>game forces the player to make a hard choice
anyone who doesn't say B is a miserable fucking crab in a bucket who never achieved shit
>>730479313why would you have the flute if child b made it? am I supposed to roleplay as a rocket scientist that stole it from her?
>>730479313A at least makes a point that she can use it. C doesn't even know what the fuck to do with it.
>>730479313B. C is a third worlder while A is a nigger.
>>730479313The only right answer is rape
>>730479313>hard
>>730479313This image is so fucking retarded.Why would B make that flute if he has no idea what to do with it? The only explanation is that B made it to provide it to A, and if that's the case, why would they be fighting? Also C should be black.
A is communism B is communismC is communism
>>730479313Flutes are for faggots that like Jethro Tull. Beat the children for wanting it.
>>730479374>>730479441A is the best option. B made the flute but what's thd use if she can't play it? It's like giving a car to someone who can't drive.
>throw the flute over to child C and tell him to fuck off>Whip out my skin flute and jam it in child B's mouth while Child A watches
>>730479630>Why would B make that flute if he has no idea what to do with it?to hone her craft in wood working and sell it?
>>730479630The obvious answer is that B made it to sell it. If A wants it, she should pay B.
well if by flute you mean my penis....
Child B should own it, but should be encouraged to share/lend it with Child A since they can actually play it.
Fuck off kids, it's mine now
>>730479313>just choose communism, capitalism, or socialismyeah nah. definitely not C tho
i kill myself for being a nigger and stealing the flute from child b
>>730479698Because B fucking made it and the scenario implies that it was and is still theirs. By your logic, the moment you create literally anything, it needs to be stolen from you. Niggerbrain mentality.
>>730479313I keep it, fuck the children
>>730479770Child d would actually be>the flute was promised to me 3000 years ago
>>730479630A better question is why we have possession of the flute. Did we take it from B?
Typical communist trick that all options are just part of Marxism. The truth is that whosever bought the flute or was gifted the flute is the one that owns it
>>730479313I get the flute. A can play with my other flute for both of our pleasure.
>>730479698B can learn, just like A can learn to make or obtain their own fucking flute.
B, they made it, they own it. It's up to them.
>>730479876>Child D>Dheh I get it
>>730479313i would just keep it for myselffuck them kids
I'm keeping the flutefuck them kids
>>730479646Wrong. A and C are communist because they assume that the one who naturally owns it, B, should distribute it to someone else based on arbitrary wants/needs. B is a capitalist because they are practicing their non-aggression principle in that they provided the materials AND labor for it (implying she is not an employee of a company) and therefore is the natural owner of said item.
Threesome with A and B. Best performer gets the flute
I want to give children my "flute" if you know what I mean
>>730479313Break the fucking flute.
>>730479313I would keep it, correct A and live with B.
>>730479827>my grandfather wrote a book that says god promised his grandfather that I would get the flute
>>730479313Well obviously if we're drawing a parallel to human nature and society then obviously the three adults (representing the talentless, the consumer and the rich) all rape them and take the flute for themselves.Now draw a doujin of it.
>>730479792Nothing implies B is anymore capable of playing the flute than C, so ultimately letting her keep the flute is a waste of her own effort, since she cant play it and will just hoard it as a symbol of wasted raw materials. A is the only one who will make the flute not be as worthless as paper weight.
>>730479876trannies can't help themselves
>>730479614>*takes your gun*
>>730479313the issue is when B has 1000000 flutes and is using those flutes to get more flutes and is strangling all the worlds flutes production so that no one anywhere can have flutes but her.if anyone else even wanted to make a flute they couldnt because they're priced out of all the materials and or flute making machines.and then when she dies she leaves the flutes to her immediate children so the cycle continues.in that case I think a government has to step in and give some flutes to A'sbut also give a handful to C's so they dont shit up society by robbing people for flutes.
>>730479313B should sell the flute to A.
>>730480035Fruits of labor is a core tennant of communjist thought. All options are communist. The point of answering any option is a disingenuous gotcha to say you like communism
A
>>730479698b may not know how to play now but she can learn. and if she changes her mind she should sell or give away the flute instead of having it taken from her
>>730479978B should learn to not make instruments she can't play.
>>730479313I'm not sure I understand what the point of this exercise is even trying to make or even who's asking it.
>>730480019Lol
>>730480120>Nothing implies B is anymore capable of playing the flute than C,Correct.>letting her keep the flute is a waste of her own effort,Not yours or anyone else's call to make. It'd only be a waste of effort if B decided it was a waste of effort>since she cant play it and will just hoard it as a symbol of wasted raw materialsYet she sees value in it, so it's not "wasted" raw material.>A is the only one who will make the flute not be as worthless as paper weight.Worth is determined by the owner, and then by the buyer should the item be put up for sale. Inanimate objects do not inherently possess value.
>>7304802413/10 bait
>>730479463>>730479614>>730479646>>730479583>>730479698>>730480241
>>730480124>t. dead nigga
>>730480120>a waste of her own effortSo is playing vidya. Her effort to waste.
>>730480196"Fruits of labor" is just a vague term that means "the result of your labor." It is only communist if used in a communist context.
>>730480196wat? if all options were communist then what would a capitalist kid even say?>I made the flute, it's mine and my right to sell it?thats just B again.
>>730480120And if anybody who made a flute had it immediately taken off them to give to someone who could play it without compensation, who would ever make a flute again?
>>730479313I am giving it to C because I hate women
>>730480254it’s a gotcha to make you unknowingly pick an economic/government system that you claim you don’t support
>>730479313I keep it. It's my fucking flute. I don't know any of these whelps.
>>730479313The flute shall go to Israel, for it was promised to them 3,000 years ago.
>>730480124You literally prove her point - you (somehow) took the gun motivated by ego, she could not defend, therefore the gun is yours.
Utilitarism answers this question.So C.
>>730480486Well that's asinine
>>730480418no it would be something like >A stays the same >B I bought this flute and brought it to daycare or whatever and it's mine >C I made the flute in my chinese sweatshop so it's mine >D gibs
>>730480418If it were actually about capitalism and communism, C would be a kid saying "she used my tools to make the flute so the flute is mine. No I can't use the tools myself to make flutes, but it is irrelevant that I lack the skills to make flutes using the flute making tools, the flute was made possible by my ownership of flute making tools".
>>730479313Just give the other two children flutes. Simple
>>730480513>"my dogshit philosophy answers this question">"so its the dogshit option"
>>730479313>You will improve my life.How? How will a flute you can't play improve your life? It will not provide food shelter or safety. Tell me how.
>>730480241So what if B made a new instrument that nobody knows how to play?
>>730480541That's still B, nigga.Shouldn't have been a sweatshop kid if you wanted to keep what you made.
>>730480528yeah if you see any of this corporate art shit with more than 10 words in the future you can almost guarantee it’s propaganda
>>730479313If I have the flute, these little niggers have forfeited their say. So it is my preview to either use it myself or use simply break it so no one gets it.
>>730480610Correct. Every debate needs an arbitrary moral background (the axioms) in order to start a debate. Everyone is just discussing which arbitrary moral background they want to use.
>>730480324>Not yours or anyone else's call to make.Clearly it is or else we wouldnt be discussing it now.>Inanimate objects do not inherently possess value.Yes, but i say they are given value by how they can be used. And the only one who can use the flute is A.>But that's for B to decideB can't play the damn flute and nothing implies she'll ever be able to.If we start considering hypotethicals we'd have to wonder why A doesn't already have a flute, why B even made a flute and how the hell we are playing judge in this occasion.In fewer words, A is the only one equipped to make proper use of the flute, which will be wasted in anyone else's hands.
>>730480612It's the option for actual niggerbrained individuals who believe that if you have more than them, you are in the wrong, and will make up any excuse (including appeals to pity) to get what you have. Mindset of the envious. C is the iconic example of how poor people can be just as evil as anyone else.
>>730479614>stirner-loli was later shot dead by the police after escalating a confrontation that occurred as she attempted to leave a Starbucks without paying
>>730479313Taking the flute from Child B is theft.I hope she chooses to share though (but with children who are more deserving than these two little shits)
>>730479313So A is aristocratic elitism, B is worker syndacalism/classical marxism, and C is woke liberalism?
>>730480412Did she make the vidya? Does she also doesn't know how to play it?
>"I deserve the flute because I took it.Not by accident, not by charity, not by skill or need—but by conquest. When the three of you argued, the flute lay undefended, and I acted. Ownership follows power: whoever can seize, keep, and defend a thing makes it theirs."
>>730479698Because B clearly states that the flute would be taken away from her, you fucking retard.
>capitalist>libertarian >socialist boring
>capitalism! communism!Jesus, shut the fuck up you idiot childrenIn theory A shows one values utility, B shows one values property rights, and C shows one values egalitarianism.In reality it's a stupid question that does fuck-all.
>>730479313>Child B: "I made he flute..."stopped reading there.
>>730480787ghetto nigger mentality
>>730480441Just force them to make more flutes, if they cant prevent me from taking it they cant protect themselves from becoming slave labor.
>>730479630Maybe B wants to learn how to play itMaybe A is a smug little bitch who belittles the skill of others
>>730480785Whether she is good at the thing is irrelevant, unless you own her time.
I break the flute into three pieces and give each child a third. Now everyone has an equal amount of flute.
>>730480676>simply break it so no one gets it.>Three children are now fighting over a piccolo.
I choose C because I know it would cause the most butthurt if someone actually chose this option in earnest.
>>730479313Give A the flute. She plays music for the other two. Everyone wins, optimal solution.
>>730479313>gives the flute to child b>have child a teach child b and then raise money so that child b can make flutes for them bothsimple
>>730479783>letting someone keep what they themselves made is capitalism
Its a flawed premise. In real life it wouldn't work like this
>>730480716The scenario directly implies that the flute has been taken from B and is being offered back like some weird justice system. You saying that A should have it just reinforces that you're a thief who would gladly steal from someone the moment you think they don't "deserve" it (an arbitrary, subjective decision no matter what). Actual shitskin mentality.
