This is a really good RPG, it's way better than Expedition 33
>>730707658This but unironically and not baiting.
>>730707658This but ironically and baiting.
>>730707658a study needs to be done on why so many people think e33 is some kind of JRPG savior>no cities except lumiere (which you can't even explore)>exactly one inhabited village, you can't do anything there anyway>every other level is a copypaste soulslike dungeon without any soulslike elements, covered in random thoughtless ue5 graphics>overworld is barren, 3 horribly unfun minigames are all it offers outside of dungeons>nothing is revisited, levels are discarded after you go through them. there's more things to do in a dark souls 3 level, never mind a city from the classic JRPGs.>bare minimal worldbuilding. I don't know what people eat, whether they drive cars or ride horses>even character building is minimal. do you know what piano pieces verso likes?>because the world is not compelling at all, it's ok to destroy it. also, everything is just painted anyway, so it doesn't matter. when maelle wants to preserve her painted world of ariamis, it's because she likes gustave, not because the world is worth saving or anything.>the music is incredibly mid too with only 2 or 3 good tracks
>>730707658Many true jrpg fans believe this
it has such a generic tranime lookwhat is fun about it? is the story cool?
>>730707658It mogged both ff7 rebirth and coe 33. If you disagree you might be from Latin America.
>>730708139nigga wrote a tiktok meme sound in his babble
>>730708132Yes, it tries to address non trivial political issues and is probably the best game to do so since deus ex or mgs2.
>>730707658no romance no buy
>>730708227That's rebirth's audience for you
Do we really need this thread 24/7?
its only good for eupha
>>730707658how much of this game is just railroading you to the next 30 minute unskippable dialogue scene like persona 5? that game felt like a tutorial all the way to the end.
I got the demo, played for three hours before giving up. The world seems cool and the art design is great but the gameplay (when not being disrupted by a new cutscene every twelve minutes) is boring, the most bog standard jrpg combat ever with no thought put into it.Don't get how people could subject themselves to this
>>730707658No romance? hahaha nope
I started playing a couple weeks ago and it's fun.Still pisses me off there's no romance the game feels lower quality because of it and directly responsible for it having no staying power.
>>730708006It's simple. A lot of people are terminally ICK'D when it comes to anime stuff. Either through personal preference or general hatred of japan (which is a factual thing in the western gaming industry). You put the entire E33 package in an anime skin and it would not have been sucked off like it was.
>>730708006I think E33 might be a JRPG savior not because it does anything too new or amazingly, but rather because it forces publishers and developers to acknowledge the reality that turn based, mechanically focused RPG games (I.E: 90% of all JRPGs) never stopped being popular and maybe, just MAYBE, we can go back to series like Final Fantasy embracing the genre they helped pioneer. But a good lesson never stopped Squeenix from learning the wrong thing
>>730708420>Long cutscenesIf you enjoyed any game that at least tries to seriously talk about politics, technology, war etc. instead of just being a braindead good guy vs bad guy gauntlet fight, this shouldn't be a problem, the cutscenes themselves are interesting and part of the reward. The long cutscenes are part of the charm of mgs games for example.
>>730708454>the gameplay (when not being disrupted by a new cutscene every twelve minutes) is boring, the most bog standard jrpg combat ever with no thought put into itoh you mean just like E33actually no it's not even comparable, metaphor gives you jobs, synthesis, more than 1 piece of equipment/armor
>>730708132>what is fun about it?It plays basically the same as Persona games so if you like those you might call it fun. There are differences but they're negligible.>is the story cool?Not at all. It's the most predictable garbage full of insufferable retards. The few interesting things in the setting all go nowhere in favour of beating the player over the head some more with "actually discrimination is le bad and everybody should just be happy forever" tripe.
>>730708790>beating the player over the head some more with "actually discrimination is le bad and everybody should just be happy forever" tripe.fundamentally incorrect. are you talking about FF16?
>>730708789>see criticism of Metaphor>YEAH BUT E33 IS BADCool.
>>730708840FF16's plot literally names the jew in comparison to metaphor
>>730708789I never played E33 lol
>>730707658>persona rehash but somehow worseIt's quite possibly the worst JRPG made in the past 10 years. You should be ashamed for even making this thread. Honestly, you're lucky I don't know where you live.
>>730708840You're going to try to pretend like "everyone is essentially the same, we're all just human deep down" wasn't a major plot point? That you aren't inundated with sidestories that heavyhandedly present race hatred as baseless and horrible? That everyone just getting along isn't core to the MC's election campaign?
