Are there any games that inspired you to make something, even if it was just to explore something you feel the game didnt handle well enough on its own? Ive been thinking of undertale yellow and how it spawned fangames of its own which is mindblowing to me, but its also endearing. Theres lots of little things from the game that I didnt like, but enough that really stuck with me that I still like discussing ideas and theories like back in the old days. Id love to hear from some anons that were inspired by it as well, or any other games that made you want to make something
>>730602813UTY's ending was dookie
>>730602813I've never played it myself, but it always ending with you dying, because no matter what canon must be maintained, or my precisely my reaction to hearing about that inspired me pretty heavily to work on my own fangame. There's a lot I have to say about that, and the best way to do it seems to be through a game
reminder that ceroba is fat
>>730603276Yeah, but it did enough things right on the way to that mess of an ending, even everything leading up to that moment that its easy to imagine how it should have gone. Enough that people are still to this day working on reworking, rewriting and reimagining that ending. I never thought a fangame of all things could create this kind of drive in people
>>730603276In fact, it was so shit that it inspired several anons to make fangames where the ending (hopefully) won't be as shit
>>730603369Thats the kind of thing im talking about. Finally trying my hand at creating something myself, and the ending of yellow gave me a feeling that I really wanted to express something. That combined with the anniversary stream and the mandate of heaven helped me recontextualize the value of making fan content
>>730602813I haven't played TS!Underswap yep, should I wait until it's complete (if it ever is) or try to play what is there currently?
>>730603828I think something people might have missed is that even if it's fun to draw edgy versions of characters, or space versions of characters, a simple reskin of Undertale might not be much more fun or interesting to play.But that doesn't mean it has to be something big, it doesn't have to be the whole world, even just one special place the person making it truly cares about has the ability to touch people's hearts.
I feel like it'd be pertinent to link something people could play, like one of the Deltarune Yellow Demos over here.
>>730604163I can definitely agree with that. The more this goes on the more I feel that even just having a few people read your work or be touched by your art, that does something good to us as people. It brings out sincerity that geta lost a lot from all the irony and bitterness
>>730604325why didn't you link it then? https://gamejolt.com/games/deltaruneyellow/981988
>>730604494based, personally Im a little retarded, when I saw the thread I thought I might link the wrong page or version since I know there's a few takes for dry
>>730602813>Are there any games that inspired you to make somethinghappens all the timei played an indie third person 3d shmup recently and liked sound design in it so much that i ended up making a few underwater abyss-themed samples from the ground upit was fun
>>730604494I lost the link to it and wanted to play it toYou've been fooled by my evil plans
>>730604787wizard of Oz dark world when?
>>730604664Thats some good shit. I'd love to try my hand at music, the way the tracks from honestly a ton of games over the years have made me feel is crazy. Im already taking up writing and hopefully drawing though so I dont want to stretch myself too thin trying to learn every cool thing at once. But still anyone who picks up music and gives it a shot is doing something amazing I feel
>>730603828I also just really liked Undertale's meta storytelling and message, and would like to take a crack at something like that, in addition to making a game about being a fangame (since Undertale is a game about being a game)
>>730605145nta, but it seems like I'm getting closer to implementing a sound engine in my game, so I can start learning to make music for it.
>>730604325>>730604494might as well link the fangames archive https://rentry.org/mtt-fangames
>>730605235Nice, I dont know if its an undertale related game or not, but I hope I get the chance to hear it for myself eventually
>>730605145ever just walk around and think of cool sounds or find rhythms in random everyday things?sound design is actually a lot easier than it looks if you have at least some basic understanding of what effects do and how sound works in general. you can totally make a few cool sounding clips right now if you'll spend an evening learning FL studio and experimenting around - no music theory experience requiredthat's basically what i did
>>730605446Growing up I played a couple instruments. Ots something id love to do, I'm just worried about detracting from other things while ive got the momentum, with a kind of "oh I want to do absolutely everything!" And end up getting none of it done. My drawing progress is already abysmal and I dont want to give myself an excuse to stop like im not going to be able to grasp it. That said, I'm probably overthinking it. I do just that and play around with it and see how it feels
>>730605365ooh, lots of videogames
>>730605781 Yeah man, you’re definitely overthinking it-everyone starts somewhere and you’re already ahead just by having the itch to create. Don’t feel like you’ve gotta master everything at once. Doodle when it feels right, mess with FL when you’re curious. Even five minutes stumbling around a DAW counts. Progress isn’t a race, and every little thing you pick up-whether visually, musically, or narratively-feeds the whole. You’re building your toolbox, not filling a quota.
>>730604787>>730604978I've got an idea, maybe its a reverse Wizard of Oz. The Wicked Witch is basically just a green human in a costume. You know who else is just an oddly colored human in a costume? Kris. So you'd play as the Witch, while Dorothy, Scarecrow, Tin Man, and The Lion would be the antagonists. With The Good Witch being the big bad. The witch is probably still evil though, but the comedic Queen kind of evil. Your party members are one of those castle guards and a flying monkey. The monkey is a coward who she's constantly bullying, while the guard is a dumbass who's constantly misinterpreting her orders, but is dedicated to the cause of evil, sort of like the TF2 soldier.The central conflict is still around the ruby slippers, with the Wicked Witch wanting them because the other Wicked Witch owed them to her for years, but there needs to be some sort of twist around the real reason she wants them.Oh and she's tsundere for Oz
>>730605365What's Anatomically Consistent Martlet?I wanted to check game bernaner but there wasn't any images.
>>730603642That reminds me, did the one anon making a 3d true lab ever finish his?
>>730606459Martlet, but her tits stay the same size throughout (big)
>>730605441> I dont know if its an undertale related gameit is
>>730606760I was sort of hoping that it'd make her a realistic bird, maybe barring the fact that girl birds are less colorful
>>730606390Yeah, you're right. I worked for many years in high pressure quota based work, and I probably let too much of that creep into how I approach "problems", so I appreciate the perspective on this. I've been doing my best to let myself enjoy the feeling of just trying to be creative.
>>730606014Well, not that many actually, SURVEY:_2 and Oldentale are just basic prototypes, and Naranja is a single fight, Deltarune Yellow is currently the only full demo
>>730607067A prototype today is just a cool videogame to be excited about tomorrow and the next day and the next day and the next day
>>730606534that was Godotanon, sadly, he cancelled his game over a year ago, he posted the full script of the game when he announced its cancellation, but I don't have a link to it
>>730606390>>730605446nta, but what if I don't intend to use a DAW for music. Do I still need to learn one just for sound design in addition to the trackers I'll be learning for music?
