just try them all and see if anyone of them is playable?

>which of these free games should I try?
Both and make up your own mind.

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go play wuwa, I'm gatekeeping ZZZ

>>730665981
Both are good honestly, but I played ZZZ for a year and got a bit tired of it being a corridor beat em up simulator and find Wuwa's open world exploring and mob farming like an MMO more satisfying.

To note: I played ZZZ from launch for about 15 months, but I have only been playing Wuwa for a week so take my opinion with a pinch of salt.

I will say I think Wuwa is the prettier game though. ZZZ has really cool and expressive character animations and definitely looks great, and the cutscenes for the main story missions are some of the best I've seen in any gacha, they're arguably triple A game tier, but I think overall Wuwa feels higher budget and there's a lot more movement and bigger scale/scope to the game and the animations.

There's a whole Z axis in Wuwa that just isnt utilised at all in ZZZ, its a DMC clone with no air combos.

But, I will say both are fun and I've heard they've made ZZZ more like Genshin and Wuwa recently with more open world exploring and chest hunting ala Nu-Zelda rather than the corridor beat em up it was at launch

>>730665981
ZZZ. The animation activates the almonds.
Wuwa is a worse Genshit in every aspect.

>>730665981
Wuwa has shitty optimization and keep getting bloated on every major update.

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>>730665981
Wuwa.
Whoever says it's a worse genshit they're wrong.

>>730665981
wuwa started out shit and got better
zzz started out good and got worse

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>>730665981
Play Prey (2017)

I've found that Wuwa ultimately has more to offer, but both have their pros and cons. Worth giving each a shot, they're free, but between the two I think Wuwa is better overall.

gachafags never learn

>>730665981
stay away from gacha games, they arent worth it
if you have a new pc play some real games

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>>730665981
ZZZ has strong start but it falls of on Season 2, while Wuwa's start is unbelievably bad. No idea how later parts of Wuwa are.
...Though I prefer Star Rail, personally.

>>730665981
they both look the same

>>730666783
>Preferring an auto battler game full of powercreep.
lmao

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>>730665981
Wuwa. I don't play AI games.

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The choice is easy op.

>>730666783
Wuwa improved by leaps and bounds starting from 1.1, and it just kept getting better and better after that, to the point that the consistent improvement is genuinely impressive.

>>730665981
WuWa

>>730667059
In what way has it improved?

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>>730665981
I play ZZZ since day 1, never played WuWa and never will. To me the character design and combat just looks way worse.
Also no gacha comes even close to ZZZ's sovl

smell like stealth Sh*N thread

>>730667107
By pretty much every metric you can think of. World design, voice-acting, story, music especially had an insane improvement, QoL, exploration, visuals. This is also maybe a personal preference thing, but the main character actually has a ton of speaking lines throughout the story rather than just being silent 99% of the time like a lot of other similar games, which I find makes it easier to get invested. Especially since a major focus in the story is uncovering his/her past.

I like ZZZ's character designs but goddamn it's so tiresome to play.

>>730667151
Anon, character designs are literally copy pasted from eachother, they use DALL-E to feed eachothers works and "create" new characters.

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>>730667107
story, character design, music, gameplay, visuals

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>>730666927
When you're just starting out, it's impossible to play it as auto-battler since you don't have strong units. It legit feels like turn-based JRPG, just with characters having kind of scuffed move-sets.
As for power-creep... That does happen, but it's actually not bad at all for new players, as long as you're fine with pulling new characters rather than the extremely old ones. The game is fairly generous with pulls from older content, so it's totally possible to build two new teams.
Also, I just prefer storytelling and characters in HSR.

>>730667059
Yeah, I've heard of that. But Wuwa gives incredibly poor first impression, I could try it again a bit later!

>>730667394
As I said I don't play WuWa, so I wouldn't know

ZZZ would have been a better game if they removed all the live service slop.
There's too many pointless upgrades, events, menus and other shit
Just make it a normal single player game

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>>730667437
wife

>>730665981
Who the fuck keeps making this strange rivalry between two games with completely different styes of gameplay?
Why aren't you comparing WuWa to Genshin?
Oh right, its because this is a stealth SHiN thread and this is his weird headcanon rivalry.

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>>730665981
I just care the ZZZ porn

>>730665981
Completely different gameplay types better to compare wuwu to genshin

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>>730667437
>Also, I just prefer storytelling and characters in HSR.
So you prefer sitting 10h for a mid story every patch with zero camera work nor cutscenes with low quality graphics in the big 2026?
I pity you anon.

>>730665981
ZZZ has better butts

>>730667815
that is to say: ZZZ has butts

>>730667437
I agree, yeah, the first 3 acts in 1.0 of Wuwa are definitely a poor first impression. They slam you with exposition dumps with weird, unfamiliar terms, and they saddle you with two characters that just happen to have two of the worst VA performances in the game right off the bat. I think it starts picking up significantly even before 1.0 ends, and the finale of 1.0 is actually pretty cool. I would definitely encourage giving it another chance. 1.1 is significantly better, and then the 1.3 (1.2 was just a temporary festival event so the 1.1 content goes directly into 1.3) is when I feel like you can really feel the game coming into its own, so it really doesn't take that long to get to the point where I feel like you'll notice the game hitting its stride.

I actually also play HSR, and I personally prefer Wuwa's storytelling immensely. They do a much better job with presentation, and I personally really prefer the focus on the protagonist whereas HSR I feel like really failed Trailblazer in the sense that almost the entire time since Belobog, TB has felt like a joke character, sidelined, or both. No one seems to care about the Stellaron in TB's chest or uncovering his/her past, etc. and it's gone on so long now that when Amphoreus' second half finally decided to make TB important again, I can't take it seriously. I really didn't enjoy Penacony and Amphoreus, so I'm hoping 4.0 is an improvement.

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>>730667736
>So you prefer sitting 10h for a mid story every patch with zero camera work nor cutscenes with low quality graphics in the big 2026?
...Anon, I already told you that I don't really like ZZZ's story. Though you got the story length per patch wrong, ZZZ stories are maybe five hours or so. Also the graphics aren't really low quality.

>>730667736
Wuwu fans make me actively not want to try the game no matter how many times I see it

>>730665981
both of the games are break bar, parry slopfest. you can do better, keep looking.

