How big of a deal would it be if the "Steam Deck 2" was an ARM device?
>>730586582their new VR device is already gonna be on ARM, they're obviously setting up the ground for it. steamdeck 2 might be on ARM, steamdeck 3 definitely will.
>>730586582I honestly think apple did the right thing going with those massive ARM clusters Nintendo should have also heavily researched into their own ARM hardware. But shiggy is a mentally retarded delusional boomer that doesnt understand things change, especially technology and muh gimmickus is fucking dumb post 2010.They should make a a phone with a pro model at 500$ with their custom unix OS. Have the phone play mobile games and switch within 10 seconds to a handheld mode that can play "real games". Shit would be the second most sold phone right behind the iphone, even if the base model was 500$ if they told people hey this phone will be updated for 5-6 years first party then another 2 years of legacy updates, thats it they won the mobile market right away. Then create a real fucking console with no stupid gimmickus that plays the phone games at a high rez+FPS plus console only games.Its gonna be so funny when the switch 2 is hacked by next year
>>730586870steamframe is arm because all the VR games are arm based. hence they're also making an arm compatiblity layer.
>>730587167switch 2 is never getting hacked because there's no entrypoint. only reason switch 1 got hacked is because of nvidia exploit.
>>730587326there's just no reason to hack the switch 2 right now as you already have access to the entire game library from your switch 1 emulator.as usual for hacking and pirating, where there's a will, there's a way.
>>730587169>because all the VR games are arm basedNot all.The strongest example is Skyrim VR.Elite Dangerous and Truck Sim would be others.
>>730587326They said that about the 3DS and now you can crack one with a microwave. hooked up to an SD card reader.
>>730587797>>7305874183DS had a crap ton of exploits.To this day there was only one hw level exploit for Switch and it only affected early units every other future model was patched. But that entrypoint what just enough. Switch 2 has no such thing.
>>730586582Not the biggest fan of ARM due to the lack of standards that allow for locked bootloaders and a general lack of control for end users.
A big deal because all the Android chink handhelds would suddenly become 10x better.
I bet that Gaben plans on eventually making RISC-V gaming a thing.He seems intent on getting rid of PC gaming's dependence on other big corporations. Using a FOSS ISA seems like the final step.
>>730587418I think the Switch 2 won't be hacked because there was zero enforcement, at least not against europeans, back when scires exploited the Switch v1, but then midway through that gen some hackers ended up getting sanctioned for the rest of their life over it. There was that one guy who got to stay in jail for 3 years and then had to pay Nintendo 30% of any salary until he dies.Nintendo has become a more threatening conglomerate of a company now, and Switch has some Palantir-related features like the camera and data-retention, so I think that has deterred hackers from even bothering, also given that the Steam Deck gives you what you want.But yeah, if there's no exploit there's no exploit. But personally I don't believe it. I just think people were scared off from looking for one and talking about it. Switch 2 would make for a kickass homebrew machine though, since it could run Switch 1 brew, and essentially become a way to play Switch 1 games in docked mode but in handheld. I can't believe Nintendo hasn't enabled a feature like that.
>>730587418They never hacked the OLED because there's no hardware exploit by default, and no software exploit was ever found that could be used unlike the 3DS and the Wii or Wii U.People who play homebrew on their OLEDs is because they manually added a component to the chipset by dismantling the hardware first. So it's just unlikely there actually is anything for the Switch 2. Nintendo takes hacking extremely seriously after all the money they lost on earlier platforms.
>>730587169>all the VR games are arm basedon steam?
>>7305899985% of VR games are on Steam. Rest of them are Quest games
>>730590874The Steam Frame wont have the Quest store.You'd have to pirate quest games. Would they even function on non-quest hardware at that point? Are you saying they made the Steam Frame arm just to run pirated games that might not even function?
>>730586582Considering steams breakthrough with FEX they could easily do this. They have everything set up already to achieve thishttps://youtu.be/zkDjLWsMg1A
>>730587169the fuck are you talking about?only VR game is alyx, and everything else is shit like DCS and racing sims.
>>730591010I think they are portbegging and if that fails they justify the headset with the 5% of games. Pico headsets have been out for years and no Quest games have worked on those.
The bigger reason the switch 2 hasn't been hacked is that you can't really modify the internals of the console at all in any way, even disconnecting the battery makes it instantly brick. Nintendo did some serious work on anti tamper tech.
