>so anyway if you won't fight you won't lose soldiers, so I've decided to betray the NCR to save NCRWhat kind of logic is this?
It's this kind of logic:>if you won't fight you won't lose soldiers, so he decided to betray the NCR to save NCR
>>730489001I don't get it
>>730489058[Speech 100] You don't have to worry about holding the East if you don't try holding the East
There is no logic. The whole point of this quest is Chief Hanlon crashed the fuck out. If you threaten to report him, he blows his fucking head off. You’re dealing with an old man whose composure was peeled off from the strung out Mojave war effort. Zoomies and Gen Alpha are retarded
>>730489408Why should I report him if he's right?
Sabotaging NCR's defense at the dam saves more lives than successfully defending it and posting more soldiers to annex the rest of the Mojave. It's actually one of the best choices to make if you side with House, along with promising to regulate trade coming into Vegas to General Oliver.
>>730489640because fallout is a set of tools to tell a narrative and you as the player have the freedom to do so. In a series where the choices boil down to the logical one and the contrarian one more often than not this would represent that contrarian option
>>730488952He will make the NCR lose more soldiers in the short run rather than see it collapse in the long.
>>730488952>paying attention to the plot
>>730489708>Despite distinguishing themselves during the Second Battle of Hoover Dam, the rangers' victory was short-lived due to the Courier's interference. Chief Hanlon personally directed the evacuation of the rangers to Mojave Outpost as they fell back into NCR territory. Bitter over the waste of life in the Mojave, Hanlon stepped down from his post. After a campaign in which he denounced Oliver's and Kimball's hawkish, imperialist ways, Hanlon was elected as the senator of Redding.I say it's a great ending
How do you expand the NCR if you got men like this that crack?
>>730489834You don't expand the NCR, simple as
How is it americans can't understand NCR in NV despite 70% of the game telling them they're just The Legion but without the football gear, the competence and any care at all for their own.
>>730489932Because they live in the same denial lmao
>>730489834I mean, no one's immune to stress and wearing down from attrition, unless they're a robot or an amoral sociopath
>>730489834You’re not supposed to. Even your average layman complains that the NCR is overextending
>>730489834Hes fighting a war backed by indifferent politicians, who send the sons and daughters of families to die in a foreign area against an enemy as sadistic and demented as the Legion. If they arent getting killed by them then its Fiends or some form of wildlife or demoralization setting into the troops.
>>730490109*clears throat*
NCR stands for the New California Republic, it's not supposed to be in Nevada in the first place.
>>730490247To be fair, he was originally an amoral sociopath before getting punished by the Legion, and ended up becoming a bloodthirsty - but now moral - sociopath
>>730490510Nah, Graham is alright, he just lives by the Old Testament, and the Old Testament God is a fucking psycho. New Canaan showed him what he's lost, which is agápē.
>>730490510>sociopath>moral kek, he just something he hates.once that gone, he just I new this to hate.
>to protect the soldiers I've decided to fuck over all the soldiers already here
>>730490598yeah, but what's he actually learned from it but being ruthless to good people is what made him the burned man? that's why his showing salt upon wounds mercy is the pivotal moment for the character.
>>730490632Does ouslandr speak English?
>>730490632salt upon wounds…
>>730490687>>730490743
>>730490670It's not really about good people, but people overall. When you have the Goal tm, the end justifies the means. It was the same mental gymnastics with the Legion, a human pride made absolute. The Legion thinks they do the right thing. Joshua, too, thinks he does the right thing by declaring a total war and basically doing the same shit he did in the Legion, but now armed with cool bible quotes that are supposed to justify his actions.It's not about mercy per se, it's about humility. And he's not a humble man at all, thus he has deep-rooted issues with obedience to God and his design. This is what (you), the player, point out.
>>730489932Too close to home
>>730490247A mentally ill mormon preacher whose entire existence has hurt everyone around him is not a good example. I find it weird that you never see Daniel lowkey mention that the whole White Legs situation is Grahams fault
>>730490247>loses once>goes back to being a religious dude quoting the OTIts like how in Joker or American History X, they get raped once and start becoming good boys.
>>730490970Nor does Graham show much guilt for knowing that the whole situation is his fault
>>730490970Breh, it's not very Christian to abandon your brother in his hour of need, aka when an army assassins and frumentarii hunt him down. Besides, it's not about only about Joshua. Caesar needed to cut NCR's supply lines to the north, and New Canaan would've become a target regardless. The same goes to Zion, as the While Legs were actively expanding down to the south.
>>730489834It’s less about that he cracked and more that he didn’t want to just keep throwing men and resources to take a territory that would just be used up by the fucked up nightmare that is the NCR government. If they take the Mojave it’s just another place for the Brahmin Barons to exploit, more aquifers and lakes to drain, more land for small farmers and ranchers to be pushed out of, more caravan companies bought out and consolidated under CC. He is basically the guy in power that has said what multiple NCR affiliated people have, the bear needs to look inward and fix its own bullshit before it starts stomping in other people’s backyard. Did he go about it in a retarded and destructive way? Absolutely there were so many different methods he could have done like having his men be diverted to “more strategically advantageous positions” along the trade roads that would have been safer.
>>730491217Ironically the best outcome for the NCR is the House end where you maintain relations with the NCR and negotiate trade and securing the caravans with Oliver at the end of the game. NCR ends its expansionism spearheaded by Oliver and Kimball who likely get thrown out of office, still has access to the dam and lake albeit at a cost, and a third party keeps the caravans in check. Meanwhile the Legion collapses in the east and Vegas serves as a buffering zone.
>>730490632>sociopath>moralNot a contradiction btw. Morals are just a set of rules. Conscientious types with little empathy may find such rules appealing nonetheless.
People tend to forget that New Canaanites weren't exactly peaceful themselves. They had massive military storages (which the White Legs took for themselves), .45 autos were their signature guns, and they took great pride in their knowledge of mechanics and weaponry.
>>730491394>Morals are just a set of rules.t. KantIt doesn't work like that
>>730490665>dam'd if I do, dam'd if I don't
>>730491350It really is, I am more or less and NCRfag and I think it would allow for some interesting avenues to go down in regard to storytelling and narrative. Like imagine a game set in the NCR core territories where you can help or hinder reform navigate all the bullshit and try to find your own niche within it.
>>730491557>if you bear you can’t bull
>>730491484Yes it does
>>730491720Are you suggesting gray moral doesn't exist?
>>730491484Then how does it work? If someone does all the moral things expected by their society, but they lack empathy, are they not moral?
>>730488952It's the same logic that keeps westerners from doing anything to save their country from the criminals running it.>If I just stay here and do nothing I won't lose any of my family members, freedoms or comforts. >Sure the country will collapse but at least I FEEL safe, right now, at this moment.
>So basically violence is wrong cuz muh religion, so we should let the sadistic rapist murderer cannibals who've already wiped out my entire clan/civilization among countless others for the lulz have all the rest of our stuff and land because if we fought them off we would be just as bad as them mmkay?Name one more character more blatantly wrong and retarded than Daniel in the entirety of New Vegas, you literally can't.
>>730491808>If someone does all the moral things expected by their societyAn impossible statement by default, because you can't please everyone. A lack of conscience and empathy makes your judgement faulty when you end up in a situation for which you have no manual for.tl;dr just because you are correct doesn't mean you are right
>>730491826STANDING HERE I REALIZE
>>730491398They will defend themselves but don’t go invade other people. They even spared the white legs in Syracuse previously.That pacifism is probably what prompted Joshua to throw his hat in with the legion, similar to Caesar with the Followers
>>730491952Daniel's biggest mistake was not even that. It's the fact that he believes the Sorrows are subhumans, without stating it outright, but Waking Cloud's quest confirms as much, and can't make decisions for themselves.
>>730491952Everything Dan about evacuating is more or less a cope. He is traumatized by what happened in New Canaan and wants to preserve a perceived innocence that he sees in the Sorrows. He is not happy in any of the endings but at least the tribes can live and learn not to just slaughter everyone when you talk Josh down. Though it felt like there may have been more to it at some point but they ran out of time for.
>>730492087*Everything Dan says about fucking hell man.
>>730492070It really is telling that a dude who knew them as actual children treated and never directly spoke with any of them showed more respect than a dude who interacted with them on a daily basis.
>>730492031>That pacifism is probably what prompted Joshua to throw his hat in with the legionHe most likely was a young hothead who thought the ancient wisdom is stupid and he knows better without experiencing life first, so he must remake the world in his image, and Edward's megalomania aligned with that purpose just right. Many, many such cases.
>>730492070Ironically he is proven right in the most retarded writing decision ever, because if you choose to fight off the White Legs with the help of The Sorrows they eventually become just as war-crazed and murderous. Because War le Never le Changes XD. They didn't learn to defend themselves in a morally justified war, they learned that killing feel good when me fire machine gun into other grugs. Honest Hearts is such a shit DLC.
>>730492280>Ironically he is proven right in the most retarded writing decision ever, because if you choose to fight off the White Legs with the help of The Sorrows they eventually become just as war-crazed and murderous.No? They're doing just fine if you spare Salt. Joshua's route + stopping his hand is the most Randall Clark ending for HH
>>730491952I hate him because of his grotesque character model. Fugliest NPC in New Vegas.
>>730492341He looks the same as that shopkeeper in goodsprings.
>>730492070Hes Mormon they like Jews believe anyone who does not follow their religion is beneath them.
>>730488952terminal levels of "if you kill your enemies, they win"
>>730492261It seemed more banal by the way he described it. I always figured it was less open rebellion at first and more just what was most efficient and simplest. He probably figured he could steer them in the right direction eventually. But when the time came he was the worst of them all. You can sort of get an idea of it too given The Legion having a prohibition on chems and alcohol which sounds like something a mormon would throw in given that the Romans were known for their love of wine and revelry and Caesar would have known that.
>>730492334Sparing Salt is a retarded decision that should never have even been an option. If if you chose to spare him Joshua should have just executed him in front of you to make a point, it would have been a better narrative and world-building decision to have strong characters who could come after you chose something to say "No, fuck that."
>>730492206I'm convinced Daniel doesn't really give a fuck about the Sorrows, not on a personal level. They are his 'mission', his 'good man of God' checkmark, and he's too stupid to see that they are living just fine without his guidance. Both Joshua and Daniel are extremely prideful, just in different ways.
>>730492451A very idiotic approach, considering that there's like thirty of them left and they need to adapt in order to survive as a tribe.
>>730492280if you have them fight the white legs and spare salt upon wounds and then talk joshua down the tribes learn that defending themselves is good without becoming violent retards
>>730492489>I'm convinced Daniel doesn't really give a fuck about the Sorrows, not on a personal level. They are his 'mission'Well yeah, that's the whole point. Him and Josh play two roles representing different aspects of different ideas. For example Josh holds more Old Testament esque views in regards to dealing with problems while Daniel is more New Testament. Both also exhibit flaws that the people that follow one or the other show. But in this specific instance it is a matter of colonialism. Josh is the simple straightforward conquest colonialism. Wipe out the enemy and make them bow at your feet. While Dan is the white man's burden side. He believes that it is his duty to "save and enlighten" the poor and noble savages who do not know any better due to being innocents unexposed to the larger world.
