How did PC gaming win?
By not being a monolithic entity owned by a single corporation.
By doing nothing
>>730588178How did Steam do nothing? Epic is spending billions and is nowhere close to Steam.
>>730588098Virtually no barrier to entry.
Win? Win how? Nintendo is still going strong
Steam hit a new peak CCU just now btw
>>730588098Not having faggot subscriptions for locked down online services, literally being able to support any controller, any monitor, able to adjust settings for games to support your current GPU. Having all games from the beginning of time be playable.
>>730588098because china banned consoles for years and the consoles they do get are region locked and have no games.
>>730588696Bots
>>730588098Turns out people want to own nothing and that makes them happy
>>730588696>42 million Indiansgrim
>>730588098Console gaming intentionally retarded itself so that it could keep sponsoring itself with cheapo ewaste.PC can use any input device that has a USB connection and rebinding controls is standard, consoles are all limited to controller designs that were last innovated in 1997 and you're relying on devs to come up with a good control scheme.
>>730588098>How did PC gaming win?They removed the web browser from the PS5 and switch 2 so now you need a PC to watch twitch and twitter, so why even bother having multiple devices if your PC can run games too
>>730588098kohacka will milk his games for exclusivity deals whenever possible and does not care if they actually sell well as long as he gets paid.previously spike chunsoft announced that over half of all danganronpa sales were on PC and that danganronpa S would be switch exclusive at the same time.rain code was announced with a trailer showing PC gameplay and no platforms announced while they shopped for deals and then its next trailer showed it was switch exclusive and had badly downgraded graphics and performance from the first trailer.world's end club was released unfinished on apple arcade as a timed exclusive, then the finished version was released for switch as a timed exclusive, THEN when the switch exclusivity ran out they released it on steam. it was also unplayable on the steam deck for a long time, and the devs said they weren't going to fix it, but then when proton updates fixed it without them trying, they celebrated it and promoted that it now worked on the steam deck.fast forward to hundred line, his company's on the verge of bankruptcy because the publisher who was funding it dropped out late in development (because it's a bad game) and he had to finish it with his own funds. new publisher steps in and just wants to publish it on the platforms they already developed for without shopping around for deals. kohacka changes his tune to "PC is important and definitely not my third choice done only out of desperation!"if epic offered him EGS exclusivity he would take it. he's pretending to be done with deals because he released 3 flops in a row and stopped getting them.
Who knew locking consumers with less games in 6 year cycles for 40 years was a bad long term business plan??????????????
>>730591020>twitch and twitterSo you mean console gamers actually play games while PC gamers just watch streamers and shitpost... Explains the state of this board
>>730588302That's because they arrived late to the game.
>>730588984>t. indian shillbot
Console exclusives drove me away from consoles in my case. With no games held hostage PC wins.Followed by paying twice to use the internet. No subscription to play some games with your friends on PC. PC wins again.And then of course even a fucking used 100 dollar ebay potatoe PC has compatibility for every console since the begining yet a modern console barely has backwards compatability with its own brand or just sleezily attempts to make you rebuy old games...PC wins again.And lets not forget modern consoles are just x86/arm PCs anyway but locked down. So now if you need to do somethiing that isnt vidya games (what limited vidya games you even get) you cant because its locked down for no real fucking reason so you cant even install a goddamn word processor let alone edit a video or picture. PC wins again.Cant mod games on a console. PC has the easy ability to mod fucking everything. Some go so far as total conversions that may as well be completely different games....for free.Consoles are a fuckin rip-off.
>>730588098Consoles have just been shitty locked down PCs for the past 20 years or so, and now that the age of exclusives is more or less over apart from Nintendo. There is no reason to stick with the inferior system.
>>730591020>so now you need a PC to watch twitch and twitterPS5 has apps like Twitch and YouTube. They don't have a proper web browser because it makes it too easy to hack. Steam's active userbase is still carried by the third world, there are more PS5 consoles sold in the US (around 28 million as of January 2026) to the 14 to 15 million Steam users. And whilst you can say half of PS users are just playing F2P like Fortnite and buying less than 10 games per gen, Steam is made of users who pay $30 on average for a game so it's really just another console like platform. Steam Big Picture mode is essentially a PS user interface.
It won by losing all its exclusives to consoles despite winning... somehow.
>>730588098>the Japanese are starting to learnFucking finally.
>>730592658>40kkek kwab
>>730592697Only until Nintendo or Sony pay for an exclusive which will always happen. Two of the most notable releases this year - Dusk Bloods and GTA VI won't launch on PC.
>>730592658PCbros...
>>730592542Exclusivity was always bullshit and scammy though.Hey id like a copy of your game please!>No I cant give you a copy of my game unless you buy another system you dont already have and dont actually need.Why no? Dont you want my money?>We definetly want your money sir. But that other guy over there gave us a million dollars specifically on the condition that you couldnt buy it for your system.It was always another fuckin scam. This is also why nobody likes the epic games store
>>73059307940k bros...
>>730592542If ever PC made a dent on Sony's business they would instantly swing back to greater exclusivity, they are reactive to the market. In the 3 most important markets for sales - US, Japan, UK consoles still out perform Steam.
>>730592658So not fucking people over made people happy? who wouldve thought
>>730593149b-but op said PC won!
>>730592658>buy Warhammer 40k on PS5>no guarantee that it will work on the PS6 or PS7 or PS8>buy Warhammer 40k on PC>it will always work on everythingConsoles are a scam. Consolefags, especially the Snoys, port beg for 7th gen games constantly.
>>730592283This. Consoles are dumb tax.
>>730593149>USConsoles saw their weakest Black Friday this year. Sales were down across the board. Most of the year was carried by the Switch 2, and even that seems to be losing momentum.>JapanThey don't give a fuck about high-end AAA gaming.>UKlol
>>730593659>>730593712PC is a scam
>>730594015>scamI knew exactly what I was buying and get a working computer out of it that does every media job I need it to do and gaming.
>>730588098>dominated by PCI highly doubt that's the case for JRPGs specifically. You'll notice Expedition 33 didn't really do so hot on Steam awards where only players vote, for example.
>>730593659People always look at PC as initially expensive because they're never factoring in all the costs if you actually want to play more than one game per year on consoles and possibly online. Or at least that was the case until recent price hike retardations, but the point still stands.
>>730594015Paying someone NOT to provide a business or service to someone else is a scam.Thats what console companies (and epic) do.
The rampocalypse was the final nail in the coffin on PC gamingRest in piss!
>>730588302First mover advantage and holding Half Life 2 hostage the cunts.
>>730592658I am so sorry console cucks. You dont deserve to suffer like this. I beg you. Get a cheap ass PC and play Total War Rome, Medieval, or Shogun 2 and spare yourself this travesty,
>>730593149>exclusivityNo such thing.
Console>plug and play>physical media>real gamesPC>troubleshooting>digital only>spreadsheet simulatorsI think the choice is clear here!
>>730594607>holding half life 2 hostageOrange box. Half life 2 was ported to other systems.
>>730594490Your Fisher Price tablet toy uses RAM too fucktard, you're just as fucked as the rest of us.
>>730588098Unironically the biggest boost to pc has not been any of a pcs own qualities, it was consoles. Sony and Microsoft getting rid of their exclusives have done more to raise Steam numbers than anything Steam has done. I even saw it first hand, I had a friend in high school who was an Xbox user and that didn’t make sense to me since he liked anime and had niche interests that Xbox didn’t align with. I asked him why he went with Xbox and he replied with one word, “Halo”. When the Master Chief Collection was ported to Steam, guess what fucking platform he moved to. Pc used to have jack shit for games unless you liked extremely autistic sims and pixelshit indie games but now it it has the most iconic franchises from both Sony and MS. I firmly believe that if MS never ported their exclusives, pc wouldn’t have had these massive gains in MAU that we’ve seen
>>730595139If consoles losing exclusives was the only thing holding back PCs from dominance console were a bad deal in the first place.If your business strat was paying motherfuckers into not selling things to other people then your product was fuckin garbage to begin with.Exclusivity is and always was an anti customer scam racket.
It doesn’t matter because a year from now councils will be the king because Donald Trump is destroying PC and destroying America. This man needs to be in jail. None of us Americans could afford even food in rent anymore. I fucking hate this man so much and I cannot wait until death takes him away.
