Without naming other characters from Dragon Ball Z games, give me a character that exudes the same confidence, attitude and aura as Vegito.
I owe you nothing, spic.
Zack fair
>>730614015Should I buy a Vegito figure? I have a lot of Dragon Ball figures but none of him.
>>730614015>DBSpic>newfag>underage buzzwordsyikes
>>730614015madara uchihaI'm still salty how dragon ball super cucked us out of an actual vegito fight just so they could sell SSB vegito merch by having him do nothing
Basically every Char clone, especially in crossover games. Every version of Char in every universe is either dead or a smug shit
>>730614015Dante from DMC
>>730614510>Every version of Char in every universe is either dead or a smug shitWhat game is he from? Asking serious since I'd like to see if I should give the game a shot
>>730614910Basically any UC Gundam game. I like Federation vs Zeon and Gihren's Greed, personally. He also shows up in basically every Super Robot Wars game.
>>730615048Nice. Thanks anon
Sonic the Hedgehoghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nx-_tpidan4
Protoman when you ignore the comics
>>730614015Dante, Vergil and Nero.
>>730614015Sanemi from Demon Slayer.
>>730614015Zell from Final Fantasy 8
>>730614015HOLD ON, LOOKA HEREPOTARA EARRINGS ON MY EARWE LIT, YEAH THIS FUSION MAKE MY ASS STRONGhttps://youtu.be/lRavzcSnS9U
>>730614015him?
>>730614015I'm watching Dragon Ball for the first time, I want to know why everyone is fucking useless except Goku? I haven't watched everything, but I watched through the Frieza/Namek series, Tournament of Power, watched a bit of Cell, and now I'm on the Android series. It's like every character is purely there to get beat up to establish the strength of the villain, just so Goku can unlock an Ultra Saiyan Purple times 10 to save the world.
>>730615737So is he called Vegelong or Oogeta?
>>730615754Did you skip all of Dragon Ball or something?
>>730615754Actually Goku's the one who's kinda useless in the Androids/Cell arc. He gets two fights in the whole thing and he doesn't win either of them.
>>730615251>>730615520>>730615373I love every single one of these characters.
>>730615754goku has a heart attack and dies, though
>>730616034
>>730615879Someone gave me an in-order list. I'm still going through it. I only watched the Cell stuff because it was posted on YouTube a few years ago.>>730615898Ah, okay. I'm not at that point then.>>730616067Th-thanks for the spoiler, bro...
>>730615754All of Z is basically "we gotta wait for Goku". And then Goku gets there and loses only for some ass pull situation to get him a dub. The only fight he actually wins is Frieza, and thats after going Super Saiyan just because.
>>730616034>>730616094
>>730615373Is the DMC HD collection with the first 3 games worth getting on Steam?
>>730616035You don't love Protoman? Wtf anon
>>730616205>Someone gave me an in-order list. I'm still going through it.You didn't answer my question. Did you skip all of Dragon Ball? The Mystical Adventure.
>>730616209And the Future timeline is what happens when everyone gets too dependent on Goku.
>>730616295I probably would but the only Mega Man games I've played are the first 3 and MM9. I've never played as Protoman, so I can't say if I like him or not.
>>730614015I love chichi
>>730616374Oh, sorry. No, I didn't even know about it, that's why I didn't answer you right.
>>730616443Motherfucker
>>730616443did this artist die? last time I checked, he went inactive around like 2010
>>730616629>Another person skipping DBWhat causes this?
>>730616270Yes, the original PC port of 3 is fucked beyond repair and emulating them runs into a lot of issues if you're not a nativeres fag.Don't bother playing 2, it's fucking trash.
>>730616710I-I didn't know! My friend didn't tell me to watch it, it's his fault.Is it good?
>>730614015
>>730616443>Chi-Chi was single for seven yearsHow much did she fuck between the Cell Saga and the Buu Saga?
>>730614015>the same confidence, attitude and aura as Vegitodonte
>>730614015Mystic Gohan is King, fuck Toriyama and all Goku retards
>>730616703not sure. I think they did some comics on milftoons like Dragonball X then disappeared. I've been enjoying thewritefiction db comics. They have great sex panels that remind me of pandorabox
>>730614015Sol Badguy.
>>730616812Thr author treated it as one series, but it's a more comedy focused and lighthearted show. By the end it becomes closer to DBZ, but precedes a lot of the power creep and cliches of Z.Find a no-filler list and give it a try
>>730617197tao pai pai solos his whole universe
I call this my can opener attack
>>730617254Sounds perfect for me, I prefer the lighthearted moments a lot more. Some of the fights are kino, but there's a LOT of long stretches of nothing. Thanks, frenI'll watch it after I finish the Android series.
>>730614015MeI'm finna coppin dat shit bruhI'm fr Vegito IRL now cuh
>>730616812Your friend is a piece of shit. DB is worth a watch. The start is different in tone but it picks up and delivers some great arcs Z can't even top.
