Think about it. Ever since Skyrim there hasn't been a single game that came even remotely close to the scope of TES. No studio wants to attempt that and at best you have Obsidian with janky AA-scale stuff like Avowed that's just shitty nostalgia bait with trailers using "WE MADE NEW VEGAS (they didn't)" slogans.Looking at Starfield it feels like not even Bethesda themselves are capable anymore of making another TES game, and they have an engine specifically for it they have been refusing to let go for decades now.I don't think even Rockstar, if they tried with their insane budgets, could make a proper RPG with actual freedom. Seriously, i don't recall any other open world game like that where you can play multiple classes, from warrior, to mage to thief with mechanics supplementing all of that, can join multiple factions, explore entire country with cities, villages etc. It probably just cannot be done anymore, which is why it's been so long since we got a new TES game.
>>730686249The KCD games do
>>730686249BG3 is better than Skyrim.
Fallout is better than Skyrim
>>730686309>play as the same dude in the same "class" in a realistic/historical settingIt's nowhere near close.
>>730686249>black lipstick
>>730686249I'm not reading that, post vampire women instead.
>>730686445Skyrim didn't have classes you dingus. And you basically play the same guy every time.
>>730686249Because Skyrim already exists. You'd have to spend a bazillion dollars to develop a game that gets people to move on from that, and at that point you develop a live service game instead because it's more profitable.This is how vidya is now. The HD generation produced a bunch of games that are still the best in their genre today and nobody's moving on from them because why would they? Civ V has double the players of Civ VII.
>>730686249Skyrim would be a pretty dog shit game if it didn't get the mod support to save it. No other game gets that support.But to answer your question, the answer is Morrowind. Morrowind is Bethesda's only good Vanilla game and the game that fleshed out TES World Building and Lore to elevate the setting into one of the greatest fantasy universes. No other Open World RPG will ever have world building or lore as good as TES regardless of how much better other system may be.
You betrayed her trust /v/. Shame on you.
>>730686249skyrim isnt good, its carried by over a decade of mods, its the mods that are goodno game aiming to be better than skyrim can as it doesnt have that many years of mods behind it
>>730686528Ok
The reason Bethesda won't change the engine and won't fix bugs because they just refuse to touch the codebase with a 10-foot pole or it will all break into million pieces. It's decades of legacy features.Even 10 years of autistic modding couldn't fix most of the shit in this game, to the point that for Morrowind, there's a fan project of rewriting the entire fucking game in a new engine that handles everything better.
>>730686582I like vanilla oblivion too, although mostly just for the goof factor.
>>730686612>>730686582With mods you have to deal with autistic authors and modders who throw a fit over minor offence and delete all their mods from stores.Not to mention Nexus is fucking retarded.
>>730686968Most games will never reach the level of mods and autism needed to have a "good modding scene". It's generally just UI and visual changes for 99% of games.
There's Elden Ring
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>>730686582>>730686612>>730687154Mods are so overrated. The only mods worth using are ones that just add qol or enhance vanilla content. 99.99% of all mods that actually add new content are trash made by retards with horrible taste who make mods because they couldn't cut it as a real game dev.
>>730686648I don't understand why redditors keep spouting this ancient memeThey not only rewrote the engine with every new game, they re-released skyrim and fo4 and made bugfix patches for them like a hundred fucking times, to the point that modders want them to STOP doing that because all it does is break modsThey literally remade Oblivion with UE5 doing all the rendering and the>muh engine muh enginememe still doesn't fucking die, it's wildThen if they did ditch all their in-house tech you'd say>>UE5>no wonder it's laggy!
>>730686582Normies don't know and if they do don't care, about mods; they've been playing vanilla Skyrim for 15 years and loving it.
>>730686648>The reason Bethesda won't change the engineThey have, twice. Saying Creation 2 is Gamebryo is like saying source 2 is the same as GoldSRC.>nd won't fix bugs because they just refuse to touch the codebase with a 10-foot pole or it will all break into million piecesThe entire reason Starfield took as long as it did to come out was because they were redoing most of the engine. Even The Todd talked about how the engine rewrite was taking longer then they expected.
>>730687445Creation 2 is Gamebryo.
>>730686968>Deal with The scenario you're describing is extraordinarily rare, and you have almost no reason to interact directly with modders beyond bug reports and suggestions. 99% of the time, the worst you'll deal with (as in read as you scroll by) is some fag being passive aggressive over annoyance about someone not reading fully reading the installation guide, calling their mod shit/haram, or something else along those lines.