>>730492631Weren’t they defending themselves before? The conflict of the White Legs was just bringing out the worst in them, because they salt the Earth and have no sense of resource management, agriculture or long term investment like other tribes/nations do.
>>730492631Always seemed like an extremely retarded option to me. You kill your way through dozens of heavily armed tribesmen, stealth is not possible without spamming stealth boys, and then at the end you just have to take the sadistic murder rapist cannibal at his word at gunpoint that he'll be a good boy now and walk away if you just let him go. I don't like the end of Honest Hearts, it really never seemed like there were many choices at all for the whole DLC other than "Be a cartoonish genocidal maniac" or "Kill these retarded savages before they become a real problem."
>>730492795You killed all of his tribe's warriors and psychologically buck broke him. General Gobbledygook is basically some shithead kid that picks on the smaller kids at the playground. But then someone called in Big Bro Josh and his buddy to whoop his ass so now he is crying and pissing himself.
The loot chest at the end of Honest Hearts is still one of the most retarded things in New Vegas.
>>730492456In the Legion, you can only be addicted to Caesar. Ave, trve to him. Jokes aside, it all started with Graham's mistranslation. He didn't mean the three of them to get captured. And the rest goes like this>Translation became giving orders. Giving orders became leading in battle. Leading in battle became training, punishing, terrorizing. A series of small mistakes before a great fall. And I stayed in that darkness until after Hoover Dam.I'd assume he was already too deep in the chain of command when Caesar took control of the Blackfoot, and abandoning it all didn't seem like a bright prospect. Perhaps it was indeed the case of missionary 'I can fix them' work go horribly awry. In that regard, Daniel provides even more insight than Graham:>He is a monument both to God's unending forgiveness and to humanity's unfathomable capacity for cruelty. It's written on every inch of his body! When you look at him, do you only see a man of God? Beneath those bandages, he is burned flesh. As he burns, so does he consume everyone around him. Joshua wants to fight because the White Legs have stoked the naked flame inside of him. You, you see the light, but do not yet feel the heat. I can pray that you never will, but it isn't up to me and it isn't up to God. It's up to Joshua.I'm convinced that this 'righteous' flame was there long before he met Caesar. He rebelled in a sense of the primordial sin by indulging his demons instead of putting his trust in God, that I'd agree on. In the end, even he admits it was never Caesar's or God's fault, those were his actions, his desire, and his alone. Sad but trve.
>>730492480>a character having no intense internal conflict is a good writingBuddy you are a fool
>>730493154He definitely has a problem with saying that his anger is that of God and using it to justify his actions. Though I still like the idea that it didn't start with him going full fire and brimstone and pistol whipping some tribal to death when fucked something up.
>>730493194>intense internal conflict>should I execute this room temp IQ psychopath feral human warlord or let him go because he's sowwy for being a bad boyYeah wow man that's a toughie. Really had to take a step back and ponder the moral implications of that one. Fucking retard.
>>730493310>Though I still like the idea that it didn't start with him going full fire and brimstone and pistol whipping some tribal to death when fucked something up.Well, it's easier to say that it was Edward who got them into trouble kek
>>730493154Graham chose to stay unlike the other guy who went back to the Followers. He probably thought he was doing the right thing using violence to civilize the tribals and whipping the Southwest into order. IMO he probably had his own idea on the Legion's direction for their "synthesis" and it's the main reason he got burnt. It's why Lanius is emphasized to be loyal only to Ed and not to the legion, has zero intellectual ambition and doesn't seems too scared about retreating at Hoover Dam
>>730493429>because he's sowwy for being a bad boyPlay the game first, then post fanfics that never happened later. This is not the reason why you convince Joshua to let him go. This is why>Joshua, you've already won. Look around you. There's no need to kill him. >JG: He has a debt to pay for what he's done and I've come to collect. And so he's chosen to cower in the water like a dumb animal. >If what you believe is true, he'll pay for it later. The Sorrows don't need to see you do this.If you don't have enough Speech, you say the tldr>Who are you to decide this?>[FAILED] I am the right hand of the Lord and the instrument of his vengeance! Do you see why he accepts he's misguided, or should you educate yourself on the basic principles of faith first? It wasn't justice. It was his wrath. His wrath, not God's. He tells you that; you don't convince him of anything he doesn't already know himself. I could also note that mormons don't believe in the primordial sin, as in that the sin is in our blood from the start. They believe that only the choices they pick truly make them sinners, and for those they must repent. It's a very practical approach.
>>730493757The idea itself wasn't bad per se, someone would've unite the tribes at some point anyway. But the fact that Edward has turned it into a warmachine instead of a proper civilization was. He simply needed to make an actual SPQR instead of his personal dollhouse, or better yet, build something new instead of thriving on the old world's failures. We have the whole Lonesome Road to tell us why jerking off to symbols is a shitty idea.
>>730488952>if you kill people, they dieWhat was the point of taking the Dam again?
>>730492934 Exactly. Salt's whole persona is posturing. The second his muscle's gone, the man's just a broken dog begging for scraps in a corner. Letting him go isn't mercy, it's showing him he lost everything and gets to live with it. Honestly, it’s more poetic justice than putting a bullet in his skull-death would’ve been too easy for that psycho. Watching the fire in his eyes snuff out when Joshua lowers the pistol says it all.
>>730496068Reminds me that if you let Benny go he'll end up on Caesar's cross anyway
>>730489408>crashed the fuck out>Zoomies and Gen Alpha are retardedPick one you teenaged nigger monkey, no White adult speaks like this.
>>730488952He wants a strategic retreat instead of an assblasting that demolishes the Mojave forces, which he assumes will happen because Oliver is a complete retard who's placing his own ego over sensible military strategy.
Courier-Benny and Joshua-Salt are basically mirror storiesThat being said, the Courier has no sins to repent for, so it's okay to kill Benny
>>730497003But the Divide....
>>730497256I'm gonna repent for the Divide by killing Ulysses
>>730497256>But the Divide....You mean the old military base fought over by NCR and Legion, with zero traces of any post-2077 population beyond that?
>>730497256>blaming a gun for shootingIs Ulysses retarded? Who the fuck blames a courier for a delivery?
>>730492795Killing him provides martyrdom, sparing him shows the tribals that their command structure is pathetic. You'd think people would understand this when christian doctrine is at the heart of this DLC, a religion created because people got so buttmad one of their own was made a martyr.
The NCR is aggressively expansionist and all their wars are being fought by forcibly conscripted, poorly-geared/trained young plebs the NCR's draft officers grab. Hanlon has become disgusted by the NCR government's actions and wants to crash their fukken war so hard it causes the pro-war regime in Shady Sands to get vooot'd out. Of course the NCR politicians are too addicted to plundering foreign lands to sustain their lifestyles, so they gonna keep plundering bro
>>730498010>poorly-geared?????
>>730492404and Chet's an ugly motherfucker, too
>>730498813https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Arms_merchant>Going home didn't feel right, not with those savages camped on the other side of the river, sharpening their knives. And I still get to see my old platoon when they pass through here... make sure the new C.O. is treating them right, and sneak them extra ammo. Anyway, I was always complaining about the standard issue gear. The new kids don't even get body armor, can you believe that?
>>730497704>Is Ulysses retarded?Yeah he a person who was trained to by his culture to see symbolism in everything, including inane action
Why did Kris Kristofferson even agree to this? He was retired and rich.
>>730499187Lmaoing at NCR plebs, join the Legion today, we know how to make the Real Men outta pussies
>>730499326It's not like the role to up much time, he probably was only in the recording booth for 3 hours at most
>>730488952Expecting logic from leftists.
>>730491350This would be true if it wasn’t for the fine print in House’s contracts on what kind of payment he expects for Water and Electricity. Those rates will literally bankrupt the NCR by 2079.
>>730499940And?
>>730500136How the fuck is the best outcome for the NCR getting their entire economy destroyed by House’s insane greed?
>>730500213Either that, or Todd. Pick your poison
>the NCR knew they aren't gonna hold the dam>the Legion knew they aren't gonna win the battle against a proper military forceWhy did the first battle of hoover dam even happen?
>>730488952He's trying to make the NCR quit the war effort for their sake.
>>730489807and then he gets blown up along with the rest of the NCR lmfao
>>730501782Redding is all the way up to the north from SS
>>730501902Who cares about geography?
>>730502062t. odd
>>730499940>will literally bankrupt the NCR by 2079.thats pretty specific, cause you say so?
>>730489932The literal first section of the game is ncr (the powder gangers are all ncr citizens) affiliated criminals terrorizing multiple innocent townships, while the ncr proper sits on their ass and is doing bureaucratic fuck all at the Mojave outpost, and it should be noted just how retarded and incompetent it is to use criminals as slave labor but arm them with dynamite. People will see this and say >wow these are the good guys
>>730502285B-but muh rangers patrolling the roads
>>730502408The roads in baja lmao
>>730502594Dont forget all the heavy troopers of which you see 0 of until the battle of Hoover Dam starts because they are all guarding brahim back home.
>>730502594Lmao. With all seriousness, what's going on in Mexico?
Reminder that the NCR after 92 years of existence still has raiders in their territory while the raiders and thugs are not in Legion territory because they have either been crucified or run off.
>>730502726Well yeah, the raiders in legion territory are in all likelihood a literal psyop. What makes the Brahmin barons Brahmin barons is their ability to actually trade. Having free trade harms their monopoly. Having a raider presence ensures only established merchant clans with the money to heavily arm their caravan can trade. Hell we literally are in game a Brahmin baron family killing competitors and posing as legion. Having raiders around means you don’t even need to do this
>>730503043>raiders in legion territoryRaiders in ncr territory*
is there any armor that looks as cool as the desert ranger combat armorno, it is the best
>>730503336A design so good the devs couldnt help but make 3 different non-faction tied versions of it for Lonesome Road.Hell, when i started playing Underrail i found out it somehow made its way over to it as well.
>>730492341it's because someone at obsidian decided to fuck around a little bit with sawyer and his hatred of white people
>>730503682Sawyer is such a fag
>>730503682I don't speak californian, how's that supposed to make any difference? He's still not a native guy nor someone from the 'wilder' tribes.
>>730503682Based anonymous employee.
>>730503682>If we make one of them asian it suddenly stops being a noble savage memeHaha, based employee exposing it for what it was
>>730502726>Ceasar engaging with tribal customs and respecting their culture My autism.... it's flaring.........................
