the last 5 minutes when they tell you to kill yourself and shame you if you refuse

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>world is gonna end and only YOU can save it by going into the radioactive room
>Yes, YOU MUST sacrifice yourself to save the world
>No you can't send your radiation immune companions to do it for you
>NO you don't get to continue to play after the story ends
>Ok fine you can survive and continue but you have to buy the BoS DLC

>>730668037
When you're no longer brown.

>>730668258
>heroic self sacrifice
>you have to enter in the number of your mother's favorite bible verse
>"I am the Alpha, and the Omega. The beginning and the end"
>game starts with your birth and ends with your death

Nah, this is kino, and I'm not going to pretend.
The only bad thing is that they didn't get Ron Perlman back in to re-record a new end slide voice so you don't get shamed for sending in a radiation-immune follower to do it for you. Also Broken Steel continuing the main story kind of feels weak.

>>730668037
When you switch the game to fallout n*w v*gas

>>730668037
never, because you're post-op

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So this is why Bethesda fans are so fucking annoying...

When you have to engage with any of the poorly written quests. Just exploring is pretty fun.

>>730668037
As long as you have broken steel it doesn’t

>>730668037
it never gets good

>>730668667
The ESL jeet strikes again

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>>730668037
Depends on what you prioritize
>story
Act 3. Even considering it's trying to be a Michael Bay movie, shit just gets too retarded at that point and you really just want to be done with the whole thing.
>gameplay
When the Albino Radscorpions show up. Fuck those stupid bulled sponges.
>exploration
There aren't actually that many interesting locations in the game, so Bethesda decided to spread them out so you'd have a reason to explore, but that means the player has to walk through a bunch of "nothing" before finding cool stuff. The Capital Wasteland has enough charm to sustain that approach for a few hours, but after that, you're looking at the wiki to learn where the rest of the locations are.
>TL;DR
Around 10 to 12 hours in.

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>>730668037
when you get back to the main quest, especially in Little Lamplight, if you just keep doing exploring and side-questing then the game is good.

>>730669494
Where did this meme even come from anyway?
Fallout 3 never even got sold in India because they let you kill the two headed cows.

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>>730668667
>Giving yourself a lethal dose of radiation for absolutely no good reason when there's a guy right next to you who could do it without being affected at all
>Heroic

>>730669987
Some guy started fanatically defending F3 and bashing NV. His broken English made people think he was a Jeet and the meme stuck.
Apparently he's actually Italian but I haven't looked too much into it.

>>730668667
Kill yourself Emil

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>>730668037

>>730670203
and if you don't have Fawkes, RL-3, or Charon with you? then what?

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>>730668037
>forced to be a 19yo kid
>forced to care about your childhood friend
>forced to care about your dad
>forced to fight your way out of the vault
>forced to ally yourself with the brotherhood
>forced to fight the enclave (base game "choice" of going with Eden doesn't matter in Broken Steel)
>writing quality is pic related-tier throughout

>>730670559
>forced to fight the enclave (base game "choice" of going with Eden doesn't matter in Broken Steel)
Fallout 2 also does this to be fair

>>730670407
Then you have no choice. Stripping that choice when it should be available because hurr durr destiny is fucking retarded.

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>>730669987
It comes from Starfield and Microsoft, but some turbo-tourists decided to use it retroactively.

>>730668037
When they bring out the giant robot

>>730670716
Broken steel came out over 15 years ago.

>>730670264
t. NV tranny

>>730670264
>italian
He's an ugly gipsy who thought it was a good idea to post himself on /soc/

>>730670840
Now tell everyone how the game ended before Broken Steel came out.

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>>730670641
this whole faction shit has only been a thing with NV and 4, i for one, want the next Fallout game to be a true return to form and makes us have to face a larger than life enemy that threatens ALL of the wasteland.

>>730670384
one of the best and most kino intros ever while 2 has one of the worst

>>730670941
I already did. I think it was a better ending all things considered.

>>730670840
And Fallout 3 was in development for 4 years. Four years during which Emil and Todd unironically thought the original ending was decent, let alone good.

>>730668037
just ignore the main story quest, it gets bad after you do the thing with the the Irish nigger

f3 gameplay and story are bad
but the map is cool and there is great atmosphere

nv gameplay is the same but the story is better
map is super boring, all sand

f4 has no toggle aim option, no fov slider,
still on that fucking jank engine, ruined survival mode
but the power armor is cool

>>730668037
If you care about the story? Immediately.
If you just want to loot, explore, and kill some mutant creatures? Never.

the biggest flaw with 3's ending is that both Fawkes and Charon exists, i think conceptually it isn't that bad, is even kind of kino since you actually had to sacrifice yourself for the wasteland like your father which also ties together nicely with some of the religious themes the game has, it's a grim ending where you don't get a happy ending like in FO1.

