>controllers are way better than mouse and keyboard bro>trust me bro I cant use a keyboard and mouse it sucks>hold on a second I have to move, look, jump and sho-AAAAAAAAAAACCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKWhy was this even a debate?
>>730684554lowest common denominator gets confused at keyboard
Because you can't regulate the speed of your movement on a keyboard since you don't have a second mouse for your second input. So in third person KBM always looks retards since you character has to either run or slow walk at all times
>>730684796>What are hall-effect keyboards?
Controller is soul, sorry you got autism lil bro
>>730684796That is an autistic thing to give a shit about. Third person and driving games are fine with kb+m if you dont exclusively breathe through your mouth. What situation do you really need to regulate your speed when you could just add crouching or shift to walk like half life 1?
>>730684909Now compare a mouse aiming to joystick aiming. How's bunnyhopping with a controller btw?
>>730684796when has this ever mattered in any game ever
Despite me playing shooters exclusively on console - from the OG Xbox all the way to the tail-end of the Xbox One/PS4 generation - I was able to totally obliterate all of my records within the first week of playing with a mouse.
>>730684554monster hunter on the ps2 be like
>>730684950>>730685064Yeah you don't NEED it, it's just nice to have. If you can choose between something slightly nicer and slightly shittier, why chose the slightly shittier option? You have a gamepad right, they're not expensive>driving games are fine with kb+m if you drive with WASD you are genuinely subhuman
>>730684796Why would you play a game without sprinting at all times - assuming there is no stamina system?
>>730685261Because I'm not a 12 year old ADHD faggot?
>>730684796Regulating the speed of your movement is fine for those games that its important in, for First Person/Shooter games its less an issue because you want to be moving at full speed anyways almost always.
>>730685361Fucking hell. Don't tell me that you actually "take in the scene" in a damn video game.Kill yourself.
>>730685018Joystick is more natural movement, while mouse is autism spasming around like the screenSoul vs soulless again, next
>>730685234>if you drive with WASD you are genuinely subhumanIf you cant understand why WASD is superior for driving then you a legitimately brain damaged.
>>730684554Steam controller will fix this
>>730684554>online vidya / rts vidya / crpg vidyamouse and kb naturally, especially if its competitive or complex, fast reflexes, snappy, accurate, powerful>relaxing singleplayer story oriented vidya, visual novels, movie games, action adventure, souls-likes, arpgs, etc.controller for comfort, leaning back in gamer chair, smooth camera movements for cinematic feel
>>730685535Yeah I do actually enjoy video games and like to be immersed in them. Also modern third person games have full blown animations that you can't even trigger without gamepad because they're inbetween the "slow walking" and "full run" animation cycles. Don't tell me it's a good thing that you literally can't experience the content of the game>>730685557Even when I was 12 and had no gamepad I had enough brain cells to play racing games with mouse controls. Because driving with WASD is fucking retarded
>>730685557Yes just like irl you want to drive with two buttons that turn your wheels all the way left/right
>>730685787I don't fucking care about your gay-ass movie games.
>>730685549God youre such a hopeless retard, explain aim assist then, fuckass
>>730686265You keep moving the goalpost without even acknowledging PC is soulless as evident with its binary input system, why is that
You guys know you can use a m/kb for some games and a controller for others, right?
>>730685787>play racing games with mouse controls.You are retarded.>>730686010Yes typical wheelchair and helmet wearer.>I gotta make a slight turn>let me hold A or D for 5 seconds>wtf???????????????????>why did i turn into the wall>this sucks the a and d keys turn my steering all the wayWhat is holding a or d slightly less when turning? You can try tapping them instead really fast if you cant comprehend it.
>>730684796>unc doesn't know there's a shift key and a ctrl key
>>730686634picrel is the only type of game that really needed a controller. Everything else is a disadvantage with a controller.
>>730684554Even soulslikes and slashers are better on kbm
>>730684554>invents back buttonsheh, nothing personal mousefags
>>730686782>you need an extra third party peripheral to make the games playable with the controller that came with the systemconsole gaming so nice isn't it? I can still use my PS/2 ball mice if I want to :)
>>730686439Your IQ is showing and it is absolutely abysmal.
>>730687013Oh my what a compelling retort, you won the internet good sir!
