, troon
>>730082635Again, he didn't hack into the game. He spawned in, exactly like you did. He's playing by the same rules you are. And you knew all this. Hell, the fact that someone could be around any corner or behind any bush is the entire point of the genre.So why did you let your guard down when you knew he was there?
>>730082650The vast majority of MMO's?
>>730082691He's playing by the same rules as you, but he's using them differently. The game isn't fun when every player just becomes a murderhobo and there's no actual player interaction aside from PVP-fests.
>>730082691Mentally ill freak having a meltdown
>>730031251i don’t even play this slop but in pvevp games, segregating players defeats the entire premise of the game and makes interactions for both types of players more boring and unengaging. if you don’t want to get fucked with in a game designed around it, then maybe you’re playing the wrong game?
>>730082808>I don't play this>here is my opinion anyway
>>730082664Youre losing it. Pretty much fully gone>WHAT DONT YOU GET YOU TRANNY, ALL PVP IS GRIEFING, THE SOLUTION IS TO LET PEOPLE PVP OVER RESOURCES WHILE THE PVPERS FIGHT EACH OTHERliterally what the fuck are you babbling about you schizo. Two players meeting ADS with guns out in Control Tower isnt griefing. The fuck is the point of them both being in a game together if all they can do is say hi and loot quicker than the other person because they wont kill each other.Thats my main question my little chimpanzee friend. Why are you playing a game like this instead of a PvE server on DayZ
>>730082808idiot has an opinionnoun: a stupid person
>>730082870I play the genre, I just don’t play this particular fotm sloppa
>>730082907>WHAT DONT YOU GET YOU TRANNY, ALL PVP IS GRIEFINGTranny pedophile losing his mindNo one is against pvp, they just don't like you, the pedophile discord tranny.People like PvP. They don't like playing with (You), a mentally ill freak who got bullied in school so he targets unarmed players who just logged on for the first time.
>>730035396this. I prefer PVP-heavy matches where everyone shoots on sight.getting into a "peaceful" match with your best gear only to be ganked by a seemingly friendly group when your back is turned is way worse.
>>730082697What? How many MMOs have open PvP and also don't have players actually using it?I mean, even when the game bugs out and enables open PvP, the very first thing that happens is murder. Like the Fallador Massacre, as an example.
>>730082592the entire premise of introducing other players is to up the stakes, retard. because a bot can never hope to be as dangerous as another player.
>>730031251does it differentiate between solo, duos, and trios? I feel like in trios you're always gonna pvp, but sometimes I just wanna relax and kill arcs in solo....
If I want PvP I play PvP games where it is understood that we're all there to kill each other. This PvPvE shit is lame. There's too much of an advantage to KoS play. You've got nothing to gain and everything to lose by attempting cooperation and PvE because, at any time, usually when you're at your most vulnerable, the other players can and will kill you and erase hours of work. Same reason why I never trucked with battle royale games. It's all just busy work and preamble before you get into a fight which 9/10 times is instigated by some camping sweat. Just get rid of the preamble, give us all guns and have us go at it. Don't make me run around gearing up for 20 mins just so some honorless scrub can pop my head off from his bushy ambush spot.
I love betraying people. This has made it a lot easier and I spend my time figuring out if they are worth killing or not. People who let their guard down in safe servers are the best and I honestly hope it doesn't pick up. I have killed people who have been on loot paths because they were doing what I was about to do. I let them do all the work then finish them off. These one off kills before extraction. so free it is bliss.
>>730083328to add I also kill large groups because I am bring lures with me near the end of large arc fights. nothing quite like terrorizing an entire server. then playing sneaky in sweaty matches till i am back in.
Gankers are a cancer on gaming, only beaten out by outright cheaters and hackers.Imagine being so pathetic that instead of wanting a challenge on an equal footing you just want to catch someone alone or off guard and score an easy kill.
>>730082159Stopped playing DayZ for this reason because again, KoS players have all the advantage and erase hours of your time for fun. I was on a really good server which had a large and active PvE playerbase with factions and trading and it was great... Except for the 'bandit' faction that basically spent all day laying in wait to ambush literally anyone who came by and then posting 'epic kill' montages to the discord like they were pro gamers. So I spend hours scavenging, carefully negotiating the terrain and zombies, get a semi-decent loadout and then some fucking sweat, in a ghillie suit, sitting in a bush can one tap snipe me at 600m with zero risk to themselves. No thank you.
