Member when /v/irgins were excited for this game?HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>730067567before it released I knew it would be disappointing, no new areas or monsters in the adverts could clue you in and yet I boughted anyways
>>730067567Boo hoo nigga, sorry for having dreams about playing a better game than the previous interaction that had high expectations. >Dreaming of actually enjoying a video game instead of shitposting and being angryThat'll teach me to have hope!
>>730067839>hoping a modern capcom game will be goodlet's hope the moon will fall out of the sky next
>>730067839dozens of jap salarymen were able to afford more pedo porn because of your naivety
How embarrassing, one of the most cringe moments for /v/ for sure.
>Fell for it again awardThese retards deserved to get grifted honestly.
Any day now...
>>730067567We had reasons to be hyped, but Capcom and Itsuno failed to deliver to the hype.Its not on us, its on them.
>>730071404>Finish up less than half of the planned content>Yup, time to release this baby >It also has extremely poor optimization
>>730071496I bought the game because I was bored but my hyped was at level 0 because it was very obvious they fucked it up.We warned you but you did not listen...
>>730067698
I have 500 hours in dd:daI never bothered with dd2Capcom can suck my assI did buy wilds though god I hate crapcom so much
>>730071404They really should have made each and every vocation its own color entirely, for 2. Would have at least helped kept expectations more in check in comparison. The mixed colors, was not to their benefit.
>>730071404Was that a teaser of the planned classes? Damn, and only mystic spearhand ended up feeling fun to play too
>CAPCOM has been the champion of disappointing diehard fans for the last 20 years What a life
why don't a bunch of people fix it for free like skyrim?
>>730071404what even is the thought process that makes them color it green instead of red and yellow
>>730071854It's still sitting behind Denuvo. What we have pirated is a debug version
>>730067567It's so fucking funny man, never getting more satisfaction after they meme'd me into buying the first one.>>730067839HAHAHAHAHA cope dragontranny, you lost and will never recover>>730071496>We had reasons to be hypedLMFAAAAAAAAAAAAOOOOO
>>730067567There was no way it could be bad. The auteur Itsuno being allowed to realize his TRUE UNHINDERED VISION. What went so, so wrong?
>>730071949Needed more time in the oven. A lot more time. What they shipped is passable and nothing more, but for people who played the first game, passable isn’t nearly enough.
Am I playing this game wrong, or is there a lot of walking back and forth? The stones are expensive.
>>730071747they told us how many classes there were
>>730071404When I first played and realised Capcom tricked us with all those colours killed what little trust I had in modern games. I wanted to hope and cope, but what we ended up getting was the worst betrayal.I literally have no desire to play a game on launch ever again. Thank God I had the foresight to not be baited by KCD2, every game dev is a lying jew in spirit.
>>730071902They split yellow classes into bow and dagger classes, so daggers had to be given their own color
>Crapcom uses dogma balls 2 as a test engine for monster hunter wilds>Monster hunter wilds releases with shit performance and they will never fix it2 birds 1 stone of disappointment.
Not rent-free btw
>>730073409I wonder what the hell went wrong at Capcom with both games. I think some of us were speculating that they halted DD2's development for the upcoming real money maker MH but that game seemingly turned out even worse. Does the company just no longer care about quality? Maybe they're just going through the same western investor phase as western AAAs went through, where they just get pressured into making unfinished woke trash because it will make money either way.
>>730073409>Monster hunter wilds winds up worse than DD2I'm pissed. Two potentially great games fumbled. No wonder Itsuno fucked off.
>>730073763i don't know anymore, Crapcom no longer cares, that RE engine was a mistake
Why did they have to downgrade the Gear system? Having two layers for torso and legs was amazing
>>730073998I don't think the RE engine was a mistake, I think they're using it for what it's weakest at (open world stuff).DMC5 looked great except they fumbled that with muted colors+face scanning.DD2 had poor performance in the city.Monhun Wilds is made by actual streetshitters who replace artistic talent, ingenuity and logic with pushing the engine. You can't fucking render and load every single bit of fauna and plant in the entire map at once and expect that to work out.It was clearly designed by amateurs, hence why the right of the screen is a constant waterfall of updates about when Congalala shits in the woods. I don't fucking care about dung upsurges.
>>730074132>DMC5 looked greatThe game was ugly as shit and played poorly with inferior animations compared to 4.>DD2 had poor performance in the city.The worst performing areas are in random wilderness areas.
>>730067567>haha it's so funny when people commit suicide
>>730071642
>>730067567I liked it and thought it was a very good unfinished game.
>>730074393Do crapcom fans even exist anymore?
I thought it was a good game. Put 200 hours into it. Fun single player action adventure RPG. Sexy girls, epic fights. I want to replay it eventually, just don't know when.
>>730073409>Refuse to play Wilds are they obviously sacrificed DD2>Turns out Wilds is shit anyway.Least there was a silver lining. As long as Portable 6 is good everything will be ok. Surely they can't fuck that up.
>>730076656Amazed you can remember a single character from DD2. I couldn't name a single one yet still remember most of DDDA's cast despite not touching it for years.
>>730073409>Release DD2 with shit performance>Bombs harder than the US bombed hiroshima >A few months before MHWilds release>Releases demo of MHWilds and its absolutely unplayable>Proceed to release the full game with zero attempt to rectify performance issues>Bombs harder than hiroshima and nagasaki combined???????Is capcom's videogame division just a money laundering front for konami's pachinko division? They had to have known this would happen. Which means the only explanation is that they simply didn't care.
this game is monster hunter for people who are too bad to play monster hunteralso runs like absolute dogshit and somehow has a far, far worse toon creator than wilds even though they both have the same engine. I guess dragon's dogshit just has ugliness built into its art style and world building.
>>730077890DD2 and Wilds sold well
>>730079508I didn't say they didn't. I said they bombed. Reception was garbage, the games were hated. MHwilds universally and only the very dedicated contrarians on /v/ claimed DD2 was better than DD1. They tricked a lot of people into preorders but they're never going to be able to release a monster hunter again. Even the rubes aren't going to fall for it.
>>730077724>muh charactersI don't care. Go watch Netflix.
rate my opinions. How did they fuck up archer so bad?
>>730082681Swap Magick Archer and regular Archer and it'd be an alright list.
>>730067567What's there to laugh about? I had a blast playing it
>>730067567it didn't live up to the hype, but it was still funwhy is modern /v/ so faggy?>>730082681what >>730082759 said
did they ever make pawns expressive like in DDDA?
>>730072147they were huffing their own farts designing the travel system for this game. >the ox carts requiring repeated loading screens for every use, getting attacked almost every single time, and being so easy to destroy yourself if you're playing certain jobs>no infinite ferrystone>ferrystones being ridiculously expensive, and every NPC only holding one at a time>never reaching a point where ferrystones are cheap and plentiful even going into NG+ where you're guaranteed to be retreading the same content>the entire camping mechanic>having to pay real fucking money to get an extra port crystalGetting somewhere originally should be a chaotic and fun adventure. Returning there should be simple. This is the entire premise for portcrystals as a mechanic yet the way they are used in DD2 is abysmal
The fight against the two minotaur in the rain at night was pure kino and no one can take that from me.
It was a fun game. All my problems I have with it are exact replicas of the problems I have with the original game, mainly the shit performance and absurd lack of difficulty even well into the post-game. I don't even mind easy games but these games feel like they are made for toddlers.
DD2 has some pretty low lows but god DAMN did they nail absolutely everything related to the sphinx.
>>730083250what is riddle of rumination
>>730083326The dumbest possible quest in the game, which is saying something.
>>730082681Put magick archer in the bottom right, and archer in bottom middle.
>>730082880>>730082759Why? Isn't Magic Archer meant to be Capcom's favourite child?
>>730083048>no infinite ferrystonehow to spot a DDA babby, it's literally a non issue in DD2 when they throw so many ferrystones at you from simply exploring the world and they're dirt cheap in stores. Won't even bother reading the rest.
>>730083473its fucking boring
>>730067567>companies are fuckin us over more and more for shittier, less effort games including the ones you play right nowHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>730071747Yeah, I agree
>>730083473Magick Archer in 2 is playing with aimbot and godmode on. It's so grossly overpowered that it makes the game considerably worse.
>>730067567Has Crapcom commented when they are going to fix the game?
>>730083326skill issue
>>730083473>Archer, but with auto aim and no skills that require physical ammo>Also it has one of the most broken offensive skills in the gameMagick Archer is very powerful, but that doesn't necessarily make it fun to play.