>>730686782>invents back buttons>gets blocked by 170+ patentslol, lmao even
Man I love controling my new video games with a fucking typewriter
>>730686882Meanwhile PC fats have to get third party peripherals from doctors for their damaged lower back, their neck and the wrists lol
>>730684796>controls speed with mouse wheel effortlessly nothing personell, consolefag
Controller is more comfortable so I use it as much as I can, but for anything that requires moderate to heavy aiming I can't abide.
>>730687205>average console gamerNo thanks
>>730684554that's what back buttons are for
Some games are just more comfortable playing with a controller (and vice versa re keyboard/mouse). Gay conversation to have about whats superior.
>>730684554ENTER
>>730685776Genuinely the first and only controller I've been looking forward to ever since the original Steam Controller. But I'm a bit disappointed due to the integrated battery instead of swappable AAs that just werk.And also I'm not buying until there's 3rd party, open-source, non-Steam software that lets you map it.
>here's your controller bro
>>730684796Dunno about others but Wooting keyboards can already regulate your speed based on how far down the key is pressed.
>>730687320Why do you like your hands being so close together on a controller? Is your frame perhaps small you twink?
>>730687209The scroll wheel really is underutilized when it comes to PC games. All its really used for is zooming.
>>730687326>posts a successful rich man with a family and kidsMeanwhile you
>>730687528It's my dedicated pickup button in open world slop games. Shit's so comfy not having to lift a finger off wasd to press e
>>730687428It's about resting your arms. You can completely rest your arms on your lap, whereas a MKB you have to keep them upright and forward.
Can your guys keyboard or mouse vibrate?
>>730685776it doesn't "fix" what the mentally ill autist OP is talking about, but that's ok, you're also retarded.
>>730684554Bind jump to a shoulder button or trigger, how is that hard?
>>730687691My hands are too close I start feeling tension in my pecs. I guess the duke was okay. Sorry your frames too wide maybe try some pushups.
>>730687714Technically yea>xbox controller plugged in>play vidya with kbm>get achievement>controller vibrates for 5 seconds at max intensity >table shakes, everything rattles
>>730687714No they lack that soul since autists like to strip away everything until its 0 or 1
>>730684796we got analog keyboards now grandpa
>>730684554Back buttons, incel.
>>730684554Real gamers know how to use both. Also other input devices like wheels and joysticks.
>>730686439damn its worse than I thought
>>730684554Git good.
>>730687774>Bind jump to a shoulder button or trigger, how is that hard?I haven't had a console in years but I remember early ps1 games let you rebind your controls completely, I think some n64 games did too.But from GC/PS2 to ps4/xbox one, reminding your controls doesnt fucking exist besides maybe a few preset options. Consoles dont give their users options at all because the raped accept their fate, idk about the new consoles though if they finally fucking fixed that.
>muh back buttonsyou'll still be required to use heavy aim assist, camera reset spamming, easymode.controllers are dogshit, simple as.
>>730687858Do you aim with that backbuttons? Do those fix aiming with a joystick?
>>730687793Sounds like you're the one with the weird body problem if you can't literally rest your hands on your lap without straining. I can use a MKB without strain, it's just mildly less comfortable.
>>730687825Feels nowhere as good as a stick but you do you champ
>>730686050We get it, you only play balls-out super difficult games that try to rape your anus at every given moment. You play those because you value your skill as a gamer like it's somehow important, and you do not accept what is commonly understood, which is that video games are toys for recreational enjoyment.
>>730687382It'll probably get supported within monthshttps://github.com/ShadowBlip/InputPlumber
>>730688016The only time your argument is right is the 10 wii games you can use a nunchuck and wiimote in hut require no or barely any motion controls. You can just rest each arm by your side while laying down or reclined far back.
>>730687972>autist think pressing head is good, cant conceptualize soul as he lost itAutists dont realize other people can see their autism
>>730684554why is no one mentioning the risk of carpal tunnel syndrome with "the claw"?
>>730688053If I want to enjoy the sights, I'm going outside.
>brutally mogs controllers at the one single thing they're better at
>>730688134There's something wrong with anon's anatomy
>>730687972Flickstick + gyro
>>730688164>muh smooth movements>muh cinematic masterpiece>muh integrity>muh westernized ludoyou are the definition of autism
>>730687768It lets you move, look, jump, and shoot at the same time. It only doesn't fix it in the sense that this has already been fixed for the last two console generations.
