They're all the same game so I guess I'll just go by setting and protag likability and that winner goes to nine sols so far.

The big 4 are
>SotN
The godfather of all metroidvanias, the one game every good metroidvania takes as a base but hardly ever comes close to reach its glory, you must play it out of respect.
>Ender Lilies
A new classic and a worthy spiritual successor of SotN, beautifully crafted.
>Rabi-Ribi
The gameplay above all else with this one, it can adapt to any player from the most casual to the most masochistic hardcore and give them what they are looking for: FUN
>Nine Sols
Perfectly balanced, the game sets an impossibly high bar for new metroidvanias, good story, good combat, good exploration, good music.

>>730629498
What game?

>>730629498
La-Mulana. Anyone who says otherwise is wrong.

>>730629498
My favorite is probably Blasphemous.
Shame they fucking butchered the sequel to be "accessible"

la mulana is the only good one

How come there has been a castlevania metroidvania but not a metroid metroidvania

>>730632165
This.
Super Metroid set the foundation, SotN was a good iteration of it, but La-Mulana took the genre to its extreme. No other game has ever been as daring as that fucking monument.

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>tried Gato Roboto
>linear and god awful artstyle
>tried Shadow Complex
>boring as sin
personally I'm taking a break from the genre
>>730632331
Zexion and Axiom Verge

>>730632530
No I mean how come Metroid hasn't made a Metroidvania game

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>>730632575

>>730632239
I keep hearing this, explain why.
All I know is you get 3 main weapons now.
Cause I quite liked the first but haven't picked up the second yet.

>>730632331
the fuck does this even mean anon?>>730632575
Oh.
Ok.
So you are retarded.
Never mind, kill yourself.

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did you know this game was a first person metroidvania made in 1996 a year before SOTN was released?

>>730632736
Combat is faster because "DURR COMBAT TOO SLOW" so now all the deliberate weight and heft behind your swings are INSTANT
platforming is easier and floatier because "DURR MOVEMENT TOO SLOW, PLATFORMING TOO HARD" and now the deliberate speed and weight are faster and more aligned with farted out anime slop, much like the fucking artstyle that was ruined for budget.
B1 is this sick atmospheric contemplative type game where the player is absorbed into the world
B2 is an apology for that

>>730632575
Metroid is a space jellyfish, not enough fingers to make metroidvanias.

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>>730633034
Metroid can type just fine, she'd rather be a fat pregnant bitch

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>using the term "M*troidvania" to describe action-adventure games in the year 2026
ISHYGDDT

>>730629498
Can we get a better name than this good god

>>730633554
>>730634250
hollow-likes

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>>730632530
Neat map
I should check out more Puzzlevanias and Metroidbrainias

>>730630014
>The godfather of all metroidvanias, the one game every good metroidvania takes as a base but hardly ever comes close to reach its glory, you must play it out of respect.

You mean the game that took Super Metroid as a base?

>>730635857
You're treading dangerous ground here anon

Super Metroid > SOTN though

>>730635857
he said godfather not grandfather

>>730635925
Yeah but Super Metroid is the base, not SotN. SotN doesn't really do anything new other than introduce a bunch of poorly implemented RPG stat nonsense that almost no metroidvanias copied - all it did was create the precedent that Metroid doesn't have a monopoly on the gameplay style and that it's now a genre and not just a singular franchise.

Metroidvania was a perfectly good way to describe these games until people insisted that Hollow Knight not only was one but was the best one. Now it's just a fancy word for a side scrolling action adventure.

>>730635897
I'm gonna give a genuine hot take, Super Metroid controls kinda eh. Way too floaty.

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>>730632530
>void stranger
Isn't that just a sukeban game?
>pic unrelated
I'm playing a wrestling management simulation game and I've made a company full of delinquent schoolgirls. Not sukeban, not sudoku, that box-moving game.

>>730630014
>Perfectly balanced
lol lmao
>good exploratoin
lol lmao

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>>730629498
>greatest
SOTN
>favorite
OoE

>>730629498
Blasphemous 1 & 2 and it's not even close.