>>730503682Guy was probably an asian not wanting to be the same race as Daniel
>>730504319The "effeminate asian man" jokes would have gone out of control
>>730504493>micropenis 丹尼尔>biggus dickus Malpais Legate, st. Joshua "The son of Nun" Graham
>>730497256New Hopeville wasn't real, Ulysses is telling you what will happen if you bring him ED-E, not something you already did
>>730502683"What's going on in Baja?">It's complicated. Goes way back. I told President Kimball that we need more rangers here. He accepted that, but took the most experienced ones and sent them south."There must be something good the rangers have done that you're proud of.">It's kind of a long one, but all right. About twenty, twenty-five years ago, a group of NCR settlers pushed way south into Baja. I guess it doesn't seem so far now if you look at a map, but back then, they were out a ways. They built this little shanty town around a well in the middle of nowhere. Called it Rattletail. Word got back to one of our stations that raiders had been attacking the place. I went out with six rangers. We must have been on the trail for a week before we got to Rattletail. We lost one woman to Night Stalkers and another almost died of dehydration. When we reach the place, it's six shacks set up around an old well. There's over two dozen bodies lying in the dunes way outside of town and five men with .308 rifles crouched behind sand bags. And these bodies, these people out in the sand, they aren't raiders. Aren't even heavily armed. They're just people who were trying to get to the only well in fifty miles. I didn't have to talk to the men to see that they did not care one bit. They had planted an NCR flag over the well and they would not budge until every last one of them was laid out, dead and cold. So I walked up and told them there was a group of raiders coming, one hundred strong. I made up some cockamamie name for them and everything. The men looked at each other, looked at us, and asked me what we were going to do about it. I told him we would take them back into NCR territory because we had already lost ten rangers on the way out. Ten rangers, five men with .308 rifles. Well, that was enough for them. They packed up what they could and we took them back north. Last I heard, they settled somewhere in Anza-Borrego.tl;dr Hanlon lied, NCR died
>>730504719>not something you already didAre you retarded? The bombs already exploded under the ground
>>730505409nuclear bunker busters dropped by the Chinese in the Great War, there's no evidence that the warheads in the missile bases exploded on their own
>>730504274What would Caesar do if he met an italian tribe?
>>730503682>According to SawyerDidn't bother reading the rest of it. Every paragraph in the wiki that starts with fucking "According to Sawyer" can be completely ignored.
>>730505971Everyone outside of America died.
>>730488952Doesn't matter>NCR nuked>Legion devolved into bickering over Caesar's corpse>House probably stuck in his goon chamber without any robussy left>Courier probably gets killed by a based alpha Brotherhood of Steel member
>>730505971The only way you could play off an Italian tribe in Fallout America would be sterotypical 1930s Italian mafia LARPers led by the biggest LARPer of them all calling himself Capone.
>>730488952Can't kill the men under his command if they're already dead. 4d chess.
>>730505971Well he did get the Omertas to cooperate
>>730506092I was talking about another bullshit case of 'oh so you see we has a bunch of german tourists stashed in there before the war', like they make their own pasta now and say bon appeti before they murder you
>>730506190>Courier probably gets killed by a based alpha Brotherhood of Steel memberNo, the Ghoul in the TV show is heavily implied to be Courier Six.
>>730506092I wonder how non-Americans who played FNV felt when they discovered places like Goodsprings, Nipton, and Searchlight are actual towns.
>>730506216So Gomorrah?
>>730506315>huh
>>730506286Mickey Maculkin is heavily implied to be Courier 6 because he has two scars on his forehead.
>>730506190>alpha brotherhood of steel memberI don't think there's a faggier faction in all of fallout. Maybe the followers but that's cheating.
The biggest problem with NV is every single choice in the entire game has to be some retarded conundrum because of the writers being black. There is one vault in 4 where at the bottom you can pick to either take the risk and open the treasure, or kill the entire plant and shut it down. Shutting it down results in no treasure. Opening the vault opens fucking two of those laser cannon death bots up who instantly smoke you. I tried waiting until the very end of the game when I was near invincible and these things were just barely able to be stopped, and these treasure was like two stimpaks or some shit. I literally reloaded the save and left, after fucking eight hours of planning. Totally worthless series after 3. Niggers.
>>730506373after 2*
>>730506373after 1*
>>730506373>and these treasure was like two stimpaks or some shitNew Vegas is FULL of garbage like that. If the cave/house/ruin isn't just completely fucking actually devoid of any assets at all, your reward is 2 bobby pins and a bottle of dirty water. New Vegas fans will defend it to the death too because>m-m-muh realismums
>>730489834The bureaucracy outlives the men who comprise it and automatically produces adequate replacements
>>730489834you dont not unless you can solidify your rule over your existing territory, from what we've seen theres trouble even in core ncr land
>>730490665fucked over the soldiers there now so that kimball/oliver doesnt fuck over the millions of trooper getting sent to die defending mojave later
>>730506552have sex
>>730492631Sparing Salt Upon Wounds is probably one of the better uses of the "If you kill him you'll be just like him" trope in games. It's obvious that it didn't stop the Sorrows from becoming more warlike, considering they killed shitloads of White Legs, but to spare him taught them of mercy at a critical point.
>>730506950>mercyTemperance
>>730506552But all the caves are filled with enemies and either unique weapons or loot that will massively help you out at the point in the game you are at.I do agree there are locations that are really bad in terms of being anything besides a decoration piece, there's an entire radioactive-swamp biome on the middle-western extreme of the map and no quests happen there, just slight lore building and no really good loot worth getting.The far top corners of the map are also underutilized.
>>730490665Those soldiers were already fucked over.
>>730496732You are a beta male retard
>>730489834Just expand at a logistically justifiable pace
>>730507252See how well it worked for the roman republic
>>730507287Lasted longer than America did in both real life and in Fallout lore.
>>730500213sovereign nations renegotiate bad prices
>>730506950Not really mercy that sparing Salt taught them, but more to treat war and conflict as simply a means to defend oneself instead of revering and glorifying it like Joshua was planning on doing
>>730488952>What kind of logic is this?He's pissed the rangers are getting sidelined and this is his cope
>>730507428>House>renegotiatelmao
>>730496732>u cant use new words!why? do you think abstaining from new slang makes you a real adult?
>>730507065yeah, I'd say that from any higher vantage point it makes no difference whether you spare salt since you've doomed him and his people, so it just becomes a matter of controlling your own lust to punish him and see yourself in the role of God. So temperance is a very good word for it although I can't remember if the DLC was explicit about that.
>>730506190Bethasdaslop is not cannon retard
>>730490665He doesn't care about normal soldiers it's his rangers he gives a shit about
>>730507614He says a bunch of realist Westphalian stuff when you first talk to him. He obviously sees it both ways, he doesn't think if he sneaks in some ultra fine print on the edge of the contract that he gets to own the firstborn of every NCR woman. Laws and contracts are ultimately bound by force.
>>730507662It's mostly implied in Joshua's 'good' ending>He no longer reveled in the brutality and cruelty for which he had been known in his former life. >His inner demons, if not extinguished, were at the least... appeased. The Sorrows ending prefers 'mercy', but then again, as one anon itt noted, that's a more severe punishment in this particular case>Seeing the Courier convince Joshua Graham to spare Salt-Upon-Wounds, the Sorrows learned that retribution could be tempered by mercy.
>>730507287The Roman republic didn't have stuff like radio communication and vehicular/aerial transport
>>730502726yeah because all the raiders join up with the army
>>730506552Exactly. It’s even more of a slap in the face when there are people DYING over some weird existential shit related to the fucking box or whatever they’re fighting over was. Like OMG better make sure all the ghouls don’t get wiped out!! Also as a reward for saving an entire race, 5 bottle caps. Not even enough for ammo. Bet you feel pretty good, huh?
>>730504785Hanlon is such an anti-expansionist
>>730504785oh fuck me is that really why the vets are in baja
>>730508552its the best stance you can have consider ncr's position at that time
>>730508693I don't think so. Sending rangers to Baja is Hanlon's idea in the first place, he just think sending all the vets is overkill and probably Kimball fucking with him
>>730506092Except Bethesda keeps adding Irish and English people in their games
>>730508552The NCR doesn't have anyone to trade with/against that showcases its industrial strength. The NCR is incredibly wasteful and heavily reliant on imports, which means they're still a "raider" society with a nice veneer of gloss. With Tandi de facto queen for decades, she not once created an industry that the NCR can export to gain influence on settlements and absorb them into the territory. All they can do to keep the lights on is conquer, and the debt they're accruing to do so is going to cause the floor to collapse underneath them.As others have said, a House ending is the objectively best ending for the NCR, because House can slowly absorb the NCR under his economic control by exporting water and electricity. The current NCR desperately needs someone with basic economic understanding and long-term planning skills instead of brahmin barons destroying arable land and draining natural lakes and reservoirs.
>>730509301bethesdoid are dumb more news at 12
>>730509349Gun runners, as well as many of the trading caravan companies, are exactly that though.And to a lesser extent, Followers of the Apocalypse.
>>730509631What are the Gun Runners and trading caravan companies exporting?
who would they export to
>>730509789Guns, food, medicine, the tools of the trade for prospectors, miners, farmers.Basically everything you need to not only survive, but also thrive in the wasteland.
>>730509789IT'S IN THE FOREGROUND THAT DOESN'T COUNT YOU JACKASS
>>730508552Don't take more than you can keep
>>730509789>if you look at his buttIt's almost in the middle of the pic. You mean if you got a boner.
>>730488952Let me rephrase it into terms that I've seen used for an unrelated conflict>Why is nazi criminal Kimball genociding his people by prolonging the war?
>>730510730If you start calling genocide everything that has two or more deaths, the word will lose its meaning
>>730499940why would house want to bankrupt his best customers
We need a new IP because I like the more grounded approach of post-apoc politics built around the Hoover Dam, 1911s, trade, and mormons.
Most of these replies couldn't answer the question>how would you feel if you didn't have breakfast this morningImagine things from his perspective. He thought the NCR was fucked and had no chance against the Legion, but he was still loyal to the NCR and cared about the people there. So he decided to make the NCR's loss swift and less painful, to let a few people die in order to save thousands, and preserve the NCR's strength and organization for the next conflict.
>>730509631>Followers>forward thinkingyou're talking about the culture indirectly responsible for creating the legion.
>>730511187And the Great Khans' drug running operations, can't forget that.
>>730511153It's called treason
>>730511583no. he was still trying to help the NCR.It's called defeatism.
>>730509905The utah tribes I guess. NCR traded with the mormons until recently, and it restarted in Joshua's ending thanks to their presence in Zion.There are settlements up in the northwest too, mysterious stranger's kid is from Montana.
>>730511740Losers never write history.
>>730511759Now that I think about it, can you unsalt the earth to make New Canaan great again?
>>730512039With a shit fuck ton of potable water, nitrogen, phosphorus, and time, yes.
>>730512281>potable waterIn Van Buren New Canaan (Jericho) had a water plant that purified water from the great salt lake, so it shouldn't be an issue if you consider it canon
>>730502151They're all DEAD HAHAHA I'm breaking all your toys because they're better than mine HAHAHA
>>730506315I thought banana yucca was a fictional mutant plant.
