>DLSS 4.5 now makes 720p with Ultra Performance which is 240p internally look the same as nativeYea im thinking Nvidia wins again.
>look! it's great when using a 5090why the FUCK would a 5090 need to do this to begin with???
When can I expect to have the 4.5 update for my 4070super?
Interesting.The 6x framegen is supposed to inject 6 fake frames for each real one, right?So for the price of a 5090 you could have 18 fake pixels for each real one. That's what I call a deal.
>5090>240p>most optimized decade old game>172 fpsholy dlss overhead
>>730438141you don't understand what dlss is you only see it as a performance aid (pick performance) but its actually a fidelity improvement (pick quality)funny only poor people seem to misunderstand this flexibility
>>730438762It looks like blurry shit, I have a 5080 and I always turn it off.
>>730438553Could be cpu bound in this instance too.
>>730438553>rdr2 is unironically almost 8 years oldFuck man. Fuck. Fuck fuck fuck.
>>730438042This shit is amazing, but I only tested it on spiderman remastered. The only game I have on my pc at the moment.
>>730438417I think you can download the beta driver now. Otherwise, the official date is 1/13.
>>730438042uhhh... in English, doc?
game optimization is fucked forever
>>730438141DLSS 4.5 is available on 20XX cards
>>730439009and it's basically useless
If the frames are fake then im not paying full price for the game
>>730439040
>>730439040Just on quality, but you will barely be able to tell the difference on balanced and performance.
>>730439040just buy a 5060 its 300 bucks.
>>730439152see >>730438852
>>730439009With a massive performance hit since they don’t have FP8 hardware. Outside of 40/50 series cards, the new model probably isn’t worth using unless you have a 3080ti, 3090, or 3090ti.
>>730438042Don't care, never turning on dlss
>>730439127DLSS 4.5 takes 7.51 ms at 4K on 2080 ti. The ultra performance model takes 10.6 ms.60 fps is 16.6 ms.
>>730438990You mean 13/1?
>>730438042Yeah no, i'm sure someone could boot up what the game looks like 720p native and disprove it immediately. This looks like blurry dogshit.>>730439007If you want to see the future of video games, imagine a poorly rendered, interpolated boot stamping on your face forever.
>>730438042>I'm upscaling 120p to 4K>dude, look at these amazing graphics that are just like native
>>730439363Damn (You)ropeons.
>>730439451Guys please don't fall for this. This is clearly photoshopped.
>>730439451this is just TAA
>>730438042>720 nativeAnd I think you are retarded and should kill yourself.
>Nvidia shills went from marketing DLSS by allowing 4K on 3060 in AAA titles to upscaling from 240p to 720pYou people should get beaten do death
>>730439872no you
>>730438890>Could be cpu bound in this instance too.>5090 96%It's taking 96% of a 5090's processing power to render this game at 240p and upscale it to 720p at 172 frames per second. If you render this game at 240p native, or even 720p native, on a 5090, you're going to have like 400fps. Or maybe it does cap out with a CPU bottleneck at 170, and instead you see the GPU's usage drop to 40%.
>>730438141Shut up you aren't allowed to bring this up or you're poor (according to a monkey whose room has a dirt floor).
>>730438042no wonder he wears headphones he sets his gpu fans to 100%
>>730438852>I have a 5080>and a 1080p / 1440p screen I bet the blurry shit is your monitor
>Nvidia is making 240p useable>they will soon make 20FPS as responsive as 600FPSThey need to be stopped, they will soon unironically claim that 1 frame per second is enough or that you can stream games with smoke signals
>>730439872He's a benchmarker. He benchmarks extreme edge cases at both ends and everything in between. You are making quite an assumption about a video's entire content from a single frame of that video.
>>730439570DLSS is TAA
>>730439940He tried native with TAA and the fps was the same.
>>730440002>sets his gpu fans to 100%Why would you not do this? If you're using headphones anyway then there's no reason not to use an aggressive fan curve. I want my components to be as cool as possible even if they sound like a jet engine.
>>730440012Nope. 5080 with a 4k OLED.This anon explains it best why DLSS 4.5 is nonsense tech >>730439940You're be better off running the game at native 720p, rather than 240p DLSS upscaled to 720. The ONLY use-case for DLSS is DLAA, and even then there's better antialiasing methods available if you have the performance overhead for it.
>>730440130If my computer wasn't being raped from 3 sides atm I'd show you how TAA looks at 25% resolution compared to DLSS which doesn't lose any quality
>>730440164TAA looks like ass though.
>>730440164I don't see how that's possible. Is the 5090 really that weak? I have a 4090 laptop and I get around 100 fps ultra settings at 1440p. I don't see how his card is not twice as performant as mine even at the same resolution, let alone 720p, let the fuck alone 240p upscaled.
>>730440434>I don't see how that's possible. Is the 5090 really that weak?DLSS 4.5 quality is just absurdly demanding, there's a reason even nvidia tell people to use performance mode instead
>>730438042Pure victory
>>730440434The power draw on those things are insane too.
>>730440506Did you read the post I was replying to?
>>730439067This isn't frame generation
>>730438852Nigger this new version is literally oversharpened, it can be many things but blurry? >>730440274The guy turned off DLSS and 360p TAA was only 190FPS and looks completely horrible.>there's better antialiasing methods availableI wish. DLAA is too expensive now but it's still the only solution in most games. But DLSS Q looks the same also now.
>>730438042lmao
>>730440434>Is the 5090 really that weak?It's RDR2 that's unoptimized at max settings.
>>730440761>DLAA is too expensive nowFor a 5090 playing RDR2??No it isn't.
>using a 5090 to upscale 240p to 720pFor what purpose? Even poorfags have 1080p monitors now. Why is the target upscale resolution 720p?
>>730440865RDR2 is extremely well optimized
>>730440942And yet a 5090 cannot break past 200FPS at 720p. I don't think it is.
>>730440094so you're admitting the op is self-marketing on /v/?
What the fuck is this new dogshit thats being spun that dlss is all about improving image quality?
>>730438042looks like shit
>>730440843the lmao part is how 56ms pc latency with 6x DLSS FG is still lower than 2x AMD FSR FG, Intel XESS FG, Lossless Scaling
>>730441000That's a DLSS 4.5 quality mode problem.
>>730440938the purpose is to stress test the new dlss, it should be obvious
>>730440942PLS SAAR RED DEAD REDEMPTION 2 IS MOST OPTIMIZED GAME
>>730441000maybe stop using every single setting on max like MSAA like a fucking retard, which aren't even covered by preset
>>730439940I’ve noticed really weird results within rivatuner when it comes to wattage and overhead use percentages when using upscaling. You can get moments of really low power draw that also coincide with really high usage percentages and vice versa. I’ve never been fully confident in the overhead accuracy of traditional tools when it comes to dlss. Theoretically, the Tensor cores should be getting slammed here while traditional rendering pipelines have lots of available resources.
>>730441013nvidia shills, unironically
>>730441069Except this is 360p with TAA and it's not getting past 200FPS either.DLSS is a bit more taxing now (which was needed to solve the awful issues) but it's not like TAA is free, either.
>>730438042That looks like blurry diarrhea my man.