>>730607186>Godot anon>Dorito anon>FNF anon>Martlet Dating Sim anonso many devs that posted their stuff and never came back
>>730606459>>730606760also, she gets huge boobs when she turns Zenith
>>730607490 such is the way with these things. there virtue in trying at all but this means that not all of them will reach their end
>>730607490they're probably still here, just not posting about their (dead) projects anymore.
>>730607832>there virtue in trying at all Definitely, Godot Anon and Dorito anon inspired the creation of Naranja, so even if they can't finish their projects, their efforts can inspire others
I remember when he made the Roba huge.It was very epic
>>730602813The Beginners Guide and What Remains Of Edith Finch (specifically Lewis' segment) inspired me to no end. I ended up picking up game development and all the artsy hobbies that are tied with that as a result.
>>730608686>The Beginners GuideWhy? That game was ass.
>>730608686Never heard of the edith finch thing before myself, so I'm giving it a look. I think the artsy games get a bit too much hate on principle because of things like gone home, but at the end of the day someone getting up and putting together a little something like that is better than just doing nothing
uty/dry have forced me to draw something close to human anatomy for the first time, at least to the point that I have to worry about proportions n shit
>>730608981did you do these?
>>730608981>>730609289If you did both I like your style
>>730609289>>730609369ya I made those
>>730609404nice, they're simple but really expressive. the one of martlet driving lived rent free in my head for about a week
>>730609404you should draw more
>>730607225sound design is a huge part of the production process, so yes, you will be making progresshowever, don't expect to magically learn about proper composition techniques or rhythm theory without actually trying to compose something
>>730609404This is for you
>>730609498>>730609552>>730610559ty you're all very kind>>730610701maintaining the dalvkeeper agenda is a top priority
>>730611169I would have never considered the ship until I saw it here. in a strange way it gives Dalv more personality
>>730610559the award should be the glow in the dark star Susie gave Kris
>>730611587I'm not epic enough to know how to make a star in blender, sorry.
>>730610701>changing a lightbulb>with a screwdrivernever change, tardlet
>>730612831she did manage to build a house, perhaps she knows secret techniques
>>730612831its a magic screwdriver
>>730602813For all of the ranting I see of Yellow's pacifist ending on /v/, it's weird that I've never seen normies criticize it in the same way. Quite the opposite, in fact. Most of the reviews from them call it a 'powerful' and 'emotional' ending, when they choose to address it at all.Is there any reason why normies view the ending completely differently from /v/?
>>730613267they normally only play a game once, and the writers did make the ending tug your heart strings just rightonly if you have the autism to actually stop and think things through you notice the cracks
>>730613267its emotionally impactful, and I think a lot of people are missing the connection between "clover came from a shitty life" and "the people around him just let him die" in favor of "oh my god its so sweet and heart breaking " that points us to "why the fuck did starlo and martlet who were already putting their lives on the line for clover allow this to happen. why was ceroba the first to agree to it when her whole arc should tell her otherwise". in short, it made them feel something (which is does admittedly succeed at) so it did good in their eyes. then you have the people it sticks with a little longer who start thinking about how letting something like that happen would crush martlet minutes later, or how ceroba just failed yet another kid. These are the ones that still talk about the game to this day
>>730613267I mean it is a fairly emotionally impactful ending, and they actually did write a really compelling ending in the "True Pacifist" B ending where clover goes to fight Asgore, but some people recognize how weird it is for Clover to sacrifice themselves like that, over going and confronting Asgore, which could have probably laid out the sense of "Justice" in giving Monsterkind a chance to live on the surface.
>>730613267normies don't think too much about what they watch/play
>>730613685Like IMO I feel like if you switched the endings around, and after killing the Roba, Clover took their soul out it would make more sense, but other people have their own idea of how it should play out.
>>730613685>>730613642to add to this, think about how shades of justice changes the ending. its a thousand times better having the cast stay by his side as he dies, even if ultimately the original problem that "Martlet wouldn't fucking agree to that" is still there. making it impactful can override a lot of our reasoning when it comes to drama
>>730613850Common Sense isnt all that common, as they say
What if Martlet took and ran away with Clover's soul at the end?
>>730614331She can fly silly, why would she run?
>>730614331ran away to where?
>>730614404she forgot
>>730614496>>730614331personally I really like an idea where she tries to fight to protect clover, clover tries to give up his soul to spare her from being thrown behind bars, martlets being held back as they go to collect clovers soul, telling her this little incident will be forgotten for her "cooperation", and then she breaks free just enough to use the serum on herself, gaining the determination to use it seeing clovers despair at leaving the home given to him by martlet>If I was just a little braver>If only I was just a little stronger!>a kid like you shouldn't have to deal with all of this...>No.
it just dawned on me, at the end of pacifist when martlet talks about not being able to talk clover out of it, but in any variation of neutral, just the mere mention of living with her dissuades him immediately. I want to fucking scream
So are any of you playing any of the demos posted up here?>>730604494>>730605365
>>730615195>Killing yourself to impress your new friends because you got too invested in larping as a cowboy protagonist when you’re just a scared lonely kid
>>730615527I'm going through indecision stuck on whether to work on my own stuff or give the demo a play right now. I'm definitely going to play it but I've mostly been striking while the iron is hot lately
>>730615830Maybe you could play one of the demos after you finish what you're working on for today, as a treat.
>>730615830>whether to work on my own stuffwhat are you making?
Would you be okay with this?
>>730615954Trying to do a fic with Martlet and clover unless something else grabs me and refuses to let go.>>730615945that's fair, I'll at least get it downloaded.
>>730616128they'd create an intellect-draining vortex
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>>730616128Honestly no, I thought it was cute when I first saw it, and while papyrus is HIM, the more I thought about it I feel like they wouldn't get on like that. there's the whole "puzzle" thing but thats surface level. Martlet would be put off by papyrus ultimately in how he keeps that goofy energy nearly 24/7. with how her self confidence is, it would be almost disorienting for her.
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>>730616406this is the expression that will haunt Martlet, as she sees every ounce of pain in clovers face when he gave up his soul. how she didn't see the scared child looking for a way out and just saw "a hero"
>>730616128nahMartlet would essentially become Papyrus's babysitter.
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>>730607756
>>730616128Papyrus doesn't irradiate ugly bastard energy unlike Sans
>>730616572he irradiates autism energy instead
>>730614404How is she gonna hold the soul if she's flying?
>>730616368>>730616491Papyrus noticeably starts talking differently when you hang out at his house, especially in the Jap version. For the most part, he does put up a confident mask so that he can look cool, but his real self is more subdued and mature.
>>730616747she can hold it with her talons
What if Ceroba ate chicken wings with super hot spicy mouth burning pepper sauce (mild for non-fox folk)
>>730616791Fully aware of the risk of identifying you as someone who will sperg the hell out, you do know that Boku is a fairly immature way for a guy to refer to himself, can you not read the thing you posted?
