Due to the sheer advancements in emulation and modding support, most people choose to download ROMs and get stronger PCs than buying old consoles and discs. Eventually, physical media will die out.
>YOU MUST SPEND HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS ON 25 YEAR OLD GAMESNo.
>>730686676Was this PS2 found at the bottom of a pond?
same company that made ps2 is killing physical mediaall console companies are, to maximize profits they have to otherwise they will earn less than predicted on a sheet
>>730686676Physical media is objectively inferior in every way. Using the PS2 as an example, lets go through a few issues of physical vs digital>PS2 disc drive tends to fail>PS2 loads games slower on a disc drive than if you put a SSD in it and run the games off it>PS2 discs cease to function if they get scratched or rot due to environmental conditions >Having to physically swap which disc is in your console takes a bunch of extra time
Emulation is fine, but you're not actually playing the games. Its like playing chinese bootlegs, its all good as long as you're okay with the fact that you're basically playing a different game, the experience isn't the same.
>>730686676it's dying out because nobody is making it anymore, stop being a dumb sack of niggers.
>>730686676old physical media is a non-renewable resourcewith quality 3d printing, high quality label/manual printing, and low cost PCB manufacturing, making replacements can be done today at a cottage industry scale, but people have a problem with that for some reasonif it's not rotting plastic, it ain't the LeGiTiMaTe to manchildren
>>730686676Physical media is killing itselfSee: 3DS and Switch carts
>>730687192nice cope nostalgia faggot
>>730686676I've lost interest in physical media when I realized how much easier it is to have all my games on PC. Emulation's easy, I have installers for all my games, and I don't have to needlessly play old versions of the games on PS2/PS3.I used to kind of give a shit, but then I realized it's just a waste of space meant to look nice on a shelf. The PC's too versatile so it's hard to care much about physical copies. You don't even get nice manuals with them anymore and they still need to install on the console itself. So why should I care?
>>730686676im okay will scalpers dying horrible deaths
Nope, is just that that >Playstation, Xbox and Nintendo are too retarded to figure out a good business model to sell you old games>Second hand copies have become stupidly expensive>Even if you have the console and the games, it requires either a CRT setup or a retrotinkEmulation is a consequence of this, not the other way around
>>730686910No, worse.A "restoration" youtuber decided to spray the contents of his bowels on it to make it appear in worse shape than it was when he found it
>>730686676buying old games isn't supporting physical media, retard. you're just lining the pockets of ebay reseller. the physical media ship sailed a long time ago.
>>730686676I hope all Physical mediafags have their house burnt down so their collections are reduced to ashes.
>>730687876
>>730688054I'm an extreme nihilist.More suffering = Better world.
>>730686676How about not giving old physical games with shitty insane prices?
>>730686676No physical media will die on its own due to physical decay.
>itt all the broke ass niggaz that cant afford a 20 year old console You could buy a second hand snes rn for 400 bucks with like 20 games, two controllers and a lightgun on ebay... xbox originals are like 20 bucks at value village, same with ps1. Ps2 is little expensive but fucking gamecube niggers are the most out to lunch when i comes to overpricing things
>>730686676Based, fuck hoarder and scalperfags. I'll gladly play my 14tb of emulated ROMs for decades to come.
>>730688126that seems like a very reductionist view of nihilism
I'm not paying 500 USD for a copy of Rule of Rose I don't care what you have to say or what is being killed I'm not doing it so shut the fuck up
>>730687080PS2 was also the worst when it came to not being able to read a disc because of a tiny ass imperfection on the disc or the disc reader. I have no idea why zoomers romanticize the past.
>>730688292I'm a nihilist. It doesn't matter what deeper meaning there is to it.
>>730687876My house flooded from Hurricane Ian three years ago. I saved my Switch but my PS4 didn’t make it. But I would have been beyond furious if I had rare physical games get washed away.
>>730686676Good
>>730686676>buying old consoles and discsok...and this matters why?I already have my old consoles and games. Why do I need yours too?
