"I main Engineer"[audience laughs]
I don't have a main
>>730671438anyone remember this hood classic
>2016>Massively shills comp TF2 as the future of the game>Even gets to talk directly to Valve and give them feedback>"If you can't accept that, then maybe the game is no longer for you">2018>MYM was a colossal flop>pic related>Now>"Yeah, actually it's clear Valve doesn't care anymore, so frankly neither do I"Fuck this fat retard
First they ignore youThen they laugh at youThen you win
>>730671676you main sniper
>>730671991It pisses me off to no end that he ended up practically having a monopoly on community servers
>A youtuber I subbed to uploaded after 5 years>First thing they say is how they trooned out and want hate commentsTroons really do take over everything then wonder they everything they touch dies.
>>730672240TooManyMoths? I saw *his* video as well and just clicked off
>>730671991>Completely cater to compfags destroying so many weapons while shit that does need to be nerfed is ignored>Fucking buff sniper of all classes>compfags still refuse to unban weapons because of their autism
>>730672334Yeah. These people really love to stew in their own misery.
>>730671438Why did he leak Deadlock, bros ?
>>730672240Trannies are still out there? I thought the fad ended.
>>730672630>Nicholas Gerz
>>730671991Did he also say he was happy that some people would leave tf2 due to the comp bullshit?
>>730672240>>730672334>>730672480She's so cute though!
>>730672798>I'm tired....Again, these people love their own misery. They proclaim aloud how they feel tired and sad all the time, then they feel sad and tired then they truly become sad and tired. If you want a healthy soul you need a healthy mind. You need good echo's. If you feel tired literally just ignore it and you feel alive again.
>>730671991TF2 is one of the last bastions of online FPS that isn't a dumpster fire of competitive autism. I don't know why these niggers are so hellbent on making it "LE COMPETITIVE" when there's literally dozens of other games better fit for that kind of playstyle.
>>730672334lol its funny when they troon out and they dont even fuckin TRY to do a higher pitched voice
>>730672129I just pick whom i think I would do good with at that time.
>>730672240>XenoGene is now XenoQueen
>>730671438Tbf your buildings are the first thing everyone guns for, so it is a challenging role in its own right.
>he doesn’t strictly play 100 man shounic server
>>730671991he was the eternal comp poser, always trying to ride b4nny's dick from the sidelines and prop up highlander as not being garbage because he was too shit to actually play 6s
>>730672630because they didn't invest millions into forcing a tf2 scene instead
>>730673329no, because it's full of trannies and has dozens of different insta-kick word triggers on the chat
>>730672630>I didn't leak it I just showed it to others when I wasn't supposed to
>>730672960He should have spoke negatively about the state of his head injury, maybe then he would have lived longer.
>I record and edit the podcast of a washed up retard and his abusive wife[audience laughs harder]
>>730673441Play with chat off. I actually got chatbanned for saying ywnbaw and the janny I had to ask to unban me just laughed and did it
>>730672240Will I get banned if I make this into my new spray?
>>730672240TFTroons are NOT beating the allegations
>>730671991>>730672419>Compfags ban certain weapons their league for being able to get some cheese kill or because the weapon wasn’t balanced for 6v6 class limit games with callouts and no randoms on exclusive 5cp maps>Don’t have to deal with those weapons because they’re banned anyways>Still decide to ask Valve to nerf said weapons anyways>Over some “we want to play with them too!” type of bs>Valve does so, which negatively affects people who play normally as most of those weapons were fun, but no longer are after being nerfed into the ground>Compfags don’t bother playing with the “new toys” anyways. They just keep playing the same meta loadouts and teams>Some weapons still being banned because their core is always gonna be cheese no matter how much they nerf it
>>730671676i thought i was the only one
>>730673441I joined once and people were ERPing
I'm a real life engineer.Mediocre to decent life choices, I guess.
>>730671676i cant aim for shit
>>730671438So what the hell do TF2 youtubers even talk about with no new content?
>>730671438>"Yippee ki yaa he yay kyaaah kayo!"Also every tranny and leftoid must die !
>>730674142as we know, casual players of games never get fun weapons gutted or banned. Only the shadowy cabal of compfags, and certainly to such an extent that it's worth bitching about over ten years after it happened. Pyro does not exist in its bizarre state as a borderline non-functional gimmick class because of casual players being unable to tolerate the second most easily countered class in the entire game.Anyone that still complains about how TF2 is/was ruined after Valve literally handed you the dev tools is crazy, you have it better than essentially every modern FPS.
>>730674857found the compfag
>>730674816
>>730674978never even played one competitive tf2 match in my life btw i just think (correctly) that casual players are twice as loud and annoying as the median comp player because their opinions are backed by self-righteous ignorance, literally pride themselves on not understanding the game but still demanding it changes to suit them
>>730674517>i cant aim for shit>30 kills in one life as sniper
>>730672630>I didn't leak it>I just streamed it in a Discord call where anyone could have easily recorded it
>>730674857>as we know, casual players of games never get fun weapons gutted or bannedI can't tell if this is sarcasm
Is it true, that this guy and a bunch of other TF2 youtubers started playing the game well after it had gone F2P?As in these so called figures of """"""""""""""authority""""""""""""""" in the """community""" have never played the game as it was in pre-market, pre-hatardation, let alone as it was during launch in 2007?
>>73067451767k damage??
>>730675642show some respect for 2012 oldfags they actually care about the game unlike you
>>730675791
>>730675510for every comp player who's like "the airstrike is a problem" or w/e there are 15 quintillion players who want every skill gate shitter-stomper weapon that falls off at high level gutted and they tend to get what they want, not just in TF2 but in most gamesdid you even play the game to experience pre-nerf backburner? i'm sure you remember when the dragon's fury didn't require you to be insanely precise on top of every other massive weakness it has
>>730674517And yet you will.always have the most impact on the team. Thanks anon.
>>730675146>never even played one competitive tf2 match in my life btw i just think (correctly) that casual players are twice as loud and annoying as the median comp player because their opinions are backed by self-righteous ignoranceOr maybe because comp players have what they fucking want and casual players don't.