>>730616791but even when you get closer to papyrus he doesn't stop with the "overwhelming" behavior. again he's the best of the best, the way he puts himself out there in the genocide route is amazing, but I don't think the way he is would mix well with her confidence issues. He would probably try and see her in a good light as he does frisk even when you give self depreciating responses like "I have no redeeming qualities" but I think a lot of that would fall flat to martlet. his personality comes on too strong for someone like that who would throw up barriers of self doubt more aggressively at such an approach at worst, or just frown at best as it just seems strange to her. they share the "continuous effort" aspect but I could see martlet belittling herself where her effort all turns to naught and that being magnified before someone like papyrus. She fits a kind of "papyrus" like roll in the story but I don't think they match well.
>>730617215then in her zenith form, if it was post genocide assuming flowey didn't reset (for whatever reason) she'd be too haunted by not being able to save the kid from himself, as well as not helping all of those people by acting sooner as a double whammy. She'd see her old self in papyrus goofy nature and distance herself not wanting him in the royal guard believing that people like that just cause the death of others. I think even if you have them meet in different circumstances its not plausible even still, the power of IMAGINATION is more powerful than any other force known
>>730617064Not necessarily. It can be immature, and used to denote younger characters, but it can also be used to denote politeness, formality, and purity, which is a far cry from the arrogance of ore-sama. It indicates to me that Papyrus puts up an extravagant front to impress and entertain people, but is much more polite and humble when it’s just him and Sans.
>>730616128I don't think there is a single good pairing for Martlet in the game
>>730616128I don't think Papyrus knows what sex is.
>>730616936She's going to snatch the soul, then sit down and take off her boots in front of the people she just snatched it from?
>>730617548isn't ore-sama the Japanese equivalent of the royal we? Even if Papyrus is acting less self righteous, he's still a manchild.
New year new Martlet
>>730618080It’s basically the same as calling yourself "My Esteemed Self" or "Your Majesty", and most Japanese people never use it seriously, because it’d make them look self centered or conceited.
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>>730617849papyrus absolutely knows what sex is
>>730617849He’s a grown adult. I’m pretty sure he knows.
>>730618392>He’s a grown adultsome snowdin residents aren't sure of that
Why do so many people infantilize Papyrus to the point he can’t even function as a person?
>>730618258>>730618336
>>730618369I don't think he does. He seemed pretty clueless during the date.>>730618392Physically? sure. Mentally? no.
>>730618483That’s because the skeleton bros just showed up one day.
>>730618692>He seemed pretty clueless during the date.because it was with a kid you retard
>>730618289I'd say that makes it the same as the royal we. If someone did something obnoxious and you replied with "we are not amused" while talking solely about yourself, it'd come across as pretty conceited.
>>730602813>Are there any games that inspired you to make somethingNight in the Woods hit at the right time in my life to inspire me greatly. I always liked coming of age stories and having one take place in my local area and deal with things I can relate to made it hit hard. I've started outlining a story about a handful of burnouts struggling to find their place in life while the world moved on around them. Early days and all that, but I'm happy to at least have something down.
>>730618648Sans takes him to sleep, anon.
>>730618804He didn't seem like he was faking it either.
>>730618648because Toby did it first
>>730618648He's a Manchild with a heart of gold. Thats not saying he can't even function as a person exactly, but we know a good many things about him to know that is like this. he's a sincere caring person, he refuses to kill, but he sleeps in a racecar bed, eats nothing but dino egg oatmeal, wears his super suit from a party every single day, and doesn't actually have a job because despite setting all of those traps and puzzles? he's not in the guard.
>>730618692It’s already been confirmed he plays up a bit of his childish aspects for show, and that he’s not quite like that when he’s alone or with his brother. I really don’t think he’s that mentally handicapped that he doesn’t even know what sex is.
>>730618858I hope that you keep at it anon, Night in the woods music comes up for me sometimes and it seems like something really cool
>>730618892how?
>Can't read-o missing out that ore is a fairly normal way to refer to yourself and the problem is that it's ore-sama.
>>730602813>explore something you feel the game didnt handle well enough on its own?One day I'll make my own evil gameshow host who is actually an evil gameshow host.Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me
>>730618983The important distinction is that he's playing it up, not faking it. It is real, he just purposely adds onto it around people. That "whatever people do when they date" really sounded genuine.
>>730618956>and doesn't actually have a jobhe works as a sentinel for the guard
>>730618983>and that he’s not quite like that when he’s alone or with his brother.if anything its shown when its him and his brother he's even more like that with the bedtime stories, the previously mentioned oatmeal, and while it was a scrapped version, we do have his original concept that may show some of the inspiration behind his design. He's an absolute goober down to his core
>>730619083Who was the first one?
>>730619143he's not in the guard, he's doing that stuff for free. Undyne wants no part of him actually being a guard so that he doesn't get cut up into little smiling ribbons or however she said it.
>>730618892If he’s still using Ore-sama, he’s still hamming it up to some degree. Think of it like how Sans says Oira normally, but says Ore when he drops all pretenses and gets serious in Genocide.
>>730619119>really sounded genuinehowit's fucking text
>>730619083>>730619217I'm guessing mettaton? though he does go for the kill sincerely
>>730619217Mettaton. That entire section was a lie made up by Alphys. And then he did it again with Tenna. Two times I saw a perfectly good funny setup be wasted.
>>730619235I don't speak Japanese and personally think the Japanese translation should be used as evidence in arguments, even if Toby is a weeb. It feels really power scalerish, and is ripe for abuse too, since 99% of /v/ can't fact check it.
>>730619408>though he does go for the kill sincerelyHe goes because he is a pop-star diva who wants to get out and be worshipped by humanity.That's good on it's own, but it's not the same thing.
>>730619062Ore can come off as a bit brasher and more masculine, but you’re right that it’s pretty normal, and the problem is Ore-sama, which can make characters come off like pricks that think they’re superior to everyone else when they say it. For reference, characters like Jet the Hawk from Sonic Riders use Ore-sama, and he’s well known for his arrogance.
>>730619546I was saying it like that because it wasn't enough for me to be certain thats who you meant. shot in the, well not in the dark but dim light at least.
>>730619380Even if it was written, we still use "sound" and "heard" because its dialogue. The context, the specific way it was written, and his expression made him saying it seem genuine.
Sex with Fem Clover.
>>730619494Toby is such a weeb that he might actually prefer the Japanese translation.
>>730619472But he is a TV show host, and is genuinely evil. He was just doing someone else a favor while doing his normal routine.