>>730441013It's kind of correct, as it was originally a suite of tools that could be used for improving performance or quality based on what you needed. But then Nvidia went full retard on AI generating frames for a few years, so it was shifted towards performance only.
>>730439451Wow just like my real life..
>>730441063>50ms latency thanks to the AI slop frames is OKI remember people telling what a bad choice I was making for buying a VA panel monitor with 5ms latency
>>730441063>my bad is less bad than worse, so it's goodjesus, how much do they pay you?
What fucking preset is best? I have a 3070
Poorfag sneed
>>730441909Wow. This is actually very impressive.
Don't care. DLSS is fucking gayWhere is Reflex 2 nvidia???
>>730438945Time tends to pass quickly when you're a fucking loser with nothing going on in your life. Congratulations on making entertainment release your life's milestones. Like no shit retard, that was fucking ages ago, if you were busy living your life you'd realize how slowly things actually go due to the (hopefully) incredible number of changes going on every week, month, and year. You have no one to blame for yourself. Don't come crying here in 10 years when someone says "GTA6 came out 10 years ago" as if you've never once gazed upon a calendar. Fucking retard.
>>730441901Depends on resolution and framerate, see >>730439121, 3070 is slightly slower in upscaling than 2080 tiAt 4K CNN is enough, really, which is preset E.At 1080p, DLSS, preset J or K.1440p, it depends.
>>730442153Grandma, I told you to stop drinking!
>>730441901>>730442240Oh, 3070 is actually faster than 2080 ti in DLSS 4 and 4.5 upscaling.But what I said earlier still stands.
>>730442082not really when you realize those are fake pixels
>>730438141ThisIf a 5090 or a 4090 need this to run games properly then those games are unoptimized as fuck. Those beasts of GPUs are powerful as fuck
>>730442580jaden smith ahh response ngl
>>730441073Stress test how? He doesn't have a 720p monitor. He's not going to see the 720p upscaled image. He's going to see 720p blurrily upscaled on his monitor to the monitor's native res. This is completely pointless and serves no purpose.
>>730442798anon never heard of 1:1 upscaling mode in driversit's been like 2 decades, anon
>>730440076People haven't realized it yet, butUpscaling = real framesFrame generation = fake framesReflex = real latencyReflex 2 = fake latencyCamera reprojection is not real latency. If you reproject the crosshair on enemy head, the game doesn't know it's there. Reflex 2 doesn't work unless you reprogram the entire game logic, shooting mechanics, movement, netcode etc. to get the same special priority as the camera, and at that point you might as well just optimize the game to run the logic at 3000 fps and only render every 30th frame
>>730438945Source on this picture?
>>730442798You can still see how the programs work from such a super low resolution, it's interesting enough that I kinda want to try too. And yeah you have a no scaling option in drivers, as well as integer scaling which will work at 4K.
>>730441000That's because the 5090 is a real slop of a card4090 was a noticeable jump, probably the best nvidia card since 1080tithen they release this shit that's 25% more powerful for 25% more power draw and is 25% more expensiveliterally rebranded 4090ti but with even more risks of taking fire
>>730443062>Reflex = real latency>Reflex 2 = fake latencyWhere did you pull this from, your ass?
>>730442923>>730443129>hurr durrA monitor's native res, which is the only res it can display clearly at, does not change just because you fucked around with a gpu driver. You're not getting a crisp image. These aren't CRTs. Nobody has 1280x720 as their native res. There is nothing to get out of such a fake "test".
>>730443447I remember playing with 1440p DLDSR on my old 1080p screen before moving on to a true 1440p, I didn't notice any differenceI probably would've if I had the screens size by size but if there is a difference, it's quite small
>>730443323Information provided by Nvidia and logical thinking
Dlss 5 will make you run any game at monitor refresh rate
>>730443795Do you consider rollback netcode to be "fake multiplayer" too?As Reflex 2 uses a very similar principle.
>>730443323Reflex cuts off the render queue and lowers the latency in very specific scenario where GPU is bottleneck at absolute max utilization. (Otherwise it's not necessary and games can consistently have better latency with Reflex off, as long as there's no GPU bottleneck, if you lock the framerate for example)Reflex 2 will adjust the viewport to where it should be if there was no latency, which is also very specific for pretty much just camera movement. Basically it's just for e-sport and the leaked build only works good if you already have a ton of frames to work with.It won't magically turn games that use frame gen to get acceptable framerates to get near no latency, it's just that aiming should feel more responsive.
>>730443062I like to mock fake frames as much as the next guy but in reality it doesn't matter for the game logic since the next real frame has already been calculated by the time you see the current fake frame.Reflex 2 is even more real since the game takes your most recent imputs and actually projects the real result into a slightly older frame. So it's definitely real. But, it'll looks kinda like shit since they have to fill the holes out of nowhere.. but that won't matter for the mentally ill e"sport" players, they will absolutely use it anyway just like how they play with the lowest graphics. I guarantee you they'll all use it and those who won't will be at a disadvantage.
>>730444083Reflex 2 is incompatible with DLSS anyway (as far as we know), the point is to reduce perceived latency, it's not in any way intended to be used for fps gains.
>>730439121you dont need this fucking shit if shit just works
>>730444195fg not dlss. no reason why you couldnt uspcale from lower res. but fg is exact opposite of what reflex2 does
>>730444118so its playing game for you?Predicting your input, its not your input?You are fucking retarded
>>730444315>>730444195fuck I mean MFG idk why I put DLSS
>>730444195Nvidia's end goal is to make everything to be generated, so Reflex 2 not working with frame gen is the reason why it's not out yet
>>730438042At this point DLSS could make a 240p image look better than a 4k TAA image and you'd still have plenty of people online, especially on /v/, just shoving their fingers in their ears and shouting LALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU DLSS SUCKS.
>>730444364It cant work with freamegen at allYou dont have input in generated frames, 4x generation means taking input from 5 frames ago and hallucinating it for 4 inbetweensWho the fuck is playing that game in that scenario, you are algorithm?
>>730444473>You dont have input in generated framesRegular gaming mouse has 1000 Hz polling rate.Even the cheapest $5 mouse has like 250Hz, or 125Hz at minimum.
>not a single video of gameplay itt
>>730439451jokes on you i can play games like this without ANY hardware by just taking my glasses off
>>730443076Pokemon TCG Pocket.1 star (full art) Buizel from the Shining Revelry set.
>>730438042OrOr!I can just use my ps5 and it just fucking works instead of doing all this constant updating and minmaxxing!
>>730444941My PC is from 2019 and I upgraded it for the first time last year
>>730441073And what's the point? DLSS 4.5 needs FP8 hardware to run well and anyone with a modern card isn't playing at 720p.
>>730438141You will need this when UE6 is released
>>730445151cuz again you get to verify if dlss is bullshit if it cannot reconstruct a picture from 240p to 720p, since the same principle carry to actual usecases like 720p to 4K.
>>730438042yuck boost the resolution and reduce the fps to 30
>>730445484Except we haven't seen it carry over. You're better off testing off real world scenarios.