>>730595551Hope ICE deports the rest of your family. The clock is ticking pedro
>>730594412Your PC must be shit if it's comparable in price to a console
>>730588172nah, Valve has a de facto monopoly and they take 30% of every game's sales. they are doing exactly what MS and Sony did on consoles, except they managed to do it on PC with just software. it's as impressive as it's damaging to game quality. having a second tax-man that takes 30% out of your revenue creates extremely limiting conditions. risk increases so you get all the gay shit that comes with investors who fear risk. everything with any budget at all is safe slop. Valve's greed is partly to blame for that.
A pair of RAM sticks that I bought a year or so ago for around $125 is now going for $487 now. How did we "win" anything?
>>730594994posting from before 2008? enjoy it while it lasts.
>>730593037>gta 6>this year
>>730595869It's not 30% for major publishers, the rates are already reduced for successful indie games and there's no reason to believe it's not even lower for major publishers. There's a reason they all came back to Steam after 10+ years with their own storefronts. For the likes EA and Ubisoft etc. it's entirely possible that Valve takes 0% in exchange for monopoly.
>>730595737PC gamers are poorhere's proof >>730595881
>>730588302more evidence that you cant spend enough money to make people like something, lol
>>730588098westyoids tech transfered turdie world to second world status and pc brownies have invaded. simple.
>>730593149>>730593247>>730595869>shilling this hard>>730595551Uh oh melty
>>730588098A whole slew of reasons, but also consoles are just that laughably shit.
>>730588383Going strong down the toilet.
>>730596552>I'm actually superior to you because... I PAID MORE FOR THE SAME ITEM!!Weird cope, brownie.
>>730595869>Valve has a de facto monopolyThey don'tAny one can make their own store, dlsite, gog, itch.io, patreons...But on console, you're fucked, sony want you to censor your game ? You comply or get removed and their will be no other way to sell your game
>>730592658>buh exclusivityCorpo cuck apologists fighting against their own self interest will never not be hilariously sad
>>730596724This, Japan is the only market that matters now
>>730592658learn about the doctrines of neoliberalism and stop making dumb uninformed posts
>>730597324Take a cyanide pill, retard.
>>730597030>They don't>Any one can make their own store, dlsite, gog, itch.io, patreons...in order to gain an audience in the first place you have to be on steam. almost nobody manages to do it without steam. arguing that valve don't have a monopoly comes down to semantics. they factually have a monopoly in every way that actually MATTERS. they hold access to the entire PC gaming audience while elsewhere you would be fighting for crumbs. itch? only game developers use that. patreon? only big youtubers / twitch streamers can gather the funds to make a game via crowd-funding. so if you go that route you're a full time "content creator" and the content isn't games.in actual lived reality a game developer needs to release on Steam at least until he has a following, or he needs to pour years into detours like gaining a big reach on social media.
PCsisters this thread isn't good for our narrative...
>>730597083 who taught you to speak like that?
>>730597523Valve
>>730596959PC costs more than console though
>>730597553please stop with the buzzwords. It makes you sound like a genuine retard
PC lost
>>730597630lmao retard
>>730597703PC could win if it shed the poorfag baggage
>>730597596>ummm... consolesHere's your (You) retard.
>>730597740Nobody uses those words. You just sound like a moron try hard, which is a shame as you make a point
>>730597703Then why is it winning
>>730597768are you saying PC costs less?
>>730597776>which is a shame as you make a pointI know, and that's the point
>>730597887You want people to think you're a moron. Fair play
>>730597915You think consoletards give a flying fuck about anyone's super serious, respectful and well reasoned argument? They do not and I will continue to laugh
>>730597747>PC could win IFlol
>>730597523>>730597776Of all the posts you could pick out, you go for that one? Nice try, falseflagging concern troll.
console exclusives started being awful, and PC can play all-time classic games older than newfags for free
>>730595869Timmy pls
>>730598303>PC wins because I can steal!
>>730597460Still not Monopoly, sorry.
>>730597369uh oh meltie
>>730598358If time is money, why would I spend work time for pleasure time if I don't have to
PC "won" 25 years ago
>>730588302Too bad Timmy didn't spend that money to make his storefront FUNCTIONAL
>>730598049>consoletardsyou can't help being a huge whopper can you.
>>730595869>30%actual paid shill talking point because epic tries to sell developers on the fact that they are the only major distributor that takes less than 30% (every other one does, it isn't unique to valve)
>>730595869>more market share = le monopoly Low iq take. Valve are dominant because the rest of the competition is that incompetent. We could have a feature rich storefront launcher that even surpasses valves feature rich eco system, but no one does that because everyone else just wants to cash in at the lowest cost and risk to themselves and their shareholders (hence why valve has an advantage not being cucked by public investor interest).
>>730598384Yeah, your post was embarrassing. Glad you owned up to it.
>>730598667Would you prefer consoleplebs?
>>730598667why in god's cock are you expecting people to have normal and respectable conversations here
>>730594924No need, those will be ported too.
>>730593659>b-b-butPathetic. Just like when /v/ insisted PS5 wouldn't play PS4 games.
>>730598882Tell us how many ps1-ps3 games you can play, retard console cuck?
>>730598806Considering his own aggressive posts, he isn't. He's just taking offense to people attacking consoles while trying to pretend otherwise.
>>730598703You mean bloated launcher with DRM and forced social features? Because that's what it's called when it's not Valve doing it
>>730599187>forced social featuresYou know you can turn those off and never have to see another persons steam page ever, right?
>>730599187My profile is private and I am invisible. Steamhas a shitload of useful features. Other launchers are anemic at best or full of spyware and ads and fuck up your ability to play the games at worst.
>>730595869>having a second tax-man that takes 30% out of your revenue creates extremely limiting conditions. risk increases so you get all the gay shit that comes with investors who fear risk. everything with any budget at all is safe slop. Valve's greed is partly to blame for that.I'm all for having revenue cuts be smaller but I hate how it's generally phrased in a way that it's only bad when Valve does it, when others like the Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo take that too, and if the argument is like the one you point out then they deserve the same critisism since it really wouldn't matter if X takes 30% or Y.Unless you are for everyone one of these companies reducing their cut in which I agree.
>>730599062thanks for speaking for me. I have a PC
>>730599010How many would you want to play?
>>730599681And? You thinking that disqualifies someone from being a consolewarrior is telling.
>>730599956>has a PC>you must be a console warrior You didn't think this one through
>>730588098For the same reason Nintendo won, PlayStation and Xbox shitted on themselves until they had no money. AAA was never organic nor was it ever going to last.
>>730600294Nintendo really isn't winning anymore.
>>730599681Nearly everyone has a pc dudeHence, winning
>>730600510So why are the only games worth playing console ports?
>>730600708because you have immature taste. hope that clears it up.
>>730599801Way more than PS4/PS5 games that’s for sure
>>730600708And there it is.
>>730600981ok. tell me some good PC games to play
If you pay close attention you will notice that most of this thread is one salty consolenigger seething
>>730601163>you can't ask questions based on peoples responses otherwise you're a consoleniggerwhy?
>>730601019which ones would you like to play?
difficult questions?
>>730598678>>730598703the fact that epic shills point out the 30% cut doesn't make it less true or relevant.>every other one does, it isn't unique to valveGOG and itch don't. and those are the two other places to get PC games.>We could have a feature rich storefront launcher that even surpasses valves feature rich eco systemnobody wants a SECOND launcher. Valve have what is called a NATURAL MONOPOLY because gamers will only ever tolerate one fucking store / launcher app. where Tim Sweeney went wrong was to think he could establish a Steam clone. ever. EA and Ubisoft already learned this lesson but Tim thought he knew better than them.no Steam clone can ever succeed because Steam already exists. that's how natural monopolies work. the first mover gets the entire market and nobody else can get in. you could literally make a store / launcher that's better at everything and people would still stick to Steam because they already have it and they have a hundred games in it. for many PC gamers Steam is the only bloatware they allow to start with Windows, true always on DRM. you will typically use it at least once while your PC is on so of course you don't want to wait for it to start then, right? so you let it auto-start. no second program will enjoy this privilege. Steam is it. we're stuck with it for decades to come. the only thing that can compete with Steam is free. piracy, or free to play games that can patch themselves without a launcher, that sort of thing. you want gamers to pay before playing a game? your game is on Steam or it flops.>>730599557my main gripe is this clause they have that prohibits one from selling a game cheaper elsewhere. as in, if I sold a game on a cheaper platform and on Steam I have to use the same pricetag in both places. you legally agree to never pass savings on to the customer. think about that. that's who Valve really are. that's what they are.