>>730675870I feel like you're presuming too much about me and my knowledge of contemporary TF2. I remember the Backburner, just like I remember the pre-nerf Sandman. I stopped playing TF2 relatively early in its life, around the Mann-conomy update. I don't even know what the Air Strike is, really. I had to look up whether it was one word or two, lol.I was just asking whether it was sarcasm or not because casual players DO get things nerfed, in any game. This is especially true in the content creation era of video games, where everything is streamed and turned into an easily digestible YouTube video.
>>730674816Endless circular complaints about how Valve are bad because TF2 still makes money and they won't update the game.
>>730675642Not everybody is 50 like you unc
>>730676123I was presuming your intent because I felt the point of "casual players get stupid things nerfed to suit them constantly" was obvious, I apologize.
>>730672630>Nick Gerz, a reporter for eBaumsworld
>>730673331b4nny is a stupid nigger too and if you actually give a shit about 6s get the fuck out.
>>730676197
>>730675642Uncle Dane is known for being a community oldfag and he started playing in 2013
>>730674816Seethe impotently that valve won't pay them the money that they're paying to people that actually make shit for the game or force people to play on their servers and nerf things they don't like.
>>730671991Just because I didn't dickride the "everything must be a comp game!" sentiment doesn't mean he didn't try to help. He bet on the wrong horse (competitive) but you'll have to convince me it was beyond a bad read of the future.
>>730675642Yes, and it only becomes more true with time. A lot of popular YouTubers started playing the game incredibly late in its life.
>>730676232that doesn't change anything about what I said
>>730671676My hours are just the mercs ranked most fun to least fun to play i would like to think. Pyro could be bumped a few notches up with puff-and-sting back.
>>730676062In TF2's case you can run your own community servers with your own rulesets and nowadays you have dev tools so you can try to run mods (or servers on modded versions) that are more to your liking.I do agree that casual shooters that occupy the exact same space as TF2 don't exist in the way they used to. Fortnite and Roblox both have server browsers but it's not so much the same thing from what I've seen, they're not polished purpose-built casual shooters, they're often treated more like game engines. I think it's dumb to treat that as the fault of "compfags" when more than anything else it's that the people paying for large budget titles see absolutely no value in the casual ecosystem that TF2 had, and even modern casual players sneer at having to use a browser compared to just pressing "play match" due to the raw convenience involved
>>730671438>Touches kidsUncle Dane, you rascal!
>>730671676For me it's
>>730676637demo god?
>>730674816a few options>retarded video essays on minutia >rage endlessly about things that don't matter and won't ever be changed>literally just pure gameplay >make your own new content (MGE)
>>730676386Begging for comp when you don't play the format that already existed is just being a retard. It's one thing to be ignorant on your own but using your big youtube following to spread your ignorance to others is irresponsible and potentially harmful when changes are made because of it, like the mym update killing the game
Everyone shut the fuck up. How do we fix PYRO?
>>730676742You forgot>please reconsider this terrible weapon for an hour just for me to arrive at the conclusion that it isn't worth using
>>730676801more move speed
>>730676745nta but I really don't see why i should primarily blame dane (who i do not particularly like for a lot of reasons) for what happened to matchmaking when the one with the power to actually change matchmaking once that happened was valve and they essentially got bored and left it to languish after mymonce or twice i've heard a narrative like "valve was SO SICK of the community thanks to the compfags that OF COURSE they moved on" but I don't really find that convincing at all and I don't think it excludes them of their responsibility to care for the game- eventually they put out the dev tools which from where I stand is the ultimate gesture of goodwill, but not fixing MYM is like 90% on valve if not higher
>>730676801Unmask him like a Scooby Doo villain.
>>730676801I just posted it, bring back puff-and-sting.
>>730676801Roll back flamethrower damage before they intentionally fucked it up for whiny youtubers crying that the keep dying to "The worst class in the game"Dragon's Fury's projectile is no longer the size of a flare and has a base damage of 90 so it is not just straight up worse than the shotgun or flaregun.
Is The Furry Pound still active?
>>730676801Thou cannot fixing Pyro without raping Spy more.
>>730676920imbalanced, there's a reason everyone who isn't throwing uses powerjack>>730677117stupid, combo only exists because the flamethrower isn't allowed to be good
>>730671438it is a legitimate mainname one map where you think you can go without an engie
>>730671438
>>730671991Because back in 2018 Valve dropped Blue Moon and Dane was on some type of hopium they would continue supporting the mode.
>>730676801higher raw damage so he can actually win ambushes (will never be accepted,) buff DFotherwise look at TF2C for ideas all of their conceptual strong pyro things are fun >lifesteal on afterburn so pyro can sustain off of roaming>instead of a jetpack for a big stupid long jump, an impulse shotgun like the FaN >weapon that rewards playing hit and run by building up to a huge crit so pyro can make things happen on his own
>tf2 players endlessly complain about the state of the game>try to make a fork of the game that RETVRNS TO TRADITION>it dies within a monthwhat happened?
>>730677152yeah but it's all trannies now instead of just normal sex weirdos>>730676801give him 200hp and make him fatter to match
>>730675870Pyro in general is nerfed to death. Afterburn is a joke now. There are a bunch of ways to get a bunch of kills as pyro stiff but afterburn very very rarely finishes the job. Remember when spies were required to avoid enemy pyros like the plague lest they get themselves entirely fucked up? Now you can be actively burning a cloaked spy without spycicle, hearing the burning sound as you scorch them, and they can still extinguish and disappear in a fraction of a second.
>>730677175>stupid, combo only exists because the flamethrower isn't allowed to be goodThis but unironically.
>>730676942>omg guise why are you blaming the tftumorsBecause they are STILL demanding valve pay them to exist, ruin the game because they're shit, and feed their dogshit servers players while screaming that the game is dead.
>>730677319>what happened?e-celebswhatever they touch turns to shitevery time
>>730677574seems like they have very little impact on the game beyond running successful servers
>>730676801Vacuum cleaner weapon that sucks in enemies, the closer they are the higher the damage. Alt attack still lets you airblast but continuously with no pause.It also plays a remix of Party Rock.
