IT WILL SAVE THE MMO GENRE
>>730689060How badly are they going to simplify jobs even further?
>>730689060Will 8.0 delete Dawntrail from the game? If not then it won't save shit.
>>730689241Wuk is too iconic
Not unless the entire board of directors is replaced with younger people.XIV is fucking done. It's mismanaged. It's used to divert revenue outwards.Nearly none of the budget makes it back into itself.And you can tell given how much re-used assets you see. The systems are unimaginative.The entire game from the crafting, gathering, combat, and story have hit a low point.It didn't have to be this way, either. The monthly subscription model simply doesn't make sense anymore.If they want to retain players, they can't continue without a F2P model. The game is simply not worth paying a monthly fee for.Expansions, sure. I'll fork over a few dozen bucks. But not to play a game I already paid for.Fuck that shit. Especially when they don't respect my time as a player, time-gating shit. And let's not pretend like the rewards for clearing content is rewarding, either.The game would rather fucking die than give you an edge over other faggots. Yoshida is old and senile. He's out of touch. Has been for a while now.
Oh, really? Have they said that they're adding an Anti-cheat or actually making GMs ban hackers with 8.0?No? Oh. Then I guess it isn't saved. PvP is ruined thanks to scripters, and Yoshi-P couldn't care less, evidently.
>>730689241Pretty much how I feel about it too.>don't want to go through Dawntrail to get to current expansion>don't want to reward their bullshit by purchasing a skipBetter to take my money and do something else with it.
>>730689141>MachinistLearns Safety Bit, target party member can not die for 10 seconds.Filler GCD now functions like in PVP.Learns Reload, which activates a fast 6-hit combo with no casting time.Drill now inflicts a vuln up.Chainsaw now has a chance to instantly kill non-boss enemies.Wildfire can now be used anytime Hypercharge is activated.Flamethrower now inflicts a DoT. When used during Wildfire the potency of Wildfire is doubled.Learns Bishop Autoturret. May be made to pulse shields or MP for its 20 second duration. Completely separate from Rook/Queen.Learns Battery Charge, grants 5000 of the MCH's MP to target party member.Learns Forcefield, ground targetable damage reduction zone. Absorbs a certain amount of damage before breaking. If broken, the limit gauge increases.>ViperDual Wield and Twinblade are now proper stances.Dual Wield stance is for setting your buffs. Twinblade is for gaining gauge.In Dual Wield 5 gauge may be spent to add a poison DoT to the final hit of your combo. Each final hit has its own DoT.Learns Kiss of the Viper, in Twinblade stance hitting a poisoned target causes an extra hit for the full potency of the DoT.Learns Dyne, an alternate gauge spender for Twinblade stance. GCD hits are slower, but can be used at a range. Weave Zidane's Dyne abilities and finish with Grand Lethal. Tidal Flame inflicts a burn DoT and Grand Lethal inflicts a vuln up.
>>730689141forced pvp combo, preasu rooka folwald to it
>>730690354>Drill now inflicts a vuln up.>Chainsaw now has a chance to instantly kill non-boss enemies.okay stop, this was supposed to be a bad thing but you're making me hope they actually do it
>>730690175Their previous selling point has really killed the game now that they have a huge stinker of an expansionI've gotten back into WoW after long hiatuses without much issue because the leveling to relevant content usually doesn't take long and you're not forced to sit through some long storyline you don't care aboutI played FFXIV until Endwalker and was satisfied with how that ended and now with Dawntrail being shit I probably won't ever sub again, even if the next expansion is better
>>730690660It's not supposed to be bad, those are my kino ideas.
>>730689060Idk, we'll see when Fanfest comes around
>>730690354and then they make the machinist AoE combo at only being worth using on 4+ targets.
>>730689060they didn't fire kate did they
>>730690781They did
>>730690827proof?
>>730689141Ninja will have mudras removed.
>>730690781There's no definitive proof yet, but it looks likely they didPaul was introduced as the leadKate congratulated PaulEven when Koji mentioned "the person he passed the torch to" Kate wasn't mentionedShe never talks about FFXIV anymore on Bluesky and is still posting political crapSo I'd learn more on she's gone.
Jobs are bloated. They really need to trim them down.
>>730691167Trim down their core damage abilities and fill the space with unique niche skills.
>>730691167Nah, bloat is fine. Jobs are just too samey. The 2 minute rotation is killing the game.