If keyboards are so great, why can I 360 better on a pad?
>>730688237>no u!!!!!lol nice response bro but as you can see only autist option is PC>>730684909Autists cant understand fun as they have no friends and found "fun" in pressing 0 and 1 over and over
>>730688134You're retarded, you can literally fall asleep with a controller in your hands it's so natural. MKB you have to actively keep your arms pushed forward at a minimum.
>one needs aim assist to be playable>the other doesn'tIt's really that simple.
>>730688197If I want to challenge myself and get better at something, I'll>get a job>learn a musical instrument>go to school>drive a car>learn a tradepick one faggot.
>>730687391based, looks kino
>>730688365>t. 4000 hours mercy mainconcession accepted keep drooling like a retard fucking autist on a controller lmao
>>730685549Mouse is literally peak soul Thumbstick aiming is genuinely so shit and subhuman that it plays games for you and locks your perception so much that you come out with retarded statements like 60hz being enough
>play gta-like game with fps and vehicle sections>both M+KB or controller will suck for one of them>or go full autism and switch between controller and mouse every time you get in/out of the carIn cyberpunk I actually switched to controller for the races lel
>>730688198For me it is the Azeron.
>>730687946Same anon from last post, I don't play on consoles at all anymore. I tend to rebind either in DS4Windows, the game, or the emulator. If I need more buttons, I just set up a modifier key for macros. Also I often just emulate mouse on the right stick and DS4 touch pad. If I use native stick look support, I play with quick updating and high rate look accel so I can aim better. No need for aim assist or bullet magnetism. If I need to type, I can just put my controller down and use a keyboard.
>>730688403I already did all of those things.
>>730688451>bro pulling a trigger isnt soul bro, pressing a shitty mouse is soul broYou literally can not conceptualize soul, why do autists not understand this. Like an autist like yourself will think guitar hero is better with keyboard cause you can press 0 or 1 faster but not realizing the act of playing with the guitar controller is the soul of the game
>bro trust me using this thing that was invented over 150 years ago for a completely unrelated purpose is the superior way to control your character in modern video games
>>730687946You can on Switch
>>730688067Yeah I've read about inputplumber but never used it. Sounds promising but I'll wait for a simple GUI mapper like SC Controller to fully support it before actually buying.
>>730688451>using a work peripheral for gaming is ""soul""Soulless KBM tard lol
>>730688608>Soul is not actually playing your games and rendering yourself so mentally retarded you can't even process a better quality image because a corporation that supports rioting niggers said so
>>730686636>unironically trying to argue having shitty binary keyboard inputs is better for driving LMAOWhy are KBM troons like this
>>730689057>ermm you arent actually playing the game, you need a keyboard for guitar hero cause its better guizWe can tell you never had friends
>>730688869>controllers are totally soul bro I am a slow unthinking goy with no reflexes at all!!!!>this is you controller fags
>>730689230>Offend a controller cuck>He pulls out a tranny tacticPottery
>>730684554Controllers are more comfortable therefore they are better. I don't care if aiming is easier on kbm, i'm fine with sacrificing a bit of performance for comfort. If you take videogames so seriously that you actually give a shit about this then you're a faggot.
>>730688403Then do them again. Learn another trade. Get better at your instrument or pick up another one. There are infinity plus one useful and worthwhile things you can practice before you resort to gaming as a means of self-validation. I'd sooner take up competitive yo-yoing. If I'm loading up a video game, it's for leisure, entertainment, and enjoyment. It's to play with a digital toy box, where any challenge exists in the service of fun, not the other way around. The term "movie game" is a pejorative that rings hollow because games are not above movies and your skill at playing them deserves about as much reverence as your skill at masturbating.
>>730689264>Actually robot aspects like efficiency, precision and boiling everything do to 01 are soulSo robots are more soul than humans cause they got better precision than us. You don't know what soul is but you keep trying
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>>730684554>controllers are way better than mouse and keyboard broTrue.