>>730671991Remember he also had a fit when Valve invited him for the Deadlock alpha so he leaked the whole thing and got blacklisted just like Tyler from everything Valve related.
>>730677681>Remember he also had a fit when Valve invited him for the Deadlock alphaWhy would he be mad about that?
>>730677319>>try to make a fork of the game that RETVRNS TO TRADITIONThis mod is a different flavor of TF2 autism where the mod creator selectively chose which changes were good and bad instead of actually trying to replicate a specific TF2 era while also removing any good QoL changes, including ones that existed in the era it's trying to emulate.
>>730677738it wasn't a tf2 update and the similar art style and his poor cognitive ability lead him to the conclusion that it was being made to replace tf2 but as a trendier overwatch style 6v6 gamehe did not play it or know it was a moba
>>730677681>that huffy video where he calls deadlock the most TONE DEAF DEAD ON ARRIVAL DIME A DOZEN GAME THAT NOBODY WANTS SUPPORT TF2 INSTEAD>Game is actually extremely unique and well-liked by almost everyone that's played it including a lot of diehard TF2 players
>>730676942If you're going around all over youtube/reddit/wherever else drumming up the bandwagon for something to happen, to the point of directly getting into the devs ear, and then when it does happen it's a complete disaster then you can't just throw your hands up like you had nothing to do with it. No matter how big of a faggot he is he has an influence and the use of said influence playing even a small part of making the game worse is his fault. If his cornball #stoprandomcrits garbage actually happened he'd be blamed for that too.
>>730677910tf2 players hate everything, especially tf2see: every tf2 thread
why is it never Valve's fault when they ship an update people don't like?
>>730677910>game is actually [deranged ASSFAGGOTS delusions]lets stay on topic please
>>730677963You could say that he had a part in it (idk to what extent,) but valve are the ones who poorly executed upon it and when it was clear that the execution wasn't liked by anyone, decided not to rectify it.
>>730677738He felt betrayed by Valve just like the Artifactfag
>>730677910>Game is actually extremely uniqueit's just a third person moba>well-liked by almost everyone that's played it including a lot of diehard TF2 playersthe game's numbers are abysmal
>>730673331Funniest part is he got pushed from starter to backup engy on a gold team he was on. He got replaced by some other autistic engy main who was offclassing that season on the same team.
>>730674142>randoms on exclusive 5cp maps Whats funny is 5cp isn't played in HL anymore after some engineer ran level 3s on 5cp not on last. The entire league seethed so hard they literally removed 5cp from rotation in retaliation.
>>730678218only people i know who actively dislike deadlock are people who physically cannot play it because their ego is too fragile and the kind of abuse it will take in a game like that will destroy themotherwise every autistic casual image of a TF2 player TF2 player I've met is fascinated at the least by deadlock>>730678305game doesn't even have an official release date, it has no rewards for play other than competitive ranked, you need someone to invite you to get in. Idk if it's managing steady 20-40k in this state I think the actual marketed launch will probably be healthy
>>730675149I'm pretty sure the stats count stuff that happens in MvM, because some of my classes have their longest life at like ~30 minutes which just doesn't happen in normal gameplay the way that I play
>>730678305games numbers are double tf2's actual playercounttf2 is still heavily botted as confirmed by zestyjesus's investigation
Reminder that COMPNIGGERS killed the caber and I will NEVER EVER let that go
>>730678432>IT'S JUST AN ALPHAlol
>>730672630>Nichholas Gerz
>>730678241Ok? Do you think nobody blames valve for ruining their own game? Because there's a mountain of asshurt across the internet to find if you want. This thread is shitting on youtube man and the part he played in it, however minor or major it may have been, and really should just be deleted but its the only way this cancer board can be tricked into talking about TF2
>>730677963If I hire an assassin to kill X, but in the collateral Y also ended up dying, I would not accept the moral responsibility of Y's death because a better assasin would not have done that, this element wasn't my fault.
>>730678649sure feels like people are eager to blame everyone but valve with what goes on in their games sometimes yea
You know, I always thought there might have been a bias with Uncle Dane, seeing how random critical hits are meant to allow attackers to push against sentry nests by removing the Engineer with one explosive.
>>730678693perhaps you should vet your assassins
>>730678881That's not what random crits are meant to do.
>>730675870>compfag crying
>>730678432>game doesn't even have an official release daterefer to the chart>>730678545>tf2 is still [headcanon from eceleb]okay
>>730677659>successful serversLolLmao even
>>730678720well when you want to take off your pyrovision goggles and join us in the real world you'll find no shortage of blame for valve's decade+ of hopping from one blunder to the next
>>730678004Seems like they just hat the cancer infesting their game than "everything"
>>730678912It is one of several things they're meant to do.
>>730678912I believe the developers of TF2 over anonymous on basket weaving forum. Are you the TF2 commentary node? Then fuck off.
>>730676801Make the Dragon’s Fury the new Stock and base the other unlocks off it.Also treat the fireball like flame particles so it can’t be reflected or destroyed by the short circuit.
>>730678938>headcanonthere are websites that track how many players are in game servers and 80% of the reported playercount is unaccounted for
>>730678649there's a large portion of people who seem to believe that Valve was forced at gunpoint to put things in tf2 other players.this of course ignores the facts that valve was never beholden to any group of tf2 players and treats valve as if they had no internal decision making, their own goals with updates and inability to fuck up anything they wanted to do.so the blame, somehow, always gets shifted to other tf2 players instead of valve. Cry, scream, moan, but you'll keep buying hats off the market. https://arch.b4k.dev/_/search/text/%22valve%20listened%20to%22/https://arch.b4k.dev/_/search/text/valve%20comfags/
>>730679157This. It's general point is a stalemate preventor whether its a defensive hold with medics, an engie nest, whathaveyou.
