Fans are demanding Square act now to save the franchise. I, myself, think Remake and Rebirth are kino and feel Square still understands the voice of PS1 and PS3 era FF.
>Sells millions every release>Other companies would beg and die to sell as much as FF sells every release>CAN THEY BE SAVED, CAN THE COMPANY GET THE HELP IT NEEDS!!!!lmao. Fuck you, moron.
>>730070693buy an ad obsessed schizo
>>730070813>Sells millions every releaseFF16 and Rebirth both flopped hard.
>>730070904Uhhhhhhh...... Sega bros.........?
>>730070693They need to do a pixel remaster of 7-16 in the classic style now.
>>730070693Left version looks fucking horrible though, like RPG Maker level shit
>>730070904It's easy to go up 40% in one year when you're down 70% over the last five years.https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/SQNXF/?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAE3OET1Ge9FYfaCRNws5dx23gnJarQjmoKhdLAsbGUeSse2_e_zp1SzPJGo2mWsR_IM_dZ-Wwmxb7OhnDMZ7AfkQ3fG7Cx52fiWKcC2007XMUUOMBGZufkkABzEJKy1VmIuJu94UBpuXP8TmOnEzHJFXdfFELJXftDTw9F-JQ_J6
>>730070962nah. just do a new FF in the engine. don't need to be a main number, make it a side series.FF Dimensions 1 was fun, despite the shit looks.They already got the pixel remaster stuff set up. Make a new game in the engine.
Bring back turn-based combat. Bring back overworlds. Bring back Triple Triad.
>>730071048RPG Maker shit is trying to look like 16 bit Final Fantasy
>>730071438but ends up looking more like the left picture
>>730070693Man I fuckin love Rydia
>>730070952Because timed-exclusive locked to PS5 which Sony paid them for so they made money anyways
>>730071575My point is that they're trying to ape FF's style so it's inevitable that FF looks like RPG Maker. It's a dumb criticism, like complaining that Iron Maiden sounds like all the awful bands that try to do the same thing
>>730070693I think they could make it work if they focused on lower-budget games with stylized graphics.Also the worlds of FF15 and 16 are so boring, FF13 might've been a shit game, but the world it took place in was truly fantastical.
>>730072096My point is that left look terrible. Like a RPG Maker game. Looks cheap as hell and bad.
God the 4 Complete Collection sprites look like total shit. Worse than the spell effects.
>>730070952Actually FFXVI outsold Rebirth 2x over with half the budget. XVI was profitable week one.
>>730071067ShhhThat's privy information. They might actually learn something about this retarded ass company instead of pretending they're as successful as they were two decades ago.
>>730072062Making money from Sony's handouts isn't the same as making money from your army of die-hard fans like they did in the 90s and early 2000s
>>730072270>XVI was profitable week oneNo way.https://wccftech.com/final-fantasy-xvi-underperformed-disappointing-profits/
>>730072190It only looks cheap because a cheap product is what you're more familiar with, like a a high frame rate video looking "cheap" because you associate it with soap operas instead of the stuttery/smeary 24fps of a "expensive' movie.
>>730072462Yes way. XVI only had a 60M budget.
>>730070693rebirth is the best rpg this generation so far
>>730070693>fire tabata (if he's somehow still at the company)>if they can't find anyone who can filter out his retarded ideas from his brilliant stuff only give nomura a character design position>put everything good about each previous (successful) FF on a screen and everything bad about them in another>hire a actually competent writer from novels or something and have him brainstorm from the good part about the story of the previous gamesTLDR: do what they already did with IX again. (I just woke up and i have the biggest hangover of my life and i can't write shit properly because of the headache but i hope you tards can understand what i wrote)
>>730070693Maybe, just maybe, SE took notes when they saw BG3, E33 and other turn based games were well received.But honestly, besides FF and KH, SE is doing good or even great depending on the IP or the business, they not only make FF games after all.
>>730072480nta but it plain looks bad all on its own.psp 4 does not look good
>>730071898Kid Rydia was awesome. Her becoming an adult was cool. Adult Rydia as a character was pretty lame.
>>730072540Best Ubisoft game maybe
>>730072604>Maybe, just maybe, SE took notes when they saw BG3, E33 and other turn based games were well received.Thing is though that E33 was received well but did not sell more than FF.BG3 definitely sold a lot more than FF, but the reasons it did well was not because it was turn-based. It was other things.However, it proved that turn-based is not a deal breaker. FF's problems are deeper than whether it's turn-based or not, those need to be resolved first, then we can look at turn-based.This might be a hot take not sure, but Bravely Default 2 was turn-based but bland as all hell. All we'd get with a new turn-based FF is a bad turn-based FF in Square's current state.
>>730072542>hangover>Wake upFrom a coma or something? Has been 8 years since Tabata left SE, and all SE games that aren't a pump and dump gacha, FF or KH, are doing either good enough, pretty good or great.
>the lying schizo mystery meat chigga is still making his clickbait slop after getting exposedShameless
>>730072517Source?
>>730070693>PS3 era FF.you mean the one that killed the FF brand?
>>730070693The PSP versions look way than the Pixel Remaster. Don't even pretend otherwise.
>>730072818E33 sold 5 million + GamePass money.Dunno if that's better than XVI or VII Rebirth but are still good numbers. And the point was that E33 and all the other turn based RPGs are well received, mainstream community will buy turn based games, just stop with the convoluted narratives or the out of touch themes. Hell, SE can even collaborate with Nintendo to make another RPG considering that people now likes turn based with gimmicks, just don't pull another XIII trilogy, XV or XVI stories/narratives, that shit is the actual deal breaker for most players
>>730073002Recent investor report, also previously reported by a Japanese analyst
SNES-era ATB with four niggas in a row is all I want.
>>730073263I said "source", faggot.
>>730073214>look way *worseWhoops, seems I can't spell today.
>>730073263nta but typically there's an actual link to the source
>>730070693I just want wizards and knights fighting cool looking demons. I don't give a fuck about machines, or modern day fantasy or le good/le bad line. Just let me put on a wizard hat and kill goblins for 10 hours, why is that so fucking hard????
>Sungrand Studios
>>730070693nigger
>>730070693Rebirth is being outsold by a fucking Digimon game. The ship has already sunk.
>>730072818>Thing is though that E33 was received well but did not sell more than FF.It sold more than XVI and Rebirth's combined lifetime sales and it did it in 6 months.
>>730070693You, yourself, are a reddit chungus faggot whose opinion is worthless, much like the opinions of everyone still buying SE's games since there are objectively not many of them. The only thing still making lots of money for SE is FFXIV, and that game is falling off in a hard, linear fashion.
>>730073789Rebirth is a year late port with no denuvo you mentally ill schizo. It's still getting a sequel before metaflop and excerment 33
>>730070693The Pixel Remasters just hit 6 million sales. The solution to their woes is slapping them with its dick and they refuse to acknowledge it.
>>730073858>It sold more than XVI and Rebirth's combined lifetime salesnta but no it didn't. it sold 5 million.it did better than them individually, but not more than both combined like you said.7 remake sold more than it as well.
>>730070693Yep. YouTubers are making a whole career out of shitposting modern FF now.
>>730074158Rebirth sold less than 2 million and XVI sold 3 million.
>>730074181kek
>>730073989Stellar Blade was a year late port and hit 3 million on Steam after 3 days. Your cope is as pathetic as Rebirth's sales.
>>73007422616 sold 4 million (3.5 mil on PS5, 600k top kek on Steam)Rebirth sold 3 and a half million (2.2 million PS5, 1.6 million Steam)Remake sold 7 million
>>730070693I'm not plyin lgbtq games. Sorry lol.
>>730074338>1.6 million SteamLMFAODigimon sold 1 million on all platforms and sold more than Rebirth on Steam. You're smoking crack.
>>730073662this is not the franchise for you
If only SE would post sales for Redditbirth like they did for Octopath, and XVI, and Pixel Remasters, and DQ3HD, and Nier, and SMRPG...
>>730074424https://app.sensortower.com/vgi/game/final-fantasy-vii-rebirthit's why square is talking about moving away from exclusives and following the capcom model. a lot of people skipped out on the ps5 version to wait for it to come to PC. still a lot less than 7 remake though overall, so they're still in trouble.
>>730070693the PR sprites are so shit for the SNES games i don't understandceles and rosa are almost identical
>>730074539That same site puts Digimon at 560k when Steam has confirmed it outsold Rebirth.https://store.steampowered.com/charts/bestofyear/2025?tab=1
>>730071898Ah, sexy summoners
>>730074785Steam is revenue based and Redditbirth has been on sale for $15 since launch so it has more units sold, but less revenue.
>>730070952>$270 million in sales>$190 million in profitsSaved by mobileslop
>>730074946I'm surprised to see CotC doing that well. Playing Octopath 0 has made me kind of regret sleeping on it.
>>730074785>>730074941plus Digimon has more DLC to sell (30 dollars for season pass, not counting costume packs). redditbirth had an extra 10 dollars for deluxe if people wanted it.
>>7300747852024>ff16 fails to meet bronze standard >metaphor does2024>rebirth fails to meet bronze standard>digimon doesMaybe the turn based guys are onto something.
>>730070693ff has only had like 3 good games, it's a retarded series to give a shit about
>>730074313>porn game>not a sequel so no barrier to entryRebirth will get a new game before your dogshit series.
>>730073662Sadly, what you ask for is pretty rare, even Pen & Paper RPGs mix medieval fantasy with Sci-Fi. But well, if you don't mind the challenge, just play Wizardry, the first game got a remake and Is just that, a party of wizards, fighters, everything in between and a rogue fighting demons to recover an amulet, the game doesn't give a shit if you're good or evil or why do you want the amulet, just kill the endless hordes of demons until you complete your mission
>>730073510NTA, but it’s in the slide show/hit piece by that group of Singaporean activist investors who hold the 2nd biggest stake in SE. They never revealed where they got their numbers though and other sales figures in the slide show have been questioned by industry analysts.
>>730071048>muh grafixis retarded nigger shit to begin with, and shit that is only cared about by tertiaries who don't fucking play, let alone buy, videogames anywaysmake a good fucking game first, fuck the rest
>>730075226Mad that Tifa didn't have enough sex appeal to move 2 million copies?
>>730072190>"it looks 'cheap'"i really love that the gates to /v/ were left open for faggot fucking redditor tertiary niggers who don't play videogames to come in here and talk about games as if they are fucking status sy,bols and never say a single applicable word about the FUCKING GAMEPLAY, YOU HYLIC ASS NIGGER
>>730075368they really spammed those bikini threads for months just to flop and lose goty to metaphor and sell less than stellar blade
>>730070693Whatever they do I hope they don't go back to turn-based. They nailed combat in 7R and they should keep iterating and building upon it, it's not the combat they're screwing up on, going back to turn-based isn't gonna magically fix their games. I think it would only make them worse.
>>730074181>>730075462Why is Markiplier dog piling flop fantasy?
seething at Final Fantasy won't get your dogshit royal edition uncanelled.
>>730075151Jap boomers are hard headed. They refuse to admit defeat and commit seppuku like their ancestors.
>>730075369while you're chimping out over there, it should be noted that both the games have the same gameplay.but the left psp ones looks like shit. so it matters here you simple-minded monkey.