>>730619663Ok, but its not his native language. He originally wrote it in english for an english speaking audience, the audience that we are a part of.
its somewhat frustrating that when I type in "deltarune yellow" on gamejolt, the way the site is formatted shows me the user with some sans picture front and center, and the actual game is off to the side making it less prominent. That said Toast is the one doing the DRY from here right? if so then at least its still the top result among the games
>>730619732He also helped write the Japanese, where he was able to put in more nuances that might’ve been lost in the original.
>>730619790toast is just the guy uploading it, the actual dev wants to remain anonymous
>>730619790There's a list of them here: >>730605365
>>730619674Killing him and backtracking to talk with NPCs shows he is a lot more charitable than it seems, despite being full of himself.He is questionable but not evil to the point of genuinely trying to chop up a kid with a chainsaw to make a cake.I hopped into the "Gangster Tenna" hype train during the last WAITing period because I really wanted to see that setup played straight. And then I got rugpulled again.
The Amazing Digital Kanako
>>730619583nta, but the two characters I associate that phrase with the most are DIO and Zorori. So I get the level of ego we're talking about here.
>>730619898thats completely fair, I was reading the page and saw something about that just now but wasn't sure if I was reading that right. >>730619910thank you, sorry I was looking it up myself both to find it to download, but also because I was wondering if random people heard about it and looked it up would they find the right one first? It sounds like yes but I still think the fact that it displays users with the deltarune yellow name in the majority of the search screen is horse shit.
>>730619895That puts it in the same inadmissable evidence gabage can as the art book, streams, and twitter posts. Only the original release of the game how it was originally written counts as far as I'm concerned.
>>730620004Exactly.
>>730619617Kanako...
>>730620089If it’s from Toby’s own word, how does it not count?
>>730620445"word of god" is also garbage in my eyes. In the game, in its original version, with no touch ups or corrections is all that should ever count.
>>730620445He himself said his word after the fact isn't "more canon" or not.
>>730620407Shut up, Toby. You have enough dykeslop.
>>730620575>>730620581But it’s still in the game itself. Whether it’s after the fact or not is irrelevant. I really don’t understand why you’re both being so anal about this. Did you guys throw a fit over the console port content?
I couldn't help myself once I downloaded it. I haven't managed to write much of anything today but maybe I can take the day off tomorrow. I've been really wanting to give this a shot, but I've been fighting that feeling of "I haven't done enough today to go play this"
>>730620850>Projecting anger about not taking your personal read on something as word of god
>>730620986>he says while projecting himself
>>730620976I waited too long and there's no time available to take off tomorrow. I'm still going to finally start this.
>>730620850I don't count port content either. Especially the "trans representation" in it.
>>730619920he's charitable to monsters, but he's perfectly willing to abandon them and kill a kid to get to the surface
I’m putting together a team.
>>730621205That's still not a gameshow host trying to sadistically kill the contestants, anon.
Hell yeah
>>730621130I was never making the claim I wasn't angry.I'm angry because you're stupid and gay.Totally different than you being angry because you're stupid and gay and saying other people are mad.
>>730621489I didn't think it would get even more yee-haw than that, but here we are
>>730621196That port content still counts because it ended up being a teaser towards Deltarune with Suzy. At the end of the day, if Toby says it’s canon, it’s canon. I know this upsets you greatly, but you need to accept it.
>>730613267A lot of people are not capable of critical thought, and it's not really their fault. They might be able to see past the surface layer if they put in the effort or if someone spelled it out for them, but they won't come to new conclusions on their own.>>730618258Cute!>>730618483He reminds me of Johnny Bravo and people have made the same joke that he doesn't know what sex is.That said, one of my favorite interpretations of Papyrus is that he is putting on a show that he cannot under any circumstances stop as a way of discerning and dissuading the time traveler from killing everyone.>>730619920It does not make sense for darkners to be actually evil because they're stated to serve lightners as their guiding purpose. The King is the one person who directly goes against this and he's miserable.
>>730621491But you just did.
>>730621613I don't need to accept shit. Canon doesn't exist, in anything, it never did, and never will. Anyone who cites canon or attempts to "add to" it is a faggot.
>>730619920Toby is incapable of writing pure evil characters, Flowey is the closest he got and he still made Flowey mellow out in the alarm clock dialogue
>>730602813I keep on and off working on this idea I had to rewrite undertale without (most) of the meta-specific storylines thanks to Yellow kind of doing that in its story, I just cant decide how I want to handle the protag because on the one hand keeping him silent would be the most natural if done right, but on the other when I want him to actually confront the monsters' beliefs its really hard without saying anything. I have a rough idea of how the events should play out, just not how to handle them. I also want to make it in rpg maker so I can bare minimum have the events as actual cutscenes, but putting undertale textures in that is a bitch so im not trying that anymore right now
>>730621682Toby said Papyrus doesn’t know what sex is
>>730621682>he is putting on a show that he cannot under any circumstances stop as a way of discerning and dissuading the time traveler from killing everyone.That destroys his character and any thematic points made with him for the sake of a cool moment. The whole point of Papyrus is that he is genuinely 100% nice and 100% truthful, and is charitable and kind to a fault. Making this all an act to catch Flowey ruins all of that and only serves to prove Flowey right.
>>730621336they already made a team
>>730621694Ok. You can be wrong then, but stop sperging out over it. It’s embarrassing.
>>730621795removing the meta from Undertale feels to me like that guy trying to make an "honest deltarune" where the prophecy never gets subverted. It just defeats the purpose and removes all appeal.
I wasn't expecting the remix. something I'm always wondering is what to expect musicwise on fangames
>>730622028>its embarrassing
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>>730622047Not everyone sees the same appeal on things.To many, the appeal is the cartoony character writing and design, or the lore, and the meta stuff is just something that keeps shoving itself in front of that.
>>730622047The subversive elements are the least engaging ones to me.
>>730622249you can't have the lore without the meta elements.
>>730622324are you the honest deltarune mod guy?
>>730622338Buddy, the lore is "humans and monsters fight, monsters lose and create a society under a mountain", and then you have some time travel super power shenanigans going on. It's perfectly possible to do that without the "true nature of gaming" angle.
>>730622083just keep in mind DRY is still very WIP, some people were complaining about the battles being too repetitive here at the start so I will tweak it a bitalso keep in mind chapter 2 is still unfinished
>>730620648There's never enough HFOFA in the world.
>>730621795OH BABY TIME FOR UNDERTALE PRIME AGAIN
>>730622657you already got UT Futility, leave the rest of us alone
>>730621178>last week togetherWhat is even the plot of this?