>>730588302Steam actually didn't do nothing. Valve implemented lots of features which make people like it more than competitors like Epic. Before you give me the classic autismo "but I don't like those features" answer, try to keep in mind that other people aren't you. Although Valve did benefit from being "first" (not actually the first digital distributor but they still had the first big success), and although Valve does make absolute fucktons of money by doing nothing (e.g. by just letting the Steam marketplace do its thing while automatically taking >=$0.02 from every transaction), they also put a lot of shit into the platform even if each feature appeals only to a minority. I'll give you one example: Epic have family sharing with parental controls? I use that feature on Steam, and I don't care how many other people think it's stupid.
>>730602513Oops.>does Epic haveFixed. And if it does then cool but I never heard of it so it's an advertising fail at best.
>>730602232>you legally agree to never pass savings on to the customerIf that was generally the case that would be something that should be dealt with (and anyone else enforcing it) but sadly it's a non factor 99.9% of the time.Big publishers generally won't since they need that number to go higher then last time, and others showed that even when not bound to such an obligation they still charged normal prices anyways.
>>730602690for sure big publishers are always going to ask for their 60 bucks or more. but I'm more concerned with indies and """indies""". smaller developers could and absolutely would do things like>price game at 10 bucks on Steam (7 bucks go to the dev after Steam pockets 3)>price game at 8 bucks off Steam (8 bucks go to the dev)>customer saves 20%>dev earns 14% more>customer becomes more comfortable looking for better deals and buying games outside of Steamnothing but positives for everybody except Valve.
PC gamers just keep losing
>>730604012I mean I'd be cool with that but even they showed they will still charge the same even when a bigger cut is given.It's really not shocking that when you ask people "Do you want to make more money" they tend to say yes.>customer becomes more comfortable looking for better deals and buying games outside of SteamWhile it still goes back to Steam I often find games cheaper on places like GMG or Fantacal and you can almost always get gasmes cheaper there but frankly most people will just buy directly on Steam even though it's more expensive.
>>730599010>emulationYou didn't play the game
>>730604024steam will be the only platform standing once consoles will inevitably go digitalconsole goyim will turn to streaming
>>730604640can't wait
>>730588098Win?
>>730604962PC thirdies can't say what PC supposedly won
>>730604962Cozy Caravan hasn't released on console
>>730599010>emulationYou're remastering the game FOR FREE.
>>730604798>Vital ShellI remember playing the demo on my Deck and leaving my best regards to the dev on youtube. Had fun. Might buy it.
I can't think of anything worse than playing a ps1 , ps2 or ps3 game
>>730588098and I just won!
>>730604798what exactly are you crying about? people being able to make games?
>>730605480Playing a PS4 or PS5 game is worse
>>730604798What are you trying to say here?
I remember the old port-begging days. Things sure have changed since then.
>>730605840I'm trying to say that PC has everything. It has the trashy kusoge and smut games. It has the ultra niche hidden gems made by single man dev teams. It has the AAA that consolecucks are bragadacious about. It has everything. 10 more years of the PS5 means 10 more years in which I don't have to upgrade my PC. They just don't get why I do not want to buy a PS5.
>>730605480uncslop
>>730595881your investment is appreciating in value and you're still complaining?
>>730599010All of them because I own a 60GB PS3 phat.
>>730601086Homeworld 3, the only exclusive current-gen PC game.
>>730606009>PC has trashThanks for clarifying!
>>730595869lol retard
PC Vegan cult thread
PCVegan cult. /g/ troons. /v/alve Reddit fanboys.
>>730608307>>730608204do consolecucks really believe making publishing a game easier is a bad thing because most will fail?you do know that indies are born on pc right?
>>730608385Indie devs are trannies
>>730608501imagine admitting you consume this slop
>>730608307So 11,000 games made more than $1000?That's pretty good.
>>730608204>>73060830790% of everything is crud. This is Steam working as intended. 10% is still 2000 decent or better games in a single year. Puts console libraries to absolute shame.
>>730605840that out of that list of wonderful new games the amount of interest I have in any of them is lower than zero
>>730609695>If I keep saying the games are better then they are ok
>>730608965Mogs indietroon slop
>>730609763They are ok, no need to be upset about it. PC has quantity an dquality. If you argue against that, you're also shitting on all the console games PC has, which is 99.99% of them.
>>730609713Good thing steam gets 5x that amount every single day then.Also, if you don't like pathologic, you're a pleb.
>>730609963I don't see it, I have a PC and nearly every game I play on it is on console. Considering it has all these games how come I only like the console ones?
>>730610061
>>730610191UH PCXISTERS??? OUR EXCLUSIVES???
>>730610086>nearly
>>730610334Yes, I play AMS2 on PC.
>>730588098Having games on the platform instead of just over the shoulder third person movies helps.
>>730610191>Steam version has nearly 10x the reviews of PlaystationWhy don't snoys buy games?
>>730610820>muh botted reviewsnot the win you're looking for steamie!
>>730610961desperate cope from the consoloid as usual
>>730610820because console owners spend their time playing the game rather than trying to type a fucking review with a controller
>>730610820Console users are all seething online about how PC actually totally isn't winning.
>>730611479Winning which?
>>730611204uh huh
>>730600408They are though, Japanese publishers are all coming to them, western studios are starting to come to them. They won, if they didn't win, Sony wouldn't be shaking in their boots of Nintendo's success.
>>730610820>>730611713Steamies have superior intelligence, taste and standards, confirmed.
>>730604640Which consoles?
>>730611807Hardly, and nobody on the S2 is buying any third party games. It's catastrophic over there for them. Not to mention Nintendo has gone full snoy with their banning and censorship.
>>730611713it must be more fun on console
>>730588098by doing nothing
>>730612049>Not to mention Nintendo has gone full snoy with their banning and censorshipAnd why along with when did they start doing that, around the same time Valve started doing it, and what was the reason for it, morals? You do know that that's about to stop in a month right for both Nintendo and Steam? Also, if you have a PC, why would you even bother getting third party games on Switch/Switch 2 anyway, it's the inferior version? You get a Nintendo console for exclusives, that's it, that's how it's always been. You get a PC for everything else, and that can come in a desktop, a laptop, a Steam Machine, or just wait for the next gen Steam Deck.
>>730612082well duh, playing codslop 2025 is a misery and consoles play them for you
>>730612328I've never played a Battlefield or COD game. I wouldn't know. Glad you know all about it though.
>>730612319>And why along with when did they start doing that, around the same time Valve started doing itThey've been doing it quietly for years. They banned bare boobs years ago. They censor far tamer content like kissing and fat jokes while Valve will accept the most heinous shit and is only wary of loli, which, considering they actually got slammed by payment processors directly, is fair. And even then they'll still accept anything with a patch. It is really not the same situation or the same reasoning. Valve wants to avoid legal and payment problems that could cripple or kill them, Nintendo just wants to protect their image.
>>730612319>You do know that that's about to stop in a month right for both Nintendo and Steam?I sincerely doubt whatever you're referring to
>>730612593that's the most retarded and petty answer you could come up with?consolecucks love slop, especially if it gives them free gratification and pretends they're good by aiming for them
>>730611807I'm not seeing it. Console launches always make a huge show of third party support, but the third parties themselves are saying their sales are a bloodbath. I remember the Wii U getting a bunch of big third party games at launch and then nothing.
>>730612992>I've never played it >that's a retarded answerI don't speak for anyone else, unlike you.
>>730613241yes, pretending like you're some aristocrat when you're playing the worst versions of games and considering that as worth replying with is utterly retardedhumble yourself, you're selling your freedom for a hardware discount
If consoles are so great, why can't they play the newest entry in the illustrious, genre-defining, award-winning Homeworld series?
>>730612775>They've been doing it quietly for yearsIt was different then vs now, back then, it was because Reggie did due to wanting to Nintendo to keep their family friendly image here in the US, with the Switch, all of that got thrown away, when the new censorship policies came up, it sounded like it came straight from some evil ass payment processor's mouth who was standing behind companies like Nintendo and Valve with a shotgun telling them remove games they didn't like because muh morals. The payment processors fucked around and now THEY'RE ABOUT TO FIND OUT!!! Payment processors better be lucky the government is fixing their fuck ups to save their worthless lives because if they weren't, we Americans would be looking heavily into our 2nd Amendment and Constitutional rights on those payment processors' asses, right about now.>>730612905I'm getting very sick and tired of /v/'s protection of payment processors. I hope you faggots don't actually work at one of those places.