>>730671438I had like 1k hours on engineer in like 2010 or 11 and got embarased and deleted my stats. The default pistol was used aggressively, as well as smacking bitches with wrenches with my insanely good movement skills. A good teleporter effectively reduces the team's respawn time by getting dead players to the front faster. But I stopped playing back then.The only people still playing this game after 16 years do insane shit. Plus there are clearly aimhackers so idk why anyone would wanna play.
>>730679293>there are websites that [no methodology] okay
How long until that one retard shows up who has a chip on his shoulder about community servers existing at all?
>>730679460>40,000 players, the vast majority of the playerbase, plays on secret servers that you can't point out or view through the server browsersure, sure
>>730671438>Uncle Dane is a very good sentry main.Is he, though?
>>730679859See: >>730678314
The idea that competitive was what killed caber and sandman is ridiculous. Both fucking sucked, Demo should not get the ability to oneshot light classes at melee range and punish you for attacking at the range where he is supposed to be weakest, and Sandman stun was utterly miserable and dominating. Yeah, a weapon whose defining feature is shutting down your enemy's ability to counterplay, great idea.
Compfags out in force today
>>730671438Sniper, Scout, Soldier and Demo are the only respectable mains. Medic and Engineer get a pass for being support classes.
>>730680598You ever notice the same people who defend competitive the most act exactly the same as the people who defend sniper the most?
>>730676386He CLEARLY didn't know the game he was playing if he didn't see the writing on the wall from the very beginning. Ironic, considering he touts himself as an authority. TF2's core design is such an antithesis for what comp needs to even begin to work, and even entertaining the idea to try and mould it into esports is a fool's errand. Why do you fucking think such a small percentage of players care about comp? Because everyone fucking knows that comp is not fucking TF2.Get the fuck out and kill yourself.
>>730680521>Competitive didn't kill the caber, but here's why that's a good thing with faggot retard fart huffer vernacular you casual playing nazi join my server
>>730681281Caber was killed because it sucked and was a dumb weapon. That is all.
GuysGuysGuys.You CAN'T say that TF2 has 40,000 players.You CAN NOT immediately dismiss the shitty website made by TF2 youtubers that have "a billion subscribers" but can't fill a 24 player server and spend all their time demanding Valve change matchmaking to force people to play on theirs.Valve is lying about how many people are playing TF2 and you are NOT ALLOWED EVER TO THINK ABOUT ANY OF THE NUMEROUS THINGS LOGICALLY WRONG WITH WHAT WAS SAIDAfter all we bought the domain tf2hasnoplayersandisdeadunlessvalvegivesmemoney.imnotgayshutup
>>730680521>>730681353>Caber was killed because compfags were angry that their medic was being one shot by a demo trading 1 for 1>trading 1 for 1 by risking yourself to get close enough to a medic after sacrificing half your health to sticky jump is a completely honest move according to compfags but its a "cheese" move in this one instance >But sticky spam is a fine and valid strategy
>>730677319>try to make a fork of the game that RETVRNS TO TRADITIONExcept that it didn't and they did custom rebalancing on a few weapons and arbitrarily removed shit they deemed didn't fit their visionLaunch week was non-stop complaining about no auto-reload (a feature from 2009 btw)
>>730676490They took away puff and sting? I haven't played since 2014, but that sounds like a gay change to a class that was already underpowered anyway.
>>730681745Literally didn't happen, you fucking retard. Someone who jumped to a medic can just fucking shoot the medic with pipes and he'll die. The function of the Caber that makes it cancerous has never been anything remotely close to this..The problem with the caber is that you can instantly turn any close range interaction with a light class into an even trade. A scout can't punish you for overextending because, guess what, you can caber their ass. Demoman is supposed to be WEAK at close range unless they make the tradeoffs involved with the swords (slower unsheathing speed, giving up stickies, etc.). Caber gives you the damage of the swords with the ease of access of the bottles.
>>730681745Don't forget, anon, that the character that needs to get in close for the med pick with a melee attack AND ending up dying himself is more busted than the character has 12 explosives to shoot safely at range at said medic.
>>730682031Airblast was intentionally ruined for a youtuber (this had a knock on effect making the Short Stop and Force A Nature really bad too), but you can still nail someone with a flare.
>>730681602>website is wrong because, it just is okay>its all part of a conspiracy (ignore that one time where valves own matchmaker outright confirmed the website to be accurate)
>>730671676mightve reset my stats at some point cuz my total hours is over 6k
>>730682201
>>730682201>Website is right because it just is>Youtube doesn't lie about its metrics because it just does>Everyone wants Uncle Zesty's Big Nerf Update where playing as sniper posts your Dox as a global message because he got headshot one time and you're forced to use quickplay to match into his server>It's a coincidence that all the pretend to be an oldfag TF2 forks were dead on arrival but also Valve's fault for not paying us and giving us players.
>>730682047But it did happen, and your explanation for why it wasn't the case it just more proof for how pathetic and autistic you comp fags are whenever a new strategy is introduced that you can't handle actually learning and playing the game in a different way.>He is such a bad scout he get's cabered by a demoLMAO, he is a scunt main also.
>>730677218Ok but thinking that comp TF2 is what would bring in new players is so stupid either way. Even within the TF2 sphere it's such a small part of the community, most TF2 players just don't care about it, why would someone that's new to TF2?
>>730682495>having an unconditional instant kill avaliable at all times is "a new strategy"
>>730683001Not in normal TF2, but in compfag land>A single ~145 damage melee swing on the third slowest class in the game is an "unconditional instant kill available at all times"
>>730683001>What is the direct hit>What is the Kritzkrieg>What is the Market Gardener>With the time to kill the scattergun itself And that is just what is available in comp garbage. The absolute cope.
>This old ass game NEEDS to be competitive!Why?
>>730683387>>What is the direct hitConditional>>What is the KritzkriegConditional>>What is the Market GardenerConditionalAt any moment you're in melee range a Demo can pull a delete light class button that requires absolutely zero skill, aim or practice- in fact you could just hit the ground and it would still work. None of these other weapons are remotely comparable.