>>730616854Who is this and what game is he from?
>>730616270Yeah it's solid. You could also go for the Switch remake since it has style switching for 3.
>>730617394Goku couldn't handle the electric floor yet rapist ogre can tank a lightning bolt
>>730616772Is DMC 2 actually bad or is it just shit on for being different/difficult?
>>730617956The fact DMC 2 was actually released is a miracle in itself. They didn't even have anything functional 6 months before that when the new director came in and salvaged this into a game that could be sold (but was still a 2/10)To give you an idea, DMC 3 - the most praised game in the series, happened because said new director really didn't want to be known as the DMC 2 guy.
>>730616270Worth it just for 3get the crimson mod
>>730617956It's just bad. DMC did set some high standards but DMC2 is just boring, and the enemy AI is lobotomized to where "Hold down shoot to win" is not an exaggeration. The new Devil Trigger system and enemy designs were cool but the game is so milquetoast you're better off ignoring it altogether.
>>730617197AIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEENO NOT THE TINY NET THAT'S A DEATH SENTENCE GOKU TASUKETTEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>730615879hopefully he didn't so he can go laugh at how quickly Tien goes from being a big deal to being a joke
>>730618267Almost like how Toriyama made Battle of Gods after the American made Dragonball movie, I assume. Either way, thanks for the heads-up. I'm going to be getting this tonight when I get back.>>730614509Same. The Vegito vs. Zamasu fight was pure bullshit save for a few moments. The retcon on Vegito was ridiculous and it's yet another reason why I can't stand Super. If they didn't have Ultra Instinct and if 17 wasn't a character, I'd have no reason to ever recommend watching Super.
>>730618842>HAHAHAHA YES! I enjoy watching you suffer scu- wait wtf is behind me..... OH SHIT NIGGA! NOOOO NOT YOU! Loxodonta africana!!! The African elephant! NO STAY AWAY! DONT STEP ON MY HAND LIKE YOU DID LAST TIME! AIIIIEEEEEEE HEEEELP ME!!!! GET THESE BIG BLACK TRUNK ASS NIGGAS OFF ME! MY ULTRA SHIT STINK CANT BEAT THIS!
>>730620078>I'd have no reason to ever recommend watching Super.Actually, maybe for the baseball episode too. Other than that though, nothing else.
>>730614015Jetstream Sam from MGSR
>>730615373>Nero>the guy that is insecure in all of DMC5>Vergil>the guy that is extremely insecure about losing to DanteI don't think you have played the games.
>>730616270Only on deep discount. It's a hackjob that only gets a pass because HD so it's serviceable, game loses lots of its visual features due to it hence one of those inferior versions. Also; it still has DMC2 in there.
>>730622010Nero has huge amounts of confidence too, it's just that he also has these "FUCK YOU DANTE I'M NOT DEADWEIGHT" scenes. I'm not sure if that disqualifies him.Vergil is disqualified because he just doesn't have Vegeto's personality. Not because he lost to Dante
>>730622187We are not talking about "about huge amounts of confidence" we are talking about never showing anything but massive confidence and both of those characters were woman level insecure in DMC5.
>>730614015Dante in dmc3,4,5
>>730622365The difference is that in Nero's case, if you take him in his right moments he fits the bill, it's just that he has other things going on at some points in the plot. Meanwhile Vergil just doesn't fit at all
>>730622187Nero is mogged by others; he's nowhere near close to Vegeto. Vergil overpowers everyone and doesn't give too much shits just like Vegeto.
>>730622443Nero honestly fits even worse. He is treated like a little kid in DMC3 by uncle dante and he acts like a bitch in DMC5. Honestly only Dante can be named from DMC. Everyone else has too many btich made moments. Vergil already at the end of DMC3 acted like an irrational woman.
>>730622865https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmW_b-DXZ-oNero is the first to actually touch Urizen and I think that counts
>>730620078ultra instinct is just a deus ex machina. the writers knew they wrote themselves into a corner by unveiling the ultimate endgame form, so now they've got to come up with bullshit reasons for why the form isn't all it's cracked up to be (higher grades, excessive strain or energy use or something, opponents can move faster than is physically dodgeable, etc.)
>>730617646it's a guy called gordeau from a fightan called "under night in birth". it also says so on the filename if you look closely
>>730622931How does that count when directly after that he has his pussy moment of "h-he called me dead weight". When you try to define someone as confident because of small moments then you could name tons of characters confident but that doesn't make sense.
he insists upon himself
>>730614015nobody
If it's only the original DBZ appearance of Vegito then no one comes even close. But if you count Super his aura was damaged a lot.