>>730438042Optimize your games, stop hiring jeets to code it in fucking chatgpt and then have to delay it a year because one competent person you did not lay off had to fix it from the ground up, stop with the fucking fake frames.I am not spending a dime on a thing that needs framegen to run at stable 60 on a 5070ti.
>>730444118What advantage? The bullets will still be going to the real cursor location, not the reprojected one. It literally makes the shooting inaccurate relative to visuals.>>730443948Kind of, rollback netcode is commonly misunderstood. Rollback netcode has no logical difference to delay netcode assuming stable ping (rollback netcode allows adding back dropped inputs later, however this is not really specific to the rollback logic but the overall network design of the game). Regardless of the number of rollback frames, both players serve as a common server and the game can only proceed when both players have the inputs ie. after the ping delay. Rollback gives an impression of the game proceeding instantly, but those instant proceedings are not guaranteed, they are just a prediction that can be overridden by a conflicting action. It's kinda neat because in most cases, the prediction is correct, but it will still cause issues in key moments where the latency matters.For example, if your reaction time is 150ms and there's an attack that takes 200ms to hit, at 0 ping you can block it. At 100ms ping on delay netcode, you can't block it because your block will be 50ms late. On rollback netcode, you can't block it because half of the attack's startup will be skipped so you only have 100ms left to react so you will be 50ms late.However, when games are designed with subtle startup frames, rollback gives a practical improvement because it's easier to react to an animation starting from halfway than a startup frame where character subtly changes posture. In a way, there's delay sort of built into the animation. In games with blazing fast animations, the rollback artifacts would become more apparent.
genuinely, why the fuck does anyone need more than 60fps on anything ever?
>>730446827UFO go brrrrr
>>730446401cool it with the antisemitism, ok?
>>730446827For making it not look and feel like shit
>>730446401>I am not spending a dime on a thing that needs framegen to run at stable 60 on a 5070ti.you are not the target audience
>>730446827VR
techloligy for brown, blind, poor & slow "people"
>>730446401>poorfag without a dime to spend posts aislop while demanding games he won't buy be developed to run on the 15 year old netbook his mom bought him
>>730449547>actually pretending all the kids crying about "optimization" have 5090s and not 1060s paired with an i5 2500k and a single 250gb hard drive
>>730449658I have a 5090, optimize your game you brown fuck
>>730444620wtf are you even talking aboutThose "generated frames" are interpolation frames, they are not based on your input
>>730444083>eflex cuts off the render queue and lowers the latency in very specific scenario where GPU is bottleneck at absolute max utilization.STFU NVIDIA ASTROTURFERwtf is this kind of sorcery now, nobody could do this before fucking Nvidia retards and now they said they they did it WITH 0 proof of the claim and im supposed to believe it?
>>730449658If 1060 guy goes and measure 4k FPS in any gamethan lowers resoltion and keeps same settings in 1080p he expects to get ~400% performance increase.DLSS claims it does just that but with qualityIt doesnt do neitherSo what the fuck is the point of it other to sell you brick with coolers and charge you as if they sold you GPU?
>>730449736>posting someone else's hwinfokek
>>730450449
>>730451037it's poorfags/shitposters that project the hardest. The anons with actual good specs know that framegen is scam-tier tech.
>>730450985Nice shitcoin addresses, retard.>pretending to have a 5090 while complaining about game performance>windows 10 billboard edition with malware "debloat" scripts likely run
>>730438042looks like youtube 360p at best
>>730444872Glasses off is the best antialiasing.
>>730450031That's not even the only thing Reflex does, it's a full algo that optimize frame delivery to reduce input lag, it making sure response doesn't suffer from max utilization isn't the only thing it does. You can easily verify this on an indie games or older games or even emulated games with a 60fps lock and the reflex latency meter. It even reduce vsync latency if you need vsync for whatever reason.
>>730444118no esports player will use this because it'll introduce edge cases where your shit won't hit, just wait and see
>>730451212>coping this hard
>>730438042>everything is blurry
>>730438042You may laugh but 240p looks better than FSR
>>730439872This is how 720p upscaling from 240p using dlss 4.5 look like, on the left is the image DLSS is reconstructing and on the right is how it ends up looking, come on you have to admit this is impressive
>>730451425Verify it for me
>>730453639It is impressive technology. Even people that don’t want dlss to become the massive industry crutch that it has become, which includes me, should be able to look at this and be impressed that the algorithm can be fed so little information from the source image and spit out something so close to native. It wasn’t that long ago that dlss was not worth turning on except on 4k quality mode and now it is making insanely low resolutions possible.
So, can I force this in any game?I got a 4050 laptop and was playing older shit, with this can I run, say, Spiderman, MGSV or Astrobot at 1080p with playable graphics and fps?
>>730438852>It looks like blurry shitNo it doesn't, you're just coping because you're poor.
>>730454951No. The game needs to already support dlss. You can use Lossless Scaling for programs that don’t have support to run fsr or LS’s upscaler.
How do you even switch between DLSS 4 and 4.5? is it just automatic after you update drivers or what
>>730454951I'm confused, why would you be worried about MGS5 having playable graphics with a 4050?
>>730453639why is 5090 having 100fps in 720p in the fucking first place?
>>730446401>I am not spending a dime on a thing that needs framegen to run at stable 60 on a 5070ti.I will unironically pay $300 for GTA6 day one, whatever the fuck Rockstare wants, if the new version of RAGE doesn't suck greasy Indian balls like UE5, RE Engine and Red engine.I just want graphics to not be fake and gay again.
>>730455123Oh, I see, thanks anon. I guess I will continue with Thief and Morrowind then, someday I will have to look at Lossless Scaling.>>730455353Well, I don't know...I was under the impression that these games were heavy. Isn't this gpu supposed to run games from PS3 and 360 era?I tried Batman Arkham Asylum with everything on max and it was about 66 fps at 1080p, didn't tried newer things.
>>730455509>I will unironically pay for GTA6
>>730451212I feel like I'm the only one who's been playing PC games eleven years agoBack then, there was a substantial visual difference between low, medium, high and ultraNow aside from ultra low, medium and ultra are within 20% of each other quality wiseI can use fucking dlss in 1080p and not notice a thing unless someone is pointing that out for me or I just squint like madpath tracing is the only setting where I can actually see why my fps drops
>>730444195>perceived latency>perceived
>>730455565Dude I got 60fps on a fucking rx580 on mgsv
>>730455067>5080 is poorfag now
>>730439451That blur is too high quality, mate
>>730455915Huh, that's interesting, I looked the gpu and the 4050 is better in some things.I guess I'll have to try some newer games then, thank you, anon!
>>730455565>I was under the impression that these games were heavyMGS5 is regarded as one of the best optimized games ever made. Why do you think /v/ cries over the death of Fox Engine every week or so?
>>730456875That's good news, thanks bro!
i'll never use DLSS because i refuse to use antialiasing in any form. i like my edges sharp and crisp.
Poorfsgs coping ITT
>>730455996always was?
>>730438042looks blurry
wait.. which one should I use L or M?
>>730440274post the blurry image you get on your 5080 and 4k screen.
>>730455374uhm, you aren't supposed to point that out.
