>TO DA THUNDAHAWK>shiiiiieeeeetttttAre you excited for Dawn of War 4, /v/?
>>730579087Are Blood Ravens or Dark Angels the main faction in this game?
I don't care about warhammer anymore
>>730579087Black marines are kool
>Are you excited for Dawn of War 4, /v/?Twice as I was for DoW 3.
>>730579087Orcs wear space marine armor now?
>>730579265As far as the promotional material goes, the Blood Ravens. Given some of that same material suggests the Primarch of the Dark Angels is going to make an appearance in the campaign, it might be a bait and switch.
>>730579658There's nothing wrong with the Thieving Magpies meeting their adoptive primarch.
>>730579087Magical niggas
>>730579480slophammer fatigue is real
Wasn't he in every game since 2?
>>730581998also lame
>DoW 1 intro>Haha the space marines are making a charge up a hill and lose dozens just to plant a flag, it's so 40k!>DoW2 intro>wow the space marines are fighting neck and neck with Eldar, cool!>DoW3 intro>He stands in front of a falling knight? A little glory but still cool>DoW4 Ork trailer>Erm... What the fuck? Why are so many space marines dying so much? I read a black library book that she they should kill 1000 Kris each before dying in a heroic last stand and they're supposed to run at the speed of sound! Why are they losing? What happened to space marine fans?
>>730582486They're now tertiaries that exclusively watch secondary loretubers.
>>730579480I never liked warhammer but Dawn of War was good.
>>730582486Better question is why have Space Marines been power crept so much. Each and every modern Space Marine is an army unto themselves and should be able to do alone what chapters have barely been able to accomplish.>Ramirez, protect Holy Terra
>>730582853 Honestly it’s the Primaris bloat mixed with writers trying to one-up each other that did it. Every new book reads like someone’s fanfic where a single marine is chucking tanks and soloing daemon princes. It used to be cool when one marine against a horde felt like a miracle. Now it’s Tuesday.
>>730583796You also got Space Marine to thank for that, and Space Marine predates Primaris by 6 years.
>>730579087I'm interested to see how it turns out. They made a decent "Relic RTS at home" with Iron Harvest, so they seem like a pretty good choice to make the new Dawn of War title. There's very little information to go on right now though and I don't watch cinematic trailers because I'm not braindead.
>>730579087Jonan without Jim Cummings voice feels wrong, now he is just a generic black man
>>730579087Are they forcing black space marines now? It used to be that only the Salamanders were black. Now every chapter is at least 33% black. I remember playing Space Marine 1 and nobody was black.
>>730583796Primarshit was always garbo, and Disney found a way to ruin 40k the same way they did with Star Wars by doing nothing outside threatening to sue GW for the lying bullshit over the SM helmet looking like Darth VaderNow Both Franchises are at its lowest with their shares only "surviving" because of money laundering, in GW's case is starmer using tax money to keep GW alive
>this board is populated by actual low IQ human goldfish who think this will be a good game after DOW 3, COH 3 and Homeworld 3I pity you honestly.
>>730581998>Warhammer was about establishing a white ethnostateWarhammer never focused on Craftworld Biel-Tan
>>730584670>now[Laughs in DoW2]>It used to be that only the Salamanders were blackContrary to the popular (secondary) belief, the Salamanders aren't from the black/African race, they're Caucasians with literal pitch black skin.
>>730582486I memeber when dow 1 came out, fans were going ape shit in the forum over space marines dying so easily to orks in the trailer and explaining in detail have a drednouight wouldn't have been blown up or ambushed.apparently "in real life" a squad of space marines can kill hundreds of orks without issue.
>>730582486People soifaced over DOW1 because they never heard of 40k before. Fans would know that space marines taking lots of casualties in a random battle against some orcs really doesn't make sense and fits the Imperial Guard much more. DoW 2 was much more accurare with its focus on squad tactics but secondaries spawnes from DOW1 shat and pissed themselves that there's no more epic big battles.
>>730584670>tertriary
>>730584946If you ever played the tabletop you know that marines do drop like flies against the appropriate heavy and special weapons and even mass fire of basic guns. They're more durable than any other basic infantry (until Necrons, I guess) but they're far from immortal.
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>>730585138They also don't have very high numbers and are all pretty valuable so they DON'T get sent to be cannon fooder in a random battle, that's for the Guardsmen.
>>730585159Youtube videos
>>730585159Primary: Video GamesSecondary: BooksTertiary: Youtube videosQuaternary: wiki readersQuinary: Tabletop
>>730582486>she they should kill 1000 Kris eachwut
>>730584742Relic aren't the ones making DoW4.
>>730584923>Contrary to the popular (secondary) belief, the Salamanders aren't from the black/African race, they're Caucasians with literal pitch black skin.Contrary to retard belief, the people of Nocturne are stated to have swarthy skin. Said swarthy skin only turns pitch black if they go spess mehreen because something in Nocturne's toxic atmosphere fucks with the Salamander's Melanochrome.Tl;dr Everyone from Nocturne is dark, but become jet black when they become astartes.
>>730579658>it might be a bait and switch.They fucking better not.
>>730582486>What happened to space marine fans?Nothing. They've always been gay.
>>730585645I don't see how that changes anything. In fact letting random niggers make a "sequel" is generally another red flag.
>>730579265I am gonna assume Blood Ravens cause DoW is kind of their series, just like how Space Marines is the Ultramarine fest.
>>730585815>They've always been gay.Yeah, like how GW made that dance book for Space Hulk.
>>730585645The fuck are you on about Relic has been dead for years.
>>730579087
Im installing dow3 right now, what am i in for?
>>730585879Well I should hope you see how the low quality of Relic's recent RTS games isn't relevant when they're not the ones making DoW4.
>>730586237If modern gaming hasn't taught you that being cynical should be the default response to anything "nostalgic" I don't know what to tell you.
>>730579087BLACKED MARINES?? Eldar are fucked.
>the white space marine has a faggot san francisco haircutLMAO
>>730584946Really there's an ongoing gw internal double view of generic marine powerlevelsFluff marines usually machinegun down orks with a small minority of marines who kept their helmets on dying because that makes a better story for marinekiddies and its meant to be believable that 1000 marines are a significant forceGame marines are just a decent bit stronger than an ork because otherwise competitive play would be like 3 marine models on one side 40 ork models on the other then the orks get ap weapons and oneshot the whole marine army with lucky rolls
>>730582486>>wow the space marines are fighting neck and neck with Eldar, cool!Honestly them nerfing the Eldar for that is still kinda funny. Good trailer though.
>>730586837>Game marines are just a decent bit stronger than an orkBoyz actually hit just as hard as Marines do at Strength 4.The main difference is that Boyz are actually tougher than Marines at Toughness 5, but have one less Wound and far worse armor with a 5+ Save.So generaly speaking if you put a regular Marine against a regular Boy, the fight is somewhat even but slightly favoring the Boy if he can close into melee, which at T5 he has a good chance at doing so.
>>730586548There's a difference between being cynical and being stupid. I'm not "hyped" for DoW4, but I'm interested to see how it turns out and I thought the developer's last RTS game was decent, mostly held back by an uninteresting setting. I also genuinely would like a good RTS to play. If it turns out to be shit, then it turns out to be shit, but I'm not desperately looking for reasons to write it off as being shit.
>>730584685I don't know where this disney legal action meme came from because GW at no point actually stopped using the darth vader helmets, they just took them off one subset of the models
What will be the homeworld 3 moment in DoW4?
Used to think Tau were really popular but apparently they are the most hated faction? why?
>>730587391The Lion showing up to have the Dark Angels take all the spotlight from the Blood Ravens in the last mission.Even CA wasn't stupid enough to shill a Primarch in Total War 40k, DoW4 having to pull out Lion is just pitiful.
boring slop they should start moving away from humans and focus on orkshow many years of the same shit 25 30?
>>730587293when fucking EP7 was being developed, yidsney went full cease and desist on everything similar to star wars, one known victim of this was Wing Commander, EA literally had to stop the development of the Academy + WC1 remake and retool into Star Wars Squadrons because EA was prohibited of ever using the IP under contract for being "too similar to Star Wars"
>>730587439>but apparently they are the most hated factionI dunno. Eldar exist.