>>730613476>consoles suck so bad they don't get any games, not even the shitty oneslol
>>730613631>I'm getting very sick and tired of /v/'s protection of payment processorsWhat. How did you get that from my post, pp are cunts. I just doubt whatever you're talking about.
>>730613161They really don't have much of a choice. Xbox is dying, PlayStation is declining, you're gonna need to get your money from somewhere. PS6 and Xbox next aren't going to move people over, so devs are going to have to make games for Switch 2, Steam hardware, and weak PCs if they're going to get a sell, if not, then they better be prepared for the unemployment line.
>>730613343>you're playing the worst version of the gameswhat game version am I playing?
>>730613786When people here bring up the payment processors, there always seems to be this very irritating deflection to putting it on the company with a gun pointed at them by said payment processors.
>>730614003you don't have mods or options menus to adjust whatever you want and the game will forever be stuck on that generation of hardwarethe only time a console version is the best is when it's the only option, the moment it goes to pc or emulation pops up it's dethroned
>>730614198I don't have to adjust graphic settings. My games run perfectly well without having to lower settings. >games on console are worse than PCThat depends on the PC and the console. I bet a PS5 Pro is better than 70% of the gaming PCs on /v/
>>730588098>The Hundred Line: Last Defense Academy is a visual novel and tactical role-playing video game Why did they ruin a TRPG with a visual novel?
>>730614326your personal experience doesn't fucking matter, pcs can do more with games than consolesthat's not up for fucking discussion
>>730588098Consoles can only be used for gaming. PC can be used for a million other tasks. It's no coincidence that the only other thriving gaming market is the mobile one, because, just like PCs, phones can be used for a million other tasks.
>>730614472Mobile mogs PC btw
>>730588098xbox tried to be tvplaystation tried to be the movie theatrenintendo is off in lala land doing their own thing, but they've failed to make their hardware strong enough to stop emulators from emulating
>>730614556lol cope, all mobile has is emulationvalve is about to buckbreak the mobile slop market with proton for android
>>730614556Shut up fetus
>>730614556Mobile is also just shitty locked down PCs, just not as locked down as consoles.
>>730614449It's not my personal experience you retard. Just because a PC can do something better it doesn't mean every PC in existence can do it. What PC do you have?
>>730595869Ok, run your own store. Good luck advertising, managing payment processing, server hosting, download distribution etc etc etc.
>>730614859>I don't have to adjust graphic settings. My games run perfectly well without having to lower settings. >I bet a PS5 Pro is better than 70% of the gaming PCs on /v/see, you're too fucking retarded to understand the words you speakPC as a platform, not PC as a specific piece of hardwareyou're a moron
>>730614965what pc are you running?
>>730615002better than yoursis this you giving up? you clearly don't understand the argument
>>730613687They must be in shreds over getting Total War, Crusader Kings, Age of Empires, but no Homeworld 3.
>>730614556Only in revenue because retarded gachafags can't stop throwing money at shitty games
>>730615056>it's better, it's betterwhy can't you give a straight answer? You're saying that it's better, so show me how it's better.
>>730588098>do nothing>winlike this
>>730614472My coffeemaker can only be used to make coffee. Never have I wished that I could browse Discord on it, or work on spreadsheets.
>>730615140you're going to keep coping? the same game will always be better on pc than on a consolethis is undisputableyou're going to keep bashing your ugly mug into this brick wall?
>>730615263 I bought my coffee maker just to browse discord
>>730615089Gachashit is depressing. Sad how easily people fall into and reward that trap.
>>730615318So your PC is a shitbox, got it
>>730588098?
>>730615318>games are better on PCare they better on your PC?What PC are you running, or are you another clown who spends his day larping his top shit PC on /v/
>>730615365so you're illiterate and can't follow basic logic, got it
>>730615380PCsisters...
>>730615380Definition of insanity.
>>730615450My PS5 Pro is more powerful than your PC. ha ha
>>730615407yes, they arethe ps6 will be at best on par with my pc due to it only having 52 udna cusare you yet another clown who doesn't understand logic?
>>730615380Japanese are smart and know computers are for work
>>730615537>you just don't understandHelp me understand. Post your PC specs.
>>730615380aren't they just starting to use touch screen phones over there?
>>730615263If your PC could make coffee you wouldn't buy a coffee maker
>>730615662who said?
>>730615380Sounds like badly done research
>>730615537>he won't post his PC because he knows he's lost
>>730615607not worth it, you're such a fucking jeet that you think this is about izzatso i take it that you've ran out of shit to say?console versions of games are objectively functionally inferior to pc versionsdispute this or fuck off
>>730615625Yes. Actual PC gaming is swiftly outpacing consoles over there, which is why so many Japanese are desperate to get onto Steam, but that article is counting gachafags who migrated to mobile.
>>730615880All you've done is name call me. All I've done is ask you what PC you have. You're clearly ashamed of it. It probably runs worse than a regular PS5. I would be ashamed of it too with all the shit you've posted about PCs in this thread.
>>730615998Or it's simply a case of people who play vidya on PC often also play vidya on mobile while people who play on mobile are less likely to also play on other platforms
It’s a fuckin shame the PC version of that game flopped though, but it was expected. Too Japanese.
>>730616027no, you've lost the argument and you're just pathetically trying to extend it nowconsole versions of games are objectively functionally inferior to pc versionsdispute this or fuck off
>>730588302Steam is constantly doing things it's such a stupid narrative. Valve has always tried really hard to link social tools with a store and launcher, and not get in the user's way in the process, and that's why it has won for so long. More recently they've been pushing extra hard to drag Linux into something usable for normalfags and succeeded on that front too. They are doing so much they might actually push the percentage of people on Linux high enough that companies finally get over EAC bullshit because they'd be leaving too much money on the table.I hope everyone that says Steam won by doing nothing gets sent to an alternate dimension where all they have is a 2026 version of GFWL, EA Origin, and Ubisoft's bullshit to deal with. Steam dragged PC gaming out of a dark age where you had to contend with every other publisher's own brand of unique bullshit just to install and play your games. It's why people were so anal about owning games physically because having a digital library was an almost completely non-viable anal rape nightmare until Valve stepped in.
>>730616027What does his PC specs have to do with PC games being superior to their console versions?
>>730616158Stop trying to change the subject. I'm asking you what PC you're using to play your games with. Everyone can read your little sperging out now and thinks you're full of shit. Do you even have a PC? I bet it's some old laptop ha ha
>>730616182everything.
>>730616286but you're changing the subject?none of this started with dick measuring, this is a cope you came up with on the flyconsole versions of games are objectively functionally inferior to pc versionsdispute this or fuck off
>>730616380>PC is better than your consoleok show me your PC which is better than a console.
>>730616325Even if he plays games on a potato, that doesn't change the fact that PC versions of games are superior to console versions
>>730616179Tell chatgpt to not redditspace while typing cringe valve cocksucking fanfic.
>>730616417not true. A PS5 Pro will play games better than some old PC running a GTX670
>>730616115Japanese games frequently flop on PC and PS while selling well on Nintendo platforms
>>730616413you are losing izzat by posting thisyou do know that, right jeet?
>>730616457only browns and children would play something like minecraft or terraria on a ps5 pro over a 670
>>730616543>jeet jeet jeetyou're the jeet here. You're too ashamed to post your PC specs.How bad is your life if you have to pretend you have a good PC on an anonymous board?
>>730616457But the game software is still superior on PC even if some third world pajeets shitbox can't run it
>>730616664>the game is better on another persons PClol that doesn't mean you're not a jeet
>>730616640you're too ashamed to admit you lost so now you're desperately trying this brown strategy of talking about muh lived experiencesadconsole versions of games are objectively functionally inferior to pc versionsdispute this or fuck off
>>730616726Did you know trolling outside of /b/ is a bannable offense?
>>730588302Gabe is genuinely really smart and has made a lot of good decisions back in the days. The whole history of Steam is Valve making unconventional decisions and playing the long game. While everyone else was strengthening anti-piracy protection he approached the issue from angles of availability and convenience. He has repeatedly said in various interviews that people will stop pirating games even in poor countries if they are given good service and reasonable prices.