>>730689449>He'd rather rape his thumbs than learn ergonomics and cozymaxx his setup
>>730689409>cant formulate a rebuttal so just spouts cuck and trannylol looks like we're done here
>>730689649How are your thumbs so weak that a controller rapes them. I don't even understand this argument, i've never had any amount of discomfort in my thumbs from using a controller.
>>730689649>cozymaxx>this is comfy bro
>>730687209I played through pandora tomorrow not knowing this until the end. Also at the end of the game, my pistol was out of ammo so the slide was locked back while holding the bad guy hostage lol. It was great game.
>>730689613Robots are the ones that do slow flat movements like a thumbstick and you don't even play your games, aim assist does, the human element is fucking goneMouse meanwhile is so human that it reflects your tiniest movements and can go as fast as your hand canThe reality is that you're so fucking bad that you need that aim assist so you're inventing excuses
>>730689662>His rebuttal is to pull out an estrogenated feminine insultGot lost on your way to a transgender gamer subreddit?
>>730689758How are you bitching about being uncomfortable on mouse and keyboard but can't understand the weaknesses of the controller?>>730689780No, it's notIt's the strawman you're pulling because you don't understand what ergonomics are
nobody has answered can you bunny hop with a controller
>>730688472>>or go full autism and switch between controller and mouse every time you get in/out of the carpeak, i did that
>>730689821Yeah bro guitar hero with keyboard is better cause it reflects the tiniest movements and those tiny movements are my 2 fingers pressing 0 and 1! Guitar controller is too hard cause I have to LIFT that heavy controller you want me to use both hands when i can use 2 fingers! Whats more efficient and precious huh!?!?!Its like im talking to an AI trying to explain soul
>>730684796>Because you can't regulate the speed of your movement on a keyboardThis is a completely irrelevant complaint since in every game you want to move at maximum possible speed at all times regardless. There is literally no purpose to "controlling the speed of your character".
>>730690108>strawman is posting how PC autists sit and is so universally known thing that people mock itOk lil bro
>>730690220>want to move at maximum possible speed at all times regardless.The mind of an autist at full display
I use a controller for third person games and platformers, a fightstick for fighting games and a keyboard/mouse for everything else. Why are we arguing?
>>730685535Souless faggot
>>730690257Just because you're too stupid to understand what you're doing doesn't mean it's not a strawman No one can make you sit like that and if that's what you default to that's on you
first person games make it impossible to press any of A,B,X,Y while moving around without doing some weird twister grip on the controller
>>730690108I fully understand the weaknesses. I just don't care because it's comfier and videogames are a leisure activity. Comfort and enjoyment are far more important than performance.
>2 button argument>doesnt realize his controller heatmap is RB/RT (if soulsfag) or X/O (if godofwarfag)
>>730690185As long as your definition of soul involves robotic movements with an analog stick where aim assist plays games for you we have nothing to discussYour definition of soul is being given out good performance for no effort like a nigger on ebt
>>730684554Console is responsible for hotbars having 8 slots instead of 10 and its very annoying.
>>730684554no accounting for taste
>>730690740And that's because you didn't even tryYou don't need to sit at a desk and you don't need wires$200 on a good wireless keyboard, vertical mouse and a glass mousepad and you can put that shit anywhere
Normalize back buttons.My dualsense edge and switch 2 pro are amazing for having back buttons and while use cases are limited for what I do play generally, being able to use the right stick and still do other things is fantastic.
Back buttons are pretty brown coded if you think about it ngl
>>730684796>you can't regulate the speed of your movement on a keyboardThe only speeds that matter are>Stationary>FASTESTIf I wanted to go slower, I'd tap my movement key really quick or use one of the many things that are almost certain to exist in the game like crouching, crawling, aiming down sights, holding the block button, etc.
>>730688198I owned one of the variants of this. No, no it does not.
>>730691019What the fuck are even talking about. I never said anything about desks or wires retard. I'm saying that a controller is more comfortable to actually hold and use than kbm is.
>>730691278I don't care that you're too retarded to understand ergonomicsWhat I said are the ingredients to making a setup where you're just sitting there ergonomicsmaxxed, your arms are completely limp and supported and there's zero strain
>>730691521Oh ok I get it now, you're just a retarded illiterate nigger.