>>730587326>Switch 2 is never getting hacked because there's no entrypoint.There's no such thing as perfection in our world.There's no perfect safe that can't be exploited.Switch 2 hacking will happen whether you or Nintendo like or not
>>730586582apple should be worried
>>730593513About 20 years from now when Nintendo moves onto the switch 3 of course.
can a /g/ anon explain the layman's differences between ARM and x86 architecture
>>730595421CISC (like x86) uses many complex, variable-length instructions designed to do more work per instruction and maintain decades of backward compatibility, while RISC uses a smaller, more regular set of simple instructions that are easier to execute efficiently. RISC is often chosen because its simplicity enables lower power use, easier optimization, and better performance per watt, making it ideal for mobile devices and modern scalable CPUs.
It would be better if valve engineers found out a breakthrough in battery technology instead desu.
>>730595421x86 is an ancient architecture that needs a fuckton of energy and you could warm up an apartment with that.ARM is newer architecture that phones and macs use and it runs so cool that you don't even need fans and it uses a lot less energy.
>>730595790the miracle battery is coming (soon... maybe?)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qsi-TS8PX7U
>>730595421It means jackshit, there's virtually no difference between one and the other>>730595694>>730595802>ARM chips don't hea-ACKARMbros don't LOOK
>>730586582It'd fucking suck with how bad compatibility is on ARM still. >>730595802>ARM is newer architecture that phones and macs use and it runs so cool that you don't even need fansSure as fuck does when you're running real software and not your stupid phone crap, hence phones getting obsoleted by chinkhelds.
>>730595802>you don't even need fansright, and you get a whopping 10 minutes, even if, in throttled performance till your battery starts melting.observe package temp going to 95c as soon as you load it up.
>>730597704you say that but my phone doesn't heat up running netherSX2.sure as fuck melts trying to run genshin even at 30 gps though.
>>730598028I have used my M1 MacBook Air for 5 years and it never heats up. Only thing that made the SoC go over 50°C was Cities: Skylines and it ran perfectly even when it was hot. And this fucking thing doesn't even have a fan. I have ran Win11 virtual machine and played Noita on that thing with no problem. And I have the fucking 8GB unified memory version
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8OmQqyTLfE
>>730598112Maybe it's because emulators are not actually GPU-intensive, and the reason the phone heats up in other games is because they're maximizing the GPU.
>>730598112My phone only gets hot if I run anything at 60 FPS for a longer period. Otherwise even Genshin only makes it slightly warm.
>>730586582There's no Qualcomm chip strong enough to fit what Valve wants in a Steam Deck 2. Chances are it'll use a heavily cutdown semi-custom Medusa Premium and match the amount of cores and compute units in the current Steam Deck.
>>730598556probably has a heat sync at least.>>730598753probably cause emulation is just that good and ps2 is pretty old. im even running it at 2.5x res.>>730599165what phone? I call bs.even red magic with active cooling overheats after 15 minutes.
>>730601208Poco F2 Pro
>>730601385>f2 pro>genshin @ 60fpsyou're bullshitting.I barely get stable 60 on f6 and I have to nuke the throttling process and add a cooler
x86 was released in 1978>ewww icky ancient architectureARM was relased in 1985>:OOOO so modern and new architeture, wow the decoder uses 0.01mW less on ARM
>>730602375I mean it is pretty impressive what phones can do but I wish there was a way to properly benchmark and compare architectures to each other.
>>730601726you're right, it's not a stable 60it dips into 50s and 40snot like I'd play it that way because of the battery drain
>>730604579I pretty much gave up on battery and when I play I plug in the charger (with limiter set to 80%) and slap a tec cooler on the back.keeps it cool and basically sucks as much power as the CPU needs put the wall.if only passthrough powering of phones was more common.but a replacement battery costs like 10 bucks so what the hell.
>>730604908Yeah, but if you plug it in it adds extra heat, no wonder you need a coolerI only play Genshin on it at work or on the shitter to do dailies, so 30 FPS doesn't bother me there.I'd rather save the battery because it served me well for the past 5 years and I heard recent phones are mostly shittier(no 4K60FPS camera) in the same price bracket.>if only passthrough powering of phones was more common.that we agree on