>>730579087Is that Jonah Orion? Somehow he looks younger than in previous games.
Yes thats himHe already had the beard in 3
>>730587293Disney never contacted HW about legal action, but their lawyers are infamously powerful and GW made two changes that seemed to be covering their asses; removing the Vader grille from Marines (later relaxed), and changing Malekith to Malerion (as Marvel, oddly enough, has a Dark Elf king named Malekith).It's all theoretical though.
>>730587439In tabletop because of shit like invisible carrier cheese. In DoW 1 because of shit like Vespids, Tau Commander being an obnoxious jetpacking cunt, Stealth Suit jetpacks and stupid long range on most of their guns.
>>730587714The helmet change was probably more to separate Primaris from manlets
>>730587439>For loreLikely Eldar, Tau are contenders though>On tabletopThat's absolutely Eldar. Tau are just kinda annoying sometimes.
>>730587764You're partially correct. If was almost assuredly done in order to make Marines seem less villainous looking, as GW really wants their big heroic Marine image to push more sales.
>>730587628Yes it is. He was a fine addition in DOW2(the best DOW). I'm hoping they bring back Tarkus and Avitus as well. The composer who did For The Craftworld is also back for DOW4. My only concern is the lack of Eldar, but Admech might be okay.
>>730587825Nah they still had shit like this from day 1
they are going to have custodes due to their enormous popularity spikes isn't it?
>>730587825>to push more sales.Which is stupid when the whole appeal for the IP is the 2000AD grimdark "everyone is shades of evil"-setting.
>>730587892>I'm hoping they bring back Avitus as well.Pretty sure Avitus was the canonical traitor in Chaos Rising because he did not come back for the expansion.
>>730587990>>730588004The most important thing to remember is that Games Workshop is legitimately fucking retarded and is only successful in spite of themselves.
>>730579087No, putting a fucking primarch in it made me lose all interest.
>>730587892Avitus is the canon traitorThaddy and Hairgel went to the eye of terror to crusade with other chapters and we never heard of them ever again since Neutral Ending is Canon
Why do people hate primarch and primaris?
>>730586548>>730585879Can't take anything you say seriously when you just randomly drop a hard R for zero reason. Do better, dude.
>>730588075>>730588198There's no canonical traitor but he is the most likely one based on the conversations.
>>730588247>Why do people hate primarchShits gay because it removes the mystique they had when they show show up constantly instead of being figures of the distant past.>primaris?They exist solely to replace manlets and be a term that can be copyrighted.
>>730588284Where do you think you are?
>>730588075>>730588198Oh damn, I always thought it was Martellus. I'll have to go back and replay Retribution.
Something is seriously wrong with this, and it's not just the skin color. Why does he look like a baby with a beard or a literal child's toy?
>>730579924DELETE THIS, BITCH
>>730588247>PrimarisRetarded change to SMs with flimsy lore tacked on just to sell new models.>PrimarchsWhat was once cool and epic heroes from the past are suddenly front and center and taking all the attention away from the "your dudes" apsects of the game and even books, and now games.
>>730588447space marine figures are literally toys for children
>>730579087Mubda dubba bix nud we de space marines now. Can't have games without Afrikans these days
>>730588447I think either his arms are too short or his head is too big. That or his headress is making his head look bigger. SOMETHING about his proportions are off and it makes him look stupid while he walks.
what the FUCK is wrong with the noise marinescreepy ass bastards
>>730588004>Which is stupid when the whole appeal for the IP is the 2000AD grimdark "everyone is shades of evil"-setting.LOLLMAO even.What a retard
>>730588535I'm sorry you dont like our music. Hmm lets see if it goes up to 11.
>>730588437>Oh damn, I always thought it was Martellus.Martellus is playable in Retribution so it can't be him either. That also means the Chaos Rising ending can't be the Best ending either.
>>730588535Have you seen their primarch? The 'performance' when noise marines are first introduced is a solid read.
>>730588592>Nooo achkhually the appeal of Warhammer is the top notch rulesets, not the grimdark pictures in codex books.You have to be 18 to post here.
>>730588535They've listened to too many Alternative albums to a point Igorrr sounds too normal for them.
>>730588596>brings a bluetooth speaker to a beach
your opinion on the dark eldars?
>>730587572>Eldar existDo they though?
>>730588705>not the grimdark pictures in codex booksThey hated him, because he told the truth.
>>730586837>and its meant to be believable that 1000 marines are a significant forceI think the big problem here is that Space Marines are treated as being their own autonomous nation's military when in reality they're meant to be the elite special forces of a nation that has like 5 separate army lists representing it. In larger conflicts, Space Marines are deployed in support of the Imperial Guard, who are actually the Imperium's main fighting force, but the games treat the Guard and the Space Marines as the main fighting force of two separate nations. Realistically SM should be the elite troop option for a (mostly) unified Imperial faction rather than their own army list. Having them be their own separate army is like having Kasrkin be their own separate army.
>>730585649Point is that they don't have African features, bad reading comprehension Anon.
>>730588004You have to remember that marinebabies legitimately believe that they're good guys.
>>730588810>aving them be their own separate army is like having Kasrkin be their own separate army.Your proposal is acceptable.
>>730579087A down game without eldars on release finnally
>>730588878>believe that they're good guysThey are.
>>730588854Niggers for Blood Ravens makes sense though, since one of their recruiting planets in DoW 2 was a jungle planet.
>>730588247Gorillaman hates primaris and nu40k more than this bread baking imageboard combined.he wanted to go back to old 2nd to 4th ed 40k only to cawl backstab him.Plus Primaris is literally the very meaning of sanitizing a IP for normalfags, faggots and fujos and shune its old fanbase, which is literally what sunrise and bandai is doing with gundam with japan begin to hate it.>>730588334The Neutral ending + Avitus betrayal is CANON and google AI is too retarded, you need less than 15 points to reach that ending, more than that is the execution and full is the heretic endingOnly Thule's whereabouts are missing, since Retribution itself is amalgam of all factions minus tyranids as canon>Bluddflagg got the Space Hulk as his new flagship, stole adrastia's hat and left her alive to humiliate her and the inquisition, probably raiding sectors and getting even stronger boyz from the ever respawning nids and chaos at the ship.>Chaos is Semi Canon since Eliphas is alive>Castor and Merrick are now safeguarding Aurelia.>Chapter Master Gabe and Chief Librarian Jonah being canon, as Master Chaplain Diomedes>>730588878SM are the good guys the same way House Davion is for battletech because everyone else are assholes
>>730588976>Niggers for Blood Ravens makes sense thoughYeah because they can't stop stealing.>since one of their recruiting planets in DoW 2 was a jungle planetAnd yet only the librarian is a negro.
>>730588705This is still the Imperial Guard for me, I don't care what the HR says.
>>730586895The ranger shooting the shoulderpad of a spesh muhreen still annoys me to this day
>>730579087I think that's Jonah Hill the Libertarian. He's been in it since the first DoW. But yeah, even back then it was a woke decision to include him. I remember reacting negatively to random negroes appearing in the game, despite DoW being my introduction to 40k.
all that Space Marine wanking only for them to lose to a bunch of jobless weirdos with steel pipes (Gene stealers)
>>730579924Aieeeeeeeeee
>>730582486Are you fucking retarded? 40k cutscenes have always been criticized for making Space Marines way too weak.That's one of the reasons Astartes is so highly regarded, aside from the production quality. It shows them closer to how they actually are, rather than the cannon fodder they're usually portrayed as.
liking space marines = outing yourself as newfag secondary
what new faction would you like next? There's probably going to be one before 2030 because money
>>730589431>That's one of the reasons Astartes is so highly regarded, aside from the production quality. It shows them closer to how they actually are, rather than the cannon fodder they're usually portrayed as.That's borderline funny since in Astartes all they're doing is fighting ragtag cultists, who are literal chaff units. The fact Amazon tried to do the same thing just makes the Secret Level episode even more lame, because no shit a Lieutenant leading a Bladeguard Squad is going to carve up 20 cultists when that's equal points on tabletop and Cultists exist to be a expendable meat shields.If you put an Ork Boy or a ln Eldar Guardian against a normal Marine, the Marine has a good chance of getting whacked.Marines are only super strong in comparison to regular Humans, and the reason for it is just so the Imperium can KEEP UP with xenos.