>>730691675Ok I get it now, you're such a fucking moron that you don't understand how your setup and environment has an impact on ergonomics and don't see how repositioning and rearranging it has an impact on comfortDo you think there's no difference between sleeping on the floor and a premium memory foam mattress too?
>>730690724Just because you personally dont do a thing doesn't mean its a strawman and millions of people dont do it
>try a fps game with a controller >get motion sickthe camera control with the stick is too slow even when setting its speed to max ingameI also get motion sick from the camera in Mario 64 and thus I could never play it from start to finish, though I haven't tried the pc port where the game runs at 60fps and I may not have issues because of it
>>730691794>I mimic bad habits because I saw someone do itSo you're a child?
>>730690856>no U are robotic!!!! Binary 0 1 key isnt soulless guiz even though every robot works off binary switches!!!!Damn bro nice rebuttal
>>730691908Its so hard to talk to an autist cause he can't understand anything but himself, he cant conceptualize im talking about other peoples behavior and not about myself
>>730684554First person games unironically are better with the joycon 2 because you can mouse aim, access all the face buttons and shoulder buttons easily, and have analog movement with the left stick to fine tune your movement. Same gows for any shooter. Third person games like RPGs and platformers are better with pure controller input. Keyboard and mouse WAS better for shooters until the release of the switch 2 and I am not joking.
If you need a flat surface to play then its a shit control method
>>730691912You do know all games are just fucking math being displayed as images right?Analog sticks are fundamentally less fucking human since they can't represent human head and hand motion as faithfully as the mouseYou can't do sharp quick movements, you need to robotically turn with thumbsticks and you're overshootingYou don't overshoot your head and hand movements in real life
>>730692024Why are you bringing up unrelated random people out of nowhere? Are you a child that doesn't understand we're not talking about generalizations? Do you perceive your actions through some societal approval filter and can't act for yourself?
>>730691769I'm talking about my fingers you dipshit. Playing games on kbm is more awkward and uncomfortable for my fingers because the button layout is shit for gaming. No amount of ergonomics or changing how I position my arms is going to change that you fucking monkey.
>>730692235>You can't do sharp quick movementsSo show me you moving your head faster than a mouse spinning in a 360 circle
>>730685261you're the guy who keeps summoning me in souls games, taking 5 minutes to find another summon, sprinting off edges and directly into boss attacks and dying instantly wasting everyone's time.
>>730692317>Why are you bringing up unrelated random people out of nowhereCaise thats how majority pc fats are and the point, but youre only argument is muh strawman. >majority killers are black>UHH THATS STRAWMAN CAUSE I KNOW GOOD BLACK GUY
>>730692618>Playing games on kbm is more awkward and uncomfortable for my fingers because the button layout is shit for gaming. No amount of ergonomics or changing how I position my arms is going to change that you fucking monkey.But it fucking will retard
>>730692704Your response should’ve been “faster than a thumbstick moving in a 360 degree circle”
I can't imagine gaming with a keyboard anymore. It's so unbelievably uncomfortable.
>>730692704Yes, a mouse can in fact do superhuman movements, while a controller is limited to subhuman ones that can't even represent the full range of human movements
>>730685535>>730685787If you want to take in the environment KB/M is orders of magnitude better because it's so much quicker and easier to just look around.Go look at gameplay footage of someone playing a game blind on KB/M and Controller and it's night and day.Players look around so much less on gamepad that it's an active design consideration that every new sight needs to be in front of the player if you're designing for controller users.
>>730692820>Caise thats how majority pc fats are and the point, That was never the point?Imagine being such a fucking tool that you need to follow other people even if they're obviously doing things the way you don't want to do it
>>730692830>unironically using that thinglollmao
the joke is this “debate” ended when the only way to make shooters “fun” to play on consoles was auto-aim, in 2001, with halo
>>730692914>Yes, a mouse can in fact do superhuman movementsNope it does ROBOT movements. Replace humans with robots and AI cause they are more precise and efficient at everything! Autists have robot thinking process
>>730693050So you're letting appearances get in the way of function even in the comfort of your own home?What are you, a metrosexual faggot with ball strangling jeans?
>>730685549>This thing that was designed specifically to be easy for this task but is crippled and useless is soul>this thing that was designed for something else but has been leveraged as the best input method for games for generations, despite it being more awkward to use is soullessYou do not fucking understand what soul or soulless mean you golem. You don't belong here.