>>730688329>ZoomersPeople were saying this retarded shit back when the first emulators were coming out in the 90s.
>>730688329Zoomers desperately want the approval of millennials and so think blindly worshipping anything millennials liked or experienced will get them respect.
>>730687571The Retrotink 5x is incredible. Like its actually that good. It isnt "a scam" or "just as good as this $30 piece of dogshit trust me bro its all buzzwords". It's amazing.
>>730688548Zoomers hate millennials because most woke screenwriters ruining classic franchises are millennials.
>>730688680Literally 100% of the time when I've seen this claim made on 4chan the writer in question is always 50 or 60 years old (gen x)
>>730688329As the worlds biggest Xbox simp I can tell you Xbox had the worst drives. Even after the switch to Samsung.
>>730688863Forspoken really shattered the illusion of Hennig's writing prowess.
the hard drive I keep the games on is physical media and I can do whatever the fuck I want with it
>>730688948forspoken was bad on purpose so squeenix could get ESG money source: trust me bro
>>730688902Nah no way
>>730687192By this logic youre also not playing the game if you have a 3rd party controller
>>730688902How many replacement drives per year did you have to buy back when the Xbox was new? If the answer is 0 then it wasn't worse.
>>730686676I kept most of my old consoles, and games. Besides not wanting to lose the saves out of nostalgia, I have no reason to keep them, I never play themIf I want to play a game on them, I can't be bothered to buy a controller to replace the shit ancient one, get a VGA to HDMI adaptor etc, just for it to look shittier and worse than If I just rammed it into an emulator with 3x upscale
>>730686676>download MP3>somewhere in the world a music CD shrivels up and rotsHeh
>>730686676I mean even when emulation wasnt a thing I burned games onto CDsIm also not paying a fuck ton for a copy of vice city stories when its free online
>>730686676I figured this out like 20 years ago. One central gaming device with all my games, instead of many. All my games as digital files on my drive, instead of hundreds of shitty discs and cases. And the only way to do that reliably is the PC. Same shit with books. Having a physical library is a massive pain in the fucking ass. Pirating books and reading them on an e-reader is obviously a better experience.Just don't be a retard and try to go digital on a modern console like a PS4. >>730689223Yes we all did that shit back then. I cracked my exe's so I wouldn't have to insert the disc again.
>>730686676>physical media will die out>because people are emulating>not because the companies no longer produce said physical mediakys retard
>>730687770what the fuck are you being serious?
In le current year there really is no reason not to emulate, you get an objectively better experience and its free. I don't understand the appeal to fancy upscaling devices that cost hundreds of dollars just to have a worse experience than what hooking up any laptop or pc to your tv will give you. i remember playing gamecube games on my school laptop like 11 years ago literally anyone can emulate any console they want
>>730686676How awful. I'll try to spare a thought for all of those poor speculative market fags who aggressively priced everyone else out of collecting retro games.
>>730689376At the end of the day it's just pussies who are afraid to pirate. They need everything to be "official" or it's invalid. Probably why they care so much about achievements as well. And why they care so much about have an iPhone instead of literally anything else.
>The Xbox will balance it's self.-Trustin Judeau
>>730686676What's stopping sony and nintendo from making the ps1/ps2/psp/gba/ds/3ds again and re-releasing games for them? Now's the perfect time. The music industry had no problem going back to vinyl.
if you're not playing the game on original hardware...you didn't beat the gamesimple as
>>730686676I can't even perceive emulator input lag. Feels good to not shell out hundreds for plastic, just to experience long load times and hardware failure.
being able to use the superior xbox controller with PS games is kino
>>730689467Yes, that schizoid idea encompasses the entirety of vintage games.
Yeah I emulated Gotcha Force and it was a lot of fun, fuck those niggers on ebay.