>>730479313B. If the toy was made by B and not sold to someone else, it belongs to B. There is no morality involved.
>>730480815>B shows one values property rightsDoes it though? It says "the flute should be mine because I made it" not "the flute should be mine because I acquired it with money". It reminds me of Marx's theory of alienated labour.
>>730480815if it's a stupid question then why was it awarded a nobel prize
>>730480905>Three children are now fighting over piccoloDid they forget their daily dose or something?
>>730480815>egalitarianismFuck off, Ronny
>>730480632If no one knows how to play, A isnt even asking for it because there's no one whi can fit the role of A. Regardless, i'd give it to C because B needs to learn to stop making random shit.
>>730480902You always do this shit, Solomon.
>>730480945There's a chance we are meant to represent the state in which case the flute would be considered a tax taken from B, redistributing it then would make sense
>>730480868>Maybe A is a smug little bitch who belittles the skill of othersBased talented ojousama loli, she gets both flutes.
>>730480508>her
>>730480973You don't need to buy something in order to own it
>>730480787>>730480850This is naturalistic morality but not actual morality. It is true, but also nigger-tier thinking as anon said. The point is to realize that this is the case, but to rise above such an animalistic belief system. Repent and turn to Christ.
>>730480992>B needs to learn to stop making random shit.Be quite. I'm hoping she makes a new carburetor next.
>>730479770Do you have this in publicly sharable?
>>730479313give it to b but ask a to ask b what she would trade for it
>>730480867So As should be provided infinity flutes as needed off the back of a B slave class?You'll never invent the saxophone from that economy, just a society of basic bitch flautists and flutemakers for aeons if nothing gives.
>>730480716They're fighting over it, so the dispute is inherently about ownership.A and C simply have no legitimate right to it.
>>730480902>Now everyone has an equal amount of (worthless, unusable, unplayable) flute.
Obviously B is the objectively correct answer, but there's at least some logic for A. What kind of person would unironically choose C? It's a really shitty appeal to emotions.
>>730480120>Nothing implies B is anymore capable of playing the flute than C, so ultimately letting her keep the flute is a waste of her own effortThe point is that's her choice to makeAnything else is unforgivable authoritarian interference. Or just theft, if you preferOppressing people and telling it's for their own good is totalitarianism 101 by the way
>>730481016Then if anything, it's a critique on why tax/redistribution is immoral as fuck.
>>730479313A pays fair market value to B. Child C can fuck off back to poorniggerville.
B has default ownership over the flute and final say. But I would try to convince them to give or trade it to A.
i would have sex with A+B because im a fully gown adult and can easily over power three children.
>>730479313I'm not hearing a word they're saying.
>>730479313I'll cut the flute in 3 equal parts and give one part each
>>730481040But in the example B has the flute specifically because she actually made it herself
>>730481036If she's so talented why doesn't she have a flute. Notice she says she can play it. She doesn't say she can play it WELL. You give it to her and we're all gonna have to listen to an off key rendition of three blind mice. You think a kids gonna start belting out Jethro Tull? Get real. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zic2jFZ745w
If A knows for a fact she can play the flute she must already have access to one. Greedy shit can go to hell. Maybe C can ask B (the owner of the flute) to make him one as well, perhaps in exchange for some agreed upon labour.
>>730479313>you would have improved my lot in life immeasurablyBuddy it's one flute. Your life will have improved by one flute's-worth.Is the number "1" immeasurable to you?>I am the poorestYeah I wonder why RETRAD haha
>>730480120The flute will have value when the child I put in B learns to play it
>>730480992What makes you think A isn't lying in the OP scenario?
>>730481037yeah I know stfu idk why some tranny weeb decided to depict stirner as a girl
it rightfully belongs to child b
>>730480945Shitskin or paleskin, the fact is i have the flute and i decide who gets it. And my decision is A gets the flute and B makes a hundred flutes for C so she learns to not make flutes.
>>730479313sex with child B>>730480346cute cute sex
>>730481191>Yeah I wonder why RETRAD haha
>>730479313Give it to C so he can learn how to play flute.
>>730480513What's the utility in C having the flute?
>>730479614Oh my science, D is something *straight* out of a good Rick and Morty episode. How can I NOT choose them?
>>730481169get raped by demons
>>730480146>in that case I think a government has to step in and give some flutes to A'sThat's still theftEnsure access to materials and flute making machines, don't just steal the flutes and give them away
>>730479313If all three children want the flute so badly, it must have some kind of value. Instead of giving it to the kids I run it to the pawn shop to trade for fent money.
>>730479313>Lee Kuan Yew School of Public PolicySo which child would LKY give the floot to?
>>730479313Child A and Child C are expressing perceived entitlement. Child B is the only one who is ACTUALLY entitled to the flute since she made it. There is no other correct answer.
>>730481114There's no need to invent the saxophone because B is not an inventor, she's just making stuff. Someone already invented it. But yes, B is the designated slave class.
>>730479313That's really up to them.
>>730481260Poor people contaminate everything; they steal, rape and unionize. Getting rid of poverty should be a crucial mission for utilitarists.
of course a jeet made this retarded shit up
>>730480716>Clearly it is or else we wouldnt be discussing it now.Another authoritarian answer. Assuming having the ability to interfere gives you the right to interfere is fundamentally fucked up.
>>730479313Child B should sell the flute to Child A, start a business making flutes, and hire Child C as a worker.
>>730481364t. Karl Marx
>>730479792No by their logic the moment you create anything that someone can actually use you should give it up to them because what is the point of a tool without someone to weld it?B contributes to the greater good by creating tools and A contributes by mastering the use of the tools.C is what happens due to medicine keeping undesirable alive and in the gene pool.
>>730481179>You think a kids gonna start belting out Jethro Tull?I learned Living in the Past in school and I was never much of a flautist in the first place. Also talent can be cultivated. Note that neither B nor C shows any intention to actually learn to play the flute, A is at least willing to try.
>>730481008*hits blunt*Wisdom...
>>730479770Child D looks awfully old.
>>730481016All you've done is argue against taxation.
I’ve read the entire thread and I don’t understand anyone who would pick anything but B. In fact if you pick A or C you should probably be dragged out into the street and shot. fucking give me niggers
this is the thread
>>730481214If we consider A is lying, we must also consider B could be lying. In that case, we might aswell solve it with a coin toss since no one can be trusted.
>>730481431in what way is it karl marx for the one who provided the materials and made the flute to be the right full owner
>>730481457That's antisemitic. The flute was promised to him 3000 years ago.
>>730481431I'm not the one who is acting as the state redistributing wealth. I'm pro property ownership.
>>730481349Of course it’s some retarded Singaporean shit, uppity bunch of faggots in their shitty state.
>>730481431No one talked about anyone else involved in the creation. It is implied B is the provider of materials, labour, and means of production in the scenario.
>>730481349Enter into to a teacher-child economic partnership with B to manufacture flutes to sell to A. C encouraged to move to Malaysia.
>>730481127>Oppressing people and telling it's for their own good is totalitarianism 101 by the way
>>730481443I would assume that if someone actually went to the effort of MAKING a flute they would have some interest in learning to play it. If not that they intent to sell it or gift it to someone else. I made a spice rack for my mom in wood shop once. It wasn't a very good spice rack. It wasn't a very good wood shop either really but I myself had no desire for a spice rack.
>>730480780>B is worker syndacalism/classical marxismIt doesn't need to be. The idea that you are entitled to something you make isn't unique to those
Production for production sake is a waste of resource.
>>730481478the only reason is if you're a thief or baiting, there is no other possibility
>>730479313Why is this stupid bitch making a flute if she can't play it?
>>730479313I'll give you a flute to play.*unzips pants*
Are they retarded? Just share the flute. B and C can just fucking hold it for whatever reason and A can actually play it.
>>730479313B is already the logical answer, but if A knows how to play a flute she already has access to one, unless she's a lying whore. C isn't even an option to consider.
>>730481494That's not how you use a coin. SInce you don't know how to use them properly you should give to somebody who does.
>>730479313This is a bad example because B did literally everything. If it was more like:>Person who provided materials>Person who constructed it>Person who can actually play it>Person who has money to buy itThen it would be a harder decision.
>>730481117Yeah but i'm choosing so it ultimately comes down to my mood.
>>730481630Might be a gift. Perhaps it's an easy project and she wants to learn to be more handy. It could be a class assignment. There are reasons and their her own business.
>>730481045Christ would say the flute is too ostentatious and that B should make a bland boring flute C won't want.
>>730481630Are you trying to say a person isn't allowed to make something they can't use? Maybe she can sell it. Maybe she can learn to play. Either way, she made it, it's hers.
>>730479313Give it to Child C. When I mean give, I mean hit him in the head with the flute until he dies.
>>730481585>yeah? and?You get what you fucking deserve.
>B makes the flute>Lets A play it in exchange for flute lessons>B makes another flute for A>Together, they play a benefit concert for C's stupid broke ass
>>730481662I learned to play the drums at school without having one
>>730481195That's a long time to keep a flute stored, anon.
This isn't clever or insightful it's The Little Red Hen.
>>730481478it's because the parable itself is inherently flawed by positioning a bias towards Carla against the expropriation of the flute she made herself everyone else is memeing the question is kinda bad. it implies that capitalism is stealing for the sole purpose of extreme utilitarianism and that Marxists are fucking stupid (which is true)
>>730481665It's a stupid thought experiment made purely to demonise socialism
>>730479313how did I even end up with the flute? ah fuck it, I shove the flut down my dickhole, the first to suck it out gets to keep it
>>730481704>Maybe she can sell it.Where? She lives in a hellish dystopia where things are instantly snatched out of people's hands and arbitrarily redistributed,
>give flute to child B>encourage her to lend the flute to child A for a reasonable price>punch child C in the gut and call him a pinko faggot>yell at children A and B to help me beat this fuckin commie's ass and take turns kicking the shit out of him
>>730479685I don't play the flute but I like Jethro Tull.Well I like Aqualung, never heard any of his other music
>>730481804True lmao, I kneel
>>730481750would
>>730481332A stunning example of Pharmacological Utilitarianism, a school of thought pioneered by Jamal Daquavius Johnson of Camden, NJ; wherein the utility of an object is directly linked to the amount and potency of mind-altering substances one can obtain by trading it to the swarthy unscrupulous pawnbroker on MLK Boulevard.