Metaphor was a masterpiecehttps://youtu.be/FqlLD7COCw4
>>730709263https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLjYPVa69q8
Metaphor WON
>>730709401HulkenSEXXX
>>730709168metaphor is centered on politics and discusses many viewpoints and problems.there are people who want to kill all the rich to save the poor, or kill the weak, or kill heretics, or kill other tribes, or even kill anyone who hasn't looksmaxxed like they did. they have supporters just like irl, showing democracy is flawed, but also, everyone has a point, and it brings many positives. moreover, there are serious problems with the status quo, so just trying to prevent people from changing things is a flawed mindset as well.it talks about how discrimination is a problem because it enforces tribalism which makes reasonable participatory mass politics and democracy impossible. there are many ethnicities and they are all assholes toward each other.most games half ass all this stuff, they show one discriminated group and one oppressor group and that's it.
>>730709452If only it relayed this in an interesting way
>>730708132Anime website.
>>730709495You might be retarded
>>730708132The man who has no taste
Heismay best broI cried a lot during his SL
>>730709452Showing 2 dominant oppressor groups, 3 filthy undesirable groups and 1 just kinda nothing group that nobody really cares about one way or the other is still half assing it.They present all those other ideas and make the characters putting them forward total one-note caricatures solely for you to easily refute them.
>>730709540Did you mean to include the most generic, boring motivational speech line possible?
>>730709495it's already in the top percentile of games that can address political issues seriously and fairly.think how many fans bioshock has, and it's literally just: libertarianism bad, communism bad, conservative america bad, I don't stand for anythingff16 had a way bigger budget, it promised to be some vidya game of thrones, but the actual story is just: there's this group of people that are oppressed and mistreated by everyone everywhere for no reason but they are without exception morally perfect people. everyone else sucks, go kill god.ff7: is ecoterrorism justified? could corporations take over the world? who cares, let's abandon that plot, go fight the edgy guy with the katana. ff10: just a parable of an ancient japanese story of how a bureaucrat went around destroying primitive cults with facts and logic.games like nier don't actually discuss politics, they put in philosophy 101 headscratchers and should be dismissed for presenting hypothetical scenarios that will never happen. e33 does exactly this btw.then you have even more braindead shit like tlou2's bigot sandwiches or whatever.I would say mgs2, mgs3 are up there but they more so focus on the intersection of politics and technology and war. it's a separate area of responsibility.
>>730709873Get filtered
>>730708006I think the real issue why I think E33 is a bad JRPG is that the parry / dodge mechanic completely invalidates the actual characters / combat systems. The picto system does let you create interesting builds, but you really don't need to worry about it since the game is pretty intentionally and obviously designed around not taking damage in combat.
>>730709925I don't play video games for their stories or philosophical arguments, I play them to have fun. I read books for stories and philosophy.
I tried to play it and quit after 2 hours. Battles are boring, and the RACISM got old real quick, felt like the writer watched CNN and decided to put their view of the world into the game.
>>730710127It didn't even really feel like they were putting their own view, they were just putting the safest possible view that would be suitable for small children with no critical thinking skills.
>>730709873That's the whole game. It's quite ambitious with how much it touches on, but the dialogue and conversations seem like they were written by chatGPT. No one expresses any personality when they talk, outside of their one token quirk, and besides Bas and Del you don't really see anybody relationships between any two characters. It isn't really about that, from what I can tell, it's more about the discourse and what's being said then who is saying it and how. You would expect different perhaps, given how prominently "relationships" play a role, but they aren't really relationships, they are more like monologues, where each character exposits a particular viewpoint then comes to terms with some brief internal conflict.
>>730707658you are really living in a anime bubble if you can't see the problem with metaphor. I think the problem is quite obvious, in that the tradition of japanese slop story telling it doesn't allow any nuance or ambiguity in the end when it was revealed there is no actual nuance to louis; he's just a blatantly evil, genocidal, and power grabbing. I do think E33 story has a lot of problems, and the story of act 3 fundamentally clashes in nasty ways with acts 1 and 2, but it's at least trying to get at something thematic in the ways that fatlus games are fundamentally incapable of doing in catering to their manchild audience.
>>730710064good for youits clear that there's a large audience for serious games that discuss complex topics while having good gameplay. even fromsoft games, which mostly focus on prepare to le die difficulty, have many people deeply interested in the lore.
>>730710283>but it's at least trying to get at something thematicit's a philosophy 101 gotcha that means nothing>what if we all lived in le painting, would you destroy the painted world for your real life familyI'm sure we can also make a game about what if your mom, your wife and your kids were all drowning, who would you save.