I play 6+ years old, which I get for 5 bucksI don't even have dlss, I don't want it
>>730457949uh huhand I bet the anon with the 5090 shitting on DLSS isn't a valid opinion either, right?
>>730458010M on performance unless you play on 1080p, as L is for ultra performance
>>730458156>I play board games because I have no way to play video games. I don't want it
>>730458240anon with the 5090 who shits on DLSS is one of the most retarded posters I've read on here.
>>730458286I accept your concession.
>>730458252ok, thanks
>>730442153What a little bitch nigger. Eat a dick cunt.
>>730458308what concession? that you bought a 5080 because you couldn't afford a 5090?
>>730458343You gotta admit bro, if you got pressed enough to post hwinfo i would say you lost already
>>730458343the only anons ITT with a 5080 and 5090 respectively both shit on DLSS 4.5
>>730458405This. Do not engage. It does not matter. None of this matters. Never communicate online unless you feel inclined to post a mad schizophrenic rambling about something and even then, never engage with the people who comment on said ramblings.
All these different upscalers are shit compared to just finding a good old 1440x900p or even 1280x1024p monitor and playing natively at that resolution.
>>730458405I didn't join this convo until I posted "always was" what are you on about?
>>730458410I have 2x 5090s. I use DLSS 90% of the time.
>>730458410>the only anons ITT with a 5080 and 5090 respectively both shit on DLSS 4.5tales from the Mumbai slums
>>730438141Because they need to prepare for how continually dogshit UE5 is. And since every shit developer is using it, we need to make sure the hardware can handle it.
>>730458848>>730458867post your hwinfo.
>>730458715once you go 4k you don't really want to go back, unless you get a higher dot density CRT or something, those look pretty good>>730458848so you just wasted your money instead of paying 100 dollars for a 3060 and getting the same performance
>>730458924>once you go 4k you don't really want to go backare you insane?
>>730458901no, it's not installed, but here's my windows display stuffs
>>730458924I don't get the same performance as a 3060. What are you smoking?
>>730455165Go to Nvidia App -> Graphics and set the DLSS whatever to M
>>730458848>>730459036lmao cuck
don't care about frame rate or resolution, low latency is king.
>>730459187>I have no response apart from to seethe and lash outI love it when village poors do this
>>730459265You have a 5090 and still feel the need to use DLSS on 90% of games. Absolute cuck mentality
>>730459019no? I had a 1440p monitor and thought the same thing, but after playing in 4k I wouldn't go back, the clarity and image quality alone are worth it, but again, devs are dogshit at optimization, modern hardware could do 4k/60fps easily, but instead we get games that dip down to 20s in completely empty areas devoid of any assets or detail, it's insane>>730459120just turn on DLSS bro, it'll turn your 3060 into a 5090
I don't get it, what are they even testing?Wouldn't the game manage 170 FPS at native resolution with that hardware anyways?I remember playing it with my 970 GTX at an acceptable framerate years ago. Performance is the only good thing about this game.
>>730438042Nintendo truly won in the end
why wont my fucking nvidia app update i checked the opt into beta option and restarted the app multiple times
>>730459332The image quality is the same and the fps increases. There's no downside to DLSS unless you're on a 1080p screen with a dogshit computer
>>730459445>The image quality is the samebro you're actually blind
>>730459526I've posted images before in these threads showing otherwise.
>>730459445>The image quality is the sameit isn't>the fps increasesit doesn't, actually the real fps decreases because the ai calculations chug up more resources than rendering the game
>>730459607>i have no idea what I'm doing it's ok anon.
>>730459607>it isn'tpost a dlss quality vs native image which shows how bad it is for you
>>730439121damn it's abysmal dogshit
Why do luddies pretend all the advances that AI gives us are bad?
>>730459364i have 4k 32 inch screen i work at and when i play its always 1440pIf its CSGO i dont mind 1080p for input lagYou can go back, you are just chasing some Nvidia marketing shitYou dont need 4k at fucking allIm not blind i dont wear glasses my eyesight is perfect and you are here telling me you cant go backyou can, but you are so trained to chase FPS instead of just accepting more pixelated image and jagged edges and play the fucking shit you play.,You are not /v/ poster you are /g/ poster.
>>730442153Naw time just passes quickly when you're out of school and even faster if you are having fun.
>>730459703>imageretard, DLSS looks bad in motion
>>730442153I'm not him but I've gotten both my Bachelors and Master's degree since I played RDR2 and it still feels like it was a few years ago.
Boughted a 5090 to play at 720p award
>>730459703sure, here's a scene of CP2077, you can clearly see that the bottom image is blurrier and has more missing details, almost like it's just taking a scene rendered at a lower resolution, upscaling it and then just smoothing it out with ai garbage, it gets even more egregious at lower resolutions, and not only that there's a ton of artifacting>>730459885if I chased fps I wouldn't be playing at 4k would I? >CS:GOok? now try playing games that have actual fidelity and don't look like nexon games from 2004.
>>730460323so what is it you chase for then, fidelity or fps?If its fidelity is only thing that matters to youGET A FUCKING 17' FULL HD SCREEN
>>730460323>CP2077never use that game to do a native vs upscaling comparisonit has forced taa that's pretty fucking shit
>>730460323that's not DLSS Quality. You've put it on the lowest setting DLSS
>>730460904both, numbnuts, computer hardware is a 1000x more powerful than 10 years ago yet games look and run worse in many cases>17 inch screenlmaowhy the fuck would I play on a fucking phone?? of course you're not going to notice shit image quality when the screen is the same size as your fucking dick.
>>730460904both, numbnuts, computer hardware is a 1000x more powerful than 10 years ago yet games look and run worse in many cases>17 inch screenlmaowhy the fuck would I play on a fucking phone?? of course you're not going to notice shit image quality when the screen is the same size as your fucking micropenis
>>73046090427" 1440p is the sweet spot
>>730438042Okay I'm still not buying Nvidia
>>730461218you zoomer piece of retarded shitFidelity on 17" inch full HD screen is same as 4k on 32"Now its not fidelity and FPS now you also need screen sizeYOU FOR SURE ARE NOT NVIDIAN BRAINWASHED RETARDNOYOU ARE GAMERYOU NEED FIDELITYYOU PLAYED WIPEOUP ON PS1 WITH PIXELS SIZES OF BRICK AND YOU KNOW THE STRUGLEgtfo from this board chipchasinbg faggot
>>730449910I'm talking about Reflex 2. Reflex 2 is more about adjusting a viewport, which could be done within the range of framegened frames
>>730461198That was very kind of you to tell that anon that he has a 17 inch dick.
>this terrifies the modern developer
>>730461274yes its is 75 hzyou dont need more and you should appreciate the rig you have and Vsycn cap it at that so your GPU never hits over 90% and destroy itself 10x times sooner than it should
>>730461474I prefer 90hz
>>730460323is this one of those fake gotcha posts where a man on the street has you try some $500 piece of fruit when in reality its 25c? these images are the same
>>730461521anything up to 100 is finepoint isyou ALWAYS want be able to make more FPS than that never under disregarding those rare dipsYour ideal PC is the one that is always Vsync on and you GPU has room for 20-30% moreIf your GPU is running 99% borderline breaking your vsync its bad.