>>730479313I would let them fight for it. Not my problem.
>>730481750As I got older, I learned that the most cliche teachings and sayings are actually really meaningful
>>730479313Fuck marry kill
>>730481664>pondering about how the problem breaks down if we consider the children can lie>unrelated comment about coinsHoly non sequiturs, batman.
>>730481496In the example child B would be the working class. The working class provided the material and labour hence they should keep the fruit of their labour. This doesn't happen because the capitalist class alienates the working class from the fruits of their labour. Child C would the lumpenproles and Child A would be the aristocracy. There isn't really a child equivalent for the capitalist class, but it would sound something like this: I own the machines that were used to make the flute, therefore the flute belongs to me.>>730481512Marxism isn't just about the state redistributing wealth
>>730479313A should get it because she is the only one who can currently play it.B is capitalist bourgeoisie scum who is only interested in profit but they are posing as the prolateriat.C is a poorfag.if B really wants another one, she can just make one, she clearly knows how. she might even be so kind as to give the poorfag lessons so he can learn to make one himself, that way he can work under her as an apprentice and he won't be a poorfag anymore. he could git gud and open his own shop as a competitor and become a capitalist, too, but B wouldn't like that so she's probably going to enslave him for 40 years and then find a way to try and deny his healthcare and retirement benefits.there, I demystified it for you.
>>730479313Give child A the flute, and then give child B child C's meat flute.
>>730479313Child A doesn't just get the flute, she deserves it. Child A will get the flute, even by force if necessary. Because Child A is exceptional. The flute only becomes meaningful when Child A's lips touches its mouthpiece. It's not about being “anti-poor” or “anti-effort.”It’s about being pro-meaning.You GIVE meaning to something, that thing doesn't come with meaning on its own. The flute's music will bless the ears of all the children because Child A was allowed to play it.
/v/ - Discussing Children
>>730479313the strongest child
>>730480973Anon you're making massive logical leaps to support a tenuous interpretation. There's no reason to assume the girl who created the flute didn't also pay for the materials and produce the flute on her own time. You're either mentally ill or a shitposter intentionally pretending to be a retard for kicks (so mentally ill).
>>730481710Yeah, an infinite supply of flutes.
>>730481790>how did I even end up with the flute?You were SITTING ON A PARK BENCH! Eyeing little girls with BAAAAAAAD intent.
>>730481883>Marxism isn't just about the state redistributing wealthI don't care, it's still a retarded ideology invented by a man who never worked a day in his life.
>>730480992>Regardless, i'd give it to C because B needs to learn to stop making random shit.This reveals a lot about you and none of it is good
>>730481562Well yeah, which is why the analogy is kinda stupid and doesn't really work as a thought experiment to think about real world justice. It's a surprise it was invented by a jeet.
>>730481849Where do you live? I wanna fight you for your stuff. You can't refuse, someone is letting us do it and it's not their problem.
Hand over the flute cherry boy. You don't need it anyway
>>730481120yeah but then in a thousand years the prophesied hero can collect the three flute pieces, play a sick solo on it, and seal away the dark lord forever.
>>730481002B for Based
>>730479313A is lying and B knows how to play it.
>>730479313Sounds like B owns it and the other two are trying to steal her shit. So I stick it up my ass and the one brave enough to remove it, like the sword in the stone, they can have it.
>>730479374These are kids, so I would resolve the situation by purchasing it from B so that I can give it to A. Then I'll buy C a book or something so he can stop being useless.
>>730479313Whoever pays.
>>730481883>This doesn't happen because the capitalist class alienates the working class from the fruits of their labour Communists are so fucking stupid.
>>730481386The man who invented the saxophone did get his start making flutes
>>730481883howe many jobs have you worked where you provide the material? the fact is that someone who takes a job sings a contract statin their production belongs to the boss
>>730481016>theft is suddenly okay if I invent some bullshit pretext for itTaxes are for critically necessary functions of the state, not to redistribute to others
the flute was promised to A 3000 years ago, so she deserves it
>>730479313I would ask B if she could make one for C, if I paid her for the materials and her labor. A doesn't get fuck all, because she's an entitled cunt.
>>730481416Looked it up and yeah. Fuck buddhism.
>>730481970You're just trying to secure B's monopoly over the creation and possession of instruments.
>>730479313Just let them share it one gets it every other week.
I'd give A once chance to play it and try and earn it. She plays a sick enough solo that's worth the cost of a flute.
>>730479313>B has ownership to the flute>A can pay B with candies, or even perform flute dedicated to B to borrow the flute>C can dieit's shrimple as that
>>730482000Find me.
>>730481883There's no implication that B used some "flute making machine" that someone else owned, or that she was employed by somebody else to make a flute, or that anyone was involved in the flute making besides her.
>>730481750More like the Little Valve Founder.>Not I, said the Sweeney
>>730480821well duh, I took the flute for a reason, I just take off with it, what are the children gonna do? they are stupid children they can't stop me
>>730481883It doesn't work as a Marxism analogy because the issue that Marx was writing about doesn't map on to B's situation at all. The capitalist argument for the worker not owning the product is that the capitalist owns and provides the tools and materials, and that the worker provides labour for which he is compensated not with the product, but with money (that happens to be of lesser value than the product). The labour alone could not possibly create the product, the labour is part of the process and the right to it is purchased. B can't be taken as analogous to the situation.
>>730479313B should not have it taken away without being given fair compensation. Ideally A should buy it from her, then form a duo with C who sings along with her playing on a street corner for money. Making back the money spent on the flute and any extra can be split between them, this will also allow C to be less poor
>>730481187>perhaps in exchange for some agreed upon labourL-lewd
>>730479441>why would you have the flute if child b made it?I beat her ass.
>>730480124"You should give the gun to me. Though I am blind and suffer from index finger spasms my life would become infinitely more entertaining with a gun."
>>730481169what do you do if two of them refuse that offer? Obviously you can't give it to the one that accepted.
>>730481698Wrong. He would just encourage a peaceful resolution with an emphasis on "should" rather than forcing some arbitrary decision. This is an earthly matter and no matter what the right decision is, it should be done in the context of eternal glory to God's righteousness.
>>730482221You make a solid argument.
>>730482096>Look it up>Actually trueHuh, how interesting.
>>730482160I will stop you.
>>730479614>flutespooks
>>730479770>I own the factory and toolsHe deserves compensation but not the whole flute>patented techniquemeans nothing>I paid her the wage we had previously negotiatedOkay, D gets the flute
>>730480716>Clearly it is or else we wouldnt be discussing it nowLet's talk about shitting in your mom's mouth. If we weren't discussing it then it wouldn't be our call to make.
A pays B a dollar to rent the flute from B.B pays A a dollar to play the flute.C can attend the concert for free.A gives the flute back to B.
It objectively belongs to B
>>730479614Holy shit, tomoyo's room is back?!
I will take the flute as all of you children have only described individual and selfish platitudes instead of what would be good for the rest of mankind.
>>730481816They're pretty good.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoUgCCxKN1A
>>730482221I support free guns for the underprivileged. It's an American right.
>>730479313>giveWhy would I give my flute to some random child? Pay me or GTFO
>>730481124>What kind of person would unironically choose C? It's a really shitty appeal to emotions.You answered your own question
>>730479313It's B. I don't even need to spend more than 5 seconds on this answer, because I have superior IQ.
>>730482195There's no option for compensation. It's simply would you take something that isn't yours, and use it for A. Maximum Utility or B. Maximum Impact.
>>730481870No, just seemingly non-standard logic because of deliberate gaps that you failed to fill.You argue for A because they know how to use it. I just used that argument for your coin, give it up buddy.As for the lying, the point was if B made a new instrument nobody knew how to play there will inevitably be someone willing to say they do to try and get it in the dispute.As for B lying, if they were they will be called out on it by whoever did make it and they'd try to prove it. People realy don't like it when somebody lies to try and take credit for their efforts. Where as A's case is an intangible claim being made and not so easily disproven.
>>730482308>C can attend the concert for free.Unlawful listening to the flute is a federal crime punishable by up to 25000 dollar fine or time in prison.
>>730482307Make an image similar to the one relating to the flute issue and we'll talk about it.
>>730481124ever heard of quotas, this kind of people
>>730481948This retard seriously think that the authoritarian commies will give the wealth to him.
>>730481630Why teach somebody to make a flute if you won't get the flute at the end?
>>730482096>make shittiest most retarded looking flute in the world >call it a saxophone
>>730481946You are getting way too worked up over a dumb thought experiment on a canadian basket weaving forum, the entire raison d'etre of OP's pic is to serve as a thought experiment to think about justice in the real world, so obviously I'm going to try to relate it to what real world ideologies say about justice. In any case you should worry about your own mental health, you definitely are lacking more than me there.>>730482092I'm not a communist. You guys seem to think that anyone that actually knows Marx instead of regurgitating CIA memes like a bot must be a marxist, which is pretty funny.
>>730479313child B sure knows how to play MY flute :)
>>730481665That's still retarded, because in that situation person with money gets the item, as long as the money satisfies the person who constructed it, if not, then the person who constructed it owns it.Person who provided the material has no ownership, unless the deal for providing material was the ownership to the product. If he just gave out the material for free then that's his fault.Person who can actually play it has nothing to do with the ownership so that's out of the question, he's completely irrelevant.
>>730479313The correct answer is to have B show A and C how to make flutes and then for A to show B and C how to play their new flutes.