>>730622010>insecure in all of DMC5Put yourself in his shoes. Some dude ripped off your arm, took the legendary sword that gave you superpowers, opened a portal to hell with it, and then started a genocide. Then when you try to help your role model told you you're useless and then possibly died.Nero thinks he fucked everything up and Dante never bothers to correct him because he'd have to bring Vergil up to do it. But instead of moping he got on his own ass, got himself a robot arm and then went and defied the new demon king as soon as he could.I wouldn't call that insecure.
>>730623770nobody counts Super for anything. GT is more relevant these days
>>730623827I also wouldn't call that secure. I also have a feeling you are starting to argue heavily for Nero just being a character you like instead of him being confident. To make it clear, I actually think Nero's flaws make him a way better character same as Vergil. Even with Dante his few moments where he is human make him a much superior character. Vegito is cool but he would be boring if he was a regular. He only works as a very short massive power demonstration.
>>730616209Eh it's actually not that bad>vs raditz Team up with piccolo>vs nappaSolo win>vs bejitaTeam effort with gohan, krillin and even yajirobe>jeice and burterSolo win>ginyuYou can argue that the body swap isn't fair, but you can't deny that goku needed help from krillin, gohan and bejita to win>friezaSolo won started off as a team figh, bjt they never even managed to beat frieza at half strength untill goku turned super saiyan.>android 19Lost, but he literally had a heart attack so I won't count it.>cellKnew that he couldn't beat him and let Gohan fight him>majin bejitaI'll leave that up for you to decide>fat buuCould have won, but didn't because he is retarded.>super buuNeeded to fuse with bejita to beat him>kid buuTeam effort between him, bejita, fat buu, THE CHAMP and basically all of earth to beat him.So in all in all goku doesn't have that many solo wins and most of those solo wina are against henchman.Namek is the only real time where the plot basically was wait for goku to arrive to fix shit.
>>730614442Yeah he's a pretty iconic character as far as Dragon Ball is concerned. I'd go for it.
>>730624275I'm not that anon actually. I stopped arguing there >>730622931 because I think I made my point, there's that sense of wild energy that comes to my mind when I think of N5ro's trip. Now whether it fits the Vegeto analogy or not is up to you obviously.
>>730624986The argument that Nero is Vegito level confident because he was confident in a few moments just doesn't sit right with me but it's also not a point worth arguing.
>>730623218>directly after that he has his pussy moment of "h-he called me dead weight"What Anon is referring to happens during their rematch. You're thinking about the prologue fight which happens a month earlier when Nero is at his weakest and most vulnerable.When they have their rematch Nero goes through a whole city filled with corpses to fight what's likely the most powerful demon in the series, after he had beaten Dante like it's nothing. Managing to slash him actually gets Urizen pissed off and then he kicks Nero's ass again. Then SDT Dante saves him and Nero gives him attitude for it while fainting.>>730624275I mean the whole point of DMC is that being human makes you cool, instead of a bitch. It's like the anti-hype-moments-and-aura as far as properties go. Which, let's be honest here, kind of is what Vegeto is, since he's just the "best" aspects of Goku and Vegeta but doesn't really have their charm and doesn't really achieve anything in the end.So I guess in a way Nero is the anti-Vegeto if you really think about it since he only gets rewarded for being emotional and Dante always ends up deferring to him.
>>730625286Yeah Vegeto is a reach I'll give you that, because there's also a sense of looming anger.Vegeto confidence is D3nte jumping from the tower and getting eaten by the whale (like Vegeto getting turned into candy)
People always say DBZ is super generic but something like Buu arc where the protagonists could have won like 7-8 times but fucked it up every single time and the villain is mostly comic relief has never been done again.
>>730625286Anon is dumb, prease understand. He thinks moments of spunk means 100%
>>730625905Also it's the only shounen where the mc gets married and has a kid only halfwaythrough the show.It's always a boruto situation at best.Hell how many shounen mcs are there that are pushing 40?
>>730625905It happened the previous saga.>Trunks gives Goku heart medicine to save his life so he's ready for when the cyborgs attack, Goku doesn't take it until he's already suffering from a heart attack so he's out of commission and can't help with the cyborgs or Cell>everyone fumbles Gero HUGELY, he successfully gets away and activates the cyborgs, who then kill him and activate 16, Piccolo could've easily killed him if he could just chop his hand off like it was nothing>16 doesn't think to rip off Cell's tail while 17 is inside of it, when he can, and did moments ago>Cell literally only gets 18 because of almost everyone there fucking everything up, Vegeta fights Trunks to let Cell absorb 18, Krillin destroyed the remote instead of holding onto it in case they can't protect 18, Goku doesn't take 18 along with Piccolo and Tien back to the lookout and Trunks was holding back the whole time>Goku giving Cell a senzu doesn't just mean Cell it back to full strength, it means there's one less senzu and one senzu is all Gohan would've needed to heal the damage he took from saving Vegeta, though I admit they probably would've used that senzu on Trunks
>>730623905>pure delusionGT was rendered double not-canon by Daima taking SS4 and redesigning it.