>>730075821So your porn game sold less than Stellar Blade?
>>730075368But it sold over 2 million copiesRebirth is still shit though
>>730075368It’s sad to think more people watched her have sex in an Italian parliamentary meeting than played her game :(
>>730075926>raped by a 30 year late port ps1 with no denuvo
>>730076052Source?Square has been pretty secretive about the sales of this almost 2 year old game
>>730074528They are waiting for Remake, Crisis Core, and Rebirth to reach a combined 10 million sales to make an announcement. Remake got them 70%+ of the way there and Crisis Core probably contributed like another 10% - 15%. So it should be coming any day now.
>>730076267At least 2 million on the PS5The PC sales was linked elsewhere in the thread is in addition to that
>>730076267Oops, the 2 million on PS5 part from April 2024:https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2024/04/final-fantasy-7-rebirth-has-sold-around-2-million-copies-ps5-player-data-suggestsSorry about that, meant to link in last post
>>730070952Rebirth became a huge success when it came to PC and Xbox
>>730076575Ok, I'll look for the pc sales, but source on the PS5 sales?
>>730070693>>730070813>can they be savedwhen your newest mainline sells nothing in 2 years its over
>>730076052>Rebirth is still shit thoughits one of the best games ever made
>>730076624>2.21m>demo players includedABSOLUTE KEK
>>730076690Linked right after, I meant to link in the first post. My mistakeIt should be noted that the total numbers are still not great and way below 7 Remake overall. It's just more than 2 million. E33 sold more than Rebirth.
>>730076761The numbers seem to show that a whole lot of people waited for the PC version. Still not enough, but enough people to where it showed Square that they need to stop doing exclusives.
>>730076761>demo players includedNot selling 2 million wasn't just a shit post after all? Didn't see that coming.
>>730076875It appears to be a shitpost. The April 24 one is saying 2 million sold. Not anything about demos, that's specific to the image anon linked.
Sorry, didn't see >>730076624 in time, ignore >>730076690>>730076782Sounds about right. I'm conflicted, because on the one hand, I wanted more of a 1:1, so I have an axe to grind since the gameplay and presentation of both let me down. It's not to say they're not impressive for what they are, but it's not what I wanted and not what I find fun
>>730076697Even worse when you realize that Rebirth cost twice as much and sold even less.
>>730076991Square got paid by Sony to make it "exclusive" lmao, you're so dumb bruh
>>730076970To put in into perspective though, it went from 7 million for 7 Remake (not counting whatever Swtich sales will come up) to anywhere from 3 to 3.8 million in Rebirth.That's a very huge drop, so they're in a bit of trouble. How big will the drop off from Rebirth to Part 3 be?
>>730076957I clicked the source in your own link and took a screenshot. Cope.>>730077120Sony paid $10m at best and didn't even recoup on the 30% fees thanks to selling less than 2 million with demo players included.
>>730073662FF has literally always had robots
>>730077330Ah, I missed that. Thanks>Cope?
>>730077391oh that's not someone in here for a discussion. that's just some weird specific FF schizo trying to push whatever the hell.ignore them.
Reminder that Redditbirth is one of the few SE games that didn't receive any kind of praise for monetary achievements alongside DQ Infinity Strash and that Foam Splatoon game.
>>730077461Oh. Weird.
>>730077128>How big will the drop off from Rebirth to Part 3 be?I wonder that too, based on the consensus pretty much what you saidThey clearly alienated a substantial portion of remake's playerbaseSo they either (in typical corporate fashion) refuse to acknowledge the direction they decided to go wasn't the right choice and double down, or in a very rare moment of clarity realize they're trying too hard to be too different from what has historically worked for themThen again, it's part 3 of 3(?), is there anything they actually CAN do to turn things around?I don't think it's impossible, but I think it's brutally unlikely
>>730077485>Reminder that Redditbirth is one of the few SE games that didn't receive any kind of praise for monetary achievementsBecause 2 million sales is the minimum they required to make a public announcement.
>>730077641holy fuck its Remake fans who hate Rebirth lmao. Remake is the reason the reboot sucks, 50 hours in Midgar. Shit this makes so much sense now, fucking dimwit
>>730070693SoP is the only good FF since 9 and is infinitely replayable. Let them die.
>>730077803Remake is a demonstrably better game than Rebirth though?
>>730077641They can move around how sidequests are handled, because the way they did it in Rebirth will turned too many off.But you're right, they can't dramatically change it too much, it will be the same base.I have my doubts that it will not be exclusive to start as well, I suspect they still have an agreement with Sony. The window will likely be way shorter, but there will still be a period of exclusivity (which will mean slow to hit numbers for those who wait for PC again like Rebirth).>>730077703>Because 2 million sales is the minimum they required to make a public announcement.That would track. Because passing the 2 million earlier on is fine, but even with more numbers after, it's still drastically smaller than 7 Remake which was announced at 7 million units. Putting front and center that it dropped that much from Remake would not be something they'd want to show really.
>>730077864you would think that the people who didn't like where they were going with the series after playing Remake would not purchase Rebirth, leaving only the people who like the time jannies and action combat, so the fact that the score is lower is even more damning
>>730077862SoP flopped even harder than rebirth lmao
>>730075550you might be autistic
>>730077864That's an old image. Rebirths recent score is at 76% now. Reviews confirm that the longer people are exposed to the game the worse it gets citing pointless Ubisoft style bloat, minigames, and Chadly as why it's bad.According to an AI summary anyway and a quick glance shows it's pretty spot on.
>>730077485Wronghttps://www.gamesradar.com/games/final-fantasy/final-fantasy-7-rebirths-steam-launch-was-fantastic-analyst-says-after-pc-players-sent-the-jrpg-port-flying-to-the-us-best-selling-spot-in-the-week-of-its-release/
>>730078017Idc about sales, nigger. I stand by what I said.
>>730078117Based
>>730077862Based FFX detractor
>>730077864its steam, theyll downvote a game because it cant run on their slavic toaster
>>730077803Who's a dimwit? I would award that to whoever insisted on the direction of the whole project >>730077917>I have my doubts that it will not be exclusive to start as well, I suspect they still have an agreement with SonyI wonder about that too, because they made a point of saying at least on a couple occasions that exclusivity apparently isn't the way to go anymore, but they very may negotiate a shorter window with Sony if they are locked inI suspect it will either be a more modest production, or go all out, no middle ground, and either way, will rely heavily on ai to save compared to the last 2 game's budgets
>>730078094>analyst saysDid he say how many sales? Digimon also was a top seller and only sold 1 million total copies (about 500k steam).
>>730078190E33 is the same engine, looks better, and is sitting at 95% with 150k reviews.
>>730078117Jack-codedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guPV7SQGsYs
>>730077864Rebirth is full of DEI in a time where people are sick of it.
>>730078259E33 is a turn based RPG, it doesn't really make sense to compare it to the souls-like franchise Final Fantasy
>>730078219Apparently somewhere from 1 million to 1.6 million.Which added to the PS5 sales would still be somewhere from 3 to 3.5 million, so half or worse of 7 Remake's numbers.
>>730078117>Idc about sales, niggerIf only 7fags had this mentality they wouldn't be the laughing stock of the internet.
>>730078341Analysts here >>730076243 say 660k and that tracks with selling less than Digimon.
>>730078360The difference is that OG 7 is a great game, while SoP is the definition of mediocrity and is only jerked off by a handful of retards.
>>730078323None of the reviews are really complaining about that though. It's mostly just people saying it's bloated and boring busy work and the story goes absolutely nowhere the entire game.
>sungrift studios
>>730078423And the other linked shows 1.6 million (in the thread), while another said 1 million.Which tracks with their sudden position change on moving away from exclusivity. PC sales was not an insignificant number.Meanwhile, majority of FF16 sales were PS5, and only 600k PC sales happened.
>>730078539That link that shows 1.6 is obvious bullshit unless you're really going to accept that Rebirth has been on sale for $20 since launch. It is undeniably confirmed that Digimon sold more than Rebirth and if every single Digimon sale was on Steam it still wouldn't put Rebirth at 1 million.
>>730077862BASEED I know an Axe Chad when I see one.
>>730078360It's just the Remake coomers who get mad about sales.
>>730078667That was explained earlier in the thread, and from the steam charts themselves. That's revenue based, not unit based.Also, that image is out of date. Even that source shows 817k owners now.https://gamalytic.com/game/2909400?utm_source=SteamDB
>>730070693For 20 years straight, Final Fantasy fans have been gaslit that no one wants turn-based combat. That it will never sell. That they’re wrong for even wanting it.Expedition 33 destroyed that lie in a single day.
>>730070813Yes. Problem is their budgets are also the biggest in the entire JRPG genre. Figures that can make smaller companies financially safe for years is a quarterly failure for Squeenix.
>>730070904WHAT THE FUCK!>!?!?!?!!!
>>730078798>ownersSo we're including free copies in the sales totals now?I know Rebirth flopped on PS5, but it hasn't been on deep sale since launch.
>>730078871That wasn't just FF fans. That was RPG fans in general. Lot of western RPGs were forced to do either RTWP or diablo-like ARPG because higher ups and retailers felt nobody liked turn-based anymore.This was a big mindset in the late 90's and 2000's in the West, and happened a bit later in the East. Things have been shifting back for a good decade at least.
>>730070693shut up retardfinal fantasy is in a terrible state, it has been nothing but downhill since 13 and based on what they've put out now even 13 looks like a far better game than they're capable of makingit is dogshitremake and rebirth are dogshit abominations, just because they're better than 15 and 16 doesn't make them anywhere near a bare minumum standard of goodtake your action dogshit with the rpg systems and elements reduced down to near zero and shove them right up your arse and keep going for all eternity. i can keep playing jrpgs from 25 years ago, i have no need to give you money for your new complete fucking slop
>>730078929Anon... it was your own image. Literally just giving you an update on your own thing.You're not coming at this from an honest place, are you? I am blatantly saying the 7R numbers after Remake is bad, I'm not defending anything if that's why you're being weird here. Are you that guy from earlier with the weird "cope" nonsense out of nowhere?
>>730078953>Lot of western RPGs were forced to do either RTWP or diablo-like ARPG because higher ups and retailers felt nobody liked turn-based anymore.Also because RTS was very popular and this was a way to hybridize the RPG genre to reach wider audience. Same shit we saw with "action RPGs" before recent return to turn-based.
>>730078871SE's own turn based games are outselling Final Fantasy.Octopath, DQ, Pixel Remasters, even old FF games ported to Steam are selling better than their action games.
I grew up playing 1~6 they kinda lost me in the psx era. I loved XI and XII and they lost me again with XIII and beyond.
>>730079036You chose to ignore the sales and went for owners. You're being retarded on purpose and I will not entertain you anymore. It's obvious you are mad that shitty XVI sold more than shitty Rebirth. Cope.
>>730078259Clair Obscur won best soundtrack only, not even best art style
>>730078893people limit themselves when they think strictly in terms of budget. MANPOWER is a far bigger problem. you could have 50 people working on a smaller title that could sell blockbuster, or just put those same people on the latest AAA project to get it out faster. squeenix has surprisingly been fairly willing to try out side projects. how do you think we got bravely default, octopath traveler and tokyo RPG factory titles?