>>730083314The solution should be teams. You see someone on team blue, they can't hurt you and you can't hurt them, cooperate. You see someone on team red, that's an enemy and will kill you if you aren't careful.PvP niggers thrive on the ambiguity. They already know they will kill you on sight while you are still guessing if this guy is friendly or not. You'll be dead before you figure out that this guy wants to kill you.PvP niggers have made teamless MMOs not possible. The only way to stop them from killing unarmed AFK players with no loot to steal is by hard coding it in the game that they can't kill them.
>>730031251This is bad, because it will create a situation, where players deliberately play badly (refuse to fight back, just let aggressive players kill them over and over, etc) in the hopes they will be eventually matched only with other passive players. But no one knows if this actually works that way and you shouldn't have to live that way.
>>730083561Those kind of bandit groups are fine if htey are the absolute minority. If there are only like 5 guys on the server doing it they become the villains of the server and you can run counter groups to kill them.The problem is when this behavior becomes widespread and it becomes impossible to play the game in any way other than kill on sight.
>>730031251Killing noobs is funWhats wrong with that?
>>730083561your mistake is thinking there is no risk to the sweat. it’s a two way street and a game of paranoia. you feel like you’re being watched just coming out of a random tree line and for the scope and scale of the game there isn’t really anything else like that. you literally signed up knowing you could scavenge for hours and then die before even hearing the shot that killed you. that’s what makes it tense
What's wrong with kill on sight
>>730033763>>730036935>it's boring when i have to compete, i just want to win!!!I know what you are.
>>730083818it’s boring when there is nothing but sweaty faggots and it’s boring when there are nothing but lambs
Extraction shooters are fun because they test your survival skills beyond just clicking heads. Smart players that know how to sneakily traverse the map, that know how to keep a low-profile, and are keenly aware of their surroundings at all times are rewarded despite perhaps not being the best aimers. What this means is that sometimes the Shroud of the lobby is bested by the guy RPing as Sam Fisher. What I'm basically saying is. If you complain about extraction games being nothing but gank-fests, it's because you're refusing to engage with the game fully (moving slowly, cautiously, and stating aware) and setting yourself up for failure. It's like if a CS player decided to never check corners and started complaining about how the game is just a constant episode of getting shot in the back. Adapt. Learn the skills the game is encouraging you to use.
But I don't want to gank retards. I want to gank and beat kitted players.
>>730047514Why do red men whine so much about people crying about them if that's literally the thing they're trying to get out of people?
>>730083501all these efforts don't stop the sickest of us. in fact this genre can't escape it. Just because i kill you doesn't mean i am your best friend next time we bump into each other. it is high level enjoyment.
>>730083561The worst ones on Dayz are the ones who camp at the coast and kill new spawns. What are you going to gain, except two bandages, a glowstick, and a plum?Someone did it to me once and I was so pissed off I went looking for them. Took a while and I still wasn't even that geared. I had no armor, limited supplies, and like a Sporter 22. We ended up bumping into each other, but I panicked and took cover in a house and he started firing. There was a huge amount of infected that I think he had already attracted and I watched him try (and fail) to get into a building. They ended up knocking him unconscious. I killed the infected and then gave him a headshot just to make sure.You should have seen what he had. It was a complete loadout. M4-A1 with tons of ammo, a KA with tons of ammo, A VSD with tons of ammo, plate carrier, ballistic helmet, and NVGs.All so he could sit on the beach and shoot people who were unarmed. It was embarrassing.
>>730083818Yes I want to win and have fun by killing noobs (you). I'm not trying to become a pro esports player.
>>730084003Not beating the chink allegations, that's for sure.
>>730083962What you're describing sounds incredibly fun, though. You hunted down a better player and used the PvE to outplay them, then were rewarded heavily for it.Why wouldn't you want more gameplay like that? It sounds great.