Why the fuck does this game get shilled so much on here? I genuinely don't understand. They're all saying the same shit too

>>730668037
The dlc suck the last one ruins leveling also the base story is pointless and very boring. I'd also add that it runs like dog shit and didn't for most of its life. For the most part the biggest problem is albino rad scorpions and super mutant overlords the bullet sponges to end all bullet sponges.

>>730671447
>don't get a happy ending like in FO1
Nigga what? you get exiled from your home for no other reason than the fact that you're an icon to aspire to be like.

>>730671447
>the biggest flaw with 3's ending is that Fawkes and Charon exist
I'd argue the issue is moreso that they let them enter the chamber with you. Would've been as simple as either having them stay back to protect the entrance from Enclave, or have the ceiling collapse and them trapped on the other side.

>>730671337
>map is super boring, all sand
Hi, Anakin.

>>730671569
i meant that just like in FO1, where the Vault Dweller gets exiled for saving both his vault AND the wasteland, the lone wanderer loses his family, home and life just to give the wasteland a chance to improve, both games have bittersweet endings where you leave the wasteland a better place than it was but you personally do not gain a lot from the effort, should have phrased that better.

>>730668037
When you grow up

>>730671447
>since you actually had to sacrifice yourself for the wasteland
No, you kill yourself for no reason to solve a problem that nobody (aside from your father) seems to care about.
>like your father
Your father killed himself for no reason. Even with the purifier under their control (which happens anyway), the Enclave are too dumb to make it run (even assuming it would be a bad thing, considering they couldn't possibly control where the purified water goes once they clean the entire basin). In fact, by "sacrificing" himself he puts you in harm's way (just like he did when he escaped the vault). He's 100% a lying piece of shit, and possibly a sociopath as well.

>>730671845
Better die in the radiation oven than get a sequel in which all your offspring are a bunch of bone through the nose cavemen.

>>730672059
oh for sure, the story is still riddled with problems outside the ending no doubt, i'm just saying that the core idea of the ending wasn't that bad and if handled properly it could have been very good, too bad that wasn't what happened.

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>>730672059
>solve a problem that nobody (aside from your father) seems to care about
It is pretty funny how Bethesda put a dude asking for water at the entrance of Megaton to try and foreshadow the main quest conflict. Instead they managed to both make him an annoying guy that never shuts the fuck up, and also make the water problem seem a non-issue because you can play for several in-game months without interacting with him and the dude's still alive. Hell, you enter Megaton itself and the water pipes are leaking supposedly precious water, and nobody gives a shit when they should all be acting like pic related.

>>730668667
Literally all they had to do to was contrive a reason that your companions don't go in with you. Even if it's just something half-assed like having to stay back to hold off Enclave reinforcements.

>>730671337
Yeah, Which is why I think TTW is the best way to experience both games. NV has the far better quests but it’s fun to go around the capital wasteland killing and looting shit, it’s just constant conflict there

>>730672209
>i'm just saying that the core idea of the ending wasn't that bad and if handled properly it could have been very good
>if the games was good then it would've been a good game
No shit.
Besides, even if you fixed the ending, the rest of the game would remain mediocre at best. The garbage ending unironically saved the game from a lot of negative scrutiny.

>>730668506
Use your brain NV secondarie. Just think Super Mutant companion wasn't with you when you enter the last mission. Done.

>>730673025
Ok, I imagine I had the robot instead. What now?

They should have just made an excuse for your companies to not follow you into Project Purity in the end. Like Prime could only get two people in so it would just be you and Lyons

>>730673138
Now imagine I'm hand holding with your mother and we share romance poems to each others while you are in the corner

>>730668037
The moment the Enclave arrives, everything before that is good.

>>730673449
Now imagine that I'm playing Burnout Revenge on the PS2 with you

>>730668258
Imagine playing the entire game and not understanding the ending, faggot

>>730673870
Good run, buddy!

>>730668037
I can't get over how ugly the game looks

>>730668037
The intro.
I'm not against the concept but it's a pretty terrible way to start the game. Either make it as short as a skippable intro video (i.e. Fallout 1) or give us a long section in the Vault spanning a couple of hours (with multiple paths/endings) before shoving you outside.

>>730668506
They actually could have worked around this by having the room explode or some shit. In one ending you die before it explodes because of the radiation overload so you get your normal hero death, in another you die because it failed and blew up so everything you did was pointless.