Wasn't Tainted Grail The Fall of Avalon a hit that even /vrpg/fags like
>>730686628wat
>>730686602I can't cuck the king of rape now can I
>>730688043Tainted Grail isn't like Skyrim.
>>730686463What is that gif supposed to convey?
>>730686249>Seriously, i don't recall any other open world game like that where you can play multiple classes, from warrior, to mage to thief with mechanics supplementing all of that, can join multiple factions, explore entire country with cities, villages etcTainted grail comes close to this without the factions part. Same with enderal. There are actually plenty of games that do that, it's usually just the factions part that is missing
>>730686528fair
>>730687249Mods are one of the biggest selling points of the game to me.
>>730688202Most players don't even finish the civil war plotline anyways. I never did.
>>730687398>long term players don't use modsI found this hard to believe.
>>730686628it was Vampire's Kiss that taught me the fempires don't have the same effect as malesof course a man wants to give even his blood to a sexy woman who gives him attentionand the ladies look good doing the chewing
>>730686249
>>730686249because it's slop that a certain group of people have been conditioned to enjoy in that specific context. if you try to copy it then it's just slop. if you make it better then it won't be appreciated by the slop lovers as their kind of slop.see also: smash bros, dota
>>730688468The redpill is that male vampires are the same for women
>>730686249>blacked artist Kill yourself
how does she smell?
>>730686568>Retard doesn't know the difference between Historical RPG and Fantasy RPG
>>730688202Enderal is literally a skyrim mod. It has a store page on steam, but it clearly says it's a mod. I guess not that many things were ever published that way so people forget it's a thing.Tainted Grail is pretty cool but it is a smaller scope and kinda low budget game in the end. I'd still recommend playing it through.
>>730686628So this is why twilight was so popular, genderbend twilight when?
>>730686249The origin of Elder Scrolls is a passion project. Simple as. No amount of money can buy cultural legacy. Likewise nobody can copy Ghibli or Pixar. Obsidian's obviously just churning out quick cash grabs because it works for them.
You ever browse /co/ and start to think that what goes on over there is oddly comparable to the degenerate mods you've installed for this game?
>>730690870Stop whining
>>730687249Skyrim is basically a moviegame without mods
>>730692660>You ever browse /co/Honestly, no. What does go on over there?
>>730692872LOTS of shipping, mainly because there's a lot of femanons on that board.
>>730686249>utterlyDon't you mean "udderly". hahaBecause she has huge knockers.
>>730693006Oh, not really but I have had that thought about CRPG threads. So much obsession over romance that they basically become shipping threads. Skyrim has romance but aside from Serana I don't think anyone cares much for itSkyrim is more in the wheelhouse of the "I made a girl PC and spend weeks taking pictures of her" crowd. Like cyberpunk or MMOs.
>stink cloudsKill yourself retard
>>730692812>Skyrim is basically a moviegameYou don't know what that word means.
>>730692212>he doesn't know
need big tiddy goth vampire gf to feed on my blood every day......
>>730692812If you really think Skyrim is a moviegame then it's no wonder why you need your brainrot mods to enjoy anything.
>>730686249Mods and the ability to create modifications make it so.
>>730693372Yes. Everything in base game is limited by plot progression and suffering through profoundly boring quests. Your own decision making or skills just don't matter normally. You can beat it with your eyes closed, exactly like a movie game. And it is a console game. I'm not saying mods fix it either, the game has a shallow core which is impossible to save.
I hate that vampire bitchAll the dlc revolves around her family dramaI don't even understand why the dragonborn doesn't have an option to just kill her
>>730694141Let me repeat myself: if you think Skyrim is basically a moviegame you don't know what that word means.
>>730687398>Normies don't know and if they do don't care, about modsThe only time I've heard people talking about Skyrim while at work at a blue-collar job in the last 5 years was a young 20s telling a guy in his 30s about Wabbajack modlists and the guy being super interested in trying it all. The mod scene isn't some arcane secret. Big tiddy Skyrim mods are as well-known as Overwatch SFMs.