>>730479313Yeah cool, who one found it first? Finders keepers, lil niggas.
The flute belongs to our lord and sovereign, master of Lateveria Dr Doom.
>>730481864geg
>>730481630To sell it. A is being a cheap jew and C is being a beggar.
>>730482378Why? Just discuss it. Anyway, I'm gonna shit in your mom's mouth.
>>730479313It's mine now.
>>730479313A is obviously the best outcome, if the system you believe in doesn't result in A getting the flute then it's a failed system, simple as.
Whoever gives me the best head gets it, simple as
>>730482476>Person who provided the material has no ownershipYou know it's interesting how you can shake this up. I provided the materials for the flute so I own itI actually know how to make flutes so clearly I'm the ownerI'm still a worthless leach on society. Well it doesn't change too much I guess.
>>730479313Child B, and tell Child B to sell it to Child A.Easy win.Child C should pull himself up by his bootstraps, surely there are job trees in his 2D-plane when this image was made, they stopped growing those in our 3D-plane.
>>730480932Well that's unironically how commies think and operate. They hate nothing more than not being able to take things they didn't make because they decided it's more "just" by some arbitrary metric (that conveniently always lets them get the free shit).
>>730479374Fippy bippy /threadIt gets complicated with other goods like food or housing, but not with something as inconsequential as a flute
>>730479313Break the flute into 3 pieces and give each kid one
>>730481431>Marx invented property rights
>>730482430Sorry, I'm not calling you a communist I'm just saying communists are retarded.
>>730482563Then what does B get? C did jack shit and is basically getting the same compensation. If B is just going to have her work taken for no real compensation, why work.It's not like she did it for the world - from her own mouth, she wants the goddamn flute.
>>730482359Anon, if B makes an instrument no one knows how to play we could just dare A to play it, which would disprove any claims of skill. Unless A learns any instrument instantly, in which case B should make more random shit for us to give to A.>As for B lying, if they were they will be called out on it by whoever did make it and they'd try to prove it.That'd require a fourth person demanding the flute(or the new instrument). I'm only working with A, B and C here.
>>730482185>It doesn't work as a Marxism analogy because the issue that Marx was writing about doesn't map on to B's situation at all.It maps if you think in terms of economic classes instead of individuals. B as an individual didn't make the tools and materials, but B as a class of individuals that have a certain relationship to the means of production did. Anyway I think OP's pic is kinda dumb and doesn't really work well as a thought experiment.
>ISILDUR, CAST THE FLUTE INTO THE PIT OF FIRE
>>730482627What anon didn't know is that the kids actually were each a piece of the flute which had been enchanted by an evil sorcerer.
>>730482476The point is you're deciding, anon. Which means you could just sell it to the kid, but all 4 of them want it and are asking for it.
>>730480990
>>730482606>pull himself up by his bootstrapsIt's still wild how 'achieve a physically impossible task' became 'just try harder'.
>>730482401I dont know about the commies but i currently have the flute.
>Only Child A can play the fluteNo, all three children can play the flute. If you blow into a flute then you're playing it. So Child B still has as much use of it as A.>But only Child A can play it WELLThere's only playing. Quality is subjective and irrelevant.
>>730482735It's not impossible if B did it
>>730481630Maybe she just wanted to make a fucking flute and it's none of your business why
>>730479313Does B actually own it or is this some kind of "I tightened a screw in a factory so this car is mine"? If B owns it, then it belongs to B. If I'm the one that owns it, then to A. Simple as. C can go suck a dick for what I care.
>>730482740Shut up child C, no one is giving you the flute.
>>730482554Ignoring the fact you dont know where my mom is currently located, i just want you to put some effort in it.
>>730481640>Are they retarded? Just share the flute.It's B's flute. It's B's choice.But I do think the best option is them sharing the flute and A teaching the other two to play
>>730479698Nice computer you used to post this with. But Im better with computers, so it belongs to me now. Idiot.
>>730482778She made a dildo with holes in it, and when she got caught she made up a lie to save face.
>>730482353How does a worthless object denote maximum impact in this context? If it is meant that Child C would sell or trade the flute, and thus act as a form of woodwind welfare i can see it being of use, but in a scenario utterly lacking compensation or is naught but a poor stick.
>>730482602The guy who provided material owns the material, he doesn't own the fluteIf he provided it for free, he provided it for free, it's a nice thing to do but don't demand a return for generosity.If he provided it for money, he gets the money. If he provided it for the percentage of the ownership, he gets percentage of the ownership.Leech can die.
>Nobody gives a shit about kid C
>>730479698A should buy the flute from B. C should go find a fucking job.
>>730480508That point is so gay. No shit the one with more power is in charge, next you'll tell me the suns hot. It's pseudo-intellectualism that dumb people parrot to feel smart, and because your view is flawed for society as a whole it would immediately get stamped out and eventually replaced with the stasis quo again because in the history of humanity, mob rule like this has never been able to take hold without inevitably forming back into a set of checks and balances because more people prefer the safety of society over that. TLDR Anyone claiming Might makes right is just them trying to make being a dick sound like it has any worth.*takes your gun*
>>730479313>The children are fighting over a fluteStopped there, my suspension of disbelief was over.
>>730482804I already took it using the gun i stole from gun wielding child D.
>>730481630Maybe she wants to learn. Or stick it up her blowhole. Her business.>>730482847Sharing woodwind or brasswind instruments is gross, anon, you know how much spit accumulates in those things?
>>730482713>...No>*toot*
>>730482943>you know how much spit accumulates in those things?You're supposed to clean things, anon.
>>730482928I see your point and agree with you, might sir gun holder
>>730482897If B keeps making flutes and A keeps playing them, eventually there will be some scrap flutes around for C to play as well, and maybe he can stop being a fucking loser.
>>730479313>>730479614everyone keep adding one, or just post what you want me to add.
>>730482967They do, every once in a while. Kids aren't gonna do it at all.
>>730482971>If B keeps making flutes
>>730479614>>730480124>>730480508>>730482928>>730482970
>>730481883The working class doesn't provide the materials. The boss buys them and the working class only provides the labor, you don't have to provide your own iron to the factory, your boss does. I this case, child B provided both materials and labor, so unless she was paid to do it by someone, it's hers.
>>730482979>Child F>"I want the flute so no one else gets it"
>>730480445Based
>>730482691Why would B make a flute if not to be played? A can play the flute, therefore it should go to A, simple as.
>>730482221Your life would be infinitely more entertaining to me too, just let me get behind cover first and you can have it.
>>730482928>forming back into a set of checks and balances because more people prefer the safety of society over that.That's just force given structure, you are still proving her right.
>>730482979>Immediate sharty memeNigger kill yourself.
>>730482859>But Im better with computers, so it belongs to me now.Not the same situation, child B has, as far as we know, zero skill with the flute, so it's useless with her. I, on the other hand, can use my computer to argue over stupid situations on an anonymous board, which i think is far from useless.Also you don't want my computer, it takes 10 minutes to turn on. You should give yours to me.
picking A is a sign of mental sickness and/or some kind of psychology test to prove the person choosing it is a narcissistC makes literally zero sense under any circumstance, his argument doesn't even pass the muster of donating to some poor starving african child. it's a fucking flute.B is very clearly the right answer, despite raising the question of "why'd she even make it to begin with." I can only assume she intends to practice.
>>730482928>It's pseudo-intellectualism that dumb people parrot to feel smartand yet stirner made every philosopher of the time seethe by just pointing out the obvious
>>730479313B, obviously.Communism is a shit ideology that stands in defiance of human nature.
>>730483061>child G>"I hate flutes so they should be illegal. A B be belong in jail."
>>730482694You are obtuse.The entire point of adding the hypothetical of a new instrument was to discredit A's claim and you're still trying to give it to them.It's funny you didn't even try to confirm A's claim about a flute. You just want to give it to them.Don't have kids. You can't handle it.
>>730479313Enslave C, give B a managerial role over the slave to produce goods for A to create high art
>>730483189>Child H>Flutes aren't real.
>>730482979>child G>you like, cant own a flute man
>>730481907A is not entitled to the labour of othersthe flute stays with B
None, I need it to summon the secret boss 20 hours from now.
>>730481665>Then it would be a harder decision.If there's no existing agreement between the material provider (D) and the flute maker (B), you can just assume the B stole the materials, and that makes the choice easy.Then again, if D is hoarding acres and acres of forest and there's no public land B can get a single fucking branch from, that also changes things.
>>730483067Well, B probably wants to play it. Just because A is already good at it doesn't mean B doesn't deserve a chance to learn, especially when she put in all the effort to make one.
>>730479313B
>>730482718>I provided the materialShouldn't have given the material for free without making a deal>I constructed itGive it to him because he made it>I can play itAsk the constructor if you can loan it, and pay back for the item by making money performing>I can buy itBuy it from whoever owns it
>>730483061.>>730483105You didn't post the image of the guy with your quote.
>>7304806121. child C could learn to play it.2. child C could sell it for a profit.3. child C could keep it as a memento and have something of sentimental value.4. child C could learn to reverse engineer it and understand how it functions, which would aid them in the process of learning to make and sell them as part of a craft. all of this also applies to B, but one can assume that B has already had the opportunity to learn to play it, and since they already know how to make it, they most certainly have produced exquisite models that they keep just for themselves. child A is not interested in learning to make them, child A's interest isn't economic in an immediate sense; they love the flute for the tones it produces. that child A might use it in their own craftsmanship and turn a profit is somewhat inconsequential, because we cannot assume that child A's use case is economic in nature.
>>730481804>She lives in a hellish dystopia where things are instantly snatched out of people's hands and arbitrarily redistributed,(Taxes)
>>730481948>he says posting a bitch who got what she deserved for "helping" people
>>730483056>The working class doesn't provide the materials.It does on a societal level. In your example, the iron that the boss buys for his factory didn't mine itself.>I this case, child B provided both materials and labor, so unless she was paid to do it by someone, it's hers.I agree with you on that. It's kinda of a stupid thought experiment because in the real world is never this simple.