>>730689795because they can release them on their proprietary subscription service and make you pay for them forever
>>730686676Tell the retro stores to stop selling PS2 games at 80 dollars.
so why not just backup roms on solid state drives? Pretty sure you can pack the entire PS2, Xbox, Xbox 360 and PS3 library in a 3TB SSDYou own your games then
>>730686676>Eventually, physical media will die out.Physical media is going to die regardless of what people do to try and keep it alive. Chips are going to fail, eventually all cartridges are going to lose their game data so you're gonna have to rely on a 1:1 rom dump or brand new boards to keep it alive introducing a Ship of Theseus problem (Something we're already seeing with Game Boy and 3DS), discs are going to rot or delaminate, screens are going to permanently die with no 1:1 replacement because no one makes them anymore, etc.As it is we're already having to rely on random Chinese factories making specialist replacement parts and westerners going to great lengths to copy things like the N64 Expansion Pack or the Chromatic. We still do not have Vita 1000 OLED replacement screens.Physical media in general always came with a due date, it's just 50-80 years from when you bought it. People who succeed us will not be able to play with things we grew up with. Hell, people in our lifetime likely won't be able to play a majority of games from gen 6 back without emulation. Emulation and piracy is the only way any of the gaming industry survives in the long run just due to entropy. The physical boxes and original disks/cartridges will be more of a collector's item to keep on a shelf than something usable assuming it's not ewaste.
>>730689376The only valid reason and that's only because you can make money out of it is speedrunning, and not really, many games and comunities are acepting emulation now
>>730690757Vidya preservation not being taken as seriously as other media preservation efforts like in music and film always bothered me. You can still easily find and enjoy movies and music from over one hundred years ago. Meanwhile even PS3/360/Wii games are getting harder to find.
>>730686676The consoles themselves aren't really losing popularity but buying the games are since you can just use flashcarts or modded consoles loaded with roms. Software PC emulation isn't really the best though. It's the midwit's option for playing retro.
>>730690376PS3 alone would take 9TB
>>730690376>>730691221you could just barely fit every PS2 game on a 3TB drive though. excluding games that weren't released in the US.
>>730691101most games are preserved. vast majority of it just isn't available through legal avenues.
>>730686676I dunno. One of my coworkers makes a decent side-gig repairing controllers and cartridges. Dude even makes customs of both for any who want it. I appreciate some people are keeping the physical side of things going.
>>730687192You can never cross the same river twice. Close enough is good enough.
the inetrnet in this old stuff will die off with millenials Gen A won't want to play Super Mario bros 3
>>730686676People who actually want to PLAY old games just download them and play them.People who want to COLLECT them buy all that shit and let it rot on their shelf, occasionally playing a game so they can make a cool instagram post.
>>730687571>Playstation, Xbox and Nintendo are too retarded to figure out a good business model to sell you old gamesBecause there is no good business model to sell you old games and be better than the free alternative. You will always be offering a worse experience for the end user, the best you can offer them is a subpar experience. The free alternative allows>Fast forward, rewind, and frame-by-frame.>Save states.>Controller remapping and using literally anything you want, even Donkey Konga bongos or literal trumpets.>Upscaling and downscaling.>Shaders of every flavor imaginable.>Hacks that allow you to force things like widescreen for games that never intended to have it, color correction, removal of the texture wobble in PS1 games, 60 FPS, NTSC modes, etc.>Texture replacement.>Native cheat functionality.>The ability to emulate NFC figures on demand.>RetroAchievements if you want that.>Memory viewers and injection.>Native screenshots of the game with all your upscaling and hacks applied or native resolution screenshots with no bells and whistles.and that's just the emulation side, not even the game access side which gives you>Romhacks.>Translation patches.>Every single variant of the game released in every single region.>Prototypes and betas.The only (and I do mean only) emulated collection I can think of that offers something that emulation doesn't is the Mega Man Battle Network Collection as it runs a bunch of the e-Reader and Chip Gate content natively and it hooks into the game letting you change it on the fly. If you really want to be pedantic there's also control stick movement in Croc and Tomb Raider. There is simply zero way to compete with unofficial emulation for any company. Even if they fork the emulator and do nothing else they are still at a disadvantage for not having everything else I listed on the game access side.