>>730665981
I play and enjoy both. They're very different experiences so it's more of a matter of preference. Wuwa is a more packaged product with its giant open world and its more dynamic combat compared to the stuff currently on the market. ZZZ is a lot more compact comparatively, very action-lite, but it feels more fast and snappy to do things in. Personally I prefer ZZZ more just cause I fuck with the whole urban fantasy setting more than Wuwa's sci-fi thing, and it being more compact makes it easier to pick up and play whereas in wuwa I feel like I have to commit at times with how much there is. Story stuff is whatever, I like/dislike both for different reasons.

Both are just cheap mobile slop.
Just wait for Endfield which is like the only gacha that's an actual game

I started ZZZ recently. Should I be doing all those sidequests? They're kinda boring

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>>730667947
I was talking about HSR since you were talking about that game lmao.
>>730668008
Wow such a fragile mindset.
I'm sure you're the kind of guy who bow his head in public.

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ZZZ has better combat and better girls

>>730668262
Yeah because they all give you polychrome but you can just focus on doing the ones with time limited rewards and then do the others later when you don't know what to do. Though I can imagine how overwhelming it might be to start the game now and see all the side content

>>730667736
wuwa has the better presentation, no doubt about it
but it hasn't gotten me pumped like HSR has yet

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>>730668306
But there's camera work and animations in HSR story.
I have no idea what regular dialog bits in Wuthering Waves are like, but if I had to rank the presentation outside FMVs in the Hoyo games from best to worst, it'd be Genshin > HSR > ZZZ.
...Yes, Genshin is at the top, despite having most dated models. The animation team for that game is really doing their best to make scenes feel lively, and it's always fun to see.

>>730668516
I recalled queues about the world being full and gray and the mc going around and making it colorful ?

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>>730668597
>I have no idea what regular dialog bits in Wuthering Waves are like
https://youtu.be/NncLyZrFulo?si=S2SkNedyk__9kuag&t=5891
Here I used the correct time you'll see what I'm taking about. Watch it for 5 minutes and you will understand.
And that's only one little part of the story.
The presentation in Wuwa is the best in any gacha imo.

>>730665981
The competition between this 2 games and their playerbases is the most forced shit in this site ever. Reddit garbage, go away.

>>730665981
Kind of equal but Wuwa is better right now. 1.x ZZZ was better than 1.x Wuwa but 2.x ZZZ is worse than 2/3.x Wuwa

>>730668597
Pretty much. Genshin has a lot of fun with camera angles and emotions. I just finished the latest ZZZ patch and like 30% of it was white text on black background.
HSR has people move around, at least...
Wuwa is actually doing pretty well in terms of generic cutscenes.

>>730668728
in Wuthering Waves? I only remember making a tree grow or a weird pillar of light in places. The second big zone has several puzzles that are more like what you describe, though.

>>730668597
Here's a pretty good example of what he's referring to, imo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-QFC5Y65Kk

>>730668597
Wuwa is easily the best, just look at the Honami cutscenes. But I guess they really locked in for that region because its not-Tokyo region

>>730668597
Yeah, this scene was really impressive, and well outside the norm from what you normally expect from these games.

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>>730667647
>Ugly bastard
Would you kindly kill yourself?

>>730665981
Genshin impact is by far the best and the only one out of all of them that is a complete game. It's the best action adventure rpg of all time and it also has the best soundtrack of all time. The main quest is hundreds of hours long fully voiced on four languages and spans the largest world in terms of manually designed, content bearing areas, in all of gaming.

Zzz and wuwa unironically eos in 2-3 years

Zzz and wuwa copy gacha model and interface and everything else directly from genshin also

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>>730669782
So true sis.

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ZZZ Combat, Design, Characters, Events, COMBAT, did I mention COMBAT is significantly better than wuwa which has abyssmal floaty combat and literally downgraded genshin open world slop gameplay.
If you enjoy open world and only open world games then play Genshin over wuwa.
If you actually have a soul and enjoy characters that actually look cool, impactful deep combat mechanics and a story that even at it's worst shits all over wuwa's, then play ZZZ.

>>730670000
A fully animated cutscene vs a mid dialogue minigame? Nobody makes dishonest arguments except brown people and women. I'm a white man

I don't do the "sis" thing so that pretty much explains why you have the type of opinions you do in general
>I am so different
>Different that's me
>I can't like the popular thing
>I'll like the less good thing instead, then I implicitly have more value in that smaller group!

I get it but people like me moved past that at 12 or 13 after being stuck in that behavior for like, a year or two.

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>>730670000
you wanna talk about wuwa QTEs?
also, checked

just wait for Endfield

>>730670270
At least the MC isn't doing a sissy dance.

>>730670000
>Pure soulful enjoyment of beautiful rpg setting vs pretending you are having sex with all the rollable units and them all glazing and being in love with the MC

Explains why all people south of the equator prefer Wuwa. Pagpag loser shit. Flawless genshin victory

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>>730670669
Show in-game pic then.

>>730670740
man, Rinascita was PEAK

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ZZZ has the best animations I've ever seen in a game, but it's a boring slogfest. Can't comment on Wuwa because I've never played it, but it's a fucking chinese gacha. How good can it really be?

But the real question is, why the fuck would you play either of them? Just buy and play a real game instead of wasting your time on them

>>730670740
https://youtu.be/-OAA_kus8ME show me something like this, anything of any type, of this level of quality from wuwa

It's 2026 bro nobody cares about default unreal engine graphics. Congrats to wuwa on their unicorn statue or whatever. Wuwa world extremely tiny compared to genshin btw

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>>730666061
>gacha
>playable

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>>730670983
>nobody cares about visual in a video games
LOL
LMAO EVEN
It's not 2019 anymore anon.
You're moving the goal post like a fag.

>>730670983
>Wuwa world extremely tiny compared to genshin btw
actually it's larger and that's the problem (because it's also emptier)

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>>730668915
>>730669072
Okay, these actually looks pretty good. I'd be lying if I said that it wouldn't be cool if HSR scenes were this animated.

>>730669239
I'm hoping they'll do something more with Planarcadia. Personally I did like Amphoreus story, but majority consensus is that it went on for too long... So if they have shorter story updates, they could put more work into presentation, maybe? Would be nice!

>>730669049
In Genshin all the scenes with Jahoda are so great, you can tell that team really likes her! Of course I wouldn't want every character to be like this, but it shows that devs can put the work where it counts.