>>730633361
>@grok skin this monster onto a map of the lower us

>>730630014
>Rabi-Ribi
Great one. The soundtrack is solid too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMUAR64iQsQ

>>730632454
>>730632165
I wouldn't recommend La-Mulana to someone looking for a metroidvania, it barely takes anything from either genre namer. Absolute classic for a hardcore puzzle game though.

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>greatest movement and graphix
ori and the blind forest
>greatest mystery hunting
environmental station alpha
>greatest exploration, combat & bosses
hollow knight
>>730635347
on one hand i feel like nine sols should arguably be closer to soulsvanias but it would also be a disservice to the other soulsvanias
Its literally just completely DS3-style railroaded action game and in that regard its really pretty further from being that much of a metroidvania other than having an interconnected world. It genuinely sacrifices like 90% of whats particulary good about the genre and doesnt even actually use sidescroller movement in its combat very much because hitboxes dont matter 3/4 of the time
but on the other hand you also cant really lump it with the other "soulsvanias" because the others are more DS1/DS2/DES style that actually play around the *overlaps* of those genres

>>730636987
goddamnit anon

>>730636674
But hollowknight is a metroidvania.
>A map where you can go to different directions and meet a dead end.
>the powerups not only unlock new areas but they affect gameplay.
>has collectionables and upgrades you need to find.
Just because it adapted a brush of dark souls with the gloom doom kingdong and the stupid stain after death, it still closer to an igavania than dark souls.

>>730636987
They are more precise than any other game in the series. If you don't feel they're snappy it's because you're playing it that way.

>>730638405
>stupid stain after death
being able to pogo off of your shade and reach new places is absolutely awesome, they made that feature actually thinking of their own game instead of just ripping off dark souls
Thats pretty much the reason why HK is so much more liked than the other souls-clone vanias, and also why i genuinely believe team cherry when they said they didnt know of dark souls when making Hollow Knight. Thats literally it, actually come up with your own mechanics that actually fit your game. Unlike all the others that shit up their game with something like a retarded estus flask healing system that blows dick for the combat and exploration they are making. And then it gets compared to souls so much because turns out the way to actually best emulate what people loved about DS1 isnt just copypasting the mechanics

>>730632975
>B1
>deliberate
you wouldn't know the difference between deliberate and weighty vs anime and floaty if it was staring to your face. B1 was floaty and anime, it was simply badly made at that. It never pretended to be zweihander soulshit. You are just coping cause you want this shi to be intentional

>>730638364
>combat and bosses
>hollow knight
they couldn't even figure out you shouldn't rapidly move bosses with no tells in a game with touch damage bruh

>>730638550
i dont entirely agree with the other anon but this is deranged
theres literally nothing about anime about blasphemous 1

i genuinely believe the shallow slowness of B1 constantly blows dick (its possible to make slowness interesting) but blasphemous 1 is literally the definition of deliberate
>zweihander soulsshit
do you realise 1/3 the people play ds1 with fast attacking weapons and ninja flips

>>730638617
90% of bosses who can suddenly move have tells if you arent blind
no excuse for exceptions like godtamer
if you wanna complain about contact damage you need to look at silksong where its actually abysmal, in HK1 its a non issue most of the time

>>730629498
What is the game in OPs pic?
I'm a level designer in my studio and want to take more inspiration from other games to help make sure my stuff isn't boring or too repetitive.

>>730638546
>stain after death
isn't good mechanic for a metroidvania where you can miss the map at all, or metroidvania where you can get stuck on a boss. Sure they may have came up with the classic wow/diablo/everquest corpse run toooootally on their own but they clearly didn't understood the consequences of it.

>>730638697
>most of the time
and i t was never fixed and lead us to silksong. So yeah team cherry are full of shit and don't get basic combat design fundamentals and only reason 1 is tolerable is cause they were referencing megaman more

>>730638726
it would be a problem if geo was like an EXP system but it isnt
the consequence is that it gave you some pressure and concern about dying and doesnt let you just kill yourself to fast travel 24/7 while still not being too punishing, its infinitely more rewarding to push into uncharted territory than worry about your shade like a bitch
>where you can get stuck on a bos
bosses usually leave their shade outside of the arena so you can get it back and move on with your life without being eternally trapped to it, worst case scenario you can probably blast it before entering the arena in question

>miss the map at all
are you unable to remember paths with your brain
i can imagine several problems related to missing the map but the shade is not one of them

>>730638649
ah yeah extremely fast hollow knight swings, wannabe pogo and fancy magic are totally not as anime as blasphemous 2. How is mea culpa at all more different than whatever sword you use in 2? And yeah both have extremely big floaty instant jumps that aren't animated with any weight.