>>730674816>TF2 funny moments clip dump>Weapon essay #5000>I played [class] for 100 days. Here's what I learned>Clickbait "TF2 NEW UPDATE?!" videos whenever the seasonal updates release>Unboxing 100 cases (UNUSUAL?!)>TF2 has a big problem doomer videos
Ambassador was hands down the stupidest way to kill a weapon I've ever seen. Literally just have it not headshot past a certain distance, why would you go and make it total shit at all ranges instead?
Almost a decade later and trying to make this game more competitive was a flopCan we undo all the damage that caused now?
>>730672419>muh comp boogeyman is responsible for the righteous fucking bison getting nerfed and the shortstop getting a shove You need to come to terms with the fact that valve is responsible for these changes, not some strawman that you want to pin the blame on.
>>730683641Because there's no such thing as "balance" there's "ruin this weapon because I'm bad and mad but phrased in a way that seems like it has more authority".Nevermind this complaint came out of comp and comp adjacent retard communities where they think it's broken because they cheat.
Wasn't caber banned in comp anyway. Why would they want it nerfed
>>730683641Even dumber is the fact they left the Diamondback unchanged. At least the Amby required landing a headshot
>>730683841>Hey these retards were so mad about a weapon they entirely banned it>Why would they want it to be made worse?
>>730683416Valve wanted it to be up there with CSGO and Dota2.
>>730683737Valve needs to shutdown the comp/casual servers, open up quickplay community servers that can be joined from the server browser, and disable the leveling system that does nothing but give retards a massive e-peen. That will instantly fix this stupid game
>>730683525>Conditional>Demo in melee range with a one use hit that also hurts himself withI'm glad we agreed that the caber is a conditional weapon.
>>730683921...yes? Do you know what banning a weapon means? It means it can't be played. What would it even matter if something that can't be played... gets nerfed to unusability, meaning it won't be played?
>>730683797You are right, valve did do those changes but it was done in service to comp fags who asked for it then wonder why TF2 is now shit.
>>730683952>Valve wantedTFtumors wanted to be paid like the compfags for CSGO and Dota2
>>730671676The only reason Pyro is my "main" is because I don't suck too much with him. But I try to play with every class, I really like Scout. He's my worst class>>730674517>i cant aim for shit
>>730671438At the end of the day random crits were good for TF2 because they were an antithesis to comp fags and kept filtering them in any discussion. Like it genuinely shows how stuck up their own ass these people were when they couldn't be assed to host their own no crits servers. Because they simply offered nothing to the community.
>>730677319>Peak playercount: 33>Not even enough for 2 serversHoly shit it's bad
>>730672240Its either that or they get a fursuit
>>730674517>can't aim for shit>plays medicRetard, if you're not playing as a hybrid medic then you're doing it wrong>NOOOOOOO I MUST MAKE SURE THAT MY TEAMMATES ARE ALWAYS AT 150% HP 100% OF THE TIMEEEEEEEEEEEE AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAThe only HP point that matters is the last one
>>730684014Killing community servers by removing the search function for a good year, is probably the most fucked up thing they did to this game.
>>730677319Question: Why should I care about that shit when tf2 classic already exists?
>>730684298This is why people keep telling you, you NEED to fucking ignore the retards who started playing the game after it went free to play screaming that the game needs to get "real oldfag tf2" where Valve is forcing people to play in shitty youtuber servers.Nobody wants that.People aren't just blowing smoke up your ass.
>>730684547TF2 Classic hasn't been a classic experience for a long time nowThey added donut steel weapons and other random shitStill fun tho
>>730676801The jetpack works like Demo's shields, letting you jump without having to switch weapons.
>>730677319Only good TF2 mod is the /v/an where I could use pre jungle inferno weapons. Oh and open fortress was alright before they trooned out
>>730676801Disable random crits globally+10 HPGive him spy's invis watch (he keeps flame immunity while invisible)
>>730676801He's fine he punishes projectile spam.Scorch shit should be his default secondary though.
>>730671438How long until he transitions
>>730684979>compfagLiterally never
>>730684925Detonator is objectively better, people only talk about the scorch shot because some faggot youtuber whined about being shot by it because he's a faggot and thinks the other person was cheating by beating him as the "worst class in the game"
>>730676801I want to see the Gas Passer fixed but have no clue what to do. Shorten cooldown? Still sucks and can be easily stopped by other pyros, healthpacks, medics, or just suffered through. Even if it took 1/5th the charge time it does now would the gas be worth it? Maybe only for cheap Neon Anihilator combos.
>>730685053The scorch shot is objectively badly designed because its so fucking annoying. I would rather deal with snipers.
>>730676801Base flamethrower should have Dragon's Fury range.
>>730677319>Let's call our old school mod Gold Rush like the very first TF2 update, surely this won't cause any confusion as to what era of TF2 we want to replicate!
>>730685203>The scorch shot is objectively badly designed because I got shot with it and diedYes, we know.
>>730685143The idea I've always had is that the afterburn would be a stronger version which can't be prematurely extinguished by anything but water.
>>730671991Didn't this fat faggot become the editor for fucking Ian and Anisa Johma?
>>730684072>nerfing the bison and giving the shortstop a shove is in service to comp playersanon no one playing comp touched those fucking things both before and after their changes, you need to stop clinging to them as a scapegoat.
>>730685053Detonator is just contrarian pick honestly. Yeah you get more aoe when you splash, but knocking niggers back is funnier
>>730685143Make it boost afterburn substantially like 25 damage per tick, have it take a second to build up on players, and have it linger for longer. It shouldn't be an insta application, but it should deny the area and be terrifying to get applied.
>>730684491It guaranteed its fucking death. Valve thought people would easily buy into the csgo format on tf2, but nobody plays tf2 thinking "damn I think this would be better if it was 15 rounds of cs, but instead its 3 rounds and if one person drops, you are guarenteed to lose since no backfills"
>>730685637Detonator has the hadouken taunt, while the Scorch Shot does notI rest my case
>>730684346The fursuit is totally definitely a joke haha
>>730685826The round system is such ass cancer >Wait 5 minutes between matches chud
>>730685919>He's not using the scotch shot to taunt spam a choke from a mile away
>>730676801Bring back pre-2012 degreaser flaregun axetingisher OG combo pyro and make everyone seethe. Oh and make the airblast push always upwards like on the first update.