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>>730671206
they're having tons of fun with her
and Varka is getting turned into a clown too kek

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>>730671069
Wow that looks tiny just like the other place. Just a single room effectively

Imagine if a game had cool areas like that but they were actual full areas that take a couple dozen hours to complete

>>730671075
Large means size with density. Size is irrelevant. Pretty sure genshin is also significantly physically larger and you are wrong anyway.

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>>730671206
The devs at hoyo are just lazy.

>>730671571
>genshin is also significantly physically larger
well yeah, it's got years of content

>>730671573
>Twirlshit

Are they gonna try to hit each other?

>>730665981
I only know ZZZ so I can tell you this:
Don't
-Almost unidimensional characters
-Since it's Mihoyo you will never have real good fanservice (somehow Zhao does have but I think it's because they pass her underwear as shorts)
-Poorly planned world
-The world itself feels super small
-Bad scriptwriters
-Mind numb dialogues that go on and on and on for no reason
-Clearly they don't have an editor
-Teams (characters) come and go making the flow feel even more disjointed
-Gameplay somehow feels even more mindnumbing and shallow than those autorunners, because at least in those you can actually think to build a good team for challenges and PVP
-The plot is only getting worse
Insane budget means nothing if your entire department sucks

I say: just check those trash games on youtube - it's just not worth it the amount of shit gameplay and grinding mixed with all that poor-everything-else

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>>730671571
>Imagine if a game had cool areas like that but they were actual full areas that take a couple dozen hours to complete
Yeah because you have stamina outside of combat, climbing is slow as fuck, movement QoL are locked behind limited characters and their constellations.
Enjoy your slop.
Meanwhile I can enjoy the world by walking or using the wings or bike for free.
>>730671695
You pierce her in the chest with your sword at the end of that cutscene

>>730671820
>do the bank quest
>the stupid wings ruin the view
FUCK

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>>730670812
Yeah Rinascita was good.

>>730665981
just don't play gacha games
>>730666659
based

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WuWa has good "presentation" but the actual story is complete nonsense. None of it means anything or is trying to say anything other than giving you flashy cutscenes to look at. None of it has any stakes because none of the locations or people matter past their designated shilling period.

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>>730672080
Yeah because you're trying to stop the world from destruction lmao
You don't have time to chill in one place you're always on the move trying to locate the Threnodians and stop them (and the Fractsidus)
I find if funny when people use that argument.
"But characters and locations doesn't matter after the shilling period"
Yeah do shit sherlock the world is about to end and you want to stay in one place? And it's a gacha why are we surprised?

>>730672080
I thought the 2.X finale worked out well (except for the avengers crap)

>>730672080
I see this criticism levied at it sometimes, and obviously there's always room for improvement, but 2.7 proved that this isn't the case. All of 2.x built up to it and each main story quest laid the foundation in various ways for the Rinascita finale. They do generally have a major focus on telling complete stories focused on the banner characters each patch, and while I think they could do a better job incorporating previous characters throughout, I think that focus helps keep the pacing from dragging. HSR and Genshin's main stories do a better job of incorporating previous characters, but they also have a major pacing issue that makes long stretches of their main story feel like slogs to get through. I'm curious to see how 3.x turns out.

>>730671820
>You should just be able to fly around everywhere!

But then the weight of the world is trivialized, nothing in regards to exploration has any meaning or feeling to it?

You are a brown person, right? Just clear it up for the thread. I mean it's not an insult so you should have no problem saying I am a brown person

I am a white person and my favorite areas of genshin are slow stamina climby areas :) what would be the point of the world if you just fly around on a motorcycle?

Tons of genshin players like me rejected those movement "qol" characters btw causing their nation to crater and design to be changed for the next nation. Lol! I guess weight matters

Endfield in 10 days.

>>730673917
more like End of Service lmao

>>730665981
>Which one is the better mental illness to have?
I'd take literal schizophrenia over being a gachafag,

>>730673183
The game's survival depends entirely on selling characters and then people shit and piss themselves because the patches are trying to sell characters. If anything, I'm impressed kuro actually manages to make the ads look creative and link them into a coherent storyline that builds on its lore

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>>730665981
Stop shilling your black culture gacha already jamal, it flopped, once, two, three, FOUR TIMES
Give up

>>730665981
take the Chinese where the winds meet pill if you like full character control without fuck tag in.

this is just a counter shill thread to the vg spam from genshin
zzz is worse in every way. wuwa is a better game than genshin
genshin is flawed to its core design and nod krai has been the worst region by far with the laziest designed characters most are unfinished and will never be fixed

everyone is just sunk cost with genshin

I recommend wuwa , cyberpunk collab is coming soon also new region just released and actually playing is fun unlike genshin which is same stale turning and talking animations for the 500th hour of pointless voiceless dialog slowly being typed out with no skip button after 6 years

>>730674461
Wuwas story is not coherent
Genshins is. Star rails was. Zzz is zzz

>>730665981
>Wuwa has a 20 minute reroll period of active gameplay mixed with cutscenes of which several are inexplicably unskippable all for 13 rolls per attempt on sub-1% rates
I don't know about ZZZ but it's hard to imagine it being worse.

>>730665981
You'd have to play both in order to actually know. Its not clearcut and dry which one is better since it will depend on your taste. For example I think wuwa's characters and story are just completely terrible and boring with the exception of Phrolova yet I've heard people saying it has the "best story of all gacha games" by its fans. ZZZ has a fucking awful boring ass story too but its characters are just way more memorable in my mind than wuwa's. In terms of combat,endgame and events they're actually around the same level if you ask me with any advantages being rounded out by disadvantages, like ToA forcing you to have 3 well built teams with cost in order to comfortably clear being rounded out by the fact that wuwa's weapon banner doesn't suck ass or ZZZ's new SD system being awful to get good scores in as a F2P until you realize if you just invest in one of your teams more than the other you can make up the difference absurdly well, more so than what you can do in wuwa

>>730674520
>Collabs

So the game world doesn't stand on its own and they just ruin it with out of universe collab stuff? Completely destroying any immersion/fantasy? Brutal

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>>730665981
Neither
Play Genshin instead. It's the origin of both of those games and a superior experience to both of them as well.