>>730668037
It's not Troon Vegas. It's actually good all along.

post well modded gameplay

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>>730668506
>Company hears major complaint and fixes it.
>NOOOOOO! You can't just make the game better and completely nullify my complaint! I need to seethe!
You're such a faggot.

>>730668037
>watch the e3 demo
>todd says "maybe" you can be friends with the BoS
>where the game forcibly railroads you into working for them
Kind of weird considering how they are the only one of two factions in the game and it expects you to do everything for them

>>730672267
They really shouldn't be acting like that at all since people on the west coast figured out the water situation within like 30-50 years and slightly before the start of fallout

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>>730670559
>>forced to be a 19yo kid
Oh no, the character has an age. No game has ever done that before. I can't possibly enjoy a game in which I can't control a character's age!
Also...
>19yo
>kid
You're such a faggot.
I'm not reading anything else you typed.

>>730675726
True most 29 year olds are still very much kids

>>730675621
Nothing wrong with inventing a scenario where, for some arcane reason (that hopefully make some degree of sense eventually), water just can't get purified no matter how hard they try.

>>730668037
For me it was the town that gets attacked by vampires or whatever? You just had horrible dialogue choices, nothing made sense to me and I felt frustrated I could not roleplay the way I wanted and quit.

>>730675726
>No game has ever done that before.
Correct, Fallout games allowed you to have a bit more freedom when making a character.

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>>730675726
>No game has ever done that before
No great RPGs has ever done that, indeed.
>not reading anything else
It's fine, I'll accept the concession.

>>730670559
>Fallout 1
>forced to be a vault dweller
>forced to care about your vault
>Fallout 2
>forced to be retarded tribal
>forced to care about your tribe

this is a hilarious thing to answer when the game opens with an extremely railroaded 2 hour tutorial

>>730670559
>forced to be courier
>forced to care about politics and a war over a dam even though you literally are not local to the area

>>730676479
>forced to be courier
In so far as you delivered one (1) package. That's it. A far cry from stating your first and only 19 years of life, and your affiliations
>forced to care about politics and a war over a dam
You're quite literally not

>>730676584
>You're quite literally not
You’re a completely disingenuous faggot. How can you say the game doesn’t force you to care about the politics and battle of hoover dam

>>730668037
>Bethesda game
Right after launch.

After you leave the vault.

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>>730671447
>kino since you actually had to sacrifice yourself for the wasteland like your father
Your dad dies pointlessly too.

>>730676206
As you can see they both allow for a lot of freedom in creating your own character, although Fallout 2 is quite restrictive considering all the Chosen One nonsense but that doesn't mean that you should restrict the player even more in a future title.
>>730676479
New Vegas has the greatest freedom of all of them, to a fault.
Also, the Dam isn't really relevant initially (just like you're not supposed to care nor know about the Mutant threat in Fallout, but you're instead incentivized to go out there and explore to fix the water problem in your Vault). What pushes you to explore in NV is the person who shot you in the head and left you for dead, which has next to nothing to do with the NCR/Legion/Vegas conflict (at a first glance).

>>730676663
Because it doesn't. In F3 you're meant to have personal stakes on everything that happens because "muh father muh mom's dream of clean water". If you don't give a shit about the war and have no stakes in it in NV, you just remain a mercenary for hire for House because he pays well and that's it, and you fuck off to explore the Mojave for the other 90% of time without it feeling contrived because there's no missing father you supposedly really really really REALLY care for. And the less is said about Shaun, the better.

>>730676870
No it forces you to care about Hoover Dam because the game doesn’t end unless you partake in the battle. Once you deliver the chip there’s no narrative reason for the courier to stay, but leaving Vegas isn’t an option so you HAVE to force your character to care about the politics of Vegas

>>730676697
>cap rads resist to 85%, no amount of rad-x will make you immune to rads
>give cutscene powers to NPC so he can be immune to radiations to move the plot toward a pointless twist
Just... Why?

>>730676943
>no need to talk about Shaun
You mean the most complex and interwoven plot piece in any fallout media ever

>>730674562
>still no replies
got it, fo3 is another ironic /v/core bait

>>730676943
Where’s the “I don’t care about vegas and want to fuck off after delivering the chip, I’m a courier not a resolver of geopolitical conflicts.” Oh wait it doesn’t exist.

>>730668037
when you run install.exe

>>730677269
>Where’s the “I don’t care about vegas and want to fuck off after delivering the chip, I’m a courier not a resolver of geopolitical conflicts.”
You're free to go around to do side-quests and never involve yourself in the main conflict. What exactly do you want, ending slides after fixing a molerat's leg?