>>730031251I feel like if everyone in the lobby is a pvper, then you might as well be playing a BR
>>730077602get segregated nerd
>>730084123Which is why you need the PvE to actually be worth it, because otherwise it's just deathmatch.A lot of PvPvE games get this wrong. Sea of Thieves has zero progression (PvE is just for cosmetics) so there was little reason to play other than the PvP.Dark and Darker had trash loot on the entire first floor, so there was zero reason to engage with the PvE.You always want PvE to have insane highroll drops so people actually have incentive to loot and extract without dying.
>>730082210Nta, but honestly i just "got it", sure being friendly and helping raiders here and there is fun, but even the biggest arcs become easy to deal with, and at the end of they day you are just looking for shit in garbage cans while occasionally destroying trash arcs, shit's basically a job. PvP is the way to go, actually being careful when you scavenge because you might give away your position with all the noise, putting mines to ambush players trying to sneak from behind, turtling up when waiting for an extraction, actually risking losing all your loot, etc.
>>730083719The problem is that in a lot of these games there is no risk to the ganker. PvE needs a more advanced kit and that kit is almost useless against other players, PvP can just spawn in and click heads. The default weapons are as good as any other at PvP since players die so much faster than NPC's. If the player does defend themselves, they get no reward and whoever took a shot at them gets another shot 3 minutes later since they respawn with all the gear they need.
>>730076428I used to play EVE for some 2k hours, it had a lot of the familiar problems from this thread. If you want to do actually lucrative PVE you have to have an expensive setup, which is helpless against a PVP setup that costs 5% of the price. Even in the NPC policed space you could get instantly ganked, it didn't matter if they needed 10 ships to do it, they'd still make the money back after being blown up by the NPC cops. The game has a ton of cool ships you can never really fly for more than 10 minutes until you start attracting an audience. Fighting back is pointless because you gain nothing from it. Either you die instantly or warp out and they just move on to the next guy.
>>730084097So true if not for that guy pvping anon has no story. The game is just him walking around a barren map collecting bullshit to use on no one / nothing. My only issue with PvP in this game is I fucking suck at it. The PvE is good casual fun but PvP is so meta'd already unless you're taking it seriously youre just gonna get raped. So you have this issue where if you're geared for looting, you're helpless to someone geared for combat. I think the best solution is to balance loot better. As it stands right now your only shot at getting anything purple is to get very lucky in a friendly server or take it off someone PvP. And good luck doing that if you have trash gear which you likely do it you're a PvE anon
This game confuses me>PvE is so easy and repetitive it borders on Vampire Survivors-tier breaindead>PvP is just a waste of time and resources since 99% of times you'll just shoot people who don't even want to fight in the first place, and chances are you won't even get good loot out of it>Basic starter weapons are more or less on par with high tier weapons so there's little to no incentive to bring anything more powerful than a Kettle and a ferro (or an anvil if you feel extra gamer)
>>730084342I don’t know about arc, but in dayz a kitted player hanging around in the south has everything to lose and nothing to gain and the retard that just spawned has nothing to lose and everything to gain, so I don’t see a problem even if they have the advantage. I used to have fruitful team ups that only happened because of the faggot sniper in the hills on elektro. it really only becomes a problem when you have large swaths of those types of players and they’re grouping up into a large team to dominate the entire server
>>730084385Also if you decide to go for PVP yourself you'll find most EVE PVP players are the most loss averse wimps on earth, you spend hours on fleet roams where nothing happens because opponents run away from you because they don't over twice your numbers or your FC orders you to run from them for the same reason. Or you hang out on gates to catch unsuspecting PVE'ers who can't fight back. The only fun time I had was in Red vs. Blue which was a purely player made permanent battle arena where people who actually wanted cool and fun fights duked it out, and it was widely reviled by the "real" PVP players.
>>730081902Most based and correct post in this thread and that's also why it got ignored.
>>730084845It's just a faggot saying what 50 other posters already said but bragging about how skilled of a gaymer they/them is.Stop samefagging.
>>730084764I guess that's the difference between the basebuilding games like DayZ and Rust where you spawn naked with a rock, and the more arcadey games that go>Oh, looks like you died, here's an assault rifle and some healing supplies, go and get back into the action.