>>730461467pre rendered shadows?
>>730442153I think you're projecting
>>730442153Your parents are dying.
>>730459607>it isn't
>>730461467I dont think 90% of studios know how to make this shit without Unreal
>>730461467VR?yeah actually I suppose it does
>>730461467Realtime lighting that doesn't move is just a poor mans baked lighting.
>>730462476Good baked lighting looks better than Nvidia gaytracingFor fraction of the compute
>>730462409They use the same render tech in CS2
>>730462541>baked lighting is ray tracedlol
>>730453639You still haven't explained why 720p is the upscale resolution. >>730455760No, you're just delusional and stupid. 11 years ago, faggots like you started crying about game performance because developers finally stopped targeting low end 2005 hardware after the 7th gen consoles EOL'd. Then you stopped whining for a bit because the 1000 series was good and even dogshit like the 1060 your kind still pretends should be viable today were both affordable and strong. You're also blind and need better glasses, because the difference between high and ultra alone are huge in modern games.
>>730462339Top image looks blurry. Bottom image also looks fucked up, but less blurry at least.I hate UE5.
>>730462609>it's blurry pure cope.
>>730462586thats what you nvidia induced brainrot readnot what i said but im not a psychologist
>>730462659please enlighten me how they "bake" the lighting
>>730456875It "looks good" until you look closely at anything, which happens at least every time a cutscene plays.
>>730462720We did it with radiosity and photon maps before but since you are unreal engine 5+ newfag im not discussint this subject with you you will start selling it as new concept idea
>>730439009And with -15fps hit so you may as well lower your research manually and get even higher fps without meme ai magic
>>730462836>we did it by using diffuse light bouncing which is even slower than ray tracing lol
>>730462786Because it started development for the PS3. Most of the dated looks in the game are due to vram on consoles from over a decade ago, not from the engine or meshes.
>>730462603>because the difference between high and ultra alone are huge in modern games.in most titles there is little to no difference between low and ultra the fuck you are on aboutyou cant have that much better looking game on PC than consoles have
This entire generation has been browbeaten into believing upscaling looks no different to/just as good as native. It's unreal how much praise this shit gets for bringing your framerate back to where it should have been in the first place while adding a fuckton of blur.
>>730461873I play several games pushing my 4090 to 99% and don't experience dipsMost of my fps dips disappeared the day I upgrade to a 9800x3d
>>730463005>one time precompute needing 256mb of vray vs>100 times a second needing 5090 20gb for 720p upscaleHPV haircuts are truly retarded
>>730463005>which is even slower than ray tracingIsn't that the point? Since it's not real time you can use the highest lighting quality possible. That's like complaining about pre-rendered backgrounds having too many polygons.
>>730462603You're a retarded consommer brainwashed by marketing, the difference between settings was much, much higher today and no, high and ultra are vastly the same nowadaysI play on a fucking 4090 and unlike you I'm not suffering from sunk cost or corpo brainwash, I'm seeing things as they are, kill yourself blatant liar
>>730441909Wait are there people who haven't played a single video game in the last 10 years and are judging graphics based on Youtube compression?
>>730463041>I need bifocals but refuse to get the correct subscription glasses so everything looks the sameGet your eyes checked.>>730463251>you're a [buzzword soup]Stopped reading there. You're wrong and incapable of presenting a valid point because you're also incapable of thinking like a sapient human being. Don't even try to respond. I only accept discussion from people with an IQ over 100.
>>730463373my eyeseight is as perfect as your delusion about the subjectI thin i can recognoze you in this threadyou are simply retarded and dont understand shit
>>730463330Yes, Zoomers don't know about how shitty modern engines look since all they do is watch trailers and streamers, so they can't see the artifacts past the compression.
>>730463241it doesn't have the quality of path tracing so it's pointless
>>730462272Yes, they also somehow managed to make physics objects look great aswell
>>730463373>you don't agree with my utter delusions you are [buzzword] and I won't answer you anymore as I have no rebuttal to offerBury your head in the sand all you want, you're only making a show of yourself, braindead consumer.
>>730463456Do I need to remind you how streaming is alrdy 20 year old thing and that you're halfway past your life.
>>730463486if someone tells you you can have 90% of pathtracing quality for 5% of pathtracing cost you say?
>>730455760ultra settings have always been shit, vid related is from almost 10 years agohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5ZsaavKNR8
>>730463489>aswellWho's Aswell?
>>730463158>dlss is bad>b-b-but i want bake lighting in games
>>730460323Explain picrel. +40 fps with dlss by the way
>>730463547you can't get close to path tracing doing it real time
>>730463563you make no sense retard
>>730440506>DLSS 4.5 quality is just absurdly demandingThe frame cost is less than 1ms on the 5000 cards, retard
is dlss 4.5 only for the 5000 series?
>>730463597okay now put it not in a compressed tiny screenshot on a real monitor rendering in front of you while moving and try not to notice all the artifacts
>>730463543>Amerifats think dying in their 50s from cancer or heart disease is normalGrim
>>730463661the thread is about dlss yet you've shifted on to some whinge about ray tracing
>>730463604Whats wrong with say Atomic Heart?
>>730440130No it's not you tech illiterate retard
>>730463683>he is going around 4chan and calling others zoomers>all while he is 25 years old himselfbruh
>>730463563Are you retarded or a paid shill?
>>730441004No ones marketing to this board full of seething p-oorfags you fucking schizo
>>730463731This thread stoped being about DLSS when you niggers come down under lowest branch of Nvidia monkey tree and started discussing 720p 100fps upscaling on 5090 cardDLSS is a meme, you are retarded and now we discuss Nvidia gaytracing
>>730463732You like the ray tracing in atomic heart?
>>730463814>you niggersus niggers with 5090s?
>>730463561Fuck
>>730463597Now try doing that on a non-kiked game like FFXIV, which can run native resolutions correctly.
>>730463880give it back jamal
>>730463830Do you see the difference in it to justify performance cost?How atomic heart looks with and without gaytracingthats what i said if you forgotWould you take 90% of quality for superior performance and you say?
>>730463974>did you play through this shit game long enough to try different lighting effectsno. I turned it off after about 45 minutes and didn't go back
>>730463974>Would you take 90% of quality for superior performance and you say?You mean like DLSS?
>>730441063You dont see the joke in 50ms at 180fps?60 fps natively has 16.6ms input lag
>>730438042my 2070 plays this at 4k with no issues
Truths incoming>DLSS is great>FG is shit>RT is shit>Modern games are artistically bankrupt and look like shit>Tandem Oled is a must >DLDSR is black magic>300+hz is one of the most significant technical improvement you can get >The best games ever released run on a toaster
>>730463669It’s more complex than that, so /v/ has been sperging.
>>730464079Playing atomic heart without gaytracing in native resolution without need for DLSS or other monkey tech
>>730464153I can't remember. It was shit so didn't play it. Glad you liked it because it looked pretty on your toaster though
>>730464118No it doesn't
>>730464202>our toaster thoughgamer not nvidia marketing brainrotted monkey
>>730444941Isn't RDR2 still 30fps on console? I mean I think the game is an overrated pile of shit, but still, lol 30 fps.