What pisses me off is there is so much potential buried within.There are absolutely kino moments like fighting monsters, and some of the exploration is really cool.But its so fucking barebones. It's like the vidya equivalent of seeing shitty middle age huts built on magnificent roman ruins. A really solid foundation, and total shortfall thereafter.
Is there any dlc like BB planned?
>>730071264I made that image
>>730083723no
Be happy that you existed in that moment..
Still bought it and had fun though
>>730083475it's literally one of the most expensive in stores, stores never stock more than one at a time, and they're barely dropped by enemies until the postgame, what fucking game are you playing? Were you playing on the easy mode which reduces the price?
>>730073763>Le Realistc Physics game>Everything moves like it's on the fucking moonThis shit will always make me mad.
I should replay the first one, it's been many years. Shame about the sequel.
>>730083871It has some interesting ragdolling but the physics suck.
>>730083871>realistic physics>fall for 3 feet and land on face the way DD2 handled falling and fall damage should be a crime punishable by jail time
>>730083946Any game that markets 'realistic physics' is a major red flag. It's always the same shit.
>>730067567yeah the furry was a clear indicator it was going to be shit. but it was actually the performance, kind o crazy
>>730083951Fall states aren't part of physics simulations, but yeah that was AIDS too.
>never say neve-AAAAAAAAAACK!
I find it very funny to think that beastren existed in DD1 but we just never saw anyIt's a bit like how nu mou or bangaa theoretically exist in the setting of FFT but we simply never see any there either.
>>730083946Having an actual physics system makes the combat way better than the first game.
>>730083951>step on slight angle>start sliding down like it's ice>stand on flying monster flailing around>maintain perfect balance
This attitude that you should always assume every new game will be trash is pointless. The yahtzee comic isn't how it actually works. You just rob yourself of your ability to feel joy.
>>730084142you're funny
>small enemy>it's goblins or harpies>big enemy>it's an ogrethere's actually good enemy variety in the game but they totally blunder the overworld enemies so bad sisters
>>730084223Having the opposite attitude doesn't make the games any better, you're just ignoring patterns.
I was excited to have a blasthad a blastblast blast
>>730084263Nah, I'm just know combat systems.
>be me>excited for DD2 like no game before>make tons of webms with pre-release material>spend months hyping up the game with my DD bros>making memes with George and Max>discussing possible new vocations>wonder what the devs had hidden in store for us>game comes out>it's easy as fuck>weapon impacts feel worse than DD1>not a single proper dungeon in sight>no surprises left in store, all the cool shit was shown in the trailers>main quest sucks>biggest vidya disappointment in my life>mfwhaven't been hyped for a new release ever since
>>730084543>weapon impacts feel worse than DD1Fuck no, if there's something DD2 got right was making every swing feel meaty as fuck.
>>730084150Unrelated to physics, but it's bullshit that bosses just ignore you 90% of the time the moment you're on their back and it doesn't even have a stamina penalty now.
>>730084616not for the fighter vocation, a lot of the hitstop is missing for some reason
Why no Mystic Knight?
>>730071642>>730075042kek
>>730067567I liked it, I would play more of they made it. Thats the problem though isnt it, the expectation that it would be more.Noone who wanted a DD sequel wanted less classes and the removal of BBI like content with less character customization options. Why was there so few armours and nothing like a color pallete swapper or something, and no NG+ content and difficulties, again. Its the most 7/10 I can recall. Again, id play more if they made it, but as it is its just one of those games you play, enjoy, then never think about again, this is not what DD1 was for people at all.
>>730084543>make tons of webms with pre-release materialI feel your pain.
>>730067567Don't care still had a blast
>>730083250she's actually so fucking pretty i love her eyes, spots and smile
>>730084894lowkey same unc
What broke /v/ more, Metal Gear Solid 5, or Dragons Dogma 2?
>>730084926DD2 since more than a couple people liked MGSV, shit as it was.
>>730084823damn...>dismiss Max deadwe had some fun at least>>730084880hey I had fun too, but the game could and should have been way better
>>730084926Only one of those is a sequel to a game.
>>730084926MGSV by a landslide. DD2 at least has content in it's world. TPP was so much of a mess /v/ deluded itself into thinking it was all part of a big master plan because daddy Kojimbles can do no wrong
The lack of enemy variety killed it so hard for me. I put some mods in it including an enemy randomizer but the fact that it's always griffins, chimeras and fucking goddamn infinity goblins still makes it boring as fuck.
>seekers tokens reset in NG+ so you can just collect the same ones repeatedly and not need to find them all>the reward for finding all seekers tokens is the ring that increases discipline but by the time you get all seeker's tokens you'll have maxed several vocationsthis could have been a really cool part of the game but they absolutely blundered the way they implemented it.
>>730084671Monsters don't ignore you when you stand on them, unless they are already knocked down or distracted by other pawns with aggro abilities. Otherwise, they always flail around while you can do nothing but locked into that animation where you're trying to maintain your balance. No longer being forced to cling to monsters is way better for every class, especially no longer needing to spam stamina items every five seconds for fighter/thief.
>>730084926DD2 was a perfectly serviceable 6.5/10 squel to a 7/10 game, MGSV is a 7/10 on a good day and was INSANELY hyped up from every corner of the internet and was a sequel to some of the most well-recognized and amibtious games ever made, that falls off a steep cliff when you get to Africa and is an utter trainwreck of storytelling, pacing and presentation.
>>730085016Getting nostalgic for when we didn't know the game would be shit.
>>730067839i mean yeah. it was a failure of basic pattern recognition. how could you be exited about anything in current year? we have decades of reality telling you how shit everything is.
>>730084923thanks lil bro
Mods make you realize how easy some of the fixes would be to make this a fantastic game, and makes you wonder why the fuck Capcom decided to do nothing with DD after launch.
>>730085254Despite the shitty UE5 graphics, E33 turned out to actually be good.
>>730084926Both games have fun gameplay.
Trickster is a fucking scam. Does almost nothing and depends entirely on pawns.
it's wild how dd2 was a downgrade in almost every single way besides graphics and idk climbing maybestraight up the only good part of any npc story in 2 was the cat eye sharingan moment and only because it took me by surprise and i was laughing at how retarded it was
>>730085264>Mods@FBI@JSDF@mossad@capcomHELP
>>730085312E33 has the worst use of Action Commands I have ever seen lol. That game is actual trash, a JRPGs for people who don't like JRPGs
>>730085264Nah, the entire floaty physics system and slow animations are shit, the game is fundamentally fucked. It would been a complete overhall like Product M was for brawl.
>>730085375AIEEEEEEEEEEE
>>730085406>a JRPGs for people who don't like JRPGs that were made after 2010
the best open world game ever, even if left unfinished
>>730085490But it's worse than DD1 and DD1 is also open world.
>>730085490unironically 2 is worse than skyrim
>>730085369>downgrade in almost every single wayImproved climbing, an actual physics system, Fighter/Warrior are no longer gimped trash and instead fun to play, way better pawns.
>>730085569>an actual physics systemThat feels like you're on the moon. Perfect for a fast-paced action game!
>>730085569I will give you warrior but fighter was always good
>>730084926Both. However I will say that the hype threads were still worth it for both. I remember all the MGSV threads from initial gameplay, through Ground Zeroes and all the Kojistation shit. They're very similar though in terms of how they both fucked up, as both games gameplay-wise are 10/10, but the game or sequel itself are like 5/10.
>>730085668This.MGS5 and DD2 killed all my hype in gaming and that's a good thing in a way.
>>730085648Fighter is the worst class in 1. It's time to stop pretending it's not.
>>730085569ill give you the other 3 but fighter and warrior were both fun in 1 and arguably they didn't improve variety that muchlike fighter in dd1 was dragon maw spam while warrior in dd2 can spam skyward sunder and it'll delete drakes faster than any of their other moves
>>730085357It does do a lot of fucking damage though, when the pawns decide to actually turn their AI on
>>730085569>Fighter/Warrior are no longer gimped trash and instead fun to playI dunno, man. Warrior is no fun for me in two and I resent the fact that I have to carry a shield around for fighter's big dick damage attack.
>>730085375People that were worried about this have no idea how modding works and why it could never be enforced. Theyll keep bitching but they cant do shit.>>730085420I still liked it and would play more of it if they made it, Id have liked to have seen DD find its footing and iron out its issues rather than just drop the whole thing because it had those issues.