>>730692812>Skyrim is basically a moviegame without modsWrong, skyrim isn't movie game, movie game have cinematic moments, skyrim is theme park tour, you have 3 flavors of dungeon, 4 guild questlines and main quest and every quest in game that can be sumarised "go to location at least half of map away(so yo can waste tim... admire map) and bring oridinary quest item/kill npc who's only purpose in game is to die in quest. It have no substance, everything inside it outside looks and music sucks and every quest is focused on you going to other corner of the map.Oustide intro that is too long and boring there is no cinematic moments in game.>>730687249>Mods are so overrated. The only mods worth using are ones that just add qol or enhance vanilla content. 99.99% of all mods that actually add new content are trash made by retards with horrible taste who make mods because they couldn't cut it as a real game dev.True but by having a lot of mods 1% of actually good mods increase from 10 to 100+ good mods. Skyrim's biggest benefit is easy moddability so you can swap boring quests, npc lacking personality and game systems that all sucks dick for your perfect modded version, you want to turn it into proper rpg? done, you want skyrim to be shooter? done, you want skyrim to be your loli porn game where you play as loli? wish granted!
>>730690870krekkov cares far more about fuckable man ass than whatever BBC fet you have going on rent free
>>730694782>oh yeah, well here's a personal anecdote!That's nice. What's even nicer is Skyrim having sold over 60 million copies as of 2023 meanwhile its single most downloaded mod (SkyUI) having 6 million unique downloads total for Special Edition.
Serana? I hate that stupid Molag Bal dick sucker. I hate her whole entire family and story. I wish I could cut her head off the moment she falls out of that crypt.
>>730686582>Skyrim would be a pretty dog shit game if it didn't get the mod support to save it. No other game gets that support.Skyrim wouldn't have that mod support if it was a dog shit game.
>>730694902Krekkov is an ntrfag
>>730695049>Skyrim wouldn't have that mod support if it was a dog shit game.Mod support is all skyrim have.
>>730688090>I can't cuck the king of rape now can IThrough Talos, all things are possible. Write that down.>inb4 1/3rd Breton
>>730694946CBBE has like 16 million downloads.
>>730695218>yfw 1/3rd Chadton
>>730695298>anon cannot read
>>730694946>supposition based on total sales numbers >using the far less popular SE numbers to try and make a pointYour fucking guessing isn't any more valid anon.>>730695192I think he's done like 3 NTR pieces out of hundreds. That's a drop in the bucket compared to the real NTR artists.
>>730695472>suppositionSkyrim having been played by 60 million people is a fact.>using the far less popular SE numbersSkyUI sits at 5,999,555 for SE, 6,849,114 for LE. Was is a difference of 850k compared with 53 million?>Your guessing isn't any more validBut I'm not guessing, I'm using official statistics
>>730686339Nah, it's woke as fuck and has a shitty gameplayPlus balls hurt gay does not even a sandbox RPG, it was trying to be a CRPG but ended being a cinema-game
>>730694141a moviegame is a game based on a movie you stupid fucking moron
>>730687398There is no vanilla skyrim anymore since LE and SE both inject CC mods into the game and normies do not know how to remove those. Vanilla skyrim hasn't existed since 2016. The same way Bethesda has forced the tv show canon into FO4. Its no longer the same game.
>>730688264games??
>>730687249Why are there so many tech illiterate turdies on /v/ who can't install mods and act smug about playing a objectively worse and shit game?
>>730695213And it wouldn't have that if the base game was bad.
>>730695674>Skyrim having been played by 60 million people is a fact.No, actually.You said it had 60 million sales.
>>730695964Case in point: Saarfield
>>730687249Nah, there are some really good ones floating around like pic related and there are even more 5/10s that are made into 7/10s by merit of them being completely free and highly customizable.
>>730695964Name 1 good thing about skyrim that is good outside music.It simply wasn't complete disaster on technical level like starfield that was more loading screen simulator than game.
>>730695472those are total downloads, not unique. the downloads for the two versions are within spitting distance of each other too. youre double retarded
>>730696000How many of those sales do you believe are repeated, knowing the first 10 million were in the first two months, and the next 20 in the first four years before SE came out? And do you believe that number to be big enough that the non-repeated number can still be rivaled by 7 million? Keep in mind, the point would remain the same: if a man played the game on the 360 then bought it and played it modded on PC, whatever playthroughs he did on the Xbox would've A) still been unmodded and B) still been enjoyed so, as they were for years.The argument presented in >>730686582 was that modding saved Skyrim as a game. The counter argument in >>730687398 stated that the vast majority of people that have played Skyrim ie normies didn't do so with modding, so modding saving the game is absurd because there's dozens of millions of people out there that have played vanilla Skyrim for (almost, if you wanna count Anniversary as modding) 15 years and loved it. Then I presented the data: SkyUI, the single most downloaded mod in Skyrim history, has 6/7 million *UNIQUE* downloads (the ones that matter, as they're the only ones that distinguish between accounts and thus between people vs the same person downloading the mod 20 times over the years) for SE/LE respectively. Compared with 60 million copies of TES5 sold by 2011+12. That's all there is to it.