>>730483189>>730483247>>730483248you need to provide an image for the child>>730483296
>>730483196>It's funny you didn't even try to confirm A's claim about a fluteAnon, it's a drawing with text on it. Why would i try to gauge if the words on a still image depicting a made up situation are lying?
>>730479313
B owns the flute and it isn't up for discussion, say otherwise and I'll trace your IP and send a pipe bomb to your house.
im assuming child b literally carved a flute out of wood by herself so what possible argument could you ever give for taking it away from her?
The objectively correct answer is B.
>>730482979Add this>>730480787
>>730483251B didn't put forth the labor that made that flute, it was a bunch of Cs who did it on B's behalf. B already gets more than enough, so B can fuck off back to rebbit or xitter and pay their fair share in taxes.
>>730483334Jokes on you i never did ending 4 or 1.
>steal flute from B>B no longer has any incentive to make flutes and stops doing it>flute market collapses because there's no more supplygreat system retards
>>730479313>Who would you give it to?Fundamentally flawed question because it's not mine to give (it belongs to child B).
>>730479770Just don't depict a jew there and all the retard chuds here would chose him.
>>730479313Any answer other than B is wrong.
>>730479313There is no saving Child C. But I think this is too one-sided, as there's no reason to take it from B at all. If they included a line about her not using the flute at all, then maybe? I don't know, but this seems like an obvious decision.
>>730483296>Child G >"Mmmrpgh Mmmmphya, Mmmmh Mmmrpgh! Mmmmmmmrrrrrrrpppghhh! "
>>730483431Might makes right. If she couldnt stop me from taking it then whatever i choose is right.
>>730483390The point of the question is that the object itself isn't important. It's entirely about your decision making and judgment. It doesn't tell you they were all telling the truth either. You just seem to operate using that as a base assumption. Should probably fix that before it bites you.
Who ever gets pregnant gets the flute.
>>730483513"B-but there will always be some Bs who'll make flutes for the love of it".Yeah, a couple, lot more fucking As than Bs in the world.
>>730482928Any structure of government is just outsourcing the might makes right part. It's always a mob rule, you just get to influence how it operates.
>>730483513Apparently the market is controlled by a weird capricious flute fairy.
>>730479614This is psuedointelectualism.No one is infallible or lives in a vacuum. Guns break, people get sick, or sleep.No one is going to work to the best of their potential or ability if they can get screwed and no one will do anything about it.Sure you take the flute but then we're going to think you're a huge asshole and won't ever play with you again.>T-Then I'll just kill you!No one is of any use to you dead, brainlet.
>>730483595>"B-but there will always be some Bs who'll make flutes for the love of it".And they can sell it and make profit like they deserve for their labor
>>730483112>giving the flute to someone who can utilize it is mental sickness>giving to someone who can't utlitze it, so I imagine that they want to and could possibly utilize it in the future, isn't
>>730479313B. Fucking easily. A and C are trying to steal and they'll get nothing from me but five across the eyes!!!
>>730483569>girl b has a flute>you might makes right it away from her>she tells her dad>he might makes rights youwhat now?
>>730483647I wasn't disagreeing with you I was strawmanning some other nonparticipating person.
>>730480120How is she to learn how to play without a flute, dick lick?
>>730483680I wasn't in conversation with you until that post, I am another anon
>>730483502>B didn't put forth the labor that made that flute, it was a bunch of Cs who did it on B's behalfoh so you can't read and then projected a whole bunch, gotchaseethe more
>>730483041Obviously we should give the flute to Mechasawa.
How did A learn to play a flute without a flute?
>>730483571Alright i'll bite. Considering the possibility each child can be lying, the words mean jack, as now all children have an infinite amount of possible true backstories and reasonings being obscured by a possibly fake argument, making any discussion on who has any claim over it irrelevant as no one can be trusted.
>>730483639actual midwit thinks he's smart debating a meme
>>730479313Did someone pay B to make the fucking flute or did she do it on her own? If she did on her own, it's her's. Simple as.However, if I'm the one who paid for it, I'm giving it to A. C can learn to whistle.
>>730483671I'll let him play on my other flute.
>>730483754Child A is 100% lying because her statement makes no sense. Everyone can play the flute.
>>730483709Same way A apparently did, considering she doesn't have a flute.
>>730483725not projecting, I'm reading between the lines and extrapolating. now, if we assume that it was B's sole labor by themselves, a single craftsman, and she lives by the sweat of her brow, then that is a different scenario entirely to some fatcat "entrepreneur" posing as the former and claiming ownership of the flute. surely you understand and are not pretending to be retarded, yes?if B isn't some capitalist swine and is a humble laborer who made the flute that they'll sell at a fair price for the sake of their daily bread, then they have a stronger case for ownership of the flute. in any case, B's effort would be worthless without A's desire to own the flute, and so in some way, B is acting like they're entitled to the fruit of industry, which is some bullshit.
>>730483167Seeing how he died in obscurity, must not have had as much impact seeing as how no one in modern day actually abides by this philosophy, but they sure do like to draw anime girls pretending they do.
>>730483854stop being retarded on purpose
>>730483503>gets dumped for being a lying manipulative bitch>doesn't get over her depression or find new loveThat bitch probably has 40 cats and weighs 300 pounds by now
>make flute>it's confiscated because I can't play it>disincentivized from making flutesgood job retards
>>730483513Everyone wants to talk about taking but no one wants to create. As always the insipid predator takes and takes and is left starving when the prey finally dries up.To stop the predator the only options prey have are to flee or kill, and they often lack the sufficient tools to do so. This is because the predator specializes in taking what others have.What hope do you have if someone makes it their life purpose to destroy you? It's a fundamentally unbalanced game where one side has much greater odds of winning.
>>730483854>Everyone can play the flute.No one can play the flute. I'm holding it, after all.
>>730483924>I'm reading between the linesIt usually helps if you actually read the words as written
Define "ability to play the flute". That's arguably a subjective, arbitrary floor.If B merely blows into it really hard and takes the stance that that is "playing the flute", what can A do to disprove it?
>>730483754Sure, everything is irrelevant when you stretch it to absurdity.Like your life, better end that before it gets too stretched out.
>>730479313The fact that I have the flute means that B made the flute for me, likely because she works for me.Therefore, the flute isn't her property, it's the property of the business, and therefore I can sell the fruit to either C or A, depending on which give me their money first.
>>730483940If you can blow into a flute and it makes a noise then you're playing it. This is objectively correct.
>>730483992>>730483940
>>730483947Do we ever see what happened to Naomi after graduation?
>>730483987your quips do not bother me, you have admitted that you are unwilling to engage with what I am saying, thus your concession has been accepted. thank you, have a nice day.
>>730482378
>>730483939>no one believes in might makes right
>>730484023you're being intellectually dishonest and don't deserve to be entertained
>>730483969
>>730483924B is a hobbyist who made the flute for fun.They went out and bought some timber and made it in their garage and then you showed up, called her capitalist swine before stealing her flute to give to someone else.
>>730484080Explain how.
>>730484056I went to school with a Mandy
>>730484035No, but we see that getting dumped by Naser utterly destroys her emotionally, and that Fang was integral to helping her bounce back in E4. So without Fang her chances aren't good.
>>730479313A & B have the means to obtain more flutes. C does not.
>>730484147that's crazy. i was taught by A Man
>>730484056CA and B have no valid reason and D should just kill himselfC needs to take a shit and there's a ready toilet right there
>>730484164You are not owed flutes
>>730483939actually according to egoism everyone is an egoist, the only difference between people is whether they're self aware of itbecoming a self-aware egoist merely involves reevaluating what determines your actions and discarding arbitrary impositions placed on you by society be it through laws, morals or ethics. This doesn't mean becoming a selfish psychopath, just that maybe there's nothing wrong with jaywalking if no cars are coming.
>>730484164They have one flute between them, man, that doesn't exhibit a surplus of flutes.
>>730484056D because he's the funniest
>>730484164Not my problem
>>730484013Anon you added a complication to a straightforward scenario that invalidates any conclusion since we'd have to operate on the basis everyone is lying. Don't act so bratty over having your nonsensical argument being treated as nonsensical.
>>730484080https://youtu.be/c6T6suvnhco?si=l5QXGKagRW5lW4ma
>>730479313What's the chain of custody here? That's the important part. We know it started with B. But did B sell it or give it away as a gift at any point? Did B give it to A temporarily, to test it? Did C steal it? From B, or from A? This is a problem that's unsolvable for lack of context. There is a definitive moral answer here, but we're arbitrarily deprived of the context necessary to come to an informed conclusion.Maybe B gave the flute away to A, then regretted not selling it, so she's trying to renege on the deal. Maybe A has a fundamentally flawed understanding of a deal that was struck with B.Maybe one of them lost the flute in a public place for a time before it was found by C who claimed it as unowned property.We don't know. All three of them could have a valid claim on the flute based on what happened before we come upon their quarrel over its ownership.
>>730484164>spend all my money on drugs>walk up to group of people and beg for their flute
>>730484110if B is a hobbyist who made it for fun, then she is by right the most entitled to owning that flute, but it would still be better off in the hands of A, who could actually make use of it. otherwise, why make a flute at all? as a paperweight? just for the sake of saying you did? then if that's the case, how did I find out that you even had such an item, you little shit? you must've advertised it somehow, and I'll not stand here and let you get away with implying that I'm some peeping tom who scoped out your flute making endeavors without your knowledge or consent.
>>730483513>flute makers don't make flutes to have them be playedWell if their intention was to make paper weights then this should help them make a less flute-like design, retard
>>730483639>No one is of any use to you dead, brainlet.implying they have any use to me alive once I take their shit
The only answer is B. B made it, supplied labor and materials. Clearly theres a reason B created the flute, probably to sell or give it to someone. If they haven't already sold it/given it away, its theirs by default.