>>730085569>pawn behavior is tied to voice>pawns have a single inclination now>rating system removed so feeling don't get hurt>'way better pawns'
>>730085254>how could you be exited about anything in current year?The last game directed by itsuno before DD2 was DMC5 and that game was excellent though.Calling everything shit doesn't make you some sophisticated patron of high arts
>>730085717Did a warrior only run in DD1 and needless to say it's way better than people give it credit for.Granted, it does a lot of that bunnyhopping gay shit and all the nukes and stuns barely work in BBI. But you can delete even Grigori with 1-2 charged moves.
>>730085743based dd1 no shield fighter
>>730085698warrior is considerably worse than fighter in DD1 and on like 3 different metrics>more simple and uninteresting>lower DPS>worse safety due to lack of shield, lower skill ceiling due to lack of parry
>>730084926>What broke /v/ more, Metal Gear Solid 5, or Dragons Dogma 2?MGSV is more like DD1, where despite the game's flaws, there's nothing else quite like it. People will say "Oh its just Far Cry" but the amount of mechanics and shit you can play around with in that game is insane. DD2 is way worse simply because of the fact that DD1 exists and is a better game
>>730067567It could have been a fucking masterpieceWhat the fuck went so wrong that they fumbled their golden egg TWICE
I still had fun with this game. Still worth a purchase.I just wish they hadn't lied to me with the color scheming for the classes. Implying that there were way more vocations than there actually were
>>730085717Fighter and Warrior are fucking terrible, they give zero advantages compared to every other class. If all you're doing is spamming literally two moves but everything else in your toolkit sucks, it's a bad class.
>>730085806i just can't go back after experiencing DDO's warrior.
>>730085806people always just bitched and whined about being restricted to 3 slots but idk i genuinely just never saw an issue with that
>>730085827MGSV is a good game but a bad MGS game, kind of like RE4.DD2 is a bad game.
>>730085827MGSV "mechanics" are just at best gimmicks in an extremely empty world with NPCs that have embarrassingly bland AI.
>>730085821>>730085743If you want to play Fighter with no shield why not run Assassin?
>>730085867>they give zero advantages compared to every other class.it's an rpg faggoti find melee cooler than gay spells or bows, and fighter and warrior were both perfectly viable in 1, therefore not shit, they do their job
>>730085939>MGSV "mechanics" are just at best gimmicks in an extremely empty world with NPCs that have embarrassingly bland AI.So Dragon's Dogma
>>730085945How do I unlock the assassin in DD2?
>>730085832>I NEED number go up this instantThat shrimple.
>>730085945specifically so i can just walk around and spam dragons maw
>>730085832>It could have been a fucking masterpieceIt could have been the world's SKYRIM TWO in terms of success if they didn't fuck things up.Pandering to normalfags is retarded as well since those faggots will like anything that other people say is good. Just market it properly, god damn.
>>730085825Warrior has:>better jumping attacks (that can actually hit things in the air)>more knockdown ability>better skills (name a skill from Fighter that's good and that's not Spelter Spike and Dragon's Maw)>more HP >has hyper armor on its normals>more rangeFigtehe has a shield? You mean like Assassin and Mystic Knight which shit all over it?
>>730085768The pawns are better in a gameplay sense, they can play the game for you they are that good. In DD1 literally 90% of pawns were useless because they had that guardian perk etc and would run around literally doing nothing most of the time when you observe them. While I would prefer if they just made these perks better and improved AI, the pawns do not work worse than in DD1.They also needed like 5 more personalities and behaviours. DD1 let you pick how your pawn responds to commands and when they do certain actions, now its all tied to their personality. It takes away a lot of the personality when you have the same characters across all the characters. Honestly the pawn system in DD is one of those interesting game systems that is utterly lacking in ambition, its like the nemesis system in those Shadow of War games, the people that made it have no idea what they made and how great it could be with just simple improvements.For fuck sake, how did we not get enemy pawns for example, like you have other peoples pawns show up as the mobs in peoples games. Why is there LESS customization in regards to armour selection for a game about sharing characters, there shouldve been catalogues of stuff to make distinct pawns. DD is such a frustrating IP.
MGSV easily
>>730085698Being able to parry almost anything alone makes him not the worst.
>>730085975Why does being an RPG mean Fighter has to suck ass and not fun to play as because everything in your arsenal sucks.
>>730085698it's my favorite class, fuck you
>>730085825nta but i think fighter is objectively just better if you mean raw performance but warrior has a lot that makes it satisfying like taking down drakes with jumping attacks and charged arcs
>>730085569Fighter was never gimpedWarrior was fixed with a mod
>>730077724I remember DD characters because I played it 100 times. I don't remember DD2 characters because I played it once. I also do not remember DA characters because I played that once.I am under no delusion why I remember more of DD than DD2. It was not better, it was the same game. I only spent so much more time with it.
>>730086005>Install seamless Warfarer mod>Set skills for daggars and bow>Lose interest when you remember the game game is shit and all enemies are sandbags
>>730086156i'm not saying it wouldn't be better but to say it's shit just because you think the other two offer more is retarded, my point was mainly that as long as it's comparable it's fine because you can't expect perfect balance every time, but also it's for the most part singleplayer so you're not even competing against anyone
>>730086089>they can play the game for you they are that goodAnd that's a bad thing
>>730086185>Warrior was fixed with a modI thought people said the three skill slots limit was hardcoded and couldn't be fixed?
>>730085945Knight mode.
>>730086185>Warrior was fixed with a modyou didn't beat the game + jeet + troon
reminder, his next game is definitely going to be dragon's dogma-like
>>730085995DD2 doesn't even have mechanics.
>>730085569>Improved climbing,Why are you lying?>an actual physics systemThat does what? DD1 had physics too.> Fighter/Warrior are no longer gimped trash They're both worse to play.>way better pawns.WHAT THE FUCK AM I READING
>>730086286Ok how u know
clearly their mistake was not releasing the game on the 24/24/24 like skyrim
>>730086286>his next game is definitely going to be dragon's dogma-likeWill we finally get Deep Down?
>>730086290Wrong.
>>730086286Reminder, I don't care.
>>730086258Oh yeah. There is an intersection between Garou and dragons huh?
>>730086242I don't care what's viable or not. Fighter sucks because everything it has going for it is offered better elsewhere, and the other clases simply has more benefits. Fighter has Dragon's Maw, and that's about it. The one good quality it has exclusive to it
>>730086328>That does what?That makes the game feel slower :D
>>730086286They specifically said its an action game
>>730086286What's the name of the game?
>>730083326a once planned mircotransaction that the scrapped, we have evidence they had a store page for seeker tokins
>>730086328Why are you pretending you even play either game?
>>730086408And makes you slip on like 30 degree angles, so fun.
>>730086286Bro make Todd look like an honest man.
I feel casters are still underdeveloped in the mechanical side of things. Dragons dogma captures the spectacle and risk aspects of spellcraft very well, between the very lengthy channel times and the visual impact of a spell like high maelstrom.I still feel like they could add a rhythm mini game or a certain sequence of buttons you must press to give the feeling of complex incanting.
>>730083869I never had more issue with the lack of them, what were you doing to need so many?
>>730086424And DD was what?
>>730086397you sound like a baby throwing a tantrum because something isn't exactly how you want it tbdesu
>>730073943>Pitches DD1 in fucking 2000>Gets shot down by Capcom's CEO>Monster Hunter comes out, lots of similarities to the DD pitch, helmed by the CEO's nepobaby son>After DMC4, you finally get to make DD>It's like 40% finished because Capcom gave you pocket lint for budget and you need to help the retards at Ninja Theory making Donte May Cry>Hand in your resignation>CEO begs you to stay, say you want to make DMC5 and DD2>DMC5 is a smash hit>Despite all that goodwill, DD2 still gets kicked out the door unfinished to appease shareholders because Wilds isn't out for another yearIf I were Itsuno, I would've fucking killed the Tsujimotos on my way out holy shit
>>730084926MGSV at least was memorable
>>730086513all the content? doing all quests has you constantly moving between areas and a ferrystone is the fastest way back if you're out in the middle of nowhere.
>>730086528You sound like a retard who doesn't know what he's talking about.
>>730086453>get stagger locked by the weakest attacks in the game>crawl around on the ground for extended periods of time>moves like 10 times slower than you did in the first game>no rolling when hitting the ground at high speed>slip on slightly angled slopes>fall on your face if not die jumping down from mid heightsoh my god these physics are so much fun
>>730086612Crazy how you proved my point.