>>730677269
What part of "in F3 you're supposed to explicitly care about the main quest to the degree you should rushed to do it ASAP because the main character's dad's life is at stake, while in New Vegas the free roam is encouraged because to you it's just another random job once you've taken revenge on Benny and there's no rush for anything which means you can fuck off do side content for 40 hours" did your brain not understand?

>>730677398
That’s a shitty cope you can say that about any fallout game. Nah the game doesn’t end until you get involve in Hoover Dam. If the game was smart and well written it would let you leave vegas after delivering the chip and force the credits. Not your job, not your problem.

>>730677502
The part where every major faction in Vegas sits with thumbs up their asses waiting for you to move the plot forward

>>730675425
Broken Steel still doesn't fix the fact they called you coward for sending your radiation immune super mutant, also you're admitting the original ending is crap by saying that.

>>730677628
>If the game was smart it would let you leave vegas
But you can... you do realize you don't even start in Vegas, right? Are you alright in the head?
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I OBVIOUSLY MEANT THE MOJAVEEEEEEEEEE
Alright, so where's the limit then? Where should the map end for you to be content? The entirety of America?

>>730677745
>every major faction in Vegas sits
But they don't, they scheme against each other and arm up for the end of the cold war between the last Battle of Hoover Dam and the next one. I can't help but notice you haven't been able to argue yet how F3 (and F4) desperately want and fail at you caring for their main quests by *directly* tying the main character's unchanging backstory with a family member you're meant to seek and save, which isn't present in New Vegas. The Courier is a complete blank slate save for doing a job once in their entire life living in the wasteland. *Everything* else, empty for you to roleplay. Now, knowing my beloved father Liam Neeson is out there and he needs my help, why would I spend 70 hours doing sidequests?

>>730677951
>want to play FO3 again
>remember the "post-war" sequences

no thanks
game shit

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pic related you newfags
guaranteed all of you are fucking newfags

>>730676996
Considering the politics of New Vegas cover a big arrange of factions and possible outcomes, I don't really see the issue on that. Hell, you could just go to Yes Man because you want to kill people and not much more.

fallout 3 is literally better than new vegas. only redditors think new vegas is better.

>>730678381
It doesn't even have ironsights lmfao

>>730678000
>But you can... you do realize you don't even start in Vegas, right?
This is a bad gotcha attempt because the point was a credit screen retard the least you can do is actually read the post dumbass
>Oh but the major factions in Vegas scheme…
And then they do nothing. If the game was smart and well designed the game would have a timer you know like the first fallout which is well made. After a certain point the battle of Hoover Dam should start with or without you. As it stands, everyone waits until you do something because the courier isn’t a real character but a walking plot device

>>730678381
Ok, let's assume this was true.
What then? Fallout 3 is still a bad game, all you did was calling New Vegas worse than that.

>>730678291
Alright, I’m sure the conflicts in America affect a lot of the world. Doesn’t mean I have to enlist or write to my congressman or whatever. I can just go to work, most do

>>730678557
>the least you can do is actually read the post dumbass
I did, which is why I replied the way I did
>and then they do nothing
How long do you believe the scheming over a war that'll decide the fate of the state done between tribals and the poorly equipped external limbs of a democracy too long for its own good normally take, and how long do you believe a regular NV playthrough tends to take in in-universe days?

>>730678452
let me guess. you need MORE.
>>730678570
it's pretty kino-esque, actually. alien dlc was pretty fun.

>>730678712
I need todd and emil to understand shanty towns went out of vogue 195 years ago in lore.

>>730678557
>credit screen
No need to start a new game, you can see those from the main menu anything you wish.
>hurr durr timed plot
Never going to happen. Fallout 1 got a lot of backlash for it to the point it was effectively patched out and when they made New Vegas they actually tried to make a game for the Fallout 3 audience.
It's not an argument and you know it.
I do agree that it would be cool if there was some kind of timed schedule of events moving the world without your influence, but ultimately something like this would scare publishers.

>>730678708
>I did, which is why I replied the way I did
Then you have poor reading comprehension or you would realize that the point is that it ends the game stupid, you wouldn’t have to ask how far is far enough.
>How long do you believe the scheming over a war that'll decide the fate of the state done between tribals and the poorly equipped external limbs of a democracy too long for its own good normally take
Considering the Legion are already attacking California towns its way sooner rather than later. However this is irrelevant you can mess around as long as you want and the more you play the dumber this because as weeks become months. Again why can a game from 1997 do what a game from 2010 cannot. The urgency because a game mechanic instead of something the player has to imagine away.

