I like this. If Steam supports ARM, then I could play PC games from Steam on my phone too.
>>730634530Are there ARM emulators which run on x86?
Does ARM64 Steam support would mean you can play Steam games on Android?
>>730634530>>730634726no it doesn't, retards
What are the implications of this?
>>730634656>ARM emulatorsThere are many Android game emulators.They are used to run ARM-based Android games on Windows.
>>730634813Far better power efficiency for handhelds and smaller devices.
>>730634813Basically every PC game is portable to mobile and is able to basically run native without needing to pay money for porting and this works vice versa. This is also the reason why Valve has been accepting android games onto steam
>>730634813x86-64, the architecture used by 99.99% of servers and desktop computers, is dogshit. ARM is used in smartphones and is why they are so powerful and energy efficient for their size. The sooner we move to ARM the better. It will also make it easier to port applications from PC to Mobile and vice versa.
>>730635907>x86-64, the architecture used by 99.99% of servers and desktop computers, is dogshitwhy?
>>730636080It's almost 50 years old
>twitter thread>jeet nationKill yourself
>>730634530Who in the world has an arm processor in their pc?Only widespread one i can think of are the apple m chips, which will mostly just be running macos and not Ubuntu.And steam deck is arch based.
>>730636565Aren't the Chromebooks ARM?
>>730634530All the more better for my chinkhelds
>>730636224And ARM is 41 years old
>WE'RE ALL GONNA BE RUNNING STEAMOS ON PHONESlol noPhone vendors are cunts, you're not going to get drivers for your phone even if you could jailbreak it. The OS "freedom" you have on PC is grandfathered in due to it's legacy Oh, and if you really wanted phone games.. Epic has its own mobile store :)>do you guys not have phones and give Timmy money?
>>730636565You can run Ubuntu on Mac hardware.
>steam I prefer my games DRM free
>>730636565there are snapdragon x elite chips on laptops and the boards could be used for mini pcs>>730636868you don't have to install steamos on a phone, you could just make a steam app that runs games on android, there's also chinese handhelds which will absolutely support being able to install your os of choice, if a lot of them don't just install steamos on their own.
>>730636868Tim gives mobile games for free thanks Tim!
>>armCall me when risc-v is supported
>>730637090Even more of a meme than ARM for desktop. It's like giving a fuck about PowerPC in 2026.
>>730634813
>>730634530So what's the verdict? Ubuntu or Arch?
>>730637178Change the chinese to indian and it'll be accurate
>>730637376Eh same thing.
>>730637376I think it was a reference to this.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_room
>>730637326Arch all the way baby!
>>730634530>If Steam supports ARMPlease don't make the same mistake that people made with Proton. Properly attribute the specific people that Valve is supporting. God it'll be so fucking irritating if in 5 years, there'll be a new version of FEX that they effectively paid to put their name on and rebrand so people act like they're the only ones pushing forward the scene.
>>730637847I get this is the linux community we're talking about, but the Wine project and codeweavers don't act like fags about it so why should we start being fags about it when it's Valve?Especially since you can extrapolate it as praise to everyone involved?
>>730634726android != arm, retardandroid === JAVA
>>730634813Best case scenario? Server hosting on arm64 VPSes will become a lot less painless. Worst case scenario? Valve is futureproofing and trying to get their fingers in on still making money for the downfall of the desktop PC, as being able to run games on arm64 a lot better can mean a lot for either cloud gaming or people running that shit directly on lighter arm64 hardware.
>>730636080becuase it's made by kikes, which means it's energy intensive, inefficient, unoptimized, and riddled with kike spyware and malware and unremovable kike hardware-level spyware uefi
>>730637964>>730637847Retard.Valve has been there fucking DAY ONE.>https://fex-emu.com/FEXiversary/>I want to thank the people from Valve for being here from the start and allowing me to kickstart this project.
>>730636565and apple m chips literally run windows in a virtual machine better than x86 cpus do natively, you retarded nigger
ARM more like ARSE
>>730637847retarded EGSjeet
>>730634530Why ARM and not RISC-V?
>>730634530Good time to buy Single Board Computers since they run on ARM.