>>730086557I don't see how you can defend Itsuno. DMC5 was shit and DD2 had pretty much zero good ideas all things considered. It's a bit like MGSV in that even if it were finished we would have still been mad, even ignoring all the woke shit he publicly defended and he hung out with trannies. He also defended DmC.
>>730086612What the fuck is that fall speed?>1/10th the distance>still takes longerPathetic.
>>730086527Action RPG, if it was an RPG they would have said so because they love marketing buzzwords
>>730086651You didn't make a point. I asked you to clarify because I wanted to laugh at the stupid shit you came up with. The physics are way worse in 2. I didn't even mention the permanent character lag and insanely long end frames that permeate the entire game. It feels like shit compared to 1.
>>730086675DMC5 was amazing, probably the greatest finale to a long running franchise ever.
>>730086483You see that mountain? You could go there. You see that detail? 16x as much as FO4.
>>730086681>>1/10th the distanceIt's closer to 1/100th lol.
>>730086693>RPG,
>>730086730I did make a point. You're very stupid and posted a webm of a bug, and also said that hitstun is a physics simulation. I genuinely laughed when I saw that.
>>730086286fool me once
>>730086741You disgust me.
>>730086807The whole design vision for DD came from Itsuno wanting to make a fantasy RPG but instead of turn based combat it was more like a fighting game, this was back in like 99 or 2000's when MH and Souls weren't even a blip on the map
>>730086823You did not make a point and now you're in autistmal damage control calling that a bug lmao. >and also said that hitstun is a physics simulation. I genuinely laughed when I saw that.apparently you're a schizo as well, checks out.
>>730087038Lmao, did he hit and invisible ceiling?
>>730084142What was wrong with the physics in the first game? Felt great.
>>730087019Yes, yes, Itsuno wanted.The closest they got to D&D and rpgs was the art they used but the in the context of gameplay it's just "how do you kill shit"
>>730087019So he wanted to copy Ocarina of Time?>>730087092The game does have lots of invisible walls so probably.
>>730087038
>>730087134>So he wanted to copy Ocarina of Time?Literally everyone did back then
>>730087038I can't even tell if you're genuinely stupid or trolling.
>>730087164you should stop projecting it's embarrassing.
>>730086579Sorry, but I'm really lost on your plight, I was in the same boat and it was relatively easy to navigate. I think the hidden town or whatever it was called was the only area I found somewhat a chore to navigate too and by the time I reached new game+ I acquired enough resources to have the stones needed but even then it was less useful to have because most things died in a few hits until you get to the late game again.
>>730087158WHIIIIIIIIIIRRRRRRRRRRR
>>730087112There were Minigames?The fuck?
>>730087182i liked the soulful dd1 physics of grabbing a corpse bag and punching it to build momentum and i'm tired of pretending i didn't
>>730087134I know this is a bug, but I honestly like seeing when a games physics freaks the fuck out for no discernible reason.
>>730087108First game didn't have a physics system. Launch in enemy in 1 and it's just a canned animation you can't interact with. Launch an enemy in 2 and the world is your oyster. Drop an icecube on the ground and have an Ogre slip on it as he's moving backwards. That kind of thing.
>>730087183??? combat being fast and trivial is even more of a reason to want to bypass it with warping, it means traveling is 90% holding W
>>730087182https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGNiXGX2nLU&t=60s
>>730087225It was pure ludo.
>>730087182No projecting, you literally said hitstun was physics-based. Read the first line of that laughably bad post.
>>730071404Wrong class.https://dragonsdogma.fandom.com/wiki/Mystic_Knight
>>730087289You haven't played the game, otherwise you know what I was getting at. I'll give you a hint: you have three other followers. >it means traveling is 90% holding WI'm really having my doubts about you
>>730087182THE WIND IS PUSHING MEEEEEE
>>730087252It's more fun when you can control things like that to some extent, or if enemies intentionally threw you away and it were avoidable but yeah it's silly. I was just posting them because that retards was trying to praise the physics when there was basically absolutely nothing good about them in the sequel while the first game was perfectly serviceable in that regard.>>730087308https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIdFeby__VQ
>>730086286he doesn't know what made DD1 so cool in the first place
>>730087134>The_Curse_Final_Episode.mp4
>>730087252>I know this is a bugLike tons of skills in DD1.
>>730087326this is all they had to give us..
>>730087182> get down
>>730087390what the fuck are you talking about? If you're normally alternating between combat and traveling, but you get so strong that combat ends instantly, then it just ends up being nonstop traveling, which makes it much more samey and tedious, thus something I'd much rather bypass with warping. Traveling from place to place was much more interesting on the first run when there was a semblance of challenge. What about this is hard to get?
why is there no mod to make DD1 harder and challenging? Is it really that difficult to tweak the numbers in an MT Framework game?
>>730087430i've said it a million times but her viper scene as basic as it really was completely blows away anything from any npc in 2 and that's so lame
>>730086286potential man, I kneel...
>>730087182>grab spinny corpse bag>pawn jumps back and forthit's the small things
>>730087514There's a mod that reduces all stat level ups to 1 and locks HP at 800 so no longer get OP immediately upon starting. Try that one. Though Dragonforging shit and Throwbombs still exists so doesn't actually make much of a difference.
>>730087514>lock level to where it feels good>don't upgrade stuff
>>730085825>lower skill ceiling due to lack of parrynot having a parry raises the skill ceiling, retard
>>730087650>just don't play the game
>>730087650So the second game and the first have the same problem where you can eventually over level the difficulty completely?
it was aight, needed more enemies though
>>730087731yeah. In DD2 it happens like 20 or 30 hours in
>>730084543all of these are true and yet DD2 was still the best non indie game I've played in a decade
>>730087731yeah except the second game you do it before you even reach the dragon for the first time
>>730087731Yeah. You can break DD1 even faster without leveling by just getting a random Dragonforged sword and completely and utterly destroy the main game.
>>730087702That's my standard way of playing it... I never wear helmets either.>>730087731Yes but the curve is like 1000x worse in the sequel, you get disgustingly strong very early on.>>730087772I feel like it happens way earlier than that but maybe it depends on the class.
>>730087690do you have brain damage? "it's harder" and "the skill ceiling is higher" aren't the same thing. Not having a parry makes it harder, but in what universe does it "raise the skill ceiling"?
>>730087512>If you're normally alternating between combat and traveling, but you get so strong that combat ends instantlyIt doesn't even start, a pawn would take a shot or deal with them, I think that's what anon was getting at, it's a common complaint about new game plus is how over level you are that you pawns just look at things funny and they die.>which makes it much more samey and tediousAt best you have ADHD, because it takes little time to travel even if you taker carts that get ambushed. The first game had a much smaller map but took longer to get anywhere and was far more the same with little change in scenery.
>>730067567>got excited>played it>it was fucking greatDD2 was the only thing that could scratch the DD itch. Now we'll never get a DLC or a sequel since Capcom is fucking retarded and i'm depressed again. I can only hope that Crimson Desert or that other chink DD clone deliver it.>>730086557This. Itsuno was a fucking saint.>>730086675Fucking retarded. DMCV was a love letter for the fans and did everything right.
>>730087804>I feel like it happens way earlier than that but maybe it depends on the class.was going to post just 20 hours but was feeling generous. Class balance is all over the place so if you play thief it might happen just 5 hours in lol
>>730087326Unironically why are physics in old games closer to real life. Do modern games just have so much shit going on that they have to be 1/4 speed to not crash?
>>730087871>DD2 was the only thing that could scratch the DD itchhave you tried DDON?
>>730084616This is such a fucking weird take. How do you conflate slow start frames, weaker hitstop, and massive end frames with weight? It just feels slow, clunky, and it takes control away from you, it feels like shit when you try to attack an enemy and miss and then have to wait like 3 fucking seconds to try again. And it destroys any kind of combo game.The force finisher animations are also pure cancer.
>>730087913DD1 didn't have a physics system while real-life does so that's clearly not true.
>>730087846the first game had an infinite use ferrystone anon, that's my whole point. Any way you spin it you spend much more time retreading your steps in 2 than 1. Hell the ox carts end up having way more loading screens to them than ferrystoning even when they're supposedly a form of fast travel themselves.