>>730512898for me it was white horseneedle and jalapeyos
>>730512490according to canon they needed a geck and a retard to engineer it to spew a lethal dose of radiation on anyone working the equipment.
>>730506315>Play game>Set in AmericaWe're use to itt.annexed leaf
>>730513092it shouldn't do that
>>730511759theres like 50 people in zion
>>730513092I don't see anything like that in the design docs
>>730513295>*looks nervously at the Jefferson Memorial*
>>730488952>Don't mind me just pirating this graymatter>BANGThanks for the sequoia Whistler.
>>730488952The NCR is overstretched and riddled with internal problems holding Vegas and the Dam is costly in lives and resources making the whole thing unsustainable. Literally every NCR character talk about not being able to stop the bandits across the street because of lack of resources. Anything else you need me to spell out?
>>730514221>holding Vegas and the Dam is costly in lives and resources making the whole thing unsustainable.but holding the dam will plug a lot of the holes at home namely all the fresh drinkable water and soil to plant on
>>730514425Plugging some holes while creating others. They won't be able to hold the dam if they constanly lose to some hobo junkies with laser rifles.
>>730514993>how can you east if westseriously??
>>730514993>while creating others.sure but the holes created are way smaller than the ones being plugged > if they constanly lose to some hobo junkies with laser rifles.They're mainly holding even not losing due to being forced to keep the line and not advance and wipe them out for good it's not a loss but it's not a win
The biggest holes the NCRs have are below their waists
>>730489834Expand in way it will not bother moralfags
Hilarious that people are still talking about NV factions to this very day 15 years after the game's release. Meanwhile this is what Bethesda thinks of New Vegas factions:
>>730516230Who cares what Bethesda thinks?
>>730516230Imagine getting outrage baited by a streaming service like lmao just don't watch it rofl
>>730516230I really like Fallout and Lord of the Rings. That's why I don't watch the new shows about them.
>>730489807Redding is a shithole in real life
>>730517328Gotta give their tourism department credit where credit is due, almost every image related to Redding involves the Sundial Bridge and wide nature shots away from the downtown area.
>>730516326>>730516374>>730516584It's just that:1. In 17 years and 3 games and a TV show, no one has ever given a shit about any of Bethesda's factions or settings. 2. People still discuss factions from 1-2, Tactics, and NV. 3. Bethesda thinks the best route is to wholesale slaughter the west coast factions. The surviving ones (Legion and NCR) are so heavily gimped they are mostly irrelvant raider factions with special uniforms now. They can't into world building and seem to not care. Todd wants a loot n' shoot slapstick comedy series, ala Borderlands.
>>730517991How does the TV show retroactively affect 1, 2, BoS, and NV?
Where did the centurions get the power armor pieces from? It implies that they've fought with the BoS but when and where?
>>730518158It's the canon ending to the west coast, and since Bethesda is in charge of the IP, it means that you're never going to see any other resolution to these things. So it makes it kinda silly to be going "oh what happend to Hanlon? Was he right? Could the Legion really hold the Dam?">>730518406Yeah, that's what it is. It's salvaged from their fights with super mutants, combat armors, NCR ranger vets, and power armor. It doesn't say which faction had the power armor though, but Brotherhood are the most likely source.
>>730509349that guy in Sloan talks about concrete workI got the sense they do a lot of what would look like early 18th century labor in the homeland except almost all industry is critically dependent on salvage repairs and recycling because they have no spare energy for stuff like foundries.
>>730518406Mid-West brotherhood from Tactics likely. Caesar mentions capturing some of them “further east” in his dialogue.
>>730518406>that they've fought with the BoS but when and where?They came to retrieve the Legion's advanced technologies. No, I won't elaborate.
>>730518850BoS is stupid enough to actually do that.
>>730518648It would have been cool if they had some stolen Enclave stuff. I love those kind of mysterious conflicts that leave some room for your imagination.
>>730516230Are the Kings all ghouls in the show?? Why or how? does that mean Pacer or the King is still alive?Anything cool happen with that?
>>730519030*on the other hand when some shit owned by a major corporation does that kind of thing they eventually do write the event and it's terrible, like all the Predator garbage
>>730506315It was pretty cool. Surprised that Primm really has the rollercoaster and everything.
>>730490327Shady Sands is on the border of Cali and Nevada
Guys STOP TALKING about these west factions. They are all DEAD, DEFUNCT AND IRRELEVANT. We should turn our attention to discussing actual factions that matter like the minutemen and Institute.
>>730516230I'm really confused by the show desu. They have a weird habit of digging stuff up out of the wiki that only NV players would even get, and then just not using them, or using them as something they're not.>Sinclair is used as the rep for Big MT, which is just a completely different character to what he was>ghouls for Pacer and the King have game accurate costumes just to be used as throwaway fodder in a single sceneLike, why?>>730519105One of the ghouls is just straight up Pacer. He's got the same outfit at least. I'm not even clear on why they're ghouls in the first place.
>>730518987>hear the news about some unstoppable force annexing 4 states already>prepare the whole ass operation to figure out what's up>turns out they're just boys in skirts with sticks>still die to themYeah, sounds like BoS
>>730518158>1, 2,Everything retconned away>NVSome retcons but most time it's just destroy almost everything and what is left is made retarded
>>730518158Just off the top of my head. >the plot of season 1 revolves around the main character's father nuking Shady Sands (which is in LA now with no explanation)>this is in service to his ideology that only corporate managers should run the world>there was a round table Dr. Evil-esque prewar meeting with a bunch of CEOs including Vault-Tec's, Mr. House, West-Tec, Big MT (represented by Ian Sinclair for some unexplained reason also he's fat now) about how if they initiate the nukes and subject vault residents to random inhumane experiments they'll somehow make a bunch of money>ghouls now become ghouls with a specific drug and need to take that drug every day to not go feral >almost the entirety of the NCR vanishes overnight including infrastructure, people, merchants, crops, ranches and cities that aren't Shady Sands, California is now a Bethesda wasteland where people are living out of junkyards and 200 year old buildings >the Brotherhood is now the dominant military force on the west coast with no explanation as to how that happened>cold fusion is now possible and that's better than microfusion because ???>the vault the main character is from is on the surface not obstructed by anything and somehow none of the Master, Enclave or random scavengers found it
>>730519263Minutemen are the most swagless faggot faction ever made. they dont even have 1/8 of the 'rule of cool' any legion or ranger has, pointless addtion to your supposedly cool post apoc bideo gaem so i will never think about or care about them
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>>730519751Sucks, because the ingredients are there>homemade, hand cranked laser cannons>long coats>the fighting spirit of your local community>tricorn hatsThe cranked laser muskets unironically make fantastic skirmisher weapons. Crank that bitch up, wait for an opportunity, and blast the first retard you see through the bushes. Then you GTFO, hopefully running the crank as you go so you can turn around and blast a fist sized hole in the second retard who decided to chase you. Instead they're just a bunch of retards with pipe guns and normal clothes because Bethesda can't even use the ideas that are actually good. Fucking sad.
>>730519751the manual laser rifles are pretty cool
>>730520391Hand-cranked laser weapons is mega-retarded and the Minutemen would work if they were scaring the shit out of the Brotherhood of Steel with their guerilla warfare and long-range sniping tactics.The actual Minutemen did invent guerilla warfare before Victor Charlie and also invented the rifled barrel to put a spin on bullets to snipe redcoat officers more accurately. If the Minutemen in Fallout thought the BoS were just BIG robots then it would explain their hostility towards them.
>>730520587they don't make any sense because they're also hooked up to a microfusion cell. there's no need to crank it.
>>730520587>>730520391maybe they're cool in a realm of reality where automatic and semi-automatic fire wasn't invented
>>730520391>>730519751Bethesda for whatever reason, is really enamoured with Americana nostalgia which is completely absent in previous Fallout games. They love talking about the American Presidents, the revolutionary war, etc.Minutemen fit into that, since they are modernized militiamen from the revolutionary war. I think it bothers me because it's obviously a bunch of guys in costumes that don't make a lick of sense for anyone to wear in the setting. The NCR military and the pre-war US Army leans into Vietnam era and WW2 era, and apparently that's just how it is. I think it is integrated better than what Bethesda does.
>>7305207782 and NV also heavily lean into the cowboy stuff.I think the problem is that the east coast IRL doesn't have the same sort of cool aesthetic to draw upon. 1700s-Early 1800s era garb looks silly by modern standards and would be difficult to integrate into a setting where it has to compete with actual ballistic armor (not to mention outright sci-fi shit). I guess you could go with Civil War type uniforms, but you could argue that wastes the Boston aspect.There's no modern unique East Coast US to draw from.
>>730520778FNV presents the NCR with the good (Colonel Hsu, Chief Hanlon), the bad (Colonel Moore, Sergeant Contreras) and the ugly (what happened to Boone and Corporal Betsy) of what it is in a what that is relatable to even the most basic understanding of what the US Army is actually like. It's a multifaceted organization where leaders are talked about with respect and reverence, like Tandi, respect but dislike, like Kimball, or disrespect and disdain, like Oliver. It's easy to see why some people think the NCR are the "good guys" because the NCR can produce a Tandi or a Hsu, but it can also produce the very characters that make anti-NCR apologists voice their criticisms in a valid, honest way.Bethesda doesn't care about nuance. The Brotherhood are good guys because they have a rank called paladin, and a paladin is a good guy in Bethesda's fantasy RPGs, so that must mean the Brotherhood are post-apocalypse knights and good guys and are trying to save the world from demons (ghouls) and evil wizards (the Enclave). 3D Bethesda games work when they reduce characters, groups, and organizations to their most basic levels with absolutely zero depth.>"but what about Morrowind?"Fucking fluke and there's a reason Oblivion was nothing like it.
>>730520778They wanted to repeat the Legion schtick of 'hey we LARP as some millitary thing from the past for some reason lol' so bad and it just flopped. Fallout 4 is so gay
>>730521492*east coast aesthetic
>>730521648**east coat aesthetics
>>730521492east coast aesthetic is goated but too white codedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQ--rpF7WmQ
>>730521625This, and also they picked the american revolution because it's the most milquetoast inoffensive patriotism option.
>>730519105>>730519358Something bad happened to New Vegas, and we know House's forces have access to nukes, because Detective Dale Cooper was able to nuke Shady Sands. Putting two and two together....
>>730496732>is that a hecking new word>NOOOOO YOU CAN'T DO THAT>/v/eddit... assemble!
>>730521492East Coast aesthetic is basically just variations of the British Redcoat aesthetic, which was pretty cool. As you go further West, it becomes more uniquely American, like the cowboys, bandits, train robbers, and bank thieves. Also in the North, Americans made the warmest coats and that was a style of its own. Even today, most Americans wear clothing made for concealing firearms.
>>730521967Little buddy I think you got the wrong site, the sharty's two blocks down.