Linux on ARM is not Android on ARM you tech illiterate retards
>>730637847retard
>>730638142also valve has a fuckton of linux devs that contribute alongside all the contractors they pay
>>730638004>android === JAVA餌だよ
>I could play PC games from Steam on my phone too.could an iphone do this theoretically?
>steam will run on an arm
>>730638142>Valve has been there fucking DAY ONEAnd?>it should be noted that Valve isn't making it, they're supporting the development effort of it>uhhh retard? don't you know that [Valve has always been supporting the development effort of it]That's just the exact same statement but with specification on the details, lmao
Im sorry but who wants thisIndia overwhelmingly uses phones
>>730638648when i am president, all EGSjeets will be hunted down and executed in the streets, george foid style
so FEX is like a dynarec for x86 to ARM code?
>>730639619I have no idea, but yes
>>730635610Huh neat, not my thing but cool.
>>730634813any hardware is gonna be able to play anything. there's like a million phone games that aren't on steam that are gonna flood the market, and vice versa
>>730634530This is for Frame, but I wouln't be surprised at this point jf Deck 2 was ARM
>>730634813I've also been suspecting that the industry will go hard on ARM architecture because people want to be more mobile nowadays.What this means is a big move from the powerful x86-64 to less powerful but more battery-life ARM machines.
>>730641513I'm willing to bet it is. They didn't put ARM in the new Steam Machine because FEX is still experimental. People buying the machine expect stability, but the people buying the frame are willing to experiment.
>>730642185The industry is bogged down by licesces. Only AMD and Intel are allowed to produce x86 chips. Moving to ARM would allow for a ton of competition
you can already run steam games on your phone with the gamesaaaaaar gamehub app.but you actually have to download the real one because they're about 100 fakes. gamesir has the real one on their own site.I played megabonk for a while but haven't installed much else. also used a bluetooth controller.
>>730642363So is ARMThis is why people want RISC-V
>>730634530So what? Is this going to be Steam's version of the Winlator?
>>730642726Bullshit. ARM is leas restrictive on it's licenses and this is why there's more ARM processor types from shitty no-name companies to Snapdragon SoCs.
>>730636080Remember that non-Americans have to count their watts. They can't get power for practically nothing.
>>730636645most are shitty celerons
>>730634726Nigga https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPhMDCA2iEA
>>730636565met. radxa orion o6 owner who uses it as his daily with an rx 7650gre
>>730634530>snapi'll wait for the flatpak
>>730638251RISC V is years off being ready for prime time, might as well bring Steam out for Loongarch
Kill and maim twitter posters
>>730643205Yes it is much less restrictive
>>730642185>mobile users>peopleNice joke, I almost thought you were serious for a second.
>>730634530the average pleb will not understand but valve plays the long game and is preparing to capture the future arm desktop market.just like with proton it'll likely take a decade but when it does they'll have total ownership over the market.
>>730634530>arm64 version of steamok, no problem, you can easily get a clientnow have fun trying to play your X86_64 games stupid retard>pirat_nationI hate jeets like you OP
>>730634530>snapI hate canonicalfags so much>>730636565I have a shit Samsung arm64 windows laptop, unironically linux has much better arm64 supported software (just not for the laptops peripherals so I am stuck)
>>730644679fex is the part that runs amd64 games on arm64
>>730635907ARM is a dogshit architecture that can't compete with high-end desktop PCsfurthermore, there's no standard platform firmware like in the case of BIOS and UEFI (it's a shitty standard but better than nothing), which preclude jewish manufacturers from locking you onto their OS. also, ARM bootloaders are locked and manufacturers are increasingly refusing to unlock them so fuck ARM
>>730644679>now have fun trying to play your X86_64 games stupid retardWine has built-in ARM64EC faggot.
>>730644763my desktop and NAS ARM boards both have UEFI
>reading my VNs on my Galaxy Tab 8Sounds comfy as fuck ngl
>>730637090Felix86 is running steam games
>>730638648esl
>>730641098>any hardware is gonna be able to play anything.Nope, AAA will detect the emulator and ban you from playing
Snap versions of Steam are officially unsupported by Valve.
>>730634530>Nvidia DGX SparkCool so only $4000 starting price for playable frame rates
>>730638251Because ARM actually exists and isn't a meme.