>>730087872I finished DD2 around lvl 54 as thief and the poor dragon didn't make it. The moment it fell after being smacked in the face once by a ballista shot, a single gut and run destroyed 3 bars of health. Never knew what hit him, it felt like such a let down for a final boss. Followed up by a let down of an ending until I found out it was a fake ending and the real one is hidden behind an interaction with the Godsway you have to do during the dragon ride.
the only good thing about warfarer is that it lets me use fighter/warrior weapons with a toga
>>730086612>The frame rate differenceGrim
Just started the Unmoored World. What should I do first
>>730087871>ugly visuals>retarded story>dante swearing>horribly bland bosses>ugly women>horrible and pointless new playable character>race changing DEI shit>even the music was badAbsolutely shit taste.
>>730087825preemptive positioning takes more thought and knowledge than pressing the invincibility button at the correct time.but 99% of players are actually as deluded as you which is why there are so many games releasing nowadays where the ideal way of playing is just to stand still and deflect all incoming attacks. it's an incredibly shallow mechanic that allows devs to force hitbox collisions and somehow has managed to fool people into thinking it's deep when it actually just turns the games into punch out, except with completely unused 3D space
>>730087983Just makes you wonder why they even have armour restrictions at all, like they couldve had it that you get extra mana/stamina/ depending on the armour so blue classes are inclined to wear light armour, not required to. There is some good fashion in the game but you cant fucking wear it becuase its class locked.
>>730087964>Havok physics engine isn't a physics system
>>730087972not like the real ending was much better either. Cutscene with pawn at max affinity was kino, but the lack of an actual final boss was such a waste
>>730087943>The force finisher animations are also pure cancer.Only a true retard would complain about heavy attacks being useful now instead of worthless garbage.
>>730087943>The force finisher animations are also pure cancerI liked those with the fighter
>>730087913I have no idea. I still don't get why SOTC has some of the best animation work ever and has good physics, it's weird that DD1/DD2/BOTW and everything else that tried to copy it fail miserably at it in terms of both animation work and fun.
>>730088041For items?
>>730088039i can tolerate armor restrictions if they're at least consistent and reasonable but the restrictions are sometimes just completely retarded like there's no reason for any armor to be usable by fighters but not warriors or vice versa
>>730088038this could be a good point if fighter just sat in one place and did not use preemptive positioning at all, however in actuality fighter literally exploits two mechanics instead of one and you can be good at either or both, hence the high skill ceiling from the extra option existing
>>730087913More or less. Every new feature you add to the system takes resources away to other things. Also they want to use new engines and that fucks things up too. Dragon's Dogma 1 used the MT Framework engine, Dragons Dogma 2 uses RE Engine.
>>730088086Yeah for the first time sure, and then it repeats over and over and it takes forever. I like gameplay, not movies.
>>730087772>>730087796>>730087803>>730087804Must've played the game wrong then. I'm on the second playthrough and when I spot a dragon in the distance, I still find myself wondering if I should really do that right now.
>>730087970>the first game had an infinite use ferrystone anonNot at launch. That was added with DA >Hell the ox carts end up having way more loading screens to them than ferrystoning even when they're supposedly a form of fast travel themselveswait, you are telling me you are getting load screens from the ox carts?
>>730088138… Jesus you must have the shortest attention span ever recorded. We’re not even talking seconds here. What a bizarre complaint.
>>730088176drakes are the only enemy that poses a challenge and only because of their meteor spam
>>730071404I still remember watching the trailer and being excited for trickster...
>>730087970>the first game had an infinite use ferry stonePeople that appreciate the map played before Dark Arisen gave you that and more than 1 port crystal a playthrough.
>>730071404>somehow make the vocations have less variety and utility than when the first game had them borrowing each other's weaponsEverything about 2 is a prime example of how not to do a sequel.
>>730088176You can kill a Drake in DD1 at level 1 with zero equipment (except a shield) lmao. Not the same in DD2, you would get instantly raped even at level 30
>>730088238Was weird getting hellfire out of nowhere after 20 hours enemies that do fuck all.
>>730088091sotc and ueda games in general are fully hand animated + cutting edge procedural animations whereas most other games are mocapped.
>>730088262I get what they were trying with that but holy shit it needs an overhaul to be any fun.
>>730088282>first game had them borrowing each other's weaponsAnd that was stupid.
>>730088195>Not at launch. That was added with DA And? It's in DD1 and it's not in DD2. The fact that it's not in DD2 makes DD more boring and tedious.>wait, you are telling me you are getting load screens from the ox carts?Reach ox cart, sit at bench up to three times waiting for ox cart to show up, sit on ox cart and activate dialogue, fade out to halfway to your destination because your ox cart got attacked because it fucking always does, fade out to reaching your destination. This shit just takes a really long time compared to a few seconds of menuing for a ferrystone. And thats if your ox cart isn't destroyed.>>730088268I appreciated the map but I don't always feel like running through it, I don't understand how this QoL convenience to skip something you've already done, which is 100% optional to use, is somehow bad for existing.
>>730088284>You can kill a Drake in DD1 at level 1 with zero equipmentwalk me through it. I feel like it's the same strat to do it in DD2.
>>730088219>enemy has been killed by a cool cinematic jumping strike I had full control over>but I must now watch a short film as control is taken away from me to play a canned animation I didn't ask forit's fucking annoying
>>730088358Throwbombs don't exist in 2.
>>730088282>>730088348Anon's point was more how impressive it was to pull that off then. You think a game that shared weapons with classes would have less variety not more.
>>730088363>a short filmnigger it's just 2 or 3 seconds
>>730088318This is not a smart post friend. You can motion capture all of the animations in SOTC.Animations are just animations, the only difference is the animation systems and how game elements prompt the animations.
havent gotten around finishend the game in like over a year now sadly
I find it weird how despite me putting in just over 200 hours into DD2, there's no reason to go back to it. Whereas I can keep going back to 1 just to play around with Pawn fashion. I love to just hire someones pawn and outfit them entirely with Dragonforged shit for fun.
>>730071264It was pinned because people kept talking about it, not because it’s good.
>>730088418Calm down grandpa.Why are you defending it taking sometimes 3x longer to kill goblins for example? It's fucking annoying.
>>730088363You're vulnerable during the finisher, it's not canned.
>>730088476DD1 is denser and you are always headed towards doing something cool. DD2 pacing is way worse
>>730088357>Reach ox cart, sit at bench up to three times waiting for ox cart to show upIt's a one time thing. iirc only pirated copies have that issue if they don't have that day 0 patch. Otherwise if you select the cart post it moves time up to a cart leaving. No idea about the benches. Never used them.
>>730088503The animation is canned and that's not a good thing, it makes my complaints even stronger that you can't cancel out of the stupid animation because you're now open to hits.
DD1 with DD2 engine
>>730088540you control the buttons you press little retard
>>730067567You get what you fucking deserve. Capcom retroactively adding a russian drm to old games in order to replace denuvo should have told you everything you needed to know.
>>730067567All that hype... and for what? Just to have humilliation threads? Insane.
>>730087702That's not what he said, disingenuous retard.
>>730088552The improvements in DD2 are too few for that to be worth itDD1 with some decent sized mods to improve visuals
>>730088593nah re:engine is better
>>730087690No, having fewer things to get good at lowers skill ceiling.
>>730071404e-expansion soon...
>>730088608fuck nogive me a DD2 in MT Framework with MH: World levels of visuals
>>730088608not really
>>730088585It can't be helped, a sizable chunk of /v/ refuses to let Capcom go, no matter how much worse they get.
>>730088540In other words, You're vulnerable during the finisher, it's not canned. There's a risk and reward to actions instead of having worthless heavy attacks?
>>730088608DD1 literally has better shadows and audio and it doesn't feel sluggish to play. It also had better armor customization.DD2 has like .. cape and hair physics.
>>730085406There's really no reason to like JRPGs. The genre lived on for decades on undeserved rep while doubling down on its mistakes and bad habits instead of evolving. Square Enix is exactly where they deserve to be and Atlus is the perfect display of how people interact with JRPGs: through a handler on twitch or youtube. Disgusting mechanically void genre where only the absolute rejects of storytelling and art in general go to make retards attached through dozens of hours of torture.
>>730088587That's clearly what he said because you can't lock your level.
>>730088552dd2 in dd1 engine and then just added to dd1 as a full extra campaign after the dd1 campaign with some cut like>another arisen, in another life
>>730088759>DD1 literally has better shadowsNo hyperbole. DD2's shadows really look like complete ASS. Even the RT shadows look awful. They went backwards in technology.