>>730686676> Eventually, physical media will die out.It's already dead.Only consoles still use physical media.Digital share in the console market is increasing to the point there're digital only consoles.Consoles have the smallest gaming market share, and this share keeps shrinking.Physical media are toys for kids nowadays.
>>730686676In the case of retro games this is a good thing. Why should I pay some hoarder hundreds of dollars for a game, hundreds of dollars for a compatible television, when he had absolutely nothing to do with the production or manufacture of any of those objects? There's no way to buy a copy of F-Zero GX that actually benefits the people who developed the game, so people may as well just play it for free.
>>730692548>There's no way to buy a copy of F-Zero GX that actually benefits the people who developed the game, so people may as well just play it for free.By this logic anyone reselling anything shouldn't be able to get any money whatsoever simply because the original person who made that item for them isn't gaining any money from the transaction. At the end of the day they bought the copy of the game and are one of the people who has legal access to it. If you legally want to own the game instead of pirate it that's the method to do so and the caveats for doing things morally and legally.We are not at a point yet where it's impossible to obtain these things because they're straight up just dead with obvious exceptions of course, so it's still piracy at the end of the day which most people would consider morally bankrupt.
Here is your physical media
>>730689082You couldn't get them. Really the only fix was a mod chip, an 80 wire ide cable and a bigger hard drive. Fat PS2s were pretty bad when it came to blue discs and PS1 games, but nothing like the early Thompson drives. Those started dying before Halo 2 was out.
>>730686676brownest thread on /v/ right now
I am NOT spending 400 dollars on chrono trigger. I will not spend 700 dollars on mega man x3. I sure as hell am never spending 1200 burger bucks on the sega saturn version of mega man 8.Blame scalpers and assholes who ruined the retro market.
>>730686676Those poor resellers, they can't afford to eat unless people buy their overpriced, worn-out plastic :(
>>730690376I thought this is what everyone did? You just curate every console one by one over time from the ground up, that way you don't waste space on games you're not even interested in.
>makes discs obsolete
>>730692882>morally bankruptmorals are not a defined value so i'll ignore this moot pointbut to address the rest of your post, if super smash bros melee was sold at $29.99 brand new on release, why should i pay a secondhand reseller $50 or more for a disc-only copy of the game? because it has a higher perceived value by the reseller?i can already get CRT box sets for a fraction of the price they were once sold at in stores, but why should i pay more than MSRP for melee if what i want to do is keep up with the game and practice for tournament play?at this point it's more logical than not to pirate the ISO
>>730686676No, greedy AAA studios are for phasing it out. next gen will likely be digital only.emulation keeps old hardware and most games cheap.
>>730686676>4k internal resolution while also having access to 60fps patches and HD texture packsfree>shitty 420p composite output that looks like shit on everything except a 250 pound CRT on overpriced disks that will eventually degrade over time$1000+ dollarstake your pick
>>730692882It is not morally upright to let someone hoard a product and then charge insane prices. Especially if said product can be copied infinitely.>B B BUT THE HECKIN LAWAs if anyone should care about retards in congress who get financial kickbacks from disney and comcast, so laws can benefit big corps.
>>730687192who genuinely gives a fuckwhy do you always attempt to create a gatekeep that doesn't really mean anything, you're all scalpers and collectors trying to play people for suckers, aren't you
>>730687192faggot
>>730694243I personally don't think piracy is immoral for games that aren't in production anymore, especially things that literally never hit store shelves like prototypes or leaked betas, but the general public views it as immoral in general simply because it's against the law so you have to keep that in mind when it comes to this discussion.>because it has a higher perceived value by the reseller?Because it is not in production anymore. This by definition raises the price of the object. It is also a sought after item in general which raises the price on top of that. Simple supply and demand. If I want Shantae: Pirate's Curse on the Switch I have to pay $500 because it was a limited run, never reprinted, and was an early LRG release so it was a short supply run as well.CRTs are not as in demand anymore. It is a very small niche that even cares about it (Autists mostly) and we nowadays have adapter cables or even FPGA solutions to sidestep ever needing them so older TVs are not necessary anymore. Retro gaming is a much larger niche than CRTs can even hope to be and it changes the entire pricing dynamic.I'm agreeing with you here, I think the prices are insane for what it is and have no issue with emulation or piracy, but you can apply your same thought process to basically anything not in production that ends up costing more with the original creator not getting kickbacks including old cars and random furniture.