>>730588247New bad, old good.Also, a lot of the age 30+ crowd got in to 40k via 4th edition tabletop army books, not playing the game or building models, so they have a nostalgia boner for the style of that specific period.
>>730581998Wasn't the Emperor Anatolian?
>>730590046He was from the region that would become Anatoli, but predated the people.Also, all the newfags ITT bitching about NIGGER MARINE never played any of the other DoW games, or anything 40k at all.Peak tourist behavior, to be expected.
>>730588705>>Nooo achkhually the appeal of Warhammer is the top notch rulesets,Care to tell me where I said it?>, not the grimdark pictures in codex books.Certainly no since little Timmy and Mr. Land and Money whale wants Titus and his friends riding Invader ATV to save the day, not Black Templars or Space Wolves or Blood Angels.
>>730590185>TitusIt's beyond sad to me that Titus by himself got more units this edition than Dark Eldar got as a whole faction.New Titus is also such blatantly disgusting powercreep that only morons can't see it.God I fucking hate Titus.
>>730589925>Marines are only super strong in comparison to regular Humans, and the reason for it is just so the Imperium can KEEP UP with xenos.You're underestimating the Imperium and overestimating the marines. There are what, some hundreds of thousands of marines in the whole Galaxy? Meanwhile the IoM is huge and rivaled only by the Orks, which spend most of their time and resources fighting their natural enemy, the Orks. The rest of the faction have really small numbers, except the 'nids but they evolved to be the ultimate jobbers.
>>730579924AIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>730590046Yes, but from an age that predates even the Greeks, so he should be some sort of Hittite or even something older.
>>730590303>Titus by himself got more units this edition than Dark Eldar got as a whole faction.You love to see it.
>>730590315>Orks, which spend most of their time and resources fighting their natural enemy, the Orks.I love these dumb retards so much.
>>730589925>The secret level Because these aren't just hive ganger cultists, they're cultists that live on an exerminatus waste-world and survive only due to the whims of the gaunt summoner that protects the silver tower on the planet.
>>730590612>Because these aren't just hive ganger cultists, they're cultists that live on an exerminatus waste-worldBuddy, hive gangers are FAR more threatening than the dudes in Secret Level.
>>730588535Emperor's Children post fall are perfect and I will not be convinced otherwise>>730588247At it's core, GW went "How do we get Space Marine players to buy an entire new army" and it fucking worked. The lore originally being "Yeah all of the first batch actually were put on ice DURING the heresy and one guy on an off week created a group that are actually stronger, faster, bigger, don't have the flaws of the original marines, AND have better weapons, vehicles, and armor compared to the Emperor had an entire team working on" doesn't help
>>730585815>I will die in Armageddon. Just finished watching the movie adaptation. Kino
>>730590451Titus got more units this edition than>Necrons>Ad Mech>Grey Knights>Dark Eldar>Eldar (technically, likely to change next week)>Orks>Thousand Sons>Death GuardAt the very least.
There was a time where primarchs was just fluff lore that was more legend and myth. However as time went on, and more Horus Heresy material got made, it became more (to lack a precise phrase) "comic book-ey" with tier lists and power levels for each primarch, who beats what, and all that nonsense that some people do not care for. Unfortunately this comic-book characterization for 40k is a lot easier to digest for nomies and even GW caught on that it was a great way to sell minis.
>>730582853>Brother Ramirez, protect Burger Cathedral!
>>730588247>primarchGW puts a lot of focus on them>primarisangry paypigs mad about spending more money on figurines that they were already going to buy because they're addicts
>>730582853They have been that since 2e in the lore, anon.
>>730579087Not at all, it will be inferior even to DoW 3.
>>730587714>Disney never did legal action>but GW changed their design for the legal action that never happened
>>730579924Thoth was a cool cat nigger, i'll give him a pass.
>>730579924
>>730592614It's better to anticipate and proactively prevent legal challenges rather than have to deal with them at great cost laterEspecially when it's fucking Yidsney who literally wrote most modern copyright law to benefit only itself
>>730579087More than I am for total warhammer 40k at least because it's not on fucking consolesI never played iron harvest but I am given to understand the mechs felt more like tanks, so now they are making a game with both mechs and tanks I hope they feel like they play distinctly>>730579658I'm so fucking sick of primarchs
>>730579924SHUT IT DOWN
How do games that literally no one ever bought keep getting sequels? Nobody played DOW 3.
>>730590172>>730590417Wasn't the Emperor first awake his psychic power after his uncle killed his dad and it implied that his dad was Abel and his uncle was Cain, the same murder that gave birth to Abaddon's sword?
>>730593438No, not even close.
>>730579830Somehow his shield will be in their possession
>>730579087Black individuals aren't the issue, it's the stereotypical turboniggers who are made to speak in ebonics to signal to (((investors))) and their debtcattle.
>>730590172the video sucked, deal with it
>>730593396People did buy DoW 1 and 2 though, and both were successful enough to get several expansions.
>>73059339640k is a profitable retard magnet so they keep churning 40k video games.
>>730579087Will Eliphas The Inheretor return to kill his "brothers"?
>>730582853Because lore wasn't as set in stone back then.Back in 1st edition space marines were literally just some criminals picked up and just thugs in service of the emperor. They weren't even super soldiers yet. This is why Starcraft is SPECIFICALLY a clone of 1st edition 40k.Even how much the space marines are capable of, how many of their numbers there are, etc. was all not that much set in stone until way later. Are they just normal elite or are they SUPER soldiers?Essentially what the Kasrekin of the Imperial Guard are now would have been the role of the Space Marines in the past.For Eldar at least their Aspect Warriors are lore wise on par with Space Marines, even slightly better. If there was an Aspect Warrior game it would play like Warframe. Eldar just have the problem of being low in numbers so their losses are difficult to recover and the fact that GW likes to glaze humanity so much so in marketing material they get destroyed by the Space Marines when in lore the Eldar are typically the superior force in 1:1 fights (only that every loss carries much more weight so humanity eventually drowns them in numbers).Orks are similar. Regular Orks a Space Marine will wipe away, but once they encounter a Big 'Un, an Ork that is actually a veteran of many battles and has grown to quite the corresponding size, they will have met their equal.Remember that all the big Xenos factions in 40k are the factions that humanity DIDN'T just manage to wipe out in an afternoon and can actually put up a fight and because of that they all have their own elite force that can go toe to toe with Space Marines.
>>730579087Oh cool, Salamanders are in.
>>730585138The way I see it in tabletop, every model would actually be multiple entities "IRL". So you are really just more moving a formation around. A single model of guardsmen? 5,000 guys IRL! A single model of Astartes? Now that is actually just 3 dudes now.
>>730579087>wokehammeryeah miss me with that shit
>>730595657>I never played tabletop and have a weird headcanon of thingsOK.
>>730579924IT DOESN'T COUNTDELETE THIS
>>730595770>woke2010 called
>>730595657Epic scale might be more your thing but, due to some lore reasons, formations of space marines were actually quite small and they are not as capable in 40k as they were in 30k with the exception of not being instantly bodied by warp entities.
>>730595657That's some seriously retarded head canon logic to justify space marine wank, and becomes even more retarded when you consider that 40k TT battles can include small buildings and fortifications.
>>730585487>Quinary: TabletopThis is our franchise, faggot, accept your place as a tertiary and shut up
>>730596367>Seething quinaryEveryone knows WH would be a walking corpse at this point without fundamentally unlikeable youtube shills like arch or valrak, ironically people who would be walking corpses themselves if they didn't lamprey themselves onto GW and pretend to be important.
>>730595657Tabletop is meant to represent crucial turning points in wider battles.
>>730597337Tabletop is meant to be an excuse to sell plastic.
>>730597446Tabletop is the game, everything else its secondary, just like (you).
>>730595836>i'm a huge homofaggot nigger that loves smegma cocks in my mouthwe know, anon
>primaris>nucrons>sniggers>woman charactersthis is the unholy trinity of modern 40k how much of it will be in dow4? primaris and nucrons are already confirmed.
>>730598097Someone's mad. Too close to home, Anon?
>>730598149>>sniggersThe what now? I'm a bit lost with the newest and gayest 40K lore.
>>730595657sir this is warhammer not heroes 3
>>730579087I unironically am.I hope it's actually like DoW1 than 2 (or G_d forgid, the third one).
