How would you rank the skills in Heroes of Might and Magic 3?
Anyone else has the board game?
>>730652671Leadership is my favorite from what I remember
>>730652756No I never played it? I wonder how good it is?
>>730652784Serviceable gameplay (the rng rolls on combat can be brutal), but the fanservice is GREAT and makes you basedjak like a retard if you're a HoMM3 kid. I've played many scenarios with my friends and we like it. It takes a long time for more than 2 players though. We play on the second to last difficulty.Waiting on the expansions, they look great and seem to add the variety that's missing.
For vanilla, and primary heroes expected to do fightingS-tier>Air Magic>Diplomacy>Earth Magic>Logistics>Necromancy (on Necropolis)>WisdomA-tier>Offense>Armorer>Navigation (on water maps, otherwise B to F depending on amount of water)>Tactics>Water MagicB-tier>Archery (assuming a faction with >=2 good ranged units)>Intelligence>Luck>Pathfinding (map-dependent)>SorceryC-tier>Estates>Fire Magic>Resistance>Scholar (good on secondary heroes)D-tier>Artillery>Ballistics>First Aid>Mysticism>ScoutingF-tier>Eagle Eye>Learning
>>730652671I never used my heroes at all so my skill priority was always:>Estates>Armorer, Offense, Luck>Leadership, LogisticsAll other skills were non-existent to me.
>>730653226based
>>730653030Fire magic has blinding and meteor shower tho. These are pretty good spells.
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>>730652671>How would you rank the skills in Heroes of Might and Magic 3?With or withour Wake of Gods? Because I don't think anyone plays without WOG.
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>>730653030Why is Mysticism so low? Wouldn't it be a good skill if you cast magic like crazy?
>>730652671this is not the game i remember.
>>730652671this is the game i remember
>>730653030overall i agree with all of those, although there are some nishe builds that do use some of the C and B tiers more.
>>730656594Jesus, that's fucking gross
slavs play it everywhere at any device. ruskies probably play it at the ISS on 1970s russian space tech PCs
>>730656727Hey don't pass judgment onto others
>>730656727>Jesus, that's fucking basedftfy
>>730655437Aren't HotA the go-to mod nowadays?
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>>730657226how does a slav proceed in this particular situation. what do the next couple hours look like.
>>730656394Easy enough to refill your mana with wells and towns, without eating a skill slot. Very few scenarios where it could be useful.
>>730657515>hoursI'm pretty sure it takes days if not weeks for meat to dry.
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>>730656394Because in a typical scenario it amounts to "several" magic points. In a very large map with very low density of towns and wells and magic springs? I'd perhaps bump it up to C-tier, but even then, you'll often get more bang for your buck from doing more with a single spellcast, or being more might-oriented ("cast mass haste and proceed to win on back of your alpha strike vs cast an extra lightning bolt"). In HotA/WoG it could be S-tier on those maps ("spam elementals and implosion and resurrection every fight" and not run out on your two weeks long journey without replenishment).
>>730653903meteor shower is an earth spell, I know it's bullshitthat said armageddon and berserk rape the AI.
>>730664228Vibecoded.
>>730653030Eagle Eye should have it's own lowest tier below even other worst skills
>>730664856>he doesn't want to learn chain lightning from an enemy hero
>>730652756>>730652784>>730652927its shit. inferior the the game that is also shit. the only thing it has over the video game is that you dont damage your eyesight
>>730664856>Learning: Takes up a secondary skill slot, and doesn't provide enough XP to ever be able to get a level ahead. Basically half a stat point (on average) or something.>Eagle eye: Takes up a secondary skill slot, but you can sometimes, rarely, theoretically, learn a useful spell. In some really perverted custom map that bans good spells from your towns but has an unique encounter with an enemy hero knowing these spells, it could even be GOOD (especially on a secondary hero when combined with scholar,)Eagle eye is super-hyper-mega-niche, but at least theoretically useful.
Diplomacy and Necromacy are broken
>>730652671scholar, eagle eye, luck = dogshit
>>730665795If only you could learn non battle spells from close heroes maybe it'd be good. Copying dimension door from an enemy hero yeeting himself all over the map at least would be useful.
>>730665926>Diplomacy and Necromacy
>>730665926I never understood the hype behind Diplomacy. Isn't it rng and you still have to pay huge amount of money for units to join you?
>>730666051It's all about early advantage. Lets you get way ahead of the weekly growth curve and then just snowball.
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During the Lockdown i used to play PVP with some of the best players in the worldone of the best gaming community in the world>earth magic>air magic>diplomacygotta be top 3
>>730666220https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbK-qyObdXM
>>730666051you get free joins if you know how to game the skill
>>730666441A friend has this video living rent free on his mind.
>>730666051Creatures can also join for free ("for greater glory"), and diplomacy makes it more likely. And since the game (on ordinary maps, played effectively) is about exploring as quickly as possible to get more than your fair share of resources on the map and to grow the hero power by being as frugal as possible with your armies so as to recruit new heroes and send them off exploring too (good expansion stacks might look like e.g. two wyverns or marksmen with blockers), that you don't have to fight an enemy stack but instead potentially gain a new powerstack, allows you to snowball that much quicker. Week 1 dragon utopia? Might be possible if you're lucky!Here's the exact breakdown of the mechanic https://heroes.thelazy.net/index.php/Wandering_creature
>>730666051It lets you establish an early lead and rush enemies much easier. The first week of the game is probably the most important one, which is why you want to expand as rapidly as possible and extra units allow you to do just that. Even if you pay it's usually worth it.