>>730622047Havent heard of an "honest deltarune" before, so idk how close my idea is to that. What Im trying to do is simply put more focus on the conflict monsters and humans are going through, and the effects its had on the monsters with what theyve done in retaliation. In my opinion, the meta elements, specifically the fact the protag is treated as a time god who should go for the happiest ending, takes away from that and keeps you from thinking too hard about what the monsters themselves are doing.Dont get me wrong, its not a "The monsters suck and should be punished by death" rewrite, I still intend for it to have a happy ending where humans and monsters can live in peace again without more blood or dust being spilt. I just want to reach the conclusion in a different way, by having the monsters actually face what they are doing. For example, in my rewrite you dont get past Toriel by proving youre strong or capable, you do it by showing her she's only doing what the humans have done to her people by locking up the ruins. The monsters in the ruins will actually talk about how being stuck in there has affected them, how some of them lost their families a second time because they werent all together in the ruins when she ran from Asgore, how Toriel never really does anything for them because the Ruins are still in ruins, save for her own hosue and the garden the children fall in. That sort of thing>>730622773admittedly that thought did cross my mind some time after I had the idea lmao
>>730622570The humans have the power of protagonism, which itself is heavily implied to just the power of the player. That's like saying the One Ring has the power to make you invisible. It does much more than that, the invisibility is just a side effect. Determination can do anything as long as its what's needed to progress the plot.The monsters are monsters, that's why they're so weak to the protagonist. The strongest monsters are even called boss monsters.
>>730622824the only futility here is the act of waiting for this game and the whims of the artist
>>730622657There's always too much yuri in the world. One example is too much.
>>730622589 Absolutely, I'm taking it all in stride since I saw you've been actively working on it. just in the first little bit I've seen some jokes that felt very appropriate for the "series" like the study all day team. the battles so far have felt like that so far, but I really liked that forest intro thing. Made me want to see what this was all about even more. I jumped right to wiggle when I saw it was an option first thing. anyways I'll try not to flood the thread but i'm going to post some screenshots as I play
>>730621795>putting undertale textures in that is a bitch so im not trying that anymore right nowthats because UT/DR uses 20x20 tilesize for some reason, when most games usually use a multiple of 2 like 16 or 32
>>730622969this is the game yurislop fans deserve
>>730622919God damn anon.Why is it so hard for you to accept some people are here only for the cartoony/adventurous setting?
>>730622824makes me wonder how hope is gonna be perserverant, is she gonna be lousy at her skills but just refuse to give up?
>>730622882Beats me, I just know I have a fox to go save so far
>>730623041Yeah exactly, at first I tried just filling in the gaps myself but Im not an artist at all so its very difficult to look right, and once I got to the vines in the Ruins I just gave up
>>730622919I’d really appreciate it if you’d refrain from comparing Toby’s subversive slop to the most influential fantasy books of the 20th Century.
>>730622657Most confirmed relationships in UTDR are all lesbians, we gotta balance things out here.
>>730622657Yuri will always be garbage.
>>730622915You're already better than that other guy, because he just got really combative when questioned about it and had a 150 post long argument about how Toby was evilAnyways, your idea seems cool, and I guess it could work as a side peice, but it only really works in the context of having already known the meta story to want to know what it would be like to be played straight. And even then I don't think you can completely strip out the meta elements without gutting the setting. Even if they only exist in the background, they still have to be there.
>>730602813I still cant believe I didnt catch this in my first neutral playthrough and think "man what if Clover had experienced a lot more runs before?" . His mental got so royally fucked by the time the in-game events actually happened, no wonder in one ending he kills himself, in another he loses all will to continue with his mission, in another lashes out and kills everyone in a fit of anger (which he most likely will come to regret later), and in another one he barely puts up a fight againt the King and just freaks out at the sight of the five souls.A lot of people complain that the themes of Justice aren't that well explored in the game, but I heavily, heavily disagree. It's just that his soul trait has been diluted by constant fear and self-doubt, and it's obvious. Not even Flowey giving him back the missing poster in the neutral run was enough for him to reconsider meeting w Martlet.
>>730623297hey to be fair there was another person me that was talking about the idea of making a game in the universe that had absolutely no meta elements since it was from the perspective of in universe characters. if that was you, I ultimately agree that it would probably be best not to go that route, but the thread 404'd right at the end of that discussion. it was happening alongside the guy that was crazy about how toby was evil.
>>730623297>because he just got really combative when questioned about it and had a 150 post long argument about how Toby was evilNot the anon you were talking to, but as the anon who was actually involved in that argument with that guy you mentioned, do you think that guy's actually making that mod for real, or was it all bullshit like some other anon said?
>>730623105because the cartoons are more meta than that Looney Tunes short where Daffy gets in a fight with the animator, and the adventures all involve breaking the fourth wall and dealing with game mechanics directly.
>>730623359Clover never cared about Justice at all, and never learns to. It’s a terrible trait to give your protagonist who’s supposed to embody Justice.
>>730623147I remember seeing some discussion where yall were saying this kanako has an issue with acting alone or not having others there to be a part of decisions or something. if I understood right then I can see how thats set up all the way back with how she was waiting on cole in the start, or her reaction at the start of this scene
>>730602813>unofficial spinoff of an already crappy overrated game>inspireIf you were inspired by troontale Piss yellow, let me tell you about this wall I painted today, Watching the paint dry will fucking make you want to cure cancer for sure....
>>730623514I wouldn't exactly say that. he's a kid looking for a purpose, something to give his shitty life meaning and to give him a place in the world. Justice is the easiest answer as it aligns with his soul, but when something else gives him what he's always wanted, a place to rest, he folds instantly. unfortunately in one ending that place to rest is fucking killing himself
>>730623436I have no clue. He could be a schizo and is 100% genuine in all the shit he was spouting. If so, I hope he gets medicated so he doesn't end up like the Ruza dev and destroys his own project after the crazy molecules in his head align in a different direction.
I live, AGAIN!
>>730623579I exist under the mandate of heaven, unlike you. your words have no meaning.
>>730603276i dunno, genoslide had a pretty good ending all things considered
>>730623437Do you think that or a newgrounds animation about how Mario's mushrooms are actually drugs are the same kind of "meta" as "I've apeased everyone. I've killed everyone"?
>>730623630Killing himself makes him complicit in (from his perspective) a plan to genocide humanity. Where’s the Justice in that? How does that give his life purpose or meaning?
>>730623639I don't doubt that he genuinely believes all the crazy bullshit he was talking about, I just mainly doubt that he was actually making a mod, especially when he said he was working with "likeminded people". Really, even the mod screenshots didn't look that impressive, ultimately boiling down to some minor text changes and sprite replacements, with what I'm pretty sure were other people's sprites. Like, I guess it's not out of the question that he's actually making a mod for his delusions, but it definitely doesn't look like a very good one.