Skin color based racism in warhamer is cringeThe Imperium is about human supremacyYour skin color means fuck all
>>730598708"beast snagga boys" or sniggers as I like to call them are a large expansion to the ork army they added a few years ago. instead of being based retards with machineguns like other orks they are low tech dudes who like to ride squigs. this wouldn't really be a big deal, but it was a huge addition that no one really asked for while other parts of the lineup are like 20 years old, and also because gw made the rules so that they're basically the only effective anti-tank the faction has so you are forced to use them if you want to be competent no matter if you like their lore or not.
>>730579087I played Iron Harvest so noIt was flawed from the core design, and obviously so at a very first glanceIt's going to be less than mediocre to play for real
chaos sided sisters whenthe potential is there (and it be quick money for GW)
>>730585487it's qunari, retard, pull a bharv right now
>>730588247primarchs are plot sponges, no one else gets attention when they're involvedprimaris are just bigger batman
>>730599885I played Iron Harvest and I thought it was okay. Imo its biggest problems are uninteresting setting and characters, but mechanically it's basically CoH+DoW2.
>>730599874>they're basically the only effective anti-tank the factionthis cant be realdont orks have deff guns and rokkits?
>>730579087it will be shit. I wish it is not but it will be a massive disappointment
>>730579087It's fun to see them keep making the games more and more woke.
>>730579924That's Inquisitor Negro, not Librarian Jonah.
>>730579087A black guy? In DoW?? Truly the first time that's ever happened.
>>730599967That doesn't sound very space marines
>>730599967give the sisters a fucking break, man
>>730600640>make chinaman marine>give him blonde hair and blue eyes
>>730579265It starts with the Blood Ravens, then the Dark Angels show up partway thru the Space Marine campaign and the player has the choice to play as the Blood Ravens or Dark Angels in different missions
>>730579480Opposite for me, it’s my current obsession. Then again I’m relatively new to the whole thing.
>>730601465It's a muttoid from the future, it makes more sense than "above average 30yo post wall white woman" and "Detroit citizen".
>>730601536what do you think about primaris, 40knewfag?
>>730579087>orcs have a bri'ish accentbit on the nose innit
>>730601672>gettin rid of the angry face helmetthey are turning space marines into power rangers. enshitification is real.
>>730582486>DoW 1 intro>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>730600640True, you can literally see the virus fester in almost real time.
>>730579924Culture war bros...it's so over...they brought receipts that expose us as secondary's. We can never recover from this.
>>730588247No one on this board actually knows why they hate the primaris or the primarchs they just know they're supposed to because another anon told them to.
>>730579924The Imperium has fallenTrillions must perish
>>730589017Chaos ending also had Eliphas kill Davian Thule, which is canon. Bozo lost the dark crusade, but got the last laugh.
>>730604718The helmet designs look like shit
>>730600583lootas aren't really good against heavy armor and tankbustas were one of the extremely old kits with shit rules. they just put out an update of it last year so maybe there are more options now, but it was definitely planned to force people to rebuy as much shit as possible.
>>730604781And now Eliphas is literally Starscream because GW learned of Blum voicing that fucker since then, and Araghast also voicing megatron in WFC/FOCIn the end he is the only Starscream that killed a Megatron successfully
>>730604781When was it confirmed that Chaos ending is canon?
>>730588854You got any citation of their white boi features in any story at all?The way their backstory is they're basically space niggers that get double niggerd if they go space marine.
Captain Cyrus is a disaster>Strike Cruiser gets destroyed by random asteroid Ork ship>loses dozens of Space Marines>puts the life of the Chief Librarian in grave danger>lose tons of equipment and livesCaptain Vanilla Ice wouldn't fail hard like this
I can't even get excited about it after the shit show dow 3 was.
>>730608123Indeed.
>>730579087I'd rather play the first game again. But I remember it being pretty dull apart from the voice lines
>>730579087Jonah was in the series since Chaos Rising and before him was Inquisitor Thot.Both come from when 40K was still cool.
>>730588247Primarchs should've remained those mythical figures of the past along with the Great Crusade and Horus Heresy also be shrouded in myths.Sadly, came the Horus Heresy series and the Primarchs were all suffering from daddy issues one way or another and made Emps a moron at times.Primaris because they reek of corporate greed and how to sanitize the damn faction.They have none of the charm, character or the versatility of the OG Space Marines. They all behave like tankier Aspect Warriors and their lore is retarded.
>>730579087nahdow1 was better
>>730607979what about CAPTAIN DIOMEDES (You have him)
>>730610451Penitent crusade like Titus for the crimes of being too faithful in his grorious reader. Blud Ravens have been in the bad books for a while now.
>>730610451let me post it brother.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNK5-uE5JFg
>>730610451BRUVA I AM PINNED HERE
>>730610627Diomedes is the current Blud Rehvans' Master of SanctityChapter Master = Gaben AngelosChief Librarian = Jonah OrionMaster of Sanctity = former captain DiomedesMaster of the Forge = ???Fleet admiral = ???>1st companyVeteran Ancient TarkusMartellus is 2nd in command after the MotF>2nd/3rd company???>4th companyCaptain Aramus (Hairgel)Veteran Sergeant ThaddeusVenerable Dreadnought Davian Thule>5th/6th company???>7th companyCaptain Atanaxis (not part of Dawn of War but was the first Blud Rehvan to be contacted by the Custodian fleets giving away Primaris genesneed)>8th/9th company???>10th companyCaptain Cyrus
>>730610731>BROTHA I AM HIT>BROTHA I WILL TAKE ITThat's the stuff
>>730589431If you played the tabletop you'd know that space marines will die from a slight breeze since they're at T 4
>>730611047>Captain Aramus (Hairgel)I thought this dude was a confirmed renegade?
>>730611151Their canon ending is the neutral one where they were sent to a penitent crusade but the Dawn of War omnibus and White Dwarf magazine brought them back and got promoted.They're also fragmented because Gaben Angelos gave the order to defend all sectors instead of banding together.
>>730588923I need sauce real bad.
Also the canon winners of Dawn of War OG = Space MarinesWA = EldarDC = Space MarinesSS = Orkz2 = Space MarinesCR = Neutral endingRetribution = Space Marines3 = Orkz
>>730588535>>730590792Emperor's Children is the best chaos faction as an aesthetic. Too bad they are never going to appear in a mainstream Game
>>730611453how the fuck are the orks winning so much
>>730611047>Venerable Dreadnought Davian Thuledidn't Davian Cool die in DoW2
>>730611453>Imperialsois still buttblasted that Gorgutz Da 'eadunta canonically won the fightKope and seef humies https://youtu.be/whxcq4I0kAo>>730611682Because Green = Best
>>730611673THIS QUIET OFFENDS SLAANESHTHINGS SHALL GET LOUD NOW
>>730579658In the developer interview they said that the dangles show up later into the campaign and the Lion is only playable in one mission
>>730579087>rap music starts playing
>>730587515I mean, if they're smart he'll be a one-man army for a single mission.
>>730612127WE ARE AMPLIFIED
>>730611673>Emperor's Children is the best chaos faction as an aestheticlaughing1ksons.pngliterally the only thing tzeentch is good for, mind you, but they have the OBJECTIVELY coolest looking models in the setting
>>730612245I think you'll get to use him like a special ultra powerful unit in the appropriate moment in the campaign.Like when you get the phalanx in battlefleet gothic 3
>>730611673Slaanesh will NEVER be a mainstream villain
>>730612279>pop culture egypt >...in space!It's really that easy.
>>730612268SCREAM TO BE HEARD>https://youtu.be/HsGRsDe3iRw
>>730612279>what are thousands up to in 40k?>magick'd sortiarius into real space as their new homeworld>building their own psyker empire that's apparently not half-bad if you're a psyker, sucks if you're a human sacrificeI swear thousand sons are still the most redeemable ones if an effort was made, but magnus is the problem
>>730612669it literally is
Dawn of War 1 is on sale right now. Should I pick it up? Been playing WC3 campaign pirated version since it has better performance than the official shit remake
DoW3 was alright, actually. Not great, sure, but it's serviceable.