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>>730672080
2.x up until 2.7 showed wuwa is capable of both having good presentation AND story. I have my problems with the story right now but that could easily change, just like it changed with 2.0.

>>730674842
Genshin was great for a long time, but they really haven't managed to keep up with the competition. I think if you play Genshin and only Genshin, it's got a ton to offer because it's got years and years worth of content. But as soon as you try something more recent, it feels awful going back to it.

>>730674661
ZZZ is about as bad. You can skip everything but you are still looking at around 20 minutes to get to rolling, and you dont even get 10 pulls on the limited banner unless you take another 20 minutes.

>>730674819
no its great on its own i just said it released an entire new region to explore and has upcoming exciting new cross over content
genshins new area is low effort and low quality . probably even lower quality than nod krai which already is the worst region and lowest quality content in the entire history of genshin

>>730674842
I tried genshin for about a week a couple years ago. The main reasons why I dropped it are
>boring gameplay
>eXtremely faggy male designs

>>730675089
>but they really haven't managed to keep up with the competition.

That must be why genshin absolutely brutalizes wuwa numerically every month and in terms of art and community engagement overall player count real life events cosplay etc literally every factor lmao

Muh default unreal engine 5 specularity though!!

>>730672080
I tried to start Wuwa twice and never managed to get very far. The dialogues, the storytelling and the characters were so dull I didn’t even want to launch the game. I know it supposedly gets better later, but 1.x is so bad it’s embarrassing.

>>730675315
Oh by the way seasonal anime by ufotable coming as well as studio quality animated feature film

Where's the wuwa ufotable anime lol

>>730675315
nta but is revenue and a big fanbase all genshin has going for it?

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I play both.

>>730675546
Refer to >>730669782

It crushes most RPGs and adventure games in gaming history and has the #1 best soundtrack of all time. The game is historically relevant and if you care about action adventure rpgs it is a must play.

You're a lot younger anon so I will give you something really important to remember

The winner usually wins because they're the best

>>730675517
tbf wuwa already feels like watching a long anime movie every few weeks

>>730665981
They're both dogshit games with a 99% female cast with no depth other than constant MC wank.
WuWa does have at least some semblance of a story, if you were to compare that singular quality.

>>730675315
It has less to do with quality and everything to do with when Genshin came out. It not only was the first gacha game to show that a gacha game could be more than just a shameless cash grab and could actually feel like a real game you'd buy for full price, and maybe most importantly, figured out that approaching monetization in a more generous way would ultimately work to draw in more total players and get more people spending. It was pretty revolutionary and, rightfully, secured a massive fanbase, assisted further by its growing popularity coinciding with covid. As you'd expect, having such a massive audience of loyal players, it's always going to be topping the charts on engagement and player spending. It's kind of like WoW in the MMO space where it became a juggernaut that no one was going to dethrone for years and years.

It's silly to compare them by that metric. Better to focus on the quality of the games themselves, and that's where Genshin has started to suffer. Its age is showing, and hoyoverse doesn't seem to be interested or doesn't seem to be able to improve it to compete with the newer games coming out.

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wuwa is the best gacha. you can prefer other gachas for whatever reason, but objectively speaking, wuwa is the best.

That being said, I would caution anyone from playing gachashit, they are the worst type of live service game. You can drop thousands of dollars on one and then one day the devs will decide to just fuck your shit up out of the blue. Just look at brown dust 2 and the massive wave of censorship they had planned for the game.
>but they walked it back so it's okay
Except it's not because now, even more than before, that sword of damocles will constantly be over every player's head. The dev tried the censor the game once of their own volition. They want to censor it. Now they'll just boil the frog instead of flash frying it.

>>730675927
? The game changes drastically every nation in terms of minigames and shit. The core design isn't going to change mid life. Why would it? That is simply not how products are made

Genshin impact 2 will be out in 3 or 4 years and will have plenty of refinements :)

>>730676052
Brown dust 2 isn't a game. Genshin and even wuwa are .
You need to spend $5/mo to have a good experience in genshin. I spend 15. The solution to your issue is to spend money like an adult not an insane child. Why would you spend thousands on a game just to play it?

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>>730675718
I'm tired of this high school filler episode. Get to the one with the tribal qt already.

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>>730674475
You are a mindbroken loser

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>>730676285
but Lynae is the only character that interests me...
they all look kinda mid this time

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>>730676207
>Brown dust 2 isn't a game
Neither are genshin and wuwa. Or any gacha for that matter. Genshin pushed the genre forward in a big way, but even the best gacha these days (wuwa) is still just a mobile game larping as a real game.
>The solution to your issue is to spend money like an adult not an insane child
So what do you think your recourse should be when you buy a premium skin and recieve no compensation when it gets censored in a noticeable way? Would you be an "insane child" if you felt scammed?

>>730676398
lynae and sigrika are the only 3.0 designs that look good. the rest are 1.x tier in a bad way.

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>>730665981
Genshin.
But if you feel overwhelmed by too much content, go for ZZZ.
Wuwa is just a recycling station. Whatever Hoyoverse does they try to copy and replicate it there a year later.

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>>730675089
I actually dropped both HSR and ZZZ and returned to Genshin.
Genshin is the overal better game and the one that feels the least like gacha. The overworld is still fucking magic just like it was day 1 and now you even have Miliastra Wonderland which holds basically infinite potential and even in the state it's in now it's a ton of fun and it's not even finished developing yet. Also the endgame is a lot more fair and fun and doesn't have blatant powercreep like in HSR or makes me feel like I need to have studied at Harvard or something just to max clear something.
Never tried wuwa but from what I've seen it's a bad Genshin clone that doesn't know what makes Genshin good in the first place. Also none of the characters I've seen appeal to me.

>>730675241
The gameplay is fine though
As for the male designs the only faggy ones I'd say are truly faggy are Aether and Baizhu but Aether is getting a skin like tomorrow that fixes him for the most part.

>>730676581
Genshin is best in class at several things. You simply can't make any argument for what you said. Internet only living has made your generation think saying something is an argument. You'd get laughed out of the room

Genshins traversal and world alone with no combat or RPG elements would be a better value game than half of what comes out, and again. Much longer and more varied

Just close the thread instead of trying to undig your grave with that one

>>730676581
>buy a premium skin and recieve no compensation when it gets censored in a noticeable way
When did that ever happen? Chinese literally stab devs for less

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>>730676735
this shit gives me LIFE

>>730676752
I play both, so I'm curios, what are the aspects of Genshin that you feel make it good that it seems like Wuwa lacks?