>>730085056I predicted this response.No one can agree with anyone else on 4chan without being accused of samefagging lol.
>>730083719Well as for that particular DayZ server there was no risk for the sweats. They killed and looted far more than they were killed themselves and so had a massive stockpile of good loot. If, on the rare occasion, they got one upped and killed, they'd just beeline for their stash and be up and running with a full loadout in an hour tops.The only recourse we, as friendly factions, had was to locate their base and attack it. One of the highlights of my time there was several cooperative groups finding the main bandit stronghold and assaulting it, utterly demolishing it and taking everything they had. It was a momentary victory and not enough to mitigate the absolute bum that is getting bushwhacked by cowardly zero risk bandit players. They were back up and running within days.It doesn't work at it's core because there are no real repercussions for banditry in game. In RL, being a known bandit would mean KoS from other factions, being banned/exiled from society and the services of traders/doctors , being actively hunted and wiped out for bounties etc... And obviously permadeath. In games it has little to no downside.I see a player, I have to reposition, sit and watch to try and guage whether he's likely to try and kill me and then potentially negotiate a shaky truce that may lead to true cooperation but potentially death and the loss of all my hard won gear. When the bandit sees a player, from his densely sheltered camping spot, littered with wank tissues and empty monster cans, he just clicks on his head, waits for the dust to settle and then goes and gets his swag relatively risk free. It's inherently unbalanced. It is what it is I guess. What annoys me is the Pvpers thinking they're hot shit for 'pwning' players with massive advantage. Like those bandits who thought they were this elite death squad lurking out in the woods, skillfully taking out other players... When really they were overlooted fags picking on the unaware.
>>730085380No one would think some guy is cool for stating the obvious for 5% of the post and spending the 95% of the rest of the post bragging about how he is some expert gamer and a big deal.
>>730082870That's literally the entirety of /v/.
>>730085272im talking about pre-base building dayz, but yeah, it is different when you spawn in with a rag and a glowstick instead of a rifle, or at least in the case of tarkov; the rifle is something that comes from your personal stash
>>730084845it makes perfect sense when you understand that most of the people on the opposing side of the argument are just throwing a tantrum and not really reading what other people are writing>>730085056i bragged because it anchors the post against a deluge of "ur just a noob" retorts and because i know it makes the noobstomper personality type insecure and upset. they know they'll never be like us real sweats. they don't even know how to properly have ego like we do, because they know the same braggadocio will ring hollow coming from them
>>730085463I did so you're wrong.
>>730031251Sounds good to me. I don't like PvE so the extra matchmaking to other players who shoot on sight is welcome.
>>730083674>play persistent bannerlord>bandits just run up to you and demand all your armor, denars and weapons>they only do it with actual advantage >try to play with clans to minimse that>they raid your base with 30+ people where you only have 5 other at the castle>trying to hunt them is just worthless
>>730085436the problem sounds less about the bandits and more about the player organization of systems and factions and stacking up teams. if the bandits were relegated to groups of 4 players max, you wouldn’t be having any of those problems. when you have sessions that persist over days to months with people building up factions/bases/reputations you introduce all kinds of problems
>>730031251I'm not buying it until they add a pure PvE mode. The whole PvPvE thing always turns into stomping and griefing, it just isn't worth my time and energy.
How doable is the queen with a team of 3?
>>730082527>wants to build his discord community in the game>calls others trannieslmoa
>>730082741>becomes a murderhobowrong, it's actually fun, unlike "everyone is friendly", you are so retarded you actually missing the point lmao, that murderhobo is a variable that makes those games great, you don't know what you are getting and you know that.
>>730079114>bad faith is when anyone disagrees with meNigger
>>730081902As a semi-good FPS player I can confirm this mindset. Whenever I kill a player in game who obviously is low skill I get 0 dopamine hit. Its like a pro boxer nocking a bystander , only a low sentience "person" would feel accomplished by this.Shitters bullying even less skilled players feel accomplished because they cannot otherwise, incapable of high-level plays.Slaying lambs is 100% a certified shitter characteristic.