>>730612279Slaanesh and Tzeentch have the best (potential) aesthetics amongst the chaos gods, but they're both horribly underutilized, especially in 40k.>>730612530I don't see why not. EC is basically the only notable Slaanesh representation in 40k, and they've been extremely sanitized at this point. The only uniquely Slaaneshi thing the EC have going for them is noise marines. Outside of that, they fight good and do drugs - which is pretty standard for both renegade and chaos marines in general.Chaining chaos to Space Marine legions in 40k was a fucking blight. Consistently the worst representation of chaos out of any Warhammer IP.
>>730612881Do it faget
>>730611673Yeah they look cool as fuck. Too bad GW are trying to tone down Slaanesh and are removing the sexual stuff. I love the old Forgeworld Keeper of Secrets
>>730579924>People can't tell the difference between an Inquisitor and space marineCulture war stuff is dumb as hell and you manage to be dumber
>>730613039>Chaining chaos to Space Marine legions in 40k was a fucking blightTHIS. At least give every chaos armies cultists and daemons.
>>730611673no they are the poster child for fake and gay flanderized slaanesh. instead of being aesthetic rape chads like sigvald from fantasy they're all alien looking faggots with permanent soifaces and lobster claws.
>>730613214rape isn't really a big thing for space marines because, you know, they're space marines.
>>730613214In one of the first 40k novels the Emperor's Children rape a bunch of bitches with their prehensile tentacle dicks.
>>730613391yeah the faction literally got neutered to make it more pg-13. now they're just hellraiser memes.
>>730613214Ditching the crabhands wouldn't be a big loss but removing the speaker faces is just plain heresy. If anything they should dial it harder into the realms of unrelenting sonic warfare. Speakers embedded under the skin like tribal beads, mouths of chattel slaves ratcheted open to contain subwoofers and their bodies serving as containers for biological amplifiers. Just go full audioerotic like you crawled into the mind of a man that spends the GDP of entire first world nations on a regular basis. To upgrade his cable risers and gold lined audio snakes for that perfect tone.
>>730613494>now they're just hellraiser memes.Even that would be fine with me because at least it's something. They're so ill defined now that all GW can say is that they're all about "perfection" or whatever that is
AVE DOMINUS NOX MOTHAFUCKASI'M COMING FOR YOUR BITCH ASS
>>730613494everything on 40k is being neutered so it can please the normies.I've been lurking a little and it seems that marines, the "emperors angels" were disfigured soldiers of a thousand battles full of scars. so they weren't a pretty sight. warhammer used to be "grimer" for what I understand.Now it's power rangers.
no dark eldar gf to turn good again... (ignore that she might do experiments for giggles)
>>730613792legion of bitchniggasSevatar was the only good one
Why did they get rid of this awesome ass helmet for some American football helmet striped head shit?
>>730582486>intro >intro>intro>trailer for not-main factionanon? what are you even trying to say?
>>730613843They kicked Vulkan's ass
>>730589431You are aware that we are talking about the game where you cam play as the guardsman and can take on the space marines and defeat them in a 1:10 casualty ratio because they can't handle a couple of grenade launchers, right?
>>730613792
>>730613925enshitification.if they are the good guys they can't go looking angry, that displeases the normie and their normie money. see>>730613793
>>730614192It's 40k, nigger. Everything is supposed to be edgy.
>>730613792>glorified genociders>calling anyone else a bitchassWhy don't you try fighting someone that can actually shoot back for once. Even the World Eaters will engage firing lines in melee just to prove a point.
>>730613051>Sexuality watered down.>Beauty ignored>Exactly one fat bastard>Mirrors and mirror motifs aren't abundant>Drugs are shockingly underrepresented>Middling body horror at bestI'd happily go back to shitty metal monopose models if it meant getting some flavour back. If you want anything decent, you basically just have to make it yourself at this point.>>730613793It's easier to think of modern 40k in terms similar to a Marvel movie. What's worse is that GW has shifted 40k from a setting into a narrative - and anything not in the immediate spotlight of said narrative gets banished to the timeout void. This has had the effect of reducing a literal galaxy down to what feels like a handful of locations populated by the same dozen characters/groups.
>>730613810actually, not a good idea, you can't turn someone good if they refuse to change, they would just play a little then experiment on you to turn you into a monstrous. beingnot cool, stick to regular eldar women, they are much nicer
>>730613671no the soifaces are emblematic of the cancer that's killing slaanesh: the "they turned themselves into freaks because they were seeking more pleasure" idea but somehow it's always just hellraiser. we know what people who become addicted to trying to improve their appearance look like from real life. it's those celebs who bog themselves out with the ozempic + botox + fat removal shit. combine that with the shit people do with their characters in games like corruption of champions and you get a clear picture of exactly what runaway degeneracy would look like, but that's never what we get.
>>730614546Regular Eldar will refuse to fuck humans. Your best bet is to just not be a filthy xenoloving nigger and stick to your own kind.
>>730614630Shut the fuck up nigger. The "soifaces" have been present in the legion since before you were even born.
>>730612530i remember reading a rumor that they were going to squat slaanesh with the ynnari storyline but it never materialized due to its poor reception. otherwise yeah, modern slaanesh is just a more sleek version of khorne.
>>730614630>trooncasing queer cries and offers no alternative outside of schizopostingLike pottery
>>730614639human in the tau empire lives much better lives and are even given better gears as soldiers, rage all you want
>>730614829>Tauanother coomfag army like the Eldar
Nurgle
>>730588247Marvelisation of the setting. Forced obsolescence of your TT minis.
>>730614267>It's 40k, nigger. Everything is supposed to be edgy.
>>730615603Well that's obviously a joke. You might be autistic.
>>730615603NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO delete this! Rogue Trader doesn't count because... it doesn't!!
>>730579087Look you polfaggots can whine about blacks in high fantasy settings and shit all you want, but whining about blacks in 40k is retarded. They literally have entire planets of giants and rat-people and shit, of course blacks exist.
>>730615709Niggers won't exist 40,000 years into the future because they will be wiped out in the Great Race War of 2027 which was started by me.
>>730615789>mexicans will wipe americans and afro-americans in your lifetimeFinally good news.
>>730615939I'm a white Australian man not a dirty spic.
On one side, Primaris are these bigger and stronger and better marines that invalidate the existence of proper marines.On the other side, they are still dropping like flies and the setting is in a status quo again with uuoooh the enemies of mankind are many and strong.So why was it a good idea to introduce them?
>>730615674>This business was clearly blowing of thousands of pounds sterling publishing and distributing this rulebook to businesses everywhere for a joke.
>>730616068Yes, Anon, space marines are actually fags who dance like this aboard their ships. I was wrong you're not autistic you're just a fucking retard
>>730616154>aboard their ships>he doesn't knowOh. You could have just said you're a tourist.
>>730579924WE BE INQUISITORS N SHIET
>>730616020Based Abo wanting to burn all the white criminals like your ancestors burned all the forests.
>>730616218I mean that's clearly on a ship. You're not beating those retard allegations.
>>730616218That image doesn't look like they're on a space hulk.
>>730616323Anon, that's on a space hulk. Where they dance around while killing the shit out of enemies to show just how much better they are than everyone else. That's what the rulebook is about.Shit dude, Space Marines eat literal shit for fun. They drink what's basically poison just to get a buzz going. That you think dancing for entertainment is somehow beneath them is laughable.
>>730616154>>730616323NTA but the answer its on the pic, stop making a fool of yourself.
>>730616460A space hulk is basically just explorable space debris. An abandoned asteroid base, a derelict space station, or the wreckage of a battle barge are all space hulks. They just serve as a backdrop for the game.
>>730614639It's not 40k but IIRC WHFB elves will fuck humans
>>730582486You're full of shit I remember a dude on forums back in 2008 trying to convince me that a Spessmuhreen can withstand being in the center of a nuclear blast.
>>730616935guy is probably referring to how some loyalist forces managed to survive istvan getting exterminatused.
>>730614094>>730589431Powerscaling in 40k is fucking retarded because it highly depends on the author that's writing that particular piece of fluff.
>>730616267You will show Toth the respect he is due, or he will shove his inquisitorial boot so far up your ass you'll be tasting leather.
>>730617023The traitors did use nukes on Istvaan on the salamanders but only Vulkan survived because of perpetual haxx. Maybe they got it mixed up.