>>730616179Yeah. Valve does a shitload, but it's all very quiet. They don't advertise anything. They saved PC, have loads of features and conveniences that made a launcher better than piracy, are saving Linux, and now are gunning for ARM while getting into the hardware space. If any other corporation was doing any of the things Valve does they'd be making a huge deal about it. If Nintendo was competent, they'd have already made their own ARM compatibility layer (even if they'd never open source it in a million years) so developers could easily port their games. Instead, they're going to benefit from Valve's work. This 350 employee company is btfoing corporations with workforces 50-1000x that size.
>>730616761What have I lost? I have superior games to you. Yours must be really low spec as you can't even do a gotcha over a PS5 console. How poor are you?
>>730616776I'm not trolling. My console is better than anons PC.
>>730616879Did you know instigating flame wars is also a bannable offense?
>>730616843stay delusional thenit's funny to see jeets like you having to stoop to something like this to defend cuck toys
>>730617004>you're instigating a flame war by asking someone to prove they have a PC shut up retard
>>730617017>jeet jeetyou're another brokie with a big mouth on the internet. Post your PC or shut up
>>730617004Did you know that's also true for racism?
>>730588098China. Over 50% of Steam is Chinese.
>>730617227There's no racism here, nigger
>>730617312halp, mods!
>>730617106please, continue to embarrass yourselfi'm sure the logic of needing to post pictures of your gunshot wound to prove that shooting yourself is bad really holds up in your kindergarten
>>730617242China always wins
>>730617362>post picturesI asked you what spec your PC was and you shit the bed. It's obviously really low spec. I didn't realise Botswana had internet.
>>730617242it would take you less time to fact check your bullshit than it did posting it
>>730617459oh my, you're really this deficient? maybe i would earlier but at this point you're not even worth it because of how fucking dug in are you around thiswhy not go to reddit, they love talking about themselves and their lived experiences, you belong there more if you just can't discuss ideas themselves
>>730617614>still can't even mention the spec of his pclol poorfags and the internet
>>730617642you're not worth itagain, if you want to gossip you should go to reddit because you're clearly not here to discuss anythingconsole versions of games are objectively functionally inferior to pc versionsdispute this or fuck off
>>730617715>still doesn't mention his PC specswhat a loser you must be in real life
Atlus gave in and started releasing their games on PC. Sony gave in and started releasing their games on PC. Soon Nintendo will accept how the gaming market has changed and will start releasing their games on PC. Of course they will be stubborn and will make their own shitty launcher instead of using the superior Steam platform but they WILL release their games on PC eventually. The Switch 2 is a flop and the writing is on the wall. Nintendo needs to adapt and soon.
>>730617747>give me your pc's pronouns chudhttps://www.reddit.com/r/playstation/you belong there with how insistent you are on not actually addressing the point
>>730616469Proof? Why are they so desperate to get onto Steam then while often skipping Nintendo?
>>730617890You have no point. You're claiming you have a better PC than console. I don't believe you. Until you tell me your specs you're just another larping retard on the internet.
>>730618019i'm claiming that pc versions of games are better than console versionsyou're coping and seething about not being able to dispute this
>>730618019>phoneposterLmao, the console warrior was a phone tourist the whole time, not big suprise
>>730618079You're claiming other peoples PC games are better than console versions? Like someone with a RTX4090 or something? It's hardly front page news is it sherlock? Now your PC is a different matter. Your PC is obviously not a good PC and you probably stick to playing old games from 10 years ago because that's all it runs
>>730617860>Of course they will be stubborn and will make their own shitty launcher insteadI will look forward to them crawling to steam like everyone else.
>>730617860This is why I consider both you Steamies and Tendies to be pure retarded. Nintendo will continue to do their own thing and there is no reason for a Switch 3. Nintendo never follows Sony and Microsoft's retardation. You're a zoomer if you actually believe Sony or Microsoft are REAL video game companies. They're not and never will be. Nintendo is a toy company that treats both their games and hardware like toys. thus they'll stick with what Nintendo does best. You're too young to understand what's happening. Gaming is course correcting. high-end hardware will be unaffordable, PlayStation and Xbox will go away, Nintendo and Valve will make affordable hardware, AAA will go away while AA will return in full force, gaming will be taken over by Indie, A, and AA devs and studios, gaming market will shrink, normalfags will leave gaming due to no longer getting what they want. New era will be Nintendo exclusives, PC exclusives, and third party games on both platforms. Tendies that want only Nintendo to exists, Steamies who want all gaming companies to kneel to only Valve will be lined up at a wall and shot, gaming will truly heal.
>>730618205no, we're talking about games, not the underlying hardware and there's no disputing that the pc versions are strictly bettera console game is forever frozen on its console, a pc game isn't, it'll continue to stay alive on any and all future hardware to the point that old consoles automatically become e waste due to emulation or pc ports
>>730618528and I'm talking about your hardware. You're here calling me a jeet when it's clear I have more money down the sofa than you have in your bank account.
>>730618575yes, you're a cretin that thinks everything should be broken down to the individual because you're too stupid to grasp conceptswe know that already
>>730618447>Nintendo never follows Sony and Microsoft's retardation.You have not been around for very long if you think that. Nintendo is always just a generation behind from their retardation.
>>730618706You're name calling me a jeet when my console is better than your PC. Do you not understand you're a retard?
>>730618754no, you're just throwing tantrums about not being able to change the subject because you lostdo you think that dieting doesn't work because you're obese too?
>>730618883>you lost>you're obese>you're a jeetYou have a low end PC which you're ashamed of. I'd rather be a fat jeet than a poor
>>730618941keep throwing tantrums little baby, waaah waaah waaahconsoles suck, they're a discount for the mentally deficient who value saving a bit of money up front for giving up their freedomfreedom which you clearly don't need when you can't argue the point
>>730619140consoles suck so much that you won't post your PC specs. lol
>>730619220because i don't need to and you don't deserve itgo back to school little baby, maybe they'll teach you about how you don't need to post your medical diploma to tell someone to douse their fingers with water to treat mild burns
>>730619382are you a bot?
>>730588098Kodaka needs to tell that to those faggots at Vanillaware.
>>730619505are you? you're carrying out llm instructions with how deliberately retarded you are
>>730619631Your posts are like what ChatGPT would produce if I requested it to make posts like a retard.
Why should I switch to PC when console gaming is just simpler and better?
>>730619627Eh, I get their games for free as a result.
>>730619689you're so incompetent at defending consoles that you desperately need your opponent to have a shit pc in order to not melt downhow sad
>>730619776 You shouldn't. Read the thread. Every PC fag is a huge blubbering retard.
>>730619824I'm not defending consoles. I'm asking you what specification your PC is.
>>730619776Emulation
>>730619876What are you emulating?
>>730619862you are defending consoles by insisting on talking about me specifically because you're too deficient to dispute the fact that pc game versions are better than console versions
>>730619916But not on your PC. Your PC isn't better than a console. Why you think that you can make claim to other peoples PCs is beyond me.
>>730588098I'm still sticking with consoles until PC goes back to physical games
>>730619776consoles will become digital only soon, if not next gen then the one afterat that point it's going to be a peak goy machine where all its perks have been stripped away and it hinges entirely on the user's low iq
>>730588098People like continuity. I can still play the games I bought on Steam back in 2010 without having to go digging for an outdated console.
>>730619990>in 10 years time consoles will be digital onlyso what?
>>730619908Lately ps2 and snes
>>730620083Consoles?
>>730620102That's what emulation is referring to
>>730588098Gabe Newell
>>730620167So you emulate consoles on a PC rather than play consoles on a console. Makes sense.
>>730619990And at that point every game will still be taylor made to run on console hardware which costs $500 - $1000 cheaper than a PC of the same performance.
>>730619963why do you need to cope this way? by your logic i can accuse you of being a fat 70iq indian living in a slum with no plumbing, shitting on the street and drinking from a diseased river and you can't dispute it without posting your full legal dox and recording of your daily life
>>730620230>a PC of the same performanceNo.
>>730620261Just know that you will never have the chance again to upgrade your computer. Whatever junk PC you have now will be what you game on until you die.