>>730079139...Have a good one anon. I'll have a conversation with the rest of the thread.
>>730070693>this will save our dying franchiseFucking idiots lmao
>>730078871E33 is such a blatant ripoff of so many FF games and thats a good thing. SE could learn a thing or 2.
>>730078336Keknta, but I think it's a lovely bit of irony, that e33 basically seemed to do little in "fixing" proven gameplay, where square just can't get whatever it is they're trying to do right>>730078871This. I think it's great>>730079070The devastating part of this all is that square will learn NOTHING from this
>>730074946>pays off your mainline gameslmfao
>>730079265>The devastating part of this all is that square will learn NOTHING from thisNo, anon. They understand how this works. Problem is they also realize they'll never get the same returns from their AAA titles which is what they really want.
>>730079042David Brevik talked about being forced to turn Diablo 1 into real time when it was originally being designed for turn-based, so even Diablo felt that mentality (granted he went on to say he loved what they ended up with)
Do you guys really think FF7R would be better if they swapped out the combat system for a turn-based system? The combat is the least of square's issues.
>>730079338No. Combat is the one thing that actually works in FF7R. Yes, even part 1 with its problems.
>>730079338I think most of us understand that, talked about it some earlier in the thread. Problem is deeper than the mechanics.
>>730072062Blaming time exclusive when Remake sold more.>inb4 there's a lot more ps4 on the marketNOT AT THE FUCKING TIME. PS4 were sold as much as PS5 did when Rebirth comes out. You got no fucking excuse why it sold worse simply because you can't fathom the fact that a lot of fans hated Remake after playing it.
>>730079338no the only issue is Remake was a slog. Rebirth was fantastic and once it was available to pirate on PC it became a lot more popular around these parts
>>730079338Yes.
>>730079252>One more outlet is all we need to get back on track!!It would almost be funny if it wasn't so ridiculous and pathetic>>730079307I think there's those who would've got it if it was closer to a 1:1, there would be those who'd get it no matter what because it's ff7, and the genuine hype around a honest remake would've grabbed more newcomer attention because there's finally a version they could sink their teeth into moreso than the original I honestly believe a legit remake would have done just as well, if not more
>>730079448Problem is you can't really use a game like FF7 Remake as some standard. It's remake of THE Finale Fantasy 7. Of course people would want to see how it turned out in ridiculous numbers. Part 2 is the actual indicator of interest gauged from people who played the first part, liked it and wanted more.
>>730079503>One more outlet is all we need to get back on track!!Anon, it'd be retarded for them not to release it on a Switch now that 2 has the specs. Switch numbers tend to outpace all other platforms, except for specific types of games.It'd be even dumber than their NFT nonsense from years ago if they didn't port it.
>>730079252This is going to work out about as well as porting the mmo to xbox did.
sungrand is a hypocritical grifter that deletes youtube comments that call out his lies.
>>730079252Think we'll see JPG background make a return?
>>730079582It'll flop, run like shit, and drive the few interested people away from the Rebirth port and ultimately be worse than not even porting it at all.
>>730079736Okay?
>>730079582>Anon, it'd be retarded for them not to release it on a Switch now that 2 has the specsI'm not suggesting it's not worth trying, I'm suggesting it won't help as much as they think/ want/ need it to be
>>730072542Tabata has been gone for 7 years dude, they didn't even release 3/4 of the FFXV DLC.
>>730079252Still can't believe they have to rely on tendies to try to salvage some sales. Years of blaming tendies for every criticism just to beg for their help in the end.
>>730079724Do you want them to render all the backgrounds in full 3D or do you want them to finish the game?
>FF1 gets remade>doesn't cause nearly enough of a shitstorm it should have
>>730079808Ah, gotcha. I'd agree with that honestly.
how many times is this dude going to reply to his same single post?
>>730079912it tells you how many players today actually played ff1
>>730077864Remake didn't have Chadly.
>>730079912I played FF1 and refused to play SOP since it's so tonally different.No issues with everyone who loves SOP. It just has nothing to actually do with FF1, other than as an alternate version.
>>730079912desu, if it wasn't for /v/, I never would've heard of thisHow's the combat? Or more specifically, what game is the combat similar to?
What if they had to put the materia balls up their ass to use them haha
>>730076724...to who?
>>730080215Wasn't there a very old Yuffie 3d animation on that topic? Like pre-SFM
>>730080259If someone was more solely focused on combat, I can see that opinion. It's probably the best combat Square has had in a Final Fantasy.The story is pure absolute shit though.
>>730080150Honest to god plays like a side game in the neptunia series, its a cheap beat em up with 50 classes that all do teh same thing with a different color or 'whoosh' effect.
>>730080215Now I will buy your game.
>>730080215If somebody actually had the balls to make a AAA gooner game that didnt have the plot of a early 90s porn, it'd sell billions.
>>730080150Nioh with FF jobs that all play pretty differently. Autistic amounts of loot and character building which turns some people off.Even if you suck at Nioh you can grind like any FF game and make some fucked up busted builds and steam roll if that's your thing.
>>730080349you never even played it>>730080150it's literally nioh but final fantasy. they even got team ninja to make the game.
>>730080519>you can grind like any FF gameExcept 16 which isn't even an RPG.
>>730080391H games are an untapped market, which is weird since most people that play games are lonely ass adults that consume porn.The indie h games that exist are mostly terrible, but people buy them and play them anyways.
>>730080391This has nothing to do with this thread, but seeing her reminds me how annoyed I am that that recent D&D movie will never see a sequel. I liked it. And I liked her character.
>>730080715>but seeing her reminds me how annoyed I am that that recent D&D movie will never see a sequelIt just missed BG3 to kickstart the greater D&D craze.
>>730081010Oh shit, this DID release before BG3. I forgot about that. Could've turned out differently.
>>730074181>More ugly millennials who arrived too late to the youtuber golden era>Not even brave enough to shitpost actually bigger franchises like LoL or WoWLMAO
>>730081010people dont like d&d they like the characters in BG3. remember that wave of wildly unpopular high sci-fi space operas inspired by mass effect? d&d fantasy after BG3 will be like that.
>>730079890>>730079890More like years of tendies shitposting only for them to buy it
>>730081123>bigger franchises like LoL or WoW
>>730080592>what if you can level up but also the enemy will level up so the numbers get bigger but the combat stays the same!Naoki Yoshida - Not a genius
>>730081135>remember that wave of wildly unpopular high sci-fi space operas inspired by mass effectWhat wave?
>>730081208Nintendies did the same with capcom, they thought capcom was against nintendo because their new games weren't ported to switch, but they didn't port them because of Switch being weak
>>730081123Then if FF comes back they can say>Final fantasy is BACK????Like they did with silent hill
>>730081251That's how it worked in FF8
>>730081208>>730081385Don't samefag. It's embarrassing.
honestly i would like a full FF6 remake where they make the green haired one as sexy as they possible can whikle making that slut Celest a trashy cunt
>>730081437Don't kafkatrap, it's a sign of a weak mind.
>>730080349This is correct but /v/ will pretend that it has better combat than 16 or Rebirth.
>>730081385Or the cp spam in Pragmata threads
https://strawpoll.com/w4nWWOoO3nAhttps://strawpoll.com/w4nWWOoO3nAhttps://strawpoll.com/w4nWWOoO3nAVote! Very important!
>>730070693Easy:multiplatform party system Only one game per story. I still think Rebirth combat is good but it would work better for a new game without 7r burden. Fans had to wait TEN years for a remake. People are too old for that
>>7300816025 is my favorite but I'm voting SoP to make this samefag retard seethe.
>>730072542>hire a actually competent writer from novels or somethingModern writers either write YA slop or porn slop. You'd have to time travel to the 80's to find a good fiction author.
>>730081728dude nobody is going to seethe over a strawpoll
>>730081728Neat. The shitposter who made the poll is extremely upset that I'm posting it in other places, and yet he unwittingly celebrated the votes that Jack's game is getting, even though the Jack votes are the result of me posting the poll outside of /ffg/
>>730081774You severely underestimate the insecurity of 16 faggots.
>>730070693Fans are 40 old farts and stopped playing. You have plenty of turn based jrpgs, why not shill those?
>>730080349
>>730081858It's a deadly combination: old fans are, well, old and feel FF is no longer made for them, while new fans have no interest in FF because there's so many other options out there now. Also, it's 16 fucking games.
>>730081841...k
>>730070693They should go back to their chibi protagonists for a decade
>>730071067Anon... you're not supposed to zoom out... I'm trying to get them to buy my fucking bags.
>>730081801Idk what any of that means but I'll take it as my vote already has someone seething. Also the poll is private which means they don't want everyone to see King of /v/, Jack Garland's game win.
>>730081010>It just missed BG3 to kickstart the greater D&D craze.Stranger Things kept D&D alive, despite Hasbro's best attempts to bury it. They would get big boosts in sales every time a season dropped. Now the show is over. Almost no one bought the new edition. They just shitcanned their awful online component (they basically wanted D&D to be a live service game) that was supposed to support D&D going forward. Most people are abandoning ship for OSR games like Shadowdark.
>>730081958>They should go back to their chibi protagonists for a decadeI think that was a big disagreement internally at Square in the PSX era. Sakaguchi wanted to keep the chibi style, Kitase wanted to go more "realistic".FF7 was a sort of compromise. 8 was full realistic. 9 was back to old-style, but 3d.
>>730082000>Most people are abandoning ship for OSR games like Shadowdark.kek no. even the most diehard OSR fans know this isn't true.
>>730082000>They just shitcanned their awful online componentThey shitcanned their 3d tabletop component. Their other virtual tabletop resources (yes, they were doing 2 at the same time because WotC is managed by legit retards) is still up and running within D&D Beyond.They're literally stumbling through success, despite them being morons.
>>730082000Hasbro has given up on everything except MtG at this point, the company would be blindingly in the red but it has one product making a billion dollars year over year, why bother with anything else?
>>730075462that guy's face genuinely pisses me off.ive made sure to block his channel from appearing on my recommendations
>>730081958I don't know. 3D chibi was basically always just a matter of hardware limitations. Especially on DS.
>>730081858Turn based games are selling, but Final Fantasy isn't which is the problem.
>>730076697I'm not remotely surprised DQ failed after the censorship controversy. If Square isn't retarded they could still salvage the remake sales by simply reverting the retarded changes and putting it on sale.
>>730075462Do people still care about metaphor?
They are fine but they need to keep budgets/scope in check more often. Its wild how long DQ12 has been taking.
>>730082234Then move on to those jrpgs then
>>73008225995% of people don't know anything about that anon. Dragon Quest simply doesn't sell that well outside Japan.
>>730082337Thread is about fixing FF. This isn't your hug box.
>>730075368The funny thing is that she has enough sex appeal to move 20 million copies, but Square won't take advantage of that and will instead de-sexify her for good boy points on social media. Nier went from being a niche franchise to mainstream on the basis of 2B's ass, so it's not like Square doesn't know the power of sexo.
>suddenly the thread is alive to seethe at sebby, turn-based, and sopIndia must have woke up which means it's well past my bedtime.
>>730079912>FF1 gets remadeI thought it was a prequel?