>>730519105That's the king getting shot right there so no, nothing cool happened, just todd getting revenge
>>730521872>"You know, Diane, I am beginning to suspect that this Mr. House individual is the kind of person who donates to charity simply for the taxation credit. It is not unlike when Gordon Cole slips a sawbuck into a shoe box with a paper sign that reads "bake sale" to get a small conversation in with a top-heavy mother of three, the children of which were well-fed in their infancies..."
>>730520718it's ok, in Bethesda land, automatic weapons do half the damage of identical guns firing identical bullets on semi-auto, so single shot muskets can still be viable
>>730521624in a way, NV benefits a lot that it had such a massive well to draw from.Obsidian could go back to Fallout 1, 2 and the design docs from Van Buren and take and choose and pick and snipe all the various things to integrate into NV's setting and what could have happened internally to the NCR.We know stuff about NCR presidents who have never been present in a game, like Tibbett. Which is a level of detail we'd never seen in Bethesda's Fallouts.I think Obsidian was also more likely to draw on actual history to help make its characters, like Oliver being Douglas MacArthur and House being Howard Hughes.
>tfw one modder did a hypothetical fall of the Mojave better than Bethesda
>>730521492>There's no modern unique East Coast US to draw from.they should have done greasers and preps
>>730488952Makes sense to me.
>>730521625It's much dumber than that. They just went to a bunch of tourist traps in Boston on research visits and they've all got lots of revolutionary war cheese.
>>730522279Dust is kinda shit it makes a bunch of batshit retarded ideas like having the NCR invade Big MT and the whole Joshua becomes a skinwalker plus courier 6 is a retard and making the NCR into nazi science was also stupid as fuck
>>730522572reminds me of how pokemon made the french and british regions
>>730488952>if you won’t fight you won’t soldiersYou obviously weren’t paying attention to the game at all. Hanlon sees the Mojave campaign as a failure and doesn’t believe the NCR is capable of winning the 2nd Battle of Hoover Dam, and that’s a sound assessment considering the fact they installed an incompetent career general tool like Oliver to take charge instead of Hanlon himself. The Rangers are one of the few competent organizations of the NCR’s military and he doesn’t want to have them fracture from poor reputation or retarded suicide charges just because Oliver can’t get his head out of his ass. He’s withdrawing them because he views the battle as doomed and doesn’t believe the NCR will manage the resources in the Mojave effectively; he literally starts his speech viewing a lake and remarks at how these bodies of water no longer exist in the NCR because they drained it for failed projects.
>>730522173Don't know what your MILF lactation fetish has to do with me, but okay. Based.
>>730521492In regards to New England you have a culture based around Hamiltonian industry, farming, and fishing as well as a series of regional subcultures. There is a lot to draw from in terms of that. Could have had proper fishing villages and whatnot, could have made Salem be taken over by a neo-Puritan cult which is super paranoid about synths.
>>730522895they could have leaned into Lovecraft shit but that would require good writes to do well
>>730522762I think it’s a twin peaks reference.
>>730502726>the faction made up of all the raiders has no problem with raiders
>>730522273>NV benefits a lot that it had such a massive well to draw from.It's actually rare to hear anyone mention it. People get offended at the notion that Obsidian had a lot handed to them. Obsidian took designs, characters, plots, and ideas straight from the scrapped Fallout projects. When they couldn't they just took stuff from real life and barely changed it like Mr. House and Mr. New Vegas. Combined with working with a lot of premade assets, one of the easiest engines to make content with and just copying IRL areas building by building, NV honestly better have fantastic writing and quests. It explains why Obsidian hasn't been able to replicate anything remotely close whenever they have to make their own IPs.
>>730523058I've only seen it once, and not a big fan, so it would sail over my head. I remember Diane, though.
>>730516230I mean I worship power and believe its the only thing that matters. So if someone rich enough buys your thing and kills it then they were morally correct to do so. I use morally because it is something you will respect. I personally do not believe morality exists.
>>730522279I'm accepting the fact that I'm never going to make a FNV mod, so I want to let it out there into the aether:A Fallout mod that's Legion-aligned that has the Courier travel southwest from Fortification Hill along the 93 to where it connects at the I-40 in Kingman. The Daughters of Hecate have caused an uprising in the township, unleashing their Hounds and emasculating all of Caesar's soldiers garrisoned there. Kingman lies between Fortification Hill and Flagstaff, and the I-40 is what connects to the I-15 and, eventually, both Bakersfield and the Boneyard. Hecate--or someone claiming to be her--knows that Caesar needs to prove his potency in the Second Battle, and has chosen this moment to render him impotent, on the eve of his climactic triumph.Within the mod, the player will be able to experience a portion of the Arizona Plateau, be introduced to the Daughters of Hecate and their Hounds--their male warriors given the Survival equivalent of chems like Psycho, imbued with snake venom--learn more about what happened to the Twisted Hairs and, by extension, both Ulysses and Hecate, why the Vipers are no longer a part of Hecate's circle, and also be given a tease of just how much Old World tech Caesar is ignoring by hearing about the Nursery (in Black Canyon National Park) and the Oracle (Biosphere 2 in Oracle, Arizona), as well as being introduced to another faction trying to resist both Caesar and Hecate, the Iron Rivers, a nomadic tribe that rides the immense rail system in the American Southwest using hand carts.The Courier will have to decide whether to reclaim Kingman and find the means of confronting the lead Hound, the "King Man", or kill the woman calling herself Hecate, or succumb to Hecate's "bite" and become a Hound sworn to kill Caesar and the Legion, or--with some difficult exploration, painful decisions, and a bit of sacrifice--put an end to not just the Legion's and Hecate's control of the I-40, but also the NCR...
>>730523313Twin Peaks is another term for huge breasts you dingus.
>>730522279>Fans doing something better than the actual company themselvesPractically a given at this point desu. Especially with Emil Faglarilo and Todd Coward at the helm. They have to put muzzle on the former just to keep him from sprouting good ideas once in a blue moon.
>>730522279>just destroy everything so the entire base game doesn't matterIt's a decent what if scenario but it destroys any value of the original game. The irony is the fans would shit their diapers if all their factions were destroyed. You can't even blow up one town of one faction without NVfags screaming in sheer rage.
>>730497704There's something to be said about a man who unwittingly carries death with him
>>730488952He was sabotaging the expansion efforts in New Vegas so they would give up and for them to back out, the deaths he caused by bad intel were unintentional, he wanted the NCR to stop wasting lives and resources on what he thought was a pointless effort.One where even the NCR did not properly protect the territory and people they already had because corruption and bureaucracy run amok where they always had their sights on expansion, potential resources and conquest of those they saw as less civilized than themselves.They are just another competing faction that is not as different from say The Legion as they think themselves, always wanting more, wanting conquer and control all they come across but unlike the Legion they are more fragmented and scattered in purpose.
>>730523580Kill yourself
>>730523217It also doesnt help that they havent done anything to change their leadership or style of making games, the "do intensive work with these things but also dont test them until its too late" model. All modern Obsidian games feel like they have an extra layer of jank than they should because they cant be bothered to check to fix bugs and whenever things turn on or off until release unless its something really inmediately noticeable like humans attacking ED-E to eat his corpse because he had food items in his inventory, for example.ALSO doesnt help that the dude who wrote the story and a bunch of quests for FNV left to write some sloppy TV shows and that Sawyer became more and more obsessed with huffing his own farts along the years and that Caine is completely out of his depth nowadays.
>>730523808I'll prolong my suffering even longer if it causes you a single iota of grief.
>>730523217>It explains why Obsidian hasn't been able to replicate...there's definitely more to it than that, though
>>730521492In Fallout 76's Atlantic City there's some casinos and gangs that stemmed from the mobsters who were running them. You could argue it's overly close to New Reno, but the actual real life New Jersey has a lot of colorful history and motifs (just to use an example) they could derive stuff from. And it's not like mobsters in cool suits with tommy guns weren't a match for well-armed law enforcement in actual history.
>>730518158I'm just happy that the trash Fallout 2 and New Vegas Trannoidas was completely nuked. Instead, we got canon interracial right in the beginning. That's the new canon of Fallout. Lucy being a cock hungry whore on a quest to find the biggest dick ever. No, Lanius was a smol dicked incel and his skeleton has been freed from his flesh prison.
Considering Canada is annexed in Falloutverse, they should just make the next game take place in it
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>>730521624The Brotherhood are one of the few factions in Fallout who’s genuinely concerned about protecting humanity as a species. Considering the world they find themselves in and how every single antagonist in the series abuses technology for their own nefarious goals, every single game unintentionally proves the Brotherhood’s ideology correct. Technology is dangerous, scientific progress at all costs is dangerous because human beings will inevitably use it for evil. New Vegas tries way too hard to paint the Brotherhood as a nefarious organization simply for having collective concerns and realistic structures of an organization. Yeah, I don’t really give a shit if the Brotherhood doesn’t like faggotry when there are 200 year old brains in the Big Mt. who want to turn the Mojave into an autopsy report. Every faction wants the BoS gone only because the BoS threatens their power, but the fact they feel threatened by the BoS just reveals how twisted their own intentions are.
>>730523695NTA but I think that's one of the few things I appreciate about Ulysses. He doesn't what's up with you exactly but he knows there's a pattern in every instance. If it weren't for his extensive fucking dialogue I'd appreciate him more as a meta commentary on player characters in rpgs. I also don't think he's insane like some people like to resort to calling him. He's trying to figure out what makes you different and has four thousand theories about it. If he weren't so annoying and dick sucked by the writers - notably Avellone - I wouldn't have minded him as the anti-pc character he was built up to be.
>>730524094>omertas but smart and not larpingsold
>>730499940>Those rates will literally bankrupt the NCR by 2079>2079
>>730524223Counterpoint:The Brotherhood is ideologically poisoned because they collect, rather than destroy, the technology they say is dangerous. I'm not saying the Brotherhood should be walking around in pelts and chucking spears, they should absolutely be armed with the strongest armaments to deal with whatever bullshit they come across. However, hoarding technology rather than cooperating with groups like the Followers and being hyper-isolationist to the point where they won't willingly interact with other groups is where concern morphs into paranoia, and paranoia combined with hair trigger on a plasma rifle is dangerous.The Brotherhood is idealistically good, but they're practically far from it. It's not unlike how the Followers are idealistically good, but practically they enable so much bullshit it's a wonder how they haven't all be killed off yet.
>>730524237>If it weren't for his extensive fucking dialogue I'd appreciate him more as a meta commentary on player characters in rpgsI get what they were going for with this. The player does lots of fucked up things and doesn't consider the consequences of their actions much. That's a fine point to make. My main issue is that the center of his outrage is over something I had no choice over, so I find his chastisement rings hollow. All the coin shit is just backstory that I had no agency in, which contradicts the metacommentary. The circumstances of Ulysses and the Courier's relationship needed more work.
>>730524237The thing with Ulysses is that he is some ooga booga that is discovering historical repetition for the first time. He has an idea what is going on but he himself doesn’t really get it and is on the verge of a thermonuclear freakout if you don’t stop him.
>>730524578I agree. Felt like the Courier and Ulysses's relationship and how it was founded was something they could never work out and just needed a foundation so they could get to all the other stuff they wanted to cover.