>>730620045>so what?so what if they can keep reselling you the same game over and over and that your library is forever bound to an account that you can't ever transfer any of the game assets out of?>>730620230>$500 - $1000 cheaper than a PC of the same performance.that would imply that sony/nintendo are willing to take that loss down the line believing they'll make it back off the average consumer
it's 2026 and people have been doing this console war faggotry since more than 20 yearsi just don't get it
>>730620431Why are you concerned what games I buy?What makes it different to Steam? You can't sell your Steam account or transfer games from it.
>>730620209Yes
>>730592658Who the hell gives a fucking shit. PC games coming to console isn't something new
>>730620338Consoles are always sold on the slimmest of profit margins with the idea that the software earns the money back. It's extremely cheap for the consumer. Only way to match those price points on PC hardware is to buy your parts at cost which is never happening for anyone.
>>730620519you can crack steam games and there's no hardware segmentation, you can play ancient games on the newest hardwareyou can't access the files on a digital console, it's just fucking steam big picture mode but you can't ever leave it without maintaining the functionality of the console
>>730588098>Game piracy & ConvenienceI can literally pirate any game I want and store it on a HDD and it'll be launchable or installable at any point in the future even if I don't have internet or the games get taken off stores for copyright, censorship, or other law reasons. Plus every game completely free.>Game moddingSimple as.>Game compatibilityI run W10 LTS and I can run any game I'm interested in, and I really only care for 21st century games and everything from 2001+ easily works. There's no headache about Xbox or PlayStation or Switch or Deck exclusives, literally everything just werks on PC.>Can use both mouse and keyboard and gamepad with no problem>Have access to deep file configuration like inis or removing intro screens>Have access to highest possible graphic presetsPC gaming is just the definitive way to experience vidya as the medium.
>>730620431>sony/nintendo are willing to take that loss down the line believing they'll make it back off the average consumerYes that's normal and how the industry has worked for decadess.
>>730593149The fact that Sony has started to port its exclusives tells you all you need to know. That shit would've been unthinkable 16 years ago
>>730620650so what? I don't want to steel games. I don't want to play old games. I don't need to access files on a console.
>>730588696>Same peak CCU as RobloxSteam bwos....?
>>730620348just know that your seethe is built entirely around being so insecure you think everyone has a shit pc until proven otherwiseyou're a destitute jeet with no access to plumbing or understanding of hygiene until you post your full legal dox
>>730620793What am I insecure about?You do have a shit PC.
The console market isn't shrinking, Sony and Nintendo are both selling as many console as they ever did. Switch, Switch 2, PS4 and PS5 are all massively successful.PC is just it's own separate thing that's growing since thirdies can't afford a dedicated gaming console but can buy a cheap pc they use for work. When you look at the most active games on Steam it's never high spec new releases it's always older shit or indie shitPC is no longer the master race, they're the thirdie masses
>>730620745>steelsaaaar
>>730620689losing $500-$1000 per unit isn't normal>>730620745>i don't need itdoesn't change the fact that a digital console is just the worst parts of pc digital with none of the benefits
>>730615662Yes I would because I wouldn't want my PC to be in the kitchen.
>>730620928>the thing which PC has done for 20 years is bad because it's on consoleThat sounds a little retarded
>>730620835you're insecure about pc games being superior to console versions of those games so you hyperfixate on thisdo all consolecucks have dementia?
>>730620568That's true, PC has never been viable enough to have exclusives, you're right.
>>730621007Why would I be insecure about PC games?
>>730620995>the thing which PC has done for 20 years is bad because it's on consolecan you open the fucking file manager? can you install whatever you want? can you even open a fucking internet browser?NO RETARD, you hardware gets shut down if it's tampered with
>>730619970You can literally just make your own physical games on PC if you want to see plastic on your shelf.
>>730621082Why would I want to open a file manager? It's a console you dumb monkey.
>>730595881>trannyfrog
>>730620519Steam has extremely lenient family sharing, drm free games and the drm steam does offer is piss easy to crack.
>>730621163are you solipsistic or just retarded? do you not see the value of having all that stuff that guarantees your basic freedoms even if you're too stupid to use them?
>>730621242I don't want to share. I don't want to crack. You sound like some broke loser who has to beg for games
>>730620995Considering consoles are locked down prison systems where you have no control and the corporation holds all the cards, yes.
>>730621020But there have always been PC exclusives, it's just that those weren't made with the express purpose of being so. The reason why exclusives exist on consoles is to sell consoles. The PC gaming market is now seemingly bigger than any one console, which is why companies like Sony, who were previously completely console oriented, have started porting to PC. We're not in the 7th gen anymore
>>730621268I don't see any value of having them on a console. A console is to play games on. Press a button and a game launches. Why do you have to attribute pointless shit which a PC does to a console?
>>730618741I have been, Nintendo does their own thing, Microsoft and Sony said as much, their online service isn't the same as Sony's or Microsoft. Nintendo does Amiibos, Nintendo's hardware is nothing like Sony's or Microsoft's, Nintendo focuses on gameplay. You zoomers are stupid and have a complete lack of understanding on what type of company either Nintendo or Valve are and should just shut up about it and stick to your failing PlayStations and Xboxes since that's all you really know, anyway.>>730620872>The console market isn't shrinkingIt is shrinking, at least the PlayStation and Xbox part of it.>PC is no longer the master raceThat's true and a good thing. PC graphicfags deserve the bullet.
>>730588098Unironically Pay-For online play on consoles and the PS360 being unreliable pieces of shit.That generation was the last time I played consoles seriously. Moved to PC and never looked back. Many others did the same over the course of the PS4 generation. It's part of the reason Gay Ben is making the "Machine" re-release/updated attempt.
>>730621298Whatever you say, corpocattle
>>730621358Yeah? Ok. Now play games without an operating system on a PC. Oh wait. Your PC is also tied down.
>>730621381An obvious advantage is the modding scene of some games
>>730621381you might be too stupid to comprehend those functions but they're precisely why digital on pc is fine and on console it's signing away all your freedom
>>730621439>I have a PC because I can't afford to buy gamesYes. PC is the third world platform for all you broke losers
>>730593149Helldivers 2 is Sony's fastest selling game ever, and the only reason it holds that crown is because it launched day one on Steam, outselling the PS5 version. There's no going back.
>>730620045They're already almost entirely digital right now.
>>730621450I don't want to mod games.
>>730621368It's so big, so successful, yet it can't hold onto its recent exclusives and even its old exclusives are getting ported. Huh.
>>730621443to what OS? linux is continuously making big gains and it's free
>>730621525Okay. That's still a big draw for some people
Nintendo wonSony lostValve lostMicrosoft lostEric lost
>>730621465But we've already established that your PC isn't very good. So who cares if you can jump into a file manager when your games are shit?
>>730621585>troonixfuck off lol
>>730620928>losing $500-$1000 per unit isn't normalDidn't say it was, illiterate faggot
>>730621595>who cares if i can't guarantee that i'll be able to play games older than 5 years because i've irreversibly signed my rights away
>>730588098>kohacka said it so it must be truehundred line flopped
>>730621689you're now arguing about things which haven't happened.
>>730621628let me guessbrown?
>>730621112Not interested in doing that for obvious reasons
>>730621551Why wouldn't someone who doesn't sell a console want to port to consoles? We all know there are people who mostly/only play on consoles
>>730621628Aryanix is based
>>730621796>you must be brown you must be a troon
>>730607763I should've refunded this, but was lazy I guess.
>>730621358Cool, so it's cheaper, AND secure from hackers in my games? Exactly what I want, thanks.
>>730621674>$500 - $1000 cheaper than a PC of the same performance.they're sure as fuck not gambling on giving you that much of a fucking rebatedo you think they'll just give it away to you?no, they want that money backand it'll be back through game sales and subscriptions
>>730621845Only white people are troons yes
>>730621382I grew up with Nintendo since the NES and Gameboy. They follow trends same as anyone else, especially now that Gunpei and Iwata are dead. The difference between you and me is that they've simply already disappointed me enough for me to go full PC. You're in limbo, but that just means it's inevitable for you too.
>>730621586It's a worthless draw and I have a PC.
>>730621845https://unlocked.microsoft.com/pride/you can't win this issue by trannycoating retard, at best it's a draw
>Buy shit PC>Larp on /v/ that it's top line>Has to pirate games as can't afford them>Has to go into files because games don't work >Has to hate console because insecure >Will never be able to afford an upgradeIs this about right?
>>730621974Post an image of it this year
>>730621748>how can you know it will happen?because nintendo already makes you pay to upgrade your games to the switch 2 version
>>730621910>do you think they'll just give it away to you?Yes they'll give me a console for $600 that outperforms a $1500 PC and it's always been this way.