>>730082431Kaine is even less dressed than 2B and the 1st game's remake/remaster didn't do nearly as well.
>>730082469>SebbyWho? Is this another youtuber shilling his channel?
>>730070813Rebirth flopped so hard they never release the sales numbers and vowed to release all their games multi-platform (as if that is the reason no one bought the shitty remake) from now on.
>>730082519Yep. It's about style and simpler designs.
>>730082519It's not as simple as "Less clothes = More sales." 2B was pure sex, her ass was perfection and her clothes were attractive. Also, Kaine isn't really the face of that game, so a lot of normies don't even know that she exists.
>>730082370Anon, I know DQ is niche in the West, which is to say everyone that was even remotely interested knew of the censorship.
>>730081728It worked lmao
>rebirth flopped so hard they canned ff9 remake and ff17
>>7300825192b's game was marketed day one with her fat ass climbing a ladder
>>730082613It also had Platinum action game gameplay.Like you said, just sex doesn't sell a game. 7R has bigger problems than just "not sexy enough".It doesn't fix time jannies. Unless you made the time jannies sexy too maybe, I dunno.
>>730082519Kaine looks terrible and her outfit is tasteless, that might be the issue. It's just not an interesting or compelling design.
>>730082678Which is never enough numbers for it to play all that big a factor.The main focus is Japan for DQ.
>>730082780It underperformed even by Japan standards though, Japs don't usually buy remakes.
>>730082519Thats because Automata is superior and 2B is superior10 mil incoming
DQ3HD was successful and credited with pulling SE out of the slump caused by FF flopping. Fuck off with your head cannons.
>>730079252There was a 7R Switch thread earlier and all they did was shit on it and call it woke.
>>730082370>Dragon Quest simply doesn't sell that well outside Japan.Because back in the day they gave it a try and just gave up. They assumed it would do as well as it did in Japan by default.
It's a matter of timing too. Ff7 remake could have sold a lot in 2015 (also no trilogy), but now millennials are too old and zoomers will be 30. Not to mention gachas I don't think even a turn based FF would sell THIS much these days
>>730082000I understand Hasbro has a bigger view of things because D&D is just another property for them, but WotC should be lined up and executed for how they're treating it. It's obvious NO ONE there really understands tabletop anymore.
>>730083285>I understand Hasbro has a bigger view of things because D&D is just another property for themIt's really not, because their toy sales have collapsed hard due to the enshittification of Marvel and Star Wars, which were their big crutches for a very long time. Now the whole company is supported by MtG cards and nothing more.
>>730071067That's due to a share split which shitty yahoo charts don't account for.
>>730070962That would be more appealing than anything they have done the last 20 year.The Dragon Quest XI pixel version cut corners and the game itself is the worst in the series so I didn't end up replaying the entire thing in that version. All the little side areas are copy pastes of the same screen. Still fucking better than any of the 'avoid all encounters until you see metal slimes' versions.Of course their pixel remasters of 1-6 are the worst version to play so there is that to consider.
>>730070952>add gays and interracial couples>both games flop hardERHMMMMM, XISTERS?!?!??!
>>730072190Most of the best JRPG of the last 20 years are rpg maker games or may as well be. The only one that wasn't is Rance Quest.Genre is so fucking dead most people don't even know what it means and think it's every japanese game with numbers.
>>730070693playing FF16 right now for the first time and holy fuck why are the UI elements so freaking small? How come no one ever complained about this? It's like shit was made for ants. And the game's so fucking dark too you can barely see anything. Even if you increase the brightness all it does it turn the grey-blacks even greyer. It does not help at all. Going from FF7R to FF16 with the shit frame-rate, tiny UI and fonts, dark as shit you can barely see anything it's such a massive downgrade and inferior experience.
>>730072542>story>writinglmao you tards are never going to fix jrpg. AI will do it because the people who actually give a shit overlap pretty well.
>>730084371>Most of the best JRPG of the last 20 years are rpg maker games or may as well be. The only one that wasn't is Rance Quest.That's just because JRPG genre is a very static one. Go back 30 years and you'll be right at home, production level differences aside. What you can do with RPG Maker today was cutting edge back when FF6 was doing it, for example.
>>730084416why does sydney always have that retarded look on he face? her IQ must be 3
StrangerofChrono
>>730070904ButbI kept seeing threads be made about how nintendos stock price is going down
>>730079252That dog shit is going nowhere near my Switch 2.
>>730084605>her IQ must be 3Anon, stop, I can't fap right now, I've got work soon.
>>730079338And mute dialogue.
>>730085049imagine marrying a dumb woman and needing to do all the house work cause she jus drools on everything
>>730079912What shitstorm, it was some kind of miracle considering everyone involved has only made garbage otherwise. Even the story was great.
>>730079252>buying the worst possible version of a bad gameHuh? Why would you do this?You could get a superior version on PC or PS5 right now. You could even pirate it for your PC right now and have a better version than this "game key" on switch that runs at 30fps with drops.
>>730080519>you can make busted builds and steamrollFucking doubt. Game is hard as balls and if you die your mp drops making it even harder. It's so much easier killing a boss when you first reach it than if you die even once. If you don't meet the skill check you are getting filtered.
>>730082259Why would the 10th re-release of a fucking NES game sell at all? Why do you for some reason think a 16x16 NES sprite is sexually alluring?
>>730082812DQ3 placed on the charts for multiple weeks. Where the fuck is this flop narrative coming from?
>>730070813>I don't understand how production worksYou need to be 18 to post here, you stupid faggot
>>730072062Stellar Blade was timed exclusive and locked to PS5 and it still sold more than FF16 and Stillbirth.Exact same release schedule as FF16, over a year later from the PS5 release yet FF16 had 27k maximum players on Steam, Stellar Blade had 190k+.
>>730082431I was going to post about how Nier was also pretty decent as a game, but then I remembered that most people didn't even talk about the bait and switch half-way through the game, so clearly no one actually played itKek
>>730074181Sebby is great, the amount of seethe he creates from tranny ff fans is amazing.
>>730075462kek I remember that, all they had were Tida in a bikini on repeat because the actual game was dogshit.
>>730071898How old were you when you realised her name is just Lydia
>>730072604No japanese game ever came close to BG3's sheer cheese-open tactical design
>>730070813This.Haters gonna hate. It is a mental illness at this point.
>>730070904>sega>-20%>zero hateThey have nothing to worry about, because the mentally ill turn-based boomer brigade likes turn-slop.
>>730071067>t.fucking retard lying on the internet
>>730090732I noticed you didn't list why the stock price has been increasing over 2025. Stocks are real. If you recognise the picture I posted then you will know exactly what I mean, if you don't then you have no idea what you're talking about regarding the increase in stock price of Square Enix.
back to turn basedback to scifi meets real life meets fantasystop chasing trendsmake epic operas
>>730090972just take FFX combat system and make a new game, for fuck sake
>>730091101based
>>730089060Why am I not surprised that the you are cherry picking and not mentioning any of the other time-based console exclusives. Rebirth actually did relatively well.
>>730089060>be turn-tranny>compare Rebirth to action RPGSo what you're saying is that Square Enix should definitely not return to turn-based slop, but make more action games like Nier with sexy girls?
>>730090929Man. I love old school DQ, but yeah the DQIII remake was kinda tone def. Like I think everyone was equally disappointed when they showed the battle sprites for characters right before going into first person.I'm gonna fault the shareholders for caring about Metacritic, though. They should do due diligence and look up what actual people are saying about these games, because journos are not people.
make another game like ff6 where you work with the empire/are a part of the empire and can become a judgeit would sell like hot cakes
>>730081123>brave enough to shitpost about WoW
>>730070813>>730070904How does square still have trannies defending them in 2026? Kill yourselves
>>730070693>posting Sungrand StudiosHE DOESN'T KNOW!
>>730074181>makes 30 dollars in ad revenue for hour long videos>career
>>730091264>I'm gonna fault the shareholders for caring about Metacritic, thoughThey don't. In fact they don't care about SQEX whatsoever.
>>730090570>>730090634Got a big day planned, sport? Same posts again for the next 12 hours I assume?
>>730070693I'm surprised this dumb subhuman hasn't deleted his channel yet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vg6yutR3AG0I can't be the only one who watched this trailer at E3 2010, was getting super hyped up about the next Final Fantasy game only to completely lose all interest the second I saw "online" on the logo.Why can't they just make an RPG again that looks and plays like Final Fantasy? I'm not one of those people that thinks it needs to be strictly ATB turn based. I actually think Rebirth's combat is pretty good, I liked Final Fantasy XII also, I like when they experiment with combat systems, FFX changed it up and was fun, do something like that, but I don't want an action game, I want an RPG, when I play Final Fantasy I don't want Devil May Cry.
>>730070693FF X killed the franchise
>>730091708buuullshit. FF10 is one of the very best.For me it was FF12... fuck that stupid ass auto-play game and its political crap story
>>730091169>>730091243>Cherry pickingI gave you the exact same release scenerio from a similar game to FF16, an action based rpg.That was locked on PS5 for over a year and then released on Steam, and had 190k+ max player count versus 27k for FF16.You're crying that Stellar Blade had more players than FF16, so you're admitting that Stellar Blade, a first time IP from a brand new studio is more popular and has more reach than Final Fantasy brand with Final Fantasy 16.How very interesting. Here's a comparison for a Turnbased RPG that also outsold FF16 and Stillbirth on Steam and it wasn't even close.
>>730070693That haters must be getting desperate, if they have resorted to posting videos of a Gook nigger that defrauded hundreds of people on Kickstarter.
>>730070693How do you even fix FF? They always experiment with the franchise, so there is huge division between fans of each game. Some like the techno industrial aesthetic, some like the chibi medieval aesthetic, some like the pixel art. Then there's the turn based vs action game debate, then random battle vs overworld monster. Then there are probably a lot of people who will say that just experiment with new things that totally different from all previous games. So v/, how do you fix FF? At least DQ up until 11 is still the same franchise and you get exactly what you'd expect from the franchise unlike ff.
>>730091817>O-O-OUTSOLD THEM B-BECAUSE I SAID SO...!
>>730091763Nah, XII was the last time Final Fantasy was good.>stupid ass auto-playIncredibly low-IQ take, like mouth breathing levels. In most Final Fantasy titles you just select attack every turn or roboticly use a phoenix down when someone dies, XII just let you automate that shit and it was much better for it, leaving you in charge of commands that actually matter. Gambits were the last innovation Final Fantasy ever made.
>>730075646I will never understand how Squeenix fucked up FF6's sprites so badly compared to the other games in the series.
>>730092032>ESL can't counthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8MZBUoQt68
>>730091817>find games that performed better than Rebirth on Steam>this is proof that Rebirth floppedFuck off with your brown coded thought. An honest discussion is impossible with a person that is as low IQ as (you) are.
>>730070693>another demoralizing FF thread spamthis shit is worse than jews and blacked porn spam
>>730091708It was Spirits Within, not FFX. Spirits Within flopped, it pushed them into near bankrupcy, so they merged with Enix to save themselves and that merger changed the company's DNA and they've never reclaimed the glory of their Squaresoft days.