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>>730676912
natlan was pretty cool too, despite the shit flinging

>>730676793
>Genshin is best in class at several things.
For gacha, it was. That was then, thoever. It's not even the best in class as a gacha anymore. The game is a massive earner even during its lowest periods, so why try harder? Wuwa had to try harder because it was a matter of survival.

https://endfield.gryphline.com/activity/final-prep-orders?inviteCode=9d55d063eb4755e4401f0d7fc067f673

someone click this crap pls, I want to unlock the ch'en team

>>730676052
>objectively speaking, wuwa is the best
True but it's still soulless. It's like nu-SW, they have no plans for their story, they're just doing whatever's popular at the moment. Nobody's invested in Wuwa lore because even devs don't give a fuck about the lore. And I don't think it's going to change in 3.x, so far they just dumped a bunch of random ass new lore on us, explained very little of it and moved on to shilling a character. They just don't care

>>730677010
It's best in class in terms of lore. Name literally any recent anime game with better lore. Subjective, I know, still, name on. And by recent I mean something that's either an ongoing GAAS or came out in 2020s

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wuwa reminds me of those free korean mmorpgs from 15 years ago that were trying to ride the WoW wave but lacked any kind of soul

>>730677291
this but it tries to ride the Genshin wave from 5 years ago

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>>730676735
>>730676912
Good vistas was the one area genshin held easily over wuwa. wuwa is finally catching up with the new area though. It has much longer sight lines, and they're using more tricks to deal with the shit LOD than just slapping fog on everything and calling it a day.

>>730665981
>Shin unable to have a wuwa threads without mentioning other games
>>730663865

>>730677362
That doesn't look good though

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>>730677362
>look, genshin has a motorbike
>quick, put one in wuwa as well
lol have fun playing with magnets next year
that's probably the next thing they will steal considering nod krai, or angels

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I'm getting sick and tired of not-China, mystics and whatnot, I want to go back home, TV mode and renting movies.

>>730677441
I mean he is clearly paid per post and attention, without some actual popular name wuwa threads are dead which should tell you how botted it is

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>>730665981
wuwa and endfield

>>730677593
We don't want you in Endfield threads, Shin.

who's this boogeyman schizo nigga

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>>730665981
These

>>730677362
it does but laha roi is SO FUCKING UGLY AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH

>>730677472
Yes it does.
wuwa was sorely lacking a sense of scale because the previous maps were designed in a way that wouldn't let you see too far from any one spot. And if they couldn't block your vision, they covered the far areas with fog. The new region is much better about this. It's not genshin level yet, but it's getting there.
>>730677506
>genshin has a motorbike
On a single character that's only usable for a few seconds at a time. wuwa's bike is a proper mode of transportation.

>>730677646
Kek good luck, the tranny will use every potential popular gacha to shill that shit

>>730677862
>wuwa's bike is a proper mode of transportation
you'd need it, considering how fucking empty the map is

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>>730676954
I could go on and on about what Genshin does better but here are just a few points:
Genshin knows what good open world design is. Wuwa doesn't.
An argument I see Wuwafags make all the time is that you your mobility and movement options are a lot better in Wuwa. And sure this may be the case but this also means that the overworld's design will suffer for it. For example there's no point in having dense filled areas if you're just going to fly over them most of the time. Also said movement and mobility options also lessen the "payoff" of exploration. The feeling of accomplishment and fulfillment after having scaled a perilous mountain disappears of you just zipped to the top.
Wuwa doesn't have an elemental reaction system or some equivalent that encourages team building. This means that there will be inherently more powercreep as you can't bypass rollchecks with skill and intelligence like you can in Genshin.
Character design is overal better in Genshin too is you ask me but I know this is mostly subjective. That said I do think Wuwa's characters are a lot more grey and dull compared to Genshin's colorful cast.

>>730677862
Sorry it just doesn't look good lol there's nothing that pops in the scene and the lens flare and shit is just badly considered and makes the scene worse

Basically wuwa in a nutshell. Automatic unreal engine "graphics" but lacking any of the design expertise of genshin

I get it, you have to like the less popular thing. I understand. But the shot you posted looks very boring and uncompelling

You can't climb the big space elevator cable thing can you? They copied that from genshin last year. You can climb the cable in genshin.

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>>730677853
I'd understand not liking it because of how alien it looks compared to the previous maps, but calling it ugly is a stretch.
>>730677894
I wouldn't call it empty, but it did feel like there was less to do than rinascita in 2.0.
3.0 as a whole though falls short of what 2.0 achieved.

>>730671571
This is a terrible example of your point because the sacred mountain was just another tiny theme park that you do one sweep through and then it's done forever.

I tried both and dropped both, while I liked both, I just can't stand the whole gacha aspect and the bloat which comes with it. I just want to play a game dude, not stand behind a gajillions event. PGR is unironically the best gacha I have played yet because you can ignore all of it and just play the story chapters which give you a trial character

>>730678115
bjartr woods or whatever is nice but the rest of the zone is a huge fucking pipeline
and mesas
FLAT SURFACES EVERYWHERE

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do genshinbabbs really just scrounge the internet 24/7 glazing everything with their cultist diarrhea speak? i have played genshin for years too but you don't see me going around squeezing off my gacha weenie every time something tangentially related gets mentioned.
there was one of them in the Endfield stream waiting room last night within minutes of it going up and that shit doesn't come on 'til Friday

>>730667316
Sounds really tempting, too bad its a gacha. I just cant be arsed to play this kind of games like if it were a daily chore.

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>>730678225
>FLAT SURFACES EVERYWHERE
Yeah, it's kino. No retarded mountain ranges every 2 feet to block your view because it's the only way they could think of to deal with the game's draw distance.

>>730678115
That's distinctly bad visual design no color blocking anywhere and no real contrast or height variation in the entire scene

It honestly looks extremely amateurish almost AI generated

And unfortunate part of this conversation is many people like you cannot analyze anything for quality and talking on the internet your entire life has made you think your opinions are meaningful. You literally cannot tell the difference between things that are high quality of low quality and need to have this done for you by people like me

Prior to the internet you would not have been confident in your incorrect opinions because when challenged you would have actually had to uphold them in a room which you cannot do. Now you just satisfy yourself that you are correct and everyone else is wrong

That objectively looks bad and if you don't agree you simply don't get it.

