>controllers are way better than mouse and keyboard bro>trust me bro I cant use a keyboard and mouse it sucks>hold on a second I have to move, look, jump and sho-AAAAAAAAAAACCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKWhy was this even a debate?
>>730684554lowest common denominator gets confused at keyboard
Because you can't regulate the speed of your movement on a keyboard since you don't have a second mouse for your second input. So in third person KBM always looks retards since you character has to either run or slow walk at all times
>>730684796>What are hall-effect keyboards?
Controller is soul, sorry you got autism lil bro
>>730684796That is an autistic thing to give a shit about. Third person and driving games are fine with kb+m if you dont exclusively breathe through your mouth. What situation do you really need to regulate your speed when you could just add crouching or shift to walk like half life 1?
>>730684909Now compare a mouse aiming to joystick aiming. How's bunnyhopping with a controller btw?
>>730684796when has this ever mattered in any game ever
Despite me playing shooters exclusively on console - from the OG Xbox all the way to the tail-end of the Xbox One/PS4 generation - I was able to totally obliterate all of my records within the first week of playing with a mouse.
>>730684554monster hunter on the ps2 be like
>>730684950>>730685064Yeah you don't NEED it, it's just nice to have. If you can choose between something slightly nicer and slightly shittier, why chose the slightly shittier option? You have a gamepad right, they're not expensive>driving games are fine with kb+m if you drive with WASD you are genuinely subhuman
>>730684796Why would you play a game without sprinting at all times - assuming there is no stamina system?
>>730685261Because I'm not a 12 year old ADHD faggot?
>>730684796Regulating the speed of your movement is fine for those games that its important in, for First Person/Shooter games its less an issue because you want to be moving at full speed anyways almost always.
>>730685361Fucking hell. Don't tell me that you actually "take in the scene" in a damn video game.Kill yourself.
>>730685018Joystick is more natural movement, while mouse is autism spasming around like the screenSoul vs soulless again, next
>>730685234>if you drive with WASD you are genuinely subhumanIf you cant understand why WASD is superior for driving then you a legitimately brain damaged.
>>730684554Steam controller will fix this
>>730684554>online vidya / rts vidya / crpg vidyamouse and kb naturally, especially if its competitive or complex, fast reflexes, snappy, accurate, powerful>relaxing singleplayer story oriented vidya, visual novels, movie games, action adventure, souls-likes, arpgs, etc.controller for comfort, leaning back in gamer chair, smooth camera movements for cinematic feel
>>730685535Yeah I do actually enjoy video games and like to be immersed in them. Also modern third person games have full blown animations that you can't even trigger without gamepad because they're inbetween the "slow walking" and "full run" animation cycles. Don't tell me it's a good thing that you literally can't experience the content of the game>>730685557Even when I was 12 and had no gamepad I had enough brain cells to play racing games with mouse controls. Because driving with WASD is fucking retarded
>>730685557Yes just like irl you want to drive with two buttons that turn your wheels all the way left/right
>>730685787I don't fucking care about your gay-ass movie games.
>>730685549God youre such a hopeless retard, explain aim assist then, fuckass
>>730686265You keep moving the goalpost without even acknowledging PC is soulless as evident with its binary input system, why is that
You guys know you can use a m/kb for some games and a controller for others, right?
>>730685787>play racing games with mouse controls.You are retarded.>>730686010Yes typical wheelchair and helmet wearer.>I gotta make a slight turn>let me hold A or D for 5 seconds>wtf???????????????????>why did i turn into the wall>this sucks the a and d keys turn my steering all the wayWhat is holding a or d slightly less when turning? You can try tapping them instead really fast if you cant comprehend it.
>>730684796>unc doesn't know there's a shift key and a ctrl key
>>730686634picrel is the only type of game that really needed a controller. Everything else is a disadvantage with a controller.
>>730684554Even soulslikes and slashers are better on kbm
>>730684554>invents back buttonsheh, nothing personal mousefags
>>730686782>you need an extra third party peripheral to make the games playable with the controller that came with the systemconsole gaming so nice isn't it? I can still use my PS/2 ball mice if I want to :)
>>730686439Your IQ is showing and it is absolutely abysmal.