Why does a flute need to be played? Why can't B indulge in her flute making and subsequent hoarding with no further purpose, if it brings her joy?
>>730484056C because he's the only one who actually needs to take a shit
>>730484307What if they were just showing A what they made?
>>730479313Child A is entitled. She believes her gift grants her the right to express it. It does not.Child B is, very simply, the rightful owner. She created the flute and shall do as she pleases with it. Be it selling, playing, or nothing; it is her flute.Child C is trying to cope with hardship. Unfortunately for him that does not give him the right to take what is others. A flute is also not the only thing that can improve his life, he should find other things to occupy his time.
>>730484217>just that maybe there's nothing wrong with jaywalking if no cars are coming.isn't this just common sense?
>>730484307It's not a question of better it's a question of right.
>>730484056I'll be damned, it actually happened.Anyway, D can shit on my mother, he'd have the most to gain from this. A can shit on someone else, C can shit on the floor, and i dont quite get B's reasoning.
>>730484380Yes, which is why we all think yanks are weird.
>>730484307You are in fact a pervert who watched kids for fun and that's how you saw her make the flute as a personal project and decided to steal it to give it to another child such as A who you watch practice her flutist skill, and C who you watch be poor at the orphanage.
>>730482125I just don't want government faggots heavy-handedly trying to socially engineer everyone
>>730484086Who is who in this drawing?
>>730484319you can call it a waste but I'll do whatever the fuck I want with it commie
>>730484380yes, it's the most basic form of ignoring an societal restriction after judging it as not worth following. You can then extrapolate that idea onto every other restriction via reevaluation
>>730484421A can shit wherever he fucking pleases
>>730484438whatare yanks autistic about jaywalking? I genuinely wasn't aware
>>730481585>And? Yeah?I don't get it.
>>730484204The world has immeasurable flutes. Everywhere I go, the flautists are flaunting their fifes in my face. I never asked to be born fluteless. Tell me - for what do I labor, if not to be rewarded with one miserly flute? You expect me to settle for clarinets while those bitches writhe in a pile of woodwinded joy?
>>730484153Oof. Sucks to be her.
>>730484375well, A is well within her right to try and persuade B to fork over the flute. assuming she can actually play it. same with C. at no point did anyone steal anything, and thus you cannot call them niggers, nor can you assume I'm a stalker for knowing about that flute, because B is clearly a social media whore who showcases everything for fake internet points like the little attention whore that she is.>>730484383sometimes "right" and "better" are one and the same.>>730484449I assure you, that is untrue. otherwise, the only flute child B and A would have made use of is my meat flute.
>>730484056A and B are fucking gay, I understand D's struggle but man, C really needs to take that shit and I know how that feels. So C.
>>730479313You give the flute to C, who sells it to A in order to be a step closer to escaping poverty. A plays the flute for an ever-growing audience, perfecting her technique until she discovers a small design flaw that prevents her mastery from growing further. A gives the flute back to B, so that she can refine it, giving B the best thing an artisan can hope for: constructive criticism and a chance to improve her craft. The resources that B needs to better the flute come from C, who uses what little money he gets from A in wise investments and networking.The cycle repeats until C is the richest kid on earth, A the best flute player and B the best flute maker. The rich C will not forget his humble origins and will go on to finance and promote both B's flute-making workshop A's flute concerts. The 3 kids remain good friends for life.(note: A gets the money she pays C from her audience)
I perform the "despite being a grown man, wear a child's clothes and dance around" ritual better (source: me) so A should give all of her clothes to me and watch me dance around in them.How do you like that, bitch!?
>>730484357>Clearly theres a reason B created the fluteTo have it be played. The only answer is A.
>>730484524>sometimes "right" and "better" are one and the same.And in other cases, like this one, it's not.
>>730479313The strength of men will not fail this day.
>>730483513>A can reflect on the state of the society, and provide material for a gun>B now has an incentive to change her flute business into an arms business, and construct a gun>C can shoot the gun at the thieving niggergreat system chads
>>730484164Good.
>>730479313A and B can both play my flute. C can watch
>>730484319Flute makers aren't in the business to make flutes, they're in the business to make money, flutes are just a part of the process
>>730484494chicken and egg issue.populace vs law enforcement and how behaviour is formed
>>730484547>To have it be played.Then it would be her choice to decide whom the player is.
>b spends time and energy making the flute>the enlightened /v/ posters take her flute and give it to a who has been practising while b has been making the flute>b makes another one>/v/ takes it and gives it to another random kid who was practising the flute instead of making one
>>730484493A can piss off.
>>730479313C because fuck women
>>730482326builders not being stolen from is for the good of mankind
>>730484164someone gotta whistle
>>730479313I doubt a child could make a decent quality flute or even play it well. I'd give it to the poor boy, so I can play with the girls.
>>730484056C then D, D can wait his turn.A is an asshole, B is not considering C needs.
>>730482326What if B learned how to make flutes from the xenos?
>>730484652How hard can it be?
>>730484626The only player in the scenario is A, so it goes to A.
>>730484717which flute
>>730484745The lack of options at the moment does not mean lack of options later
>>730484561Kek
>>730482326*casts an unegatable spell that depowers you and turns you into a loathsome ugly weak goblin**beats you up and spits in your mouth*How do you like that BITCHperor? Hey, C and D! Come over here and take a shit in his mouth!
>>730484552yeah but why do you care what's right when you have the opportunity to make the world a better place? and well, that can become a very dangerous line of reasoning to follow to its natural conclusion, so I'll just add the caveat that you should only do this when you think it results in a net positive for everyone involved, without undue harm to perhaps anyone but yourself, because only you can consent to your own harm.it's like, if I buy a cheeseburger, but step away for a minute to speak to the cashier about my fucking fries, and when I look away I see some little swindler stealing my food, I might initially be angry about it, because it'd be my right. I paid for that food, it's fucking MINE. but if I later learn that the little street urchin is starving and he's like>please mister I'm so hungry just give me anything to eatmy tune suddenly might change because, being a not shitty person, would recognize that the kid probably needs it more than I do at that moment in time. you don't always have to act like this - especially when it's your wife and she's trying to convince you that cuckoldry is worthwhile - but sometimes it's a noble thing to take an L to better someone else's station in life. in the case of A, she's most poised to make use of the goddamned flute, so if I made it and it was between giving it to A or C, I'd probably give it to her first so I can hear the extent of her talent.
>>730482197Kys troon
>>730482563The system I believe in results in you getting the bullet
Tell B to make two more flutes. Damn.
>>730484796>yeah but why do you care what's right when you have the opportunity to make the world a better place?If you can't do what's right then the world will never be a better place.
>>730484796burger cuck
>>730484547No, there could be any number of reasons. Maybe it's a decorative flute. Maybe B wants to learn to play. Maybe it'd a gift. Child B determines the function of the flute. It isn't 'meant' to do anything, items don't have inherent ontological purposes. The creator of the object determines its purpose.
>>730484745What if B made the flute for herself so she can attempt to teach herself flute playing?
>>730484828>do even more work for still no reward bitch needs to make a gun
>anon didn't know the deep lore about the experiment that was discussed in old threads >Because most people choose B, the experiment "proved" that people can't be trusted to "make the right choice" and help the unfortunate, therefore it's proof that more social policies need to be enacted for "social equality"Those who choose B are just playing right into their hands
>>730484828Tell A and C to learn to make flutes.
>>730484851What if A made a shit flute that's out of tune and A only thinks they can play it?
>>730484547Prove she doesn't have a flute hoarding obsession?
>>730484831it's a 5$ burger lil nigga what are you broke? get another
>>730479313B can make a deal to sell the flute to A, C can get deported
>>730484831I can do what's right if I want to. what's right and what's better aren't always the same thing, we've already moved past this.>>730484840alright call me burger cuck if it makes you feel better.
>>730480787>conquestIf something can be taken via force then it can be taken via force as well
>>730479313It's child B's flute. What's hard about that?
>>730484849>items don't have inherent ontological purposestools do doe, they wouldnt exist if they didnt have a purpose
>>730479313>>730479374I give B because of ponytail, also because she made it.
>>730484937>>730484875
>>730484796
>>730479698B has a talent for making things and will make more things on her own if encouraged. When that happens she will likely give a the flute of her own volition without any outside meddling as her interest has moved on to something else.
>>730484875Why can't I do anything for C but give him someone else's flute?
>>730483649>t. mentally ill narcissist
>>730479313B, but recommend they sell it to A or trade it.C is a cunt.
>>730484796lol burgercuck
>>730479313Child B without question.
>>730485008I don't trust B's goodwill. If she's hoarding the production of flutes who knows what else she is hoarding.
>>730484964>they wouldnt exist if they didnt have a purposeYeah they would. Pointless things exist, people make themA flute isn't a tool though
>>730479313>game presents extremely easy choice as being difficult
>>730479313Give it to A, congratulate B if it's a good design and kill C with cyanide
>>730479313A and B deserve the flute, so I let C have it, that way they both can suffer.
I shit and piss and cum all over the flute.
>>730479313>kidsSo you're saying I own a new flute.
>>730485137>>730484875>Extremely easy choice is actually the worst choice in the grand scheme of thing
>>730485146>A gets a tangible thing someone else clearly wanted>B gets a congratulations after doing all the work
>>730485007I figured someone would post that. but look, if some asshole stole your bike, you could do a few things:1. get big mad about it and try to track them down to the ends of the earth to get your revenge and your bike back2. let it go because it's just a physical thing and it's not like you can't just get another oneso what are you going to do? most people will be pissed for a while but then let it go because there's nothing you can do, unless you see that nigger walking down the street with your bike, but that's a different store. assuming the thief is smart, you'll never see the damn thing again.
I say we propose a sharing scheme:A can borrow the flute, with her house as collateral, for a period of no more than three days. C can apply, but may be declined, to borrow the aforementioned flute at 90% interest for 10 years, starting at a $60,000 deposit. B? Unfortunately she passed away yesterday, suicide it seems, so tragic, two shots to the back of the head.