>>730665981
>Wuwa
Inferior to ZZZ in all aspects.. except actual gameplay which is much better. Might compete in more areas now with all the new content.
>ZZZ
Superior to Wuwa in all aspects, clearly the Apex of Gacha... if it had actual good gameplay instead of being braindead.. yes even compared to other gacha games. I'm being hyperbolic but that's the gist of it imo. If gameplay is all you care about you'll likely have a better time in WuWa. If you're satisfied with worse gameplay but pretty good everything else ZZZ might be the play. Both are free at the end of the day and both have some nice characters though.

>>730678256
It's the other way around. Wuwatards can't shut the fuck up about Genshin.

>>730678058
>you have to like the less popular thing
I play wuwa because it's the only gacha worth playing, without considering any specific niche. It's as shrimple as that. And even then, only just barely.

>>730678382
Do you have any of your own genshin screenshots you can post?

>>730678514
>enter thread which mentions only wuwa not genshin
>immediately see dozens of genshinbabbs farting and pissing and shidding the place up
so that's a yes then

>>730678115
I don't get why you posted that picture. Is it a nice scenery for wuwa standards?

>>730678616
I have thousands of them. What would be the point of showing them to you when you think drab scenery of flat stones looks like anything?

Nobody cares about "graphics" visuals become pleasurable by design not graphics. I stopped caring about "graphics" in like fucking 2004. How young do you have to be to think unreal engine specularity makes wuwa look better? It's actually insane to think that

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>>730674842
>It's the origin of both of those games
Nope. The origin of ZZZ is HI3, which Genshin owes it's existence to. In other words, kneel!

>>730676954
Nta but the world is way better designed and they already took their based while wuwa world is ugly and is pure schizohrenia because they clearly want the yumecels money but want to keep the waifus appearances BUT they still add males just in case (they were begging AK fujos to draw fanarts of their males) and a narrative too afraid of having characters even talk.

Someone a while ago posted a YouTube video of a 3D gacha that was isometric with action combat where the player was fighting a dragon. Might have been chibi from what I remember.
Anyone know what this might be?

>>730678808
>I have thousands of them.
Post one of your favorites.

>>730678630
No, your threads die fast until suddenly some mysterious "genshinfag" bumps the threads and you try to farm replies to keep the thread alive
>This company game fans are totally after my product!

>>730678630
Every single wuwa thread will have genshin mentioned without fail. Even in their own general they will bring it up.
Meanwhile the only time wuwa comes up is when wuwatards come to shill their game.
Also this isn't really a wuwa or ZZZ thread its kinda a recommendation thread. So people brining up Genshin in this specific thread is only natural.

>>730678256
>Add zzz
No balls to make a wuthering threads only? Look at the horses, bafags and nikkefags, they have their threads without needing to bait another gacha lmao

uh oh melty

>>730677993
For having already said you've never played Wuwa, you seem pretty sure about some of these points that I would say are pretty untrue. The power creep, for example, is significantly worse in Genshin than in Wuwa. Granted, Wuwa is only in 3.x at this point and Genshin's power creep didn't start going up exponentially until later, but I also find that Wuwa has more freedom in teambuilding precisely because there's no elemental reaction system. You can combine characters much more easily in Wuwa that aren't optimal whereas in Genshin, you're beholden to the elemental reactions, meaning many team combinations simply don't even work.
As far as exploration goes, I do think overworld design is still Genshin's strongest point. It also has more "surprises" in it than Wuwa does, like doing weird things to find hidden chests for example. That being said, the difference in design philosophy doesn't necessarily make one worse than the other. Wuwa leverages its superior mobility and movement options and does some really cool stuff with world design that you need those options for. For example, some of the Rinascita areas have a level of verticality that wouldn't be possible without their flight system. You seem to put more value on the effort and payoff of exploration, whereas I think the design philosophy for Wuwa has leaned more towards easier but more "fun" exploration and making moving through the world feel better, like how 3.0 now has a customizable motorcycle a map designed around it.
Anyway, I enjoy both games, and I think it's silly to speak so assuredly about one you haven't played. I get the subjective part about the character designs. I've ended up gravitating more towards Wuwa's because Genshin's generally feel a bit juvenile for me these days, and I don't really like their body proportions.

I tried both and ended up sticking with wuwa. Wuwa's story and presentation is good, girls are cute and dailies are so minimal you dont even have to do them, which is probably the only game that has ever been the case for me.

I can't say much about zzz. I played in 1.0, the TV thing was awful and the story suffered from the same issue their other games do, a whole lotta words for saying very little, which is arguably a Chinese writing thing in general, of which wuwa was also guilty of in 1.0. Otherwise the character models and animations are great but the designs are hit and miss. A side note but never involve yourself with mihoyo communities. Just don't.

You shouldn't play gacha in general though.

>>730678256
>>730677593
>Hello fellow endfieldfags we wuwafags are your friends against genshin
Predictable marketing tool
Rip Endfield threads

>>730678895
Genshin is what put Hoyo on the map though, not HI3. And it is ironic that now Genshin is also the thing that sustains HI3.

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>>730679038
Okay

>>730679229
>clearly stated I also play genshin
>have a pant-shitting meltdown about how "you heckin' hate genshin saaaar!"
change your diapy genshinbabb

>>730679336
something without a character blocking the view. we're talking about vistas after all.

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>>730679232
Yeah, because they dumped all of HI3's money into the game and adverts, during covid. HI3 was trying to be the bare minimum of game whilst everyone was shitting out .png collectors and auto-battlers.
>And it is ironic that now Genshin is also the thing that sustains HI3
Children are supposed to take of their elderly parents.

>>730679183
Thanks chatgpt

>>730679413
The character isn't blocking the view

Notice how the artists had to try exponentially harder to make this than the zzz bullshit you posted

>>730665981
>I want to play gacha
Transition to a woman and then kill yourself

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>>730679038
>pls pls give me a chance to shit on your pictures too!
fine, here's a low quality screenshot i took long time ago
you can even distinguish real locations far away on the map on it, unlike your game where image becomes blurry not even a mile away

>>730677084
Dunno if it was someone here but thanks

>>730665981
Wait for Arknights Endfield

>>730665981
zzz is made for 40 iq adhd seaniggers and indians, literally. play wuwa

>>730679452
I didn't realize chatgpt made typos in its responses.