>>730696069>Name 1 good thing about skyrimIt's not Oblivion.
>>730696164And units sold aren't unique either when skyrim was rereleased 5 or 6 tmes alredy.Not to mention that most players never play games they bought, just impulse buy on sale when it's 75-90% off and never even download it.
>>730696026A shame the creator of this mod is a literal transexual.
>>730687249many are shit yes, however I do like the ones that focus on good stuff. Killing things and loot. So Vicn's mods are good. they got me into the deeper lore of tes. I liked wyrmtooth as well just because its mostly killing stuff.one thing I hate modwise though is mod followers and general npcs. The only good ones are stuff like Follower dialogue expanded that makes a few vanilla npcs followers and gives them a decent amount of extra lines from cut content. shit like Inigo is trash.
>>730696018Exactly>>730696069Atmosphere and art styleThe worldRandom world events/encountersVariety of playstylesStarfield was not a disaster on a technical level at all, it is Bethesda's most stable and polished game ever. Meanwhile Skyrim was an unplayable mess on PS3, where the game's optimisation detrioated the larger your savefile got. Which also never got fixed.
>>730695472One is too many
>>730696314Again: do you believe the number of double dippers can somehow make 60 million go down enough that the 7 million figure rivals it? Keep in mind, that's best case scenario for people whom playing "Skyrim modded" equals playing vanilla Skyrim but with a better PC inventory and that's that. Sirenroot pictured above has 700k downloads. Vigilant has 1 million. Legacy of the Dragonborn has 260k on LE and a less than a million and a half in SE. Again, the game had already sold ten million by December 2011.
>>730696314>And units sold aren't unique either when skyrim was rereleased 5 or 6 tmes alredy.NTA, but Skyrim has only be rereleased once, the Special Edition. Unless you're a retard and consider console ports to be a rerelease.
>>730688043I dunno, but I completely lost interest when I learned Kamelot was not actually in the game. They seriously made a game about King Arthur, and then left out the most important place in his kingdom? I'm sure I'll finish it eventually, but that's actually mind boggling.
>>730696376Anon, you're the biggest faggot I've ever met, but I just shut the fuck up about it and talk about vidya. Why can't you?
>>730696547i was super bummed about that too, but I managed to crawl my way to the ending. act 3 had me on autopilot, felt super unfinished.
>>730696592I just stated a simple fact, why so mad?
>>730696420>Starfield was not a disaster on a technical level at all, it is Bethesda's most stable and polished game ever.Wow it didn't have same launch bugs as skyrim and f4 after additional year in oven bravo.It was disaster on technical level. It's why everything is behind loading screen, they were managable in skyrim because you still had big world oustide loading screen areas like cities,caves and buidlings. In starfield everything is loading screen, even fast travell is 3 separate loading screens. It's absolute disaster on technical level, being dragonborn but without dragons didn't help but game is fucked beyond repair on technical level and had shit preforance, Todd even said "just upgrade your computer bro".
This revisionism where people claim base vanilla Skyrim is not at least a 9/10 game, especially in 2011 is just baffling to me.>b-b-but there's bugs>b-b-but it's not perfectJust stop it. Even today, there aren't any RPGs that come close to its scope and playability that aren't previous games in the series.
>>730686249>stuff like Avowed that's just shitty nostalgia bait with trailers using "WE MADE NEW VEGAS (they didn't)" slogans.Did they? I thought they only did that with The Outer Worlds
>>730696314do you believe that people are rebuying skyrim (potentially without even playing it) at comparable frequency to modfags redownloading skyui?
>>730696689Answer the question.
>>730696827I've probably posted more ITT than you, fren; and you didn't shut up about it, because you told me. It's alright, now you know!
>>730696778>This revisionism where people claim base vanilla Skyrim is not at least a 9/10 game, especially in 2011 is just baffling to me.It had good music and big map but that's all.Combat sucks, magic sucks, stealth and bow sucks slightly less so most people play this way, writting sucks, quests sucks, nothing you do in rpg game matters. This is before we mention bugs.