>>730483374>suddenly the children are psychotic
>>730485113>A flute isn't a tool thoughIt is quite literally a musical instrument. What is the word "instrument" a synonym of, anon? Please tell me you're baiting me.
>>730485179The choice is easy. Whether the scenario was set up to disingenuously deploy that fact is irrelevant.
>>730479313>the flute of my labor
>>730485113>A flute isn't a tool thoughanything can be a tool if you try hard enough
>>730484796I'd reprimand the urchin for stealing, kidnap him, and then torture him for several days. After gaining what I equal to that burger in torture, I set him free and get him help.
>>730483109>people can't learn things>people can't sell what they make, it has to immediately be given to someone who can use it for freeHuh
>>730483595>"B-but there will always be some Bs who'll make flutes for the love of it".Their love will turn to hate if the flutes they make keep getting nicked by self-important cunts
>>730485351ok then Bailey jesus
>>730479313What value is gained by giving it to B?
>>730482332I don't believe in flauting.
>>730483754>Considering the possibility each child can be lying, the words mean jackChild B is the only one who makes a claim on having made the flute and no other child refutes it.
>>730485319
>>730485397Synonyms don't mean the same thing, they have similar meanings. If you called a flute a 'tool' people would look at you weird, so you say musical instrument. Not a tool.
>>730485485No one refutes C being poor or A being the only flute player either. Regardless, im taking everyone by their word.
>>730485351Why not send him to a sweatshop? He both gets to pay his debt to society while also gaining food and shelter
>>730485232A tool's use isn't determined by its function. Its function is determined by its use. If I stick a flute up my ass then it is now a tool for prostate stimulation.
>Sen, as part of his general critique of the contractarian tradition, states that ideas about a perfectly just world do not help redress actual existing inequality. Sen faults Rawls for overemphasizing institutions as guarantors of justice and not considering the effects of human behaviour on the institutions' ability to maintain a just society. Sen believes Rawls understates the difficulty in getting everyone in society to adhere to the norms of a just society. He also claims that Rawls' position that there be only one possible outcome of the reflective equilibrium behind the veil of ignorance is misguided. In contrast to Rawls, Sen believes that multiple conflicting, yet just, principles may arise>Choosing Child B does not actually help address actual inequality >The "idea" that only child B is "just" is a flawed idea because from a different point of view, it isn't just
>>730484056I defend that anon's mom's mouth from all comers. I am willing to fight to the death.That said, Luigi or Wario have the best claim
>>730485408You don't "give" someone their own property. You return it.
>>730485190THEY HAVE INCURRED MY WRATH AND INSULTED ME AND MY PEOPLE AND BLOOD MY ANCESTORS DEMAND VENGENCE I WILL NOT REST
>>730484510fucking kek
>Only I can play the flute!>But anyone can play the flute >Well, only I can play the flute WELL!Ahhh, no TRUE Scotsman.
>>730485408What is the value gained through A and C?What if A and C lied? What if A believes she is talented but is actually very bad. What if C isn't poor but thinks he is because he can't get whatever he wants?You don't actually know if any value is gained at all.
>>730485692Good luck, anon. I was just leaving her to her fate honestly.
>>730485825What if B is lying and didn't make the flute at all?
>>730484791/LGBT/ is over there
>>730484603Money is a means to facilitate exchange. In this scenario the only object to be exchanged is the flute. The flute should go to someone who can play it, so it goes to A.
>>730484791Uh oh tranny meltie. KEKos lost
>>730485825>inserts his own premises>draws conclusions from his own premises
>>730486046>The flute should go to someone who can play itPerhaps. That is for the flute's owner to decide.
>>730484875>rigged experiment that equates stealing from people with voluntarily helping othersI don't know if what you say is true, but it is how these faggots tend to behave
>>730485814What if B and C are an insepid robotic/undead/demonic/alien menace and they physically don't have the lungs to play the flute?
>>730482617>It gets complicated with other goods like food or housingIt really doesn't. Is it someone's? Yes? Are they willing to part with it whatever reason you give them? No? It stays theirs. The apartment is the landowner's even if they stay the nights somewhere else and if person A got a place, but will use it as housing instead and can afford it or if person B will too use it for housing, but is poor and homeless. It stays the owner's no matter the situation. The bread's the baker's even if Aladdin or those homeless kids could use it and even for a good and "moral" cause. The guards were right to chase him all along while he just sang "One Jump Ahead" and jumped from a high place to end-up unharmed on the ground and they ended-up neck-deep in Crazy Hakim's Fertailizer.Showed those law enforcers what's what.Stealing is still stealing. No matter why you do it. The reason might make you more sympathetic, but it won't make you right.All logic points to this. It's them pesky emotions people seem to feel that might change someone's opinion in the first place.Justice is blind.It's a clear black and white issue.
>>730485190>2. let it go because it's just a physical thing and it's not like you can't just get another one>so what are you going to do? most people will be pissed for a while but then let it go because there's nothing you can do, unless you see that nigger walking down the street with your bike, but that's a different store. assuming the thief is smart, you'll never see the damn thing again.Okay, but that's not what's being expressed.The cuckery is in shrugging your shoulders and being happy for the thief
>>730486128>think about something>draw conclusions from thoughtDamn, caught me thinkin
>>730485925Thankfully matters of material reality can often be verified. If she lied then we can try to find the rightful owner or if that fails do with it as we wish. If it is unclear whether she lied or not we can hold it for some time as a third party.Past that I'd rather not get into every little intricacy.
>>730479313Give the flute to Child C. Child A and B need correction.
>>730485408makes B happy and reinforces the idea that people shouldn't take things from you that you own
>>730485559I don't think you meant to respond to me with that
>>730479313A says she's good with a flute, implying she already has a flute, therefore there is no need to give her another oneC says she's poor, but clearly, no actual poorfag would have enough money to style their hair that way and in addition, if she was poor, giving her a flute wouldn't improve her life considerably, giving her money would, therefore, there is no need to give her a flutethus, by process of elimination, the flute belongs to B by default
>>730486149>>730485659
>>730479578Accurate.
>>730479313>Child A is skilled in music (White)>Child B is skilled in labour (Chinese)>Child C is a subhuman (Indian)You see in todays world Child C who is the most useless would take Child B's job because they are retarded and exploitable and then you have an even shittier product (coated with feces) which Child A can not even use, therefore destroying the whole system.
>>730486243>Why do you assume the premise of these personas are true? Have you considered they might be false, even though the proposed scenario neither mentions nor accomodates this?This is you.
B can keep her flute, I buy A a flute and compensate B the amount paid for A's flute to be fair, and take C to an orphanage.
>>730486243No anon. Its a very simple thought experiment. There is no reason to lie or convey false information without that being stated as part of the premise. Like having three pieces of information, and knowing one piece is false, and the trick is figuring out which answer is mutually exclusive to the other two. Which isn't whats happening.
>>730485578Fair pointbut also, A's claim is tentative because it's not absolute. It's very unlikely that the others can literally not operate the flute at all, so it's a question of prowess
>>730485693Which child provides the most value out of having the flute?>being this obtuse to run out the clock on the bump limit
>>730486304Did you have any reason to consider the children can lie aside from removing possible upsides from giving the flute to anyone other than B?
>>730479313If you give the flute to A or C, what's stopping B from making a sharp stick to get it back when you're not looking? What if B promises to make another flute(of lesser quality/value) to the other flute-less child, hands them a sharp stick, and tells them to bring them the original by any means necessary?
>>730486478Child C
>>730486478B. It enforces the rules of a just society.
>>730486463I assume they all have hands and mouths, so they can all use a flute, as in blow air through it. I don't believe that was ever into question.
>>730486402>>730486442Did you know that hypotheticals can be stretched beyond their initial premise? Are you this unimaginative? Their entire purpose is to get you to think. If you didn't know already, people lie in the real world.If you want an answer to the first question look here >>730486313
>>730485659This person should have all his flutes taken, forever. That is the only just and equal solution.
>>730486478>Which child provides the most value out of having the flute?A, I suppose. I hope that's what the flute's owner decides.
>>730486564See here >>730485659The point of the experiment is that idea of a perfectly just society is flawed
>>730486243If you insert your own premises into an example, then you derail the example. If that is allowed, then your opponent can say that when you say "I think therefore I am", you might be using code for "I refuse to suck cock unless it first fucks my asshole". Because you haven't explicitly said that is not what you meant, then that meaning is up for grabs. If that sounds fucking stupid to you, it's because it is. And so is inserting your own premises into an example.
>>730486625No it's not. A perfectly just society doesn't have flutes taken from the children who made them with their own resources.
>>730486202>Stealing is still stealing. No matter why you do it. The reason might make you more sympathetic, but it won't make you right.If you are literally going to starve and have absolutely no other way of getting food, stealing a loaf of bread is not wrong. We project our morals on the world (and they're important) but survival is the most basic rule of nature
>>730486715From the point of child C, child B is evil
>>730486576Tell me, lying anon, what can be gained by adding deception to the equation? The problem is based around 3 children giving reasons as to why they should get the flute, the reasons being categorized as "will make the best use of it", "has created it" and "will be happier with it", with you choosing which you value the most. Adding lying into the mix is worthless. Lets say child A is lying... now what? What is her true deal? We dont know, deductive reasoning is not part of the scenario nor does it enhance it. Nothing can be gained by this.
>>730486313>makes B happyHaving the flute be played provides happiness to everyone>people shouldn't take things from you that you ownThere's no reason to own things you have no use for, things should go to people that have a use for them.
>>730479770If child B made the flute as a job for child D, irregardless of him being the owner of all tools and flutemaking methods, then it's child D's flute, and people should pay if they want it. If child B made it for herself on her off hour, it belongs to child B. Also child D is a Jew, which does not sway me either which way.