>>730627246True. You see Goku's entire life from when he was a toddler to becoming a granddad. And it doesn't feel rushed despite the manga only being a third of one piece.
>>730627301>Goku doesn't take it until he's already suffering from a heart attackHe was told to use it when he suffered symptoms, which he didn't until it was too late>everyone fumbles Gero HUGELYTrue. That said it's a nice reversal of Namek where it was the opposite and our heroes were on the run>16 doesn't think to rip off Cell's tail while 17 is inside of it, when he can, and did moments agoIt happened too fast. The fumble is 17 staying there like a retard and 18 never ever running away>Goku giving Cell a senzu That one was a decent move actually since Cell was more than strong enough to kill them all even tired, he taunted him
>>730614015Gohan.
>>730615881Why is vegeta so pathetic?
>>730627301True it was there in a lighter version in Cell arc. But in Cell it has been exclusively legitimate mistakes. In Buu arc it feels like everyone was just fucking around every single time. Like the protagonists have not been really serious the entire arc.
>>730627681It's funny
for me it's goddess 21
>>730627425>He was told to use it when he suffered symptoms, which he didn't until it was too lateWhy the fuck didn't anyone think to bring the medicine with the senzu?>That one was a decent move actuallyCell shouldn't even be alive at that point, Cell owes his regeneration to Piccolo and Goku vaporized his skull. No, Frieza being able to survive as a bag of chicken nuggets was not a thing at the time.
>>730614015The earring always triggered my homophobia.
>>730614015Me in Bethesda RPGs or any RPG where they have those types of dialogue options.
>>730614015Vagino
>>730628731you're closet gay. guys can wear dangling earrings
>>730629089And also have anal sex with men
>>730614442No, get Gogeta instead.
>>730614442The fact that Vegito wasn't in the first 3 figures you bought makes you a bitch
>>730614442>>730629178what would be the best vegito figure?
>>730629124>blue tranny version
>>730629307blue GOD CHAD version you mean
>>730627681>In Buu arc it feels like everyone was just fucking around every single time.Eh, I mean, it's a little more reasonable in the Buu arc then it is in the Cell arc. Going SS3 literally shaves off Goku's time on earth, Fusion is time limited and SS3 shaves down that time and for as much as Goku says "I could have defeated Buu" the amount of bullshit regent Buu had would have made that fight last longer than he had.Gohan was the only one who truly fucked up and that's because he's always been an arrogant little shit.
>>730629307Bluegeta is best Gogeta.Plus FR Gogeta comes with black hair too and if you wanted to you could paint it yellow.
>>730614015I always thought Vegito was like Sonic.
>>730629425Come on, mate. Goku telling Goten and Trunks to defeat the big bad with fusion was peak fucking around.
>>730629548Gogeta before the super broly film was distinctively different from Vegito. Together with Future Trunks the only character in the series to not fuck around. Now they have the same personality. Boring.
>>730629613>Going SS3 literally shaves off Goku's time on earth>the amount of bullshit regen Buu had would have made that fight last longer than he had.It really wasn't, Gohan was out of the picture at the time because everyone thought he was dead and because Goku couldn't use SS3 without reducing his time he spent it more wisely by teaching a technique that can multiply power to the strongest fusion candidates at the time.
>>730629705Which is funny because they don't, Gogeta in the Broly movie is no nonsense just like he used to be, but the issue you people have is that the only thing you remember is when he came up with his name and not how he just jumped almost immediately into the fight and was one wish away from reducing Broly to atoms despite knowing that he was being used. If you put Super Gogeta up against Buu or Zamasu then those arcs would be a lot shorter.
>>730627681>>730629425>>730629613Goku's actions in the early/mid buu saga makes sense with his character development. Just like his actions in the later cell saga. He's been trying to pass the torch for a long time so showing up and defeating buu just like that ruins his entire plan because everyone once again had to rely on him instead of finding the strength in themselves to do it on their own.But toriyama waffled on the idea and the suits wanted to keep goku around because he sold merch so it came back around to goku just being the one to defeat the bad guy again which made everything he was trying to do seem retarded
>>730629829>Goku is out of the picture because of a day long time limit that gets reduced to maybe a few hours if he goes SSJ3>but the toddlers with the fusion technique that lasts 30 minutes in base form are a perfectly reasonable bet to make
>>730630080>Just like his actions in the later cell saga.Not really, the Cell arc just kind of erases his character entirely just to hand the torch to Gohan. I mean, he's not even in like 90% of it because he's in a coma.
>>730630062>Gogeta in the Broly movie is no nonsense just like he used to beNo he isn't, what are you talking about? Gogeta has access to all his power directly at the beginning where Broly is at his weakest. He could have killed him literally at any time without trouble but he let it completely escalate to test his powers. A very generic pattern.