>>730691167Healers are bloated with ogcds
>>730689060Unless it's a 2.0-tier rebuild, it's not going to save even XIV itself. Even if you overlook how bad the last expansion was in terms of story and its reception, the game right now has so many layers of stale calcified shit in its core systems, that some surface-level cosmetic "overhauls" aren't going to do much.
how's the new raid tier? i really don't want to raid
>>730690672Yeah they really couldn't have picked a worse time to shit in the stew. I already didn't pick up Dawntrail because Endwalker felt like a good time to take a really long break and work on my backlog. At some point I realized I didn't really want to come back, and then Dawntrail launched and kinda cemented it. Job homogenization really primed this game for its current crisis, as my personal enjoyment and dedication to the game waned when they started simplifying and even entirely changing some jobs (e.g. Summoner) to be faceroll. Now the problem is even if they walk back on that stuff and make the jobs more interesting at all levels of play, doing low level content is like being punished at this point, if they solved this issue there's still Dawntrail sitting there as a bitter pill/humiliation ritual you would have to go through. I'm not sure what it would take for them to get me back short of delivering a viera to my house to suck me off. Giving all returning players that did not play Dawntrail a free expansion skip would go a LONG way, but I don't think they even understand their players anymore to recognize how much of a goodwill gesture that would be. It would also be admitting that they fucked up which they won't ever do.
>>730689241Dawntrails story did suckbut I thought the gameplay was alright? Did people hate the fights too?
>>730691890Jobs are the worst they've ever been. A few cool fights don't matter when most of the game feels like shit to play.
>>730691943>cool fightssauch as?
>>730691890>but I thought the gameplay was alright?Literally nothing has changed, why do you coping retards think job rotations changing slightly makes the game feel different? It's literally "this is my first MMO ever but I want to pretend I've been playing them for the past 20 years" cope and it's obvious to everyone.
>>730692005M5S, M6S, M10S
>>730690354>Dual Wield and Twinblade are now proper stancesI still cannot believe they added a stance job that doesn't have stances
They can learn a lot from Runescape to be honest desu neBiggest priorities for them IMO are netcode, combat rework and a complete review of the reward structure of everything. Not a single person ever cares if you do any high difficulty or super niche content, it's all just extra fluff for if someone gets bored of one portion of the game now
>>730689060they said that about 7.0 as well
>>730691662I played FF14 like once a year, possibly more, for going through the story content but Dawntrail is hard filtering me on doing it this time around. And the fact that I would have to play through it short of a free skip is exactly the reason why I won't touch 14 again anytime soon.Stormblood was only "bad" because it had to compare to heavensward. Dawntrail is pure shit that doesn't need a comparison to see that.
>>730692203>stance job with no stances>viper job with no poisons
>>730692226>Biggest priorities for them IMO area whole new game.
>>7306892418,0 will be a continuation of Dawntrail
>>730692398Making a new MMO is the only thing they can do to save the company, but ironically, it's the only thing they can't do due to the resource cost of keeping XIV in maintenance mode. It's too much of a burden while making a new game, compared to XI needing relatively nothing to keep in maintenance mode.
doesn't matter what they do the damage to the story and setting are done, there's no going back
>>730691550I'm on the second fight, it's fun as shit unfortunately
>>730692398that's about the only way to salvage the terrible ps3 spaghetti code the game runs on.
8PointOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.iunno, never played it, but i felt some kind of hype
>>730692558Oh fuck off, calling shadowbringers shit just makes you a contrarian.
I played XIV for 10 years, but in 2026, why would I pay $18 per month for a single game when the same price gets me game pass on PS5 or Xbox?
>>730692859The only thing worse than a Dawntrail apologist is a console faggot
I really wonder how new players enjoy this game now, I joined in Heavesward and the combat was already boring in ARR, I started a new char on Endwalker and the combat was insufferable until Stormblood.
>>730689141They'll bring over WoWs Single-button/The PVP combo button and/or eliminate Macro-lag. All ST buffs are party wide.
>>730693041They really need to change it up. I keep on pitching everywhere, they need to have a separate moveset for raiding vs casual play. Raiding is the standard "meta" build around 2-min like how it is now, while a separate PvE action moveset is for casual play and is customizable.Every single decision with how jobs function in PvE is because of raiding having the "2-min meta". It trickles down when it shouldn't need to. It's time for them to disassociate raiding into it's own category of actions like they did with PvP.
>>730692203>>730692381They should have dropped the Viper bullshit tied to Tural, called it Trancer, tied it to Alexandria and base it off of Zidane
just a reminder that there are people so bad at the game they can't clear a msq trial with npcs
>>730693165That sounds like a terrible idea for people who want to go from casual to the first parts of hard content (i.e. extreme).
The Alexandria stuff is what ruined Dawntrail, if they had stuck to their guns and had the entire 7.0 MSQ be the Succession Contest things would have turned out better.
>>730693210>running newest dungeon from 7.4 in roulette>other Dragoon like me>cool Dragoon duo let's fucking GOOOO>they just spam Doomspike over and over again>don't use buffs>spend 3 GCDs just spamming off globals without GCDsPeople have no idea how horrible the average player isThese people have the right to drive vehicles in the real world sometimes, think about that
>>730693320The problem was that the other half was a stamp rally with no stakes, where a moron learns real life 101. It was dull.