>>730687013Oh my what a compelling retort, you won the internet good sir!
>>730686782>invents back buttons>gets blocked by 170+ patentslol, lmao even
Man I love controling my new video games with a fucking typewriter
>>730686882Meanwhile PC fats have to get third party peripherals from doctors for their damaged lower back, their neck and the wrists lol
>>730684796>controls speed with mouse wheel effortlessly nothing personell, consolefag
Controller is more comfortable so I use it as much as I can, but for anything that requires moderate to heavy aiming I can't abide.
>>730687205>average console gamerNo thanks
>>730684554that's what back buttons are for
Some games are just more comfortable playing with a controller (and vice versa re keyboard/mouse). Gay conversation to have about whats superior.
>>730684554ENTER
>>730685776Genuinely the first and only controller I've been looking forward to ever since the original Steam Controller. But I'm a bit disappointed due to the integrated battery instead of swappable AAs that just werk.And also I'm not buying until there's 3rd party, open-source, non-Steam software that lets you map it.
>here's your controller bro
>>730684796Dunno about others but Wooting keyboards can already regulate your speed based on how far down the key is pressed.
>>730687320Why do you like your hands being so close together on a controller? Is your frame perhaps small you twink?
>>730687209The scroll wheel really is underutilized when it comes to PC games. All its really used for is zooming.
>>730687326>posts a successful rich man with a family and kidsMeanwhile you
>>730687528It's my dedicated pickup button in open world slop games. Shit's so comfy not having to lift a finger off wasd to press e
>>730687428It's about resting your arms. You can completely rest your arms on your lap, whereas a MKB you have to keep them upright and forward.
Can your guys keyboard or mouse vibrate?
>>730685776it doesn't "fix" what the mentally ill autist OP is talking about, but that's ok, you're also retarded.
>>730684554Bind jump to a shoulder button or trigger, how is that hard?
>>730687691My hands are too close I start feeling tension in my pecs. I guess the duke was okay. Sorry your frames too wide maybe try some pushups.
>>730687714Technically yea>xbox controller plugged in>play vidya with kbm>get achievement>controller vibrates for 5 seconds at max intensity >table shakes, everything rattles
>>730687714No they lack that soul since autists like to strip away everything until its 0 or 1
>>730684796we got analog keyboards now grandpa
>>730684554Back buttons, incel.
>>730684554Real gamers know how to use both. Also other input devices like wheels and joysticks.
>>730686439damn its worse than I thought
>>730684554Git good.
>>730687774>Bind jump to a shoulder button or trigger, how is that hard?I haven't had a console in years but I remember early ps1 games let you rebind your controls completely, I think some n64 games did too.But from GC/PS2 to ps4/xbox one, reminding your controls doesnt fucking exist besides maybe a few preset options. Consoles dont give their users options at all because the raped accept their fate, idk about the new consoles though if they finally fucking fixed that.
>muh back buttonsyou'll still be required to use heavy aim assist, camera reset spamming, easymode.controllers are dogshit, simple as.
>>730687858Do you aim with that backbuttons? Do those fix aiming with a joystick?
>>730687793Sounds like you're the one with the weird body problem if you can't literally rest your hands on your lap without straining. I can use a MKB without strain, it's just mildly less comfortable.
>>730687825Feels nowhere as good as a stick but you do you champ
>>730686050We get it, you only play balls-out super difficult games that try to rape your anus at every given moment. You play those because you value your skill as a gamer like it's somehow important, and you do not accept what is commonly understood, which is that video games are toys for recreational enjoyment.
>>730687382It'll probably get supported within monthshttps://github.com/ShadowBlip/InputPlumber
>>730688016The only time your argument is right is the 10 wii games you can use a nunchuck and wiimote in hut require no or barely any motion controls. You can just rest each arm by your side while laying down or reclined far back.