>>730092205>Random game performed better than Stillbirth and FF16 You can stop posting any time, I'm loving how deep into the sunk fallacy you're going here now admitting that even a random game performed better than the supposed juggernaut (in your head) of Stillbirth and FF16, of Final Fantasy. You are coping, coping and seething, scalding and malding.
>>730092317>they merged with Enix to save themselveshow long has this false story persisted now, 25 years?
>>730092438Thats exactly what happened.
>>730092497lol
>>730076679Correct.The mods are awesome
>>730075646This chart is wrong. FF3 on PSP was the 3D remaster from the DS directly ported to the PSP. It's basically my favorite port of FF3 and we got a shitty mobile version of that port on PC. Otherwise, very cool chart.
>>730070693>schizos are spamming numerous Square Enix hate threads every dayWhat is going on? Is Square Enix having a major release in two weeks? Are subscriptions for Final Fantasy XVI exploding?Oh right, both are true. kek lmao lmfao loloolololol rofl
>>730092790>Final Fantasy XVI*Final Fantasy XIV
>>730092618I accept your concession.
>>730092697I just had a massive brainfart, disregard. I might have brain damage.
>>730091674I can’t stand faggots like you. I am glad you never got to experience FFXI, it was too good for you.You should try FFXIV anyway, its basically a single player game now, perfect for you.
>>730091817Both games are parry slop and rotation slop, you’re comparing shit with shit. Left is just slightly better because it has some itemization.
>>730092879No one cares about online games, we don't want MMOs.
>>730070693This is your friendly reminder that Sungrand Studios defrauded a lot of people on Kickstarter. Nobody should be surprised that he is now the mouthpiece of the anti-SE turn-boomer hate squad.
>>730092856maybe read up on things once in a while
>>730070693>Is Final Fantasy beyond fixing?Yes.
>>730093178Take your own advice.
>>730075646>redo the pixel art>they're all worse than the original or other portsThey could've spent that time putting in visual effects that don't make it look like a dogshit RPG maker game
>>730070693My thoughts on the Square Enix survey.
>>730092790>>730091908>>730091626
>>730074181He straight up says Square needs to take lessons from Claire Obscura in terms of making the RPG battle feel fresh and not needing to reinvent how to play Final Fantasy since FFXII which has been the biggest complaint towards the franchise. People hate having to learn an entirely new combat system rather than "here's what you know with something extra."
>>730092972FFXIV is not an mmo. It used to be before Yoshida took over it. Therefore it is perfect for a vile subhuman like you.
>>730093521>He straight up says Square needs to take lessons from Claire Obscura in terms of making the RPG battle feel freshBut it doesnt feel fresh at all.
>>730093521E33 is just Mario RPG but with dark souls timing.
>>730093214>A merger between Square and Enix was considered since at least 2000; the financial failure in 2001 of Square's first movie, Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within, made Enix reluctant to proceed while Square was losing money. With the company facing its second year of financial losses, Square approached Sony for a capital injection, and on October 8, 2001, Sony purchased an 18.6% stake in Square. Following the success of both Final Fantasy X and Kingdom Hearts, the company's finances stabilized, and it recorded the highest operating margin in its history in the fiscal year 2002. It was announced on November 25, 2002, that Square and Enix's previous plans to merge were to officially proceed, intending to decrease development costs and to compete with foreign developers. As described by Square's president and CEO Yoichi Wada: "Square has also fully recovered, meaning this merger is occurring at a time when both companies are at their height."sure thing
>>730093521That makes no sense. Clair obscure didn’t make anything feel “fresh” because it is literally the first game in its series. Theres no previous combat to be familiar with and compare to so I don’t know how hes making this comparison. Moreover clair obscure combat is not even original, paper mario did it first and if you want to go further theres also legend of the dragoon. Par for the course for an influencer retard all of them are worthless subhumans.Not even defending the dogshit pile that was FF16, I just hate looking at retards glaze and talk about things they know nothing about.
>>730073662But what about LGBTQ+ and BIPOC overshadowing your MC and main plot of the story?
>>730070813Thread should have ended right here, only schizos keep sayingSE is dying
>>730093032how so? I don't give a shit about his videos or Squeenix, just curious
>>730093554>Still needs a subYeah, nah, not falling for it. Nice try merchant.
>>730093837Wow, its exactly what I said, way to prove yourself wrong, kek.
>>730070693There's no such thing as a franchise beyond fixing, it just depends on how willing the dev is to swallow their ego. It's very unlikely for a Jap dev to do that though, they would much rather triple down and kill their franchise before admitting they were wrong. Hell, after it dies they probably still wouldn't admit they're wrong and would instead say that people just didn't understand their vision or something
I post about how SE aren't dying 500 times every single day because I'm not insecure
I post about how SE is dying 500 times every single day because I'm not insecure
>>730093354Expedition 33 sucks and you're a dumb nigger. The only thing that Expedition 33 is that FF should be is turn based. Everything else about that game actively disregards it's own game design and it's mechanics and visual style suck.
>>730094284>i refuse to acknowledge any game that has a subscription Your opinion was never valid. Like I said before, I am glad you never experienced FFXI it was unironically too good for a plebeian like you. Don’t worry about calling me a shill either, you can’t experience FFXI anymore like it was meant to be, theres no way I would recommend it now that its a shell of its former self.I definitely recommend FFXIV to you though, you can even play it for free and clap to emet selch while playing the entire game solo with 3 npc mooks like I know a contrarian normie faggot like you would.
>>730094570you struck a nerve
>>730094763>i refuse to acknowledge any game that has a subscriptionYes.
>>730092072>Nah, XII was the last time Final Fantasy was good.Ragebait
>>730095275He's right.10 sucks. 10-2 is good11 and 12 are pretty fucking good.13 sucks. 13-2 and LR are okay.The last truly great FF before 12 was 9. 2 is my favorite FF by the way. It has my waifu and I like this kind of RPG progression.
Questionnaire of FINAL FANTASYhttps://questant.jp/q/6K9FPT4N
>>730095275XII was great.
>Octopath games are better Final Fantasy than the last 5 games of the FF franchise >Sell like shit Make you think
12 was great I agree but U take massive issue that the party was 5 humans and a viera.There should at the very least have been one bangaa as the melee bait character and one moogle as the magic one. You don’t even have to delete anyone in the party to add them either just have 8 characters.
>>730094569Look at silent hill. FF just attracts the most attention
>>730090929>there's errors in the product designThis is why games suck now. But at least they aren't blaming their customers like in the west
I liked XIII-2 and XII combat over e33 desu. 12 failed at the story being scrapped and 13-2 is cockblocked by 13.
>>730083270This.Hell who knows if P6 will sell as much as P5 with zoomers being old and gachas existing
I want a offline single player mainline Final Fantasy game that plays like XI but you have a full party, you can swap between which character you're personally controlling like in Rebirth, and you have gambits like XII so you can set up how they act when you're not controlling them directly. And you've got that fucking skillchain chart you have to memorize.
>>730071067>It's easy to go up when you're in a death spiral for half a decadeOf course, it's so simple. Why don't companies just choose to not fail?
>>730093598What, you don't think Paper Mario is the hip new thing?
>>730090929>Using fucking metacritic
>>730094670Nope.
>>730096683I accept your concession.
>>730096607Metacritic has been the benchmark for quality in the games industry for over a decade. Don't you remember that story about New Vegas devs getting shafted because their Metascore was one point below the bonus threshold?
>>730096607>Doesn't understand the post at all>"DURRR IT USES METACRITIC DOIGH!"A baboon has a higher IQ than you.
>>730096750Metacritic is full of shitposters and these days anyone can hire jeets to spam chat gpt reviews to doompost and try to buy a company
>>730095693Octopath 1 sold more than ff16.
>>730096808 Only because it had actual replay value and charm. FF16 plays itself, has one playstyle, and they nuked the RPG elements. Octopath hit the niche FF abandoned years ago.
I don't think remake rebirth combat is the problem, it's being a remake and a trilogy.
>>730096808Octopath 2 was the better game, yet it sold like shit. People didn't stick around for more. If Final Fantasy just did what Octopath did they'd be just as dead.
>>730096745
>>730070962>they need to demake 7-16kek imagine if they actually did thatit would be the dumbest but at the same time also the funniest shit ever
>everyone told me FF7 rebirth sidequests were shit>they always introduce new mechanics or small minigames>they make you interact with the world in general>they always make you fight special monsters, not just random mobs>they always use a party member as a focus, which gives you relationship points and small bits of them interactingI dont get it, what the hell do you guys want? "important sidequests", like, every single sidequest being about jenova or sephiroth? i dont get it
>>730096808ff16 was ps5 only and 1 character only
>>730096349>And you've got that fucking skillchain chart you have to memorize./addon load chainsI'm not even sorry,
>>730097001Cheater
>>730096880>Octopath 2 was the better game, yet it sold like shit.Becuase you scammed them with octopath 1. They took a leap and risk buying it, then it turned out squenix spent about 5 bucks total on the budget, it had barebones systems, it had barely any overall plot, the art looked like shit except for some enemy sprites, and it had nearly zero content.Why would they buy the next one? They now know what it's going to be. And lo and behold, octopath 2 was the same. Marginally improved, but basically the same. The games are worth less than 10 dollars each, yet squenix will try and sell you them for 50+ lmao.Octopath didn't do poorly because of anything other than its lack of budget, lack of manpower and lack of fucking effort put into making it. It is a cheap piece of shit squenix pushed out the door in their "push cheap shit out as fast as possible for 60 dollars" category that they have been doing for a significant time.Meanwhile ff15, ff16, ff14 even, all failed not because of budget or manpower - they were given infinite - they failed because they have no one on their staff capable of actually making rpgs systems, or who likes rpg systems at all, and have no desire to make rpgs. At least the octopath team have a desire to make an rpg.
>>730096905That's a cool image of you. But I'm sorry that Expedition 33 just isn't a good game.
>>730097317OT1 was switch exclusive at first so the nintendo cultists overpraised that shit
They can't save it. Not when they think it's really important to have 20 hours of cutscenes in a 40 hour game.
>>730095693They're not better but even if they were they don't have the household name power of bigger games. Obviously Octopath could never outsell FF or sell anywhere near as well as it could (square sales are shit and old games are constantly more than 25 bucks despite being budget titles etc.).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKTTA90LZ2g
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>>730070693i think whoever made that video needs to get laid.
>>730097794is that Ushijima Iiniku?
>>730097317>it had barebones systems, it had barely any overall plot, the art looked like shit except for some enemy sprites, and it had nearly zero content.Utterly dogshit lying under your goddamn teeth statement. Just say you didn’t like the party member interactions and shut the fuck up subhuman storyfag.Last time I get told alfyns gameplay is barebones by a goddamn gaslighting liar. Let alone the fucking progression system not sucking thanks to global JP.
>>730079912If they had called it "Final Fantasy 1 Remake" I would've had a problem with it.If the Final Fantasy VII Remake Project was called something else, I would have no problem with it.I think they really, really badly fucked up by calling it Final Fantasy VII Remake, when it is in fact a completely different game.
>>730098551yes
>>730070813not to mention square enix is balls deep in manga, anime, figures, tcg, and all that kind of nerdy crap that makes them pick up money with a shovel.not to mention square enix still has dragon quest, and that shit is like a cult in japan.