>>730614015Escanor
>>730630231I mean, yeah it was a fine bet. Goku fought Buu for like 10 pages and he was already almost out of Earth time. Meanwhile the kids actually got strong enough to beat a much stronger Buu in a few days.
>>730630267Him not taking the medicine was just him being retarded but everything he did afterwards made sense when you look at it from the angle of Goku wanting to create someone that could defend earth in his stead if anything ever happened to him, like the heart virus without the medicine. If anything like that ever happened in the future, or if he couldn't be revived for some reason, there had to be someone capable of protecting everything he cared about.
>>730630658>Him not taking the medicine was just him being retardedNo, being retarded would've meant taking the medicine before symptoms and dying because you were supposed to take it after. What he did make sense. Except maybe not bringing it on the day of the fight but what were the fucking odds
>>730617956dmc2 literally does the exact opposite of what made the first game such a genuinely revolutionary for it's time (and still pretty good in current year) 3D action game.it's not just a lazy sequel, it's not a "bad X game but a good game", it's not dark souls 2 where it's kinda fucked up but has its own strengths. it's like a game made by aliens
>>730630540Which is all based on bad writing. Goku didn't expect SSJ3 and Gotenks was outmatched in base form. And unlike in Cell arc where there was solid writing for Goku trusting in Gohan's potential with signs of it literally starting at the saiyan arc he literally has seen Goten for the first time that day in his life and the same goes for Trunks in that age. It was complete blind trust based on nothing, purely bad writing. He didn't even have a correct understanding of the fusion technique.
>>730630658Nigga, the medicine was to be used once he got the heart attack, not before. The problem was he got the heart virus while fighting 19
>>730630231>30 minutes with characters that not only got the technique down but went SS3 in less than a year where goku took at most 7Vs>Goku who fought with Buu for about 5 minutes and reduced 20 or so hours down to 30 minutesYeah, it's extremely reasonable for him to use that time to teach them fusion.
>>730622187>it's just that he also has these "FUCK YOU DANTE I'M NOT DEADWEIGHT" scenes. nero literally was deadweight in that scene though. he was objectively weaker then dante before he lost a fucking arm and dante was getting his shit pushed in too. not being able to just accept that and spend the entire game seething about it until he sucker punches dante later is extremely insecure.
>>730630438Anon, he doesn't because the movie would be incredibly short, not because he's a joker like Vegito. In fact during the actual fight he doesn't really say anything.
>>730630773>Gotenks was outmatched in base formThey were supposed to transform before fusion. That's what Piccolo told them to do the first time they fused. They did it the second time.>It was complete blind trustHe knows how strong fusion, Goten and Trunks are. Is it that far fetched to think Goku could estimate that their fusion would make them strong enough? I don't think so.
>>730614015Dante comes to mind
>>730630939>He knows how strong fusion, Goten and Trunks areIf he knew that then he would have known that they couldn't win. They had to transform to SSJ3 to overpower Buu, something he didn't expect. Fusion in DBZ is peak bad writing, everything about it. And it forever left a black hole in the series for any threat to come because fans always legitimately think "ok they can just fuse" to solve literally all problems.
DANTE FROM THE DEVIL MAY CRY SERIES
>>730617254Original Dragonball filler is good though. For that matter Z's filler is good when it isn't interrupting the pacing of fights.
>>730630658>but everything he did afterwards made sense when you look at it from the angle of Goku wanting to create someone that could defend earth in his stead if anything ever happened to himThing is, that's not Goku's character. His character was always someone who both lives for the fight and fights until the bitter end. You see it in literally every other arc in the series, including GT, Super and Daima, just not the Cell arc. It's the only arc where he gives up.Also he's not a hero, he's never been a hero. The whole "protecting the earth" thing is him being rewritten into something else.
>>730617454Don't listen to that other anon's line about skipping filler. Original Dragonball filler is actually good and adds to the show, since it was lot more episodic in nature than Z.
>>730631095>They had to transform to SSJ3 to overpower BuuThat was Super Buu, who was much stronger than Fat Buu. They were quite confident they could take him in SS1 but unfused before that could happen. I don't see any issue here.
>>730629592I'd agree if we're talking Sonic from Genesis up to and including Sonic Adventure 2 (and Mania). I've not played many of the Sonic games other than that though, so I don't know how true that statement is for the other Sonic games.
>>730630913I mean if we include the meta reasoning like you did with >the movie would be incredibly shortThen the argument changes entirely. Because was Gogeta ever meant to be a stone cold killer like portrayed in fusion reborn or did he just come across like that because the climax of that films was written to be extremely short. In my opinion if you include meta reasoning then discussion becomes pointless.