>>730621973>It's a worthlessYes, we've already established it isn't a draw for you personally
>>730622018did you short circuit? click any of those links and it'll say it's from 2025
You can tell the people who have junk computers because they don't care what shit they install on it. All the torrent downloads and cracks lol
We need a separate board for consoles and PC
>>730622208Do you think I click random links on here?
>>730622281What about people with both?
>>730622091>always been this wayare you a fetus? the ps4 pro's gpu was handily beaten by an rx 480, a $230 gpu
>>730622267That's most people on 4chan
>>730622387Yes. 4chan is an indian board
>>730622298just admit that you were wrong, there's no winning on the tranny frontlinux still mogs
>>730622461Indians just keep winning
>>730622508wrong about what? that you're a tranny?
>>730622524India is most powerful nation on Earth!
>>730622543that your sole rebuttal to this was hinging on a tranny accusation and you lost that one
>>730622632I have no idea what you're talking about to be honest with you.
>>730622659that this post >>730621845 cannot be made without accusing yourself of being a trannyso do you have anything better?
>>730622724You called me brown and I called you a troon. You want me to what, prove I'm white? Are you going to prove you don't wear a frock?
>>730622103Correct.
>>730622841so given that microsoft still takes creddit for trannies i take it that you're a tranny?
>>730622351Now build the rest of the PC
>>730622961mate, you're fucked in the head.
>>730622971the rest of the pc didn't take $800 back then retard, especially with how weak the ps4 pro's cpu wasyou're looking at a $100 difference at most
Why do Snoys want me to buy a PS5 so badly? It's not happening. I am not letting a PS5 into my house.
>>730623003so are you a windows tranny or a mac tranny?either we're all trannies or no one is and i'll leave that choice up to you
>>730623184Not really interested in what prices were 10 years ago.
>>730588098>How did PC gaming w-ACK
>>730623342>Japan
>>730620696At the end of the day they're just PC games. If they don't port them, someone else will, and Sony won't get a taste of that.
>>730623336so? still demonstrates the fact that consoles have only become a better deal recently and it has huge asterisks next to it
>>730623342>shrinking population and economy>pc gamers also shrinkingreally gets the noggin joggin
>>730623408Heres global platform marketshare, PC has been going down since 2018
>>730621953I grew up with NES and Gameboy too which is why I know how Nintendo works. Difference between you and me is that I'm not poor like you and can afford a console and a PC but since I'm tired of both home consoles, and desktop PCs, I'm going full handheld. When it comes to handhelds I don't want no other handhelds, but ones made by Nintendo and Valve because they're either not worth it or aren't really handhelds to begin with.
>>730623525>mobile mogs bothbased phonechads
>>730623342>JapanNips only play on their phone
>>730623482>3 million Japanese PC fats died in the last 10 years and no one replaced himOk bro
>>730623454No, because PC prices aren't ever correcting. AI isn't a fad.
>>730622018Can't believe we still have ironic Microsoft shilling. This site is falling apart.
>>730623623then the console prices will rise to match the increased hardware costs you think they'll just take the greater percentage loss for your benefit forever out of some sense of altruism?
>>730623781They take a loss for their benefit since they can recoup with software sales, even ps5 sold at a loss at the start
>>730623781A PC the same power of a $600-$800 console is easily $1500 or more. I'm finished teaching you why this is. If you still don't understand this then it's on you.
>>730624127you really think they're taking a bigger loss when their average user plays old games and f2p shit?fat fucking chance
>>730623623i said shrinking economy not the fuckin holohoaxwhat is it with dicknoses and genocide
>>730624349They make money from those games plus make money from PS plus and also lots of people still buy new games. Just cause kids with no money are playing F2P games doesn't mean there arent others buying new games
>>730624349They're running with the same margins, prices just increased. You are literally retarded if you don't understand what this means.
>>730624208If you buy it from Alienware maybe.
>>730595869>they take 30% of every game's salesAlmost every store does this.
>>730624462Proud of you anon
>>730588098>nowDid they do no research? its been the main platform for decades. its only recently that there was a coordinated push for consoles because 'muh piracy'
>>730624573If you buy from any parts distributor.
>>730623547You remind me of the rare Playstation/Xbox fanboys of old. I imagine you have to fight extra hard to keep that up. You'll understand soon enough.
>>730624706If you consider third worlders as people, but i dont
>>730624849I'm not, I'm an idort, you're going to find out the hard way that high-end gaming is as dead as AAA gaming, both are never coming back because neither were ever meant to exist.
Will PC ever be affordable again?
>>730624208are you retarded? this is all it takes to beat the ps5 proand this is being generous since it doesn't need 16gb of vram with how consoles upscale from 720p
>>730625173To clarify, I meant Playstation + Xbox. You can have multiple systems and still be a fanboy based on behavior and corporate worship and vitriol. I also could not care less about high end gaming. I have a 3090 in my desktop and I still mainly play on my Deck.
>>730624531if the cost of components increases then the margins SHRINKare you this fucking dumb?>>730624525the money from new games pales in comparison to the top played f2p and old shit and for those you're not upgradingsony is even pulling back with the ps6, it'll only have 52 udna cus, about as powerful as the 9070xt and it won't even double the ps5 pro's performance
>>730625483I worship Nintendo and Valve, but I hate both Tendies and Steamies; I also hate PlayStation and Xbox and want both out of gaming forever, does that make sense?
>>730625664I know who you are, I've seen your posts a thousand times. You hate tendies and steamies because they attack each other and will attack you, but your behavior is identical. That's why I said you have to fight extra hard and it must be tiring.But the way I see it, people in limbo like you are one or two more backhands from Nintendo away from going full PC. Or at least that's how it was for me.
>>730625483Is the deck worth it now with all the ram bullshit or should I just wait
>>730625948You're probably right, I did drop Nintendo when they became gimmick happy and only came back to them when they finally dropped the act with the Switch. Also, Wii was a retarded name and that was just another reason I dropped them for a good while. Should have went with Revolution.
>>730626040Probably, but for me, I'm waiting on the Deck 2.
>>730626040'eck 2 ain't coming for a whileyou can always just sell it when that comes outor if you wait even your phone will become an 'eck with proton assuming you didn't buy apple
>>730626040No, just buy a Switch 2
>>730626251>the worst handheld of the decade that will be obsoleted by an inevitable oled rerelease
>>730626040Saying this as someone with 30 years of consoles, the Deck is the best video game system I have ever owned by far. I didn't think I'd need it because I have a good PC, but it's basically my childhood dream device. That said, there's other PC handhelds with SteamOS that might be a better fit, especially now that the cheapest LCD version is gone. Or if you want certain big games with kernel level anti-cheat you may have to put up with Windows. But generally, yes, strongly recommended, especially if you value portability at all.I've actually been typing all these posts on my Deck because I was playing Nuclear Throne and I couldn't be assed to move.
>>730595869didn't know that tim sweeney browses /v/
>>730595869>create your own website for the game>sell your game therewhere is the monopoly that prevents you from doing this?
>>730588302epic spent billions people giving free games, but an junior making 30k a year designed the store and is charged with adding features to it
>>730626356'eck is really the last place you'd want to play anticheat compslop onthe only real alternative to it is the legion go 2 but that's expensive as shiteverything else has either a shittier screen or no trackpadstheoretically the gpd win 5 is insanely powerful and will likely be better than the deck 2 since it's packing the best APU AMD has but it eats a fuckload of power and it suffers from no trackpads and no oledANUS shit is just garbage across the board too
>>730595869Looks like you upset the steamies kek
>>730595869They hated him for telling the truth
>>730626640Hey Timmy, saving your own pictures and posting them with that "different" timestamp is pretty average trolltech.
>>730626640but timmy tencent is richer than gabenwhere is that money going then?