>>730067567It's pretty cathartic seeing the deranged Capcom fanboy continue to meltdown at his bogeymen in these threads. He actually sincerely believes that discorders and "indian poorfags" are "still" in these threads expressing disappointment as if it's some kind of agenda 2 years after the game released. Meanwhile Capcom hasn't stopped floundering and there's no sign of DLC in sight. I can't imagine ever fiercely defending the company responsible for DmC, MML3's cancellation (to be fair fuck that scammer Inafune too), and rushing this shit out the door while simultaneously mandating that the game must be ugly, brown, and devoid of short women.
>>730088759yeah and the fucking cape clips through the shield
>>730088776That's cool. E33 is garbage for subhukan pajeets though and will always be.
>>730088780>That's clearly what he said because you can't lock your level.Maybe console plebes can't, I can.
>>730088759has a better skybox that doesn't look like poop too
>>730088780https://www.nexusmods.com/dragonsdogma/mods/96
>>730088759>adds hair physics>doesn't add fully customizable bush for my female prawns and whoring out your prawn at the whorehouse to other playerswhat were they thinking
>>730088759>hair physicsWill the game run better if I make my arisen bald?
>>730088805Of course RT looks like ass, it's used as a replacement for actually being good at your job. Like I'm sure someone who was good at their job could make it look good, but that defeats the entire point.
>>730088959Phantom strands.
>>730088805With mods you can unlock path tracing which is much more similar to DD1s but it runs like fucking shit and has a bunch of hideous visual bugs depending on the settings.>>730088863I like how the first game looks more overall. 1's skies were nice, 2's are a joke. N64 games literally have nicer skyboxes.
>>730088959only with ray tracing disabled
>>730088959I doubt it lol. That would be funny though.
>>730089005>a bunch of hideous visual bugsIt lacks a denoiser. All real-time RT solutions right now need a denoiser.
>>730087326Looks like complete garbage.This is what you fags deify?>>730087913>watches webm>physics close to real lifeAre you all retarded in here?
>>730088840E33 won't be the last time this happens. You will cry blood again and again and again, no matter what, because JRPGs are shit and actual human beings will respond to "JRPGs that hate JRPGs" overwhelmingly positively every single time. Have a stroke, fatty.
>>730088840>subhukanis that one of your friends sukdeek?
>>730086286I wonder if he was just lucky with his bigger titles or Capcom actually fucked over DD2 development with something that made him leave.Also>LightSpeed Studios>they axed Battle Acesman...
>>730067567still the best game I played that year
>>730089075>This is what you fags deify?No.
>>730089086>E33 won't be the last time a shitty game comes outWoah, really?
>>730079980>they're never going to be able to release a monster hunter againProfound retardation
>>730089073>It lacks a denoiser.I'll explain how it works:- With base settings it runs okay but the shadows become pitch black which makes the game borderline unplayable in exteriors during the day.- With 1+ light bounces that is fixed but then you get intense and ugly as shit film grain(noise) and your GPU starts panicking- So you increase the denoiser settings to make it look better and then your GPU starts crying and now your frame rate is sub 60Then there are other settings that help kinda, sometimes, but they cause flickering shadows and shit so it's basically unplayable in another direction
>>730067567I'm still hoping for DLC. I mean, a DLC package would be a very safe way for a new developer team to get into the Dragon's Dogma IP.
>>730067567>furries (ugly)>elves (angry about)>height restrictions>fewer choices for armour and Fashion's Dogma
>>730089173Cast him.
>>730089151They obviously fucked him over with it>you wanted to make this game? make sure it's full of blacks, make sure to do marketing with trannies, and we're not giving you nearly enough time to even half finish it :DD
>2 years of radio silencewhy is capcom such a retarded company holy shit. even Deep Down just vanished
>>730089193Yeah, really. You will lose literal months of your already short lifespan staying mad at those wildly successful and beloved games, and they'll come out more frequently as the world continues to leave you behind.
>>730089424You sound mentally stable and not mad humans with souls don't like your pajeet game.
I assume the reason why he failed and Capcom is failing too with mhw is because these boomers just don't know how to keep up with the ever increasing budget for AAA games, they're not used to it
>>730089624The reason is they did not heed the words of the wise man.Late is temporary. Suck is forever.
>>730089574Nomura is your hero. You couldn't be more brown if you actually tried.
>>730089378Yeah and then he wasted time on dogshit like Trickster. I am so sick of pretending that Itsuno is some tortured artist who wasn’t allowed to realize his vision because of The Man. How many fucking times have we been through this song and dance before? How many directors finally escape the yoke of their horrible publisher oppressors only to humiliate themselves publicly shortly thereafter? Itsuno did not have the skill to realize his own vision. That’s why DD2 is the way that it is.
Are people still being paid to shill E33 and BG3? I'm never playing them for the same reason I cancelled my DD2 pre-order when the character creator demo came out. I don't play games with ugly characters. I'm not paying to look at pseudo-realistic renditions of the average unattractive person you'd see riding public transport in a major city, I can literally do that for free.
>>730089624No, it's because AAA whether it's east or west is obsessed with kicking out the behind the scenes talent that made their shit work in favor of support studios, low cost interns, and diversity. When you replace the people good at their job with people that are not good at their job quality will invariably collapse.
>>730088415Honestly it's a little bit of both what you're saying and >>730088282. On one hand it was lame that vocations borrowed weapons from each other on top of certain skills in DD1. However, they also made up for it by making sure most vocations had something only they could wield and the focus of each was still clear regardless thanks to the skills. Strider and Ranger both use daggers, but the former is more melee focused and getting in people's face while the latter is about using your longbow at optimal ranges and you even get way more bow kills than Strider does while lacking in melee-oriented ones. Mystick Knights can do bludgeon damage and enchant their shields and so on. Assassin is the only vocation that borrows a little bit from everyone while still being entirely its own thing with counters and unique ways to maneuver with the shield that Fighter can't.So despite the limitations there was still uniqueness to each vocation. 2 has the uniqueness it's just considerably less due to most vocations lacking a secondary weapon. Ranger relies solely on bow, thief has no ranged attacks and on top of that certain still are outright inferior to their predecessor like implicate only targeting ONE AT A TIME instead of multiple like it used to. Ranger retains almost none of the skills from DD2's ranger vocation, instead opting to make using special arrows as intended their own skill slot. Fucking why?Overall there's a lot of bizarre and unfavorable design choices with how vocations operate in DD2 that don't make utilizing them as rewarding or powerful, and that's largely the biggest problem. You don't feel strong because you're expected to rely on pawns to make up for your shortcomings. Which yeah that was the intention of the first game, but in 2 you just feel chopped off at the needs at all times.
>>730089703>How many directors finally escape the yoke of their horrible publisher oppressors only to humiliate themselves publicly shortly thereafter?Give him a change, at least. He has his own company now, building their first game.
>>730089746> He has his own company nowthe company ain't his property
>>730086286>>730086424It's going to be a DMC clone first. An RPG the size of DD would be too much for a new company.
>>730089624The reason is different for both games I think:>Capcom never wanted DD2 to be some massive project because they knew that it would never see the returns necessary on it to justify it >MH World managed to be the best selling game in Capcom’s history and it was a massive streamlining of the MH formula. They thought they could replicate the feat with even more streamlining in WildsCouple that with the company mandate that every game MUST use their own proprietary game engine and that’s why DD2 and Wilds are the way they are. Wilds at least will get a G rank expansion that will attempt to fix the game, I doubt anything is coming for DD2.
>>730089698Which Nomura are you talking about you schizo. If you're talking about the one from Square, Hell no. Square has like one good series and a couple of decent one off games.
>>730089703I agree with you but it's still true.
>>730089746>DMC4>DmC>DMC5>DD2yeah nochances over
>>730089725Shit taste fags who play western games like them. I just imagine them being ugly white people with blue hair or generally low IQ people. Similar to people that liked Bioware garbage.
>>730088921Speaking of whores, they added a whorehouse and you can't even do anything with it. I was expecting it to be filled with other players pawns, would have been a great idea.
>>730090193Why would pawns be in a whorehouse?Do you coomerbrained faggots even think before you speak?
>>730090229>Why would pawns be in a whorehouse?why wouldn't they
I wanted DD2 to be good but when the DMCVSE content was to be locked between platforms I knew we were moving back into a Crapcom era and hadn't played any of their shit since
>>730071404It's fun to think what the unfilled classes might have been>pink: alchemist, purple:summoner
>>730090375>DMCVSE content was to be locked between platformsqrd?
>>730083250it's pretty telling that a major complaint is "there weren't more things like the sphinx". she's the standardsetter.