>>730693040>That was never the point?>first reply is talking about an image where the majority see how PC players position themselves and is mocking them cause its that ubiquitous and known that it became a memeEverything thinks pc fats sit like that, just cause you personally don't doesn't matter at all and is a outlier
>>730693194I'm not wasting money on a meme keyboard when I have a perfectly good controller that still probably feels better.
>>730693064Controller thumbstick movements are way more robotic than a mouseThis isn't even up for dispute, you can do perfectly straight lines and linear curves on a controller with no effort while a mouse shows off all the tiny deviations along the wayAnd to top it off you need to cake those movements with aim assist
>>730693064You’re acting like you’ve never heard an odd noise or seen something unexpected out of the corner of your eye and snapped to direct attention at the source. Shit between eyes and neck, you can easily look directly behind you in less than half a second. Sticks can’t represent this.
>>730693283>probablySour grapesI know how it feels to use a controller and my setup is way more relaxed than thatBut you're coping and guessing to make excuses for not even trying to do beyond the bare minimum
>>730693217>the best input method for games for generations, despite it being more awkwardSee >>730684909You believe its "best" cause you minmax the game to its bare minimum experience of pressing 0 or 1 to play the game. Thats like thinking dance dance revolution is better on keyboard than a dancepad because its "better" and more "efficient" without realizing the soul of DDR is physically dancing. You acknowledge keyboard is awkward yet dont realize you are admitting its a worse feeling experience but its better cause you beat DDR more efficiently this awkward way
>>730693227And I think you're a faggot, are you going to start sucking cock to fill in the expectations or are you ready to act like an individual?
>>730684554Controllers do some thing better than KBM does.>more comfy for simple inputs>analog sticks are far superior for 3D movementKBM does other things exceptionally well like aiming or point/clickOne major point for PC gaming is that you can easily pick peripherals so just whatever, retard>>730685064thirdworld cope>>730693217sticks are specifically made for 3d movement
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>>730692896Thanks for the damning evidence proving that most /v/ users are disabled and can't into games properly
>>730693332>Controller thumbstick movements are way more robotic than a mouseWatching gameplay of any game disprove your point.Controller users look around more natural like a human looking and aiming around while pc gameplay looks like everyone is twitching their head around a room and doesn't look how you would look around a room, no one is turning their head 180 in half a milisecond. You have to wait for your head and turn neck and turn your shoulder before you can naturally look behind. While in a game you can press a button and see 180 instantly and faster than a human can do a 180
>>730693412>bro trust me kbm is totally way better you just have to dump $200+ on this ugly meme "keyboard" and then its way better and more comfortable trust me bro
>>730693367Mouse is way faster than that, you can snap your view faster in a game then its possible for a human to do a 180 snap view
>>730693807>Bro trust me sleeping on the bed is actually better than sleeping on the floor but you have to pay for it even though it's this ugly white color while my floor has those cool wooden patterns
>>730693791you can do an instant 180 on a controller too, you just have to press a button to do it
Bro's actually comparing a fucking meme gaming "keyboard" to a piece of furniture that's essential to daily life lmao
>>730684554What kind of fuck head holds their controller like this
>>730693791>Being more animated and twitchy is somehow proof of mouse users being more roboticthat's complete fucking oppositeControllers don't fucking look around at all, it's like a fucking biological robot ony doing the bare minimum necessary functions
>>730693791Cope this is peak natural humanlike nonrobotic etc etc
>>730694096>So petty and defeated he can't spare a (You)I accept your concessionPlaying games isn't essential to your daily life eitherWhy don't you just eat rice and potatoes? Those snacks aren't essentialWhy do you have any entertainment at all? Just sleep all day, conserve your energy, that's not essential
>>730693791Try using these two methods to control the camera while using VR to disprove your point. Controlling your view with an analog stick feels really unnatural because it is way to smooth and slow. It really makes it feel like you are just sitting on some contraption that is spinning you around. Mouse (or gyro) doesn't feel particularly great either, but the more snappy movement does feel better and closer to a natural movement.