Being unable to switch archetype/purse owner mid-battle killed my enjoyment. SMTV was the better purchase.
>generic RPG combat>anime characters discussing politics and racismsounds horrible t b h
my biggest problem at the start was visualsI like to enable dlss in games for better fps and to enjoy proper anti-aliasing and it didnt support it.Then on youtube reviews they say the game has ps3 level graphics all the way through. I dont understand why a major publisher releases that kinda game at full price but I guess anime fans are used to less?
>>730710461>t. thinks moby dick is about a guy hunting a whale
>>730708572>But a good lesson never stopped Squeenix from learning the wrong thingmetaphor already mogged rebirth at the game awards in 2024. we'll see if squeenix learned their lesson from that.what message does e33 send? people will slurp up a barebones RPG if it has ue5 graphics? square already knows that.
>>730708006expedition 33 needs to be exposed for what it is: france's black myth wukong. a barebones mid game made with default ue5 graphics that shows their home country can make AAA games too. then paid streamers and influencers to shill it everywhere.
>>730710481It isFirst you have to play ~8hours before the game even opens up.Then you start to think maybe it gets better except it never does.If you are a teenager or in your early twenties and have consumed a low amount of media its a good story.If you don't fall into this category is a badly paced slog repeating talking points that are shallow for anyone familiar with the subject
>>730707658This but unironically.
>J"RPG"...
>>730707658This is such a forgettable game, I had to turn off my brain most of the time while watching the cutscenes and reading the dialogues. The only redeeming qualities are the characters and music, the gameplay is fine too. Also the red haired elf has a pancake ass and the graphics are PS3 tier, 7/10
>>730713458>This is such a forgettable game, I had to turn off my brain most of the time while watching the cutscenes and reading the dialogues.Which FF are you talking about? Or are you talking about E33
>>730713546See? Even you can only remember FF and E33
this game was discussed for a month then completely forgotten. fotm zoomer sl0p
>>730713636I don't remember it being discussed at all, I only remember Rebirth being discussed in Metaphor threads
>>730713636I'll forever remember it for embarrassing ff7 stillbirth and hamaguchi at the game awardsI played it because I was curious why it won so many, but now I can see it deserves it
well there we go
>>730713767This is the only kind of rebirth "discussion" on this board
>>730707658Interesting how many threads on /v/ compares Metaphor to E33 instead of Persona 5 despite trying to convince themselves Metaphor was a flop.
>>730707658I like them both.Better than Rebirth though.
>>730707658I'm replaying it right now and man I forgot just how much the quality nose dives after the Dragon Temple. It really feels like they ran out of budget at that point and needed to just speed along to the end everything feels so unbelievably rushed. Why the fuck was the Mage Academy not it's own whole dungeon?
Metaphor was the only game I've played that I feel actually used the calander system smartly. By that I obviously mean making it trivial and allowing you to do literally everything in a single playthrough without the need for minmaxing or guide using. I hated the calander in Persona 5 cause what the fuck is hte point in having all this optional shit to do if I don't have any fucking time to do it cause I have to do every confidant and max all my social stats? Honestly they should just remove the time limits entirely and let you endlessly have days to do shit.
>>730717261The calendar systems were never designed around a single blind playthrough, they're built for getting everything in NG+ when you have no need to grind the stats. It's why S.Links that are gated behind stats will be available well before you can possibly meet the requirement.The thing is simply that nobody was going to want to play Metaphor again.
>>730717414I played through Metaphor twice. I am never going to play through Persona 5 again. It's fucking 50% longer than Metaphor is and twice as slow paced.
Metaphor has childish writing
>>730707658i liked the part when lewis came out as gay
Better pacingBetter combat Infinitely better dialogue, visuals and story
>>730708139Didn't e33 mog metaphor though
>>730713546If your only argument is seethe about other games than means this game is shit anon
>Atlustroon/Falcomfag still seething no one bought their gamesLMAO
>>730718506Let's be honest, if expedition or rebirth shit didn't exist no one would talk about this game which is more used as a weapon than as its own gameIt's literally pic related
>>730718515Oi Falcom>>>>>>>>Atlus
>>730718453Yes
>>730707658>Had to add Expedition 33 so the thread won't dieSad
>>730708572Nothing will ever help Square-Enix learn when it comes to Final Fantasy.>didn't learn from getting mogged by persona and metaphor>didn't learn from the fact that dragon quest (which THE SAME COMPANY MAKES) literally still does wellAnd they won't learn from E33 either. Final Fantasy will never be saved.