/efg/ when

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>>730679579
that's funny considering wuwa actually hires indians for their socials

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>>730679706
>a minor typo
lol

>>730679706
>this and Geoff butchering the name live
why did they choose that name kek

>>730679336
the music here is fucking great

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>>730679818
>saar is just a typo pls ignore saar
What about that type when they posted Augusta with Mavuika's eyes because even their AI mistook the character since they just copy/paste it?

>>730679993
lmao wtf

>>730679894
no, it sucks because it makes me cry every time

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>>730679183
I only said that there would inherently be more powercreep but that doesn't mean this is the case right now. Like you said they are only in 3x so it might take a while longer to show up. That said I still feel that having an elemental reaction system is better. It allows for old/bad units to shine given the right setup. I never imagined I'd see the day that Amber(a 4* free starter unit) became meta for example. Amber's damage is irrelevant in this case but because she's a pyro and has insane application with her burst she's meta now. I don't think you'll ever see a case like this happening in Wuwa.
As for exploration you raise a fair point. Maybe I'm a little jaded in this aspect as a lot open world games I've seen and played that had superior mobility options compared to just running, climbing and gliding felt like they had lackluster world design because of it. As I haven't played Wuwa I can't really comment on it's world design much but it's just that the whole zipping and flying around felt like a red flag to me.

>>730678956
Stella Sora? Be prepared, I heard the gacha is extremely jewish

>>730680223
you heard wrong, you got dumped on by eceleb grifters

>>730680195
nta but Wuwa is already getting powercrept heavily. If you're using 1.x characters, 3.x is mogging you HARD. Even with off-meta 2.x characters I take way too long to clear random ass mobs, it's like the whole thing is balanced around 2.x meta parties from the start

>>730679993
Okay? The AI made a mistake? Do you think I'm delusional to not think a large chinese company isn't using AI? I sincerely hope you aren't delusional enough to think mihoyo isn't using AI too. None of this changes the fact jeets only play mihoyo games.

>>730674475
and yet it's still higher than wuwa lmao

>>730665981
Can't speak for WuWa.
But ZZZ has a healthy modding community and you won't get in trouble for modding the game as long as you don't do something retarded like posting a screenshot with your UID visible.
I've modded a few characters. Only their in-game appearance, just to make it a bit more sexy.
Like YiXuan's black outfit, I downloaded a mod that removes those weird sleeve things and deleted her underwear under her skort.

>>730680507
pretty much every country prefers mihoyo over kuro so idk what you want me to say

>>730680223
I thought that might be it, but I can't find the specific dragon boss fight footage I remember. What I watched looked a bit more grounded than this

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>>730665981
Wuwa is great

>>730680660
Yes, the 5yr old covid game is more popular than the 1.5yr old game, but jeets overwhelming only play Genshin. A simple look at google trends show this.

>>730680579
>Like YiXuan's black outfit, I downloaded a mod that removes those weird sleeve things and deleted her underwear under her skort.
Can you mod in the paid outfit for the default spot to pirate them yet though

>>730681080
prove it

OP attracted all the jeets to his shitty thread
Sad!

>>730681171
Probably not. At least not from banana.
Hoyo probably cracks down on that.

>>730681319
yeah, sad to see so many Genshin glazers

>>730665981
I have 600 hours on wuwa and I can tell you right now don't even bother with the endgame modes or hologram bosses as they are whale territory and you will not complete them unless you shell out hard. I have spent a couple hundred on the game and still cannot clear and I come from a background doing challenge runs on the original devil may cries and ninja gardens so it doesn't matter how good you think you are at video games you won't clear endgame being a low spender or f2p. I haven't played ZZZ enough to comment.

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>>730681316
Not my first rodeo proving this.
India, notice how there is nothing intersecting with Genshin besides WuWa's launch, after the jeets realised their PCs were too shit to run it.
Then you have SK, where Genshin is still the most popular, but still intersects with other games.

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>>730681739
graph looks like everywhere else in the world retard

>>730681739
that only proves koreans like wuwa more than other parts of the world

>>730681962
Pandering to Korea is dangerous. They will drop a game over a single bad decision.

>>730682039
>They will drop a game over a single bad decision
As they should. Gacha devs should live in constant fear that they are one slip up away from losing their entire playerbase.

>>730681962
>the soulless country obsessed with vanity and status like the soulless slop with flashy effects
not surprised

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>>730665981

ZZZ is a fun time waster, Wuwa is a decent game with absolutely retarded story.

Just wait for Endfield instead.

>>730681690
>hologram bosses
>whale territory
Holograms are probably the most f2p friendly part of the "endgame" since all you have to do is beat the boss.

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>>730681848
>Worldwide
Again, no shit Genshin is more popular worldwide. Let's look at Japan, Genshin is still clearly the most popular, but there isn't a fucking chasm between it and everything else like in India.

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>>730681962
Koreans are obsessed with self insert powerwank slop and seethe like babies when female characters like anything that's not their self insert MC.

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>>730682424
are you stupid?

>>730679232
>>730679434

HI3 made Hoyo big because thanks to it they had experience with high budget AAA gachas while everybody else was making pathetic FGO clones.

can we just skip to the 22nd already

>>730682605
>Breaking it down by country
>Retard is still posting worldwide
Come on man, at least pretend to be sentient.

>>730682883
to show you that it's the same but it looks like you don't understand how graphs work

>>730682927
Man, it's like I already said that Genshin is more popular worldwide, like 3 times. Anyway, the point is that Genshin is the de facto jeet gacha.

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>>730683197
de facto slav chad game actually

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>>730682585
Meanwhile you, the "sane adult"
>weehh weehh where is my shipfaggotry!
>t. shipfag
Stop pretending like you aren't just as shallow or even more laughable, have some sort of moral high ground to stand on, when you are just trying to push your own retarded preference - One, mind you, that was created by you being swamped in your social media bubble, convincing yourself that your fanfiction tier shittaste in character relationships is the normalfag baseline, when more often than not it relies on the asinine assumption that the main character shouldn't be the center of their own story, when most literary fiction back to some of the earliest works in human history disagrees. At least self-insert fags are honest about what they want, while you try to out-reddit the competition with your thinly veiled bullshit.