>>730464250>only true gamers have dogshit computersis that so?
>9800X3D - 39%I really wish these performance graphs would instead show the % of the current thread being hammered so you can more easily tell if it's a CPU bottleneck or GPU. although in this case it looks like the 5090.
>1080p>all low>random cfg cmdsyeap itz gaymin time, GRAPHICS fags always lose.
>>730464307I’m sure I could build one from the parts I have in my closet. Can I still be a gamer?
>>730464307true gamers dont use gaytracingthat simpleyou are not playing games you are pixel counting them, some strain of autism i guess, probably green one
>>730438042Looks like ass tbhfam. The proper way to use DLSS or FSR4 is for their AA only.
>>730464360Graphics are needed when the game sucks, simple asArt style is everything, it's all that matters. Some stylesmay need higher requirements the more realistic they are but we've long since reached the point when they're easily replicated once you know when to stop pushing.
>>730464095no it doesnt lmao nigga is confusing frametime with another metric frametime has nothing to do with latency unc
Nvidia wins again baby. Amdpoors get to wait 5 years :)
>>730464395to me it's just a setting. I can run it fine and have it on or off. It doesn't matter to me. To you it's something game breaking which is why it makes you hate it and seethe about it so much.
>>730464509>Art style is everything, it's all that matters.learned behaviour from watching youtube videostouch grass and shietgraphics matter, there is no art-style without itThat being said, good looking games dont have to be computationally expensive if we know that from period from before all of this modern slop bullshit pushed so chim making companies can reduce their R&D for new chips and sell you software gimmicks instead.
>>730438042Anon this looks like blurry garbage, you need to get your eyes and brain checked if you think this looks acceptable.
>>730438042it doesn't even look like a videogame, its blurry as shitjust play at 720p and scale it up
>>730464695The only YouTube video I "watch" are videogames ostAs I've said, we've long since reached the technical threshold point where any art style is achievable
>>730464510>frametime has nothing to do with latencyi can tell you exact native FPS without DLSS on and you say that its not that20FPSNATIVEyou pay for that shitAfter upscaler it goes to 45 ish and with x4 frame-gen its 180-190fpsyou don't know shit about nothing and you are still here talking
>>730459364My brother just sold his 4k monitors for 1440p ones because of the performance boost.
>>730464824It’s not that you would actually do this for real gaming. It’s a test of the accuracy of the upscaler and the fact that you can now feed it so little information and still have it reproduce something so close to native. Native is and always will be superior.
>>730464824native 720p vs 720p upscaled to 4k and the DLSS will always look better
>>730464129this post best post
>>730464686I know what it is, its same as 4k 240hz screensartificial creation of demand for new hardwareIts that simple, some follow it some of us dont.
>force DLSS 4.5 model onto Skate 4 for the hell of it>720x480 resolution>Ultra Performance makes it 160p>It looks like an old school DivX/RealPlayer compressed video in motionKinda trippy. Ignore the framerate, I have it globally maxed at 150 because coil whine otherwise on anything remotely demanding
>>73046543730 trillion tech ladies and gentlemenmuch more promising that making faster raster chips
>>730464254Looks good, plays good. $500 console. Imagine being a frame sissy
>>730464254>Cinematics>Slow, floaty animationsAAAslop doesn't really benefit from going over 30fps.
>>730438141>why the FUCK would a 5090 need to do this to begin with???because even if you have a great gpu, games can still run poorly no matter what hardware you have. slowing the resolution and putting more pressure on the gpu can help smooth things out.
>>730465508The fact it even resembles anything despite an extremely low source input is rather impressive to me, even though it has issues trying to resolve straight/curved lines on surfaces.This is the equivalent of playing Doom 1 with the window size halved, but with vastly more geometry/texture detail to try to resolve.
>>730438141Path tracing unironically
>>730438042Finally, Red Dead is playable on 5090
>>730442153Based.
>>730465437>>730465834leaked screenshots of Skate on Switch 2 just dropped
>Spending 5k on a GPU just to upscale from 240pAre games unoptimized or are GPUs underpowered?
>>730465834That would make sense if we were talking video footage at 240pAll resources for reconstruction on any resolution are in your GPU memory so chill with magic, its really not.
>>730465412You can't run it. That's your issue. You're priced out of seeing games run at their peak. You can pretend all you like that you don't care, it's clear you do because you're here defending your inability to run it.
>>730438042Picture unrelated? Looks like a blurry mess.
>>730439235Even on my 3090 it didn't feel worth it
>>730466346>720p doesn't look like a blurry mess
>>730466039I would have had to lower the settings from everything cranked (besides resolution) to lower-than-PC-low.>>730466283Oh I know. It's an impractical exercise, since any card struggling to run something that badly wouldn't have the extra VRAM handy to do this in the first place, which is why I had a good laugh at the whole multi-framegen thing on 8gb 4000 series cards, since the framegen shit takes a good 1gb of vram to itself.
>>730466420Your video player is lying to you if you honestly think thats what a 720p video is supposed to look like.
>>730466528I haven't seen 720p in 20 years.
>>730444941>PS5That paper weight that is weaker than 2016 hardware?
>>730466621some games work better on AMD, some better on Nvidia.
>>730466334Its no my issue i run everything i play just fine with Vsync at 75hz with perfomance to spare at 1440pWithout FSR or DLSSThis is a you problem and im pointing it out.4k is retardation, no matter the screen size, 1440p was intentionally ignore beucase it wasnt compute taxing enough to be new standard.They picked 4k for you you didnt pick it100hz was ideal refresh rate for monitors that would bring you 10ms at vsync cap without need for diminishing returns "for sure" you can see because you are superhuman while in reality everyone can see them but they also see its fucking nonsensical improvement for demanting x4 times compute than 60fps.You are retarded,You entered game of chasing the dragon of Nvidia and you cant stop, lower your sybertrunk to 1080p , turn off path tracing and play the game, pathtracing doesnt improve gameplay it just sorts out out ADHD or ADD.You have the problem, not me.
>>730442153TRVTHNVKE
>>730466674>everything in my price bracket is good>everything outside of my price bracket is badYou would trade your PC and monitor for my PC and monitor in a heartbeat. You wouldn't have to even think about it. If the prices were equal you wouldn't be gaming on a 75hz 1440p game with medium settings.
>>730466621hey anon, what are the resolutions?
>>730456875>looks like a ps3 game>optimizations include just using low resolution buffers for effectsMakes sense. It's not "optimized" as in made is a smart way that uses hardware extremely well. It's just low fidelity graphics.
>>730466621>comparing gpus when the review tested cpu-bound gamesuhhhhhhhhhhhhh uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
>>730466834I wouldnt.All of the thing you acuse me of is something that you, personally have the problem with, i literally told you i dont need that.I play starcraf 2 and dota nigger i dont care about this modern slop, you are have the problem with it.Everytihng is always maxed out when i play but it doesnt have to be.I play Starcraft on lowest low settings, i play the game i dont pixel wank.You are insane dude.
>>730462339>>730462647If you can't tell the difference it's time to get glasses.Blind retard.
>>730468057one is oversharpened with highpass other isntwhich one is supposed to be good?