>>730623297>And even then I don't think you can completely strip out the meta elements without gutting the setting. Even if they only exist in the background, they still have to be there.Yeah Ive been chipping away at that issue, I know I cant get rid of ALL of it or else a lot wouldnt make sense. DETERMINATION still exists, but Im not treating it like video game saving and loading, it's just "The thing that makes humans so strong" and "The resource that allows a SOUL to remain long after a person's death"I actually cut Flowey entirely for now because of that, this rewrite cant use someone who calls out previous runs, and really doesnt need an objectively evil bad guy to fight because that's not the point. If he showed up he'd ruin the idea I have for the new final boss. So the flower experiment still happened, but Im saying that Toriel and Asgore properly gathered up all of Asriel's dust so none of it was on the flower this time. But even with that, there's still the issue of Sans. I have no clue what to do with his slight meta knowledge, and the gags that involve him abusing game design (like being in two places at once but only offscreen).
>>730623421>if that was you,it was
>>730623807No. I don't think Mario doing drugs in meta at all, that's just parody.
>>730623551ah that would be my iteration of kanako, for DRY2.we have two DRY anons here.
>>730623514He really did, he did want to save the five missing children, Flowey uses it as a way to control him in all routes, and openly mocks him in Neutral by saying "all those poor children you COULDN'T save!" . He certainly is capable of building resolve, but he is still just a kid play acting as a hero, and it shows. His naivety cost him in neutral, by trusting Flowey, and in pacifist, by trusting Ceroba, who even called him out that "What, you'd think you'd jump out here and find them? " He was like a child going in the forest hoping to fight off monsters and saving those in need, encountering a pack of hungry wolves. I find it so fascinating in UTY's narrative that they show that while Clover is the soul of justice and can be capable of having a strong moral compass, he is still just a child who craves love (by staying with Toriel and choosing Martlet when he starts self doubting himself in neutral), who can lash out at even the innocent for an idea which he believes in (genocide), and who ultimately kills the one person who he views responsible for the failure to save the fellow humans, himself.I love this character so much, I know most people don't see it that way and just wash him down to being another boring silent protag, but he is so much more than that to me, and I would have never expected to love him as much as I do, considering I waited for the game all these years and had my own ideas for what the justice soul could be.
>>730623579my favorite one of these is the one where a Kim Jong Un impersonator is getting ice cream, and he pulls out the big red button
>>730624094If he’s willing to throw it away for Toriel of all people, he really doesn’t care.
>>730623842i again have no clue. You never know with schizos.
>>730623808He views it that with the humans being already dead, the barrier will be broken off eventually no matter what, and there are people who he met who do deserve to be free. Killing Asgore and taking the souls won't really change anything, it would just make things worse, even Martlet so says it "It's about our freedom, isn't it?" Those kids are dead, and in his mind he doesn't deserve to live a happy life there, knowing another human would have to die in his place. And hiding out isn't an option either, since he wouldn't want to put his friends through that stress.
>>730623852Sans's meta knowledge is more than slight. He probably has more than Flowey.
>>730624391Okay, but he still supported the human genocide by giving up his soul, Clover doesn't even know Asgore personally to tell that he won't go with his plan
>>730624424NTA, but you could pretty easily explain away Sans' "meta-knowledge" by just making it non-meta. Strictly speaking, none of what he says in normal UT actually relies on meta-narrative stuff to begin with, there just needs to be an in-universe concept of time-travel and multiverse theory and everything's all good. In fact, a lot of what he talks about with other timelines actually doesn't make sense from a purely meta perspective, since the files for UT don't actually keep track of choices you made in previous runs outside of specific things like whether or not you sold your soul to Chara at the end of a genocide route, so Sans knowing about the behavior and details of other timelines in the way he does doesn't actually make sense if you're going at it from the perspective of it being "meta-knowledge".
>>730624772remember sans is working with someone to monitor distortions in time and space, he says such as one of his first lines in his geno fight. sans has meta awareness in the sense he knows "multiple timelines" exist, and knows how to read people's faces well (in this case, frisk's, which is how he can tell how frisk has seen stuff before or not)
>>730624006It's meta because it is applying real world logic into a video game setting. Like QC telling you she won't buy your crap.This, or Daffy fighting with the animator is using the meta for comedy. Undertale uses meta for drama and actually questioning the medium. It's not the same thing.
>>730624342Fair enough. I guess at least we'll know if he rears his head again sometime soon.
>>730624059I would love to keep track of that one as well, does it have a page or is it solely being handled through here? the one I'm playing right now, thats DRY1 right?
i wanted to reply to the op but then i read some of the replies and saw it's just a disingenuous /vg/ thread on the wrong board
>>730624881That's not really "meta-knowledge" so much as it's just *more* knowledge than the average person living in the same world as Sans. "Meta-knowledge" is more stuff like being actively aware of the fact that you're in a piece of fictional media and making references to the audience and such, which Sans does actively do a few times, but it's by no means as present as all the timeline stuff.
>>730624881Sans straight up calls you a "time traveler" and multiple timelines. He doesn't mention game mechanics like Flowey saying "save point".This proves both>1. The lore mostly works without the gaming angle>2. Sans isn't completely aware of what's going on. There is a lot of guessing from his part.
>>730623928for the record, I still think a "pure by the books" rpg in that world would be interesting just because its an interesting world that essentially has those kind of rules. Played straight not for the sake of "oh my trick tony I hate you" but just from the angle of a side character doing their best to be a main character in their own life. I think it would make for an interesting story but ultimately I don't think the time and effort should be made to make it a fully fledged fangame
>>730624772rewriter here, I dont want there to be time travel at all in this is the thing. The protag doesnt have the ability to rewind time to a previous save, or bring knowledge from another run in a way that can be acknowledged as a "how the hell do you know that" beat. He's just a kid who fell and has to deal with the monsters who need his soul to get out themselves. In his, sans', and everyone's pov, this should be the only timeline that exists concretely
>>730625028the one with a release is DRY1 yeahim comedically lazy, so nothing playable here yet.i do have a GJ page setup but i just post updates in these threads for now.
>>730624094clover and martlet I feel like are the most well explored characters in the games though I will awlays hold to the fact that Martlet would not let him kill himself in the end like she did even if he had to sneak off to do it (and im not actually sure he would since he folds to her in neutral). I know flowey is a problem but most of the characters aren't aware of that problem.
>>730625228>I dont want there to be time travel at all in this is the thing.Okay, well now you're just completely gutting the story at that point. You can tell a good UT story without the meta stuff, but taking out the time travel just completely hollows it out, it's like half of what makes UT an interesting world to begin with, without that it just turns into the kind of world you'd see a shitty isekai anime based around.
>>730625303gotcha, I'll keep an eye out for that as well. laziness or not I look forward to whatever you may put out down the line
>>730625201It’s basically confirmed that he can only tell things happened because of the faces Frisk makes.
>>730602813Would you believe me if I said it was a fucking touhou shit post fan game that caused it for me?