>>730524556The Follower’s have the complete opposite ideology of the Brotherhood though. The Followers view that technology should be spread as much as possible if it’s helpful, and this led them to unintentionally creating Caesar because it turns out that handing out holotapes documenting the history of ancient militaristic human empires isn’t knowledge that should be given to anyone who wants it. There’s really nothing they can work together for because they are the antithesis of each other.
>>730524872>phalanx formation>with ubiquitous automatic weapons and explosives
>>730488952He got lucky at the first battle and he knows it
>>730526247>joshua's utter failure>luckyLmao
>>730489807>the president gets thrown out of office>Oliver gets thrown off the dam he thought would be his legacy>Hanlon becomes senator and can start fixing the NCR's bullshitI like to think that Colonel Hsu makes general after Oliver dies
>>730525549When muh romans goes too far
>>730526783>Lmao kek XDshut the fuck up
>>730526979Calm down Legionario, there was no way for the Legion to win with that strategy
>>730525549>>730526978"Why do you hate the Brotherhood so much?">Because they're ridiculous! Because they galavant around the Mojave pretending to be Knights of Yore. >Or did, until the NCR showed them that ideological purity and shiny power armor don't count for much when you're outnumbered 15:1.>The world has no use for emotionally unstable techno-fetishists. Just wipe them out, will you?In-universe human-wave tactics work and are reliable and the Legion would win the Second Battle without the Courier's interference.
>>730527192>numerical superiority = human wave
>>730527495It won the North in the Civil War.
>>730527664You don't get it. Just because you have more men doesn't automatically make all your attacks charging machinegun nests with bamboo sticks.
>>730527948It won the North in the Vietnam War.
>>730527192>In-universe human-wave tactics workThere's no reference to human-wave tactics, just massively outnumbering them. If Brotherhood do a fighting retreat, 15 NCR with hunting rifles or service rifles or LMGs are going to decimate the poor fools who stay back to fight.
>>730527137They sent the NCR running to Boulder City, didn't they?
>>730528242https://youtu.be/2bQrTz5AZbk&t=145Observe
The original Brotherhood were military men securing all the dangerous shit they could, and locked it up in their armories since they were soldiers and preferred to keep loaded plasma bomb for that "just in case we need it" scenario instead of disarm & disassemble it.The techno-fetish shit came in later and I can sorta see it. The Brotherhood split apart, it started bringing in tribal retards from the Wasteland who never went through the Vault-type education that FO1's Paladins and Scribes all went through. They stopped understanding Pre-War Tech and began worshiping it instead like primitives are wont to do.
>>730528071that's a gross simplification of the vietnam war and the NVA's tactics
>>730527664That was just part of it, the Union also had better industry and more developed rail infrastructure which allowed for munitions, people, and supplies to be transported to the front more effectively. It’s not just a matter of charging the enemy you also have to have to ability to recoup losses and supply your troops. It wasn’t just about overwhelming the BOS they also had the materials to break through their defenses and ware them down.
>>730528439>one of the largest NCR battles in history is a fight over the 380m of the Hoover Dam concrete arch, resulting in over 100 KIA. No one's heard of mines or mortars in this world?
>>730529323Advanced tech pls understand
>>730529289The "better industry" and "better infrastructure" are lies. Grant and Lincoln sent as many youths as they could to the meat grinder while the Union press continually called the Confederates pussies for hiding innawoods and inventing trench warfare, preying on Lee's pride and forcing him to "fight fair" at Gettysburg which resulted in such a monumental Confederate loss Antietam had to happen and Stuart would, until his death, accuse Lee of "sending his boys to die".The Union were godless and merciless, and Lee was a retard for taking the bait instead of continuing to heed Longstreet's tactics that were winning them the war. Blockades? Invasions? "Lack of shoes"? None of it fucking mattered until Lee "fought fair" and lost in a game of numbers.
>>730529323>No one's heard of mines or mortars in this world?NV heavily avoids the "artillery" word because it honestly destroys the fantasy of having these little battles and skirmishes.
>>730529728Gamebryo engine, pls understandhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fK-msJg6BEw
>>730529289both sides of the civil war had very robust rail systems to aid in logistics.Rail line sabotage during the war was such a regular affair, both sides became incredibly adept at just fixing any destroyed lines.
>>730521967lil blud is crashin out!
>>730529820I really wouldn't say it's a gamebryo thing, but more of a style thing. NV builds off the sort of combat scenarios you'd find in Fo1 and 2 and kind of puts on a façade that these fights and battles are realistic.Every fight only starts at twenty paces, there's no artillery, no mines, nobody uses missile launchers despite them being incredibly common and it's why melee is totally valid (both in lore and in gameplay).It's the random encounters on a grand scale.
>>730524872>>730502726>>730523580True to Caesar.
>>730529269Nationale Volksarmee wasn't involved in the Vietnam war, not even as advisors.
>>730530465>no artilleryNot in the sense of howitzers like what the Legion has, but certain mobs do use ranged explosives. The nightkin with the missile launcher at Black Mountain and that random fucker on the highway between Novac and Boulder City immediately come to mind.>no minesThe entire divide between Forlorn Hope and Nelson is a minefield, the Legion regularly incapacitates but doesn't kill NCR troopers and plants mines under their corpses, you can help the Legion at Cottonwood by informing them how to disarm mines, and the Powder Gangers employ mines.Melee is valid because melee is a valid strategy in real life.>"hurr durr why don't you just charge a dude with a bazooka then huh??"If skills and SPECIALs are an in-game reflection of real-world competency, and if skills and SPECIALs affect weapon damage and accuracy as well as human performance, then I better have a fucking high Endurance, Agility, and Luck in real life and pray that the dude firing his bazooka has low Strength and piss poor explosives skill.
>>730531075>>730530465you somehow managed to forget the entire faction dedicated to explosives; the boomers who greet you with an artillery barrage
>>730531243That wasn't brought up because the Boomers aren't ever a random encounter, dingus.
>>730530838W-what are they going to do with that woman?
>why didn't the people fighting over a one of a kind and irreplaceable landmark use heavy artillery on it
>>730530465>>730529820I wasn't even thinking heavy artilery, just regular old anti-personel mines and mortars.
>>730531631Set her up with a muscular, scarred, retired husband who has been given an acre of farmland to own, which is worked by his slaves while he works within the ministry of the plebs after earning his position through war and is eager to use his spoils to produce strong sons and virtuous daughters, provide a home for a family, use his savings to provide his children with a proper education, and raise the next generation of warriors and breeders that will help bring the light of Sol Invictvs to the world.
>>730531805That's it, I'm joining the Legion today
>>730531805OH GODOH FUCKI'M ROMABOOINGhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7Xpzwve-Ro
>>730531243>>730531075I mean more specifically to the the Legion-NCR conflict and backstory lore.The Boomers have artillery, of course, but that's specifically what makes them special in-universe. We never see the NCR with artillery or Missile Launchers. Even then, at the end of the game, it's not the Boomers' artillery at the dam, it's their resurrected bomber plane.>that random fucker on the highway between Novac and Boulder City immediately come to mind.I have no clue who you're talking about here, but I'm curious.>MinesWhat I mean is that the minefield between Nelson and Forelorn Hope is the only minefield we see as apart of the conflict between the NCR and Legion. Consider what other locations in the the vast expanse of the Mojave that would be and should be flush with anti-personnel mines in a scenario that was actually aiming for total realism rather than allowing itself its video game fantasy.My greater point is that NV avoids some aspects of warfare and weaponry that have been common at least since WWI, if not earlier, for the sake of creating these dramatic vignettes in both gameplay and its own lore.The NCR sending a shell into Fortification Hill would have kneecapped the entire Legion years before the game takes place, but that didn't happen because it'd destroy the plot.
>>730531805oy vey
So are the Legion Romans, Nazis, or American Southerners
>>730489640>Hates seeing "his boys" die>Proceeds to give them incorrect information that could very well lead to them being killedHe's fucking retarded and his existence is just more NCR cuckolding
>>730532447>American Southernerswrong region. The Legion is Arizona, New Mexico and Colorado.
>>730531760>60mm mortars for light infantry squads to harass positions before fleeing>107mm mortars on each side of the river hitting each other's positionsIt could be an interesting objective since you can choose to take out the mortar positions or leave them be.
>>730532447They're tribal pagans who were taught Latin
>>730532447They are /ourguys/. That's all you need to know
>>730516326You clearly
Female Legion Courier>>>Every other option
>>730532447All signs point towards fascists in the actual definition of the ideology, not the social media version. They can't be the stereotype of Nazis because there is no "master race" within the Legion, because everyone Legion member is absorbed from numerous ethnic tribes throughout the Legion's territories. They aren't Southerners (Southerwesterners*) because they aren't playing cowboys and Indians, and they aren't real Romans because, apart from Caesar, there is neither a grand capitol to fight for (Caesar's Flagstaff is, evidently, nothing like New Vegas, which he wants to make his Rome) nor a founding mythos that establishes the divine mandate of the Legion beyond "Caesar is the son of the god of war".If you can do a pull-up, then you'll like them. If you can't do a pull-up, they're le heckin' bad guys.
>>730532797Please masturbate before posting
>>730532797lmao that's the dumbest thing you could possibly do, unless you're hoping to ignite a feminist revolution within the Legion
>>730532217There's little reason why the NCR, or any major faction, couldn't raid military store houses and grab AFV, IFV, field artillery, small tanks, etc. They could make a big deal that their industry is very slow at repairing and restoring them, so they only have a few handfuls of them. They could even make some sci-fi element where Legion and NCR have air defense systems that can intercept these things. If NV and NCR got sequels, I think they could start integrating these things in.
>>730532872>unless you're hoping to ignite a feminist revolution within the Legionunironically imagine doing that and its femnazis in football gear and their FEV mutated catboy husbands
>>730532797Based
>>730532917>There's little reason why the NCR, or any major faction, couldn't raid military store houses and grab AFV, IFV, field artillery, small tanks, etc.they can't because Gamebryo can't simulate vehicles without shitting itself
>>730532797holy BASED
>>730532872What if the Courier is just the world's first misogynistic lesbian?
>>730532872>Woman doing something incredibly stupid for the sole purpose of getting her cooter wetIf anything that's the most realistic roleplay option I've ever heard of
>>730532217For mines: it's entirely possible that they reduce their usage simply because there's so many patrols various factions (mercs, legion, caravaners, wastelanders, ncr) to implement semi-realistic scaled down minefields without having half the npcs constantly walking into them. For vehicles: We are to believe that there are working motorcycles on the road and working supply cars for the NCR. We just don't see them in-game because of engine limitations, dev time limitations, and the game would lag with too much on screen.