>>730638726
>they clearly didn't understood the consequences of it.
I think they did, seeing how they put in a vendor that'll bring your shade to you.

>>730638780
>So yeah team cherry are full of shit and don't get basic combat design fundamentals
"muh combat design fundamentals" nigger they made infinitely more dynamic and interesting lategame boss movesets to the point everyone fellates them
"understanding combat design fundamentals" is the kind of shit i hear from people praising braindead parryslop or bossfights made for geriatric boomers where you respond to every single move in the exact same way

Alien Quest Eve is the best pornographic metroidvania.

>>730630014
Nine Sols is a great game but it puts combat over exploration by a country mile. The only reason why it feels even remotely comparable is because games like Metroid only give you missiles or power bombs for exploring while Nine Sols gives you Jades, 80% of which you'll never use, and because the degree of exploration is significantly lower.

>>730638849
>wannabe pogo
blasphemous' pogo mechanic is literally irrelevant in 99.99% of its gameplay and you can hardly actually use it in combat
>fancy magic
having supernatural elements doesnt mean your game is braindead or anime territory, are you incapable of understanding nuance
>extremely fast hollow knight swings
now im wondering if you even played the game
they technically come out as fast, but even by default youre stuck in an animation for much longer and it completely roots you
And then you realise your initial slashes deal dogshit damage and what matters is your finishers, which are much slower with much more endlag

I sentence you to spending 90 hours playing some dumb shit like Stellar Blade so you find out what anime garbage combat actually means

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Anons keep saying Tevi is good.
Play it.
The ending is rushed and a cluster fuck.
The ending is a ms Power point presentation.
The ending clips of Tevi are CENSORED.
No one seems to talk about this.

>>730638824
>game absolutely lets you miss a map for multiple areas in a row, so you are god knows where
>you die cause you can as easily miss benches too
>you obviously don't remember shit THAT deep in
>all your money is where you died
>maps are now at home town
>you need money to buy maps
>money that is stuck inside your corpse
How the fuck do you not see a problem
This is what happened to me with deepnest. And you know what was the only area i could explore after i've lost all my money? The area that required 1800 geo for lantern. So i had to grind a lot.

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>>730637909
>sukeban

>>730638987
TEVI is shit though. It's a worse Rabi Ribi in every conceivable way except for sprite art.

>>730638975
yeah i don't even remember what the hell are the finishers you are talking about

>>730638376
>>730638502
I can't help it, the time from a full jump to landing takes far longer than most similar games, and it just doesn't jive with me. It's a great game, but the slow jump absolutely is a negative for me.

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>Zexion has everything I want except for the fact that I'm a shitter and it's too hard.
feelsbadman

>>730638991
>>game absolutely lets you miss a map for multiple areas in a row, so you are god knows where
you need to be doing something monumentally retarded or deliberately refuse to check cornifers' shop at your nearest stag station for this to happen
>you obviously dont remember shit that deep in
not the entire game is deepnest
>all your money is where you died
maps are comically cheap, this isnt what keeps you worrying about geo
your lack of braincells for exploration is showing
>And you know what was the only area i could explore after i've lost all my money? The area that required 1800 geo for lantern. So i had to grind a lot.
or you could go somewhere else if you felt unprepared for it

im sorry that you cant comprehend a game having true nonlinearity instead of being another railroaded baby game. I hope you dont get utterly raped by bilewater in silksong

>>730639071
by default in blasphemous you have a 3 hit combo where the third strike is quite harder, you spend a while slashing at the enemy to reach it for a good chunk of damage
later on you unlock three options for the 4th attack that hit even harder (basically same purpose as 3rd but stronger / uppercut swing that sends you upwards / spinning slash which hurts the most but is the slowest)

if you cant land those then your damage with the sword is going to blow dick

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>>730639078
>full jump
Then don't do a full jump nigga

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>>730639015
Anon got the meaning of sukeban correct, he's thinking of sokoban. Pretty close, all things considered.