>>730688329Zoomers grew up struggling to get their PS2s read their discs and seeing that shitty pink screen or circling lights
>>730694374A company should still be paid for their work, in all fairness. However, imo you should be able to pirate older versions of games if you at least paid for modern ports of said game. Like if you enjoy the snes version (or ds version) of chrono trigger, you should be allowed to pirate them if you bought the pc version, which is the same game but with better graphics. Why would you? Compatibility reasons, of course.
>>730690757> The physical boxes and original disks/cartridges will be more of a collector's item to keep on a shelfAlready happening. I’ve seen old console boxes in good condition on sale for over $100 in used game stores. No console, just the cardboard box.
>>730694656Your example of cars and furniture isn't applicable because you can't magically make infinite copies of them.
>>730686676Nah, emu trannies and the fact that most cool things don't work properly means it'll always be the secondary or poor fag option. I'm not against it, but it's funny seeing people convince themselves playing on an emu is the same if not better than on hardware. At some point just admit you don't even like these games or systems. You like the idea of them.
>>730694954Sure, but that wasn't the original comparison. The original comparison was that the original creators aren't getting kickbacks from the item in general (>>730692548).
>>730695021He still has a point. Not to mention that, even if you buy these games at absurd prices, they will still break. You will have to pirate them anyway to keep playing them.
>>730686676Emulation is good. It's subscription service garbage that's the real problem.
>>730695148>Not to mention that, even if you buy these games at absurd prices, they will still break.I mean yeah, everything physical is going to do that. It's an inevitability, but the idea is until that happens people view it as immoral because we're not at that point yet in reality. I'm not paying $1200 to a hoarder for a game though, people who do that are genuinely touched in the head.
>>730694656people buy secondhand appliances and vehicles because they're much cheaper than MSRP and are known to last for a very long time, they are effectively necessary to live in this worldvideo games in the same vein as books or movies - media you consumeif something is being sold secondhand it's normally because the seller needs to clear up space or they need the money - not to make a profitit's only things like figurines, video games, comics, movies, etc. where you see markups on the secondhand market - it's not that people shouldn't make money off selling secondhand media, the original reply's point was why should the consumer pay more than MSRP for digitally distributed media when the creators see none of that money im glad we agree on the topic, but your logic falls apart trying to apply it to anything that isn't deemed a collector's item
>>730686676Who cares about this besides manbaby collectors of old plastic?
>>730689292Watching physical media cucks collectively lose their mind over CD rot has been invigorating.
>>730688902Not when you go up against a PS2 Slim. Those pieces of shit stop working if you just breathe on them.
>>730695679>the original reply's point was why should the consumer pay more than MSRP for digitally distributed media when the creators see none of that moneyLike I said, it's because there's a demand for it. If there wasn't they wouldn't be able to push up the price. Obviously there's bad apples to deal with who solely want to do it to squeeze as much juice as they can, but in general it's just simple economics at play. You want an item, the item is not common anymore, and someone is offering it.
>>730695772well of course that's the seller's reason for putting it up for that much, but realistically it's much more efficient to download the files for the aforementioned media, even if you already have the hardware to use it with
>>730686676oh no
>>730686676>Emulation is killing physical mediaAnd?Pretty much anything prior to PS3/360 has pretty good emulation and its always improving. Once PS3 and 360 are well emulated, there wont be a reason to need physical media anymore because everything after that is already on PC anyway.