>>730709452>Japan talking about racismLMAO
>>730709540>all the different races come together while someone says the most generic motivational words everThis looks like shit, and I say this as a power-of-friendship anime-enjoyer.
>>730718847They should learn from trails 1st which has an amazing combat >Persona I like it but it's popular because of the vn and social dating sims or else SMTV would have been more popular than p5
>>730707658Game is amazing for like 8-12 hours, then you get the realization that the racism, politics and classism is just flavor, it's not deep at all and feels like the writers just googled shit, copy pasted one line, then said yeah this is good enough.The actual game game is fun enough though, and the music is great, so you can play this like a SMT game where you don't care about the story. BUT I SURE HOPE GOOD DUNGEONS WASN'T YOUR FAVORITE PART OF THESE KINDA GAMES, god they are so bad and boring holy shit.
>>730707658I've never even played E33 but I know that statement is bullshit.
>>730721640I'd say actually saying that it's not possible to just remove all hatred and animosity but rather people should learn to accept their differences even if it means they can't fully get along instantly makes Metaphor's take on racism more mature than most actual people.
>>730708006It's really pretty simple. Western media, 'journalists', and publishers hate Japan and they rail against anything coming out of it. For example, take the recent Brown Dust 2 censorship thing. There's western games infinitely more controversial on Steam, but they single out the Japanese ones constantly and deny them access to the Steam storefront. So when the west makes a Japanese style game, it's all the sudden the greatest thing ever because the west did it.
>>730711525Black Myth was actually good though. Issue was it should have been 10 chapters with a sequence saving Fourth Sister.
>>730709564persona 5 called it wants its designs back
>>730710260>written by chatGPTprobably more like DeepL
>>730708006>Mid musicCould've lead with that to save me from reading the rest of your bait. Especially when compared to Metaphor, which seemingly has less than 10 tracks total.>it's because she likes gustave, not because the world is worth saving or anythingIt's about Verso, you absolute retard.
>>730707658lolno it is pretty mediocre
>Dustborn but tranime :O
>>730707658a study needs to be done on why so many people think Metaphor is some kind of JRPG savior>Same match the weakness combat that has even less depth than Pokémon that's not remotely engaging>Easy to over-level, allowing you to skip fights on the overworld outright.>Writing so ham-fisted it's impossible to take its racism/xenophobic themes seriously>No post-game content (No, 3 generic dragon bosses in copy-pasted tower dungeons you've already been to don't count)>Poor soundtrack outside the 2 battle themes, which grow old pretty fast>Villain's evil for the sake of being evil and defeated by the power of friendship in the end, inexplicably ending all racism>Typical anime trope writing, which consists of party members talking in circles 90% of the time>Incredibly rushed final act>Boring charactersHulky can only carry a game so hard, and it wasn't that far.
>>730708006>>the music is incredibly mid too with only 2 or 3 good tracksand that's why you are a retard.
>>730724150Hulk was dogshit>oh no that food looks yucky but she says YUM YUM>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>730718847personally i think they just decided that final fantasy identity doesn't have anything to do with turn based combat anymore, that's just how the older games happen to be
>>730724405In their defense some of the best games under the FF label were either not turn-based or at least not the same kind of turn-based as 1-10. Even games that were not very good like Dirge of Cerberus would have been even worse with turn-based combat instead.
>>730724150What's impressive is 3 games with exactly the same garbage combat system being well liked here (persona 5, smt and this crap)
>>730724946That's because SMT is good
less interesting gameplay mechanic, significantly less interesting character building, slightly worse characters. A femboy retard MC.
>>730708006HOLY TRVTH NVKE
>>730724150Based. E33 was a fucking REVELATION compared to Metaslop.
>>730707658Atlus' swing at making a japan-flavored DEI game.>>730708006Industry plant made by ubislop nepos.
>>730707658>denuvo>runs like shit on deck even though it looks like ps2 gamecould have been a much more popular game if fatlus took things more seriously.
>>730708006>when maelle wants to preserve her painted world of ariamis, it's because she likes gustave, not because the world is worth saving or anything.YES, MAELLE IS MENTALLY UNSTABLE 16 YO WITH INSANE GUILT COMPLEX BECAUSE HER BROTHER DIED, SHE DOESN"T CARE ABOUT THIS WORLD SHE ONLY CARES ABOUT VERSO + her family in that world(Gustave, Emma and Sophie) because they let her forget her real life