>>730683938
Sure, but it's still the only gacha jeets play too.

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>>730684305
I thought a funny name for wuwa was Copying Waves but I guess Coping Waves makes just as much sense lmao

the tripfag shill started his shift to earn that 0.02 indonesian rupiah per post

>He's here

>>730666306
>cutscenes for the main story missions are some of the best I've seen in any gacha, they're arguably triple A game tier

They're way above triple A game tier... They're like the absolute best you can get on the planet for this anime-style 3D animation. All of the 3D modelling ppl I know from work think so too

>>730681690
I think you may have a fundamental misunderstanding of the combat if you're unable to complete endgame modes or hologram bosses, especially if you've shelled out money. I haven't spent a single cent and full starring ToA and SSS-ranking Whimpering Wastes is pretty trivial for me.

>>730665981
>one is popular thing but listens to fans
>other is walking honkai clone abortion with no identity

>>730684361
jinny...... winny.................. *bleeds brain fluid from nose*

>>730684393
What cope, I am simply looking at the graph. Jeets don't play wuwa, they don't play HSR and they don't play ZZZ. They only play Genshin.

>>730684931
you can literally see that's wrong in the picture you posted but you'll keep saying otherwise because you're mentally retarded

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But WuWa is fun though!

>>730685072
>What is a hyperbole
You can try and cope all you want, but the numbers won't change.

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WuWa is indeed a fun game though...

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This is actually a great team. Yeah, for now, Chisa's outro doesn't make sense here since Lynae and Yooner don't inflict any debuffs (Lynae and Yooner duo is an effective red tower team by the way), but generally this team is great against void storms.

>>730684753
It's okay you can lie if you want, the OP will see it anyway if they don't whale it doesn't matter to me I'm just letting them know before wuwa is no different from other gachas in the sense you can't do everything unless you whale.

>>730685925
I need her to findom me

>>730686304
You can easily pull up videos of people soloing holograms with Spectro Rover. Seriously, you should pull up some guide videos or something on the characters you use.

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>>730679413
Genshin's photo mode is clunky and that's normally the only way to get a screenshot without the character in the center of the screenshot.
The character is rarely going to detract from the view, though.

>>730686670
>400 hours min-maxing echoes
>resetting 1000 times till you get the run you crit on every attack
No thanks, youtuber runs who play this game 20 hours a day doesn't really disprove my point that the average player (not average in skill just anyone that plays) cannot get anywhere unless they S6 every character. Like I said though OP will see it soon as they enter endgame areas.

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>>730665981

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Will WuWabwos roll for Morning in a couple of days?

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>>730665981
ZZZ is boring and Wuwa is by far the most enjoyable 3D gacha.

I like wuwa, nikke, and umamusume. But wuwa is very fun to play and is a well made game.

>>730687219
Neither of those are necessary. All my characters are S0R1 or S0R0 and I have zero difficulty. I have Ruler of the Tower and Legend of the Deep titles, and I never reset runs for crits. Always have a pretty comfortable amount of time left on the timer, too.

It's very funny to me how the new void hunter in zzz plays like a wuwa character and I just hate it
Its so god dam not interactive
It's so boring to just do a simple rotation and completely ignore all the boss mechanics compared to the regular interactions and diferent fixes all the chars have to do to add parry's and evades in their rotations
I regret getting her completely and it makes me remember why I dropped wuwa, hope they don't make more characters like this

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play wuwa, get lynae and cartethyia.

you NEED cartethyia. she can literally solo if you want.

>wuwa, genshin, honkai, all have generic anime uwu characters
>zzz has robots and furries and construction workers
I cant play any other gacha desu.

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>>730687814
What people tend to forget in these endgame is to be active NOT reactive. It saves a lot of time and most of the time the enemies react to you this so you dictate the pace.

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>>730687936
react to you this way*

>>730687849
The only WuWa content where you can ignore enemy mechanics is wiwa and rogue-lite mode where the point is to steamroll enemies. I can only assume you RC6'd everyone if you're doing fights like Sentry without dodging.

ZZZ has
>better community
>better patches
>better girls
>fun story

Wuwa has
>community full of disingenuous retards
>insecurity towards hoyo games
>shit story

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>>730667002
>Wuwa. I don't play AI games.
Anon... all of Hoyo's AI hiring is confirmed to be for future games, while Wuwa is confirmed to be using AI right now.

How do you clear the added extra nodes to the hazard tower? Literally impossible.

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>>730688938
1.) Clear the white towers with one unit that's favorable for those floors. This saves your healer some slots for harder floors.

2.) Save units for the red tower with the right elements. Red tower floors 1-2 right now favors Aero and Spectro for example.

3.) Save your best units to clear the last 2 floors. Any team will do that can hit hard since there are no elemental restrictions. Just avoid any debuff conditions imposed by these floors.

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>>730689859
How I beat the floors.

>>730666534
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWlBKGAzgd0

do you like fun? then play wuwa.

>>730688484
>all of Hoyo's AI hiring is confirmed to be for future games
Surely you aren't that gullible.

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Lynae is fun...

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If you're a lying jeet, play wuwa
If you're a normal person, play literally anything else

Some of the most famous content creators from wuwa can't stop talking about hoyo games since it brings them more money than only talking about wuwa. If they got famous talking shit about hoyo while glazing on wuwa's fatal flaws then their players are most likely the same.

This is why you should never bother with Wuwa

>>730691454
very fun, you do lots of damage while moving and jumping around

also, she's Asuna + Marin combined.

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>>730691832
Yeah, her jump 3x to do a big plunge attack is great and lets you avoid getting hit too.

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>WuWa literally stole pic related and aged her up
WuWa has no shame about it. However, Genshin literally stole the fuck out of BoTW so it's all fair. In China, plagiarism doesn't really have the same negative connotations it has over here.

>>730691674
Why do pagpags use "jeet" as insult? You guys aren't much better, don't let the jeet hate get to your head

>>730692537
who?

>>730677542
I hated how ZZZ sold us on this idea of "post apocalyptic, but actually only 15 minutes into the future and everyone is dressing in urban streetcore fashion" and then the second we hit 2.0 the NotChina shilling and dicksucking began.

That was exactly when ZZZ lost me. Without its stylistic presentation it doesnt have nearly as much appeal. Felt the same in the desert during the biker chapter too