>>730631189>he's not a hero, he's never been a heroHe's a hero. He's always been one. Not a superhero, not Superman, not Batman, but he was absolutely a hero. He fought Freeza to avenge the dead Namekians and Saiyans, not only to save his friends. He went out of his way and against his own interest to save Upa's dad, then made it quite clear he would never ally with bad guys.>It's the only arc where he gives upIt's also the only arc where he was so dedicated on his son, and heritage. There's a strong theme of fatherhood and creation in this arc. It's a really nice touch that Goku would only give up to let Gohan do what he cannot.
>>730631189>he's not a heroThat's what he is right from the start with OG Dragonball
>>730614015Vegito was made to appeal to the Sonic audience
>>730629705WutGogeta fucked around so hard the fusion ran out in GT and Nigga Shenron livedHe's been a cocky shit for a long time, maybe not as much as Vegito but still.>inb4 GT
>>730631483They literally named an ending after that lmao https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIJy5tA4DxQPeople will still cling to that Toriyama interview for some reason
>>730631212Even then he could have just fused with Piccolo who is stronger than both Goten and Trunks and they would have cleaned up Buu in no time.
>>730631605They need to be the same size actually (was retconned for Gogeta but Gogeta isn't manga canon)
>>730631656No problem since Piccolo has superior control over his limbs.
>>730614015Sam from vanquish? Dante and Vergil? Sam from metal gear rising? Etc
>>730630773>he literally has seen Goten for the first time that day in his life and the same goes for Trunks in that ageYeah and he saw them turn into Super Saiyans too while having far more control than anyone else when they first used it and Gohan was presumed dead at the time, Vegeta had also blown himself up.>It was complete blind trust based on nothing, purely bad writingIf you want to see blind trust based on nothing then look at how he treated Gohan in the Cell arc. He knows Gohan is a timid kid but instead of trying to train himself up to fight Cell he gambles on Gohan just because he had power ups here and there when he got angry and flew into a blind rage and it was never consistent either.I mean, he even came out of the chamber early instead of using that time to train himself or Gohan further. None of it makes any sense and they had to add this scene in the anime just to justify goku being so put off character. https://youtu.be/kUXwqUdWwSw
>>730631985>blind trust based on nothingIt was based on fatherhood and also desperation (pic related)Goku was literally 100% right about Gohan and what they needed to do
>>730631985If you say him trusting Goten and Trunks is good writing despite there being zero anything to establish that trust and say him believing in Gohan's potential which has been foreshadowed for ages at that point and Goku in Cell arc being literally at his peak intelligence then our ground beliefs are too different to even discuss this. We will never be able to see eye to eye in anything.
>>730616034What the fuck was toriyama thinking when he drew end of Z goku like this?
>>730632208Anime characters look weird in general with a pure side profile.
>>730631791>Sam from vanquish?Based on this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bFT9QREtyUYes. Sam from Vanquish.
Dante comes to mind.
>>730614015A Lucario that is proud of its power.
>>730631493You might be joking, but you're right. It worked on me.
>>730629307that tranny would obliterate you
>>730632116he pitted his son against a superpowerful abomination the likes of which the world has never seen, all because he had a hunch that his son had some hidden reserves of power he could probably tap into. can't you see how fucked up that is?
>>730633919Read the manga dude, Gohan himself realized what Goku was going for and had no problems with stepping into the ring.
>>730614015Jetstream Sam
>>730614015Fun character but he achieves absolutely nothing in the end.
>>730631372>He's a hero. He's always been oneNo, no he's not. You're conflating the idea of a protagonist with the idea of a hero because Goku doesn't do things because it's the right thing to do, he does it because he wants to do it.>He fought Freeza to avenge the dead Namekians and SaiyansBy the way that's the only time he ever does something like that, every other time he's just motivated purely by his friends. Even in the page you posted he's only out to revive Bora just because Upa helped him.>It's also the only arc where he was so dedicated on his son, and heritage. How can you say that while mentioning the Frieza arc, the arc where he 100% accepts that he's a saiyan?Then for Gohan you have the saiyan saga where his number one thought was saving Gohan.If he was that dedicated to Gohan in the Cell arc he would have actually trained him properly.
>>730631335The problem you're going to run into is trying to argue that he wasn't serious when fighting broly then. Even if you to be like that and not accept movie length the only time Broly got solid hits on Gogeta was the short moment when Broly transformed in the pocket dimension place before Gogeta went blue.
>>730631582You want to know what's funny about this? It's the anime making him a hero again.>People will still cling to that Toriyama interview for some reasonIt's less that and more that they read the manga.
>>730633734He is not real, he can't save you from your bullies.
>>730634051>>730631791Is Metal Gear Rising better played with a gamepad or KBM? It obviously looks like gamepad is better since it was obviously made for it, but could you get away with playing it with keyboard and mouse?
>>730632116Nigga, someone had to actually fucking die. Goku being vindicated doesn't mean it was the right decision.