>>730636224>old thing bad
Stacking interpolation and emulation layers is always good and efficient!
>>730636080I think it's an over-complicated instruction set, making it a lot more difficult for non-established makers to produce a working processor for consumers. Also and I'm a bit less sure on this, but as I know, the patent situation with x86 is a lot worse than with ARM.
>>730634813Nothing. All the translation software is still in a rough proof of concept state where a few things work poorly and everything else just outright sucks, still far away from primetime, and then it'll face an uphill battle against awful ARM GPUs and its drivers. That won't be a Steam Deck moment in the slightest, but it might be enough for lightweight needs.
>>730648781>making it a lot more difficult for non-established makers to produce a working processorThat's not the issue. They just legally can't.
>>730649026>rough proof of concept stateIf this is rough concept state then ill take it lmao.https://youtube.com/watch?v=RpZfQMSc7do
>>730636565The Steam Frame (running Steam OS) will have an Arm chip
>>730637026Why are you playing them on a DRM box then?
>>730648781Patents are 15 years. If by patent situation you meant companies can't force monopolies past that then ok.
>>730649171>stuttery 540p or so on stupid high-end chipYeah. Rajesh from XDA might be over the moon about it, but that's obviously not practical to humans.
>>730647504RetardAll those games already work with proton and this is just building in an x86 to arm translation layer into itThey can't do shit
>>730649374thats how majority of pc cucks play their games according to Steam hardware surveys though kek
>>730649496Even "high end" hardware owners are, the rest of the resolution and framerate is fake
>>730649496Not my problem. I don't think of niggers and their consoles when playing games.
Linux becoming god I even playing mods of game on linuxLike golden gate 2 a gothic 3 mod
>>730634813This new announcement means nothing if you've been following FEX and the Steam Frame/Deckard for a while now. It's just a cool and easy way for Ubuntu ARM/Raspberry Pi users to fuck around with gaming. But otherwise FEX MIGHT allow a Steam Deck 2 to use ARM and get a ton of efficiency over the current Deck's x86 chip. Probably.
>>730641513>I wouln't be surprised at this point jf Deck 2 was ARM>>730649859>FEX MIGHT allow a Steam Deck 2 to use ARM and get a ton of efficiency over the current Deck's x86 chip. Probably.The issue is who is going to supply the chips? Nvidia is doing the Switch 2 hardware but those are custom designed and they're most definitely not allowed to have anyone else use them. Qualcomm doesn't really do chips for portables, just phones. AMD who Valve have been tight with for the Deck and Cube don't make ARM chips.I guess they could use Qualcomm's most expensive Snapdragon but it wouldn't be worth the cost:performance ratio and would be underpowered for a portable gaming machine. Nvidia is probably too busy making AI shit to bother designing another Tegra chip.
>>730650258X86 is doing a slow death. Why not work with AMD to pivot to ARM?
>>730650357Last I heard they feel like their x86 APUs are good enough to compete in the high-performance market.AMD designing a great ARM chip would take them a while and most investment nowadays is going towards AI and to a lesser extent RISC-V.
>>730650258switch 2 is not custom designed, it's an underclocked off the shelf orin soc
>>730650550x86_64 is relatively speaking the last bastion of freedom. ARM is locked down to hell and back. it's so dire qualcomm, mediatek, etc. can literally obsolete your device overnight and you don't get any more OS or kernel updates
>>730646675This. Most of my backlog is games I want to play on my phone at work, not in front of my gaming pc. Doing this natively instead of with emulators and GOG drum-free games would be exceptional. Most of it is older/less intensive games anyway.
>>730650787>ARM is locked down to hell and backThe fuck is that supposed to mean?
>>730650826not only are you tech illiterate, you also have a smaller attention span than goldfish since you can't even read an entire post>>730650880>RISC-V is free-er since it's literally open sourcecool, now tell me how much software you can run on it>b-but muh freedumbsI appreciate the ideals and shit, but hardware that doesn't run shit isn't very useful>Qualcomm has been making some moves in that spaceunified platform firmware still doesn't exist. that fact alone is absolutely preposterous
>>730650880ok I looked it up your righthope it gets jailbroken soon would be a shame to waste such an interesting chip
>>730650880>RISC-V is free-erIt's really not for the end user. An OS made for one RISCV system won't work on another, the whole RISCV SBC scene is a giant clusterfuck.RVA23 might change things, but I'm not holding my breath for it.