>>730098561>I think they really, really badly fucked up by calling it Final Fantasy VII Remake, when it is in fact a completely different game.why? its a remake.
>>730070952>FF16 and Rebirth both flopped hard.They both still sold millions of copies each, the problem is that they didn't recoup costs because the budgets are so high.
>>730098553I played it to completion, superboss and all retard, cry harder>nooo it has content trust me every single "dungeon" in the game is 3 screens long and traversed in legitimately 2 minutes but ITS CONTENT OKAY>classes only have like 8 abilities each but TRUST ME BRO THATS GOOD THATS DEEPMeanwhile I can boot up almost any 90s jrpg and have dungeons that take 15, 20, 30 minutes or more by themselves and the game has about 50 of times, and each character will have like 30+ abilities easilyGet a fucking grip retard. I want grandia, I do not want 1/100th of what grandia is for 60 dollars
>>730098734Square Enix just fired one of their best character design artists who was responsible for characters from Garnet in FF9 to Sphene in FF14. Square Enix are retarded to this day. https://x.com/ItahanaT/status/2008163194460942540
>>730097317TRVKE. Octopath is a fundamentally flawed game. It combines the worst of multiple storyline systems like Live A Live with a traditional one storyline jrpg. Instead of going through one story (beginning, middle, end), you are forced to go through beginning 1, 2, 3, ..., 8, then somewhere in there you get to start the middle, then the ends. It is total madness to make a player go through that many intros. No one would even sit through a book like that.Not only that, it doesn't have the gameplay variations that each story in Live A Live had to keep the game fresh.
>>730098932>Square Enix just fired one of their best character design artists who was responsible for characters from Garnet in FF9 to Sphene in FF14.SE didnt fire anyonethe dude leftit is unclear why, he just left, maybe he wanted to do something else and expand his scope, why are you faggots taking simple stuff and use it for political fights
>>730098765Final Fantasy VII Remake/Rebirth is as much a remake of Final Fantasy VII as Breath of the Wild is a remake of Ocarina of Time.OoT and BotW both have Link saving Zelda from Ganon. They both have the Temple of Time and the Master Sword and the Great Deku Tree and Kakariko Village and Gorons and Zoras and Gerudo, etc... so they must be the same game, right? Breath of the Wild is just an open-world remake of Ocarina of Time, right? Except it clearly isn't. It's a different game.Well, same goes for Final Fantasy VII Remake/Rebirth. It's not a remake of Final Fantasy VII. It's a different game with some common elements. Hell, people even often say "Well, it's not designed to be a replacement for the original". No shit. It's a different game. It should be called something else.
>>730095478>He's right.>10 sucksMore ragebait
>>730099006Read between the lines retard-kun. The guy worked for Square for 30 years and left at the end of last year when SE fired hundreds of their staff. Do you need it spelled out explicitly? Read the posts from those others who 'left' Square Enix last year, a lot of them have similar posts saying their time has come to an end, they left Square Enix after so many years e.t.c.I feel like I'm talking every day with low IQ Indians who don't understand the concept of anything unless it's explicitly written in black and white.
>>730098701sank you. another one to my collection
>>730098825Octopath 2 was almost exactly the same thing with a couple of new systems and it gets praised because the storytelling is better.I am not taking any garbage takes from you nor am I going to let anyone blindly believe your faggot opinionated lies.Octopath 2 is a better game than Octopath 1 because it was improved across the board by adding new mechanics to the base gameplay of octopath 1 not because Octopath 1 was a bad game.You are exactly the kind of normalfaggot subhuman that has made it impossible to talk about any game that doesn’t have a pretentious game of thrones story and you will even lie about the gameplay to prove your point.
>>7300989329r really entered some weird hell development. Even the Memoria people posted some weird shit about ff9r
I thought XVI was a really good game and a nice return to form, imagine my surprise online and everyone fucking hates it.
>>730099006>it is unclear whyIt's because 9R didn't work out and he's obviously done. Can imagine wasting years on a project that never even came to be is a shit position to be in. Nomura is still coping with Versus to this day, to give another example.
>>730070693>Is Final Fantasy beyond fixing?Not really. They need to make FF like Zelda and Dragon Quest, de-emphasize the realism, and completely ignore western cry-baby woketards who think their feelings are all that matter. They should also avoid consultants who fuck up games while taking no financial responsibility for the losses.
>>730099298Even if I liked certain parts of it, how is it a return to form? It's nothing like the rest of the franchise.
>>730099251Oh my god you fanboy retard, I do not care that it was a better game - i literally said as much. It doesn't matter, because what it's "better" than is dogshit that is so far below the bar of 90s jrpgs that it is buried in shit. It is not hard to do "better" than that and improve it slightly, it still leaves you buried in the fucking dirt you moron.I have standards for quality, those standards do not alter because "oh well they stopped making good stuff so i guess i have to base my standards on this new stuff". The standards are permanent, they are there forever. When grandia or shadow hearts reaches a high bar, that is the bar, there is no changing it no matter how much time passes or what dogshit slop passes for 'normal' now lmao.You clearly haven't even played grandia if you're crying about "game of thrones stories" and throwing a melty like a retard lolYou have shit taste, and your existence in this consumer market drags everyone else down to your bottom percentile level
>>730093521He started popping up in my feeds for no reason and his takes on FF are just downright dogshit. He almost feels like a fever dream conjured up by all the contrarians of remake and rebirth
>>730099452Crystal plot. Plot mostly about the summons. you do know that FF7 is the exception and not the golden standard right?
>>730099519Its impressive. You talk so much shit in this post but not once say why its shit only that its shit.Sums up /v/ posters anyway, its all vagueposting.
>>730099092X didn't suck, but its massively over praised. CTB was a pretty good battle system and an improvement over ATB, shame they never did more with it.
>>730096915They actually do not want anything other than to feel "important" and "in" on the popularity of FF7 without actually having played the original.I shit you not back when Remake came out the same one schizo kept posting over and over about how he wanted to "explore more of mIdgar" and made his argument sound more like he wanted FF7 to be GTA. Legit wanted to deliver pizzas instead of side quests. It was insane.
>>730092317>>730092438>>730092497Hey that's a good idea. Let's watch Spirits Within. Haters gonna hate.
>>730099632>but not once say why its shitfirst post retard, said exactly why it's shit.>noo that doesn't count those reasons aren't realyou are a schizo
>>730099601>you do know that FF7 is the exception and not the golden standard right?And the older games had much more going for them then "crystals" and FF16 has none of that.Yes the summons being a big focus is the highlight of the game for me but they were never a big deal until the PS1 games and kinda 4.
>>730096915>>they always introduce new mechanics or small minigamespressing square 6 times as it spins around in a circle is not a "minigame" anonand the combat is so shit that it doesn't matter what you fight, you fight it in the exact same way as everything else anyway
>>730099970I'd gladly watch Spirits Within again, its good. I don't know why people hate it so much.
>>730100110Where? You said the systems are barebones sure but why are they barebones?What game are you comparing it too as well.
>>730100336It's a good movie, but it's not a good Final Fantasy movie. That's the crux of it.
>>730100442What, not enough dragoons, chocobos, and airships?
>>730099092I don't "ragebait" or intend to make anyone angry intentionally, but I personally see 10 and 13 as two sides of the same coin essentially. Very linear games with lots of decisions that make the game less fun for me overall.Narratives focusing on romances and generally weak melodrama. A lot of time feels wasted in both games for me, they never truly open up like their contemporaries.The combat just didn't really do it for me, something about how much of the combat feels more like doing puzzles in 10 just isn't satisfying for me. Controlling the turn order in 10 is cool but I didn't ever find this aspect to be as fun as playing literally any of the games that came before it and the story just sorta feels randomly strung together for me. (Auron being a ghost, Zanarkand both existing/not existing/being from another timeline/whatever the fuck it was, the willingness of all of these shamans dying to appease Sin despite the fact that they can literally summon gods and just kill Sin/Yu Yevon at any point in time) Idk it seemed so bloated and tacky to me.The only really cool thing about 10 for me was all the content that the game was going to be originally and the concept art. 13 has equally bad story. I hate the lore because any of it could have been cool if any of this was just in NPC dialogue instead of trapped in the menu. The combat in 13 is also bad but for different reasons.ATB isn't really my thing either but at least I could put up with it before but 13 really just turns it into what is essentially a QTE.The only things 10 and 13 do that I think is cool is the worlds being visually pretty and the fact that they have some of the best music in the series.>>730099790This is more in line with my thoughts I guess. I think it's meh mechanically and I don't like the story which is why I said it sucks. I think it only sucks when compared to other FF games. As it's own game I'd probably give it a 5 or a 6/10.
>>730100537Yes, that's what was expected. It was too Sci-fi and the expectation was medieval fantasy. Remember it released right after FF9.
>>730100416>why are they barebones>no content, dungeons are 3 screens long and 2 minutes long - this includes the "optional" content of which there is very little, 8 abilities per class is nothing>literally mentioned grandia in the SAME FUCKING POSTcan you just not read, are you blind? or are you more likely baiting to waste peoples time replying to you.I do not accept cheap, mobile tier contentless games regardless of who makes them or how much the "norm" they are. The bar was set by hundreds upon hundreds of jrpgs from the mid to late 90s through the early 2000s. Every single game you make and put out is getting measured against those in EVERY single aspect.
>>730100171Yes they also had defeating God. :3
>>730100336Cause people were expecting fantasy and not sci-fi.>>730100442This. If it had a different name other than Final Fantasy it wouldn't have been criticized as it was, but that would be because no one would have gone to see it because having the name Final Fantasy: The Movie is what drew people in. It was dumb move for them to make a generic sci-fi movie and not science fantasy with an anachronistic setting>>730100537That's not what makes Final Fantasy stick out. It's it making worlds that combine elements of science fiction and traditional fantasy into something unique. FFVII is memorable because of the setting, story and characters.
>>730100336ahead of its time and mostly ff7 fags that think they know the franchise got disappointed
>The series known for switching up their styles often gets criticized for switching up their styleswhy doesn't FFtards embrace change? lets be honest you fags didn't buy bravely default so it's your fault
>>730100643You are right that they are similar games as both have very linear progression.Whats annoying is your entire opinion can be summed up to “i didn’t like the story” which is completely subjective. When talking about gameplay you also can’t be subjective and say I didn’t like it as a reason to why the game is shit, you need to say what exactly you didn’t like about it and offer some sort of comparison.You also fail to mention progression entirely, in FF10 every character ends up about the same except overdrives. In FF13 every character has different specializations when maxed out.Also both games open up very late into the story but they definitely open up.