>>730676801>Gas passer>Neon annihilator >Scorch shot>Powerjack>Degreaser >either stock shotgun or panic attack>Phlog>Medic
I think TF2 is what blackpilled me on how bullshit the live service model is. I don't want to play and love a game just to see it get irreparably ruined by incompetent devs and a retarded community over time.
>>730686283>Oh and make the airblast push always upwards like on the first update.Just flick up buddyHonestly I like new knock back it feels a lot more chaotic
>>730686283The actual answer: Make Pyro be able to airblast himself.
>>730676801>remove the damage rampup for consecutive flame particles landed since it just doesn't fucking work>make each flame particle actually 2 particles that share a center. one significantly wider than the other.>hitting with this smaller particle gives you roughly 200 DPS. the larger particle is a much milder 150 DPS (like pre JI flames).>keep the scaling afterburn for amount of particles, but have these intense center flames contribute to it much faster. Degreaser doesn't get these>make axtinguisher crit again>make volcano fragment turn all damage to minicrits while brandished and give pyro a heal on kill while brandished (regardless of damage source)>third degree deals more damage to medics (enough to 2-shot), less to non-medics that aren't being healed>hot hand speed boost activates when hitting allies and lasts longer>homewrecker takes 2 swings to remove sappers, grants a knockback resist while ubered>gas passer ignite causes 30 damage immediately. the gas status does not get removed at all except by going in water (but the ignite damage doesn't occur if the target is already on fire)>jarate/milk apply a wet status when extinguishing fire (for NA crits)>scorch shot buffed to be as strong as a slow rocket launcher, given damage rampup/falloff, and moved to primary slot>phlog can only charge off phlog damage. return of full heal on mmph use but no uber anymore>thruster deals knockback to self and allows air control instead of pre-baked push force>manmelter turned into a real laser gun that does damage. higher base damage (stores minicrit instead of crit but same approximate damage)>improve back/center detection for backburner and DF
>>730686415I mean being fair like 99% of the problem with tf2 is extrinsic and everything that needs to be "fixed" (rolling back nerfs from Gun Mettle through Blue Moon)The thing Valve can't fix is the state of the internet nowadays, pretty sure they even gave up on fixing the official TF2 forums because it's literally some retards on their 40th fucking alt accounts making the same aidscancer threads all fucking day and night Including Zesty Jesus advertising himself
>>730686554Make that a flamethrower with like 50 ammo per airblast, or just slap that on black burner
Is changing a number so fucking difficult? At this point it's pretty obvious they have a "You must not do anything meaningful with TF2" rule.
>>730686554... or buff the Thermal Thruster
>>730686920It should give a jump like one of those Terraria sandstorm bottles.
>>730686554You have like 3 weapons for that already.>>730686457>newit's been around for at least 8 years
>>730686920Nah that's lame. I want to be able to jump into your medic's face, flarepunch him, airblast you out of the way, and then jump out. What else is Pyro good for? Babysitting sentries?
>>730686916I mean I'm not a Valve employee, I would never claim to be one, but from a logistics perspective I could completely understand even if it would be objectively correct to do why they wouldn't.That tiny bump where they made the Neon Annihilator crit people soaked in gas IMMEDIATELY came with retards shrieking that everyone needs to fill up Valve's inboxes with shit screaming to nerf the shwicky shwagYou know, it's like how L4D2 has a port to Source 2 but they won't release it because the community for that is fucking cancer and it would be logistically annoying to port all the shit to Source 2 like the shitty but funny Glubtastic maps, even if vscript is (mostly) forwards compatible.
>>730686916Maybe they want to silently kill TF2 so people switch to Deadlock. It sounds cynical, but not impossible. I'm not even trying to insult Deadlockfags or the game, it's Valve
>>730687069Yeah but it's newer, so it's new
>>730687168You're deranged.Deadlock is a spiritual successor to SMNC, not a replacement for TF2.They don't even remotely occupy the same niche.If they were making Day Of Defeat 2 on source 2 then MAYBE we could talk about something like that.
>>730686916I think they don't want to be swayed by anything or open that can of worms. Shame they didn't just revert the jungle inferno nerfs though.
>>730687146You know what? Maybe I agree. They're jaded, HL3's troubled development and its public reception was probably what triggered them
>>730687146Retards that complain about that shit probably don't even play the game.Valve's issue is listening to the wrong crowd and let that affect them.
>>730687615If someone dumped thousands of cans of trash in your yard, I don't think you'd really be preoccupied with who did it.
>>730676801give him self healing like heavy
>>730685143Make it so only resupply locker and large health pack can cure the afterburn.Also make it so the Darwin’s Danger Shield afterburn immunity is ignored.
>>730676801Why do retards say that pyro needs to be fixed?If anything I'd just would buff afterburn a little.
>>730688151I mean pretty objectively he's in a shit state since all of his primary weapons were intentionally gimped to fuck.
>>730688268You can tune his entire arsenal just by tweaking afterburn values.
>>730686916There was an email sent to Eric Smith asking to fix a cosmetic because of team recognition, and he responded "no because people already bought it and might like it that way"
>>730686457>flick upthe real big brain move is flick down
Make afterburn deal % based damage, there you have it.
>>730671676I wish I didn't reset my stats some years back, there's a few thousand hours missing from this chart. At least I have a few meme idle stats back from achievement servers a decade ago
>casuals having a meltdown over the comp bogeyman in their head againI can't believe valve made a ranked gamemode for all the competitive no class limits turbine players this is so sad
>>730687069Detonator is situational and at best you are just spamming it to maybe clip someone at range with a detonated shot. If the airblast gave you the same height as the det on the default, dragons, and back burner, then it could be useful, then the det could be used with phlog or degreaser which will have either reduced or no air blast jump capability.