Extraction Shooters is just a shit genre, i dont know how this trash got popular, PVP part sucks and PVE is barebones garbage
>>730087458you don't do it for your own sense of accomplishment, you do it for your victims' sense of misery.like pulling legs off an insect.
>>730031251based actually, PvP Kids ruined gaming
The only people who hate SBMM are shitters who want to be a big fish in a small pond.
>>730079002Good faith reply:Because mentally ill unhinged freaks like you ruin it for everyone. You engage in one sided PvP that isn't fun for anyone involved, even yourself. Playing with you is so bad that the majority of players come to the conclusion that pvp isn't fun and should be removed. For the average player it's more fun to grind mindless NPCs and collect rocks than it is to play with you. And you'll never get the message because you have terminal autism.You are the autistic kid in the playground who throws poop everywhere and kicks everyone's sand castle, and then you sit there alone in your own shit going ''heh, guess other kids hate playgrounds''
>>730087458This, it feels good when you get a full squad of sweats, or kill 2 out of 3 and then die, get fucked you cunts. When I kill some obvious noob, all I think is it had to be done, hope he won't drop the game kekSometimes you get crybaby semi-new players, that start name-calling you for killing their friend, now this feels good when you kill the cunt.
You can tell most of this thread is one "mentally ill freak" samefagging and seething lol
>>730087715They're the kids at the beach who kick down other kid's sandcastles, then wonders why the next morning all the kids are in their own back yards making less-fun but ultimately HAVING sandcastles.
>>730087809t. mentally ill freak aka samefagger PvPtroon
>>730087646Literally, there is no PVPVE game in existence when the specific PVPfags aren't the most insufferable faggots imaginable. Nobody likes PVP autists. Not even PVP autists. Heck especially PVP autists.
>>730087860Give it a rest lil bro, you've been seething about imaginary PvPtroons for hours, are all PvE players so deranged?
>>730087992You do realize when you play the tribalism game while pretending to be some neutral third party it never works because only people who see themselves in a tribe are tribalistic? You're literally just admitting that he's right.
>>730088046I'm not a neutral party, I'm pro PvP, but I don't care if someone wants to play exclusively PvE, his seething is just funny
>>730087605you make a very good argument in the context of the thread, why wouldn't we want to cater to a small number of emotionally stunted psychos instead of the overwhelming majority of normal people?
>>730088118>I Hate Weeds, Weed Haters are Worse.jpg
>>730088118>you've been seething about imaginary PVPtroons for hours>why yes I'm a PVPtroon how could you tellOk, this is about the level of retardation I'd expect from a PVP autist.
>>730088162but I said I don't hate anybody lil bro, work on your reading comprehension.>>730088167You are the one making up stories about how PvPtroons are "seething", while seething here for hours. I just like looting and shoot shit, especially winning against sweats, it doesn't bring me pleasure killing low skills like you, other than for an annoying quest, so you can relax
>>730088275>Lol the PVPfags are in your head anon, you're delusional, the real issue is PVE people>Why yes I do like PVP!
PvPtroon having a meltie fr fr
>>730088275>I'm not seething about PVE players>proceeds to seethe about PVE playersTake your meds, dumb schizo.
>PvPtroon having a meltdown because he isn't allowed to spawncamp and destroy AFK players who have nothing to defend themselves with>PvPtroon seethes that he is getting ganked on 4chan and outposted by superior posterskwab what a bitch
>>730088490>TFW pvpfags seethe when ganked after bragging about ganking
>>730087458yeah i actively dislike PvPing in certain games if i feel like i'm just stomping noobs. it feels unfair and likely degrades the quality of the playerbase. i like invading in souls games but i mostly just goof around if i get into an lobby with new players. i mean look at the player in webm related, how can you look at a player like that and feel good about killing them?
>>730088618The most fun PVP in souls games was DS1 where it was unbalanced as shit.
Sorry PvE bros, I'm just busy actually playing games instead of mindlessly seething about non-existent problems ;^)
>>730088740>I know I'll put a smiley face that'll show that I'm not mad as shitKWAB what a KWAB
mentally ill KWABtroon bitch PVPnigger losing his mind
>>730031251They should add rape too since you don't kill other raiders, just knock them out