>>730619920If you think there's gonna be a genuinely evil character in a Toby Fox game at this point you're just fucking stupid.This also applies to the people who think Friend is the evil tail of hell who raped and killed Dess and traumatized Kris and is going to be the super secret evil boss or something. No it won't. There's no character like that. There won't be. The most you'll get is mindless beasts like the Titans.
>>730625048There is nothing disingenuous about it, i have been readinf and replying to the people who posted non yellow inspirations, and I didnt hide that yellow was inspiring to me in the OP at all. Did you just fail to read my entire post or are you still wrapped up in that bitter irony poisoning pretending this video game discussion doesnt belong here?
>>730625420Respectfully, you just dont see the appeal that I do in the story without it. I think you can absolutely tell an interesting story with what Undertale has provided without needing to resort to time travel and meta elements. I understand that is the appeal to most people and not what I see though, but that's exactly why Im writing it, because not many others will.
>>730625370>and im not actually sure he would since he folds to her in neutralNTA, but I feel like that just doesn't make any sense given the amount of time Clover and Martlet actually spend together in any given neutral route.
when playing yellow for the first time, I remember being dissapointed that the talk option didn't work in the majority of the rooms. I will for the record be trying it on every room though I understand if its not papyrus level "phone calls working back to the start of the game"
a bunch of fur shit inspired a bunch of other fur shit, a big waste all considered
>>730625821someone brought this up in another thread, but normal monsters carry deja vu from resets, so a human with human determination even if its not enough to remember resets fully, is absolutely going to carry some of that same thing, like when undyne carries memories she doesn't understand of missing being friends with frisk. I think since we know even before we control clover that flowey has done an unknown number of runs that that one day they spent together on any other route feels like they've known eachother for much longer than that.in the image it also says its forced but martlet is the only monster that attempts to give them mercy and doesn't approach every encounter with the same single minded approach every other monster does. beyond that, even if we had nothing else to go off of, Martlet offering him the one thing he's only wanted on a near complete aborted genocide, why wouldn't that be a big deal to him.
>>730625561shitposts can be some of the most motivating posts
>>730625576King was the guy who tried to kill his own son for 3 years before the game backtracked that.Spamton was also a massive jerk, even if he repents on the normal route.I took the bait and switch from King as a warning Deltarune wasn't going to be like Undertale.That ended up being true, but not in the way I wanted/expected.
>>730625561touhou fans are autistic pedos so I can believe this
>>730624391that's all stuff he can talk about in therapy considering no sane adult would let a child decide to commit suicide, much less three
>>730625561Its honestly surprising how much effort goes into touhou fangames. Especially going by the state of the threads here
>>730624772Undertale seems to treat FUN and fun value combinations as their own universes, so every reset would be you switching universes.
>>730626229>>730626279I guess minus the actually doing it part I jsut autisticly obsess over some secret content from it that I find cool as fuck but really lacking
>>730626361its never too late to draw or write something. Learning to kill the internal cringe cop that stops you from acting is the first step
>>730624881a lot of Sans's meta knowledge knowledge is how he's aware of the mechanics of the universe and exploits or abuses them. His fight is basically nothing but him cheating using exploits to beat you.
>>730626416It's more so out of laziness and that I fucking suck ass outside of coding
>>730624919That may be metacommentary, but its not metanarrative. When I say meta I mean metanarrative. A perfectly straight and by the book story can have loads of metacommentary, without ever once breaking the fourth wall. Metanarrative is the act of breaking the fourth wall.The Daffy skit is metanarrative because the narrative of the skit is about breaking the fourth wall.
>>730626495toby sucks ass at everything but music and ZUN also barely wrote anything, don't be discouraged
>>730626495the first step to being good is starting, but still no pressure. I'm just saying if that inspiration ever makes you want to create in any way then you should give it a shot, even if its just making the mother of all theories.
>>730625048most of the people here are gamedevs, feel free to post whatever you're working on even if it has nothing to do with UT. That is, assuming your post isn't a disingenuous shitpost.
>>730626561I guess if it counts I did commission fanart of her
>>730626531It's all meta, and the emotions they cause is what matter.The daffy skit is comedy, Flowey talking about how you became him is drama and deconstruction.
>>730626609its something anon, and maybe someday you'll want to doodle something yourself, just don't let the part of you that cringes ever stop you if you decide at some point to give that a shot.
>>730625210I see the appeal of that premise, but I think it would work better with the meta element. The side character being a side character, and desperately fighting against that, despite the narrative pushing him to the sidelines and nerfing him at every turn for the sake of the protagonist.
>>730626085>Martlet offering him the one thing he's only wanted on a near complete aborted genocide, why wouldn't that be a big deal to him.It feels forced because the difference between Martlet trying to offer Clover a better life and Martlet trying her hardest to kill them is a single monster's death, that's why. UT handled this in a fairly smart way, with the reason Sans doesn't fight you in most routes even when he acknowledges that you're a terrible person who's done terrible things is because he knows he can't actually stop you with violence, and because he knows it can all just be reset anyway. He only fights you in the genocide route because that's the one route with irreversible consequences, namely that completing it transfers control of the world over to Chara.In order to complete the genocide route in UTY, you need to kill about 80 monsters in total, not counting boss fights or cutscene kills, but if you miss a single monster at any point, the route's aborted and you're just doing a murder-heavy neutral route instead. So, why exactly does Martlet draw the line at 79 kills to 80? Why is the difference between her trying to get through to Clover and offer them a better life a single dead monster?There is no in-universe reason, it's just something the devs made because they wanted to establish some kind of connection between Clover and Martlet in every route, despite there not actually being a valid reason for them to have any real connection in 99% of cases.Same shit with Clover apparently bawling their eyes out over Flowey killing someone they knew for a grand total of like five minutes and who they only ever tried to kill to begin with, it's just forced.
>>730625561which one?
>>730625512That seems more like something he's saying to fuck with you.
>>730626731perhaps you're right. At the very least, I would like the meta elements to not be as self aware in a story from this angle since its explicitly not the protagonist. some amount of the "main character" knowing these things as simple facts of the universe but I'm having a hard time wording that I guess.
>>730626884Gensokyo Odyssey I don't really recommend someone playing it though
>>730626938meta narratives are played out my man
>>730625576Spamton is genuinely evil. He wasn't so bad once, but he is certainly evil now.
>>730626737>So, why exactly does Martlet draw the line at 79 kills to 80?Martlet doesn't draw any line, it's Clover who changes his attitude when he reaches there.