>>730629307Gogeta is the only character Blue looks good on
>>730634258>The problem you're going to run into is trying to argue that he wasn't serious when fighting broly thenOk, explain why Broly was not dead in 1 second.
>>730634000>Gohan himself realized what Goku was going for and had no problems with stepping into the ring.Except he didn't, when goku put Gohan in as the next fighter Gohan was doubting himself.
>>730618842Why didn't the US army just put a bunch of harpoon traps or something? Are they stupid?
>>730634506Okay, Gogeta was trying to save him until he deemed him a lost cause and almost vaporised him. Explain why Broly only got like 3 hits in during the entire fight.
>>730634628Nta but you are reading this page wrong. Gohan is surprised at the low level Cell and Goku fought because he thinks at this point his father is stronger than him and is just holding back.
>>730625905DB is THE battle shonen. The actual manga is a masterpiece. Pace is brisk, art and panel flow is immaculate, no pages and pages of text detailing stupid fucking power systems and attacks. It's still the best battle shonen to this day.
>>730634701>Explain why Broly only got like 3 hits in during the entire fightHow did he get 3 hits in against Gogeta is the better question.>Gogeta was trying to save him until he deemed him a lost cause and almost vaporised himWhy didn't he just knock him out? Do you even realize the massive power difference between Broly and Vegeta?
>>730634721In other words he's doubting his own abilities and had to be convinced by Goku. In fact he doubts himself until right before 16 dies as you can see here where he clearly says "If" he has the power.
>>730634957The moment that anon is referring to is when Gohan talks with Cell for the first time and Gohan understands exactly what Goku is going for and explains his potential to Cell. This is the reason why Cell then releases the Cell Juniors to "help" Gohan unlock his potential. You are moving goalposts. That other anon is correct.
>>730634827>How did he get 3 hits in against Gogeta is the better questionOne happened while Gogeta was transforming and the other wS before he transformed. Have you watched the movie or are you just listening to memes and regurgitating them?>Why didn't he just knock him out? How exactly do you think that would happen? Knocking someone out usually requires catching them while their guard is down, especially in DB but broly is berserk and his power is constantly rising.>Do you even realize the massive power difference between Broly and Vegeta?Oh yeah, Broly was whooping Vegeta's ass and Goku's too which is why they had to fuse.
Who's the Tenshinhan of videogames?
>>730635170>Have you watched the movie or are you just listening to memes and regurgitating themPrimitive 4chan argument indicating you are agitated and are in a state called "I just want to win an argument". Sorry there was a misunderstanding, I just looked for discussion and am not looking for a debate so I'm not going to engage further. I don't expect you to be in a state to accept this now but I'm sure you will understand that I'm helping us both with this.
>>730616443I'd let Chichi rape me
>>730635167>The moment that anon is referring to is when Gohan talks with Cell for the first time and Gohan understands exactly what Goku is going for and explains his potential to Cell.Yes immediately after he doubts his power and had to be convinced by Goku. Also the page in my post there happens AFTER the page you're referring to.You're saying I'm moving the goalposts but the point was that Gohan doubted he had that power, that's the only point and it hasn't moved from that. Pretend to be someone else as much as you want but that's not going to change the facts.
>>730625905>>730634826Its excellent but once the cell saga hits you can tell Toriyama was running into a block to up the ante with the stakes at hand because of the already insane power creep from years of the manga running moving in, even more so with the Buu stuff. The characters were already needing to be nerfed in some way (Goku's heart virus, Vegeta's pride to let Cell become perfect etc.) to keep tension high. despite this, its still 100% essential in that genre, like how OoT is for 3d modern adventure games.
Moegods won in the end
>>730635401>Primitive 4chan argument indicating you are agitated and are in a state called "I just want to win an argument".Right...Or it could just be me referring to your actions where you erroneously claimed that Gogeta was like Vegito despite having no common character elements beyond being a fusion of Goku and Vegeta and didn't know what happened in the movie.But I suppose projecting is a way out of arguing too. I'll take that as a consession since you clearly exhausted what little knowledge you have of this series.
>>730635452The problem with the Cell arc is that it quite literally wasn't the story he wanted to write. His editor demanded change after change to the point where half of it didn't make any logical sense.That's why in the Buu arc, the power creep was toned down somewhat and the name of the game became techniques and abilities again rather than just miracle power boosts at the last moment.
>>730635604I understand how you feel exactly. Trust me dude, this doesn't matter and you will laugh about it in 20 minutes. We need to start seeing these patterns. This kind of argument is not worth it.
>>730614015Is Kakarot any good? Kinda craving for something DB related to play right now
>>730635425This is a philosophical question about belief. If he didn't believe then there was nothing to doubt. It's ultimately a surprisingly well written scene where in moment of storm his beliefs are challenged while just previously in calm he was much more certain.