>>730617269An SM could survive, provided they remembered to bring their helmet with them and all their armor Seals were functioning properly. Oh and if they weren't in the middle of the blast, Space marines are pretty strong, but they can't survive being vaporized.
>>730614714>it's been gay looking for a long time that means gay looking is good>>730614827>say exactly what it should look like>"offers no alternative"what did xir mean by this?
>>730617180>because it highly depends on the author that's writing that particular piece of fluffI mean, that's all fiction. One moment you have Hulk as "the strongest one there is" tanking tank shells blowing up in his face and the next you have him getting so startled by Batman kicking him in the gut that it makes him inhale enough knockout gas to put an elephant to sleep.
>>730617409>An SM could surviveIf they were on the edge of the lethal radius then maybe, and they would still be fucked up.There was one Ultramarines commander in the Ferris novel who got himself and his chapter nuked and he was burned to shit and radiation poisoned he could barely stand
>>730617440Which is why I said it's stupid to powerscale.
>>730617659I know. I'm just saying it's retarded as a whole, not endemic to 40k.
>>730617587That's what I said. Their armor is designed to operate in space, so either it has some level of rad shielding, or ceramic itself is rad resistant/proof. The overdressed wave is a maybe, provided they aren't too close to the epicenter they could end up buried under rubble but still alive enough to be dreadnoughted if someone can manage to get them out before they starve. But ground zero? Nah man, that's a miniature sun going off in their face, in damage terms a plasma gun but a million times more powerful, and plasma guns are notorious marine killers.
>>730588247Everyone else already covered the common reasons. For me, one of the reasons is just my autism: I hate that they basically split (for model scaling reasons) the armories of the two Space Marines, to make them basically different factions.If "Primaris" was just a new updated set of armor and updated weapons for basic Space Marines, and the size difference between old/new minis was just explained as them going to "true scale", I'd be fine with it.But it makes no fucking sense to me, in the world of 40k, for them to just ditch all the old Predators, Bolters, etc. (LITERALLY hard incompatibility with Primaris), that nearly an entire galaxy of manufactorums have been cranking out for thousands of fucking years straight, just so Primaris looks all new and flashy like a new toy line (which is literally what it is). It just pisses on the lore, IMO.
>>730618442The primaris' big sausage fingers couldn't fit in the teeny tiny trigger holes of the old bolters.
>>730618674Like I'm saying, they could've just called the "Botl Rifles" bolters, given them the same rules, and said it's because of the shift to true scale. The size difference didn't need to be reflected in the lore.
>>730615674>It's 40k, everything is supposed to be edgy>Well that's obviously not edgy. You might be autistic.What did this retard mean by this?
>>730579924>we can't make fun of blacks in 40K... because the one dawn of war game no-one played had one
>>730618743I'm saying they abandoned the old guns because modifying the existing guns to allow the primaris to use them would have admechs all over the galaxy having aneurysms at the heresy. That's why the cawl pattern bolter exists even though it's just "bolter but big enough for primaris to pull the trigger".
>>730618442>But it makes no fucking sense to me, in the world of 40k, for them to just ditch all the old Predators, Bolters, etc. (LITERALLY hard incompatibility with Primaris)They walked all that back, even primaris height is now a couple inches bigger than a firstborn, not a foot. Predators/drop pods/rhinos/land raiders are all still in use, you see a lot more Mk6/Mk7 helmets on primaris units and old style bolters are just called "carbines" now and are still used by some units. Relic weapons and artificer armor are still better than whatever Cawl makes, so you still see those. Titus is even holding one in his new model.They also got rid of the primaris tag in the rules, and made normal marines 2 wounds minimum too. So units like terminators, sternguard veterans, techmarines/chaplains/librarians/etc can be canonically either firstborn or primaris.This isn't meant to refute anything you said, just to say they've been moving things in the direction you're talking about for a few years now.
>>730618442>If "Primaris" was just a new updated set of armor and updated weapons for basic Space Marines,I wouldn't have minded if cawl just fixed the geneseed degradation and made a new armour mark.>just ditch all the old Predators, Bolters, etc. (LITERALLY hard incompatibility with Primaris), that nearly an entire galaxy of manufactorums have been cranking out for thousands of fucking years straight, just so Primaris looks all new and flashy like a new toy line (which is literally what it is). It just pisses on the lore, IMO.I think they've been easing off on Primaris exclusive equipment in some respects, and meshing them more with the old style(which they should have fucking done from the start)
>>730619030There is literally no in-universe reason why primaris can't use regular SM guns(except the meta reason where GW won't let them)
>>730579087Anybody else liked Chairon? I don't mind supporting, bald, black guy characters like Coach or that one dude from Binary Domain.
>>730619168It helps that they got rid of the restrictions on what units can go in what transports*So primaris units can go in land raiders and drop pods fine, and firstborn units can go in repulsors and impulsors.*The only exception for some fucking reason are rhinos, which are still firstborn only.
>>730619237The reason is their fat hands can't fit their fat fingers through the hole where the trigger is.
>>730619023>because the one dawn of war game no-one played had oneI didn't mean to fall for the bait but it's just too fucking good
>>730619296Not really. Primaris'd characters like Dante and Azrael still use their old weapons from before
>>730619267It's okay, now you get different bald black guy space marine Metaurus.
>>730582486>DoW1: everyone loved it, the perfect 40K video>DoW2: anti-soul>DoW3: anti-soul but no budget>DoW4: anti-soul but indian animators with no budgetWhat happened to media? There was no fucking weight in anything and the lip sync was awful like they were just using helper algorithms to autogenerate mouth movements. Oh the warboss was yelling? I couldn't tell when his mouth barely opened like a hinged metal jaw with no lips or muscles.
>>730619237They actually do still use bolters (now called bolt carbines) on lighter units like scouts.Other units like incursors clearly use old bolters, they just add optics and foregrips to them.
>>730619267He was cool but kinda boring, I liked Gadriel better.
>>730618442>If "Primaris" was just a new updated set of armor and updated weapons for basic Space Marines, and the size difference between old/new minis was just explained as them going to "true scale", I'd be fine with it.Indeed.
>>730612279Sorry dude, Necrons stole your Egyptian theme
>>730619440>There was no fucking weight in anything and the lip sync was awful like they were just using helper algorithms to autogenerate mouth movements.My theory is that they are deliberately animating it like this because it's supposed to look like the DoW1 intro animation.
>>730619368All you're doing is pointing out exceptions rather than the rule though. And even then that could be handwaved as crossing the rubicon doesn't fatfinger them unlike going from human to primaris.
>>730616020>I'm a white Australian man not a dirty spic.t. https://youtu.be/7Pm9ba4RN-Q
were custodes popular before or is it only due to cavill?
>>730619721The Primaris aren't so large compared to a regular SM that their fucking finger couldn't fit through the trigger guard. It just makes no sense, and was not mentioned anywhere in any case.
>>7306194402 definitely wasn't anti-soul. Call it what you want, but lacking soul isn't it
>>730619721Primaris on average (even at launch) weren't bigger than the biggest marines, like Tyberos.Big for sure, but their hands didn't suddenly get too big to use old weapons. It's not like they stopped using bolt pistols.
>>730619650Funny thing is they did just that with some of the Grey knight named characters like Voldus and Crowe.
>>730619804They were popular because they were a cool new faction a d also strong on the tabletop
>>730619715https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pF5eVltokAc>no weight>dead>nothing is exciting>poor sound syncing>a giant asteroid spaceship hitting another spaceship and then boosting into a planet is boringhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFkFo5SBx-g>IMPACT>GRAPHICAL EFFECTS>WEIGHT>100% synced>raising a flag is AMAZINGI'm sorry you hated art and think slop is on its level.
>>730619030You're not listening to me: I am saying that the entire fact that there is a difference in size, in universe, between Primaris and Firstborne is entirely arbitary and unnecessary. If they would've just called Primaris a new set of armor, and explained the size difference between the minis/different sized weapons as a "true scale" concession, instead of making them literally different in the lore, I would've been okay with it.You don't have to agree with me but I don't know why you're not understanding this.