>>730533051>meets corporal betsy>decides the ncr must die
>>730533051>world's first misogynistic lesbianthey're at least a few hundred years late for that title, unfortunately. The Queen of England 400 years ago thought women were retarded and shouldn't be allowed to vote, but only had sex with women
>>730533101This guy knows it. Femcels lust over Vulpes and Graham like there's no tomorrow, bet some are into Lanius, too
>>730488952actual retarded storyline>i don't want my soldiers dying>proceeds to give them terrible information, wrong information, wrong orders, no supplies and no communication, resulting in hundreds more deaths than simply finishing the fucking war>is such a bitch that even after you fix and solve everything, he'll commit suicide instead of facing a trial, making morale even WORSE for his supposed soldiers he loves, because one of their CO's literally just committed suicide for no reason other than HE'S A BITCH who isn't even on the field
>>730532872NCR pussies could never compare to the TRVE ROMAN BVLLS
>>730533161The world's first POST APOCALIPTIC misogynistic lesbian!
>>730533182FACT: women love men that will just fucking kill them
>>730533456*Women love men that will fucking kill other women but not they're special and can fix Chad Murderrape
>>730533182i know which nv character women REALLY LOVE
>>730533378did he actually say that?>You look like a fuckable cut of meattier
>>730533898This is the key difference. You won't believe how easy it is to keep a girl around by meeting them, complaining about how much you hate her friends and how you just want to beat the shit out of them, and then they "calm you down" you hug them tight, tight enough where they feel constricted and notice the difference in strength between you two, and whisper, "I'm so glad you're not like your fucking friends," right in her ear, your hot breath and cold words making the hairs on the back of her neck stand up just as much as her nipples do. This is why you should almost NEVER date a woman who has majority/only "guy friends", because unless you can kick all of their asses in a fight at the same time, you'll never be boss hog.
>>730530838As silly as the Legion's Chariot is, I wish it was in vanilla NV although the engine fallout was built on is a old outdated mess >Your at the second Battle for Hoover Dam>You help the NCR/House push the legion back to their side of the river, you think you got the advantage as you brought the enclave, the boomers and whoever else you can convince to aid you>Suddenly from the Legion side of the dam, it that son of a bitch Legate Lanius and instead of waiting on top the hill in the fort so you can do your 100th in a row speech check of telling him to fuck off he decided to join in the fight on the dam and he on his chariot, speeding 370mph across the dam right at you>Whoever gets hit by his chariot gets ragdoll and sent flying, resulting your game to lag and crash
>>730534316He's a misogynist, yes."If you're such a "Terror" of the East, call off your dogs and face me one on one." Alternatively, "Why don't you fight me yourself if you've got the spine for it, shithead.">The West's treatment of bitches such as you is their weakness. But... by my honor, I shall face you alone, as you request. Woman of the West... you will learn your place - in my tent, and again, when you beg for release on the edge of my blade.
>>730532797I did it once, roleplaying as a Mexican female raider that wanted to destroy the NCR and secure her position in the Legion like Agrippina, basically breeding a successor from either Caesar or Laius and then taking control through that.
>>730534316Yes, check the dialogue txt
>>730492480Salt deserve to die but killing him hurt Joshua's soul and along with it the sorrow's innocence.Also Joshua had a 2nd chance, might as well give one to Salt.
Goddamn, I'm feeling like doing another legion run. I've never played a black guy before, maybe now's the time
>>730534471DEATH TO PROFLIGATES
>>730534934>black guy legionFor a good time tag explosives, lockpick, and repair.
>>730534471NV with working vehicles would be an interesting beast.>trains>trucks>planes & vertibirds>chariots>bikes and motorcycles
>>730535084men will look at this gif and just go "hell yeah"
>never got to see legion controlled territory/society outside of military campsbiggest flaw with New Vegas imo
>>730535441they cut it because they realized it would be too based.
>>730535319>explosivesNever done a explosives run, I was thinking of going melee but blowing shit up would be interesting
>>730535579It reminds me of The Man in the High Tower getting massive reworks after S1, or HBO's Rome getting cancelled for Game of Thrones.>>730535668Good luck, really read the supplies you need for Mad Bomber, and get at least 25 in guns because the service rifle/cowboy repeater will be your friends until you git gud with explosives.
>>730535441Would the legion be literate?
>>730535754>The Man in the High Tower getting massive reworks after S1Qrd?
>>730535870Probably. They're all about unifying different groups and hordes, being able to read the same things would help that.
>>730535441That be would be cool, also giant monster mounts would be kino and probably a pain to work with without it lagging the game>>730535441One of the biggest flaws with the legion is that we never got any Legion affiliated companions who could shed some light on the legion point of view, always felt that was one of the legion problems along with lack of Legion locations
>>730536060S1 portrayed a dystopian future where the Axis powers carved up the United States. It showcased an America with 60s suburbs, clean streets, gorgeous architecture, and happy white families enjoying their lives while doing their due diligence to prevent the resurgence of filthy Jewish communists or capitalist insurgents intent on breaking the regime. At the time, people sought validation on social media for liking the show because it was well-acted and directed, but it was "problematic" for how it positively depicted the US under a fascist regime and sent the wrong message about our current country's aesthetics and ideals being dirty or just plain not good enough.So S2 and S3 changed art directions, character growths and motivations, and basically just fucked it all up to the point where even the normalfags recognizes that it was shit compared to S1, but were either too blind or too nervous to admit that the change, portraying 60s Americana as an objectively bad thing, was the problem.
>>730535383vertibirds are cool. I love the bits of them we see in Fallout 2 especially
>>730536518daring
Having just played through the DLC again, I just thought - Hopeville (The Divide) is a test city for the Big MT, same as the Sierra Madre.Hopeville was being monitered by the X-17 meteorological station (which experimented with weather control, explaining the extreme winds of The Divide), so why did Hopeville only go to shit after the package was delivered? Shouldn't it have been absolutely swamped in Big MT glowie shit, even before the world ended?
>>730538346X-17 also caused the Cloud around the Sierra Madre. In both cases the weather controls were being done normally, but when nukes erupted it caused the weather equipment to start throwing dust, ash, sand, debris, and radiation everywhere.
>>730538346>so why did Hopeville only go to shit after the package was delivered?it didn't, The Divide was destroyed by Chinese first strike bunker busters, there was never any post-war settlement. The dialogue that everyone says is Ulysses blaming the Divide on you is actually him telling you what will happen if you play out the story of the DLC
>>730538870was the cloud weather stuff? i thought they said it was a man-made toxin. i know there was a toxins lab in the big empty
>>730496732based
>>730539171
>>730524237I always felt that Ulysses was Avellone trying to copy what he did with Kreia as being a sort of contrarian critic of everything the player does and doesn't do. I found both to be grating, but I know that's not a common sentiment.
>>730539281>>730538870thats because of the toxins plantthat update isnt refering to more weather controls its refering to the dispensers and hinting big mt gave sinclair more than dispensers which they did end up doing to test airborn toxins
>>730539064>"Never would have known the Divide had it not been for you. The road you made with your tracks, again and again. You were the only one willing to make the journey to and from here... a hard road. Kept the land before the Divide alive through seasons, storms......can't have been just a job. Was something more to you. Don't feel for a place that hard unless it's home.">bro if you finish this dlc you'll turn this nuclear hellscape into a town!!are you retarded?
>>730539396I'm fine with people criticizing Ulysses because Avellone has genius ideas and retard follow-through. What boggles my brain is people asspained that Ulysses says you delivered the package to the Divide but never get angry that the Courier can only know what a fish is if their intelligence is high enough when speaking to Cass.
>>730538346I think the divide getting nuked was a part of it.From what I can tell, the weather control was probably normal pre-nuke, but after the Divide was destroyed the weather system malfunctioned and that's what kicked up all the sandstorms.Thinking about it, the weather system would be a good hidden explanation on how the Divide (pre and post-war) was able to even exist considering it sits in or next to fucking Death Valley.
>>730539589>the Courier can only know what a fish is if their intelligence is high enough when speaking to Cass.I've honestly never come across this conversation in gameplay, although I only ever took Cass on a single playthrough for her whiskey perk.
>>730531631Nothin'.
>>730539861"How'd you get started in the caravan business?">Started? Took to it like a fish to water... well, if you know what a fish is. Average or lower intelligence:"What the hell is a fish?">It's this... slimy, scaled thing, like a Lakelurk, except no legs. Well, most times. They're like birds, except they stay underwater.High intelligence:"I'm familiar. Do *you* know what a fish is?">Well... of course I do.>Anyway, I've seen pictures. One guy even had one above his bar in Redding, except it was made of Pre-War plastic. Used to say it could sing, but I figured he was on a Jet rush.
>>730522279Dust has and will always fucking suck extreme amounts of ass no matter how many fans it has. Both in gameplay and in writing
>>730540065gonna go thank avellone for canonizing big mouth bass in fallout
>>730540065Now that's some good dialog, I need to do another playthrough
>>730540065>TAKE ME TO THE RIVER>PUT ME IN THE WATER
>>730539465in all of The Divide there isn't a single scrap of evidence that anyone ever settled there post-war. >Every single log is either pre-war or a traveler/soldier from the NCR going "god damn this place is a fucking shithole, oh shit there's a monster ACK." >Big MT has maps of the Divide as it exists in the modern day despite the Think Tank being trapped in gay baby time jail for 150+ years>the few mentions of the Divide by anyone other than Ulysses imply it's been a nightmare ruin for as long as anyone can rememberUlysses describing the town that you supposedly kept alive is him projecting his feelings for Dry Wells pre-Legion onto you and assuming you feel the same about Baker in the Long 15. Everything he says about the package you delivered is a description of ED-E and what he plans on doing when you bring ED-E to him. Ulysses sees himself as a failed version of you and wants to destroy his failure and your success simultaneously
>>730540495The new Hopeville and Ashton were literally in the eye of the storm of the Divide. Everyone else thought it was just a sandstorm because only the courier had the balls or the ovaries to walk through it to deliver packages. The NCR then followed the route the Courier established to connect to the Divide, and then hired the Courier through the Mojave Express to deliver the package from Navarro because the Divide was covered in Old World symbols and the NCR believed the residents in the Divide could "solve" the mystery of what the package was since it was also covered in Old World signs.The reason most of the messages you read out are from the NCR is because the NCR was there before the explosion. The reason the Big MT has the present day Divide on its maps is because Ulysses went to the Big MT and used their tech to find an active nuke, which would become his temple.
>>730531631Struggle snuggle
>>730493098It's a contrivance for the sake of gameplay you tard
>>730542165And it's really the only time something like that happens which is what makes it so goofy and why it stands out so much
>>730542262>already forgot about ulysses' cache at the end of lonesome road
>>730488952Any which way you choose to deal with him just seems to benefit legion players no matter what.At least telling him to do a flip gets you a sweet revolver relatively early.
>>730535870The legionaries would probably have the minimum when it comes to education so they are capable of understanding orders and similar things but not enough to find and understand "forbidden" texts that can help them develop a critical enough view of the Legion to oppose or start an uprising against Caesar.Regular citizens like farmers, caravan traders, etc would get it, unsure about the women.
>>730489640How would you feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning?