>>730693320>Wanting 3 more zones of "I love my country that I know nothing about! Have a taco"
>>730693320To the contrary, Alexandria was the only interesting part of Dawntrail and it's what the devs wanted to focus onTural acted as a ball and chain dragging the good parts down, it was a consultancy agency wet dream to make Tural a preachy shitty story to project onto playersI still firmly believe that "Eliminator" was going to be the trial boss instead of Zoraal or whoever the fuck I forget because the story was so bad
>>730693350I run ACT and am familiar enough with most classes and high-end Raid runs to know exactly how bad the average player is...I regret not running Raids any later than Wednesday because all the good Raiders are done by then.I've seen DPS performing below the fucking healers at 8k. I've seen dps tying with Tanks at 16k This is when the average is between 23 and 30k, and excellent non-aoe pull dps can be 33-35k.Learn your goddamn rotations. It doesn't need to be 35k but christ people at least do passable 20k and not be outperformed by the fucking tank. There are tools and sites to analyze your ACT logs and teach you what you fucked up on so you can learn.
>Ape off of FF9 for half the setting because you can't be fucked coming up with names for anything or writing original music>Don't actually inherit any of the good aspects of FF9's world or characters
>>730693552They don't even have to be raider tier, I just expect people to play their role/job with at least some effortDPS below tanks or even Healers is insane and I don't understand how it's even possible some days
I'm so good at this game holy shit I'm insane
>>730689060Is this shit still subscription based?
>>730689060the only thing that can save it is timeskip milf ryne and gaia
>>730693210just a reminder that that group of people make up the majority of subscribers and make every MMO possible to exist.
>>730693320>>730693478Both ideas have potential and both messed up the landing.The succession and LE SCION INTERNAL CONFLICT was butched by being a stamp valley, and even the Anatagonist just comes off as a moron when he tries to downplay Garlemald as incompetents making it at best a "Save from themselves" plot.Alexandria messed up because their Soul Magic Tech was actually kinda cool even if it was monstrous, as seen in the Arcadion and over all the Endless thing jived badly.
>>730693210>People couldn't beat In From The Cold even on super easy mode and got the only kino part of Endwalker nerfed to the groundTragic
>>730692558Wrong opinion.
I feel like something has been missing from these threads recently. Can't put my finger on what that is though...
Why should I bother with XIV? Give me reasons.
>>730694501if you have lots of time to kill it's a pretty neat theme park for FF related memberberries and some really great music.
THEY CALL YOU POTATO
>>730694501>Story's mostly pretty decent>Music's great>A lot of boss fights with some fun mechanics
>>730694501it's fun, cool fashion, comfy minigames (crafting, tetra master, treasure hunt, fishing, random shit), cool fights and monsterst. hasn't played since Shadowniggers.
>>730693291It would only apply to current Savage/Ultimate. maybe the core is the same, but certain abilities are customizable/changeable. But current raids have them locked to a specific one?
>>730694501its a genuinely good final fantasy story with excellent music and presentation
>>7306891411-button combos and removing AoE skills in favor of all skills being AoE instead.
>>730693781I /kneel, I couldn't make it past M11S. At least after all these years I got to experience what week 1 progging is like for once (a fucking mess).I'm probably quitting the game.
>DragoonJump is now a GCD attack on a 20 second cooldown. 50% chance to trigger Double Jump which allows you to repeat the attack with doubled potency. Mirage Dive now follows up from Jump and Double Jump only, can not be stored. Now looks like a phantom (You) repeating the jump.Piercing Talon can now be held down to charge it up. Each three seconds of charge time doubles the potency. Animation powers up with charge time. After 10 seconds of charge time it becomes Spear of the Fury which is just a really satisfying Anor Londo spear throw with lots of screen shake for feeling cool.Learns Leap, an OGCD targeted movement skill with a 2 second cooldown and 30 yalm range.Learns Super Jump, sends the DRG into the air for 10 seconds. Increases evasion by 50% and reduces damage by 10% while airborne. After 10 seconds the DRG crashes down for massive damage. Gierskogul directly upgrades into Nastrond. Both cost MP and can be spammed.Life Surge is renamed to Lancet. Restores equivalent HP and MP to damage dealt and grants a shield equivalent to 10% of damage dealt.
>>730695312aoe skills doesn't make sense on this game right now, the amount of dungeons you only need to press two buttons and then three is insane.
>>730695497They should just bring back Heavensward or Shadowbringers Dragoon
>>730695497>Putting another GCD under RNGMeleefags would literally firebomb Square
>>730689060Dead pozzslop for trannies