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Is there a list of advanced tactics for things like hit-and-run devils and using a single sprite stack to solo dwarven vaults?
>>730667078https://heroes3wog.net/download/%5BManual%5D%20Tribute%20to%20Strategists.pdf
>>730655437Wtf is a wog
>>730667646Slur for Italian I think
>>730667646World of Gay
>>730667727no thats wop
>>730656594Never kill yourself
>>730656594SOVL
Classic Heroes thread. This old video still holds up pretty well https://youtu.be/81nhkIPdzk4
>want to try this out >"Get HOTA! Get HOTA!">can't beat campaign>"Oh the HOTA campaign is made assuming you know how to play"go on without me I'll play RoE...
>>730671932When it comes to HoM&M 99% of the time you launch a single scenario, pick a map you like or generate your own and play.
>>730671932Hota campaings are built like a challenge maps so they can only be beaten in a very specific way, so you need an extensive knowledge of the game to even be able to beat them in the first place, i personally heavily dislike them so i just make a random map and play that instead
>>730671669>thumbnail is just furry pornunironically kill yourself
>>730653030I would even say that Earth Magic is S+ tier
>>730653030Which tier is Leadership?
>>730652671>Listen to some music one day>Hear one HOMM3 sound effect in it>"Oh neat, I recognize tha-">Another one soon afterhttps://youtu.be/szAu_JoirmY
anyone tried to mix WoG and HoTA on VCMI? does it work?
Is there a spell which you have never used? For me, it's Visions.
>>730653030>Putting Necromancy and Diplomacy in same tier as everything else.Dude... these two are literally banned on multiplayer cuz how they work lol
>>730673541Fear
>>730656594I don't smoke nearly enough weed to feel like as much of a pothead as I do.I'm gonna shmoke shome weed.
>>730673651>banned on multiplayerbanned by who?G+u is one of the most popular templates with top players and it has no rules
>>730671932No one recommends hota to brand new players wtf
>>730673541when remove obstacle shows up in the magic guild I just whitenoise it.
>>730673651banned by your troon friends maybe
>>730673651Last time I checked, tourneyfags tend to ban town portal and dimension door, too....
>>730673541Does anyone use protection from air/water/fire//earth? Maybe I would if it was one reduce dmg from spells kind of spell.
>>730656678is the garlic cut and put in the bread or how is it eaten?
>>730679356however you want. i would eat it separately
>>730652671NECESSARY TIER:>wisom>any one type of magic (earth > air > fire > water)>necromancy for necropolis heroesTOP TIER:>offense>armorer>diplomacy>logisticsGREAT TIER:>tactics>archery (depending on the faction)Honestly all the others range between situational and garbage.
>>730664228>not even fixed in HotAAlso, why didn't Ubisoft never update the HD version with the expansions now that they have their source code as well? They should have plenty of Indians for the task.
>>730667078Damn I can't find it now, but I remember seeing a video with some bizarre AI abuse methods. Like for example how having a fireball or any other AoE spell affects how the AI chooses to place their units and how to abuse it.
>>730679129Useful to protect yourself from certain debuffs when fighting another player.
>>730657226Before I clicked on the image, it looked like gaymer socks
the great question of h3: hota or wog? both are good in their own way, both have soul.
>>730653903Meteor shower is Earth. Expert berserk and blind are goated. And dragonggedon or Ifritgeddon is goated. I enjoyed it a lot in HeroesV
>>730653903It is competing against mass slow and mass haste
>>730664228>>730664514>>730679887https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Window_tax
>>730684245OK, but why build stairs leading there?
>>730683494hota is a much more balanced and overral higher quality mod, there's a reason why its the go to for most people nowadaysWog has a bunch of crazy shit in it but a lot of them feels out of place, thankfully you can customize it to your liking by removing any feature you don't like throught the in-game menus, Hota doesn't have this problem since its basically the same Homm3 but more balanced and with 3 extra factions
Anyone know how to change the main menu screen, i like the base archangel one. I'm using homm3 complete with the hd launcher.
>>730665724Fuck off you little bitch
>>730683494Obviously hota, no comparisonWog is a complete mess, and doesn't have the qol improvements of HD+. That being said I like to play a game once in a while, simply because it's different.
>>730688796>and doesn't have the qol improvements of HD+it does, you just have to use the newest updated version which goes by the name of ERA, i agree that some stuff like the level 8 creatures are cringe and look like something out of deviantart but stuff like unit xp or dwelling refreshing and scaling as you go makes things more interesting on bigger maps but overral Hota is better, i say you need to experience both and come to your own conclusions since there's really no reason not to do so
Is WoG even thing anymore or it's just ERA now?
>>730691432its ERA, but there's basically no difference between it and the original WoG, ERA just adds HD mod compability and fixes issues some of the WoG's scripts had
>>730673541I don't think I've ever used disrupting ray. Maybe it's good but the description makes it sound niche of niche.
>>730693080its good for deleting the last blinded stack in a battle, just spam it until your reduce the stack's defense to 0 and then you hit them for massive damage, also obviously good to spam on max tier units because the effect stacks and can't be dispelled