>>730089737It’s because the amount of money needed for modern game dev has ballooned to such ludicrous degrees that even modest projects require cost cutting measures in order to be profitable. There’s just too much work to be done in asset creation now. And while I personally wouldn’t mind every video game looking like it belongs on the PS2 that wouldn’t sell at all lol.>>730089746Look I’d be happy to be wrong because I’ve loved Itsuno’s work all the way back to Rival Schools. But we’re also 15 years removed from men like Inafune and Chris Roberts begging for money on Kickstarter to realize their “vision” that mean ebil publishers wouldn’t let them do. And there’s a mountain of disgraced directors between them and now (and yes I know that Itsuno isn’t grifting for Kickstarter money but you get my point). I just don’t believe in the idea of an auteur game director anymore, unless it’s entirely made by one man. Even Kojimbo, who has tried so fucking hard his whole life to present himself as a visionary, relied on a guy like Fukushima to make the stories not be complete dogshit. It’s why everything he’s made from MGS4 onwards has been almost embarrassingly bad in terms of writing.
If they made Dragon's Dogma Online in the RE Engine instead of DD2 it would have probably sold the same or more as Wilds.
>>730090334Because I forbid it.
>>730088759>DD1 literally has better shadows and audio and it doesn't feel sluggish to play.>doesn't feel sluggish to playAHHAHAHHAAHHAAH
>>730090463DMC5SE is only on consoles and it has Turbo and LDK in addition to Vergil. PC only got Vergil but it’s not like you can’t just mod in Turbo and LDK
>>730090571No it wouldn’t have. Brand isn’t nearly big enough.
>>730090531her face is pure sex and whoever designed and worked on her were the true heroes of dd2
>>730084894Why do you type like the average mentally ill teenaged girl that you'd find in the comment section on batoto? You're even calling an ugly freaky old woman pretty, which women seem to love doing for whatever odd reason.
>>730090546>It’s because the amount of money needed for modern game dev has ballooned to such ludicrous degrees that even modest projects require cost cutting measures in order to be profitable. There’s just too much work to be done in asset creation now. >And while I personally wouldn’t mind every video game looking like it belongs on the PS2 that wouldn’t sell at all lol.Destroying quality in the process only works for so long. I know kick the can down the road is exactly the kind of game shareholders like to play but destroying trust in your IP means you have no long term prospects. Just look at what happened to square and FF.
>>730090778Yeah, and you don't need a 5090 to play it at full speed, that's a bonus too.
>>730090571Idk how many players RE Engine can handle, the most players thus far seems to be 6. Does an MMO need more though? If players connected through the rift and filtered themselves into a selection of each other like pawns are, it'd still have everything an MMO has. I wonder, it could be like Habbo Hotel where everyone can have their own little rift room, automatic LFG instances, and perhaps some public rifts for people to chill out in. Maybe sell some furniture from the in-game shop...
>>730090921>Why do you type like the average mentally ill teenaged girl that you'd find in the comment section on batoto?because i'm a mentally ill late 20s guy on potato
>>730090778you move like 2x as fast and 5x snappier in the first gameliterally
>>730090781This plus the lighting and raytracing updates specific to the Microsoft version
>>730090835Monster Hunter is only so big because it gives people what they want, action PvE online multiplayer. If Dragon's Dogma had that it'd be just as big if not bigger thanks to the more generic fantasy aesthetic having more broad appeal.
>>730083740ripIt was a great day though, it really was. The announcement went off like a nuclear bomb. It was what it was: a unique event. They can never take that away from us. Nobody talks about Shart Souls any more. But they will always seethe about the day /v/ was taken over by Dogmites.
>>730071568Still haven't bought another crapcom game after this
>>730090835They were idiots for not even bringing DDO to the west in the first place. Capcom has this ability to make great decisions at time, but even worse most of the time.
>>730067567anyone buying crapcom games deserves to get scammedcan't believe we had an EPIC sticky for this pile of monumental garbagebut I'm sure all of the shills had a blast
>>730085867Fighters make for amazing pawns. You just suck at the game.
do any mods fix the classes in dd2 yet
>>730091258>Nobody talks about Shart Souls any moreL M A O
>>730086089> guardian inclinationThat my mentally challenged friend, is a (You) fuckup.
>>730090954The problem is that for Capcom it’s largely working. Wilds’ problems are engine based and top level design mistakes, no one cares that some underpaid support studio modeler made a tree asset. If they did World and Rise wouldn’t be the best selling games in the franchise. Nor would the new Resident Evil games all be critically and commercially successful (RE3R excluded). Nor Street Fighter 6 be the only fighting game with a pulse. Outsourcing only becomes a problem if entire games are outsourced, which is what Capcom did in the early 2010s and we know how that turned out.>Just look at what happened to square and FF.The collapse of Final Fantasy is a somewhat unique phenomenon. Sure it’s easy to point out ugly NPC models made by jeets but I don’t think that’s even a top 50 reason as to why people aren’t buying modern FF titles. They have two major issues: the first is the same shit that affected DD2 and Wilds, which were major design mistakes. Whether it be time jannies in FFVIIR or a bizarre insistence on being the worlds worst RPG in XVI there are serious fundamental flaws with modern FF games. What makes FF unique is the time scale. People have been upset with modern FF going back to at least XIII. That was over 15 years ago. Since then you’ve gotten two XIII sequels, XV, XVI, and the FFVII Remake project. All of which have had mixed receptions at best and release *years* apart from one another and each one becomes the most expensive game SE has ever made. There’s simply far too much time spent waiting on the next game in a series that’s greatest success in the last decade is a declining MMO. The management isn’t incompetent here, it’s deranged.
>>730086089All that pawns were good for was world building and comedy mostly with the dialogue and 2 butchered that aspect of them, totally butchered it
Despite being unfinished the gameplay is million times better than witchers gameplay which is glorified Dd2 does not deserve the hate
>>730091281You get what you deserve for thinking Itsuno ever had plans for another dozen vocations lmao
>>730091858I would argue that TW3 with mods is better. It's satisfying to dismember enemies as a blazing fast Witcher. DD2 isn't really ever satisfying, something always feels off.
i blame REngine
>>730092025>DD2 isn't really ever satisfying, something always feels off.Skill issue unironically.
>>730091858DD2 is literally the only game to ever make me motion sick. The swimmy movement, camera and the constant staggering literally makes it unpleasant to play
>>730092132Have you considered not being a little faggot?
>>730092069I'm good at video games. To the point that this is why I can tell something is off about it, while you're happy with the bland experience.
>>730071404one of the most legendary moments of pure cope yetI still remember the "dude if you knew matsuno you would know he's hiding 90% of the game, he loves doing that" posts
>>730092236Unfortunately for you. I am also good at videogames.Which is why I know for a fact that you're suffering from skill issues.
>>730092253>matsuno*itsuno, fuckgot my jrpg directors mixed up
>>730092132*infuses chromatic aberration, depth f field, and motion blur into special effects and general gameplay even when you disable these in the settings*haha nothing personal
>>730092253Technically he did hide DD2 even if that was like, 10-15 hours of gameplay.
>>730092273I do not believe you otherwise you would agree with me.
>>730088608>re:engine is betterRE is the only engine that's somehow WORSE than UE5, and that's a hell of an achievement.
>>730092236>I'm good at video games.>>730092273>I am also good at videogames.You can't just say these things without providing hard proof.
>>730091775>The collapse of Final Fantasy is a somewhat unique phenomenonIt's not. You can look at most of the big franchises of yesteryear and see the same thing going on with the same sort of results.
>>730067567No other games will reach the 2014/15 mgsV mania
>>730092402Just trust me. Not him though.
>>730092402I completed Starcraft 1's campaign using only cheats 3 times.
>>730092485I didn't use any cheats. Check mate
>>730091858>dogshit 2 tranny thinks xir game is in any way comparable to GOTYr 3lol, lmaofor the same price I would pay to get a bunch of portcrystals in dragons shitma 2 I could get Blood & Wine in Witcher 3, a fucking DLC expansion that has a bigger world than your troon ass game, and the smallest random side quest has more meaningful choices than all of DD2 put together.
>>730092525>gameplay is slowly walking around a cityAmazing.
>>730092398RE Engine is vastly superior for what it’s designed for, which was linear games with relatively small environments. The problem is Capcom’s insistence on using it for open worlds.
RE engine isn't even that bad, the art teams just fucking suck.