>>730099006>the dude left>it is unclear whyIt's pretty clear why, dude had nothing to work with for decades, the FFCC remaster was terrible and FFCC as a series is dead etc., Square has been bleeding veteran devs like this since the late 90's, the only ones who remain are either people like Kitase who got cushy executive positions, people who really don't want to leave their own franchises behind like Kawazu or Nomura or those who are too buckbroken to care like Tokita or Ito.Itahana is just another SE vet who had enough and just left for greener pastures or retirement, Takahashi did the same after getting fucked over with Xenogears, Kikuta and the Sacnoth devs did the same when they fucked off to create Koudelka/Shadow Hearts, Ishii did the same in the mid 00's after getting locked in the low budget dungeon, the list goes on.I doubt SE will have any veteran devs past 2030, Nomura already said he's throwing the towel after KH4 and Kawazu's going to do the same after the next two projects or three since he's been talking about retirement for a couple of years, when these two are gone SE is left with zero active veteran directors, the only other one they have is Ito but he's been put in the cuckshed ever since FF12 and the only game he actually directed ever since was fuckign Dungeon Encounters, shit doesn't look good for them unless they expect frauds like Asano or Yoshi-P to hard carry the company.
>>730100797Ultima was the absolute WORST part of FF16, I have no idea what they were thinking. FF16 tried just doing Tactics again and failed miserably
>>730101041>lets be honest you fags didn't buy bravely defaultMaybe it shouldn't be 3ds dogshit and should have tried to make a real game bro. The gameplay is not bravelys problem
>>730100537https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CUepYCA4c8Yes, now go watch the intro movie for FFXI, it came out around the same time. That's what people wanted to see from a Final Fantasy movie.
>>730100710So your only argument is no content because the dungeons are 3 screens which i don’t remember at all outside of a few handful and you compare it to a different type of rpg with no job system and rotating party members while also being dishonest about the dungeons?Its not worth it to continue talking you will never be constructive or honest
>>730100967It wasn't ahead of its time, it just didn't feel like Final Fantasy. It took place on Earth and there was no fantasy element to it. It was pure science fiction.
>>730070693PSP sprites are also fugly you retard
>>730091531... what are you talking about?
>>730101324>which i don’t remember at allYou not remembering doesn't make it magically not true. Every dungeon in the game is 3 screen transitions at maximum lmao. They can all be traversed in 2 minutes flat outside of encounters, still under 5 with encounters.>nooo you're being dishonest if i don't remember or am bad at gamesLol. The job system changes absolutely nothing you retard, not only have dozens of games used the job system 25+ years ago, but a job system is meaningless if the game without the job system gives characters 50 fucking abilities and the game with a job system gives them 16 max. Shut the fuck up you squenix dicksucker
>>730101138Or the opening to FFX a year after the movie came out. Honestly FFX works better as a film story.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWYwmM23Sqs
>>730101041Theres a nigger in this same thread saying octopath systems are barebones while comparing it to a basic ass turn based rpg.You really think they will like bravely? If they did I would just call them a hypocrite.I get not liking the lore and story being told via exploration but that is completely subjective.All these niggers want is for another game exactly like ff4 or ff5. When has the zoomer generation ever cared about gameplay?
>>730070693cant be saved, died as Square Soft
>>730101113so it's like a final fantasy game? CAUGHT IN 4K 120FPS SENT TO REDTUBE AND LIVE LEAK ANON GETS BUTTHOLE WRECKED wahahahaha
I just wish FF7 had a remake that was set in a different time period or setting. Then it would make the whole timeline shit make sense. A samurai FF7 would be neat.
>>730101138aiiiiiieeeeee koreans look away
>>730101780This doesn't look like Final Fantasy at all.
THE ONLY FANTASY HERE IS YOURS
>>730101113It's definitely a matter of competency. The talent all left.
>>730101138Jesus, those orcs are pretty terrifying. Like holy shit.
>>730099132>Read between the lines retard-kunSURE RETARDOBVIOUSLY IT HAS TO BE THE WORST OUTCOME FOR SE BECAUSE LE WOKE LE SALES LE SOMETHING
>>730101074>your entire opinion can be summed up to “i didn’t like the story”No.The story didn't work for me and that's a valid point regardless of whatever else I said.I did also find the gameplay weak compared to other FF games. It feels more pre-determined I guess. Idk how else to phrase it really. The fights are more designed around finding out the gimmick of the enemy and exploiting the positioning of turn order but none of this feels as good as just having a big field you can fight whatever you want in. It turns RPG combat into a puzzle instead of a battle with a lot of variables like in other FF games.>When talking about gameplay you also can’t be subjectiveYes you can? All enjoyment of systems is subjective. There are systems I just don't find fun and sometimes. I will attempt to articulate why now but I think it's perfectly fine for someone to be subjective about gameplay. >you need to say what exactly you didn’t like about it and offer some sort of comparisonI don't think I need to compare at all but I'll do it just to placate this stance of yours.FF always has an interesting mechanical gimmick in every game but the gimmick in 10 is that it kinda takes away player agency by making you "solve" every fight instead of giving you a large pool of tools to beat the fight however you want. There is no reason to not play optimally in 10 because there is no interesting gimmick beyond "heres a solid turn order manipulation system".>Also both games open up very late into the story but they definitely open up.Barely. The airship in 10 is as close to regular FF as possible for a game that linear but it's too little too late honestly. 13 just doesn't give me anything like that ever.I didn't bring up "progression" because the sphere grid and crystarium are boring. It just reminds me of ARPG skill trees instead of a standard leveling system. I thought it was cool at first but once you know how to exploit these theres no real variety like you said.
>>730100284how exactly is combat on ff7 rebirth worse than elden ring?it's the same. spam r1 to attack and press circle to dodge
>>730099006Also companies are shifting from having direct employees and opting for contractors due to tax and labor regulations. It’s cheaper to effective have an employee who on paper is a contracted “company”.For the freelancer there are both the opportunity and the risk of not being tied to one hierarchy.
>>730103048>how exactly is combat on ff7 rebirth worse than elden ring?because elden rings combat is a) in an action game, not a jrpg and b) 98% of the time is spent dodging and waiting for openings and c) does not have a fucking stagger gauge to fill before you get to play the game for 5 secondsrebirth and remake do not have dodging, it is not a real component of the combat system. it is there in a technical sense, but it is worthless, the system is not designed around it, the enemy telegraphs and animations are not designed to make use of it whilst a souls game is *entirely* designed around it and every animation and telegraph is designed so you have to use it.
>>730102796at all* instead of all.There's no Job system that actually matters since you can build everyone the same way.There's no NG+ to actually test the systems out after you spent the whole game learning bosses.There's very little replay value unlike most other FFs. Why would I ever go back to 10 when:12 has gambits a solid job system. 9 has equipment abilities which are generally really good and useful and theres a shit ton of them.8 has junctioning which is very odd mechanically but at least it provides an infinite amount of options for building your characters. 7 has materia which is simply just some of the most fun you can have in a FF game. 6 has a story resonates with me way more and a ton of other party members. 5 has one of the best job systems in any game ever. 2 has completely different progression entirely and is super fun, it also is a fun replay because of the simple fact that it spawned an entire other franchise that later did a better turn order system in SaGa Emerald Beyond. 1 is infinitely replayable in it's simplicity and team building. 3 and 4 are at least just more FF1. I don't really like either that much but compared to 10 they have so much more breathing room.I guess my biggest point is that other FFs offer real forms of experimentation. I like the player agency and meaningful progression that these RPGs give me more than FF10s puzzles. Hope this is enough comparisons for you.
>>730101741>doesn't make it magically not true.Actually it does when your recollection is in direct opposition to mine. The question here is whos telling the truth. Thats up to the reader to decide but if I hadn’t played the game I wouldn’t go with the guy calling the game shit vaguely or making wild stretch comparisons but most of all I definitely wouldn’t trust someone that only talks about the story.Many times /v/ tells me a game is shit or has a shit story and it turns out being completely false. Octopath is the perfect example of this. The game wasn’t amazing sure but it certainly wasnt shit. It was a solid 7 or 8 depending on preference, it had very good and innovative turn based systems and very good progression as well. If I am being objective my only real complaints about octopath 1 was the scholar and sorcerer classes being very basic, locked first party member slot until you finish their story and nothing else. The games story is fine or decent and depending on who is reading it amazing even given how the game tries to tell you its overarching plot but like I said before all of that is subjective. I don’t really agree with any of your points on the dungeons or the gameplay being lazy or barebones especially given that the game makes extreme use of itemization, strategy and customization with a very tough final boss as well, moreso than its early predescessors like ff5 and ff3 and no i am not calling those games shit either they are the pioneers of the job system genre so its unfair to compare them from that standpoint but I am of course going to point out the improvements. Octopath offers a lot when it comes to strategy and customization thanks to limiting the main job of each character, cyrus isn’t necessarily the best sorcerer for example and this is mainly because of equipment. Alfyns concotion has an insane variety of. There is value in making combos that don’t look good on paper like making therion into a sorcerer
>>730104931AT ALL INSTEAD OF AND***i'm so tired bros.
>>730102193How does it not look like something from Final Fantasy?
>>730102796>valid point regardless of whatever else I said.Its a subjective point not a valid one. My preference for what a good story is is not going to be the same as everyone else.>It turns RPG combat into a puzzle instead of a battle with a lot of variables like in other FF games.Yes this is the difference between a game having strategy and a game that is just cure and attack like all the old ff’s. The variables are still there, you just don’t want to see them.>Yes you can?Enjoyment and the gameplay itself are two different things. You hate that the game makes you think more hence why you describe it as a “puzzle” even though its a pretty basic puzzle.>mechanical gimmick in every game Example? I don’t think ff1, 2, 4, 6, 7, 8 or 9 have what you are talking about in comparison to 10. You can say the progression is different if thats what you mean by gimmick but that is also 10’s strength and weakness. 10 has very varied party members at the start with a lot of customization thanks to how the sphere grid works but it also ends with the characters being exactly the same at the end of the grind.>every fight instead of giving you a large pool of tools to beat the fight however you want.Ff10 gives you summons, protect/shell, elemental attacks, rikku, itemization.FF13 is even more varied thanks to characters having pre determined skillsets instead of all being the same and adds actual aggro mechanics, dedicated buffers and dedicated debuffers. It is no different to the typical ff flair outside of actually obligating you to make use of buffs and debuffs, which is objectively a good thing unless you prefer simpler gameplay.
>>730096607What exactly would your alternative be? Reddit? GameFAQs? Trolling random forums and imageboards with no idea how to deduce a shitposter from legitimate criticism? Youtube reviewers who are arguably worse than Metacritic? Steam reviews that are 90% memes with no substance? Yeah, it has major faults in that it can be review bombed but it still makes the most sense as an aggregator and it works across all platforms because it takes into account PC, consoles, and mobile, not just one market.
>>730105605All opinions are subjective my brother in christ.>difference between a game having strategy and a game that is just cure and attack like all the old ff’sthis just isn't true and they all have strategy>You hate that the game makes you think more hence why you describe it as a “puzzle” even though its a pretty basic puzzle.No, I just don't like that once they're solved theres no reason to do it any other way. There is no depth in the puzzle, it's a puzzle. You put puzzles down once you solve them.>Example? I don’t think ff1, 2, 4, 6, 7, 8 or 9 have what you are talking about in comparison to 10.>>730104931Yes they do. You're just not a person who plays these.>10 has very varied party members at the start with a lot of customizationI disagree entirely. The sphere grid becomes useless once you learn to play optimally.>It is no different to the typical ff flair outside of actually obligating you to make use of buffs and debuffsthis just isn't true. using buffs and debuffs make fights faster but you really don't need to use them outside of like two bosses in the whole game. The ATB in 13 is not fun. It plays like a long QTE.I don't know how your taste got this bad but I'm done now that I've read this post.Summons, Elemental attacks and Itemization are in every FF game basically.What the fuck are you even on about. I knew you were arguing in bad faith from your first post but damn dude.