>>730634530I have news for you
>>730650954>cool, now tell me how much software you can run on itYou can run Linux and a web browser, that's all 90% of consumers need. That said, a lot of complex websites completely shit themselves and good enough hardware is very expensive. But things will evolve.>>730650980That's not really an issue for the average consumer where the hardware and OS are vertically integrated anyway. It's been a pain in the ass getting Linux running on Apple silicon for example but who cares about Asahi other than 30 nerds or so?
>>730650954>not only are you tech illiterate, you also have a smaller attention span than goldfish since you can't even read an entire postI read your post and it only contained claims and not the actual mechanisms how it's done.
>>730634530>snap package>like the DGX Spark
>>730634813Apple winning the only market they haven't conquered
>>730649352Are you implying there are no patents preventing companies from making and selling x86/64 ships?
>>730634530I never understood why Windows and mainstream Linux distros have so much trouble compiling versions that work on architectures other than x86 and amd64. I thought the whole point of writing your OS in C was to ensure it was portable?
>>730651485>Apple>Vulkan
>>730634530It'll be shit if it doesn't support AVX2 at the extreme minimum, ideally AVX512
>>730651631Portable as in you just have to fix few small things and not rewrite the entire OS for the new architecture. And it does exactly that.
>>730650980RISC-V is the future imo. It might take 10 years or more but everyone will eventually end up there. That's probably the reason tech companies are already investing there.
>>730636080Notice how there's not a single reply to this saying why x86 is badNot a single benchmark proving why it's ARM is supposedly better>>730638116Compared to ARM which is made by...?
>>730652421Here's my reply: >>730648781
>>730652452Again, how does that make ARM better? It's the same argument made one of the replies saying "It's old".Well classic computers are old, so what? Does that mean quantum computers are good because they are new?Where are the benchmarks? Where are the numbers to compare to x86?Show me ARM cpus using less power, generating less heat and achieving more frame per second in a videogame that I will concede
>>730652565Can you please read my reply first.
>>730649487>All those games already work with protonYou don't know what you're talking about.
>>730638304Think it would be worth it to get an Orange Pi?
>>730634530The year of Raspberry Pi gaming is upon us!
>>730634813It's for Valve's VR headset. You'd be mad to use ARM anywhere outside of single purpose devices like that. The driver support is so bad and proprietary so you can't build any generic system out of it
>>730652725pay 100 more for an actual mini pc. also wait for benchmarks instead of falling for hype
>>730634726You can already do that for quite a lot of games. GameHub and GameNative do exactly that. And stuff like Winlator lets you also run non-Steam games.The world is moving away from x86 (to some minor extent) and away from Windows.
>>730652678Ok sorry.Well not many ARM cpus yet in the desktop market besides Apple's one
>>730652954Yeah, but adding software support will make it a lot more attractive economically to make those CPUs so it's gotta be a good thing.
>>730652565ARM is a lot more power efficient, it also makes it way easier to suspend processes and put the device on a low power sleep mode, something x86 cpus cant do easily.It's the reason every mobile device uses ARM chips, as far as performance go they are very comparable, but ARM just blows every x86 chip out of the water in efficiency.
>>730636080>>730652565x86 is CISC and ARM is RISCCISC is overcomplicated garbage
>>730652701>>730641098live service slop with kernel anti-cheat is not real vidya
>>730634813the implications are that Valve are about to change the entire industry again, You see that itty bitty phone? that could be your gaming console.Were looking at a low energy high output future.
ARM gaming is viable now especially if you have a Snapdragon based device
nice
>>730654237Do consoles use x86 too?
>>730652421Some random graph I pulled off google.
>>730654472Xbox and PS5 do. I'm not sure what architecture Switch uses.
>>730654472For Nintendo and Sony consoless they proprietary based OS's with Sony still using PC like coding but Nintendo is already using Arm. unironically stands the most to gain from this technology.
>>730654674Switch is ARM. x86 handhelds do exist but they're rare compared to ARM handhelds.
>>730643591>Boomer shitCan't wait for you cunts to die off