>>730689327The mode itself is the least consequential of what they did. Quickplay's removal for Casual and the weapon nerfing spree were far more damaging to the game as a whole.
>>730672798This just makes me wish that guy that made Vibri porn would post again
Updates or not, spy will keep getting nerfed.
>>730689560Valve wanted to try and imitate the CSGO model in TF2 because it prints money. They halfassed it and didn't consult anyone besides b4nny and even then the only change he is directly responsible for is keeping them from buffing the reserve shooter. Valve is 100% responsible for the state of the game now.
>>730671438At least he made a career out of it
>>730689327You are the one throwing a fit right now
>>730690201I just don't get what he thought was going to happen.>HMMM, LETS STREAM THIS PRIVATE, NEED TO KNOW PLAYTEST TO MY UNDERAGE DISCORD HAREMI know a lot of TF2 fags are going legit senile but its still something
>>730676801Pyro needs a movement option that doesn't take away his secondary. Jetpack should just be part of his base kit and reworked to be usable in combat.Flamethrower changes are pretty easy. I want stock flamethrower to have double the range but a much smaller cone and an arc so pyro doesn't have to get in facefucking distance to do damage but it takes skill having to aim and account for gravity. Dragon's fury is fine as is if they just remove the airblast penalty. Degreaser should be reverted so it's more consistent but is otherwise fine. Lastly I want an area denial flamethrower that does little direct damage but can cover the floor with fire. Phlog should have a new downside to ignore any buffs (ubercharges, banners, whip, etc) so they can't terrorize dustbowl and barnblitz anymore.Airblast should be reverted to how it was before but without the airstrafe stun and push force scales by weight. You can send scouts and spies flying but heavy and soldier barely move. No more trolling heavies by spamming airblast around a corner or farming cheap kills by camping next to a cliff.Axtinguisher can be fully reverted. I went back and played it a bunch on castaway and it's seriously overrated. Getting into melee range against decent players is suicidal 90% of the time crit or not.Gas passer and Jarate's timers should be swapped. Scorch shot should be deleted from the game.Pyro should not be able to remove sappers as long as the pyro/spy matchup is as one sided as it is.Lastly the bugs with damage rampup and airblast needs to be fixed. Pyro minicritting himself reflecting rollers is fucking retarded.
>>730676801just make his flame particles slightly small but have them travel further and boost their dps making tracking more important. pyro is so thoroughly cucked because otherwise people would complain that he's "to easy" since you don't need to aim also giving him a lightning gun styled unlock would be cool
>>730678432>only people i know who actively dislike deadlock are people who physically cannot play it because their ego is too fragile and the kind of abuse it will take in a game like that will destroy themYou've just described most people anon. This game is extremely filtering. The question is whether your ego is going to allow you to admit this is an actual problem that's going to hold the game back.
>>730678432>it has no rewards for play other than competitive rankedHoly fuck how is this an argument people keep making. If the game needs to give people excuses to keep playing other than the idea that it's fun then it's a bad game.
>>730676801Revert all nerfs he ever received while keeping the buffs and he's almost good
>>730676801Give pyro something for dealing with sentry nests. The idea that pyro is supposed to be bad at dealing with sentries is so weird, especially considering it wasn't really true in the older team fortress games.
Reminder this same cuck runs the iDubbbz podcast
>>730671676You clearly have more hours as sniper than any other class you nigger
>>730684298It was always the case with tf2 mods. They were always niche as fuck. Dunno why people thought them being supported on steam would make that big a difference.
>>730671991Compfags and their simps deserve the fucking rope, every single one of those subhumans is directly responsible for TF2 being stuck as an absolute broken mess for literal years.
>>730683797Comp faggots are directly responsible for most of the nerfs, especially the likes of the BASE jumper and Caber
>>730691659How appropriate.
>>730676801Either give all of pyro’s primaries the degreasers switch speed or turn them into quake lightning guns
>>730671991Holy shit is that quote real?
>>730691323pyro was always comparatively shit at dealing with sentrieseven with the grenades and incendiary cannon, pyro was not very good at dealing with them when you have the likes of demo soldier and spy just raping them, and medic and scout being so fast that the sentry was more or less a speedbump unless you were playing on a chokey map like dustbowl that disallowed crazy conc jumpingin the move to TF2, Pyro got even worse at dealing with sentries when the sentry itself got buffed, and later again when the engineer got the ability to upgrade dispensers, teleporters, and move buildings.both classes were designed for people with shit aim and shit internet, and even though pyro has more kill power than it used to, it was still anemic to try to make a meaningful dent into a nest, doubly so with no uber to work with.
>>730673041because most of these worthless TF2 youtubers started playing TF2 after it became F2P, they objectively never experienced TF2 at its absolute peak and they never learned the fun loving mentality that most of the old guard still have.
>>730677738To be fair valve's next game being "more dota" does feel like a kick in the teeth for anyone who wants to see a game remotely like tf2 get made again. Especially when tf2 was knee deep in a bot crisis at the time.
I see a lot of vitriol and anger ITT, why don't you guys share something in this game that made you smile or have fun lately? Anything
>>730677319people dont want the old game they want the old community
>>730692058Me and some friends were micspamming random meme bullshit the other day late at night on koth. It was a lot of fun
>>730676801Give the scorch shot even more ammo and damage to piss off even more people.
>>730692058My best match was one of those custom elimination rounds. It was just me and one other guy left, spy vs. spy, and he tried disguising himself as someone I knew was dead. One stab later, the match was won.
>>730691875caber was nerfed to deal a max of 149 damage long before the infamous nerfs that people actually blame on comp players. and in any case, the real problem with caber was that it dealt enough damage to instakill scouts within a generous radius of you by hitting the floor or a wall, who demo is supposed to be fucked against at that range.All that needs to happen to fix the current caber is to make it so directly hitting someone deals the full splash damage instead of calculating splash falloff from the center of their collision hull. Why the game doesn't do this when they went out of their way to make this change for grenades and rockets is baffling.the base jumper was significantly stronger than people gave it credit for. the biggest thing that was changed was to air friction so that you could no longer attain scout speed by just jumping in the air and floating "straight" forward. that shit had nothing to do with the redeploy or fire updraft nerfs that people focus on. It doesn't help that valve themselves didn't document their own nerf properly, which lead to a lot of confusion over what was changed that most people still do not look into the details of, and just parrot what they've heard verbatim.
bring it back.