>>730468361Plus you need to zoom so much lol. And it\s 2x the fps.
So uuuuhhhWill it come out for 3060 6gb laptop gpus too
>>730465834its so over for amd kek
I'm so glad I didn't buy a 7900 XTX and spent the extra money to go for an RTX 4090. AMD needs to care about customers that don't buy every 3 years, the fact that FSR 4 and Redstone is locked to current gen is so fucked.
>>730462603He was trying to find how much lower both the input resolution and output resolution needed to be so it looked like it was running in a AMD GPU
>>730438042>240p->720p>run it again>1440p>run it again>4k>native qualityi'll be taking a 280k/year (+ options) salary, nvidia
>>730471081Actually, lemmy load it up again and see how FSR3 handles it.
>>730438042>>730438141>>730438852you fags can say what you want but DLSS/DLAA anti aliasing is miles better than the TLAA slop that seems to have infested everything. I'd rather take a slightly blurrier image over TAA tier smear or shimmering jaggies
>>730472565DLAA doesn't have the ghosting DLSS has. It's a false equation.
>>730472565Do you understand already that TAA is intentionally there as base for DLSS?DLSS doesnt work without TAA
STALKER 2 with a 4070TI Super and i9 14900k looks like this on max settings with DLAA on Native. 90-120 FPS stable. Feels smooth with no glowing, ghosting or artifacts. Dunno if theres a better configuration but DLSS on quality has ghosting and glowing edges which looks garbage.
4k 120 native or I'm not buying nor playing your game simple as techjeet
>>730472940>a baseyeah then the image gets sharpened and improved. It doesn't look nearly as bad as TAA.
>>730471081>>730472529INTEL GET IT TOGETHER. All shots taken in motion (hence the slight discrepancies in player position) because fuck letting temporal accumulation make it look 'nice' at a standstill. No those aren't JPG artifacts either, it's like that as well on the PNG I couldn't fit into 4mb.FSR is also cheating by not allowing as low a resolution internally yet still coming out like an impressionist art painting vs. DLSS trying to resolve detail.
>>730442153bodied that fucking freaknie znamy dnia ani godziny, musimy się cieszyć życiem dopóki je mamy!
>>730438042>running 720p on a 5090
>>730473185But it intentionally fucks up AMD and Intel in the processThis is fine?
do some people not get the idea of testing upscalers at extreme resolutions and scaling factors?its just neat
>>730473958How about and i know this is fucking Disneyland type of suggestion But what ifWe demanded decent raster perfomance and that top of the line GPUs must break 100fps natively in modern games?Without software gimmicks sold as performance?
>>730438042>240p>to 720pWhat year is it? who the fuck cares about 720p? And am i seeing this correct, it's using 96% of the 5090 to display a fucking 720p image? What the fuck am I missing? If it was a $100 budget card, running at minimal wattage using magical ai upscaling to achieve this I'd say this is amazing, but why the fuck would I turn my living room into a sauna to play 720p?
>>730466361That’s fair. Those are the only cards that can brute force a semi-respectable response time via the translation layer of the pre 40/50 series. They’re still not efficient at it.
>>730475652I cant explain them hole day15 years ago if either Nvidia or was it ATI or AMD then, tried to sell uncs GPU that is making 20fps 5 year old game, uncs not just wouldnt buy it uncs wouldnt use it for office work if they found them in dumpster.
>>730475486Then we'd never have needed to upgrade from a 1070/1080, because the burden would be on the developers to optimize properly.Still trying to find a modern game that supports DLSS4/FSR3.1 but lets me crank down the resolution to inhumane levels. A little annoyed I could get 128x96 out of TAAU on Finals but not the others. Couldn't use the new transformer model either since the game uses EAC.
>>730475652>who the fuck cares about 720p?Steam Deck users. Too bad for them they're stuck with FSR, while the Switch 2 will look infinitely cleaner as a result of going nVidia.
>>730476135>Then we'd never have needed to upgrade from a 1070/1080, because the burden would be on the developers to optimize properly.And now expand on thisImagine if Nvidia realized that they can have artificial demand for new chips with subsidizing shit optimization in games?
>>730476256They created a band-aid solution to a problem Epic created with late-UE4/UE5. Blame developers for falling for the upscaling meme.
>>730476256https://hothardware.com/news/unreal-engine-4-to-incorporate-nvidia-gameworks-libraries-in-partnership-with-epicexpanded
>>730438042>5090>240p NATIVE>172FPS
>>730475486Stop being antisemitic
>>730438042That's not saying much when 720p looks like shit.
>>730476525ITs not devs, its Unreal itself, monopolizing market, forcing TAA that favors Nvidia and running like absolute shit compared to any other inhouse made engine with 1% of employees compared to EpicHoodwink lasts for atleast a decade now nobody wants to see it
>>730458890Unreal Engine is dogshit because Nvidia gave them the tools to let it be that way. It's an Ouroboros as everyone suffers.
>>730476192>steam deck usersAh? Yes? All the steamdeck users with a 5090 in their steamdeck?Fucking retard.
>>730476641>forcing TAA that favors NvidiaTSR/TAAU of UE5's built-in kit don't care about nVidia. If anything they were targeting AMD since it's what the consoles have available.
>>730473958we need dlss 4.5 performance vs fsr 3 performance
>>730477189FSR gets destroyed.
>>730443447Isn't it as simple as putting the scale/display mode to centered (not fill, stretch, fit, etc) and dropping your res to, say, 1280x720 on a 1920x1080 monitor to see the 1280x720 res tinified on your higher res screen? Like 1/3 of your screen would be black. I haven't had to do it in a while, but you can based on the final output resolution.
>>730475486Raster performance is only useful for gaming, but anything that runs on the productivity side these days uses SIMD or parallel processing which runs on the hardware accelerators the graphics cards from RTX onwards have, these occupe space on the die which in the past would have regular cuda cores transistor which would boost raster performance what this means is in order for your idea to happen just like there is ASIC's which are graphic chips which only have the hardware accelerator part and only do SIMD and parallel computer we would have to get the gaming equivalent version of it which only has "raster" the issue is that no one even cares about it and AMD tried to do that with RDNA2 and it was a disaster because Jensen figure out that you could use this kind of compute for certain gaming task like upscaling, rayttracing, path tracing,etc So the idea that this is software gimmick is kinda dumb when you are paying a stupid price for the kind of hardware that can do this compute which is shipped on any modern RTX card pic related is how much space tensor cores take, in the future though they want for games to actually leverage the performance from hardware accelerator directly so in a year or two you'll actually get your muh raster shit
>>730478189To add to this, this is the lead rendering engineer from Fable testing this new paradigm in computer graphics a shader running on the tensor cores is the future but who knows it may take 1 or 2 year , 5 year or may never come but this is what Jensen means when he talks about muh neural rendering
>>730478068An important thing that I think people miss with these comparisons is both are still bad, even at sane resolutionsUpscaling sucks and the hyper focus on it is exactly what ngreedia, ayymd and lazy developers want
>>730478778The actual truth is, at those actual resolutions, I'd rather just MSAAx4. Too bad no modern game offers MSAA because deferred rendering.