>>730103508>Elden Troon defending Soulsslolp content while never playing Remake or RebirthYeah that "stagger gauge" only applies to boss battles and half the time it's about finding out what mechanics/skills work best against said boss instead of just smashing attack over and over. You're welcome to try again after you play the game, faggot.
>>730105006>The question here is whos telling the truth.Easy answer; me because i'm autistic which results in real honesty, with an exceptional memory, and not a corporate fanboy dicksucker with any need to defend subpar products.Glad I could clear that up for you. Feel free to boot it up and go run through any dungeon right now and record it with a timer.>it's a solid 7 or 8Becuase you have dogshit taste and bias to defend - and thus raise the rating - products from people you are emotionally attached to. Octopath is in no world a 7 or 8, unless your scale goes to 100, because it leaves you no room for the wide variety of thousands of jrpgs that are all better than octopath, some by a little, and some by a huge amount. In your retard world the best game of all time is only marginally better than octopath due to your inept scale usage lmfaoOctopath doesn't even hit a 5. If you use a scale that says 5 is average, octopath is below that it's perhaps a 3. If you use a scale that says "anything below 5 is actually unplayable and riddled with bugs" then sure it's a 5, but you're stupid and can't use a scale correctly if you use a scale that way.>extreme use of itemization, strategy and customizationNo it doesn't, the equipment is 90% dogshit straight forward "sword with 10 attack is better than sword with 6 attack", only a small percentage of the itemization has any unique effects to even consider. The strategy is the same for every fight, slap break bar down whilst buffing, deal damage during break whilst buffed and spend bp, repeat until you win. It is every single game with a stagger gauge of any kind, they are identical in strategy because the system has no room for anything else. Customization? It's literally one job and one sub class, something done by hundreds of games previously except they had more than 8 abilities per class usually, it's nothing special anon.
>>730107102>nd half the time it's about finding out what mechanics/skills work best against said boss instead of just smashing attack over and over.No it isn't, it's about mashing your ability that specifically says "builds stagger gauge" lmao, attack is not a real button in these games it is a filler adhd mashing that allows you to select other abilities, and all you do is mash stagger builder into break into real abilities. Every fight in both games, this never differs.>nooo but sometimes if you cast fire it builds more stagger than your dedicated stagger builder so that makes it great gameplay!Retards everywhere man.
>>730106357>All opinions are subjective my brother in christ.Not sure why everyone treats opinions and “constructive criticism” as fact here then, however, when it comes to gameplay you can be objective while making comparisons to older entrees.>this just isn't true and they all have strategyThis is a vague statement. I can also call it a lie because thats exactly what ff1, 3, 4, 9 and to a lesser extent 2, 5, 6, 7 and 8 amount to. You have the option of approaching battles different ways sure but you are not forced to use buffs or debuffs in any of those games nor is aggro a central mechanic.>No, I just don't like that once they're solved This is a you problem.>Yes they doThe only thing you talk about in that post is each games progression system and obsess over the word “job”.Bravely default is my favorite “ff job game” this does not mean I am going to condemn a game that uses different methods. Lastly you did not once talk about the different ways you can approach combat in those games or how the game forces you use use certain things.The way FF7 uses materia is also not very different to ff10. Each character is functionally the same at endgame outside of their base stats and limits which makes certain characters objectively better than others.>but you really don't need to use them outside of like two bosses in the whole game.Assuming this is talking about ff10 this is a lie and you will literally brute force the game with summons playing this way and you will get stuck and forced to grind.>The ATB in 13 is not fun. It plays like a long QTE.>I don’t know how your taste got this bad You say absolutely nothing with this but I think its ironic that you started this post by saying every opinion is subjective only to backpedal into this. Ironic that you’re even saying I am arguing in bad faith when all you can say about something is “i dont think this is fun” and also lie about some things or is “misremember” a better word?
>>730083383>Now the whole company is supported by MtG cards and nothing moreYeah...you may not want to look at Magic's 2026 lineup...
>>730108082>Not sure why everyone treats opinions and “constructive criticism” as fact here thenbecause their opinions are true to them you idiot>when it comes to gameplay you can be objective while making comparisons to older entreesyou don't need to do this you retard. every game can be judged individually without needing to bring up other games>This is a you problem.I never said it wasn't you absolute nigger>The only thing you talk about in that post is each games progression system and obsess over the word “job”.you asked for what the gimmicks were. the gimmicks are the mechanical changes in each game. I like these systems more.I don't like the systems in 10.>you did not once talk about the different ways you can approach combat in those games or how the game forces you use use certain thingsI did. These things change your approach constantly and I don't have the time to directly compare and contrast with you (a nigger)>The way FF7 uses materia is also not very different to ff10this just isn't true at all what the fuck are you on about. Materia has so many odd interactions with other materia. Not that you'd know, you've never played 7.>Assuming this is talking about ff10 this is a lienigger I said it about 13. you literally said you need to use debuffs and that is only true for two bosses from my recollection>Ironic that you’re even saying I am arguing in bad faith when all you can say about something is “i dont think this is fun” and also lie about some things or is “misremember” a better word?I gave you explanations you just don't seem to find the satisfactory because you're retarded.I didn't backpedal at all you started with the insulting of my intelligence. Goodbye nigger.
>>730108682>because their opinions are true to them you idiotThen theres no point to any of the drivel you’re posting here if your aim isn’t to post your opinion. Making a debate post then pretending you didn’t post it for debating is just ragebating.>you don't need to do thisWhen giving constructive criticism you do. “I find this more fun” isn’t an argument nor is it a good way to recommend someone something, unless they are sheep and you are an influencer.>the gimmicks are the mechanical changes in each gameYes and I told you those were all progression systems which you seem intent on insisting that it has anything to do with the combat. Casting Cure on ff10 is no different than casting Cure on ff5, this goes for mostly every other spell as well. If you wanna talk about”mechanical systems” then you also have to incorporate combat and more importantly encounter design. It is absolutely true that ff10 forces you to use buffs and debuffs.>I did.You didn’t and you won’t if you do you will just talk about a job system again.>this just isn't true at allIt is you are just being deaf. The main difference between ff7 and 10 is that stat changes from materia aren’t permanent and specifically tied to what you slot into your equipment and each character has its own set of main stats. Ff7 even has endgame material that gives you entire command lists.>said it about 13Then you are lying even harder
>>730109775i think he left when he called you a nigger dude
>>730109923Doesn’t matter to me lol. If he left then good. I am tired of self righteous review tards like that making posts herex
>>730110041>self righteous review tards I think you're more retarded than him because Materia is nothing like the sphere grid at all.Materia is the entire magic system and the Sphere grid is a simple leveling system which are two completely different things and comparing them is wrong.The stat buffs given to you by Materia are miniscule and temporary while the Sphere Grid is a permanent progression system. This is why he called you a nigger and retarded.
>>730110385I didn’t say those two were the same, i called the systems similar because of how the characters aren’t actually different in either of those games and the system itself is what differentiates them. By the end though, when everything is maxed out they are all functionally the same. This isn’t a problem any other ff game has not that it is a problem for ff7 either considering you never get to that point but it is a problem for ff10 because of the dark aeons and penance.Either way it doesn’t change the initial point. The whole dopamine you get from raising each character differently? It hits different once you realize the only actual difference is the characters limits/overdrives and base stats.
>>730110690These similarities are surface level at best. Stat growth is different on each character in FFVII while in X they eventually become the same character. The depth from the Materia system comes from stacking the effects and using the commonly misunderstood Materia Fusion mechanic.I think I must agree with anon that you are a nigger.
>>730079089How did you play 2, 3, and 5?
>>730070693what a pretentious fuck
>>730110041 Fair enough desu, but don’t let the terminally online schizos ruin the fun of actually discussing games. Half these guys don’t even care about being right, they just want to “win” arguments like it’s a PvP match. You raise points, they scream “nigger” and vanish. Classic /v/. Keep posting your takes if you want, someone rational will read them even if it’s not the guy you replied to.
>turn based/ATB>overworld>airship>put some money into it so it doesn't look cheap like their "2D HD" gamesthat's all they need to do
>>730113309That anon is literally retarded. I didn't leave the thread he just genuinely doesn't know what he's talking about. I don't have time to argue with someone who genuinely doesn't know what he's talking about.
>>730113368if it was that simple you'd have called dq11 or ni no kuni the next ffff is more than a handful of aspects
>>730113368>>turn based/ATBWhy? it is 2026>>overworldWhy? it is 2026, overworld isnt a novelty>>airshipSure>>put some money into it so it doesn't look cheap like their "2D HD" gameswhy? so you can complain they put too much emphasis on grpahics?
>>730070693why does left look like shitis that one of the shit psp versions with the shit art styles or something
>>730114421>Why? it is 2026, overworld isnt a noveltyWe haven't had an overworld in a Final Fantasy game in 26 fucking years.
>>730074181Kek
>>730072540look outside is better
>>730093521Wasn't FFXII standard ATB except for being to move in and out of range while the ATB is charging?
>Wizards of the coast made more money in 2 days on a bunch of FF themed cardboard than SE did from FF16 or RebirthLol. Lmao.
>>730115574Because TCGs are a form of turn based combat.
XI was the best one.
>>730109775>guy states his opinion>"YOU'RE RAGEBAITING">he calls you a nigger>"I'M GLAD HE LEFT" is there any person more cucked than this?
>>730109775Do you know what the fuck job systems are?Do you know that the jobs are used for combat?Do you know that these things inherently change the gameplay?Are you just mad that someone doesn't like FFX or are you actually trying to have some kind of discussion?
Squeenix is the most uneven JP publisher to date. Sometimes they release something decent, on PC on day 1 and otherwise multiplat, with JP audio included and using the best version of the games with the most content, for a reasonable price. Sometimes the complete fucking opposite and then crying otherwise. For instance any whining about >Bravely Default II >NEO The World Ends With You for instance is complete ass considering that neither one had their prequels show up on PC at all, to date much less in the best version. NEO even spent time in Timmy's Exclusive Jail even after it arrived. Completely asinine. Even to fucking date, the Bravely Default HD Remaster is still somehow exclusive to the goddamn Switch 2, when it should have come to PC years ago before BDII was even released. I haven't even started on the stupidity that is the Pixel Remasters not using the best/most content heavy versions of all the FF1 - 6 in most cases, or how even some of the best versions (ie the stand alone FFIV 3D Remake) didn't get JP audio for some goddamn reason and takes being modded in. Completely uneven.
>>730070693Jesus christ what a retard. The PSP sprites look like total shit and are artistically incompetent. They're literally "Am I kawaii? uguu" with the oversized eyes, weird head shape and wrong proportions (Rydia's fingers would reach the ground for fucks sake)The pixel remaster sprites are also bad, losing contrast and definition. There's no need to change the original sprites, they already look better than both shitty remasters.
>>730115379It played liked an MMO with real time fighting
>>730118430No, FF12 was still ATB turn based, nothing like an MMO except very surface level because you can move around, and turns are very quick.