>>730692229TL;DR, I'm not reading a post by someone trying to justify nerfing the weapon most people used exclusively to torture snipers. Caber was fun and now it's shit because of salty faggot compniggers, end of story.
>>730671991>fat, ugly and retarded>ruins tf2 community servers>leaks deadlock early>beta orbits a washed up eceleb who burnt up all of his following (after he used to orbit b4nny of all people)>fat, ugly and retardedi don't know how he hasn't killed himself yet. i would hate to be uncle dane.
>>730691940>even with the grenades and incendiary cannon, pyro was not very good at dealing with them when you have the likes of demo soldier and spy just raping themThat's just it though he still had options like the nades and the cannon. He wasn't a full on "can't deal with sentries" class like tf2 pyro became. And it's weird that valve just decided the class shouldn't be able to deal with nests. With scout it made some sense since there was a notion that he was a really powerful class that needed sentries as a weakness but pyro didn't have that kind of strength.>both classes were designed for people with shit aim and shit internetYou lot keep saying this but it doesn't make sense to continue to present pyro as the "class for people with shit internet" when valve added reflect, the worst thing to try using with shit internet. Hell pyro was a stone's throw from soldier in older tf games given similarities between the incendiary cannon and rocket launcher anyway.
>>730681105I still remember that banwave that banned a ton of "professional" snipers, turns out most of these niggers are just cheating.
>>730683001oh but the Market Gardner is fine right?
>>730691659fucking lmao, no way, I don't believe you.
>>730683737it was honestly more so valve making a half assed attempt to please both side before fucking off>nuke a bunch of weapons depsite comp niggers already blacklisting weapons they don't like>kill quickplay for shitty competitive servers that not even sweatlords use>still keep shit like random crits/bullet spread
>>730693086>still keep shit like random crits/bullet spreadthey already disable those in comp you utter mongoloid, why the fuck remove them from the base game?
>>730674517I'm a little different and a lot of suck
>>730693137my point is that if valve was so obsessed with appeal to compfags with shit like nerfing already blacklisted why then keep other shit that blatantly has no place in a "serious" game. literally no one forced valve to make their retarded changes
>>730692331>here's an easy way to make it torture snipers again by fixing a bug>lalalalalala I'm not listeningand you wonder why people think you're just a salty faggot
>>730692058i made a trans furry angry by calling him a faggot. then he couldn't get me votekicked and he got even more upset.
>>730671438I always thought gamers who use specific cosmetic sets as their icon is a red flag. Same with people who ape off the Nintendo/Sega font for their logos.
>>730691323>Give pyro something for dealing with sentry nests.
>>730671438Never forget when this faggot tried to do engi in 6's as a serious thing and utterly failed in every regard
>>730693324I am a salty faggot you turbonigger, I've been salty about the nerf since it happened, I don't want a faggot "compromise" I want it put back to how it fucking used to be.
>>730676801How do I fix myself at playing Pyro? I feel as helpless as I did when I first installed the game. Of course nobody lets you just walk up to them, but flanking to live sucks ass, even Spy doesn't have to live that way.
>>730676801By getting rid of phlog.
>>730693874Equip the Scorch Shot and torture fucking everyone. It's what I do when I don't feel like putting in even a modicum of effort.
What the hell?I thought Uncle Redditane is our guy.Why are people hating?
>>730672630Did he not bother to google the name and see it was Nazi German meth?
>>730672630>Tamer's Flora PFP
>>730692058Doesn't happen often but I love when there's a skilled spy on my team. Jumping in as soldier and seeing my spy already in position makes my job easy. All I have to do is stand there menacingly while my spy cleans up. They're always completely oblivious to their teammates screams while they're staring at me. Later on when there's an annoying sentry nest he's already there waiting behind the engie on C&D ready to sap the moment I bomb in.
>>730692058I rediscovered the party /v/an last month, that was cool
>>730693729It's sort of like the original homewrecker, doesn't address the inherent impractically of needing to get close to deal with a sentry gun.
>>730693874You really have to play out of your mind to be effective as pyro. Micro positioning and good movement matters A LOT. I'm constantly bhopping and ducking around cover fishing for 1v1s against overextended players being very careful not to get caught out. Shotgun is the best secondary for DM but stock flare is more fun. Detonator can also work out if you learn how to det jump to flank and attack from unexpected angles.Alternatively you can just be another scorch/phlog nigger and ask your boyfriend to pocket you and collect your free 20ks.
>>730691731you don't have to be rude about it thoI am not really a sniper mainI was born to be a scout but forced to counter snipe the real snipers
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>>730692058flanking oblivious razorback snipers as heavy is always funny
Is there any game out on the market that even comes close to how spy plays? He's so fucking unique. I've been playing since 2006 and have never once seen a game able to give me the same high despite the shit melee hit registration sometimes>mfw get a backstab on a medic with the Kunai which gives me enough overheal to tank a sniper headshot, backstab a demo, solder turns around and fires a rocket, i surf it back to the sniper, kill him with the revolver and taunt right before a crit FAN deletes me
>>730694752The hitbox is on the fury is wide and far enough that you can hit sentries (and the engi) at an angle without standing in front of it. It's not stickies-tier, but it's far more practical than the homewrecker.
>>730674816Couldn't tell you, only ones I watch are Stabby and he just does spy frags with lo fi music playing and another spy main that makes shitpost videos
>>730695242I also feel this way. Closest I got is Dishonored but that's singleplayer
>>730677181Dustbowl last defense
>>730677319It wasn't actually the gold rush update, retard. There has never been a magical time where tf2 was perfect. It's a phenomenal game that i have thousands of hours in, but it's the same game at its core as it always has been with weapons fucking cancer and others shit