>>730619858That's because IIRC the grey knights already have enhancements that make them somewhat superior to a regular marine.And besides, their creation is so ridiculously selective and gruelling that I doubt that they would trust Cawl to make changes to it
>>730619804They were always neat, and when they were 30k only they were really cool looking with some mystique to them because of how much FW resin you needed for a functioning army.Once they got their plastic releases for 40k and subsequently had their rules dumbed down for modern 40k standards, they turned into "Marines but lower model count." instead of playing an army of few, but near-HQ power level models.
>>730619904I didn't say it looked as good as the original, only that they were trying to emulate it. Stop seething.
>>730619145I wasn't aware, to be honest I've been out of 40k for quite awhile now. Glad to see they're at least walking some of the more ridiculous parts back a bit.
>>730619858They did that with all firstborn models that got new kits after primaris.Chaos marine models are barely any shorter than primaris, have 2 wounds base and get the same amount of attacks now. Most of what makes primaris unique in game in modern 40k is their equipment and the transhuman physiology stratagem that represents their new implants.
>>730579924That is an inquisitor, not a space marine.Are you niggers fucking retarded?
>>730619980>And besides, their creation is so ridiculously selective and gruelling that I doubt that they would trust Cawl to make changes to itIt's also very likely that Malcador just never trusted anyone else with the Grey Knights so Cawl couldn't just requisition GK related genetic material like he was able to with the 20 legions.
>>730619928This. Just say Guiliman tasked cawl with creating more regular SM in secret for a rainy day.I mean. They already kinda did that but yeah saying they are outright better and stronger is fucking stupid.
>>730620038I don't see how you think they're trying to emulate it. It's an insult to good taste to imply there's any crossover.It's just jerking off 'member characters to sell slop.
>>730620150OP is still retarded since the character in his pic has existed since DoW2
>>730620162>This. Just say Guiliman tasked cawl with creating more regular SM in secret for a rainy day.That opens a different can of drama given that Guilliman was the one who wrote the codex and broke the legions.
>>730620178I just think that the weirdly stiff movement and fighting feel similar.>LE SLOP SLOP SLOP SLOPNo need to get your panties in a twist dude
>>730619980Now if only they'd update the rest of the line. The manletrines look goofy as fuck next to Voldus and Crowe and their anatomically correct models.
>>730620271guiliman was always kind of a hypocrite
>>730620162That pretty much IS what Guilliman did, he just had some of the lost, original material used to create the primarchs too which he handed over to him. Primarily to make the new gene seed more stable (which it is)Cawl just got bored and made a fuckton of new equipment for them over 10,000 years too, the two new implants were implied to have been intended for marines from the start but wasn't able to be implemented before the Great Crusade needed them.>>730620159Guilliman was almost certainly completely unaware of the Grey Knights, he definitely was prior to the end of the Heresy.
>>730579087Nigger marines should be specific chapters only
>>730579480Primaris was the start of it getting really bad, Female custodes was the final nail.I liked the Rogue Trader game just because I'm an RPG fag but beyond that I've not much interest. Even the dark heresy game doesn't look as interesting.
>>730620476Not really, many SM chapters recruit from multiple planets
>>730620271The point wasn't that the Imperium needed less marines, the point was that the power structure of the legions allowed one bad actor to turn tens-to-hundreds of thousands of marines against the Imperium at once.We can see what Guilliman intended because of what happens when the new marines finally came out of stasis: He distributed new marines to all chapters pretty equally, divided up by which primarch's gene seed the chapter and marines had.
>>730620454I think that anon is saying it should've just been "Guilliman/Cawl's secret space marines", instead of "Guilliman/Cawl's secret super-improved-recipe space marines".
>>730620476Impossible. Nigger cretins want anything whites have because they live off their shadow. You make a all white faction, and little faggot Dayquarius wants seethes about it and demands he gets included. White man creates universe and little Milique BEGS and screeches to white man to be added into his creations and work and representation.Couldn't be me, a brown not nigger.
>>730620476It's funny to me the salamanders basically were but now they're any race just completely black skin. They put out some animation with a salamander space marine and he's just an asian guy with ebony black skin.
>>730620673I get that, but the one responsible for all the new stuff was Cawl. Guilliman wasn't around for all of that, he just got the ball rolling.We know that because when he IS reawakened, Cawl shows Guilliman the new marines and he's surprised at their new equipment and implants.The plan wasn't to let them sit around for 10,000 years, either. Cawl just never got the go ahead, and Guilliman wasn't around to order it. It's dumb but it's a very 40k sort of dumb.
>>730620476Of all the steroided up super athletes/soldiers in the world, most of them are brown.A disposable brainwashed genetically edited super soldier kidnapped as a baby and forced to fight until a horrifying death at the hands of some cosmic horror is something a brown makes sense for.
>>730588284Are you a fucking retard?Quit being a whiny nigger
>>730620960No, because they do it for the Imperium and honor. Niggers don't understand those concepts. Only self serving ones.
>>730620773It's the other way around. Salamanders were always pitch black because of their home planet Nocturne, but one GW painter didn't get the memo and painted them up in a codex as subsaharan Africans when he heard "black".Vulkan isn't African either, all the primarchs canonically have very similar features to the Emperor himself.Now the Celestial Lions chapter was an actual culturally/ethnically African chapter.
>>730620476Didn't they make some chapter that's meant to be african inspired (like how the white scars are just Mongols)?
>>730620773>salamanders basically wereNigger, what the fuck are you talking about? They were always non-nigger and were charcoal skinned because of the lore of the planet. Cope nigglet.
>>730621117I thought they were all black because they were effectively made by a black guy.
>>730620773>It's funny to me the salamanders basically were but now they're any race just completely black skinYou have that the wrong way around, bud.
>>730621072Some of the nicer chapters might, but the vast majority of marines are recruited (read: kidnapped) from barbaric murder cultures or mad max gangers, and hypno-indoctrinated into being loyal and unquestioning warrior monks.The average marine is a sardukaar, not a paladin.
Who is the biggest, gayest chapter?
>>730621247It's because all marines can change the pigment of their skin in response to radiation exposure, it's one of their implants.Nocturne is so constantly bathed in radiation that the marines made there are permanently pitch black (with completely red eyes), which happened to Vulkan too.That's not a retcon, it's how it's always been.
there was black people in that game for decades, it's moronic to be angry about that...
>>730621247>Created by a black guy
>>730620817It doesn't really matter who's responsible for them, we're talking about the meta reason why they are as they are
>>730621432White people aren't even the majority on planet Earth, it's weird to be surprised that other races exist 40,000 years in the future on a million different planets.
>>730620391There's a difference between being "kind of" and a full blown one.As it was at the beginning of this nonsense the primaris shit manages to squeak by with the same "oh so clever reading between the lines" shit as scouts and sisters of battle. Just as how the limitation was for full fledged "astartes" which allowed every chapter to have well above 1000 scouts, these new soldiers are "primaris" and not "astartes" so tasking Cawl to ready up a fuckton of them wasn't breaking any rules that Guilliman established.>>730620661Yes but my point is if they were just regular ass astartes, that'd be wrongfully seen as Guilliman coalescing power, which everyone else would rightly raise an eyebrow to because they'd be all "didn't you write a book explicitly against this"It also rubs against the pride of the various chapters in the same way as the Primaris reinforcements have, but doesn't offer the same "we give you more numbers and are also moar better" that would make the more prideful chapters begrudgingly accept the help Roboute offers.Primaris takes everyone aback because no one'd be expecting "spes mehreen but bigger".
>>730621072>honor>laughs in Iron Hands
>>730621384The Minotaurs because they suck High Lords of Terra cock for a living.
>>730621384Wolves
>>730621483Well, the meta reason is that the original idea of marines (Tacticals, assaults, devastators and some elite melee units) never worked as intended and basic bolter marines have been useless dead weight from 2nd edition onwards.So they threw them out and replaced them with guns that actually did something on units that didn't die to a single lasgun shot and a bad armor save roll.In terms of rules, primaris make complete sense because they actually PLAYED the way people wanted marines to play. They were tougher and stronger in ways that being T4 1W 3+ with a rapid fire 1 S4 AP5 bolter never accomplish.
>>73062152940K is a universe where the whites survive, because only white people can get us to the advanced civilization that humanity has reached, like the age of Terra and the age of Technology.With the way civilization is breaking down now because of how brown the world is, we won't ever reach that level of speculation.