>>730639129
>refuse to check cornifers' shop at your nearest stag station for this to happen
you need to find stag stations. Which means backtracking to crossing paths and taking the one you didn't. Or you enter every room, kill all enemies, and check every exit before deciding with which to go? I just go the random one. So i miss benches, stag stations, maps etc etc.
>or you could go somewhere else if you felt unprepared for it
I WAS LITERALLY EVERYWHERE except the dark place when i've lost my money. There was literally no other option than to grind for lantern.

>>730639197
and that still fast and not in any way more deliberate and heavy than other metroidvanias. Grime is faaaar heavier. Again, B1 feels like a java game. Clunky and laggy but not weighty. It's no salt and sanctuary.

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>>730630014
>Rabi-Ribi
my retarded ass thought you were talking about vib ribbon
didn't help one of your replies mentioned the soundtrack

>>730632239
ERM ACTUALLY BLASPHEMOUS IS NOT A TRUE METROIDVANIA BECAUSE THERE AREN'T ANY ABILITY GATED REGION UNLOCKS

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>>730639357
>i didnt find cornifer but i also didnt find stag stations but i also didnt find a decent shortcut somewhere else but i also didnt find a nearby bench but i also didnt find....
This is starting to sound unlikely in literally any area other than deepnest

>I WAS LITERALLY EVERYWHERE except the dark place when i've lost my money. There was literally no other option than to grind for lantern.
This doesnt make sense on a fundamental level
By the time you are able to go to deepnest, the game completely opened up and you can clear out every single major zone in the game before deepnest is "the only place left to go"
At which point both 1800 geo/owning the lantern is something you certainly already have, or youre so overpowered for deepnest that you cannot possibly be concerned about losing your shade in there

>>730639417
>>grime
>mindlessly parry shit to death and barely care about hitboxes is deliberate
being heavy is not what makes a game deliberate

if anything i agree S&S mogs

>>730639535
you don't need lantern for deepnest? You need it for sewer place. I beat deepnest as the final area and needed to go to sewers.

>>730639612
having to stand a moment in front/back of an easy enemy doesn't really make a game deliberate too, by that logic every action game ever that has more than one hit in a combo is deliberate

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>>730639621
you need a lantern for the leftmost side of deepnest near the weaver den
to be honest now im actually seeing a possible lame scenario where the player is both broke as shit but hasnt identified any interesting place to go other than western deepnest, waterways, or the right corridor in crystal peak that will both rape you without a lantern, though ive never seen that happen before up until you mentioned it

>>730639105
there's an assist menu to make it not retarded

>>730639774
i've took all the points out of luck when creating my character sheet and now i fall into every single extremely unlikely game design oversign scenario possible. If someone discovers a "game and steam both delete save" on steam it's me

>>730629498
>best in genre
super metroid and it's not even close. The only reason people of neo/v/ prefer other games is because they aren't interested in the genre, they are interested in running aimlessly with spectacle and this genre naturally provides that
>fav in genre
what do you think?

>>730638264
you just sold me on la-maluna

>>730632975
B1 was artificial difficulty slop with shit combat, shit areas too much reliance on insta kill spikes and you don't even get any actual metroidvania abilities. B2 is better than b1 faggot

>>730639078
>tap without walking for spin jump (ie, not do a spin jump)
very small jump that drops the moment you let go of jump button
>spin jump
get specific height based on acceleration at time of jump just like super mario bros 3 all-stars edition with full air control and ability to walljump, as well as the option to just aim or press up to instantly cancel spin and drop

You "super metroid old" complainers are genuinely too dense to stop saying the game feels floaty, and then you defend the awful controls of fusion

>>730640612
awful controls+good game feel > good controls+awful game feel

>>730629498
Bloodborne

>>730629498
metroid dread

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if you're into la mulana this is mind blowingly good, but because it's a smw romhack instead of a commercial game no one will ever play it or treat it seriously when I recommend it, it's an absolute masterpiece of hardcore puzzle and ingenuous map design full of cool ideas
https://www.smwcentral.net/?p=section&a=details&id=40108

>>730630014
>another retard who thinks nine sols is a metroidvania