>>730678984
>No need to start a new game, you can see those from the main menu anything you wish.
You know you being coy about this just means you can’t actually argue why there isn’t a fuck off from vegas option and get an ending option.
>they made New Vegas they actually tried to make a game for the Fallout 3 audience. It's not an argument and you know it.
Actually that is my argument, glad you came to the point I was trying to make

>>730679176
>Then you have poor reading comprehension
But unlike you I realized the difference between Mojave and Vegas?
>the point is that it ends the game stupid
Sounds like a (You) issue.
>the Legion are already
As in, *just* when the game starts. Not a week ago, not a day ago. Nipton's fires are still fresh.
>However this is irrelevant
I'll accept the concession
>why can a game from 1997 do
https://fallout.wiki/wiki/Fallout_patches#Patch_1.1

The problem with 3 is that no one acts human in the main storyline. It feels like a fantasy story written for children. You're given a generic bible quote that the entire main story is based on. When you manage to find your father he basically disregards you as a son and more of a tool to get rid of shit experienced wastelanders can barely deal with in groups and has barely said anything other than "Project purity" before the Enclave show up and kill him. Then the Brotherhood grab you and treat you, someone who at most hasn't seen even half the shit their recruits have as some sort of special ops soldier. Then once you miraculously complete every mission they send you solo on, you're told by an intelligent super mutant immune to radiation, a robot designated to serve you, and a ghoul brainwashed to do your bidding that you, a normal human have to go into the elephant's foot room and die.

>>730679867
Why are you so dumb?

>>730679867
The older games weren't any better

>>730678381
F3 is legitimately one of the worst games I've ever played and quite literally torturous to play halfway in. I don't know why shitskins are willing to die on this hill. You're better off praising F4 which is infinitely better but still a bad game

>>730679805
>going on about semantics between vegas and mojave as if this somehow nullifies the point.
>link a patch as if it means it wasn’t possible to make the game events actually have some level of urgency
Sad and dishonest post. Do all FNV fans argue this way?

>>730680213
>going on about semantics
It's not "semantics" to know the distinction between a city and the 140,000 km2 terrain around it.
>link a patch as if it means it wasn’t possible
...I link a patch showing they patched out X and what you get out of that isn't that the developers decided against X in '97 so keeping it around in '10 would be even more absurd, but rather that me linking a patch showing they patched out X is meant to show it wasn't possible to have X... even though the patch shows they had X... precisely because that's the patch in which they patched *out* X...

Are you alright in the head, lad?

>>730679867
>When you manage to find your father he basically disregards you as a son
The intro shows how he was obsessed with the purifier project. It always felt to me like having a child was completely accidental to him, like it just got in the way of his work.

>>730680518
>It's not "semantics" to know the distinction
yes because it’s not what the point was about retard, the fact you keep bringing it up and not feel ashamed that your little faggot attempt at misdirection isn’t working is pathetic.
>they patched it out so it shouldn’t be in games.
Very funny point to make when hardcore mode exists in NV. A mode dedicated to adding features in the game to give an optional more difficult but realistic experience. The point is that you could make the feature in 1997 and this game could have had it too

>>730681017
>yes
No.
>the fact you keep bringing it up
But it's you who keeps bringing it up since >>730678000 ?
>they patched it out so it shouldn’t be in games
That's what the developers themselves seemed to agree with, yes.
>hardcore mode exists in NV
Sounds to me like the developers themselves thought it'd be a cool thing.

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>>730668667
red pilled, this game is amazing
way better than NV

All of Fallout 3's factions make more sense than New Vegas
>muh nationstate of tribals that conqured Arizona, Utah, Colorado, New Mexico in 34 years all by coincidence and established their own religion, military, government in that time frame
Absolute nonsense.

>>730682578
Y-you don't get it! It's deep xister!

>>730668037
When you play the non-slopthesda ones.

>>730668667
>>730682232

Is this garbage with all the subtlety of a brick to the face the new cope method whenever Fo3 threads get posted here?

It doesnt get bad if your only expecations and maximum standards for a Fallout game is an open world shooter.
>>730682578
Nothing about Fallout 3 makes sense, it all depends on you not asking why any of it exists in the first place because otherwise it all falls apart for the simple fact that most of it is based on things exclusive to west coast.

Immediately. There isn't a single Bethesda game that's playable unmodded.

>>730668037
When you start New Vegas

>>730668037
The quests. They're really bad.

>>730668037
>he fell for the troon propaganda

>>730668646
underrated comment.