>>730621534At least in the books Guiliman goes to great lengths to show he doesn't want to build legions and disbands the large Primaris formations as quickly as possible.he's still a hypocrite and subconsciously despises everyone for being a weak failure and wants to take everything over
>>730621724>In terms of rules, primaris make complete sense because they actually PLAYED the way people wanted marines to play.Well they literally could have just changed the rules then.
>>730621747White people made the internet which is what melted your brain, and is currently destroying society as we know it.Browns in the middle of nowhere are doing exactly what they've always been doing.
>>730621471m-Maybe he identifies himself as African!
The inquisition don't want you to know this, but blacks are much more likely to turn to chaos.
>>730621824They did, except now devastators and assault marines aren't one singular unit but a couple different ones with different armor/gear.
>>730621529There are no niggers in 40K because the Imperium is entirely ZERO TOLERANCE POLICY who would rather cave-in the skull of the overtly annoying faggot (in fact they are encouraged to do so) instead of putting up with the shit of an inherently antagonistic and violent people who are prone to chimping out. The Imperium of Man is at a point where it's all about self-preservation from the neverending xeno problem at literally every forefront who wouldn't bend the knee to accommodate undesireables at the behest of self-destruction.Plain and simple, they're just incompatible.
>>730621842>Browns in the middle of nowhere are doing exactly what they've always been doing.Starving or eating each other?
>>730622026The Imperium is a hellscape nightmare to live in because it's mostly brown.
>>730622026> inherently antagonistic and violent people who are prone to chimping outYou mean the prime Space marine recruiting population?
>>730622093Yeah.They're not the reason you're unhappy, and they're not the ones running everything specifically to make your life worse. That's the whites and their cousins the Jews.
>>730622026>inherently antagonistic and violent people who are prone to chimping out.To be fair that's the vast majority of humanity in 40k regardless of race. They're either retards or raging retards.
>>730622026The Emperor himself is Anatolian and the Imperial government came from the Himalayas when it conquered Terra during re-unification.Unless you're a Persian-Supremacist, even the Imperium during the Great Crusade wouldn't have been Agartha.
>>730622105The imperium would destroy the browns if they had a brown problem; they would quell the issue to keep the empire going. It's plain and simple.The imperium is the way it is now because they have an EXTERNAL threat and one that corupts, one outside of the control of the people/chaos corruption.
>>730622361The Imperium is the way it is because it has an INTERNAL problem, namely chaos and its corruption.The Imperium is as totalitarian as it is because it only takes a few bad apples to start convincing people that soul eating daemons are a better alternative than 19 hour work days and a 28 year average life span.I don't get the point of trying to say the Imperium is some bastion of white pride because it fucking sucks to live in due to hell being a real place and you can't trust anyone not to give into them.
>>730622357Persians come from the same branch of the Proto-Indo-European tribe that whites come from, and that conquered the land mass that is the Middle East when they tamed the horse. Persians are Aryans.
>>730622542It's the same people who got hyped at the edit of Trump as the Emperor of Mankind.
>>730622607If you're okay with that, then you're okay with most of the 40k population being brown because most direct aryan descendents look like Turks and Indians.
>>730622542He just thinks the Imperium is racist when it isn't. The hatred the Imperium holds on to is towards species and religious beliefs. They couldn't care less if you're black, white, or brown, so long as you're not a black, white, or brown alien nor are you a black, white, or brown dude that hates the idea of worshipping the Emperor of mankind.
>>730622361A solid 60%+ of the imperium's problems are solely self inflicted
>>730622607That also only happened 10,000 years ago.The Imperium is 40,000 years in the future and has the human race spread across an unfathomably diverse array of environments on one million planets. There should be new ethnicities on every single planet that aren't really correlated with anything we have on Earth now.
>>730619267Chairon was my nigga, but Gadriel was HIM.>"Space book says this is bad, but fuck it we ball''I need a button that lets me high-five him.
>>730622704I don't see the bad apples of the Aryan descendants forwarding humanity; they are all backwards, follow backward transgressive beliefs, or eating cowshit. Only the white variant has forward humanity and brought in the space age; therefore, they are the ones who would most definitely forward humanity into the civilization that it becomes in 40K where they span the galaxy.
>>730622752I wouldn't even say the Imperium CAN'T be racist. Cadians realistically would be their own ethnic population now, as would any of the other ancient inhabited planets like Mars, etc.They can be racist against each other just fine, they'd look as different from each other as races on Earth do now, if not more so.But trying to fit 40k into the weird world of American neo-nazi lore just doesn't make any sense from a logistical perspective, let alone anything else.
To be fair with this >>730622884 retarded tertiary I could see the Anglos turning the future into something like 40K. Just change the Emperor for the Jews and it checks.
>>730622884The whites who pushed the world towards advancement were Anglo-Saxons, Normans and Celts. Aryans barely made it to Germania, and even then Hitler called specifically excluded the former three from counting.It's just not a very consistent worldview.
>White people gave the 40k universe the Age of Strife and Abominable Intelligence, which would have ended the world if the Emperor didn't finally decide to seize his destinyhuh.
>>730622884Northern Europe didn't move the needle on history until well into the renaissance. The Mediterraneans are certainly NOT Aryans, and until the fall of the Byzantines they were the cultural and economic center of the world outside of China.
>>730622884>they are the ones who would most definitely forward humanity into the civilization that it becomes in 40K where they span the galaxy.Humanity by 40k are the traumatized, abused and mutated remnants of the remnants of the remnants of a once great civilisation
Reminder that Humanity only reached their 'golden age' because the Eldar let them as a courtesy.Humanity has never been the actual dominant power in the setting, and even now it's essentially speedrunning the collapse of Eldar empire in less than 1% of the time.
>>730623532>and even now it's essentially speedrunning the collapse of Eldar empire in less than 1% of the time.That's it? The T'au have been speedrunning everything even faster than humans did.
>>730623132>Age of Strife and Abominable IntelligenceTo be fair, humanity/white man tested their luck with the absolute monstrosity that was STCs and creating supreme intelligences with the mind and might of white men's intelligence. White people, too smart for their own good and pushing boundaries to forward the future of humanity at their own unfortunate result that lead to AI rebellion, just pushing forward to greater heights. It's like the mistake of treating browns as anything less than human or taking pity on them, thinking they can be civilized, and then seeing your polite societies devolve into states of disrepair and savagery.
>>730579087>they immediately turn back and get slaughtered by ork shootasPosthuman super soldiers each indoctrinated in their youth to be masters of warfare by the way.
>>730623958>STC>absolute monstrosityAnon, just what the fuck do you think an STC is?
>>730595886>IT DOESN'T COUNTIt doesn't because that's an inquisitor,not a space marine, you fucking mongolid.
>>730614630are you a teenager?
>>730624250Still counts because Jonah Orion is still there
>>730624062Power level comparisons are always funny between factions.An Eldar baker can shoot just as well as a Space Marine and move even faster than one even after having not even though of combat in the past 100 years, meanwhile a cream of the crop Guardsman submitted to the tithe after rigorous training for 10+ years shoots about as well as a literal alien bug that was born an hour ago.
>>730623958All that I'm hearing is that it's white people's fault
>>730624407No, nigger.
>>730624549Yes, faggot.
>>730623532The Eldar just didn't care because they were too busy birthing a new chaos god by being such degens
>>730623958>white people are dumber than jeetsNot helping your case.
>>730624487What i mean is that they turn back and flee like a militia of conscrpted civilians that was assembled an hour prior instead of warriors with decades or centuries of experience that would know you don't just start running. Would have been more credibe if someone shouted "go brothers, we'll cover your retreat!"
>>730624608No, niggerfaggot.
>>730625143Yes, faggotnigger
>>730625285No, gay nigger from outer space.
>>730579087>Are you excited for Dawn of War 4, /v/?Yes
>>730622959People who try to impose that sort of stuff don't actually give a fuck about the setting
>>730579924after seeing this post, i am renouncing my racist ways. FUCK. RACISM.
>>730622959I think this sort of thing comes from a misunderstanding of scale. So many Regiments and Chapters are just written off as "[Country/monoculture] but in space" that people tend to forget that these armies are pulled from entire planets which have had thousands of years of their own developments. No single planet is going to have a population that's a single skin color unless something very weird is going on with the planet.