>>730684554>Why was this even a debate?It's not. Mouse and keyboard is for anything first person, any RTS, tactics or sim game, or third person shooters. Controller is for third person action, platformers and 2D games. Only retarded third worlders with shitty PCs and office keyboards pretend they're master race for not being able to afford a controller for the games it's better in.>>730685776The patent troll faggots who've held on to controllers with rear buttons have been a blight on gaming. If this controller design becomes standard and back buttons can be used for modifiers, things are going to get much better for games in general.
Bro's still on about this shit, i'm not buying your Salvador Dali ass keyboard lmao
>>730694378>Controller is for third person action, platformers and 2D gameswrongwrongand wrong againproven many times in ITT's webm's
>>730687714I played Astrobot on my brother's PS5 and now I want all controllers to have those features because the tactile feedback is amazing.
>>730694378the thing about controllers is that they're fundamentally flawedyou need to do weird grips like the one in the op to have more than two thumbs spread across the whole controller face doing fucking everything
>platformers are better on controllers!!!https://youtu.be/55MynfkEKuk?t=11you can't do this on a controller
>>730684909>speed depends on how far you push it>basically zero games do thisLMAO
>>730694447You're brown and retarded and don't play video games.>>730694484>you need to do weird grips like the one in the op to have more than two thumbs spread across the whole controller face doing fucking everythingThis is the most retarded argument of all times and is on par with saying mouse and keyboard is awkward because you can't have your thumb on the space bar, x, c, v and b at the same time.
>>730694171>Controllers don't fucking look around at allWhy you post shit like this as if any one believes you, i can easily look around with a controller. Just cause you can't or don't even own a controller. Hyperbolic statements just make you loon like a fool.
>>730694414>Negro speakYou lost, you're so fucking brown that you don't understand why anyone would want more than a bare necessity while hypocritically doing more than bare necessity in your life
>>730694447Why would I ever play DMC or Elden Ring with a keyboard
Bro's still fuckin yapping lollmao even
>>730694548A lot of games have it what are you on about, i slow walk in a lot of games with a controller
>>730694552alright then, which fucking fingers go on the 4 side buttons and the d pad?you have to do the OP grip for it to not be a fucking thumb
>>730693791>controllers are inefficient and slow and shitYes.
>>730694571>I can look around, I just don't do it because it's less comfortable and human than doing so in real life!
>>730694589Because you can have more fingers on separate buttons at the same time? Plus you get an easy to control camera using your mouse which also has buttons (might be a new concept for controller peasants)>>730694552Fuck off brownoid you have shit takes while playing both sides. Actual real life inhuman kekold right over here. Every third person game is better with m+kb and you can gag on your own balls if you have a different take. Kys.
>>730694675Are you genuinely so fucking retarded that you didn't understand what I was saying with my keyboard analogy? How stupid and brown are you? The point is that sometimes you have to move your fingers, and neither control scheme is designed for having all buttons able to be pressed from any single hand position.
>>730693536I'm full with Extasy to see you here, Brother. Fact is, I want Kone and whatever I possibly could accept as Kone in a Time, ranging from Excrements as a Meal, reaching a Man that Cares cluelessly of my Nature. In Fecet, I do possess Men and not the other Way around - A Turd in My ass makes it my own and a Part of a Man is, well, the Man and eating it makes me the Man an that logi-cow.
>>730694737>while playing both sides.It's not a sides thing. Anyone who actually plays on PC and isn't a third worlder on a poverty PC with an office monitor and keyboard knows the strength of PC is the freedom to do whatever the fuck you want.>Every third person game is better with m+kb and you can gag on your own balls if you have a different take. Wrong.>KysShitskin child.
>>730684554For 3d games If the camera is fixed and you need to change the direction of the camera then keyboard and mouse is best. If the camera is floating then controller is better.
>>730694746are you so fucking retarded that you don't understand the issue with having to do retarded grips or having to drop movement and camera controls for the d pad and the action buttons?
>>730684554just use a controller with programmable buttons, claw grip shouldn't be a thing anymore in 2026
>>730685064>>730690220>>730691174Outer Wilds
I have nerve damage that makes WASD unbearable. I can play with a DualSense all day without issues. Even before my accident (running upstairs and falling, kek), WASD was only enjoyable for WoW and Unreal Tournament. With action/adventure, platformers, and soulslikes, they feel clunky to me without a controller. I don't know how the fuck younger people can bear to use on-screen controls on a phone. My thumb always loses its place without the physical feedback of sticks and buttons and making a conscious effort to maintain accurate digit placement on the screen detracts from the game, as if having the sides of the screen partially covered isn't distracting enough. If you have literally nothing else, it's better than nothing, but at that point, I'd personally rather do something else.