>>730092525I'm talking about the combat thoughYeah the town looks cooler but the combat is pure slavjank
>>730067567I booted it up again yesterday and had shitton of fun. Game isn't worth more than $30 but it's great for just some mindless exploration and monster slaying. Also runs at 80-100 FPS on 1440p with everything maxed out on my 5800x3d and 9070 xt. Also love my caring cat wife
I really don't care how it looks so long as it runs well, performance is my first concern. I'd have been fine if Dragon's Dogma 2 just looked like Dragon's Dogma 1 again, at least then it wouldn't drop to 10fps anytime I went into a town.MT framework ran like a dream, Lost Planet, Dragon's Dogma 1, DMC4, RE6, all looked great for their day, and ran great on hardware of the day. REengine struggles on anything more complex than a couple of zombies in a corridor.
>>730089378>and we're not giving you nearly enough time to even half finish it :DDI knew from the moment I saw the shitty placeholder title screen that we were royally fucked.
>>730092815>he doesn't know
>>730091479>but I'm sure all of the shills had a blastI did not, in fact, have a blast.
>>730092917>Soulless placeholder screen becomes soulless placeholder screen with a red filterCAPCOM, ACCEPT MY APOLOGY!
DD2 is objectively inferior to Skyrim. The guy talking in public in the city square will restart his story if you step away even a few feet and come back, while the Talos dude in Whiterun will go on his rant whether you're physically near him or not.
>>730093096Imagine the jank-kino if Todd and Itsuno were to team up.
>>730093096>RE engine pisses and shits itself on $500 CPUs and $800 consoles so that the forgettable NPCs can follow their little scripted routines>Majora's Mask did this on the fucking N64
>>730067567I remember when mods were banning people for calling out known red flags prior to release
>>730093362I find it shocking how good that game is in retrospect. 1 year dev time, mostly recycled assets, and they somehow made solid gold.
>>730093362>Majora's Mask did this on the fucking N64You had to buy the FUCKING expansion pack for that though (Thanks for ruining my birthday Nintendo)
>>730067567I was very hyped until I saw they removed loli companions. didn't even buy it and I'll never play it because of that
I think it's time to admit the first game was also shit
>>730093685Shrimple as that.But fags aren't ready to admit this and will go "muh loli".
>>730071404
I'm not buying it until they release Special Edition/Dark Arisen equivalent>b-b-but DLC!Didn't stop DMC5 from getting Special Edition in 2020s, fuck you Itsuno.
>>730093848
>>730093848november... 2026...
>>730092807>MT framework ran like a dreamYou didn't play DD1 at release. In fact I might be the only person in this thread who did.
>>730093848Ahahahahaha!!!!!
>>730091596Pawns can only be Fighters you stupid retard. How does that change the class being gimped trash?
>>730094210On console it ran like shit, that's true. I remember going down to single digit frames with mystic knight.It was great on PC tho. MT Framework really was just better. MH World shits all over Rise in terms of fidelity and Wilds in both fidelity and performance. It's comical.
>>730094334>Pawns can only be Fighters you stupid retard.
>>730094210I played it on PC release, it ran great on my modest system, I did not play it on console.
>>730094367Does your personalize copy of the game have them being Assassins/Mystic Knights?
>>730094480>Does your personalize copy
>>730094365It was great on PC because the port was years later
>>730094365>MH World shits all over Rise in terms of fidelityRise was Switch exclusive at first. No wonder it's going to look worst than a PS4/PC game.
>>730093564>1 year dev timeHalf of that was logistics, real dev time was more like 6 months.Zelda should have gone to Koizumi
>>730094365>MH World shits all over Rise in terms of fidelity and Wilds in both fidelity and performanceYou clearly weren’t around for the game’s launch on either console or PC because it ran like fucking shit. The game had mixed reviews on Steam even for a long time due to all the issues. But it’s been 8 years since World launched and hardware improved so now those issues are a distant memory.
>>730094596Rise’s development included making a portable version of the RE Engine. I don’t think that game gets enough credit for being one of the most stable, well running 3rd party games on the Switch.
>>730094210It was a 20fps shitshow on PS3 and I still loved it. Solid 60fps on my midrange toaster since day 1.
>Aprove the project as a guinea pig for open world REngine>Then cut development time to patch exoprimal flop>And cut whatever DLC they had planned to try and patch MH WildsNo wonder itsuno finally got fed up with Capcom
>>730071902daggerman does not share anything in common with archer, even vaguely
>>730092917When does the IsraelGPT generated title theme get replaced with anything that has half the soul of the first game's soundtrack
>>730092815Where's >start new game?
>>730094968Why are you friends with Sonichu?
>>730095386The only reason I was ever friends with anyone. To trade DD1 pawns.
>>730095661Same, but with PS3/4 friends. I have some friends who still play it, was on the PS5 over christmas break and someone was playing it on my friend list, made me smile. I should probably go use his pawn some time.
>>730095661Did he make a necklace for you?
>>730085569>an actual physics systemI reffunded it as soon as i encountered the first pack of goblins. The combat and movement felt like ass, made me think on asscreed or rdr2 due to how slugish it felt.
>>730096324You're just autistic. It takes 5 seconds to get used to having weight.
>>730096324>made me think on asscreed or rdr2 due to how slugish it feltAre you me? I thought of those exact two games.
>>730096587>Floating about like you're on the moon = having weight?
>>730067567I would have bought this if you could make loli pawns like the first game.
goblins
>>730092807>>730094365>>730094371>>730094968You people forget that DD1 was released on PC in 2016, over 3 years after the original console release on PS3 and 360, where it ran like absolute ass, it a well known fact.Mid range 8th gen PC was entirely different league than 7th gen consoles.They released PS4 and Xbone version after the PC, and it was locked to 30 fps, because it was still demanding on CPU.
>>730096817You keep making this shitpost and doesn't even make sense. If you were on the moon you wouldn't have gravity. The thing you're crying about has too much gravity, which is why autistic retards can't handle it unless something is arcady since there isn't weight behind your actions.
I still enjoyed it, even if it could've been so much more.
>>730097064>If you were on the moon you wouldn't have gravity
>>730071404You people are fucking retarded to expect this especially when you consider the color combos are limited in this chart entirely arbitrarily
>>730097246>>730097204The moon doesn't have any atmophere to keep the gravity in, hence why it has no gravity. Go read a book morons.
>>730097064>If you were on the moon you wouldn't have gravityThese are people defending D2.
>>730097312 Obvious bait is obvious
>>730067567I've played OG DD on PS3, and DD: DA on PC, haven't touched DD2 beyond the CC demo but everything I've seen looks cool. What's the controversy?
>>730097312>it has no gravity
>>730071568>buy it >launch it>opens in window mode >cursor is offset >fullscreen doesn't take effect despite closing and relaunching>refundIt can't even launch right for me to get disappointed with it
>>730097438>What's the controversy?It basically boils down to being a great game on it's own, but a bad sequel.
>>730097438runs like ass on the strongest hardware on the market and people got their hopes up for stuff that wasn't in the game
>>730097064On the moon everything would fall slower and get launched into the air more easily and momentum would be less impeded. Which is exactly what happens with DD2 (and most modern AAAs for that matter).Higher gravity would mean moving faster.
>>730085035I tried it. You just sit around watching a 40-50 year old in a spandex suit up the ass while waiting for some guy on a route to walk over there while another walks over yonder, so you can slip between them unnoticed because the combat is shit.Honestly extremely boring and the story and aesthetic of the world didn't really capture me either
>>730097438There are so many issues with it that everyone focuses on a different poison. For me its:>movement feels sluggish and slow>animations feel more '''cinematic''' and less tied to inputs>enemies are lethargic and attack far less than in DD1>large enemies tend to thrash about aimlessly instead of targeting you or your pawns>Fights feel like they've been designed for spectacle over gameplayIf you're into western AAAslop gameplay like nu God of War, you might prefer this to DD1.
>>730090531>drawing gives her plastic surgery pin nose>gets head-shape wrong>smile is wrongSomeone needs to go back to studying their craft
>>730098029I prefer DD2 over 1 because the core melee combat is objectively better.
>>730067567i member...
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>>730098291>>730098352
>>730098259>the core melee combat is objectively better
>>730098291>>730098352>>730098413
>>730098417It is. How many light/heavy attacks are good/have any meaningful utility in DD1?
>>730067567>upgraded my PC to be able to play this>saved me from being stuck on 2016 hardware and not being able to upgrade for years to come due to the AI bullshitthank you crapcom