>>730488952IF the courier doesnt pick a side, then Hanlon is correct. Legion wouldve BTFO ncr at the dam, with their faux frontal assault while infiltrating from below for the true assault, and so the morale loss, general mixups and lack of communication would spur the ncr to just pull out of vegas and focus on california if the dam falls
>>730526943Get real, "hang 'em high" Moore is getting that post
only chill NV thread I've seen this year
>>730545123Spammer must be asleep or something
>>730544861
>>730545123shills and tourists are busy fucking other threads so we actually get to discuss the games
>>730545182nah he's over here >>730539508
>>730540495>>Big MT has maps of the Divide as it exists in the modern daybecause Ulysses
>>730488952>low morale soldier sabotages war effort>WHAT DID HE MEAN BY THISFor fuck's sake dude open a book
>>730540065>no one has used a fishing pole since the bombs droppedthere's no way fishes went extinct, that's like 90% of the body types in the ocean
>>730521492Some colonial aesthetics can work, you just have to step away from tricorns and knee breeches and also be willing to step out of the Fallout comfort zone of dirty pre-war clothing and scrap houses. Rrural/work clothes and buildings like log cabins or poor farmers' houses could fit in well as handmade post-war clothing and post-war wooden homes.
>>730489834make is so that there's the NCR state (i.e, california) and then NCR territory
>>730506315I thought it was really cool that you could walk this trail and its the only reason I want to ever visit the southern US.
>>730488952He's stuck in Vegas with fuckall resources to use while the rancher jews in California have all the actual military equipment. The whole sabotage was meant to keep patrols from either entering conflict with Legion or going even further out than the NCR already is, of course the issue is that this makes it easier for the Legion to sneak through patrol routes and do whatever subterfuge they want, like what happens at Ranger Station Charlie or whatever it was that got hit.
>>730549229>southern USThat's the south-west, the "south" in the US is Dixieland.
>>730489932Because most of them are politically-radicalized trannies in a post-trump world, no shut they think California of all states is somehow the savior of mankind.
>>730521492>>730547447What the fuck is the thing Clint Walker is wearing here called? The stuff that cover his pant legs and boots? I think I could pull it off.
>>730549231This post is correct, and while it doesn't excuse Hanlon's behavior, I don't think he realized just how entrenched the Frumentarii were since the Mojave Outpost is shocked that the Legion made it to Nipton, and Searchlight has no knowledge about Cottonwood.
>>7305492293 days walking next to nevada highways will ensure you never want to visit again
>>730549729What could possibly go wrong about walking mostly unprotected in +100F heat next to heat-absorbing asphalt and light-colored dirt causing a high albedo effect?
>>730549642Gaiters? Still used by hikers to this day to protect against water,mud and snow
>>730489834Humanity was not meant to live in such an expansive society.We're an inherently tribal species, that's why we constantly try to divide ourselves into smaller groups when in a larger community.Whether it be by race or ideology or even a simple matter if tastes.
>>730540065https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgUVXiQJ2tY
>>730524207The thing about Fallout Canada is I have no idea what places it's supposed to be set in. Not a lot of interesting places there. Vancouver with British Columbia as a whole could be workable maybe.
>>730549918enough to make you wish for a nuclear winter..
>>730550093Expansive societies can work so long as home base understands that it must, by necessity, function as a meritocratic republic, remain largely hands-off with its outlying territories as long as there is no fomenting resentment from them against the core, and grant conquered settlements equal citizenship within the system.Unfortunately, that's not how most leaders think.
>>730508693Yes, Hanlon kept the lie going and Kimball and the Brahmin Baron fatcats decided it was really important to have all of their actually useful shit in the ass end of California looking for an enemy that never existed. Meanwhile there's a real, tangible enemy coming from Colorado that wants nothing more than to burn the NCR to the ground, and the Republic sends the Burger King Kids Club kids over there to deal with it. It's no wonder 99% of NCR quests are just you fixing all of the problems their retarded suits piled up over the years.
>>730550050Really? I hike 3 to 5 times a week, and I've never seen them. Then again, I'm not American.A good excuse to start using them, though.
>>730550820They help your lower legs and feet dry quickly when you have to walk across shallow waters. Useless in most places, but in places where you have to do that, they're invaluable.
>>730543767hungry
>>730550820America isn't Australia but it's a real shit show here, ecologically speaking. The Continental Divide is a real bastard so you gotta be prepared for basically every kind of weather when being an American outdoorsman.
Nothing that Bethesda did really matters except for the fact that they have the right to disallow others from making fallout games. Once a work exists it exists on its own and does not belong to its creator. And if the creator or anyone else has failed to follow the internal logic and rules set by the original work, then their follow up work is illegitimate. It's not anew canon, it's exactly the opposite, a failure in the simple and straight forward task of following canon and telling a story within it and not despite it. As long as this failure exists there is no reason to take anything in that work seriously, at all. It's a badly written fanfic that Bethesda can profit off solely due to corrupt and evil copyright system.
>>730519636>ghouls now become ghouls with a specific drug and need to take that drug every day to not go feralhow can an IP be this utterly raped, theres no conceivable virtue signalling or capitalism bad reason for this either
>>730524223Do you even read the posts that you make>hurr everyone evil except me >what!! you disagree with me??! you must be evil!!
>>730547126There's a bunch in the lakes in the gameNV is just badly written
>>730501782Sounds like you are describing non canon information.
Thread was fun while it lasted.
>>730547126>>730551754Radiation really fucked up sea and water creatures in the setting. Even dolphins and whales are crazy monsters now, that's why nobody uses boats anymore. The water is full of monsters.
>>730549420Right, south west. But what I really meant is more like the hotter parts of the US. I have enough sun at home and not enough snow>>730549729>>730549918Yeah lol I guess you're right. I'd still like to visit the places themselves tho. It would be mind blowing honestly, fnv is a childhood favorite
>>730488952He was right in the long run. The NCR's best course of action would have been to sabotage the dam, nuke the strip and withdraw to their own borders. The Legion gets nothing for it's troubles, has a brief war with the BoS, and can march on the primary NCR territories westward. 2 things can happen from here with what we know. Either Caesar dies and the legion succumbs to a civil war which the NCR could capitalize on and re-invade the strip if the dam can be salvaged. Or, the Legion invades the NCR proper which would galvanize public opinion and give the NCR military the opportunity to go full gloves off and waste the legion's ability to wage war. As it stood in NV, the NCR was just wasting the lives of good soldiers and heaps of capital in a low intensity grind without the real heavy support needed to get anything done.
>>730551829Why what happened anon
>>730551227Might be useful here. Norway is basically one big mountain, so most towns and cities are along the coast. But even in those areas, nothing is flat. So you're either walking uphill, on uneven terrain or in a fucking marsh, unless the land has been cultivated. That's the thing, though. My country is the size of Germany, but we have a population of 5 million, while Germany has a population of 80 million, so almost everything is nature.
>>730553272That sounds lovely. I miss being able to bike around Finland. It's not the same here in the US because it's just too fuckhuge. It's absurd that I need to DRIVE somewhere to go hiking because the alternative is taking sidewalks through sketchy neighborhoods or 5-way intersections.
>>730535441That's actually pretty good propaganda art. I actually like this.
>>730553401>It's absurd that I need to DRIVE somewhereYeah, that's a good thing about a living here. Hiking opportunities are everywhere, even if you live in a city. It's also an integral part of the culture.I grew up in an upper middle-class family but half of the friends I grew up with or that I know today are working class, petty criminals, semi-alcoholics or former druggies, and even then, if you call them up, half of the time it's to go hiking. It's just what you do.
>doing some wiki diving>have to tiptoe around well poisonings from 3, 4, 76 and the seriesffs the article on house is unreadable
>>730554307something weird the wiki has done recently is split up the gameplay articles for fallout 1 and 2 weapons and items.https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Electronic_lock_pick_(Fallout)https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Electronic_lock_pick_(Fallout_2)
>>730554307This is the problem I've been suffering with for Elder Scrolls since ESO came out. It drives me up the motherfucking wall.
>>730543767But I did eat breakfast
>>730556286Watching uesp's credibility evaporate in real time was like watching a loved one die of cancer.
>>730545123>>730545182>>730545387Those spammers and shitposters don't play games and can't recognize screen from game or topic related to it unless it's often used words or pictures they already know
>>730554307I see it as a good thing desu. It means you will be able to spot wiki warriors easier. If some slop eater or shill tries to argue something they will just end up spewing some bullshit.
>>730554307>>730556286That's every franchise that was made for huwhite men.
>>730557618OH NOFUDGEMUPPET, AN AUSTRALIAN EXPLAINS 40K, AND MATT MCMUSCLES ARE FUCKED NOW
>>730488952NCR not committing to Neveda DESPITE the game saying they are having a WATER and POWER shortage makes no sense whatsoever because the Dam and Solar Plant literally solves both problems.Additionally, the Legion is confirmed to be infiltrating and scouting NCR land. Obsidian REALLY REALLY wanted Neveda to be Vietnam expy for the NCR when it makes no fucking sense because Neveda would very much be in the interest of the survival of the nation.
>>730557835Who?
>>730557920>NCR not committing to Neveda DESPITE the game saying they are having a WATER and POWER shortage makes no sense whatsoever because the Dam and Solar Plant literally solves both problemsBrahmin Barons and Kimball's own retardation are at fault for that >anted Neveda to be Vietnam expyWar on Terror expy.
>>730557929Exactly my point. "Spotting wiki warriors" is significantly less important than the loss of purity on a comprehensive non-fextralife non-fandom wiki.
>>730557920More like a Middle East expy, with House being the greatest ally
>>730491952He pisses me off mainly because Mormons are not peaceful people. They literally are violent and call for violence, in fact their leader Joseph Smith literally tried to invade Missouri because it's the Promise Land and him and all his followers bailed out because MO were going to fight to the death. This is also why they got into constant fights with the US Federal Government and non-Mormons in Utah.
>>730558514A general lack of knowledge confuses Mormons with the Amish, and both with the Mennonites.
>>730558180Then just make your own and then make it so all edits need to be approved by you. I mean is it really that hard to set up an run a wiki?
>>730558183>with House being the greatest allyHouse is just an even more autistic version of Howard Hughes
>>730559515House didn't refuse to do anything but lie in bed with a tissue paper over his genitals because wearing clothes hurt his skin, nor did he walk around wearing tissue boxes on his feet.
>>730556286>>730556670Just skip past the section labelled 'Second Era' in the lore articles.
>>730559660He went even beyond that
>>730559410If it wasn't for the incest and use of German-language, the Amish would be pretty based. It's not all of them, but a decent number of them. But they alright, I'd help them out, but not live with them.
>>730489750>one of the worst movies to have ever been created>one of the worst characters to have ever been created>the single worst sequel to have ever been created>posting memes about it 25 years laterStop doing that. I'm serious, stop it. There is only one Matrix movie.
>>730560232Correct.The Animatrix.
This has been one of the best Fallout thread in a while. Thanks lads.