>>730625848It works in every room in DRY as far as I can remember
>>730626737>>730627018there's a certain element of martlets self doubt and her convictions at play here too though. she's holding onto hope until the last moment when she knows for an absolute fact otherwise, that maybe just maybe since you're a kid you shouldn't have to deal with this all in the first place and you could learn to be better away from all of this violence. believing that you "could be worse" leads her to lean on her convictions at that final moment and try to offer you a better future. but in genocide she even says it, that any trace of a good person in clover was dead at that point. its only "forced" because you're ignoring context we are given as she tries to convince clover to stop before that and we get the flashback that paints out her reasoning for us
>>730602813>Are there any games that inspired you to make somethingGurumin inspired me to make this. Hope that by the end of summer I can reach about 150-ish pages
>>730627018She's the one who decides to whip out the syringe, and for that matter, why is a single monster kill the line where Clover completely flips then?None of it makes any sense, there's no reason for either of these characters to have the connections to each other that they have given the amount of time they spend together. UT already had Frisk befriending the main cast pretty quickly, but at least it didn't pretend like Frisk had some special connection with one character over any other, other than if you decide to stay with Toriel at the end of pacifist, UTY acts like Clover and Martlet had some kind of inseparable bond, despite the fact that they know each other for like five minutes in any given route, even pacifist.
>>730626668The Daffy skit, and most Loony Tunes for that matter is deconstruction. Its just deconstruction played for laughs instead done seriously.Also the difference between metanarrative and metacommentary is very important. Robocop has a lot of metacommentary about action movies and mindless violence in them, but it never breaks the fourth wall once.
>>730626934It really isn’t.
Daily reminder that Martlet, and any other design/work by the spriter for UTY, is getting retroactively removed/reworked.This is what happens when you kneel to trannies.
>>730626938I think the story should be self aware, painfully self aware, at the expense of the side character. Everybody's in on the joke except him.
>>730627383Chara being a creepy bastard doesn't disprove Sans being a tricky bastard.
is this the thread
>>730627398Martlet isn't being Trotsky'd you stooge, they're just redoing some of her sprites.
>>730627426yeah I'd give something like that a read. I just at the very least want that "main character" side character to be a completely sincere expression themself engaging with the world in earnest while trying to be what they want to be.
>>730626975everything is played out. Don't let popularity of other people's stories dictate the contents of yours.
>>730627483theres a deltarune thread up if thats what you're talking about >>730626439
>>730627398it was established that martlets original design was not made by the person who was excommunicated. same goes for mooch
>>730627537>everything is played outwrong, trends come and go. meta narratives and meta commentary is a way for shit writers to spoon feed depth to an idiot audience
>>730627398>Two martletsOh boy
>>730627257Neato, ive never played gurumin but Im reading through the pages youve got out right now
>>730627257What's Gurumin, and what's this?
Feathered Mask agenda is being pushed on Reddit...
>>730627603I like that art but I do not like the pairing what the fuck. Ceroba and martlet together is high levels of "the characters were in the same room at the same time" type of shipping.
>>730627520That's the idea. He's playing like this is an honest and fair game, as opposed to a rigged thrill ride made to give the real protagonist (not him) a good time, and he looks like a dumbass to everyone who knows how things really work because of it. But his optimism, maybe even idealism refuses to let him accept reality, and instead he strives against it.
>>730627273>why is a single monster kill the line where Clover completely flips then?For the exact same reason a single monster in Hotline is the line for Sans. It's a game, it's all numbers.There are things to be criticized in UTY but this isn't really one of them.And arguably UT did worse things, given how the deja vu doesn't acknowledge many things that happen, unlike how the game was done in the demo/ruins.
>>730627571>wrong, trends come and go.And they've all been played out many times over. There is nothing new under the sun.
>>730627639NTA, but it's not even "the characters were in the same room at the same time", these two characters are primarily depicted actively disliking each other at worst and being moderately amicable at best, they have negative chemistry.
>>730627603It's an UT fangame, and UT is a yurishitter beacon. Nothing out of ordinary unfortunately.
>>730627696alright yeah, you've sold me on this angle. when I feel more confident in writing I may come back to an idea like this.
>>730617961If we use that one anon's theory (I don't have the drawing) of Martlet's shoes having little bars that the talons grip, Martlet could probably do that quickly. Maybe even kick a shoe at Ceroba to stun her for a second before running
Undertale Yellow threads gotta be one of my favorite threads on the siteIt's pretty civil and is filled with discussions in comparison to the dumpster of the rest of the board Same goes UT/DR fangame threads on /vrpg/
>>730627789I think its because I headcannon the 4 of them (yes I remembered dalv existed as I typed this) becoming friends in the years following clovers deaths because of starlo forcing himself to stand up and keep the others from turning to dust in the wake of what they did. I imagine ceroba and martlet really not liking eachother at first, but becoming at least as you said amicable over their shared failings. Actually shipping them however is fucking madness.
>>730627925its a beacon of light filled with a lot of just sincere creativity and slilk . I know when we have these occasional threads we come up with some autistic shit but its still all centered around what brought us here in the first place, god damn video games.
>>730627925Aside from me autistically disagreeing with some takes here, I agree that these threads are pretty good for what they are.
>>730627925The secret ingredient is actually playing videogames
>>730627705>For the exact same reason a single monster in Hotline is the line for Sans. It's a game, it's all numbers.I already explained that. For Sans, it's not just about the amount of monsters you've killed, it's about the actual consequences of your actions, namely the whole thing with transferring control over the world to Chara, who seems pretty content to just erase the entire world forever and leave it at that. And yes, there are implications that Sans is aware of this, on some level, based on his "you REALLY aren't going to like what happens next." and "don't say I didn't warn you." lines. Sans fighting you in the genocide route exclusively isn't him trying to kill you, it's him taking his one last chance to try and talk you down from handing the world over to someone worse than you and potentially destroying the world forever.In UTY, what exactly is the reason for the threshold being 79 kills? Why is that one last monster the straw that breaks the camel's back? It's not even like Clover's plan is to explicitly exterminate the monster race, they only travel through the back roads of the underground anyway, so anyone living in the main Ruins, Snowdin, Waterfall, Hotland, etc, is totally fine, and we know from the various neutral ending dialogues in UT that that's most of the underground's actually populated areas. So with that in mind, why does Martlet make her stand against Clover in the genocide route like that? What changed, why is 80 kills so much worse than 79?
>>730627941and to elaborate on that with starlo, I imagine him crashing into the ground hard after clovers death, but forcing himself to stand up and pull the others together, because the thought of the people clover cared about falling down from misery would tarnish the one thing that still keeps him getting out of bed most mornings.
>>730602813undertale yellow inspired me to buy a revolver. It's pretty great.
>>730627045there's a couple rooms that don't it looks like so far but I do like what there's been so far
>>730627481Then how does he know the difference between being killed one time and being killed two times? It’s all in the face, and that’s what he gauges his guesses on.
>>730627603Realistically, Martlet would despise Roba.
>>730618258>>730618336damn why can't that dude draw ceroba like this