>>730696773None of that is because of tech, that is all a design issue. Instead of focusing on one large planet, Starfield had you hopping from empty rock to empty rock, looking for shit to do. The game could have zero loading screens and it would still be a disgustingly boring game, because the content is fucking ass.
>>730696420>Starfield was not a disaster on a technical level at allwith bethesda at this point it's hard to tell what is a design decision and what is a technical limitationhowever on the loading screens in starfield, either option is equally terrible.
>>730696026>a lame attempt at zeldavery cool
>>730696946>None of that is because of tech, that is all a design issue. Instead of focusing on one large planetAnon you have one big planet atlantis or something like that, it's 4 hubs separated by loading screens with additional loading screens when you enter buildings. Also entreing your ship is loading screen despite it being loaded on any map anyway, then taking off is another loading screen. It's 100% technical issue because even in places you don't need loading screens like main city they are still there.
A lot of people are stupid and genuinely don't understand what makes TES fun. They're the people who post shit like "I don't want to have to loot every knife and fork and go sell it that's boring and should be cut" and don't understand that the dev mindset that allows every single knife, fork, plate etc. to be lootable is the mindset that makes TES fun as an RPG sandbox. Add onto that that no other dev will provide a toolset that allows easy modding of every single aspect of the game.
>>730696914>I've posted more, but you won't shut up!Literal shitbrain moron. I'm so tired of talking about trannies, but you dipshits keep bringing it up like you're the foulest meangirl cunts in the world's flatscannest middle school. Please fellate a tailpipe.
>>730697256>I've posted moreDirect answer to your question, yes.>but you won't shut up!You complaining about others not shutting up while directly quoting someone, thus not shutting up and continuing the convo, is what I was directly pointing out yes.>starts talking about liberals outta nowhereOh shit, didn't realize you're American. I'm so sorry fren, you have bigger issues than I do. Carry on.
>>730697130That planet is just one of many, it isn't comparable to TES/Fallout having one big map filled with cities/villages. And the ship having a loading screen is because it's separate cell, which is why you can do memeshit like fill it with potatoes. You can complain about "technical issue" but the game remembering actor placement/positioning is one of the good things in Bethesda's games, and are worth something as simple as a loading screen.
>>730697217What's the point of loot? So you can buy better gear? For what? Action? Then you can play a better action game instead. Or for plot purposes? Well the plot kinda sucks too. Skyrim is too ambitious for its own vision. The game owes a debt to its artists.
>>730686249Bethesda was at a comfortable budget level and team size early on where they could be freely creative and yet still have the relative budget to make what were considered big, commercial scope games at the time.Any studio today is either going to have a big budget but be super corpo and churn out some leftoid corposlop that'll either be creatively bankrupt or soulless freakshit, OR they'll be a couple tiny indie devs with soul but no budget to make a Skyrim scope game. Or they'll be both creatively bankrupt and low budget.
>>730696652I was enjoying all the references and the fresh take on Arthurian myth. Dark Arthurian has been done before, but I feel like the mythos is so rarely used that it's okay.The voice acting, dialogue, and story quests past the first area is where you can see it was a budget game. The cracks were really starting to show once I left the Horns of the South. It's all tolerable, but the Kamelot thing was a real let down. Took the wind right out of my sails.
>>730694426Because she's the writer's waifu and you're going to go along with whatever she says like a good bitch even if you're a vampire hunter dead set on killing her kind
>>730695792NO fucking way that purple bitch isn't a modded character. That is hilarious. Glad I didn't buy the slop train
>>730699528He is real and in the game, also can't be killed iirc. I liked BG3 a lot but can't defend that segment, it's just out of place and ugly as all hell.
>>730699528Dude, just check wiki and IMDB, lol
>>730686249starfield is a space game with over 1000 planets, and I not sure why everyone thought it gonna be skyrim in space? beside todd's own dumb quote?
>>730699586>>730700117If BG3 was a real DnD game, many players would call bullshit on the invincible self-insert tranny
>>730700929>many players would call bullshit on the invincible self-insert trannyFunny how saying this without context could refer to multiple different games in recent years lmfao
>>730699586>can't be killed>>730700929>invincibleIs this board only made up of people who hold strong opinions and state "facts" on games they never played?