>>730687972>autist think pressing head is good, cant conceptualize soul as he lost itAutists dont realize other people can see their autism
>>730684554why is no one mentioning the risk of carpal tunnel syndrome with "the claw"?
>>730688053If I want to enjoy the sights, I'm going outside.
>brutally mogs controllers at the one single thing they're better at
>>730688134There's something wrong with anon's anatomy
>>730687972Flickstick + gyro
>>730688164>muh smooth movements>muh cinematic masterpiece>muh integrity>muh westernized ludoyou are the definition of autism
>>730687768It lets you move, look, jump, and shoot at the same time. It only doesn't fix it in the sense that this has already been fixed for the last two console generations.
If keyboards are so great, why can I 360 better on a pad?
>>730688237>no u!!!!!lol nice response bro but as you can see only autist option is PC>>730684909Autists cant understand fun as they have no friends and found "fun" in pressing 0 and 1 over and over
>>730688134You're retarded, you can literally fall asleep with a controller in your hands it's so natural. MKB you have to actively keep your arms pushed forward at a minimum.
>one needs aim assist to be playable>the other doesn'tIt's really that simple.
>>730688197If I want to challenge myself and get better at something, I'll>get a job>learn a musical instrument>go to school>drive a car>learn a tradepick one faggot.
>>730687391based, looks kino
>>730688365>t. 4000 hours mercy mainconcession accepted keep drooling like a retard fucking autist on a controller lmao
>>730685549Mouse is literally peak soul Thumbstick aiming is genuinely so shit and subhuman that it plays games for you and locks your perception so much that you come out with retarded statements like 60hz being enough
>play gta-like game with fps and vehicle sections>both M+KB or controller will suck for one of them>or go full autism and switch between controller and mouse every time you get in/out of the carIn cyberpunk I actually switched to controller for the races lel
>>730688198For me it is the Azeron.
>>730687946Same anon from last post, I don't play on consoles at all anymore. I tend to rebind either in DS4Windows, the game, or the emulator. If I need more buttons, I just set up a modifier key for macros. Also I often just emulate mouse on the right stick and DS4 touch pad. If I use native stick look support, I play with quick updating and high rate look accel so I can aim better. No need for aim assist or bullet magnetism. If I need to type, I can just put my controller down and use a keyboard.
>>730688403I already did all of those things.
>>730688451>bro pulling a trigger isnt soul bro, pressing a shitty mouse is soul broYou literally can not conceptualize soul, why do autists not understand this. Like an autist like yourself will think guitar hero is better with keyboard cause you can press 0 or 1 faster but not realizing the act of playing with the guitar controller is the soul of the game
>bro trust me using this thing that was invented over 150 years ago for a completely unrelated purpose is the superior way to control your character in modern video games
>>730687946You can on Switch
>>730688067Yeah I've read about inputplumber but never used it. Sounds promising but I'll wait for a simple GUI mapper like SC Controller to fully support it before actually buying.
>>730688451>using a work peripheral for gaming is ""soul""Soulless KBM tard lol
>>730688608>Soul is not actually playing your games and rendering yourself so mentally retarded you can't even process a better quality image because a corporation that supports rioting niggers said so
>>730686636>unironically trying to argue having shitty binary keyboard inputs is better for driving LMAOWhy are KBM troons like this
>>730689057>ermm you arent actually playing the game, you need a keyboard for guitar hero cause its better guizWe can tell you never had friends
>>730688869>controllers are totally soul bro I am a slow unthinking goy with no reflexes at all!!!!>this is you controller fags
>>730689230>Offend a controller cuck>He pulls out a tranny tacticPottery
>>730684554Controllers are more comfortable therefore they are better. I don't care if aiming is easier on kbm, i'm fine with sacrificing a bit of performance for comfort. If you take videogames so seriously that you actually give a shit about this then you're a faggot.