>>730635772Anon, look, I get it. No one likes to be shown up in public but you have to get over it. Use this as a learning experience.
>>730635909>This is a philosophical question about beliefThere's nothing philosophical about it, you can see that he doesn't believe he has the power right here >>730634957If he believed he had the power he would have said something along the lines of>come on, why can't I get angry like I did back then, I know I have that power so... Instead of saying>if i really have power like they said I doBecause that's not him believing he has power, that's him saying "I'm not sure I do but everyone else thinks I do"
>>730635924I am going to keep the thread open. Just cool off, we can have a laugh about this later. The programming can be definitely broken.
>>730635747>His editor demanded change after change to the point where half of it didn't make any logical sense.The Androids getting written out to the backseat hastily and thrown to the wayside to see Cell just take the spotlight, then seeing seeing him make up the "cell games" on spot there was kind of funny, I could tell they wanted more tournament shenanigans and he was like "fine, here"
>>730635772I like how you got so btfo'd that you just had to completely pivot into failing to highroad him after you tried to pull a "u mad".Man, why even continue to post after that?
>>730636540Even if this was the case I would have saved him and me tons of time. I don't even get what the point of debate without goodwill even is. Maybe someone can explain the purpose and motivation.
>>730631525We're talking about canon DragonBall. So Dragon Ball, DBZ, Super and Daima. Not the spic-show.
>>730635903I don't know, but from what I heard it wasn't bad. I'm more interested in what happened with Sparking Zero. That toonami themed trailer they did for it almost sold me the game by itself, but it's a shame it apparently wasn't as good as it could have been.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOkd6pXHtYY
>>730636669>I don't even get what the point of debate without goodwill even is.You know you're saying this as the one who tried to pull the "u mad" card, right?You could have just admitted you were wrong and stopped instead you threw a temper tantrum and won't stop.
>>730614015This guy. Nothing but cocky and confident through the entire game. Dad and his crew captured by the evil empire that carpet bombed your island with several massive warships? No sweat, dive right into the center of their public execution to rescue them.
>>730636783Oh yeah, the person samefagging totally won and doesn't have a mental breakdown.
>>730636118>Just cool off,Ironic coming from the person who said he was going to leave but didn't.
>>730635357>awesome tien editMiles McKenzie from Metroid Prime 4.
>>730627403And how many people are talking about Daima now?
>>730636958>the person samefagging totally wonIs your life really so pathetic that you see conversations as something you have to win? By the way, you might want to learn what samefagging means.
>>730617646Gordeau. Super laid back dude with a scythe.https://streamable.com/wapsoc
>>730627735This whole segment always felt like self-parody to me, from Gotenk's convoluted ghost attack to the very meta joke about him pulling out the "Ultimate Ultimate move" when his energy seems spent. Sending two children fused together out because all the other fighters whiffed it and let things get this bad in the first place? Even Gotenks himself feels like a joke about the kind of asspulls Toriyama had to make when he let the stakes get super high.
>>730637256Well I have clearly won so not sure what the loser is crying about.>By the way, you might want to learn what samefagging meansYou might just want to stop samefagging. It's really number 1 most pathetic thing you can do on here.
>>730637304I keep forgetting fighting games have character storylines.
>>730637428Nigga, even if it was a contest you gave up when you stopped arguing your point. You lost.Now you're just shitting your pants and it's hilarious.>It's really number 1 most pathetic thing you can do on here.Yeah, even if I were samefagging I can see something several rungs higher on that ladder.
>>730637309>This whole segment always felt like self-parody to meIt was. That entire fight was a parody with Gotenks knowing he was in a shonen manga. Buu itself was a pseudo-parody with that particular fight taking off the mask.
>>730637532You didn't argue my point but just made irrelevant comebacks, hence I already have won. Your point was retarded to begin with. Imagine even remotely implying the modern dragon ball writers would have understood Gogeta's character in Future Reborn. You must be genuinely retarded, mate. No offense.
>>730616209All the Z parts, Toriyama is constantly trying to get rid of Goku to develop other characters. He always find excuses to make him out during a long time. During Buu's arc he doesn't really win by only himself, but he is still the final fighter.All of DBS events totally forget to proceed like that, Goku is always on the screen and that is one of the reasons why everybody hate it.
>>730624532thanks bro>>730629124i have the gogeta sh figuarts right next to me actually!>>730629178lol the first dbz figures i ever got were from burger king toys in like 2003 and there weren't any vegito when i started collecting back then>>730629296i'm wondering that too!
>>730629307>>730637747after reading all that:
>>730632208>>730632425i'm always tempted to edit this a bit to fix what i think the problems are so he doesn't look terrifying but i never do
>>730637747>implying the modern dragon ball writers would have understood Gogeta's character in Future RebornYeah I'd say Tori knows his character more than Takao Koyama.That's why Gogeta actually has more lines and a good fight scene.