PC has been dying for a long time
>>730592658pc never had exclusives, unless you count epic shit. exclusives are an anti consumer, console invention to hold games hostage. no one pays devs to release exclusively on PC, except epic shit. console warring retards could never grasp the concept that holding games hostage on "your" platform doesn't benefit you at all. if you like exclusives, then you're a retard and should get shot, because you are enabling those greedy practices
>>730626862>where is that money going then?Buying you free games you ungrateful fool
>>730626910>pc never had exclusivesRetarded Xbot
>>730588302That's the thing, Steam did a lot to make it work. I press one button and everything just works. There are no gotchas. I pay for convenience. Even pirating is not as convenient as Steam. I tried EGS. If you paid me $20 to play it on EGS vs I have to pay $20 to play it on Steam, I'd buy it on Steam. The experience on EGS was horrendous.And keep in mind that Steam is continuously improving their value even for devs, especially indie devs. Steam and GOG are the only storefronts that understand what value means. Ubishit, EA, Lizzard and other corporations force you to use their launchers to harvest data and as an extra DRM layer, even for singleplayer games. They hate success. EGS thinks they can just buy players into their shitty storefront.
>>730627053no one is paying big money for pc exclusivity, no one ever did
>>730627110Keep coping that Xbox is dead, by the way, Half-Life X won't come to consoles nor will it come to any PC storefront but Steam.
>>730588302their stock is funnydo you think timmy ever thought of shooting himself when he missed the big bag when it was at $1400 and now he has to watch it stagnant and slowly decaying?
>>730591781Vote with your wallet. Even if millions of retards outbid you initially, good things will prevail.
>>730626040By the time the Deck 2 comes out the RAM bullshit might be over, but it's almost certainly 2 or so years off.
>>730627279new HL wont be impressive at all. Valves game output since 2012 has been terrible, I dont why you would be hyped for their next game. A lot of Valve veterans left in like 2012-2014 and the only ones left were the devs running the store
>>730627279i'm not himpc exclusives have obviously always come from the position of the developer just not giving a shit about consolesconsoles exclusivity was always about bribes
>>730627318Every stock was like that in 2020 nimrod
>>730627450>bribes>paying developers a wage to feed their families is a bribelmao
>>730627525the developers are being paid a wage regardless, the publishers just took the money from sony/nintendo/microsoft
PC is dead
>>730627450Pretty much>>730627416Because going by leaks alone, Valve actually cares about gameplay and pushing technology forward unlike Sony, Microsoft, and all these AAA faggot developers who are more interested in making shitty movies instead of pure video games. These fuckers need to be taken down a peg, lose enough money to where they can no longer make AAA video games anymore.
>>730627650more alive than eversoon everything will be a pc
>>730621813Because consoles are dying according to r/pcmasterrace.
>>730626910Yes yes, exclusives are just horrible and no goodboi pcfag has ever wished a game wouldn't go to consoles so it wouldn't be dumbed down, you're so right pcsis.
>>730627880dumbing down isn't caused by porting to consoles, they just have the same fatherit's caused by greed and desire for more sales through appealing to casuals, by all means you can make a complex console game, they just don't want to since they're chasing the bag
>>730627647Let me try to make it simple to understand. A dev studio got a game idea and $20 million dollars but they need more money so they can make a bigger scale game like they dream of. So now they are looking for investors. They go to Sony/Nintendo/etc. They show off their game prototype and tell them the time frame it will be done and how much money they would need. Now the publisher agrees and gives them $50 million dollars in exchange for exclusivity or timed exclusivity. So the game you enjoyed that was formally exclusive was helped by the publisher who funded them. Without the investor you would have got a smaller shorter game with less features.
>>730627729This but the Switch 2
>>730627654>Valve actually cares about gameplay and pushing technology forward unlike Sony, Microsoft, and all these AAA faggot developersThis is not true as evident of their past decade of work. They have unlimited budget and time and the churm out stuff like artifact
>>730628053except that every single exclusive now is from a big studio where none of that applies
>>730627650Xbox is dead and their pivot to PC won't save them. PlayStation is dying. This is a good thing for gaming as a whole. Sony and Microsoft need to stop making hardware completely, go software-only, drop the wokeness, and Sony either needs to fix their western side or drop them and go back being fully Japanese again like they were doing the PS1-PS3 days. Microsoft needs to lose the third "A" and go back to just AA.
>>730627880Exclusives are indeed terrible, be that either a PC or console exclusive, because the consumer doesn't benefit one iota from it. It's also a contributor to the retarded console war shit, which brings in retarded retards, with their retarded insistence on waging their retarded war for retarded reasons for no benefit other than stroking the retarded ego of the retards who feel like they stand to gain some retarded victory by engaging in some retarded faction war based on the retarded hardware their retards minds decided to buy
>>730628165Look into the Half Life X leaks, you'll learn something from them about what REAL video game development looks like.
>>730628140switch 2 is a pile of cow shit with a nintendo sticker on top of it
>>730627880why would I want a shitty console port? it's true that many non exclusives were held back by shitty console hardware, but I don't see why this should be my problem. I don't care that you get your cinematic 24 fps slop, but I expect more for PC
>>730628313They had HL3 leaks since 2007, did the old ones true real yet. And the game isnt going to be top of the line cause its being designed for steambox which is weaker than ps5
>>730628374>held back by shitty console hardwarelol then explain why most pc exclusives look like shit, whats holding them back
>>730628664don't try to bait, you need triple digit IQ for that
>>730626446players not looking for games outside of steam, or if they find them saying>I'll buy it when you release it on steam
>>730628664are you struggling to understand what an artstyle is?counter strike always looked like thisyou could take both top and bottom and reduce their texture sizes to 1x1px and no one would give a shitconsole gameplay is inherently simplified due to the controller, you niggers have gyro and you still have games play themselves with aim assist
>>730628140lol
>>730628910it's easier to compete with steam than it is to compete on consoles or physically in the real world trying to sell stuff
>>730628927>looking like shit is an artstylelmao
>>730629151yes, being muted and realistic looking is part of cs's artstyle
>>730629194>realistic lookinglmao
>>730629240just because they're raping it with skins doesn't change what the core artstyle isbottom is literally cartoonish
>>730629281Looks as realistic as a PS2 game
>>730629373so have you actually seen what cs2 looks like or are you just coping
>>730628462>its being designed for steambox which is weaker than ps5Good, also, the Steam Machine has 24GB of RAM which is more than the PS5's while having a better CPU and GPU than the PS5's so maybe you should stop looking at papers and actually look deeply into this.
>>730629435So now you're bringing up a different game than the image of CSGO we were discussing and even cs2 doesn't look realistic and is even more stylized
>>730629559Theyre going to cut down the RAM lol
>>730629568whatwere you comparing it to the deprecated version of cs to make yourself feel better?
>>730629665That image was made before you were here newfag and you deliberately saw the post and knew exactly what version of the game we were discussing, dont try to bring up other games now
>>730629634They're not
>>730629665>>730629870What are useless conversation you two have found yourselves in
>>730629870>i posted a pic that was outdated 2 years ago take it at face value hurr durryou're either retarded or expecting an insane amount of charity towards your disingenuous bait
>>730630020Youre backtracking so much its hilarious. You obviously knew the discussion was about CSGO as you obviously saw the image I posted and replied directly to me as a result of you seeing that image. Why be disingenuous now?
>>730630169i assumed you wouldn't be insane enough to think using an old version of the game is a real argument you're trying to pullregardless, cs2 is actually pushing the hardware more, those pros are using state of the art shit at high polling rates and 600hz monitors while console shooters use aim assist with slow bluetooth controllers on ghosting IPS tvs
>>730630265>cs2 is actually pushing the hardware morelmao it looks like a fucking 2014 game now as opposed to a 2004 looking game like CSGO. It still looks worse than 2015 console multiplayer games
>>730630663it's pushing the hardware more because of the hardware used to play it, not because how it fucking looks you spergyou could port the consolecuck experience back to the ps2 with a crt and lose nothing while cs relies on tech advancements like high refresh rates and high end peripherals
>>730630765>tech advancements like high refresh rates and high end peripheralslmao what does that even mean, it looks like shit but thats ok cause i get tech advancement like higher frame rate We're now going away from talking about graphics and how it looks to now talking about framerate
>>730591908As if PC gaming didn't have cycles. It's only now that videogames peaked in technology that both console and pc gamers are sticking with old hardware that they consider good enough.
>>730629016>it's easier to compete with steam than it is to compete on consolesthere are three manufacturers. at least snoy and tendie will be around for a while. meanwhile on PC there has been Valve since 2003 and nobody else. 23 years of domination.>or physically in the real world trying to sell stuffnot a relevant market for video games and will never be again because digital outcompeted it with convenience. no rolling back the clock. not sure why you would bring it up in this context. it's just another thing that had no chance competing with Valve's natural monopoly over PC game sales.