>>730478189>in the future though they want for games to actually leverage the performance from hardware accelerator directly so in a year or two you'll actually get your muh raster shitthey are not giving us raster perfomance now so they will give us in few year we just need to tolerate this now?You are as retarded as your formatting
>>730478068Impressive, there is an option in the nvidia app to set a custom resolution scaling i wonder if you can upscale 480p to 4k or 240p to 4k using that , unfortunately its hard to make it work consistenly amd i have no idea if you can go lower than 33% (ultra performance)
>>730478068They're both blurry dogshit.
>>730478890Well thats the plan, it has been on development and should launch with Shader Model 6.10 on 2026 or early 2027 but then you have to wait until devs actually start shipping game that use these new shaders which are called MLP https://devblogs.microsoft.com/directx/cooperative-vector/
>>730478951I'll have to give it a look. There was a super resolution option I recall seeing on the app, but I thought that was exclusively for running a higher resolution internally.
>>730463743Except it is. DLSS is a form of TAA.
>>730478068Always been the case. FSR is dogshit. Worse than just playing at 50% internal res.
>>730479074I hate those>just 2 more modelsbullshit projectionsIt makes no sense to completely move from raster performance and then reintroduce it while constantly having worse and worse raster demonstratively even in this threadFuck jeetsoft man they needed 20 years to sort their own DirectX and thats when they had white male developers
>>730438852>I have a 5080No you don't
>>730479102i found it and unfortunately 33% is the lowest it can get if you set it up from the nvidia app panel
>>730440843+50ms of latency in games that have 150ms windows to parry or reactlollmao holy shitAnd they want to push for cloud gaming on top of that.
>>730438042Suure... The same...
>>730480015People adopted DLSS as a good thing so its not as simple as you may thinkIf Nvidia markets lag as a feature everything can happen>Nvidia TimeWarp less than a second of global latencyi can see this no fucking joke
>>730480395DLSS was always the "I have a 4K monitor but cant run games in it natively" solution.
>>730480881you are not running it at 4k wioth DLSS
>>730480954No, but when the alternative is raw TAA, I'll take DLSS any day until we're passed this shitty generation of mandatory upscalers.
>>730442153Ummm... Projecting much?
>>730481148Alternative is and always was 1080 or 1440p on 4k monitors, either of them running natively.In same breath most 4k monitor users can play Dead Cells/Terraria/Stardew Valey on their 4k screen but if they see jagged edge in their Valorant its fucking world ending event
>>730438042Regarding DLSS 4.5, the conclusions I've come to on my RTX 4080 are:>At 4K, the new Preset M in performance mode will look BETTER than the old Preset K in quality mode, and give a good performance boost too (preset K quality 100fps vs preset M performance 120fps)>At 1440p, the new Preset M in performance will look COMPARABLE/THE SAME as Preset K in quality mode>At 1080p, you shouldnt be using anything lower than Quality mode no matter the preset, there is just too little data at these low resolutions for any version of DLSS to work with. Preset K wins here as the difference between it and Preset M at 1080p Quality are negligible except that Preset M will destroy your performance.>Preset M's Balanced and Quality modes basically only exist as a last resort for the user to enable if a particular game has too much ghosting - you wont notice much change in the actual image quality from performance to quality except that it can help combat against the amount of ghosting in these fringe cases, or if the game has a poor RT implementation it can help to denoise that too by going up to balanced/quality>There are exceptions to these rules: games with heavy sharpening forced in their engine (like re2 remake) will look super oversharpened with Preset M to the point that I would consider it a downgrade. Games with modded DLSS implementations (again like pre-RE9 RE Engine games) will also suffer from HUD elements like crosshairs getting blurred when using Performance mode, no matter the preset, so its better to use the old Preset K at Quality mode.IMO everybody playing on a 40 or 50 series card and with a monitor 1440p or higher should default their DLSS settings to Preset M + Performance mode from now on, deviating from that default only on a per-game basis due to factors like forced sharpening in a game's engine. The new presets are irrelevant for anybody on a 20 or 30 series GPU and anybody playing at 1080p. https://youtu.be/JBk_X32CJN0
>>730481763When performance mode is sucha universally known garbage they rename everything and everyone is just adopting it as a featureLMAO
>>730481763Did you test preset L and ultra performance?
>>730481763DLAA or bust at 1080p. Annoys me how many games don't support it without forcing it via app.
>>730481763wow very impressive, i've already found DLSS4 to be really good on balanced in most games at 4k.
>>730482167https://youtu.be/7MrK3LC7qzo
>digital foundry is vacationing at CES>since they're not making a speedy video on dlss a bunch of grifters jump at the opportunity and /v/ is confused now that the ultimate authority on the matter hasnt spoken yetstay strongDF will come to the resque eventually
>>730481763For all the hatred of nvidia I have, the DLSS shit keeps getting better and better so I can't complain too much. 3 years ago I was playing darktide with a shitty early dlss filter that had visual artifacts out the ass, now I can play it at 30 more fps without noticing a single artifact anymore
>>730484274DF's been a laughing stock when they backed TAA like it was gods gift, when it was clear to anyone that games that it makes the game look like vaselined shit.
>>730484274yeah most of these other channels' content has been embarrassingly vague and just poor testing methodology all aroundI usually go to daniel owen's channel for this stuff when DF hasnt made anything but even he hasnt gotten it right this time, his recent vid is testing it on a 2060 lol
>>730484425whatdlss properly came out in 2020 and whenever dlss was an option you'd use that over taa
>>730438042>172 FPS at 720p on a 5090how many indians were working on this game?
>>730438417Was just testing preset M on the 4070super myself, feels useless unless you're playing 4k. At 1440p you gain like no performance making it fundamentally useless to use dlss, went back to the current preset K and got my usual 15-20% extra frames, image quality looked the same
>fake resolution with fake frames is now the industry standardawful
>>730484671They were praising it well before dlss being standardized/supported from dlss2 onwards, since dlss1 was artifacting ass that required game-specific training by the devs.
>>730485078fake frames are horrid but I legitimately believe that upscaling is so well implemented by now that it only has benefits and no drawbacks, other than making devs lazy
>>730485534I don't see a point to fake frames unless you're already hitting 120+ natively, and want to make use of that 360/400hz display your paid too much for.The cons at lower refresh rates are too numerous, and too noticable at that point.
>>730438042With the latency of 15 fps.
>>730485929DLSS isn't frame gen, doofus.
>>730485793the latency they introduce is enough to kill the tech for me completely, I hate the feeling of input delayIf they can figure out predictive fake frames I would most likely use it, but that's probably real far off
>>730462339Are you blind?
>PChuddies creaming themselves over console tech what a time to be alive
>>730486268Copy that
>>730486268>AI upscaling>console techwut console tech is just rawdogging and showing you a 480p image no matter what your display is, stretching it across the thing
>>730438945It’s now been as long as the gap between rdr1 and rdr2
>>730486357upscaling is upscaling. your ai gimmick doesn’t change anything
>>730486545>upscaling is upscaling. your ai gimmick doesn’t change anythingshould I even bother asking why you came into this topic if you're clearly an actual tech illiterate and apparently can't tell the difference between 480p and 1440p