>>730486625>"perfect justice" is flawed so therefore we can just ignore justice>"perfect objectivity" is impossible to achieve so I can just print bullshit and liesThese disgusting people have never heard of doing the best they can
>>730486576based retard
>>730486478Are you just doing a funny here or do you genuinely believe it would be morally correct for someone to break into your home and take your pots and pans because your neighbour is really good at cooking and could make nice meals for his family with them
>anon A>my dick is biggest so I should get to fuck B's wife>anon B>that's my wife, go find your own>anon C>no one will fuck me so letting me fuck B's wife will improve my life by the greatest amount
>>730486807>There's no reason to own things you have no use for, things should go to people that have a use for them.That's why trade exists.Pay B for the flute she made.
>>730486814I knew this dude in IT>Make a program on his off day>Program become popular >Due to company's policy, IT program made by employee is legally the company's property >Get into a lawsuitIt depends I suppose
>>730486785Child C is a parasite who drags down society
>>730486785C should run for president and change the laws on property then, or start a campaign for giving flutes to the poor. As the smartest and most powerful person in this situation I can disregard C's view point as I see fit. A society only functions if its rules are enforced, and a society needs power to enforce rules. Power supposedly comes from the people; our supposedly democratically created property laws, supposedly enforced by the highest power in the area, state that theft is wrong.
You give the flute to the most skilled player, pay the one that made it, and tell the poor to go to school.
>>730486929Obviously not. Clearly what he believes is that if someone *already had* taken your pots and pans the correct thing to do would be to give them to a better chef.
>>730486814>"child" D
You are all worse than the jews.
>>730479313I like how so many anons here struggle with this, but this is a very common example used to explain political perspectives. The capitalist would argue that Child A should get the flute (capital), because she's the only one who can make use of it. The libertarian thinks child B should have the flute, because it was child B that produced the flute and she owns it by virtue of being its creator (also, I guess naturalists would also argue this point). And of course, the economic socialist would argue that child C should get the flute, because child B is the one worst off of the three. Though I am a liberalist, I will defend the economic socialist in this instance because an economic socialist would only give the flute to child C if, and only if, the flute would actually generate some kind of way out of the poverty. Seeing as child C can't play the flute, they can neither find happiness nor economic reprieve from it, and so the economic socialist would probably end up giving it to child B. The real example of the three children and the flute is quite a bit longer than this picture.
>>730486983what if the one who made it wants to keep it and learn for themselves?
>>730486983>Most skilledSubjectiveAll three are the most 'skilled'
>>730486807>Having the flute be played provides happiness to everyoneproof?>There's no reason to own things you have no use fordefine "no use for"its up to B what its use is, and she has every right to make flute collecting dust collectors and be angered when they're stolen
>>730486916>haha cat can't read so I'm going to mock mine on the internet for social media pointsNot criticising you for posting it though
>>730486994>officer someone stole all my pots and pans>yep we've got them right here, please bring in a sample of your cooking or I will be giving it to this I know whos a pretty good chef
>>730487015Funny how nothing about that has to do with 3 kids and a flute.
>>730486952>>Due to company's policy, IT program made by employee is legally the company's propertyfuck corporationsparasitic cunts
>>730483181Communism is an economic model, not an ideology
>>730487032>All three are the most 'skilled'Is begging a skill?
>>730487015The actual experiment used 3 children as an example because the experimenter believes Children have strong sense of justice and perfectly embodied human nature, not whatever this is. It, however, was also used to demonstrate that the idea of justice doesn't address inequality
>>730487073When due process fails us we truly do live in a world of terror.
>>730486802>what can be gained by adding deception to the equation?You do not know the intentions or ability of others without built up experience. This is what I believed to be an incredibly simple observation. I don't immediately trust the word of people I don't know.If I happened on this scenario walking the street I wouldn't think of "Ah yes child A is better poised to benefit from the flute and share with others her gift yada yada". I would think that child B seems to be the owner so then I would give it to her.Are you a sucker that believes whatever anyone says? I hope not. You don't know the truth of every scenario and I tried to show that extremely simple fact to you.
>>730487096Yup. But people have an easier time to understand principles if the example gives a less syllable intensive workout.
This isn't some interesting philosophical quandry. This isn't even a fucking debate. The image literally tells you the answer.
>>730487203it's an ideologically driven economic model, and it doesn't exist without the ideology
>>730486612>A, I supposeYes! Finally, someone who can answer a simple question honestly.>I hope that's what the flute's owner decidesThere's no reason to introduce unnecessary friction for where we've determined the flute should go
>>730487259Sounds like free-market capitalism, another objectively failed economic model-as-ideology
>>730487208I'm not aware of any experiment. I just know it from political philosophy.
>>730487208>the idea of justice doesn't address inequalityThe glaring flaw being the assumption that it SHOULD address inequalityWhy should it? Does inequality need to be addressed?
>>730487219Anon... are you well? Are you trying to generate engagement by adding needless and unproductive variables to this simple situation? Do you truly believe this fictional, straightforward scenario is hiding some sort of deception?
>>730483596Would you rather people be dead, or happy, at the very least complacent. No matter how power hungry or oonga boonga anyone is, nobody wants everyone dead. Obviously righteousness without force is just delusion but that's the equivalent of going "Man if a tiger wasn't a tiger it would get it's ass kicked."
>>730487261>avoiding theft is unnecessary friction
>>730487336>nobody wants everyone dead.prove I don't?
>>730487261>we'veI am not involved in the decision since it is not my property.
>>730487103Read your work contract carefully in the future. Any contract with an "IP Clause" mean anything that you ever created while working at a company legally belongs to the corporation
>>730487415I know these clauses exist, and they're still complete bullshit
>>730487309From the point of view of Child C, based on his upbringing and moral, Child B having a flute isn't justice for him. That's why >>730485659
>>730482221This post reminds me of that video of the guy who went around handing machettes to homeless people
>>730484335Dead people don't produce goods or pay taxes.Someone who is dead can never do anything for you again.And if you've shown you'll unreasonably kill then you're just going to start pointless wars that go on forever.
>>730487330A good way to flesh out your thoughts is to put it out there with real people. Your unwillingness to engage with it is fine. If you believe there is nothing to gain with further discussion then don't reply. Unless your own engagement farming is the goal.
>>730487330Not him but given that it literally tells you who owns the flute, yes. The flute is Child B's property.Let me reiterate, since you don't seem to understand.Child B.Owns the flute.Child. B. Owns the flute. The image says so.Would you mind explaining to me how distracting the reader from that fact would NOT be deceiving him?
>>730487506Why does Child C's lack of a flute need to be addressed?
>>730487529Your thoughts, those being to apply the possibility of lies to this scenario, lead to a dead end, as no conclusion can be made without adding more variables which entirely miss the point of the scenario. You're not being smart or thoughtfull by applying so called "real people logic" to these personas, you're just making it impossible to construct any proper logic and instead replacing by made up assumptions.
>>730487372You may, but at least you're not in a position of power.Even if you were, you wouldn't be in one for long....
>>730487398What's the purpose of respecting property if that prevents the observable best outcome?
>>730487532All it says is child B made the flute, doesnt say she owns it, making something is not the same as ownership. Regardless, it is not deception to have each child present their reasons.
>>730487686I guess a disingenuous faggot like him is easier to engage with than a simple statement of fact (>>730487532). Resort to all your politicians, economics, philosophers, fallacies and/or fallacy calling, you all miss that simple deception at play in this prompt. Willingly or ignorantly, it doesn't matter. You've all elevated yourselves above the truth.
>>730483079If your philosophy crumbles the milliseconds into it's induction then of course it doesn't work.Nobody is going to trust the retard who kills everyone on sight and no matter how much he wants it as some point the MMR dude gets tired of fighting.
>>730487756Because if you don't respect property then you have no way of ensuring the flute remains A's property and securing the desired outcome.
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>>730487716What if I concealed it until my plan was far enough along that no one could stop me
>>730487850These words imply child B had the flute at some point, obviously. We have the flute now. Do we own it?
>>730487532In any case it's not a problem of ownership, the question is who we will give it too. If we feel like giving it to someone who doesnt have any claim of ownership, we might aswell. The problem isnt about finding the original owner after all.
>>730484785One flute to rule them allOne flute to find themOne flute to bring them allAnd in the darkness bind them
>>730487824There's no reason the mechanisms which ensure A keeps the flute because it's her property couldn't ensure A keeps the flute because it's the best outcome, so why wouldn't we just do that?
>>730487686>no conclusion can be madeThe conclusion that in the absence of all knowing truth, or prior experience, a judgement cannot be made as to the value added to the other children as opposed to defaulting to judgement based on ownership rights.It's like pulling teeth with you. I already said this before. I don't give a shit about the base premise of the hypothetical. Engage or don't with my own version. I'm not forcing you to reply and seethe about how it's "impossible to construct logic".Disagree, agree, or abstain. Don't whine and complain like a child or woman.
>>730485007Quick reminder that the bikecuck guy went on a date with a zoomette who basically laughed in his face and asked him "are you the bikecuck guy??" Before taking a picture of him and spending the rest of the date on her phone
>>730487914>Do we own it?...No? Asked and answered.>>730487982>the question is who we will give it tooI'm glad you've understood this much, but it's phrased "who WOULD you give the flute to?". This is by design to see if they can goad retards like (You) into red herrings, even if an answer (who actually owns the flute) is already given to you. So congratulations, you've been tricked.
>>730479313Go ahead. Take it from me.
>>730485408Whatever value you fucking stole from her to begin with you cretinShe made it and it's hers
>>730487894Then they deserved it if they really let you get your way without questioning anything.Unless it's some magic sci-fi shit.
>>730488160>I'm glad you've understood this much, but it's phrased "who WOULD you give the flute to?". This is by design to see if they can goad retards like (You) into red herrings, even if an answer (who actually owns the flute) is already given to you. So congratulations, you've been tricked.I might have been tricked too effectively because i got no idea what point you're making.