>>730688403Then do them again. Learn another trade. Get better at your instrument or pick up another one. There are infinity plus one useful and worthwhile things you can practice before you resort to gaming as a means of self-validation. I'd sooner take up competitive yo-yoing. If I'm loading up a video game, it's for leisure, entertainment, and enjoyment. It's to play with a digital toy box, where any challenge exists in the service of fun, not the other way around. The term "movie game" is a pejorative that rings hollow because games are not above movies and your skill at playing them deserves about as much reverence as your skill at masturbating.
>>730689264>Actually robot aspects like efficiency, precision and boiling everything do to 01 are soulSo robots are more soul than humans cause they got better precision than us. You don't know what soul is but you keep trying
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>>730684554>controllers are way better than mouse and keyboard broTrue.
>>730689449>He'd rather rape his thumbs than learn ergonomics and cozymaxx his setup
>>730689409>cant formulate a rebuttal so just spouts cuck and trannylol looks like we're done here
>>730689649How are your thumbs so weak that a controller rapes them. I don't even understand this argument, i've never had any amount of discomfort in my thumbs from using a controller.
>>730689649>cozymaxx>this is comfy bro
>>730687209I played through pandora tomorrow not knowing this until the end. Also at the end of the game, my pistol was out of ammo so the slide was locked back while holding the bad guy hostage lol. It was great game.
>>730689613Robots are the ones that do slow flat movements like a thumbstick and you don't even play your games, aim assist does, the human element is fucking goneMouse meanwhile is so human that it reflects your tiniest movements and can go as fast as your hand canThe reality is that you're so fucking bad that you need that aim assist so you're inventing excuses
>>730689662>His rebuttal is to pull out an estrogenated feminine insultGot lost on your way to a transgender gamer subreddit?
>>730689758How are you bitching about being uncomfortable on mouse and keyboard but can't understand the weaknesses of the controller?>>730689780No, it's notIt's the strawman you're pulling because you don't understand what ergonomics are
nobody has answered can you bunny hop with a controller
>>730688472>>or go full autism and switch between controller and mouse every time you get in/out of the carpeak, i did that
>>730689821Yeah bro guitar hero with keyboard is better cause it reflects the tiniest movements and those tiny movements are my 2 fingers pressing 0 and 1! Guitar controller is too hard cause I have to LIFT that heavy controller you want me to use both hands when i can use 2 fingers! Whats more efficient and precious huh!?!?!Its like im talking to an AI trying to explain soul
>>730684796>Because you can't regulate the speed of your movement on a keyboardThis is a completely irrelevant complaint since in every game you want to move at maximum possible speed at all times regardless. There is literally no purpose to "controlling the speed of your character".
>>730690108>strawman is posting how PC autists sit and is so universally known thing that people mock itOk lil bro
>>730690220>want to move at maximum possible speed at all times regardless.The mind of an autist at full display
I use a controller for third person games and platformers, a fightstick for fighting games and a keyboard/mouse for everything else. Why are we arguing?
>>730685535Souless faggot
>>730690257Just because you're too stupid to understand what you're doing doesn't mean it's not a strawman No one can make you sit like that and if that's what you default to that's on you
first person games make it impossible to press any of A,B,X,Y while moving around without doing some weird twister grip on the controller
>>730690108I fully understand the weaknesses. I just don't care because it's comfier and videogames are a leisure activity. Comfort and enjoyment are far more important than performance.
>2 button argument>doesnt realize his controller heatmap is RB/RT (if soulsfag) or X/O (if godofwarfag)
>>730690185As long as your definition of soul involves robotic movements with an analog stick where aim assist plays games for you we have nothing to discussYour definition of soul is being given out good performance for no effort like a nigger on ebt
>>730684554Console is responsible for hotbars having 8 slots instead of 10 and its very annoying.
>>730684554no accounting for taste
>>730690740And that's because you didn't even tryYou don't need to sit at a desk and you don't need wires$200 on a good wireless keyboard, vertical mouse and a glass mousepad and you can put that shit anywhere
Normalize back buttons.My dualsense edge and switch 2 pro are amazing for having back buttons and while use cases are limited for what I do play generally, being able to use the right stick and still do other things is fantastic.
Back buttons are pretty brown coded if you think about it ngl