>>730694827>my IQ is so low that I must use a controller in souls games because the UI designers didn't add m+kb button promptsYou are only exposing your intellect, or lack thereof. Brownoid. Hahaha
>>730684554works on my machinemaybe don't be a drooling tard with special needsbut I know that's a lot to ask from a spreadsheet terminal user instead of someone who knows how to play video games
>>730694868>the issue with having to do retarded gripsNot a thing except for AC.>or having to drop movement and camera controls for the d pad and the action buttons?Explain why you need to move with an analogue stick while also using the d-pad while also moving the camera and also hitting face buttons? Give me some real game scenarios and not angry third world monkey shitpost noises.>>730694936You're a third world child with no education who never has and never will accomplish anything. You think constant fast camera movement is more important than precise character control in a third person action game. That makes you a monkey.
>>730693913Faster than is better than slower than
>>730695006>explain why it's fine to completely retardify the control scheme because controllers have access to way fewer buttons?it's self explanatory, no?
>>730694712Yeah replace humans with AI they are more efficient, companies are doing the right thing huh?
>>730695057Yeah i use chatgpt cause its faster than drawing, faster is better than slow
>>730695101>get asked to give specific examples instead of screeching like a turd world monkey>cant give any examples>screech like a turd world monkeyThe people who get mad at controllers are always brown kids who can't afford them.
>>730695006>muh precisionIf you want peak precision, KBM is what you use.>muh character controlI can move infinite directions in any souls game *without* having to lock-on, unlike controllertrannies such as you who depend on assists such as locking on. You are so brown and a non-gamer that you can't even grasp the concept of what a video game is, lmfao. Fuckin browd turd favela monkey kek
>>730684554>move, look, jump and shootAssigning primary functions to the shoulder buttons solved this. That said,>dual analog aimingThat also said,>playing a shooter
>>730694728What are you on about
>>730695194>If you want peak precision, KBM is what you use.Show me you running in a relatively tight circle in a third person game. Not an octagon, a circle. You're pretending keyboard has more precision, so prove it or shut the fuck up. You can have a reply when you post that.
>>730695275W --------------> turn mouseINSANELY HARD TO GRASP, IKR?
>>730695319>no webmDidn't think so, brown monkey child.
>>730695357>muh demandsHow about you perform a jump off a bridge while your character circles like a retard? Just for laughs :). Brownoid
>>730695182i don't play complex shit on children's toys anywhere near as much as you to have an opinion on thiscontrollers factually require spreading such a huge fucking chunk of controls onto so few fingers and it's a design problem whether you want to admit it or not
He constantly talks about precision aiming with a mouse but precision doesn't matter in movement where WASD is less precision than a stick which you can get more precision movement
>>730695240That you don't move your camera around while playing games anywhere as much as anyone with a mouse would?Being more animated is better than being lethargic and only moving when you have to, that's not how human attention works unless you're actually fucking dissociating and sick
>>730695470>>precision doesn't matter in movement>t. 10 year old who has never played an arena shooter
>>730695448>i don't play complex shit on children's toys anywhere near as much as you to have an opinion on thisYou need to stop trying to sound smart. It's not working.>and it's a design problem whether you want to admit it or notOnly if you're so impossibly fucking retarded that you think the only vector for measuring an input device is how many discrete actions you have access to at once. Are you that impossibly fucking retarded?
>>730695548>Only if you're so impossibly fucking retarded that you think the only vector for measuring an input device is how many discrete actions you have access to at once. Are you that impossibly fucking retarded?and that's not important because you said so?fundamentally all controllers really have is the left analog stick, they suck on multitasking and they suck on camera precision
>>730684554Controllers just need to standardize these back handle buttons. It's amazing they haven't done it yet and it's the only thing holding controllers back. Even if these "gl/gr" buttons have redundant mappings like jump on the back of the controller and also on the face buttons, it will help in situations where you have to jump and use the control stick at the same time.
